1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,453 Speaker 1: from News Talks. 3 00:00:11,453 --> 00:00:14,853 Speaker 2: A'd be thank you very much for your feedback. Jack 4 00:00:14,933 --> 00:00:18,213 Speaker 2: being anonymous allows Banksy to provide political commentary through his 5 00:00:18,333 --> 00:00:21,333 Speaker 2: art that many of us believe but our political representatives 6 00:00:21,373 --> 00:00:23,493 Speaker 2: are too afraid to say. Phil has sent me a 7 00:00:23,493 --> 00:00:26,173 Speaker 2: note to say, Jack, I not only walked past the 8 00:00:26,253 --> 00:00:30,213 Speaker 2: stall selling Banksy paintings in New York, but I also 9 00:00:30,293 --> 00:00:32,733 Speaker 2: berated the old guy selling them and suggested he gets 10 00:00:32,733 --> 00:00:34,773 Speaker 2: some paint a brush and paint his own art instead 11 00:00:34,773 --> 00:00:36,133 Speaker 2: of someone else off. 12 00:00:38,933 --> 00:00:39,293 Speaker 3: Phil. 13 00:00:40,053 --> 00:00:45,453 Speaker 2: Ah, that's that I mean, if that's truefil that is devastating. 14 00:00:46,493 --> 00:00:48,733 Speaker 2: That is devastating, because the thing was it was during 15 00:00:48,733 --> 00:00:51,693 Speaker 2: a Banksy was doing an artist's residency in New York 16 00:00:51,733 --> 00:00:54,013 Speaker 2: at the time, so there was a bit of hype 17 00:00:54,173 --> 00:00:55,853 Speaker 2: because every day he would do kind of a new 18 00:00:55,853 --> 00:00:58,213 Speaker 2: work or a new work would be revealed around the city. 19 00:00:59,493 --> 00:01:02,293 Speaker 2: And apparently the works that he was selling had little 20 00:01:02,333 --> 00:01:06,733 Speaker 2: barcodes on them, so you could ultimately authenticate them. One 21 00:01:06,733 --> 00:01:09,333 Speaker 2: should purchase them. But of course, you know, you see 22 00:01:09,333 --> 00:01:12,773 Speaker 2: those images everywhere, don't you, replicated in bootleg stores, are 23 00:01:12,813 --> 00:01:15,813 Speaker 2: on T shirts. However, many millions of times over and 24 00:01:16,093 --> 00:01:17,573 Speaker 2: you don't really think about it. You don't think, oh, 25 00:01:17,613 --> 00:01:20,853 Speaker 2: this could be the real thing, which is the perfect 26 00:01:20,933 --> 00:01:24,253 Speaker 2: example of him challenging what we value. Why is a 27 00:01:24,253 --> 00:01:27,933 Speaker 2: bootleg version of a Banksy print worth so much less 28 00:01:28,093 --> 00:01:28,893 Speaker 2: than the real deal? 29 00:01:29,453 --> 00:01:29,693 Speaker 3: Jack. 30 00:01:30,013 --> 00:01:32,373 Speaker 2: Everyone also wanted to know who the stig from top 31 00:01:32,453 --> 00:01:34,773 Speaker 2: Gear was as well, and that ended up remaining a 32 00:01:34,773 --> 00:01:37,173 Speaker 2: secret until the show ended. They did, of course do 33 00:01:37,253 --> 00:01:39,453 Speaker 2: that reveal with Michael Schumacher under the helmet, but that 34 00:01:39,493 --> 00:01:40,853 Speaker 2: was just employed to get him on the show. Yeah, 35 00:01:40,893 --> 00:01:42,653 Speaker 2: that was actually a great That was a great moment. 36 00:01:42,693 --> 00:01:44,773 Speaker 2: There are a few examples I think with secrecy. So 37 00:01:44,893 --> 00:01:47,173 Speaker 2: I was thinking about it, you have none of them, 38 00:01:47,213 --> 00:01:48,853 Speaker 2: I think is quite as good as Banksy, but you 39 00:01:48,933 --> 00:01:54,773 Speaker 2: had the American author Thomas Pinchin. Is it that Italian 40 00:01:54,853 --> 00:01:57,693 Speaker 2: author as well? Is it? Is it Elaine or Alan 41 00:01:57,773 --> 00:02:03,733 Speaker 2: or Faranti? Daft Punk whom I love the French musicians. 42 00:02:03,773 --> 00:02:06,133 Speaker 2: I mean we know their identities, but they always wear 43 00:02:06,133 --> 00:02:10,573 Speaker 2: hols and has never really photographed without them. I mean, yeah, 44 00:02:10,773 --> 00:02:12,973 Speaker 2: there are there are examples I think of people trying 45 00:02:12,973 --> 00:02:14,493 Speaker 2: to be secret. I mean that what's his name? 46 00:02:14,653 --> 00:02:14,813 Speaker 3: Is it? 47 00:02:14,893 --> 00:02:17,693 Speaker 2: A tokey hockey Morshall. I can't remember his name. That 48 00:02:17,733 --> 00:02:21,453 Speaker 2: the guy who or the pseudonym of the person who 49 00:02:21,693 --> 00:02:25,533 Speaker 2: founded bitcoin created bitcoin. We don't, I think know their 50 00:02:25,933 --> 00:02:28,813 Speaker 2: identity just yet hasn't been confirmed just yet anyway. Ninety 51 00:02:28,813 --> 00:02:30,213 Speaker 2: two ninety two is the text number if you want 52 00:02:30,213 --> 00:02:31,813 Speaker 2: to send us a message. Jacket News too, said b 53 00:02:31,933 --> 00:02:34,813 Speaker 2: dot co dot nz is the email address. Kevin Milne 54 00:02:34,893 --> 00:02:36,653 Speaker 2: is with us this morning, Kunter, Kevin. 55 00:02:36,893 --> 00:02:38,613 Speaker 3: Kyoto, Jack, Welcome to Wellington. 56 00:02:39,133 --> 00:02:41,453 Speaker 2: Thank you. Do you think if you were do you think, Kevin, 57 00:02:41,493 --> 00:02:43,933 Speaker 2: if you'd been in New York walking past the stall 58 00:02:44,253 --> 00:02:46,173 Speaker 2: with Banksy prints, that you would have thought they were 59 00:02:46,173 --> 00:02:47,773 Speaker 2: the real deal? Or would you have just assumed that 60 00:02:47,813 --> 00:02:48,773 Speaker 2: they were a bootleg version? 61 00:02:49,493 --> 00:02:51,973 Speaker 3: And I admire film for coming out so honestly. 62 00:02:52,693 --> 00:02:55,093 Speaker 2: Yeah, so do I. I and my film for coming 63 00:02:55,133 --> 00:02:59,213 Speaker 2: out honestly, and for Phil having the temerity to berate 64 00:02:59,333 --> 00:03:01,133 Speaker 2: the break the person. 65 00:03:01,293 --> 00:03:04,053 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, no, I could see myself doing that too, 66 00:03:04,093 --> 00:03:07,253 Speaker 3: as a matter of fact, yeah, giving the I had time. 67 00:03:08,173 --> 00:03:09,933 Speaker 3: Did you go near it? No? 68 00:03:09,933 --> 00:03:13,013 Speaker 2: No I didn't see it. No, No I didn't see it. Thankfully, 69 00:03:13,053 --> 00:03:16,773 Speaker 2: I think, I think, honestly, if I if I'm being 70 00:03:16,773 --> 00:03:19,853 Speaker 2: one hundred percent honest, shamefully, I think I would have 71 00:03:19,933 --> 00:03:22,093 Speaker 2: just walked past and assumed that they were fake as well. 72 00:03:22,693 --> 00:03:25,173 Speaker 2: And you know, if I would like to think they 73 00:03:25,253 --> 00:03:27,813 Speaker 2: had the kind of the where with all and the 74 00:03:27,853 --> 00:03:30,693 Speaker 2: wits to work out what was going on and think, 75 00:03:30,733 --> 00:03:32,173 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I'm going to buy all of these, 76 00:03:32,213 --> 00:03:35,453 Speaker 2: But no, sadly that wasn't the case. But Kevin, you 77 00:03:35,453 --> 00:03:37,853 Speaker 2: want to talk about the influence that fathers can have 78 00:03:38,013 --> 00:03:38,693 Speaker 2: on their sons. 79 00:03:38,733 --> 00:03:41,813 Speaker 3: This morning, Yeah, it was my birthday during the week Jack, 80 00:03:41,893 --> 00:03:45,893 Speaker 3: nothing special seventy seven, but very much on my mind 81 00:03:46,133 --> 00:03:49,853 Speaker 3: was my father. My birthday has also the anniversary of him, 82 00:03:50,173 --> 00:03:54,333 Speaker 3: my dad's death. He died suddenly on my fifteenth birthday. 83 00:03:54,973 --> 00:03:58,933 Speaker 3: Something came to mind this birthday. I knew my father 84 00:03:59,093 --> 00:04:03,093 Speaker 3: for fifteen years, and I've now lived without him for 85 00:04:03,213 --> 00:04:08,653 Speaker 3: over four times that sixty years. Yet he remains so close. 86 00:04:09,413 --> 00:04:13,453 Speaker 3: What a phenomenal bond there usually is between kids and 87 00:04:13,533 --> 00:04:15,893 Speaker 3: their parents. It's not like I saw an awful lot 88 00:04:15,973 --> 00:04:19,893 Speaker 3: of Dad. He was heavily involved in work in various organizations. 89 00:04:20,253 --> 00:04:22,453 Speaker 3: But that made the time I did spend with them 90 00:04:22,453 --> 00:04:25,453 Speaker 3: more precious, like when he got me to work with him, 91 00:04:26,173 --> 00:04:29,213 Speaker 3: when he took me to my first rugby matches at 92 00:04:29,253 --> 00:04:34,013 Speaker 3: Lancaster Park. I was an academic disaster at secondary school, 93 00:04:34,013 --> 00:04:37,533 Speaker 3: but dad never lectured me. Over forty years later, when 94 00:04:37,533 --> 00:04:40,133 Speaker 3: I was made an officer of the New Zealand Order 95 00:04:40,173 --> 00:04:44,373 Speaker 3: of Merit, I had his photo in my pocket. I've 96 00:04:44,413 --> 00:04:47,213 Speaker 3: been thinking a lot about fathers and sons this week, 97 00:04:47,453 --> 00:04:52,213 Speaker 3: having watched Louis Therow's just release documentary about the online 98 00:04:52,293 --> 00:04:58,173 Speaker 3: world of ultra masculine influences is called Inside the Mano Sphere. 99 00:04:58,813 --> 00:05:04,293 Speaker 3: It explores the impact of truly awful influences like hs, Tinki, 100 00:05:04,413 --> 00:05:11,133 Speaker 3: Toki and Sneako on young men's views about masculinity, mail empowerment, 101 00:05:11,613 --> 00:05:15,093 Speaker 3: how to treat women. It's a hard watch at times 102 00:05:15,253 --> 00:05:19,453 Speaker 3: you'll want to turn off the TV, but I recommend it. 103 00:05:19,453 --> 00:05:23,453 Speaker 3: It's important we see what our kids are seeing. If 104 00:05:23,493 --> 00:05:25,933 Speaker 3: anything will convince you there needs to be some sort 105 00:05:25,973 --> 00:05:29,613 Speaker 3: of social media ban on young teens, which up to 106 00:05:29,653 --> 00:05:35,013 Speaker 3: now I've been against, it'll be this Netflix documentary Jack. 107 00:05:35,493 --> 00:05:38,773 Speaker 3: The best influencer any boy can have if he's lucky, 108 00:05:39,373 --> 00:05:43,213 Speaker 3: is surely his father, not some creep with money and 109 00:05:43,333 --> 00:05:45,093 Speaker 3: muscle from the Manisphere. 110 00:05:46,213 --> 00:05:49,533 Speaker 2: Yeah. I watched it this week as well. Kevin after 111 00:05:50,093 --> 00:05:54,213 Speaker 2: Carl's recommendation in our screen time segment this time last Saturday, 112 00:05:54,333 --> 00:05:56,173 Speaker 2: I thought, I've really got to catch up with Louis 113 00:05:56,173 --> 00:05:59,973 Speaker 2: Theroux and check out his investigation into the manisphere. I mean, 114 00:05:59,973 --> 00:06:03,213 Speaker 2: it was kind of classic Luis throu and that he's 115 00:06:03,293 --> 00:06:07,413 Speaker 2: very gently allowing his subjects to reve feel their true character. 116 00:06:07,853 --> 00:06:09,973 Speaker 2: And I don't think we're giving too much away. Perhaps 117 00:06:09,973 --> 00:06:13,653 Speaker 2: we are, but one of the sort of consistent things 118 00:06:13,653 --> 00:06:17,293 Speaker 2: that all of these and you're write quite loathsome individuals, 119 00:06:18,693 --> 00:06:20,613 Speaker 2: at least they sort of presented themselves in quite a 120 00:06:20,613 --> 00:06:23,973 Speaker 2: loathsome way. And one of the things they all had 121 00:06:24,013 --> 00:06:27,933 Speaker 2: in common is that all come from homes in pretty 122 00:06:28,013 --> 00:06:32,133 Speaker 2: unhappy childhoods, right, and several of them didn't have didn't 123 00:06:32,133 --> 00:06:33,933 Speaker 2: have fathers on the scene and that kind of thing 124 00:06:34,333 --> 00:06:36,573 Speaker 2: at all in their lives, or had you know, quite 125 00:06:36,573 --> 00:06:40,053 Speaker 2: abusive parents, and that it was the sort of shed 126 00:06:40,133 --> 00:06:42,773 Speaker 2: experience they had. So I thought that was really really 127 00:06:42,813 --> 00:06:44,693 Speaker 2: telling actually in very sense. 128 00:06:45,213 --> 00:06:48,693 Speaker 3: Yes, worth having a look. I think, because you know, 129 00:06:48,813 --> 00:06:53,413 Speaker 3: we parents, particularly older guys like me, tend to just say, oh, well, 130 00:06:53,493 --> 00:06:55,253 Speaker 3: you know, this is all the rubbish that you get 131 00:06:55,293 --> 00:06:59,013 Speaker 3: online these days, but it's not rubbish. In the sense 132 00:06:59,093 --> 00:07:05,253 Speaker 3: that it's extremely influential, like these guys are attracting huge numbers, 133 00:07:05,573 --> 00:07:10,453 Speaker 3: making four out of at a young man and yeah, 134 00:07:10,533 --> 00:07:13,093 Speaker 3: so I think this is definitely worth seeing. 135 00:07:13,453 --> 00:07:15,733 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there is a challenge in it too, 136 00:07:15,813 --> 00:07:18,293 Speaker 2: like you know, and watching it, I kept on thinking, 137 00:07:18,373 --> 00:07:22,493 Speaker 2: you know, who, how do I make sure my boys 138 00:07:22,573 --> 00:07:25,413 Speaker 2: have good male role models? You know that it feels 139 00:07:25,413 --> 00:07:27,733 Speaker 2: like we're sort of in an age where, especially for 140 00:07:27,933 --> 00:07:30,813 Speaker 2: young men, there is you know a lot of them 141 00:07:30,813 --> 00:07:34,333 Speaker 2: are kind of questioning their place and actually providing them 142 00:07:34,333 --> 00:07:36,493 Speaker 2: with really really good role models and showing them what 143 00:07:36,533 --> 00:07:38,853 Speaker 2: good masculinity is I think is really important as well. 144 00:07:38,893 --> 00:07:41,533 Speaker 2: I thank you, Kevin, absolutely, have a great weekend, and 145 00:07:41,573 --> 00:07:43,613 Speaker 2: we will catch you again very soon. Kevin Miln with 146 00:07:43,693 --> 00:07:45,893 Speaker 2: us this morning. Jack, what if there's more than one Banksy? 147 00:07:46,213 --> 00:07:48,973 Speaker 2: Anyone can make a stencil, says Garth. Totally true, Garth. 148 00:07:49,053 --> 00:07:52,053 Speaker 2: I think there is this like that you can kind 149 00:07:52,053 --> 00:07:54,813 Speaker 2: of recognize as humor, though you can kind of you 150 00:07:54,853 --> 00:07:57,573 Speaker 2: can just there's something about his work that you can recognize. 151 00:07:57,613 --> 00:08:01,613 Speaker 2: But I'm sure that Banksy himself isn't the only one 152 00:08:01,653 --> 00:08:05,653 Speaker 2: who's been stenciling walls. I suspect that Banks He's got 153 00:08:05,653 --> 00:08:08,893 Speaker 2: a few staff men who've probably signed very complex NDAs. 154 00:08:09,453 --> 00:08:11,933 Speaker 2: Phil has texted back to say it's true. Yeah, I promise. 155 00:08:11,973 --> 00:08:14,933 Speaker 2: I walked right past that stall with the Banksy prints 156 00:08:14,973 --> 00:08:17,613 Speaker 2: in New York. I wore out two pairs of shoes 157 00:08:17,773 --> 00:08:19,973 Speaker 2: just from kicking myself, and Dean to send me a 158 00:08:20,013 --> 00:08:22,213 Speaker 2: note to say, I'm vainly trying to remember the last 159 00:08:22,293 --> 00:08:26,013 Speaker 2: great living artist. I suspect it was Salvador Daly. Vision 160 00:08:26,053 --> 00:08:28,333 Speaker 2: and technique you couldn't get out of a spray can. 161 00:08:28,773 --> 00:08:31,293 Speaker 2: Banksy is no doubt a wonderful piece of marketing, but 162 00:08:31,333 --> 00:08:33,573 Speaker 2: I doubt in fifty years anyone will remember him for 163 00:08:33,573 --> 00:08:36,453 Speaker 2: the quality of his work. I did read the Ruyter's article, 164 00:08:36,493 --> 00:08:40,693 Speaker 2: and afterwards I thought, who cares? Amusingly, the shredded print 165 00:08:40,893 --> 00:08:43,933 Speaker 2: is now worth much more than it was when entire. 166 00:08:44,653 --> 00:08:47,213 Speaker 2: That's exactly right, Dean, it is it's worth. I think 167 00:08:47,213 --> 00:08:49,933 Speaker 2: it's worth like ten times more than it was when 168 00:08:49,973 --> 00:08:51,213 Speaker 2: it was a single piece. 169 00:08:51,293 --> 00:08:51,853 Speaker 3: But I don't know. 170 00:08:52,413 --> 00:08:55,573 Speaker 2: I feel like banks he might endure. It certainly is 171 00:08:55,613 --> 00:08:58,813 Speaker 2: the sort of being at the being at the vanguard 172 00:08:58,893 --> 00:09:04,533 Speaker 2: of graffiti street art, right. I think I think he'll 173 00:09:04,533 --> 00:09:06,293 Speaker 2: be recognized in that sense, but thank you for your bet. 174 00:09:07,053 --> 00:09:10,173 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 175 00:09:10,253 --> 00:09:13,093 Speaker 1: to News Talks at B from nine am Saturday, or 176 00:09:13,133 --> 00:09:15,053 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio