1 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:12,013 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talks at B. 2 00:00:12,413 --> 00:00:16,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,813 --> 00:00:19,813 Speaker 1: It's time for all the attitude, all the opinion, all 4 00:00:19,853 --> 00:00:24,933 Speaker 1: the information, all the debates of this now the Layton 5 00:00:25,053 --> 00:00:27,733 Speaker 1: Smith Podcast powered by News Talks it B. 6 00:00:28,213 --> 00:00:30,973 Speaker 2: Welcome to Podcasts two hundred and forty eight for July 7 00:00:31,093 --> 00:00:35,533 Speaker 2: twenty four, twenty twenty four. Ramish the Curve is a 8 00:00:35,573 --> 00:00:39,653 Speaker 2: familiar name on this podcast. His history is pretty well known. 9 00:00:40,053 --> 00:00:44,773 Speaker 2: Professor at Otago for a lengthy period, then Australian National University, Canberra, 10 00:00:46,173 --> 00:00:50,533 Speaker 2: time at the United Nations, including as Assistant Secretary General 11 00:00:51,053 --> 00:00:54,933 Speaker 2: and a profound author, and there's many more accolades. At 12 00:00:54,933 --> 00:00:58,453 Speaker 2: the beginning of the discussion that we have we worked 13 00:00:58,493 --> 00:01:02,373 Speaker 2: our way through so much of relevance, beginning with the latest, 14 00:01:02,413 --> 00:01:05,573 Speaker 2: well almost the latest in US politics, hard to keep 15 00:01:05,653 --> 00:01:10,653 Speaker 2: up other world matters, including dangers of a centralized digitized world, 16 00:01:11,293 --> 00:01:17,293 Speaker 2: cash and cbdc's free speech wokeness. We called time at 17 00:01:17,293 --> 00:01:21,333 Speaker 2: eighty minutes, and I've chosen to split the discussion over 18 00:01:21,413 --> 00:01:25,613 Speaker 2: two weeks. Over two weeks podcast so two forty eight 19 00:01:25,853 --> 00:01:28,373 Speaker 2: is part one. Now, I have no doubt it falls 20 00:01:28,373 --> 00:01:32,493 Speaker 2: into the category of one of the best. After the 21 00:01:32,493 --> 00:01:35,933 Speaker 2: mail Room, I've included what is a lengthy piece, an 22 00:01:36,013 --> 00:01:40,973 Speaker 2: article that's highly relevant to believers in democracy, freedom, independence. 23 00:01:41,653 --> 00:01:48,333 Speaker 2: Actually it's actually it's relevant to everyone. Really, one man's 24 00:01:48,373 --> 00:01:51,213 Speaker 2: battle with a suppression will cover it for the moment. 25 00:01:51,613 --> 00:01:54,893 Speaker 2: It also has a connection with Oliver Hartwitch's column on 26 00:01:54,973 --> 00:01:59,453 Speaker 2: the New Zealand Initiative website. Europe is now on its 27 00:01:59,573 --> 00:02:07,293 Speaker 2: own a connection because both involve Europe, specifically Germany. Now, 28 00:02:07,333 --> 00:02:10,773 Speaker 2: a couple of things in passing just before we get 29 00:02:10,773 --> 00:02:15,213 Speaker 2: into Ramesh the Kur there is an individual who's causing 30 00:02:15,453 --> 00:02:20,173 Speaker 2: a great deal of shall we say, agitation with practically 31 00:02:20,213 --> 00:02:22,573 Speaker 2: all the population, well those who are aware of it. 32 00:02:23,213 --> 00:02:26,693 Speaker 2: This individual is a member of Parliament and shouldn't be. 33 00:02:27,093 --> 00:02:29,653 Speaker 2: This individual is sitting on the back seat and collecting 34 00:02:29,933 --> 00:02:33,533 Speaker 2: full salary, which she apparently is entitled to as long 35 00:02:33,573 --> 00:02:35,653 Speaker 2: as she stays there for the next two and a 36 00:02:35,693 --> 00:02:38,573 Speaker 2: half years. Now there are people who are blaming other 37 00:02:38,613 --> 00:02:42,693 Speaker 2: people and trying to trying to decide who's responsible for 38 00:02:42,733 --> 00:02:46,573 Speaker 2: this situation. And the answer is there's one thing that's 39 00:02:46,693 --> 00:02:51,253 Speaker 2: responsible for it, and it's called MMP. And MMP has 40 00:02:51,733 --> 00:02:55,053 Speaker 2: wrought all sorts of issues over the years. It's something 41 00:02:55,053 --> 00:02:59,013 Speaker 2: that we should dump yesterday. But it won't happen, of course, 42 00:02:59,053 --> 00:03:02,133 Speaker 2: because it's too difficult, and I suppose we have to 43 00:03:02,173 --> 00:03:07,053 Speaker 2: live with it. But it's failings showed themselves occasionally, and 44 00:03:07,093 --> 00:03:08,893 Speaker 2: this is one of them and one of the worst. 45 00:03:09,173 --> 00:03:11,573 Speaker 2: There are all sorts of adjectives I could use to 46 00:03:11,573 --> 00:03:14,053 Speaker 2: describe this person, but I'll leave that for you to 47 00:03:14,213 --> 00:03:17,093 Speaker 2: fill in some spare time with the other one is 48 00:03:17,133 --> 00:03:19,533 Speaker 2: the other one I want to mention is something that 49 00:03:21,133 --> 00:03:26,693 Speaker 2: is relevant elsewhere but also of interest to us. The 50 00:03:26,813 --> 00:03:29,253 Speaker 2: chances are very high that you've never heard of this 51 00:03:29,453 --> 00:03:33,093 Speaker 2: individual whose name is Tina Peters. 52 00:03:33,813 --> 00:03:35,013 Speaker 3: Who was Tina Peters? 53 00:03:35,493 --> 00:03:39,093 Speaker 2: Well, she was the election clerk at Mesa or Mesa, 54 00:03:39,093 --> 00:03:43,733 Speaker 2: whichever you want, Mesa County of Colorado at the twenty 55 00:03:43,813 --> 00:03:47,893 Speaker 2: twenty election. And she's looking at twenty years in jail. 56 00:03:48,253 --> 00:03:52,733 Speaker 2: Why because in the election that mattered, she decided that 57 00:03:52,773 --> 00:03:57,933 Speaker 2: she would retain records of voting. Now, I have no 58 00:03:58,053 --> 00:04:01,493 Speaker 2: idea of any further details except that this story broke 59 00:04:01,613 --> 00:04:04,693 Speaker 2: just a few minutes ago while I was recording, and 60 00:04:04,773 --> 00:04:07,133 Speaker 2: it came up on my phone. So I had a 61 00:04:07,173 --> 00:04:09,053 Speaker 2: quick look at it, and I thought I'll throw this 62 00:04:09,133 --> 00:04:13,773 Speaker 2: in for good measure because we have experienced, all of 63 00:04:13,853 --> 00:04:17,613 Speaker 2: us have experienced this trauma that came out of the 64 00:04:18,293 --> 00:04:21,613 Speaker 2: twenty twenty election and the twenty two election as well, 65 00:04:22,093 --> 00:04:27,013 Speaker 2: but with voting machines and all sorts of claims and 66 00:04:27,733 --> 00:04:32,053 Speaker 2: counterclaims and megabucks being paid out in lawsuits, etc. It 67 00:04:32,093 --> 00:04:35,173 Speaker 2: gained an awful lot of attention. And the question still 68 00:04:35,213 --> 00:04:39,973 Speaker 2: hangs in the air. Was the twenty twenty election corrupt? 69 00:04:40,653 --> 00:04:43,733 Speaker 2: I know that it was, but was it corrupt enough 70 00:04:43,773 --> 00:04:47,893 Speaker 2: to swing the result? It's something we don't know. I 71 00:04:47,893 --> 00:04:51,173 Speaker 2: don't know, nobody knows, but you can have a guess. Anyway, 72 00:04:51,253 --> 00:04:54,853 Speaker 2: this story just broke and I thought I'd throw it 73 00:04:54,893 --> 00:04:58,133 Speaker 2: in because if it's true, and I have no idea 74 00:04:58,213 --> 00:05:03,733 Speaker 2: as to its truthfulness, came up on X then there 75 00:05:03,813 --> 00:05:06,973 Speaker 2: could be all sorts of repercussions. And I just find 76 00:05:07,013 --> 00:05:11,253 Speaker 2: that interesting or a tacit your way now in just 77 00:05:11,293 --> 00:05:23,093 Speaker 2: a moment, rameshtheku. 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Equasin 95 00:06:27,613 --> 00:06:30,693 Speaker 2: is a premium, high grade fish and evening primrose oil 96 00:06:31,013 --> 00:06:33,853 Speaker 2: to be taken in addition to a healthy diet and 97 00:06:34,053 --> 00:06:37,693 Speaker 2: is only available from pharmacies and health stores. Always read 98 00:06:37,693 --> 00:06:41,253 Speaker 2: the label and users directed, and if symptoms persist, seeing 99 00:06:41,293 --> 00:07:04,853 Speaker 2: your healthcare professional, farmer broker Auckland. Rameshtha Kur is emeritus 100 00:07:04,853 --> 00:07:07,853 Speaker 2: Professor in the Crawford School of Public Policy at the 101 00:07:07,853 --> 00:07:12,493 Speaker 2: Australian National University. He's a Fellow of the Australian Institute 102 00:07:12,533 --> 00:07:17,653 Speaker 2: of International Affairs and Brownstone Institute's Senior Scholar. He's doing 103 00:07:17,733 --> 00:07:21,613 Speaker 2: brilliant work with Brownstone. He was a Senior Vice rector 104 00:07:21,813 --> 00:07:25,253 Speaker 2: at the United Nations University and Assistant Secretary General of 105 00:07:25,293 --> 00:07:28,773 Speaker 2: the United Nations. Educated in India and Canada, he was 106 00:07:28,813 --> 00:07:32,133 Speaker 2: a professor of International Relations at the University of Otago, 107 00:07:32,493 --> 00:07:35,733 Speaker 2: a professor and head of the Peace Research Center the 108 00:07:35,733 --> 00:07:39,813 Speaker 2: Australian National University, and Foundation director of the Balsilly School 109 00:07:39,853 --> 00:07:44,093 Speaker 2: of International Affairs at Waterloo, Ontario. He's also served as 110 00:07:44,093 --> 00:07:47,133 Speaker 2: a consultant advisor to the Australian, New Zealand and Norwegian 111 00:07:47,133 --> 00:07:51,413 Speaker 2: governments on arms, controlled, disarmament and international security issues. And 112 00:07:51,453 --> 00:07:54,733 Speaker 2: he was commissioner and one of the principal authors of 113 00:07:54,773 --> 00:08:00,133 Speaker 2: the Responsibility to Protect in two thousand one, and Senior 114 00:08:00,173 --> 00:08:03,413 Speaker 2: Advisor on Reforms and principal writer of the United Nations 115 00:08:03,493 --> 00:08:07,933 Speaker 2: Secretary General KOFE. NaN's Second Reform Report in two thousand 116 00:08:07,933 --> 00:08:10,813 Speaker 2: and two he's been on this podcast on more than 117 00:08:11,213 --> 00:08:15,893 Speaker 2: two occasions, and it's a great pleasure to welcome me back. 118 00:08:16,013 --> 00:08:18,613 Speaker 3: Ramsha. I hope you're good. Good, Thank you. Laden. 119 00:08:19,173 --> 00:08:22,533 Speaker 2: I noticed that we hadn't spoken this year at all, 120 00:08:22,933 --> 00:08:25,973 Speaker 2: and that disturbed me, and it was it was even 121 00:08:26,373 --> 00:08:28,133 Speaker 2: it was about nine months ago. I think that we 122 00:08:28,293 --> 00:08:30,333 Speaker 2: that we actually did our last interview. And I can't 123 00:08:30,373 --> 00:08:32,853 Speaker 2: understand that except that this year. 124 00:08:32,693 --> 00:08:34,973 Speaker 3: Has been a little bit. Time flies. 125 00:08:35,573 --> 00:08:37,973 Speaker 2: This year has been a little different to a lot 126 00:08:38,013 --> 00:08:41,693 Speaker 2: of a lot of others. Are you yes, you've just 127 00:08:41,693 --> 00:08:44,493 Speaker 2: come back from Japan too? Was what was the cause? 128 00:08:45,653 --> 00:08:50,813 Speaker 2: I was in Hiroshima. Every year since twenty thirteen, the 129 00:08:50,853 --> 00:08:55,253 Speaker 2: Governor of Hiroshima, which is an elected position, has convened 130 00:08:55,373 --> 00:08:59,493 Speaker 2: a small group of international experts on a team called 131 00:08:59,533 --> 00:09:03,373 Speaker 2: the Hiroshima Around Table. We look at the year that 132 00:09:03,413 --> 00:09:06,013 Speaker 2: has gone by and look forward to the year that's 133 00:09:06,093 --> 00:09:10,693 Speaker 2: coming with respect to the threats and attempts. 134 00:09:10,293 --> 00:09:13,493 Speaker 3: To reduce the threats from nuclear weapons. And we've done 135 00:09:13,533 --> 00:09:16,413 Speaker 3: it every year except for two years when we couldn't 136 00:09:16,453 --> 00:09:20,093 Speaker 3: because of the travel restrictions in relation to COVID. Is 137 00:09:20,133 --> 00:09:23,333 Speaker 3: it what you announced? This? Sorry? Just one last thing, Well, 138 00:09:23,333 --> 00:09:25,973 Speaker 3: I'm on that subject. I announced to the group this 139 00:09:26,053 --> 00:09:29,973 Speaker 3: year that this will be my last meeting. Excuse me, 140 00:09:30,013 --> 00:09:32,293 Speaker 3: I'm getting a bit too old to engage in law 141 00:09:32,373 --> 00:09:37,533 Speaker 3: distance travel. Your body rebuilt. I'll keep going to New 142 00:09:37,613 --> 00:09:41,693 Speaker 3: Zealand and to family in India, and beyond that that's unlikely. 143 00:09:41,933 --> 00:09:44,493 Speaker 2: Well, there are people, it is really important or interesting. 144 00:09:44,773 --> 00:09:46,573 Speaker 2: There are people in New Zealand who will see you 145 00:09:46,573 --> 00:09:50,853 Speaker 2: as often as you like. Now, you've also published a 146 00:09:50,933 --> 00:09:55,173 Speaker 2: book last year, our enemy, the government. I want to 147 00:09:55,253 --> 00:09:56,933 Speaker 2: talk to you about the book, and I thought it 148 00:09:57,053 --> 00:10:00,093 Speaker 2: appropriate to rate it at the beginning. But before we 149 00:10:00,213 --> 00:10:03,453 Speaker 2: do the book, I want to ask you about your 150 00:10:03,533 --> 00:10:07,893 Speaker 2: thoughts on American politics at this moment, with the last 151 00:10:07,893 --> 00:10:10,973 Speaker 2: couple of weeks in mind, because there has been well 152 00:10:11,013 --> 00:10:15,213 Speaker 2: what can I say, there has been an earthquake. Politically 153 00:10:15,293 --> 00:10:15,813 Speaker 2: of course. 154 00:10:15,693 --> 00:10:22,373 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Well it's in a sense part of the 155 00:10:22,413 --> 00:10:26,733 Speaker 3: ongoing sense of in Churchill's words, the gathering storm once 156 00:10:26,773 --> 00:10:31,613 Speaker 3: again internationally. But of course the United States has a 157 00:10:31,893 --> 00:10:37,853 Speaker 3: uniquely important influence in shaping the contours of world affairs 158 00:10:37,853 --> 00:10:41,253 Speaker 3: and geopolitics as well. So what's happening that is important 159 00:10:41,293 --> 00:10:45,013 Speaker 3: for all of us, particularly all of us in the 160 00:10:45,093 --> 00:10:49,373 Speaker 3: Western democratic world, if you like. And we began the 161 00:10:49,493 --> 00:10:52,573 Speaker 3: year with the thought that surely the United States can 162 00:10:52,653 --> 00:10:56,253 Speaker 3: do better than presenting us with the same two choices. 163 00:10:57,413 --> 00:11:00,013 Speaker 3: But in fact there has been remarkable developments with respect 164 00:11:00,093 --> 00:11:05,213 Speaker 3: to both of them within the past two to three weeks, 165 00:11:05,253 --> 00:11:08,333 Speaker 3: including today as we speak, or overnight as we speak, 166 00:11:09,173 --> 00:11:13,213 Speaker 3: with respect to President Biden finally bowing to reality, the 167 00:11:13,213 --> 00:11:21,373 Speaker 3: political reality which is caused by his increasingly obvious health reality. 168 00:11:22,413 --> 00:11:25,973 Speaker 3: So yes, there's all sorts of convulsions is probably the 169 00:11:25,973 --> 00:11:30,493 Speaker 3: best word. In the meantime with the attempted assassination on Trump, 170 00:11:31,573 --> 00:11:36,853 Speaker 3: there's another whole slew of questions and reflections in relation 171 00:11:37,013 --> 00:11:39,853 Speaker 3: to that. I mean, I think we're all going to 172 00:11:39,893 --> 00:11:44,773 Speaker 3: be watching that particular photo endlessly from not in November, 173 00:11:44,813 --> 00:11:48,933 Speaker 3: and I suspect periodically after that. I'm not sure what 174 00:11:49,093 --> 00:11:53,613 Speaker 3: photos you can compare that to. Its certainly visually very 175 00:11:53,653 --> 00:11:57,973 Speaker 3: reminiscent of the famous photograph on Yuojima as the Americans 176 00:11:58,213 --> 00:12:03,333 Speaker 3: raised the American flag, except that was obviously more consequential 177 00:12:03,373 --> 00:12:06,333 Speaker 3: in terms of the Pacific War theater of the Second 178 00:12:06,333 --> 00:12:09,653 Speaker 3: World War, but it was whereas the Trump thing was 179 00:12:11,013 --> 00:12:15,293 Speaker 3: lived reality in technical for everyone who was watching it 180 00:12:15,653 --> 00:12:20,453 Speaker 3: live or unless they've been hiding themselves under rock, watched 181 00:12:20,453 --> 00:12:25,293 Speaker 3: the news since then, and it recreates a myth of 182 00:12:25,373 --> 00:12:28,613 Speaker 3: Trump which is in a sense sharper than and different 183 00:12:28,613 --> 00:12:32,893 Speaker 3: from his previous perceived for sooner. So that's one side 184 00:12:32,893 --> 00:12:38,213 Speaker 3: of it. And that followed the disastrous debate performance by 185 00:12:38,293 --> 00:12:44,373 Speaker 3: Joe Biden, which performed the reality that he's mentally aged 186 00:12:44,493 --> 00:12:47,453 Speaker 3: a lot, even in the past four years, almost on 187 00:12:47,493 --> 00:12:51,053 Speaker 3: a monthly basis, and essentially, to be blunt about it, 188 00:12:51,093 --> 00:12:54,493 Speaker 3: the Democratic Party and the press by and large have 189 00:12:54,653 --> 00:12:57,933 Speaker 3: light to the public about just how bad he's been 190 00:12:59,133 --> 00:13:01,813 Speaker 3: and until it became just too obvious and they had 191 00:13:01,813 --> 00:13:05,013 Speaker 3: to backtrack. And now he's had to leave. Where does 192 00:13:05,053 --> 00:13:08,173 Speaker 3: that leave us? We don't know, but the fact remains, 193 00:13:08,333 --> 00:13:13,213 Speaker 3: but the election in November will be exceptionally consequential for 194 00:13:13,333 --> 00:13:16,213 Speaker 3: the United States and for the world. And there's a 195 00:13:16,333 --> 00:13:19,373 Speaker 3: number of teams that call us around that. So as 196 00:13:19,413 --> 00:13:21,333 Speaker 3: on how much you want to unpack, but you know, 197 00:13:21,413 --> 00:13:27,493 Speaker 3: the just political stupidity, but the worrying implications for democracy 198 00:13:27,493 --> 00:13:30,333 Speaker 3: of the way in which they have weaponized lawfare against Trump, 199 00:13:31,373 --> 00:13:33,533 Speaker 3: adding to the way they made it impossible for him 200 00:13:33,573 --> 00:13:36,413 Speaker 3: to govern in his first term. How much of that 201 00:13:36,453 --> 00:13:40,893 Speaker 3: has he learned from? Will he from the first day onwards, 202 00:13:43,293 --> 00:13:45,773 Speaker 3: to use his phrase, try to drain the swamp, except 203 00:13:45,853 --> 00:13:50,053 Speaker 3: with more efficiency and determination, perhaps more success this time. 204 00:13:51,013 --> 00:13:56,893 Speaker 3: Because that erosion of democratic freedom, civil liberties, election integrity, 205 00:13:58,413 --> 00:14:04,653 Speaker 3: the institutions, the slide from democratic self governing republics and 206 00:14:04,733 --> 00:14:09,613 Speaker 3: monarchies for that matter, to the administrative administrative state where 207 00:14:09,653 --> 00:14:17,053 Speaker 3: the technocratic elites are in charge, aligned with international elites, 208 00:14:17,093 --> 00:14:22,773 Speaker 3: technocratic elits and organizations, and in collision with the big media, 209 00:14:22,853 --> 00:14:28,373 Speaker 3: big tech, etc. The transformation of democratic politics as we've 210 00:14:28,413 --> 00:14:32,013 Speaker 3: known it in terms of political partisanship and social cievage, 211 00:14:32,053 --> 00:14:36,813 Speaker 3: in the sense that democrats in the US, labor parties 212 00:14:36,853 --> 00:14:41,093 Speaker 3: on the UK, Australia and New Zealand have changed from 213 00:14:41,973 --> 00:14:45,613 Speaker 3: have evolved and changed qua dramatically from their roots and 214 00:14:45,733 --> 00:14:49,653 Speaker 3: workers and working class people into representing the elites. And 215 00:14:49,693 --> 00:14:54,733 Speaker 3: it's the conservative parties now that are increasingly aligning with 216 00:14:54,813 --> 00:14:59,773 Speaker 3: the workers. You see that vigaide defense. You know, if 217 00:14:59,773 --> 00:15:03,093 Speaker 3: you look, well, Kamala Harris another likely to be the 218 00:15:03,133 --> 00:15:06,333 Speaker 3: new presidential candidate. But if you look at these two together, 219 00:15:06,493 --> 00:15:12,133 Speaker 3: it's a good conjunction because between them. Vance is the 220 00:15:12,133 --> 00:15:14,733 Speaker 3: one who has white trash origins, if I may use 221 00:15:14,773 --> 00:15:22,773 Speaker 3: that phrase in this context, from Middletown, Ohio and overcame 222 00:15:22,853 --> 00:15:28,093 Speaker 3: that complete dysfunction, completely dysfunctional family, poor boy, come good, 223 00:15:29,813 --> 00:15:35,613 Speaker 3: worked on self discipline, used education, joined the Marines, then 224 00:15:35,733 --> 00:15:39,533 Speaker 3: used the gi bill, leveraged that background to enroll in 225 00:15:39,613 --> 00:15:44,813 Speaker 3: Ohio State University, graduated, went Yale Law School, graduated from there, 226 00:15:45,733 --> 00:15:50,293 Speaker 3: became a venture capitalist of businessman, entrepreneur, and then entered politics. 227 00:15:50,693 --> 00:15:53,053 Speaker 3: And his book, I assuming you've read it, Hillbilly Elergy. 228 00:15:53,173 --> 00:15:55,173 Speaker 3: I read it some years ago now when it came out. 229 00:15:56,293 --> 00:16:02,013 Speaker 3: It's quite a gripping account of this heart scrabble backstory 230 00:16:02,053 --> 00:16:07,253 Speaker 3: that he has. And he represents one, shall we say, 231 00:16:07,373 --> 00:16:12,013 Speaker 3: leg of the great dream of overcoming your origins, working 232 00:16:12,053 --> 00:16:17,933 Speaker 3: hard and achieving success and financial rewards. But just as importantly, 233 00:16:18,133 --> 00:16:19,773 Speaker 3: and I think at this point has to be made 234 00:16:19,813 --> 00:16:24,693 Speaker 3: as well, his wife, Usha Chili Huri Evans. Now she 235 00:16:25,933 --> 00:16:31,133 Speaker 3: is from middle class, comfortable background for immigrant parents, and 236 00:16:31,293 --> 00:16:33,693 Speaker 3: represents the dream that immigrants have when they come to 237 00:16:33,733 --> 00:16:37,973 Speaker 3: the West of working hard, being rewarded for it, and 238 00:16:38,053 --> 00:16:40,333 Speaker 3: a belief in the rule of law where no one 239 00:16:40,373 --> 00:16:42,733 Speaker 3: is either above the law or below the law. In 240 00:16:42,733 --> 00:16:45,293 Speaker 3: other words, they are subject to the law and bound 241 00:16:45,293 --> 00:16:47,133 Speaker 3: by it, but they also are protected by the law 242 00:16:47,613 --> 00:16:52,613 Speaker 3: against excesses and arbitrary excess as a power. So all 243 00:16:52,693 --> 00:16:56,213 Speaker 3: those things are just being complete that in one sentiday. 244 00:16:56,293 --> 00:17:00,853 Speaker 3: On the other side, surprisingly, by contrast, Kamla Harris is 245 00:17:00,893 --> 00:17:06,493 Speaker 3: the child of privilege and as an adult, the beneficiary 246 00:17:06,533 --> 00:17:10,133 Speaker 3: of political patrileage. And yet in terms of racial avent 247 00:17:10,213 --> 00:17:12,173 Speaker 3: do you think it should be the other around? So 248 00:17:12,213 --> 00:17:15,693 Speaker 3: it's a strange world, but it's a world in transformation. 249 00:17:15,973 --> 00:17:19,533 Speaker 2: In the middle of chaos, with hope it's creative rather 250 00:17:19,573 --> 00:17:20,333 Speaker 2: than destructive. 251 00:17:20,373 --> 00:17:20,813 Speaker 3: Girls. 252 00:17:20,853 --> 00:17:24,213 Speaker 2: Well, I'd very much like to think that you're that 253 00:17:24,253 --> 00:17:28,453 Speaker 2: you're right when you when you said something about the 254 00:17:28,453 --> 00:17:31,613 Speaker 2: two of them, were you talking about about JD and 255 00:17:31,693 --> 00:17:35,533 Speaker 2: his wife or were you referring to him alone? 256 00:17:35,533 --> 00:17:38,253 Speaker 3: When I started off as referring to j Evans comparison 257 00:17:38,333 --> 00:17:41,013 Speaker 3: to Kamala Harris, well, then of course I did segive 258 00:17:41,173 --> 00:17:43,093 Speaker 3: into the two of them in terms of the Vans 259 00:17:43,133 --> 00:17:43,533 Speaker 3: and Vans. 260 00:17:44,133 --> 00:17:48,413 Speaker 2: So what about the combination of Trump and Vance? How 261 00:17:48,453 --> 00:17:49,333 Speaker 2: does that sit with you? 262 00:17:49,453 --> 00:17:53,453 Speaker 3: It's an interesting choice. I was very pleased with that. Uh, 263 00:17:53,693 --> 00:17:57,133 Speaker 3: and we don't will. I guess we might find out 264 00:17:57,133 --> 00:18:01,173 Speaker 3: in due course if his choice might have been different. Oh, 265 00:18:01,253 --> 00:18:04,173 Speaker 3: he was leaning in a different way before the attempt 266 00:18:04,253 --> 00:18:07,853 Speaker 3: on his life. But what happens after that is very 267 00:18:07,893 --> 00:18:10,773 Speaker 3: interesting if you think you threw from his point of view. Firstly, 268 00:18:11,773 --> 00:18:14,933 Speaker 3: I suspect it confirms in his mind that he's going 269 00:18:15,013 --> 00:18:19,373 Speaker 3: to win this year. That attempt and his survival and 270 00:18:19,413 --> 00:18:21,653 Speaker 3: the way he reacted in a sense, is the deed. 271 00:18:22,733 --> 00:18:25,813 Speaker 3: If that's the case, he doesn't need to worry so 272 00:18:25,893 --> 00:18:30,133 Speaker 3: much about a running mate who brings other states or 273 00:18:30,213 --> 00:18:33,133 Speaker 3: other votes to the elected College to add to his. 274 00:18:33,893 --> 00:18:37,093 Speaker 3: He now takes that for granted and thinks, okay, if 275 00:18:37,133 --> 00:18:41,373 Speaker 3: I win, I want my revolution to be institutionalized within 276 00:18:41,413 --> 00:18:44,533 Speaker 3: the party, and I want someone who will carry on 277 00:18:44,573 --> 00:18:48,693 Speaker 3: my legacy. Now, if you think of his first administration 278 00:18:48,773 --> 00:18:52,093 Speaker 3: and the chaos and his senior appointments and the Turner 279 00:18:52,133 --> 00:18:55,853 Speaker 3: were in the senior appointments, the vice president is the 280 00:18:55,933 --> 00:19:00,413 Speaker 3: one person he can't sack elected on the ticket. All 281 00:19:00,453 --> 00:19:03,693 Speaker 3: the other cabinet appointees he can sack. So he needs 282 00:19:03,733 --> 00:19:08,093 Speaker 3: someone that he thinks believes in his vision and in 283 00:19:08,853 --> 00:19:13,173 Speaker 3: and in what he's trying to do. And secondly has 284 00:19:13,333 --> 00:19:18,133 Speaker 3: the strength of character to withstand the attacks that will 285 00:19:18,173 --> 00:19:21,093 Speaker 3: come his way as well. So if you're going to 286 00:19:21,093 --> 00:19:25,173 Speaker 3: embed your legacy, none of the other potential choices would 287 00:19:25,173 --> 00:19:29,373 Speaker 3: have matched what Vance has to offer, whereas some of 288 00:19:29,493 --> 00:19:32,333 Speaker 3: the others would have been better in terms of winning 289 00:19:32,533 --> 00:19:37,093 Speaker 3: State A or State B as well. So there's that consideration. 290 00:19:38,493 --> 00:19:43,573 Speaker 3: Vance is trump Ism without the Trump character flaws. He's articulate, 291 00:19:44,533 --> 00:19:50,573 Speaker 3: he's personable, he's accomplished, he has a stable family. He 292 00:19:50,613 --> 00:19:54,413 Speaker 3: is clearly a devoted a husband and father, and he 293 00:19:54,533 --> 00:19:57,773 Speaker 3: seems to give higher priority to that than to anything else, 294 00:19:58,053 --> 00:20:01,813 Speaker 3: which is understanda will give in his own background. Then 295 00:20:01,373 --> 00:20:05,053 Speaker 3: at the convention he introduces his mother, and I certainly 296 00:20:05,053 --> 00:20:09,013 Speaker 3: hadn't realized since reading the book that the mother has 297 00:20:09,093 --> 00:20:11,813 Speaker 3: been on the mend and has been clean and sober, 298 00:20:11,813 --> 00:20:14,693 Speaker 3: as you put it, for more than nine years, almost 299 00:20:14,693 --> 00:20:17,333 Speaker 3: ten years or ten years will be completed in January. 300 00:20:17,773 --> 00:20:20,013 Speaker 3: So it's quite a compelling story. And I thought he 301 00:20:20,093 --> 00:20:22,853 Speaker 3: spoke very well, and his wife did a good job 302 00:20:22,933 --> 00:20:26,253 Speaker 3: introducing him as well, and I think that will build 303 00:20:26,293 --> 00:20:28,813 Speaker 3: and the two of them together should make an effective 304 00:20:29,693 --> 00:20:33,293 Speaker 3: set of campaigners. So for those reasons, I was actually 305 00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:35,933 Speaker 3: quite pleased with the choice. I think in terms of 306 00:20:35,933 --> 00:20:39,533 Speaker 3: what he's trying to do. You know, Rance is not 307 00:20:39,613 --> 00:20:43,253 Speaker 3: going to have the crude vulgarity that is an inevitable 308 00:20:43,253 --> 00:20:46,533 Speaker 3: part of the baggage of the package that comes with Trump. 309 00:20:47,733 --> 00:20:50,893 Speaker 3: But I think and also both of them are more 310 00:20:52,133 --> 00:20:59,253 Speaker 3: pragmatic conservatives rather than ideological conservatives, and so I think 311 00:20:59,533 --> 00:21:02,773 Speaker 3: they may balance out quite nicely. Vance is supposed to 312 00:21:02,773 --> 00:21:05,533 Speaker 3: be an excellent debater as well, and we've seen glimpses 313 00:21:05,573 --> 00:21:08,133 Speaker 3: of that. So it will be interesting. Now the course 314 00:21:08,133 --> 00:21:11,253 Speaker 3: of focus will turn to who's going to be Kamala 315 00:21:11,293 --> 00:21:14,653 Speaker 3: Harris's running mate, and of course on the final products. 316 00:21:14,733 --> 00:21:19,333 Speaker 3: And now, as someone who's Indian, you've got a bit 317 00:21:19,373 --> 00:21:23,253 Speaker 3: of Indian as a presidential candidate now and one half 318 00:21:23,293 --> 00:21:26,653 Speaker 3: of the advanced package as an Indian background as well. 319 00:21:27,213 --> 00:21:30,933 Speaker 3: So it's spearing to see us in my community doing well. 320 00:21:31,973 --> 00:21:39,133 Speaker 3: The Indians are coming Indians, I hear me, Well, don't mind. 321 00:21:39,533 --> 00:21:41,493 Speaker 3: I don't think soon like did very well as Prime 322 00:21:41,533 --> 00:21:44,453 Speaker 3: Minister in the UK, but Attlea at least you know 323 00:21:45,013 --> 00:21:47,493 Speaker 3: the good about the UK. If if I'm against Sichtra 324 00:21:47,773 --> 00:21:50,173 Speaker 3: is that Indian he was just as he should have 325 00:21:50,213 --> 00:21:52,773 Speaker 3: been all alone on his performance, not on the color 326 00:21:52,813 --> 00:21:55,493 Speaker 3: of his skin. And it's to his everlasting credit that 327 00:21:55,573 --> 00:21:59,213 Speaker 3: he has not blamed any of the results on racial 328 00:21:59,213 --> 00:22:04,053 Speaker 3: discrimination or presidente and the same with Chili Kuri. It's 329 00:22:04,053 --> 00:22:07,733 Speaker 3: a family that relied on hard work and application. No 330 00:22:07,893 --> 00:22:10,973 Speaker 3: one came to favoritism. So I think if you look 331 00:22:10,973 --> 00:22:14,453 Speaker 3: at the Indian overseas Indian community, including in New Zealand, 332 00:22:15,933 --> 00:22:18,733 Speaker 3: they seem to reflect the thing that I argued in 333 00:22:18,773 --> 00:22:20,613 Speaker 3: relation to the voice to be here, and that is 334 00:22:20,613 --> 00:22:24,613 Speaker 3: that I do not seek any privilege or rights is 335 00:22:24,653 --> 00:22:28,333 Speaker 3: not available to every other Australian, but I do want 336 00:22:28,373 --> 00:22:31,853 Speaker 3: to claim rights all the rights that are available to 337 00:22:31,893 --> 00:22:34,893 Speaker 3: any other Australian, So just as on our merits and work, 338 00:22:35,453 --> 00:22:39,453 Speaker 3: not on our inherited characteristics. And that's I'm pleased to 339 00:22:39,453 --> 00:22:42,813 Speaker 3: see that that's a more widespread phenomena as far as 340 00:22:42,813 --> 00:22:44,733 Speaker 3: the overseas Indian community is concerned. 341 00:22:46,413 --> 00:22:52,573 Speaker 2: Now you may mention of the Democrat Party edits Hinchman 342 00:22:52,853 --> 00:22:57,573 Speaker 2: and in the same breath the media and how they 343 00:22:57,693 --> 00:22:59,573 Speaker 2: have deceived, which. 344 00:22:59,813 --> 00:23:04,053 Speaker 3: Deceived, dessembled protected Democrats tried to undermine the Trump first 345 00:23:04,933 --> 00:23:08,813 Speaker 3: administration and his candidacy since then so yes, issues for 346 00:23:08,853 --> 00:23:09,773 Speaker 3: the Democratic Party. 347 00:23:09,933 --> 00:23:15,213 Speaker 2: Yes, So the question, the question becomes, is that rectifiable 348 00:23:15,973 --> 00:23:19,173 Speaker 2: or is it? I mean, they're already back into the game. 349 00:23:19,213 --> 00:23:22,373 Speaker 2: And I'm talking I'm talking specifically the media. Now, I 350 00:23:22,413 --> 00:23:25,413 Speaker 2: mean they have switched sides on two or three occasions, 351 00:23:25,733 --> 00:23:29,773 Speaker 2: the media that we're talking about, the so called legacy media, 352 00:23:30,013 --> 00:23:32,613 Speaker 2: And it's only it's only taken a word from somebody 353 00:23:32,773 --> 00:23:37,093 Speaker 2: like a Bama or to to encourage that and effect 354 00:23:37,293 --> 00:23:40,973 Speaker 2: that switch, so that you know, within a twenty four 355 00:23:40,973 --> 00:23:44,653 Speaker 2: hour period, they're they're they're backing, they're backing Biden. Then 356 00:23:45,013 --> 00:23:47,293 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, they're not backing Biden. And then 357 00:23:47,533 --> 00:23:50,053 Speaker 2: then they were again, at least some of them were. 358 00:23:51,453 --> 00:23:55,413 Speaker 2: And so the inconsistency wall, now that's the wrong thing 359 00:23:55,453 --> 00:23:59,333 Speaker 2: to say, because they're very consistent in their in their approach, 360 00:24:00,093 --> 00:24:04,133 Speaker 2: even though even though there's a large slice of the 361 00:24:04,173 --> 00:24:10,773 Speaker 2: population here as well that realizes that they are dishonest 362 00:24:11,653 --> 00:24:15,333 Speaker 2: and even criminal in some quarters. But it doesn't seem 363 00:24:15,373 --> 00:24:20,093 Speaker 2: to penetrate the bulk of the Democrat Party. 364 00:24:21,013 --> 00:24:23,293 Speaker 3: No, but it has affected the reputation of the media 365 00:24:24,053 --> 00:24:29,853 Speaker 3: and reach. If again, the polls have documented in the 366 00:24:29,893 --> 00:24:34,293 Speaker 3: country after country declining trust in pretty much all the 367 00:24:34,333 --> 00:24:40,413 Speaker 3: major institutions, and in most places the reputation of the 368 00:24:40,493 --> 00:24:43,053 Speaker 3: media is almost the same as that of governments now, 369 00:24:43,213 --> 00:24:46,533 Speaker 3: in other words, very low. This is the legacy media, 370 00:24:47,373 --> 00:24:49,493 Speaker 3: and so more and more people are getting the information 371 00:24:49,613 --> 00:24:52,253 Speaker 3: from other sources. Now. Having said that, I do have 372 00:24:53,413 --> 00:24:58,333 Speaker 3: some sympathy for the legacy media in that clearly they 373 00:24:58,413 --> 00:25:04,133 Speaker 3: have been under great pressure and stress, even from the 374 00:25:04,213 --> 00:25:09,653 Speaker 3: revolutions in technology that has troy the old model of 375 00:25:11,533 --> 00:25:16,813 Speaker 3: if not a generous profitability, at least viable profitability. And 376 00:25:16,853 --> 00:25:19,253 Speaker 3: they're losing money and you saw that. I forget the 377 00:25:19,653 --> 00:25:22,653 Speaker 3: huge amount that the Washington Post has been losing, for example, 378 00:25:23,813 --> 00:25:26,293 Speaker 3: and the owner came and said, you know, you're losing 379 00:25:26,333 --> 00:25:29,693 Speaker 3: this much per day. The people are not interested in 380 00:25:29,733 --> 00:25:33,813 Speaker 3: reading what you're writing. So that message will sooner or 381 00:25:33,893 --> 00:25:39,373 Speaker 3: later I have to either get through or the leading 382 00:25:39,573 --> 00:25:42,773 Speaker 3: examplars of legacy media will die whither are on the vine, 383 00:25:44,013 --> 00:25:48,573 Speaker 3: and the next to come under stress will be the 384 00:25:48,613 --> 00:25:52,573 Speaker 3: publicly funded broadcasters. I don't think those models are viable either. 385 00:25:52,853 --> 00:25:56,173 Speaker 3: I just I think they'll go to subscription model and 386 00:25:56,213 --> 00:25:58,853 Speaker 3: will have to be forced to survive. And of course 387 00:25:58,973 --> 00:26:01,373 Speaker 3: it's not true that it's not necessarily the case that 388 00:26:01,453 --> 00:26:06,813 Speaker 3: the case for publicly funded broadcasting is as valid today 389 00:26:06,853 --> 00:26:08,293 Speaker 3: as it was when they were first set up. 390 00:26:08,933 --> 00:26:11,813 Speaker 2: Well, there's plenty of discussion about it from time to time, 391 00:26:12,413 --> 00:26:17,613 Speaker 2: when when a crisis arises and you find that the 392 00:26:18,093 --> 00:26:22,613 Speaker 2: investment that the population is putting into into the government 393 00:26:22,693 --> 00:26:27,493 Speaker 2: owned benures simply isn't isn't going anywhere and not achieving 394 00:26:27,493 --> 00:26:31,613 Speaker 2: anything now, and and so we we should we should 395 00:26:31,653 --> 00:26:36,453 Speaker 2: move on. I was going to ask you anyway, We've 396 00:26:36,533 --> 00:26:39,173 Speaker 2: we've already discussed a fair bit of politics, but the 397 00:26:39,213 --> 00:26:43,093 Speaker 2: state of the world in general. You with your experience, 398 00:26:44,453 --> 00:26:48,093 Speaker 2: and we've emphasized that on numerous occasions, but your your 399 00:26:48,253 --> 00:26:52,693 Speaker 2: United Nations experience and what came from it. What is 400 00:26:52,733 --> 00:26:55,373 Speaker 2: your interpretation of where the world is at at the 401 00:26:55,413 --> 00:27:00,013 Speaker 2: moment out leaving America aside. 402 00:26:59,133 --> 00:27:02,973 Speaker 3: Well, there's several things. On the one hand, there's little 403 00:27:03,813 --> 00:27:08,813 Speaker 3: well different theaters of the gathering storm and thenations that 404 00:27:09,173 --> 00:27:13,173 Speaker 3: seem to keep ratcheting up. Ukraine is still a problem 405 00:27:13,213 --> 00:27:17,213 Speaker 3: in Europe. The Middle East is getting worse rather than better, 406 00:27:17,293 --> 00:27:22,693 Speaker 3: and it certainly looks as though with the Gaza situation 407 00:27:23,213 --> 00:27:28,693 Speaker 3: under control by Israel, from Israel's point of view, the 408 00:27:28,733 --> 00:27:31,933 Speaker 3: tension might be ratting up on the northern border with 409 00:27:32,013 --> 00:27:35,093 Speaker 3: regard to his vola in Lebanon. So there's that, and 410 00:27:35,133 --> 00:27:40,773 Speaker 3: then of course the unresolved issue with Iran. We keep. 411 00:27:41,653 --> 00:27:44,413 Speaker 3: There's no reason to feel any less worried about what's 412 00:27:44,413 --> 00:27:49,253 Speaker 3: happening in East Asia around the South China Sea and 413 00:27:49,533 --> 00:27:54,293 Speaker 3: Taiwan issue Korean Peninsula. I don't think it's any worse, 414 00:27:54,333 --> 00:27:57,453 Speaker 3: but it's not got any easier either. I think the 415 00:27:57,493 --> 00:28:01,333 Speaker 3: subcontinent at the moment, with the exception of what's volatility 416 00:28:01,693 --> 00:28:06,693 Speaker 3: domestic volatility in Bangladesh, at least in international politics of continent, 417 00:28:06,813 --> 00:28:10,973 Speaker 3: is perhaps a bit less fertile. And I was actually 418 00:28:10,973 --> 00:28:12,973 Speaker 3: pleased with the outcome of the election in India in 419 00:28:13,053 --> 00:28:17,933 Speaker 3: terms of putting a check on the authority intendencies of 420 00:28:17,973 --> 00:28:21,373 Speaker 3: the government without necessarily throwing them out to plunge in 421 00:28:21,413 --> 00:28:26,653 Speaker 3: thea into instability. And I think across the Western world 422 00:28:26,693 --> 00:28:30,093 Speaker 3: in the meantime, the thing that vories me in terms 423 00:28:30,133 --> 00:28:34,093 Speaker 3: of the centralization of power, firstly in the central government 424 00:28:35,013 --> 00:28:38,573 Speaker 3: and then in the office of the Prime Minister, and 425 00:28:38,773 --> 00:28:42,373 Speaker 3: the growth of the power of the state at the 426 00:28:42,413 --> 00:28:47,333 Speaker 3: expense of the freedoms and liberties of citizens. That remains 427 00:28:47,373 --> 00:28:50,693 Speaker 3: of concern, certainly in the UK. I think their indication 428 00:28:50,933 --> 00:28:55,173 Speaker 3: that the Starmer government is going in for a massive emputy, 429 00:28:55,333 --> 00:29:01,853 Speaker 3: rapid expansion of the techno bureaucratic pombocratic if there is 430 00:29:01,893 --> 00:29:05,293 Speaker 3: such a word state as well rather than and that 431 00:29:05,373 --> 00:29:08,453 Speaker 3: will have the inevitable effect of producing freedom. And I 432 00:29:08,493 --> 00:29:14,613 Speaker 3: think the international trends again reflect the centralization of power 433 00:29:14,653 --> 00:29:20,173 Speaker 3: and influence in the global alliance of the technocratic elite. 434 00:29:21,413 --> 00:29:26,853 Speaker 3: So I think at some stage this disconnect between what 435 00:29:26,973 --> 00:29:31,773 Speaker 3: the people are prepared to tolerate. You see the pushback in Europe, 436 00:29:32,493 --> 00:29:34,133 Speaker 3: and I think it's going to come here as well. 437 00:29:34,493 --> 00:29:36,853 Speaker 3: And I don't mind not about New Zealand now, but 438 00:29:36,933 --> 00:29:42,813 Speaker 3: the pushback as the individual costs of the net zero 439 00:29:42,853 --> 00:29:46,213 Speaker 3: green agenda become obvious, people are saying, no, we're not 440 00:29:46,253 --> 00:29:48,853 Speaker 3: going to we are not prepared to pay that price. 441 00:29:50,373 --> 00:29:53,933 Speaker 3: And we don't see that, you know, but if you 442 00:29:53,973 --> 00:29:57,933 Speaker 3: look at the health infrastructure, for example, we don't see 443 00:29:57,973 --> 00:30:03,373 Speaker 3: why you should prioritize the health of the planet against 444 00:30:03,413 --> 00:30:08,453 Speaker 3: the alleged threat of global warming over the needs of 445 00:30:08,493 --> 00:30:13,053 Speaker 3: our health today. And yet you've got the wh or 446 00:30:14,213 --> 00:30:19,413 Speaker 3: expanding sentacles to embrace climate change as a health threat. 447 00:30:19,933 --> 00:30:23,413 Speaker 3: You've got medical counsels in various places doing the same thing. 448 00:30:24,133 --> 00:30:27,573 Speaker 3: So those things are on top of the geopolitical tensions, 449 00:30:28,213 --> 00:30:31,693 Speaker 3: and you just get the same sense that at some 450 00:30:31,773 --> 00:30:34,053 Speaker 3: point some thing's got to give, which was in a 451 00:30:34,093 --> 00:30:37,613 Speaker 3: sense in a strange way, if you know what I mean. 452 00:30:38,013 --> 00:30:41,413 Speaker 3: I think that was also the case with the assassination 453 00:30:41,453 --> 00:30:45,333 Speaker 3: attempt from Trump. The qualification, the abuse was getting to 454 00:30:45,453 --> 00:30:49,053 Speaker 3: extreme youth against sense that something had to give, and 455 00:30:49,133 --> 00:30:53,973 Speaker 3: that happened. So there's some release point of pressure, some 456 00:30:54,173 --> 00:30:57,653 Speaker 3: valve that will release the pressure that's going to Europe 457 00:30:57,733 --> 00:31:01,533 Speaker 3: somewhere or other, is my sense. So the existing institutions 458 00:31:01,533 --> 00:31:06,053 Speaker 3: of golobal governors meant to manage all this peaceably smoothly, 459 00:31:08,013 --> 00:31:11,413 Speaker 3: there proving less and less fit for purpose, and that 460 00:31:11,613 --> 00:31:16,413 Speaker 3: gap between the institutions of governance, both nationally and internationally 461 00:31:17,373 --> 00:31:22,693 Speaker 3: and the people's needs and desires and expectations, that gap 462 00:31:22,813 --> 00:31:26,093 Speaker 3: is putting stress both on national government systems and global 463 00:31:26,093 --> 00:31:28,733 Speaker 3: government systems which are more Which is a more abstract 464 00:31:28,733 --> 00:31:30,653 Speaker 3: way of making the same argument. 465 00:31:31,173 --> 00:31:34,973 Speaker 2: There's so many tangents we could spike off on from 466 00:31:35,053 --> 00:31:38,573 Speaker 2: from what you've just said. But I'm intrigued with your 467 00:31:39,133 --> 00:31:43,733 Speaker 2: one word of thought. This goes against the grain of 468 00:31:43,853 --> 00:31:49,933 Speaker 2: your your background in the United Nations, especially as a 469 00:31:49,933 --> 00:31:55,613 Speaker 2: as a sorry, what's the word, Assistant Secretary general. 470 00:31:55,413 --> 00:31:56,333 Speaker 3: As sex general. 471 00:31:56,453 --> 00:32:00,973 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let me let me just let me spit 472 00:32:01,053 --> 00:32:05,893 Speaker 2: this out. I'm see you and I travel. I've discovered 473 00:32:05,973 --> 00:32:10,573 Speaker 2: in the same boat on numerous issues, and climbing climate 474 00:32:10,653 --> 00:32:12,493 Speaker 2: change is one of them. But I'm looking at a 475 00:32:12,493 --> 00:32:14,253 Speaker 2: headline and I can't even tell you where I got 476 00:32:14,253 --> 00:32:17,733 Speaker 2: it from because I printed it and it's got no 477 00:32:17,813 --> 00:32:20,813 Speaker 2: reference to it. But the headline is climate change and 478 00:32:20,853 --> 00:32:24,493 Speaker 2: man made co to the biggest con in history. I 479 00:32:24,533 --> 00:32:27,373 Speaker 2: know that it's from a legitimate site, but I can't 480 00:32:27,653 --> 00:32:29,973 Speaker 2: can't recall which one because I've had it for a while. 481 00:32:30,813 --> 00:32:34,933 Speaker 2: But at the very last paragraph, humans attempting to eliminate 482 00:32:34,973 --> 00:32:37,653 Speaker 2: CO two from the atmosphere is equivalent to some evil 483 00:32:38,013 --> 00:32:44,293 Speaker 2: fictional plant demon attending to eliminate attempting to eliminate oxygen 484 00:32:44,333 --> 00:32:48,453 Speaker 2: from the atmosphere, causing the mass asphyxiation of the entire 485 00:32:48,573 --> 00:32:53,493 Speaker 2: human race. Just as eliminating oxygen is genocide against humans, 486 00:32:53,533 --> 00:32:57,933 Speaker 2: eliminating carbon dioxide is genocide against plants. Now, do you 487 00:32:58,053 --> 00:33:02,293 Speaker 2: get the feeling that this is starting to make progress 488 00:33:02,333 --> 00:33:05,293 Speaker 2: and sink through some rather thick brains. 489 00:33:05,933 --> 00:33:09,613 Speaker 3: I think so. And it's through the governments as well, 490 00:33:09,973 --> 00:33:12,413 Speaker 3: not certainly not in Australia at the moment, but you know, 491 00:33:12,733 --> 00:33:19,293 Speaker 3: this year the Opposition party has at least committed to 492 00:33:19,413 --> 00:33:23,853 Speaker 3: reopening the domestic nuclear energy debate. So there is that progress, 493 00:33:23,853 --> 00:33:27,573 Speaker 3: and they're I think of reading the room in the 494 00:33:27,573 --> 00:33:33,813 Speaker 3: global level and the States and in Europe. And you 495 00:33:33,893 --> 00:33:36,973 Speaker 3: had the commitment from I think on this board Van Vat, 496 00:33:37,613 --> 00:33:41,253 Speaker 3: who let's say, said are the like more likely winners 497 00:33:41,253 --> 00:33:45,413 Speaker 3: at this stage in November, they are committed to reversing 498 00:33:45,133 --> 00:33:51,413 Speaker 3: the green agenda completely and very urgently. In fact, Trump 499 00:33:51,493 --> 00:33:54,893 Speaker 3: and his acceptance speech went back to his drill, Baby drill, 500 00:33:55,853 --> 00:34:04,493 Speaker 3: and Vance made a reference to that as well. So 501 00:34:04,493 --> 00:34:09,133 Speaker 3: so I think that is getting through. But the problem 502 00:34:09,213 --> 00:34:13,973 Speaker 3: is there's been so much indoctrination and brainwashing that I'd 503 00:34:13,973 --> 00:34:17,573 Speaker 3: be surprised if a majority of young people realize that 504 00:34:17,613 --> 00:34:24,493 Speaker 3: carbon dioxide is absolutely essential to plant life. And I 505 00:34:24,533 --> 00:34:28,493 Speaker 3: don't think most of them would know or would even 506 00:34:28,533 --> 00:34:32,013 Speaker 3: believe you if you told them that there has been 507 00:34:32,373 --> 00:34:38,813 Speaker 3: actually a greening of the world with increased warmth, nor 508 00:34:38,853 --> 00:34:42,973 Speaker 3: would they know that the evidence, all the available research 509 00:34:43,253 --> 00:34:48,853 Speaker 3: shows that in relation to extreme weather conditions, ten times 510 00:34:48,853 --> 00:34:52,013 Speaker 3: as many people in the world die from extreme cold 511 00:34:52,053 --> 00:34:54,653 Speaker 3: as from extreme heat. When has there been a time 512 00:34:54,693 --> 00:34:58,173 Speaker 3: when climate has not changed? And in relation to what 513 00:34:58,173 --> 00:35:01,013 Speaker 3: you're thinking about the United Nations, I don't think it 514 00:35:01,093 --> 00:35:03,693 Speaker 3: helps anyone for the Second General to start using the 515 00:35:04,093 --> 00:35:08,053 Speaker 3: hyperbolic language of we have moved on from climate from 516 00:35:08,053 --> 00:35:12,413 Speaker 3: globe warming to global boiling. When that that's just irresponsible, 517 00:35:13,933 --> 00:35:15,213 Speaker 3: extremist language. 518 00:35:15,373 --> 00:35:18,053 Speaker 2: We're all interested, I think, to know from your perspective 519 00:35:18,413 --> 00:35:22,413 Speaker 2: when the un changed. Can I say as dramatically as 520 00:35:22,413 --> 00:35:26,173 Speaker 2: it seems to have over over over a period of time, 521 00:35:27,013 --> 00:35:29,373 Speaker 2: but it when when did it start? 522 00:35:31,573 --> 00:35:36,013 Speaker 3: It's been well, it's it's been gradual, I suppose, And 523 00:35:36,613 --> 00:35:38,613 Speaker 3: I think you'd have to tie to what I was 524 00:35:38,653 --> 00:35:43,573 Speaker 3: saying earlier as the functions that the core functions of 525 00:35:43,653 --> 00:35:50,933 Speaker 3: government are delegated from the legislature and the executive to 526 00:35:51,053 --> 00:35:55,733 Speaker 3: the administrative state and the technocrats. That has become reflected 527 00:35:56,093 --> 00:35:59,133 Speaker 3: in the international organizations as well, because it's the same 528 00:35:59,213 --> 00:36:04,093 Speaker 3: technocratic elite that moves society base back and forth. And 529 00:36:04,213 --> 00:36:11,213 Speaker 3: so if we were to read take the agenda and 530 00:36:11,373 --> 00:36:17,693 Speaker 3: vest the real powers of the functioning of government back 531 00:36:17,733 --> 00:36:21,053 Speaker 3: in the parliament and back in the executive and take 532 00:36:21,093 --> 00:36:25,613 Speaker 3: it away from the bureaucracy and the judiciary, then I 533 00:36:25,653 --> 00:36:28,333 Speaker 3: think you see that reflected in the United Nations as well. 534 00:36:28,613 --> 00:36:32,453 Speaker 3: The United Nations is not an independent actor. It is 535 00:36:32,493 --> 00:36:38,253 Speaker 3: still subject to control and ownership by governments, and so 536 00:36:38,613 --> 00:36:42,493 Speaker 3: if the politicians took charge of it more, then I 537 00:36:42,533 --> 00:36:45,733 Speaker 3: think you see that transferred across to the United Nations 538 00:36:45,733 --> 00:36:47,773 Speaker 3: as well. So I think we have to be careful 539 00:36:47,813 --> 00:36:52,933 Speaker 3: not to blame the United Nations directly as such, it 540 00:36:52,973 --> 00:36:56,053 Speaker 3: does what member states want. Policy is set by the 541 00:36:56,053 --> 00:37:00,973 Speaker 3: member states, not by the International Secretariat. Even the Secretary 542 00:37:01,013 --> 00:37:03,813 Speaker 3: General and call for things, but he doesn't get to 543 00:37:03,893 --> 00:37:08,573 Speaker 3: vote on these issues. 544 00:37:09,613 --> 00:37:13,093 Speaker 2: What about the influence that the shall we say, the 545 00:37:13,213 --> 00:37:17,453 Speaker 2: darker nations have and I don't mean color, I mean 546 00:37:17,613 --> 00:37:21,893 Speaker 2: in outlook on things. And I'm and I'm thinking of 547 00:37:22,213 --> 00:37:26,173 Speaker 2: I'm thinking of the dictatorial countries specifically. 548 00:37:26,733 --> 00:37:29,253 Speaker 3: Why is why they don't they don't they don't have 549 00:37:29,293 --> 00:37:32,373 Speaker 3: so much power in the human system. It's it's mainly 550 00:37:32,453 --> 00:37:34,773 Speaker 3: in the Security Council. It is the Western powers in 551 00:37:34,813 --> 00:37:38,653 Speaker 3: the General Assembly that there's they don't have a such 552 00:37:38,693 --> 00:37:45,373 Speaker 3: a huge block. It's on Israel, for example. The agenda 553 00:37:45,453 --> 00:37:48,253 Speaker 3: is driven by the Middle East and Islamic countries, not 554 00:37:48,253 --> 00:37:52,573 Speaker 3: not by the digitarial countries so much or not similarly 555 00:37:52,613 --> 00:37:56,053 Speaker 3: on other issues is different coalitions. And there are some 556 00:37:56,093 --> 00:38:00,293 Speaker 3: countries that are influential swing states, and that includes India. 557 00:38:00,533 --> 00:38:04,253 Speaker 3: It used to include Sweden, for example, Canada used to be, 558 00:38:04,333 --> 00:38:07,853 Speaker 3: but it's not at the moment of the five permanent 559 00:38:07,853 --> 00:38:13,893 Speaker 3: members Western, Democratic, UK, France, USA. I think we need 560 00:38:13,973 --> 00:38:17,453 Speaker 3: to remember that the most of the UN agenda is 561 00:38:17,453 --> 00:38:19,733 Speaker 3: still under the West control and the worker then that 562 00:38:19,813 --> 00:38:22,093 Speaker 3: comes from the West and is driven by the West. 563 00:38:22,893 --> 00:38:28,173 Speaker 2: Okay, you mentioned Israel momentarily, what to quote you? As 564 00:38:28,253 --> 00:38:32,613 Speaker 2: the liberal international order fades, institutions that were created as 565 00:38:32,653 --> 00:38:37,013 Speaker 2: part of the euphoria of liberal internationalism are becoming unmoored 566 00:38:37,133 --> 00:38:41,013 Speaker 2: from foundational values as rather than in contact of the ICC. 567 00:38:41,253 --> 00:38:41,453 Speaker 3: Yeah. 568 00:38:41,533 --> 00:38:44,853 Speaker 2: Yeah, as relative power is ceded to newly powerful but 569 00:38:44,973 --> 00:38:48,813 Speaker 2: illiberal countries. Western powers that designed, created and provided stewardship 570 00:38:49,213 --> 00:38:54,013 Speaker 2: stewardship in the post forty five order losing their controlling 571 00:38:54,053 --> 00:38:58,533 Speaker 2: grip of the institutions of that order speaking of Israel, 572 00:38:59,373 --> 00:39:01,333 Speaker 2: and this you wrote this, of course, of the opening 573 00:39:01,333 --> 00:39:07,413 Speaker 2: paragraph of the ICC's legitimacy and integrity, the important word deficits. 574 00:39:08,333 --> 00:39:16,373 Speaker 2: So what is your take then on Israel's performance to 575 00:39:16,493 --> 00:39:19,933 Speaker 2: date in the wars? 576 00:39:20,933 --> 00:39:24,613 Speaker 3: Firstly, that general argument that I was making there is 577 00:39:24,653 --> 00:39:28,653 Speaker 3: a continuation of the argument that I've been making since 578 00:39:28,773 --> 00:39:30,973 Speaker 3: my book on the UN and back in two thousand 579 00:39:30,973 --> 00:39:34,173 Speaker 3: and six, So it's not actually new, but the trend 580 00:39:34,173 --> 00:39:37,893 Speaker 3: has continued and has intensified. And I was raising these 581 00:39:37,893 --> 00:39:42,853 Speaker 3: issues then already, and I remember writing, for example, in 582 00:39:42,893 --> 00:39:48,093 Speaker 3: relation to the death penalty, by what technocratic grace or 583 00:39:48,133 --> 00:39:51,653 Speaker 3: by what legitimacy does the United Nations claim a state 584 00:39:51,693 --> 00:39:54,973 Speaker 3: of grace above and beyond that of its member states 585 00:39:55,013 --> 00:39:58,813 Speaker 3: when it comes to the death penalty. So it's those 586 00:39:58,893 --> 00:40:02,053 Speaker 3: the general questions. And I was raising the same issue 587 00:40:02,053 --> 00:40:05,093 Speaker 3: in relation to the piece efforts in these teamor and 588 00:40:06,813 --> 00:40:08,773 Speaker 3: you know that when they were deciding that they would 589 00:40:09,853 --> 00:40:13,973 Speaker 3: disband the or not pursue criminal justice against the previous 590 00:40:13,973 --> 00:40:17,333 Speaker 3: regime in relation to each timor and the new government 591 00:40:17,333 --> 00:40:20,653 Speaker 3: and Indonesia's and that agreement of predcision, that these are 592 00:40:20,693 --> 00:40:23,293 Speaker 3: issues that were raised in relation to trying to and 593 00:40:23,333 --> 00:40:27,933 Speaker 3: conflicts in Africa. So all that was there, but it 594 00:40:27,973 --> 00:40:35,293 Speaker 3: has intensified. The difficulty is now since then, the rise 595 00:40:35,333 --> 00:40:40,853 Speaker 3: of China has become more obvious, and inevitably the major 596 00:40:40,893 --> 00:40:45,373 Speaker 3: powers of the era will seek and will gain commensurate 597 00:40:45,453 --> 00:40:50,533 Speaker 3: influence in the institutions of governance of the time. And 598 00:40:50,573 --> 00:40:52,533 Speaker 3: the fact that for the first time in history, we're 599 00:40:52,573 --> 00:40:55,853 Speaker 3: going to have a global hedgemon that's not English speaking, 600 00:40:56,253 --> 00:41:00,773 Speaker 3: that's not liberal, that's not democratic, that's not capitalist, and 601 00:41:01,613 --> 00:41:06,173 Speaker 3: doesn't engage in international diplomacy in the English language. All 602 00:41:06,213 --> 00:41:08,453 Speaker 3: that's creating a lot of discomfort for us, as it 603 00:41:08,493 --> 00:41:10,973 Speaker 3: as bound to and as it should. So that's a 604 00:41:11,013 --> 00:41:13,733 Speaker 3: different issue now. In relation to Israel and the United 605 00:41:13,813 --> 00:41:18,773 Speaker 3: Nations and ICJ, the World Court and the International Criminal Court, 606 00:41:19,613 --> 00:41:23,693 Speaker 3: you've got a peculiar situation where different parts of the 607 00:41:23,853 --> 00:41:31,293 Speaker 3: UN system either defer excessively to Israel or focus excessively 608 00:41:31,333 --> 00:41:34,653 Speaker 3: on it and condemn it excessively disproportionately to compare to others. 609 00:41:34,853 --> 00:41:38,413 Speaker 3: So the Human Rights Council, for example, puts Israel in 610 00:41:38,413 --> 00:41:42,253 Speaker 3: the talk more than any other country, and that clearly 611 00:41:42,453 --> 00:41:46,013 Speaker 3: cannot be justified on any objective basis. On the other hand, 612 00:41:46,053 --> 00:41:49,573 Speaker 3: in the Security Council, Israel has got away with defiance 613 00:41:49,573 --> 00:41:53,693 Speaker 3: of United Nations or resolutions more than any other single country. 614 00:41:54,733 --> 00:41:58,133 Speaker 3: The World Court has ruled on the legality of Israeli 615 00:41:58,133 --> 00:42:01,693 Speaker 3: occupation in terms of international law. I think the World 616 00:42:01,733 --> 00:42:06,093 Speaker 3: Court is right. At the International Criminal Court, the prosecutor 617 00:42:06,333 --> 00:42:09,573 Speaker 3: has sought a restaurance, but the judges have not yet 618 00:42:09,693 --> 00:42:13,053 Speaker 3: granted that. I hope they don't give it. If they do, 619 00:42:13,133 --> 00:42:16,293 Speaker 3: it creates a different set of difficulties. But now you 620 00:42:16,373 --> 00:42:20,213 Speaker 3: relate that to what my basic argument has been for 621 00:42:20,293 --> 00:42:22,933 Speaker 3: two to three decades now in relation to these issues, 622 00:42:22,933 --> 00:42:27,973 Speaker 3: and that is the international level, you have a development 623 00:42:28,013 --> 00:42:32,933 Speaker 3: of legal institutions and criminal justice institutions the stand by 624 00:42:33,013 --> 00:42:39,013 Speaker 3: themselves without the supporting infrastructure of a legislature, a bureaucracy, 625 00:42:40,533 --> 00:42:46,733 Speaker 3: an executive, and that reverses the historical trend. Domestically, a 626 00:42:46,813 --> 00:42:52,493 Speaker 3: functioning legal system apart from the legislature and the executive 627 00:42:52,573 --> 00:42:56,533 Speaker 3: comes at the end of establishment of institutions of governmance, 628 00:42:57,013 --> 00:43:00,293 Speaker 3: not at the very start. They don't, for example, have 629 00:43:00,413 --> 00:43:07,453 Speaker 3: enforcement capabilities themselves. And it's when the basic first auto 630 00:43:07,533 --> 00:43:11,053 Speaker 3: political question are settled and the purpose of the state 631 00:43:11,133 --> 00:43:18,813 Speaker 3: is reflected in our constitutional constitution arrangement of government parts, 632 00:43:19,213 --> 00:43:23,213 Speaker 3: whether in written constitution or by convention, then you can 633 00:43:23,293 --> 00:43:27,453 Speaker 3: start having separation of judiciary from the others. But at 634 00:43:27,453 --> 00:43:32,053 Speaker 3: the moment we don't have that internationally. And should the 635 00:43:32,333 --> 00:43:36,293 Speaker 3: Prime Minister of Israel be welcome in Australia or New Zealand, 636 00:43:36,373 --> 00:43:39,853 Speaker 3: or the UK or India. Should the President of Suddam 637 00:43:39,973 --> 00:43:44,173 Speaker 3: be welcome in South Africa or in India. These at 638 00:43:44,173 --> 00:43:48,933 Speaker 3: the moment are not principally legal questions to be addressed, 639 00:43:48,973 --> 00:43:53,133 Speaker 3: announcewered with the legal analysis and passing of what things are. 640 00:43:53,493 --> 00:43:55,933 Speaker 3: They are primarily political questions and for us they are 641 00:43:55,973 --> 00:44:00,133 Speaker 3: foreign policy questions. And I don't think it works to 642 00:44:00,213 --> 00:44:04,693 Speaker 3: subordinate every other calculation to the determination of the law 643 00:44:04,813 --> 00:44:09,533 Speaker 3: and the criminal law as judged by deucocrats sitting in 644 00:44:09,533 --> 00:44:12,653 Speaker 3: the Hague. And that was a mistake that was made, 645 00:44:12,693 --> 00:44:17,373 Speaker 3: and it's coming home the implications of that. How can 646 00:44:17,413 --> 00:44:22,813 Speaker 3: you reconcile the fact that the United States and Russia 647 00:44:22,933 --> 00:44:26,613 Speaker 3: and China are not members of the International Criminal Court, 648 00:44:27,253 --> 00:44:30,173 Speaker 3: have not subjected themselves to the discipline and authority of 649 00:44:30,173 --> 00:44:33,493 Speaker 3: the Criminal Court, have not signed the wrong statute and 650 00:44:33,613 --> 00:44:35,853 Speaker 3: yet have a vote in the Security Council on matters 651 00:44:35,853 --> 00:44:39,613 Speaker 3: that come up in relation to the Criminal Court. India 652 00:44:39,653 --> 00:44:42,013 Speaker 3: has not signed the NPT, doesn't get a vote on it. 653 00:44:43,133 --> 00:44:45,253 Speaker 3: United States has not signed the Convention of the Law 654 00:44:45,253 --> 00:44:47,253 Speaker 3: of the Sea, doesn't have a vote on it or 655 00:44:47,293 --> 00:44:51,213 Speaker 3: any role in it. So there are all these compromises 656 00:44:51,253 --> 00:44:53,813 Speaker 3: that we thought, well, we'll just keep quite about it 657 00:44:53,893 --> 00:44:57,213 Speaker 3: because we want progress on this. But the result is 658 00:44:58,053 --> 00:45:02,813 Speaker 3: it's creating political difficulties and I think it was a 659 00:45:02,853 --> 00:45:06,213 Speaker 3: British Prime Minister Rishisu Nakhu said in relationship to the 660 00:45:06,413 --> 00:45:10,293 Speaker 3: ICC request for the rest worried by the prosecutor. This 661 00:45:10,413 --> 00:45:13,613 Speaker 3: doesn't advance any of the political agendas. It doesn't help 662 00:45:13,653 --> 00:45:16,013 Speaker 3: to seek relief of the hostages. In fact, it delete it. 663 00:45:16,413 --> 00:45:21,653 Speaker 3: They delays it. It will impede and obstruct at negotiating 664 00:45:21,733 --> 00:45:25,453 Speaker 3: a compromise, and it doesn't help in a relation to 665 00:45:25,973 --> 00:45:30,373 Speaker 3: the two test to state solution as an ultimate objective 666 00:45:30,413 --> 00:45:33,773 Speaker 3: of these negotiations either And here's right on the practical side, 667 00:45:34,733 --> 00:45:40,213 Speaker 3: all the three parts agender were obstructed rather than facilitated 668 00:45:40,253 --> 00:45:42,733 Speaker 3: by that. But of course the legal answer to that 669 00:45:42,813 --> 00:45:45,333 Speaker 3: is well, that's not our concerned you're only looking at 670 00:45:45,333 --> 00:45:49,053 Speaker 3: the law, and that's what I'm saying. The separation from 671 00:45:49,213 --> 00:45:52,973 Speaker 3: law of law from politics doesn't work on the existing 672 00:45:53,053 --> 00:45:58,173 Speaker 3: international conditions we wanted domestically, and we see the consequences 673 00:45:58,173 --> 00:46:01,813 Speaker 3: of not having it with the weaponization of lawfare against Trump. 674 00:46:02,973 --> 00:46:05,213 Speaker 3: But again, the political impact has been it has backfired 675 00:46:05,293 --> 00:46:08,293 Speaker 3: on the Democrats. I'm glad you made it. You don't think, Yeah, 676 00:46:08,453 --> 00:46:08,853 Speaker 3: I'm glad. 677 00:46:09,013 --> 00:46:11,813 Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned Trump again, just momentarily, because I 678 00:46:11,893 --> 00:46:15,453 Speaker 2: was going to go back there off the off the 679 00:46:15,453 --> 00:46:19,093 Speaker 2: back of what you've been saying, Can you give me 680 00:46:19,133 --> 00:46:22,853 Speaker 2: a good reason why there are, as far as I know, 681 00:46:23,013 --> 00:46:29,333 Speaker 2: three Trump X advisors or staff members who are in 682 00:46:29,413 --> 00:46:34,053 Speaker 2: jail at the moment for declining to accept a subpoena 683 00:46:34,493 --> 00:46:35,853 Speaker 2: to appear before a House. 684 00:46:35,613 --> 00:46:39,813 Speaker 3: Committee, and it's just been released. I think, who has 685 00:46:41,453 --> 00:46:44,253 Speaker 3: one of them? Has that's been released to served his term? Yeah? 686 00:46:44,853 --> 00:46:49,293 Speaker 2: Okay, but but he served his term. And at the 687 00:46:49,333 --> 00:46:54,733 Speaker 2: same time, the present Attorney General also declined to accept 688 00:46:54,733 --> 00:47:00,013 Speaker 2: his invitations to appear before before the House committee, just 689 00:47:00,093 --> 00:47:03,573 Speaker 2: refused basic basically stuck his nose in the air and 690 00:47:03,573 --> 00:47:07,333 Speaker 2: told him what they could do with it. Now, where's 691 00:47:07,413 --> 00:47:10,093 Speaker 2: the jail tour for him. That's this is only one, 692 00:47:10,373 --> 00:47:14,293 Speaker 2: one single example of so many of similar situations. But 693 00:47:14,333 --> 00:47:15,453 Speaker 2: I'm just wondering your thoughts. 694 00:47:17,333 --> 00:47:19,133 Speaker 3: Well, it goes back to the thing which is the 695 00:47:19,213 --> 00:47:22,573 Speaker 3: enforcement arm, is the Department of Justice. So for that 696 00:47:22,613 --> 00:47:25,533 Speaker 3: to happen, you need a change of administration, and that 697 00:47:25,653 --> 00:47:30,653 Speaker 3: becomes a problem that I think it is. It is, 698 00:47:30,893 --> 00:47:35,053 Speaker 3: It is an inconsistency, but it's not as bad really 699 00:47:35,093 --> 00:47:39,613 Speaker 3: as as a prosecutor who campaigns on getting Trump and 700 00:47:39,613 --> 00:47:42,493 Speaker 3: then bends and twists the law into a complete pretzel 701 00:47:42,813 --> 00:47:48,493 Speaker 3: to pursue Trump. And that whole thing is just absolutely ridiculous, 702 00:47:48,933 --> 00:47:50,933 Speaker 3: and I think it is a backside big time. 703 00:47:53,693 --> 00:47:55,413 Speaker 2: Got a little while to wait to see that, but 704 00:47:55,893 --> 00:47:57,613 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to you being right. 705 00:47:58,773 --> 00:48:01,813 Speaker 3: I don't think Trump would have had an easy ride 706 00:48:01,973 --> 00:48:05,293 Speaker 3: to nomination of the Department Party if they had not 707 00:48:05,413 --> 00:48:09,693 Speaker 3: pursued him so recklessly and so relentlessly. And they have 708 00:48:09,813 --> 00:48:13,173 Speaker 3: proven his assertion that they're coming after him with everything 709 00:48:13,173 --> 00:48:19,373 Speaker 3: they've got. They vilified him, they slandered him, they made 710 00:48:19,413 --> 00:48:23,213 Speaker 3: it impossible for him to govern as a duly elected president, 711 00:48:23,653 --> 00:48:27,613 Speaker 3: and the shootspath saying he doesn't accept election results. You 712 00:48:27,733 --> 00:48:31,293 Speaker 3: have intelligence officers lied to the American public after before 713 00:48:31,333 --> 00:48:34,853 Speaker 3: the last election, the fifty one intelligence officers senior intellience 714 00:48:34,853 --> 00:48:38,493 Speaker 3: offices in relation to the Hunter Biden laptop story. Then 715 00:48:38,573 --> 00:48:41,093 Speaker 3: they have tried to bankrupt him, they have tried to 716 00:48:41,133 --> 00:48:44,413 Speaker 3: imprison him, and in the recent times they even had 717 00:48:44,413 --> 00:48:46,733 Speaker 3: a shot at him. I mean, I'm using day in 718 00:48:46,773 --> 00:48:49,533 Speaker 3: the general sense there because we don't know what because 719 00:48:49,613 --> 00:48:54,533 Speaker 3: motivation was, but all that progressively, a lot of independents 720 00:48:54,573 --> 00:48:58,293 Speaker 3: who would have found Trump too distasteful to vote for 721 00:48:58,373 --> 00:49:04,653 Speaker 3: him have been angered enough and incensed enough at this 722 00:49:04,893 --> 00:49:09,493 Speaker 3: overt politicization and weaponization of the justice system. Did they 723 00:49:09,573 --> 00:49:12,053 Speaker 3: see that as a greater threat to democracy than Trump is? 724 00:49:13,653 --> 00:49:15,613 Speaker 3: And there's lots of poor evidence to back that up. 725 00:49:15,773 --> 00:49:21,933 Speaker 2: Yes, there is Laighton Smith. So that is part one 726 00:49:22,253 --> 00:49:26,293 Speaker 2: of our discussion with Ramesh Thicker. We will have part 727 00:49:26,333 --> 00:49:30,373 Speaker 2: two in podcasts two forty nine. We get into Julian 728 00:49:30,413 --> 00:49:33,413 Speaker 2: the Sanane and have a little discussion. We agreed this, 729 00:49:33,733 --> 00:49:38,533 Speaker 2: we disagreed slightly. And reliance on technology, cash and the 730 00:49:38,573 --> 00:49:44,813 Speaker 2: importance of it, and Western society's bent on feeding fuel 731 00:49:45,013 --> 00:49:49,493 Speaker 2: into the fire that is consuming them and DEI they're 732 00:49:49,533 --> 00:49:51,773 Speaker 2: just some of the Things A Podcast two forty nine. 733 00:50:05,253 --> 00:50:07,493 Speaker 2: Over to the podcast for number two hundred and forty eight, 734 00:50:07,533 --> 00:50:08,693 Speaker 2: missus producer. 735 00:50:09,093 --> 00:50:11,413 Speaker 3: You're looking very well, lighton. I'm great. 736 00:50:11,453 --> 00:50:14,373 Speaker 4: Got rid of the pesky cold after the plane flight, 737 00:50:15,053 --> 00:50:16,973 Speaker 4: Well mostly I've got rid of it. 738 00:50:17,373 --> 00:50:20,893 Speaker 3: Yes, feeling one hundred percent excellent and the sun is shining, 739 00:50:21,253 --> 00:50:22,573 Speaker 3: albeit that it's still chilly. 740 00:50:23,013 --> 00:50:24,853 Speaker 2: Could you want I want to get in a plane 741 00:50:25,093 --> 00:50:28,693 Speaker 2: cold or no cold on planes and go somewhere warm. 742 00:50:28,813 --> 00:50:31,373 Speaker 3: That'll be good. Yes, all right, why don't you lead? 743 00:50:31,933 --> 00:50:35,213 Speaker 4: Layton Vincent says in the same week that the Reserve 744 00:50:35,253 --> 00:50:38,333 Speaker 4: Bank has media releases about the brilliance and safety of 745 00:50:38,373 --> 00:50:42,813 Speaker 4: its desired CBDCs to be rolled out across the country. 746 00:50:43,253 --> 00:50:46,853 Speaker 4: We have what's been described as the largest IT disaster 747 00:50:47,093 --> 00:50:50,013 Speaker 4: in history, grinding much of the world to a halt. 748 00:50:50,693 --> 00:50:53,173 Speaker 4: All it took was a simple software update gone a 749 00:50:53,253 --> 00:50:57,133 Speaker 4: right to shut down civilization and stop everybody. 750 00:50:56,573 --> 00:50:57,333 Speaker 3: In their tracks. 751 00:50:58,053 --> 00:51:00,493 Speaker 4: I'm thankful that we have about three hundred dollars in 752 00:51:00,573 --> 00:51:03,053 Speaker 4: cash sitting in a drawer at home for such moments 753 00:51:03,133 --> 00:51:05,093 Speaker 4: as these, so we can pop to the shops with 754 00:51:05,213 --> 00:51:08,293 Speaker 4: some milk without queuing up with others who have bemused 755 00:51:08,413 --> 00:51:11,853 Speaker 4: and frustrated at what's going on. Of course, my three 756 00:51:11,973 --> 00:51:15,173 Speaker 4: hundred dollars won't last long, but this whole episode does 757 00:51:15,333 --> 00:51:18,613 Speaker 4: highlight the fragility of unmodern world and that cash truly 758 00:51:18,853 --> 00:51:22,133 Speaker 4: is king and always will be if given a chance. 759 00:51:22,973 --> 00:51:25,493 Speaker 4: Cheers to the businesses who've been turning their noses up 760 00:51:25,533 --> 00:51:27,933 Speaker 4: at the folding stuff. How's that working out for you? 761 00:51:29,053 --> 00:51:31,933 Speaker 4: Still loving the podcast of more than five years later, 762 00:51:31,973 --> 00:51:34,853 Speaker 4: and we really appreciate your hard work team, and long 763 00:51:34,933 --> 00:51:37,893 Speaker 4: may these continue as long as you're keening. 764 00:51:38,333 --> 00:51:42,453 Speaker 2: Vincent, Vincent, that's very inspiring, Vincent. Who knows what it 765 00:51:42,533 --> 00:51:45,813 Speaker 2: might have done, what it might have created? And I 766 00:51:45,813 --> 00:51:49,733 Speaker 2: think that what you had to say was pretty correct now, 767 00:51:49,853 --> 00:51:53,933 Speaker 2: David writes underneath the address for a video he has included. 768 00:51:54,813 --> 00:51:58,093 Speaker 2: This video goes through the audio sequence of gunshots of 769 00:51:58,253 --> 00:52:02,053 Speaker 2: fired at the Trump rally. Mike Adams, who made this video, 770 00:52:02,693 --> 00:52:05,733 Speaker 2: is open to critique on his methodology, but believes that 771 00:52:05,773 --> 00:52:09,533 Speaker 2: there were three shooters firing at t based on the 772 00:52:09,573 --> 00:52:13,733 Speaker 2: audio files. Mike Adams also provides an update at the 773 00:52:13,853 --> 00:52:16,493 Speaker 2: end of the video which suggests that one of the 774 00:52:16,493 --> 00:52:20,853 Speaker 2: shooter positions was from the water tower, which gels with 775 00:52:21,373 --> 00:52:24,573 Speaker 2: the previous video that I sent you that was produced 776 00:52:24,573 --> 00:52:30,013 Speaker 2: by Clayton Morris at redacted. It's in your podcast. Your 777 00:52:30,093 --> 00:52:32,053 Speaker 2: treatment stated that he found it hard to believe that 778 00:52:32,093 --> 00:52:36,133 Speaker 2: there was a conspiracy to assassinate Trump. I would suggest 779 00:52:36,173 --> 00:52:39,373 Speaker 2: that evidence is mounting daily from sources that this was 780 00:52:39,453 --> 00:52:43,173 Speaker 2: indeed a conspiracy. From what has been discovered so far, 781 00:52:43,733 --> 00:52:47,293 Speaker 2: mainly by independent media, it's become clear or becoming clear, 782 00:52:47,853 --> 00:52:50,973 Speaker 2: that the twenty year old crooks did not act alone. 783 00:52:51,733 --> 00:52:54,093 Speaker 2: Of course, the public will never get the full story 784 00:52:54,213 --> 00:52:58,013 Speaker 2: as long as the corrupt FBI is involved in the investigation. 785 00:52:59,053 --> 00:53:03,573 Speaker 2: They cannot even provide an update photo of crooks to 786 00:53:03,653 --> 00:53:06,413 Speaker 2: the media. Yet we are told that a police officer 787 00:53:06,413 --> 00:53:09,133 Speaker 2: took a photo of him when he was seen acting 788 00:53:09,173 --> 00:53:11,933 Speaker 2: suspiciously prior to the start of the rally. Well, let's 789 00:53:11,973 --> 00:53:14,493 Speaker 2: just say at this point that that doesn't mean that 790 00:53:14,493 --> 00:53:16,733 Speaker 2: that the picture that the guy took the cop took 791 00:53:17,253 --> 00:53:18,933 Speaker 2: was one of detail. 792 00:53:18,613 --> 00:53:20,653 Speaker 3: Or even on his face or whatever. We don't know. 793 00:53:21,533 --> 00:53:24,373 Speaker 2: As for George Treatman's comments regarding the Secret Service, it 794 00:53:24,413 --> 00:53:27,733 Speaker 2: would appear that a large number of Trump's security detail 795 00:53:28,093 --> 00:53:33,653 Speaker 2: were not actually Secret Service members. The DEI hires that 796 00:53:33,773 --> 00:53:37,973 Speaker 2: were seen bumbling along the limo as Trump was taken 797 00:53:38,013 --> 00:53:41,533 Speaker 2: away and did not inspire public confidence. It was like 798 00:53:41,573 --> 00:53:45,573 Speaker 2: watching an old Keystone Cops movie starring Laurel and Hardy. 799 00:53:46,133 --> 00:53:48,373 Speaker 2: I don't know, did that Laurel Hardy did Keystone Cops? 800 00:53:48,533 --> 00:53:51,053 Speaker 2: Or you're too young to know, David, thank you. There's 801 00:53:51,053 --> 00:53:54,253 Speaker 2: some there's a bit of a bit of an anticipation 802 00:53:54,493 --> 00:53:58,013 Speaker 2: in your in your letter that I think we'd all 803 00:53:58,053 --> 00:54:00,693 Speaker 2: be wise to just hang out a bit longer. And wait, 804 00:54:01,253 --> 00:54:05,333 Speaker 2: I mean it is it is today, earlier today that 805 00:54:05,413 --> 00:54:11,493 Speaker 2: whatever name is forgotten was before the House Committee, and 806 00:54:11,893 --> 00:54:15,253 Speaker 2: she wouldn't answer any questions. We don't really know any 807 00:54:15,293 --> 00:54:17,853 Speaker 2: more than what we did, do we And there's a 808 00:54:17,853 --> 00:54:21,253 Speaker 2: lot of supposition that's going on. I'm just being cautious, 809 00:54:21,293 --> 00:54:24,493 Speaker 2: that's all I mean. I I love the sound of 810 00:54:24,493 --> 00:54:26,973 Speaker 2: a good conspiracy, to be honest, but I also like 811 00:54:27,053 --> 00:54:28,213 Speaker 2: destroying them even more. 812 00:54:29,093 --> 00:54:33,413 Speaker 4: Leighton Claire says, I totally disagree with George's take on 813 00:54:33,453 --> 00:54:36,413 Speaker 4: how fit the women and the Secret Service are. Maybe 814 00:54:36,413 --> 00:54:38,573 Speaker 4: they have past tests in the field, but they are 815 00:54:38,573 --> 00:54:41,893 Speaker 4: not fit for purpose. How can a person of any 816 00:54:42,053 --> 00:54:45,293 Speaker 4: sex who has head and shoulders shorter than their protect 817 00:54:45,293 --> 00:54:48,693 Speaker 4: tea possibly be seen as a good fit. The short 818 00:54:48,733 --> 00:54:51,973 Speaker 4: person can't shield the protect tea and couldn't possibly get 819 00:54:52,013 --> 00:54:55,853 Speaker 4: the much taller and heavier protect tea into safety. I 820 00:54:55,893 --> 00:54:58,653 Speaker 4: heard on several occasions that when Reagan was shot, a 821 00:54:58,733 --> 00:55:01,613 Speaker 4: Secret Service agent picked him up like a rag doll 822 00:55:01,773 --> 00:55:04,773 Speaker 4: and got him into the waiting vehicle. A short person 823 00:55:04,773 --> 00:55:06,053 Speaker 4: couldn't have possibly done that. 824 00:55:06,053 --> 00:55:06,613 Speaker 3: With Trump. 825 00:55:07,333 --> 00:55:10,813 Speaker 4: I don't usually talk politics, and my friends are apolitical, 826 00:55:10,813 --> 00:55:13,333 Speaker 4: but they know where I stand. Twice in the past 827 00:55:13,373 --> 00:55:17,573 Speaker 4: two weeks, when pushed with stupid comments about Trump by acquaintances, 828 00:55:18,173 --> 00:55:20,653 Speaker 4: I've point blank told the speaker I was going to 829 00:55:20,733 --> 00:55:24,773 Speaker 4: vote for him, and why they were dumbfounded. And that's 830 00:55:24,773 --> 00:55:26,613 Speaker 4: from Claire, who I presume is in the States. 831 00:55:26,733 --> 00:55:29,853 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, well, who knows what effect what you're saying 832 00:55:29,853 --> 00:55:32,613 Speaker 2: to them might have. I mean, they're not being fed, 833 00:55:32,973 --> 00:55:36,093 Speaker 2: they're not being fed or they're not receiving shall we say, 834 00:55:36,293 --> 00:55:42,573 Speaker 2: proper information, And that's widely known now and it's just 835 00:55:43,093 --> 00:55:47,533 Speaker 2: very frustrating. Late and I heard you discussing the female 836 00:55:47,533 --> 00:55:51,213 Speaker 2: security personnel protecting Trump the other day. You should google 837 00:55:51,413 --> 00:55:55,053 Speaker 2: and listen to the very entertaining the Late debate on 838 00:55:55,213 --> 00:56:00,093 Speaker 2: Sky News Australia on fifteen July. What the panel discusses 839 00:56:00,213 --> 00:56:03,493 Speaker 2: is so correct and obvious that you must agree that 840 00:56:03,573 --> 00:56:05,533 Speaker 2: females are not suited to that role. 841 00:56:05,853 --> 00:56:06,453 Speaker 3: I'm female. 842 00:56:06,493 --> 00:56:10,933 Speaker 2: By the way, listen to the audio without subscribing to 843 00:56:11,013 --> 00:56:15,853 Speaker 2: the visual show. The one on seventeen July is also 844 00:56:15,893 --> 00:56:19,693 Speaker 2: worth listening to. I'm sure you'll get a giggle out 845 00:56:19,733 --> 00:56:23,493 Speaker 2: of them. There are commentaries going all which way at 846 00:56:23,533 --> 00:56:26,013 Speaker 2: the moment. I'll look, I'm the first to say that 847 00:56:26,453 --> 00:56:28,693 Speaker 2: neither of the two main women that we're talking about 848 00:56:28,773 --> 00:56:33,253 Speaker 2: in the service inspired confidence in anybody. 849 00:56:33,453 --> 00:56:34,053 Speaker 3: I don't think. 850 00:56:34,293 --> 00:56:37,333 Speaker 2: I don't know how they could with what was required, 851 00:56:38,293 --> 00:56:40,413 Speaker 2: albeit that they were doing the best that they could. 852 00:56:40,573 --> 00:56:42,693 Speaker 2: I know there's a letter here somewhere though, as a 853 00:56:42,693 --> 00:56:45,013 Speaker 2: producer that somebody has a different. 854 00:56:44,773 --> 00:56:46,093 Speaker 3: Opinion to that. Have you got? 855 00:56:46,453 --> 00:56:48,933 Speaker 4: I must say I initially thought when I saw those 856 00:56:48,933 --> 00:56:52,213 Speaker 4: pictures that the I know, look, granted, she was smaller 857 00:56:52,253 --> 00:56:55,813 Speaker 4: than Trump, wasn't she can't deny that. But the one 858 00:56:55,853 --> 00:56:59,013 Speaker 4: in the middle of those pictures I thought was incredibly brave, 859 00:56:59,133 --> 00:57:00,853 Speaker 4: as the men were as well. 860 00:57:01,173 --> 00:57:03,573 Speaker 2: But I just mind add that there are so many 861 00:57:03,773 --> 00:57:10,053 Speaker 2: There are so many versions and commentaries of various kinds 862 00:57:11,333 --> 00:57:15,453 Speaker 2: over this that you've got people, unquestionably, you've got people 863 00:57:15,493 --> 00:57:18,133 Speaker 2: seeing or hearing things that didn't happen, or they didn't 864 00:57:18,173 --> 00:57:21,973 Speaker 2: really see, they just convinced themselves that they did. 865 00:57:23,213 --> 00:57:25,813 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that's anybody that's written to us today. 866 00:57:25,853 --> 00:57:26,493 Speaker 3: It's just that. 867 00:57:28,173 --> 00:57:32,973 Speaker 2: It's patently obvious that until there is a proper inquiry, 868 00:57:33,773 --> 00:57:38,973 Speaker 2: a proper inquiry and a neutral one, then we need 869 00:57:39,013 --> 00:57:43,013 Speaker 2: more information. And then I say to myself quietly, will 870 00:57:43,013 --> 00:57:46,093 Speaker 2: we ever get to know the real deal? I think 871 00:57:46,093 --> 00:57:49,213 Speaker 2: it's just as unlikely as tomorrow's weather forecast. 872 00:57:50,333 --> 00:57:54,413 Speaker 4: Leighton Paul says Podcast two four seven was as good 873 00:57:54,453 --> 00:57:58,853 Speaker 4: as ever. I enjoyed Jordan William's pragmatic view of tax 874 00:57:59,413 --> 00:58:02,853 Speaker 4: The big highlight for me was George Friedman's consistent analysis 875 00:58:02,853 --> 00:58:06,173 Speaker 4: of the American political system and the reasoning he provides 876 00:58:06,213 --> 00:58:08,853 Speaker 4: for the current chaos. All in all, it is one 877 00:58:08,893 --> 00:58:11,693 Speaker 4: of the best podcasts I've had the pleasure of listening to. 878 00:58:12,333 --> 00:58:16,773 Speaker 4: George's input prompted me to reread The Geopolitical Future's special 879 00:58:16,813 --> 00:58:21,493 Speaker 4: report The Geopolitics of the American President. That was well 880 00:58:21,493 --> 00:58:25,373 Speaker 4: worth my effort as well. Thanks again, and I'm looking 881 00:58:25,413 --> 00:58:27,293 Speaker 4: forward to the next podcast, says. 882 00:58:27,093 --> 00:58:28,773 Speaker 3: Paul, I might see if I can find that. 883 00:58:29,013 --> 00:58:32,013 Speaker 2: I will see if I can find that and quote it. 884 00:58:32,533 --> 00:58:37,373 Speaker 2: If so, they're Latin and Carolyn missus producer. 885 00:58:37,373 --> 00:58:39,853 Speaker 3: If you don't mind, Carolyn's fine, thank you. 886 00:58:40,933 --> 00:58:44,373 Speaker 2: Following the events of the past two weeks, people must 887 00:58:44,413 --> 00:58:48,213 Speaker 2: surely begin to either believe in the existence of conspiracy 888 00:58:48,253 --> 00:58:54,013 Speaker 2: theories or the existence of God. Trump was being assassinated 889 00:58:54,053 --> 00:58:57,173 Speaker 2: on live TV, and all he lost was part of 890 00:58:57,213 --> 00:59:00,053 Speaker 2: his right here in a pretty small part by the 891 00:59:00,053 --> 00:59:03,213 Speaker 2: look of it now, and he gained a political turnaround 892 00:59:03,253 --> 00:59:06,613 Speaker 2: of epic proportions. Biden swore that he would remain in 893 00:59:06,613 --> 00:59:09,773 Speaker 2: the presidential race, only to be taken by COVID and 894 00:59:09,853 --> 00:59:14,253 Speaker 2: had his political campaign assassinated by the Democrats. It's a 895 00:59:14,253 --> 00:59:17,653 Speaker 2: good way to put it, actually. Of course, the American 896 00:59:17,733 --> 00:59:21,893 Speaker 2: leftist mainstream media tried to play down the inevitable MAGA 897 00:59:21,933 --> 00:59:26,613 Speaker 2: tsunami coming their way. While Jordan Williams rightly lamented the 898 00:59:26,733 --> 00:59:30,973 Speaker 2: lack of conservative media representing the population they serve, America 899 00:59:31,053 --> 00:59:34,493 Speaker 2: does have media like the New New York Post, which 900 00:59:34,813 --> 00:59:39,133 Speaker 2: reported that Secret Service officials repeatedly rejected Donald Trump's request 901 00:59:39,533 --> 00:59:43,733 Speaker 2: for additional security in the two years before his assassination attempt, 902 00:59:44,933 --> 00:59:48,853 Speaker 2: or before the assassination attempt. I hope America is reaching 903 00:59:49,013 --> 00:59:52,453 Speaker 2: the good end of George Freeman's fifty year cyclical history, 904 00:59:52,693 --> 00:59:56,573 Speaker 2: because America is severely broken, and the American political landscape 905 00:59:56,613 --> 01:00:02,173 Speaker 2: is indeed a swamp. Will God save America or abandon her? 906 01:00:02,413 --> 01:00:05,653 Speaker 2: We shall see in November later. 907 01:00:05,773 --> 01:00:09,413 Speaker 4: This is from Robin, who was referenced seeing the comments 908 01:00:09,453 --> 01:00:14,733 Speaker 4: she made a week or so ago about petrol and cars. 909 01:00:15,133 --> 01:00:16,173 Speaker 3: Do you remember. 910 01:00:15,813 --> 01:00:20,573 Speaker 2: That that I was just contemplating my money saving Ah? 911 01:00:20,653 --> 01:00:24,413 Speaker 4: Yes, you were too well, Robin says, no, don't, especially 912 01:00:24,453 --> 01:00:27,413 Speaker 4: in a European car. In a previous life, I was 913 01:00:27,453 --> 01:00:30,933 Speaker 4: a motor mechanic. I still mess about with cars. My 914 01:00:31,493 --> 01:00:34,893 Speaker 4: three V six lagooner has been on ninety one ever 915 01:00:34,933 --> 01:00:35,773 Speaker 4: since I got it. 916 01:00:35,853 --> 01:00:38,253 Speaker 3: Not you. At one point when it. 917 01:00:38,213 --> 01:00:40,693 Speaker 4: Was low on gas, I had some fresh ninety eight 918 01:00:40,813 --> 01:00:41,893 Speaker 4: left over from racing. 919 01:00:42,453 --> 01:00:43,173 Speaker 3: Why wasted? 920 01:00:43,213 --> 01:00:46,573 Speaker 4: I thought, after all, the computer will adjust it wrong, 921 01:00:47,253 --> 01:00:51,973 Speaker 4: not in this car anyway. It became virtually undriveable. Fortunately 922 01:00:52,013 --> 01:00:54,653 Speaker 4: it was my wife driving, not me. She was not 923 01:00:54,853 --> 01:00:58,493 Speaker 4: best pleased, thought she would get stranded. It was almost 924 01:00:58,533 --> 01:01:01,493 Speaker 4: worse than limp home mode. When I got to it, 925 01:01:01,533 --> 01:01:04,053 Speaker 4: I wondered how she'd managed to drive it. It was 926 01:01:04,093 --> 01:01:06,693 Speaker 4: a mission to reset the computer as I had no 927 01:01:06,853 --> 01:01:11,053 Speaker 4: scan tool to reset, so battery disconnected, et cetera to 928 01:01:11,093 --> 01:01:14,853 Speaker 4: clear the computer. Then about three adaption runs later and 929 01:01:14,893 --> 01:01:18,253 Speaker 4: it was back to operating close to right. I moved 930 01:01:18,253 --> 01:01:21,013 Speaker 4: it onto ninety five. We don't have ninety eight where 931 01:01:21,053 --> 01:01:23,573 Speaker 4: I am, and I will never change the rating again. 932 01:01:24,173 --> 01:01:26,813 Speaker 4: Some will say it doesn't matter, but in my experience 933 01:01:26,893 --> 01:01:29,613 Speaker 4: it does. And I'm just coming home from a walk 934 01:01:29,653 --> 01:01:33,493 Speaker 4: along the beach to the spit in Malulabar. HIVEH twenty 935 01:01:33,533 --> 01:01:37,813 Speaker 4: one predicted today. That's from Robin time. 936 01:01:39,813 --> 01:01:40,373 Speaker 3: Time to go. 937 01:01:41,893 --> 01:01:48,493 Speaker 2: Finally from Ian Laydon, what a tumultuous week in US politics. 938 01:01:49,013 --> 01:01:52,093 Speaker 2: We have the cardboard cutout that is Joe Biden finally 939 01:01:52,133 --> 01:01:55,173 Speaker 2: exposing what we all knew at a photo of Donald 940 01:01:55,213 --> 01:01:58,693 Speaker 2: Trump defiantly raising his fist in front of an American 941 01:01:58,733 --> 01:02:03,693 Speaker 2: flag after being shot in the ear. I have to 942 01:02:03,733 --> 01:02:06,653 Speaker 2: say that the photo reminded me of the one in 943 01:02:06,733 --> 01:02:11,613 Speaker 2: Iwajima during World War II. One thing is for sure, 944 01:02:12,253 --> 01:02:15,573 Speaker 2: Trump is now heading for a landslide victory. I can 945 01:02:15,613 --> 01:02:18,453 Speaker 2: only imagine the chaos that would have followed in the 946 01:02:18,573 --> 01:02:22,853 Speaker 2: US had the shooter succeeded. Even now, who knows what 947 01:02:23,013 --> 01:02:27,133 Speaker 2: might follow the upcoming election. It will be better than 948 01:02:27,173 --> 01:02:32,853 Speaker 2: the best movie Ian the landslide victory. You know, I 949 01:02:33,933 --> 01:02:39,173 Speaker 2: was almost alone on the radio when I predicted that 950 01:02:39,173 --> 01:02:43,013 Speaker 2: Trump would win in twenty sixteen, and I wasn't surprised 951 01:02:43,053 --> 01:02:44,493 Speaker 2: at all, And everybody's stunned. And what I did to 952 01:02:44,533 --> 01:02:48,413 Speaker 2: know how I knew. I'm not so convinced that it's 953 01:02:48,453 --> 01:02:51,453 Speaker 2: going to be a landslide victory. Part of the reason 954 01:02:52,053 --> 01:02:56,813 Speaker 2: is the same as well, going back to twenty twenty. 955 01:02:56,973 --> 01:03:00,133 Speaker 2: You don't know what they're going to do. You don't 956 01:03:00,173 --> 01:03:03,093 Speaker 2: know how they might do it. You just don't know, 957 01:03:03,213 --> 01:03:06,413 Speaker 2: don't know, don't know. It's been interesting because a producer 958 01:03:06,453 --> 01:03:09,693 Speaker 2: that a lot of people have been taught about. I 959 01:03:09,733 --> 01:03:11,333 Speaker 2: saw a headline, Let's put it this way. I saw 960 01:03:11,373 --> 01:03:15,893 Speaker 2: a headline how far will they go? Referring to the 961 01:03:15,893 --> 01:03:19,573 Speaker 2: Democrats to stop him? And that surprised me for a 962 01:03:19,613 --> 01:03:23,333 Speaker 2: particular reason. But I quickly worked out why. Patently, the 963 01:03:24,093 --> 01:03:26,173 Speaker 2: author of that headline and the article that was under 964 01:03:26,213 --> 01:03:31,213 Speaker 2: it wasn't availing themselves over the lengthy period of time 965 01:03:31,253 --> 01:03:34,173 Speaker 2: that Trump was in office and since as to how 966 01:03:35,573 --> 01:03:37,733 Speaker 2: he was dealt with by the media, and the media 967 01:03:37,773 --> 01:03:42,213 Speaker 2: was less than honest. The media have been corrupt and 968 01:03:42,373 --> 01:03:45,373 Speaker 2: liars from beginning to end. When I say the media, 969 01:03:45,453 --> 01:03:48,693 Speaker 2: not everybody in the media, but the mainstream or legacy 970 01:03:48,773 --> 01:03:54,013 Speaker 2: media as we were referring to it. It's an unknown 971 01:03:54,053 --> 01:03:57,893 Speaker 2: at this point, and this could be. This could be 972 01:03:58,013 --> 01:04:02,533 Speaker 2: even more tumultuous and disruptive to America and the world 973 01:04:02,573 --> 01:04:05,533 Speaker 2: and what we've already seen. I'm not predicting anything. I'm 974 01:04:05,573 --> 01:04:10,413 Speaker 2: just saying, keep the possibilities open mind. Thank you, business producer, 975 01:04:10,653 --> 01:04:12,653 Speaker 2: Thanks later, see you next week. 976 01:04:12,973 --> 01:04:13,933 Speaker 4: Lectures over. 977 01:04:32,133 --> 01:04:32,373 Speaker 3: Now. 978 01:04:32,373 --> 01:04:35,373 Speaker 2: In the introduction, I mentioned that there was a piece 979 01:04:35,413 --> 01:04:38,653 Speaker 2: by Oliver Hardwitch in the New Zealand Initiative, which I 980 01:04:38,693 --> 01:04:42,693 Speaker 2: recommend you read. Europe is now on its own. But 981 01:04:42,893 --> 01:04:46,973 Speaker 2: I have chosen a piece that is written by somebody else, 982 01:04:47,173 --> 01:04:50,893 Speaker 2: C J. Hopkins, And all will be explained at a 983 01:04:50,893 --> 01:04:55,933 Speaker 2: moment C. J. Hopkins, The People's Court of New Normal Germany, 984 01:04:56,453 --> 01:04:58,573 Speaker 2: and I think it will become evident why I have 985 01:04:58,733 --> 01:05:03,453 Speaker 2: chosen this lengthy as it is, every bit of it 986 01:05:02,933 --> 01:05:06,413 Speaker 2: is worthy of our attention. Just when I thought things 987 01:05:06,453 --> 01:05:10,813 Speaker 2: could not possibly get more shocked, kingly totalitarian in New 988 01:05:11,013 --> 01:05:14,733 Speaker 2: normal Germany will or will be explained where I am 989 01:05:14,733 --> 01:05:18,213 Speaker 2: being prosecuted in a criminal court for the second time 990 01:05:18,813 --> 01:05:23,453 Speaker 2: for tweeting. The German authorities have gone and surprised me again. No, 991 01:05:23,613 --> 01:05:27,533 Speaker 2: they haven't established an actual Nazi style people's court yet, 992 01:05:27,893 --> 01:05:30,973 Speaker 2: And of course, there is absolutely no similarity between the 993 01:05:31,013 --> 01:05:35,053 Speaker 2: current German justice system, which is totally fair and democratic 994 01:05:35,133 --> 01:05:39,733 Speaker 2: and a paragon of impartial justice and the rule of law, 995 01:05:39,813 --> 01:05:42,653 Speaker 2: and the People's Court of Berlin during the Nazi era. 996 01:05:43,413 --> 01:05:47,413 Speaker 2: Nor is there any similarity between Nazi Germany and new 997 01:05:47,533 --> 01:05:51,893 Speaker 2: normal Germany, that is modern day Germany. And I would 998 01:05:52,133 --> 01:05:56,213 Speaker 2: never ever suggest that there was, as that would be 999 01:05:56,253 --> 01:06:02,573 Speaker 2: intellectually lazy and tasteless and completely inaccurate and illegal. And well, 1000 01:06:02,733 --> 01:06:05,973 Speaker 2: let me fill you in on the latest. The Berlin 1001 01:06:06,093 --> 01:06:08,813 Speaker 2: Superior Court has set a date for my next sought 1002 01:06:08,853 --> 01:06:13,613 Speaker 2: crime trial. As regular readers will probably recall, my first 1003 01:06:13,653 --> 01:06:17,293 Speaker 2: thought crime trial was in January and ended with my acquittal. 1004 01:06:17,853 --> 01:06:22,173 Speaker 2: So the German authorities are putting me on trial again. Yes, 1005 01:06:22,213 --> 01:06:25,373 Speaker 2: they can do that in Germany. But wait, that's not 1006 01:06:25,453 --> 01:06:29,733 Speaker 2: the best part. The best part is at my new 1007 01:06:29,973 --> 01:06:34,253 Speaker 2: sought crime trial, this time in Berlin's Superior Court. Full 1008 01:06:34,333 --> 01:06:39,373 Speaker 2: scale anti terrorism security protocols will be affected in the courtroom. 1009 01:06:39,693 --> 01:06:43,693 Speaker 2: Everyone will be subjected to TSA style scanning and screening 1010 01:06:44,173 --> 01:06:46,573 Speaker 2: and will have to surrender all their personal possessions and 1011 01:06:46,693 --> 01:06:50,133 Speaker 2: hats and coats and head coverings to the security staff 1012 01:06:50,453 --> 01:06:53,613 Speaker 2: and completely empty their pockets of all items before entering 1013 01:06:53,613 --> 01:06:57,693 Speaker 2: the courtroom. No computers, phones, smart watches or any other 1014 01:06:57,733 --> 01:07:02,053 Speaker 2: potential recording devices will be allowed in the courtroom. Pencils 1015 01:07:02,093 --> 01:07:05,493 Speaker 2: and sheets of paper will purportedly be provided to members 1016 01:07:05,733 --> 01:07:10,373 Speaker 2: of the press by security staff. Members of the press 1017 01:07:10,413 --> 01:07:13,973 Speaker 2: and public will be limited to thirty five and after 1018 01:07:14,093 --> 01:07:18,333 Speaker 2: they have successfully passed their security screening that be cordoned 1019 01:07:18,333 --> 01:07:20,653 Speaker 2: off in the last five rows of the gallery in 1020 01:07:20,733 --> 01:07:24,613 Speaker 2: the very bank of the court room for security reasons 1021 01:07:25,093 --> 01:07:29,693 Speaker 2: and monitored by armed security staff. Now at a benefit 1022 01:07:29,733 --> 01:07:34,613 Speaker 2: of any new readers unfamiliar with me and my case, asaid, 1023 01:07:34,653 --> 01:07:37,893 Speaker 2: everything would be explained. I am not a terrorist. I 1024 01:07:37,893 --> 01:07:41,893 Speaker 2: am an award winning American playwright, novelist and political satirist. 1025 01:07:42,213 --> 01:07:45,093 Speaker 2: Have lived here in Berlin for twenty years. The German 1026 01:07:45,093 --> 01:07:48,453 Speaker 2: authorities have been investigating and prosecuting me since August of 1027 01:07:48,493 --> 01:07:53,493 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. My case has been covered by the Atlantic, 1028 01:07:53,693 --> 01:07:58,173 Speaker 2: Racket News, a Multi polar and many other outbits, so 1029 01:07:58,333 --> 01:08:00,853 Speaker 2: I won't reiterate every little detail here. 1030 01:08:00,893 --> 01:08:01,213 Speaker 3: Again. 1031 01:08:01,893 --> 01:08:07,733 Speaker 2: Basically, I'm being prosecuted for spreading pro Nazi propaganda because 1032 01:08:07,733 --> 01:08:12,133 Speaker 2: I criticize the COVID mask mandates and tweeted the cover 1033 01:08:12,293 --> 01:08:15,373 Speaker 2: artwork of one of my books, The Rise of the 1034 01:08:15,413 --> 01:08:18,973 Speaker 2: New Normal Rank here's the cover artwork of that book, 1035 01:08:19,173 --> 01:08:22,493 Speaker 2: and he shows it on screen online. The other two 1036 01:08:22,533 --> 01:08:26,853 Speaker 2: images are the recent covers of Despiegel and Stern, two 1037 01:08:26,853 --> 01:08:30,813 Speaker 2: well known mainstream German magazines, which are not being prosecuted 1038 01:08:30,853 --> 01:08:36,013 Speaker 2: for spreading pro Nazi propaganda. As anyone even the German 1039 01:08:36,053 --> 01:08:40,133 Speaker 2: authorities can see, the Spiegel cover artwork uses exactly the 1040 01:08:40,173 --> 01:08:43,853 Speaker 2: same concept as the cover artwork of my book. The 1041 01:08:43,893 --> 01:08:47,133 Speaker 2: only difference is the Spiegel schwastiger is covered by the 1042 01:08:47,173 --> 01:08:51,573 Speaker 2: German flag, whereas the schwashticker on my book is covered 1043 01:08:51,573 --> 01:08:55,573 Speaker 2: by a medical mask. Both artworks are obviously intended as 1044 01:08:55,613 --> 01:08:58,893 Speaker 2: warnings of the rise of a new form of totalitarianism. 1045 01:08:59,173 --> 01:09:05,333 Speaker 2: Despiegel was warning about the alternative for Deutschland Party, the AfD, 1046 01:09:05,693 --> 01:09:09,533 Speaker 2: as was Stern with its Swashstiger floating in a Champagne 1047 01:09:09,533 --> 01:09:13,613 Speaker 2: class I was warning about what I dubbed the new 1048 01:09:13,733 --> 01:09:18,813 Speaker 2: normal Reich, the new nascent form of totalitarianism that emerged 1049 01:09:18,893 --> 01:09:23,213 Speaker 2: during twenty twenty to twenty twenty three, which is still 1050 01:09:23,333 --> 01:09:26,173 Speaker 2: very much on the rise, and which is thoroughly documented 1051 01:09:26,213 --> 01:09:29,373 Speaker 2: and analyzed in my book, which book was banned by 1052 01:09:29,413 --> 01:09:32,493 Speaker 2: Amazon in Germany. At the same time, the German authorities 1053 01:09:32,573 --> 01:09:36,413 Speaker 2: launched a criminal investigation of me and instructed Twitter to 1054 01:09:36,613 --> 01:09:40,573 Speaker 2: censor my tweets, which Twitter did. Would be interesting to 1055 01:09:40,573 --> 01:09:43,413 Speaker 2: see how the current owner of what is now x 1056 01:09:43,813 --> 01:09:47,133 Speaker 2: would respond to that. The pretext the court is citing 1057 01:09:47,173 --> 01:09:50,693 Speaker 2: for ordering these anti terrorism security protocols at my trial 1058 01:09:50,773 --> 01:09:54,733 Speaker 2: is ridiculous and infuriating. The court claims that the court 1059 01:09:54,813 --> 01:09:56,973 Speaker 2: room in which my trial is to take place is 1060 01:09:57,253 --> 01:10:03,733 Speaker 2: occasionally used for a certain high security trial. Therefore, according 1061 01:10:03,773 --> 01:10:07,293 Speaker 2: to the court, my trial must also be subjected to 1062 01:10:07,453 --> 01:10:13,093 Speaker 2: anti terrorism security protocols. Seriously, the court sent my attorney 1063 01:10:13,133 --> 01:10:17,333 Speaker 2: a fact setting forth this explanation, which is of course 1064 01:10:17,373 --> 01:10:21,973 Speaker 2: a load of horse droppings. The Berlin Superior Court is 1065 01:10:22,013 --> 01:10:25,333 Speaker 2: a huge building containing multiple court rooms, one or two 1066 01:10:25,413 --> 01:10:29,053 Speaker 2: of which are probably not subject to such anti terrorism 1067 01:10:29,093 --> 01:10:33,653 Speaker 2: security protocols. When high security trials are not taking place 1068 01:10:33,693 --> 01:10:38,213 Speaker 2: in them. No, the imposition of these anti terrorism security 1069 01:10:38,213 --> 01:10:43,733 Speaker 2: protocols is clearly a cynical ploy, intended a to suppress 1070 01:10:43,813 --> 01:10:47,053 Speaker 2: coverage of the trial, b to discourage the press and 1071 01:10:47,093 --> 01:10:51,493 Speaker 2: public from attending, and c to intimidate and harass me 1072 01:10:51,653 --> 01:10:54,653 Speaker 2: and my legal counsel at any members of the press 1073 01:10:54,693 --> 01:10:57,253 Speaker 2: and public who nevertheless attend the trial in spite of 1074 01:10:57,293 --> 01:11:01,413 Speaker 2: these security procedures, that they will be subjected to this 1075 01:11:01,773 --> 01:11:06,333 Speaker 2: cynical tactic, which is not an official press blackout, because 1076 01:11:06,413 --> 01:11:09,293 Speaker 2: journalists can still attend and attempt scribbled notes on their 1077 01:11:09,373 --> 01:11:11,813 Speaker 2: knees with the pencils and sheets of paper provided by 1078 01:11:11,853 --> 01:11:17,133 Speaker 2: the security staff. Comes as no real surprise. As I 1079 01:11:17,213 --> 01:11:20,653 Speaker 2: mentioned above, my case and my first trial got a 1080 01:11:20,653 --> 01:11:24,253 Speaker 2: fair amount of attention from the international press, enough to 1081 01:11:24,293 --> 01:11:27,293 Speaker 2: put the court on notice that my prosecution was being watched, 1082 01:11:27,573 --> 01:11:30,213 Speaker 2: as though it's no mystery why the German authorities would 1083 01:11:30,213 --> 01:11:33,893 Speaker 2: want to discourage any reporting on my do over trial 1084 01:11:34,453 --> 01:11:38,373 Speaker 2: in Superior Court. Also, the gallery was filled to capacity 1085 01:11:38,453 --> 01:11:41,813 Speaker 2: at my original trial in January, where I delivered a 1086 01:11:41,893 --> 01:11:45,213 Speaker 2: rather unusual closing statement to the court, which was then 1087 01:11:45,333 --> 01:11:47,133 Speaker 2: published and disseminated widely. 1088 01:11:47,173 --> 01:11:47,733 Speaker 3: In Germany. 1089 01:11:48,613 --> 01:11:52,173 Speaker 2: So again it is no real mystery why the Superior 1090 01:11:52,213 --> 01:11:55,213 Speaker 2: Court wants to discourage members of the public from attending 1091 01:11:55,293 --> 01:11:58,293 Speaker 2: this new trial by threatening to subject them to these 1092 01:11:58,613 --> 01:12:04,173 Speaker 2: humiliating security protocols, and why it has limited the gallery 1093 01:12:04,213 --> 01:12:08,733 Speaker 2: size to only thirty five seats. I assume the German authorities, 1094 01:12:09,013 --> 01:12:12,573 Speaker 2: and by authorities I mean the Berlin District Prosecutor's office, 1095 01:12:12,973 --> 01:12:17,613 Speaker 2: the Berlin District Court and whatever other authorities are intent 1096 01:12:17,733 --> 01:12:20,853 Speaker 2: on punishing me and making an example of me for 1097 01:12:20,973 --> 01:12:25,133 Speaker 2: daring to criticize the government's edicts during twenty twenty to 1098 01:12:25,133 --> 01:12:31,053 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, that is suspension of the constitutional rights, 1099 01:12:31,853 --> 01:12:38,253 Speaker 2: mask mandates, segregation, the banning of protests, etc. I assume 1100 01:12:38,293 --> 01:12:41,813 Speaker 2: these authorities are particularly motivated to prevent the press from 1101 01:12:41,853 --> 01:12:45,693 Speaker 2: covering this second trial in Superior Court, because, from what 1102 01:12:45,773 --> 01:12:49,413 Speaker 2: I understand of the German legal system, they are going 1103 01:12:49,493 --> 01:12:54,293 Speaker 2: to do me. Do comes in qrites do me, that is, 1104 01:12:54,373 --> 01:12:58,853 Speaker 2: convict me this time. The way the German legal system 1105 01:12:58,973 --> 01:13:05,093 Speaker 2: works if they want to do you is one, you 1106 01:13:05,133 --> 01:13:08,333 Speaker 2: are acquitted in the lower criminal court too, the district 1107 01:13:08,373 --> 01:13:12,093 Speaker 2: prosecutor appeals the verdict to the Superior Court. Three, the 1108 01:13:12,253 --> 01:13:17,973 Speaker 2: Superior Court overturns your acquittal, and then four the prosecution 1109 01:13:18,293 --> 01:13:21,773 Speaker 2: court goes back to the original criminal court, which stages 1110 01:13:21,933 --> 01:13:25,013 Speaker 2: a new trial at which you'll be found guilty, because 1111 01:13:25,053 --> 01:13:28,533 Speaker 2: once the superior court has overruled your acquittal, the criminal 1112 01:13:28,573 --> 01:13:33,773 Speaker 2: court will convict you based on the superior court's ruling. 1113 01:13:34,253 --> 01:13:39,573 Speaker 2: There's almost parallel, certainly a sample of what Trump's been 1114 01:13:39,573 --> 01:13:42,933 Speaker 2: going through in the States. At which point you will 1115 01:13:42,973 --> 01:13:46,893 Speaker 2: appeal and on and on and on. It will go 1116 01:13:47,453 --> 01:13:51,093 Speaker 2: until you're broke, or until you give up fighting because 1117 01:13:51,133 --> 01:13:57,093 Speaker 2: you're just so effing exhausted. I'm not making this up. 1118 01:13:57,733 --> 01:14:00,773 Speaker 2: This is how the People's Court of New Normal Germany, 1119 01:14:00,933 --> 01:14:04,853 Speaker 2: that is, the post COVID German justice system, which again 1120 01:14:05,133 --> 01:14:08,093 Speaker 2: bears no resemblance whatsoever to the People's Court of Berlin 1121 01:14:08,453 --> 01:14:11,853 Speaker 2: Nazi Germany, or to the courts in the Soviet Union 1122 01:14:11,933 --> 01:14:15,693 Speaker 2: during the Stalin era, or any other totalitarian justice system. 1123 01:14:16,133 --> 01:14:21,013 Speaker 2: Close brackets. This is how it works in New Normal Germany. 1124 01:14:21,573 --> 01:14:23,933 Speaker 2: If you are a critic of the authorities and refuse 1125 01:14:24,013 --> 01:14:27,933 Speaker 2: to meekly accept whatever punishment they want to summarily dish 1126 01:14:27,933 --> 01:14:31,893 Speaker 2: out for whatever they deem to be your thought crimes. 1127 01:14:33,373 --> 01:14:37,373 Speaker 2: Ai fabler I hope you're listening to this, but hey, 1128 01:14:37,733 --> 01:14:40,173 Speaker 2: at least they're not going to take me out and 1129 01:14:40,213 --> 01:14:42,453 Speaker 2: put me up against a wall and shoot me like 1130 01:14:42,493 --> 01:14:46,413 Speaker 2: they did with political criminals in Nazi Germany and the USSR. 1131 01:14:46,813 --> 01:14:48,973 Speaker 2: So I suppose I should be grateful. I have to 1132 01:14:49,013 --> 01:14:52,173 Speaker 2: work on that. If you think my case is an aberration, 1133 01:14:53,133 --> 01:14:57,493 Speaker 2: it isn't. There are many many other people critics of 1134 01:14:57,533 --> 01:15:00,693 Speaker 2: the government's COVID measures during the twenty twenty to twenty 1135 01:15:00,733 --> 01:15:04,173 Speaker 2: three period who are being persecuted and made examples of. 1136 01:15:05,053 --> 01:15:07,813 Speaker 2: Most of these people do not have the financial resources 1137 01:15:07,853 --> 01:15:11,613 Speaker 2: to pay law is to fight these prosecutions, so they 1138 01:15:11,893 --> 01:15:16,533 Speaker 2: plead guilty to the charges and pay the fines, which 1139 01:15:16,573 --> 01:15:19,333 Speaker 2: are typically much less than what they would face in 1140 01:15:19,413 --> 01:15:23,293 Speaker 2: attorney's fees. Being somewhat of a public figure, I thought 1141 01:15:23,333 --> 01:15:26,973 Speaker 2: it was my responsibility not to do that. I'm extremely 1142 01:15:26,973 --> 01:15:29,933 Speaker 2: grateful to everyone who has donated to my legal defense fund, 1143 01:15:30,293 --> 01:15:33,493 Speaker 2: which is how I've been able to cover my legal expenses. 1144 01:15:34,493 --> 01:15:38,133 Speaker 2: There's enough left in that fund to cover this next 1145 01:15:38,173 --> 01:15:41,813 Speaker 2: trial in Superior Court, so I'm okay for now. Financially. 1146 01:15:42,733 --> 01:15:46,373 Speaker 2: I mentioned that because people are already asking how they 1147 01:15:46,373 --> 01:15:50,173 Speaker 2: can send me money, what people can do if they 1148 01:15:50,293 --> 01:15:53,773 Speaker 2: want to do something helpful is make as much noise 1149 01:15:53,813 --> 01:15:57,773 Speaker 2: as possible about what's happening, not just in Germany but 1150 01:15:58,093 --> 01:16:03,373 Speaker 2: throughout all the West. Because what is happening is well 1151 01:16:04,013 --> 01:16:06,853 Speaker 2: what I tried to capture and analyze in my book. 1152 01:16:07,173 --> 01:16:11,373 Speaker 2: The powers that be are going totalitarian on us. They 1153 01:16:11,413 --> 01:16:14,533 Speaker 2: are gradually and not so gradually, phasing out the so 1154 01:16:14,693 --> 01:16:18,653 Speaker 2: called liberal or democratic rights and principles that it was 1155 01:16:18,693 --> 01:16:22,053 Speaker 2: necessary to plicate the Western masses with during the Covid 1156 01:16:22,093 --> 01:16:25,173 Speaker 2: War era, which it is no longer necessary to do 1157 01:16:25,733 --> 01:16:30,293 Speaker 2: beyond a certain superficial point. I have published three books 1158 01:16:30,333 --> 01:16:34,533 Speaker 2: of essays documenting this transition to a new global capitalist 1159 01:16:34,613 --> 01:16:38,333 Speaker 2: form of totalitarianism. So I'm not going to go on 1160 01:16:38,533 --> 01:16:41,493 Speaker 2: and on about it here, but that's what all the 1161 01:16:41,533 --> 01:16:47,413 Speaker 2: censorship is about. That's what all the manufactured hysteria, fermented hatred, fanaticism, 1162 01:16:47,893 --> 01:16:52,133 Speaker 2: the permanent state of emergency and crisis and culture wars, 1163 01:16:52,373 --> 01:16:55,613 Speaker 2: the cults of personality, the bombardment of our minds with 1164 01:16:56,013 --> 01:17:00,933 Speaker 2: absolutely meaningless nonsense, the naked displays of force, the blatant 1165 01:17:01,013 --> 01:17:06,053 Speaker 2: instrumentalization of the justice system to punish political dissonance, not 1166 01:17:06,133 --> 01:17:10,733 Speaker 2: just here in Germany but throughout the democratic West, democratic 1167 01:17:10,813 --> 01:17:15,453 Speaker 2: being again in quotes, that is what all this is about. 1168 01:17:16,333 --> 01:17:18,653 Speaker 2: So I'll keep my readers posted on the details of 1169 01:17:18,693 --> 01:17:22,573 Speaker 2: my upcoming trial in Berlin Superior Court. My attorney is 1170 01:17:22,693 --> 01:17:26,613 Speaker 2: objecting to these security protocols. Of course, we'll see how 1171 01:17:26,653 --> 01:17:29,573 Speaker 2: that goes. In the meantime. Instead of sending me money 1172 01:17:29,613 --> 01:17:32,733 Speaker 2: this time, maybe try to step back from all the 1173 01:17:32,773 --> 01:17:36,893 Speaker 2: mass hysteria and hatred that we're being inundated with and 1174 01:17:36,973 --> 01:17:41,453 Speaker 2: see the big picture. It isn't pretty. Help spread the 1175 01:17:41,493 --> 01:17:45,413 Speaker 2: word about the new totalitarianism, about the phasing out of 1176 01:17:45,453 --> 01:17:48,933 Speaker 2: our democratic rights. I don't care which side of whatever 1177 01:17:49,013 --> 01:17:54,173 Speaker 2: you're on Trump, Biden, Palestine, Israel, the culture wars, the 1178 01:17:54,253 --> 01:17:59,453 Speaker 2: cancel campaigns, covid elon musk Russia, whatever, and neither do 1179 01:17:59,573 --> 01:18:02,173 Speaker 2: the powers that be. Take a step back and try 1180 01:18:02,173 --> 01:18:04,773 Speaker 2: to see the bigger picture, the forest instead of just 1181 01:18:04,813 --> 01:18:07,893 Speaker 2: the trees, and then make us much noise about it 1182 01:18:08,973 --> 01:18:13,573 Speaker 2: as you can. We are heading somewhere, very ugly, somewhere 1183 01:18:13,573 --> 01:18:16,853 Speaker 2: most of us can't imagine. Some of us will get 1184 01:18:16,893 --> 01:18:20,533 Speaker 2: there first, but all of us will be there together eventually. 1185 01:18:21,333 --> 01:18:24,133 Speaker 2: My story is just one example of what it'll be 1186 01:18:24,293 --> 01:18:28,333 Speaker 2: like there in that ugly place. It isn't really a 1187 01:18:28,373 --> 01:18:31,013 Speaker 2: story about Germany. It's a story about the end of 1188 01:18:31,053 --> 01:18:35,133 Speaker 2: the myth of democracy and the rule of law and 1189 01:18:35,333 --> 01:18:40,053 Speaker 2: all that good stuff. As Frank Zapper once so eloquently explained, 1190 01:18:41,053 --> 01:18:43,333 Speaker 2: the illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's 1191 01:18:43,373 --> 01:18:46,973 Speaker 2: profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the 1192 01:18:47,013 --> 01:18:51,173 Speaker 2: illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take 1193 01:18:51,253 --> 01:18:55,013 Speaker 2: down the scenery. They'll pull back the curtains, they'll move 1194 01:18:55,093 --> 01:18:57,733 Speaker 2: the tables and chairs out of the way, and you 1195 01:18:57,773 --> 01:19:00,493 Speaker 2: will see the brick wall at the back of the theater. 1196 01:19:01,773 --> 01:19:05,213 Speaker 2: It's something to be hold. That brick wall is especially 1197 01:19:05,533 --> 01:19:09,253 Speaker 2: up close and personal. You'll see when you get there. 1198 01:19:10,253 --> 01:19:14,613 Speaker 2: I'll save you a seat. Now, I know that was lengthy, 1199 01:19:15,293 --> 01:19:18,733 Speaker 2: but I would have run sixteen odd minutes. But the 1200 01:19:18,773 --> 01:19:21,853 Speaker 2: point being that there is a message there that I 1201 01:19:21,933 --> 01:19:25,533 Speaker 2: believe needs to be respected. You can say only time 1202 01:19:25,573 --> 01:19:30,533 Speaker 2: will tell, and I'd go with that. But nevertheless, here, there, 1203 01:19:30,573 --> 01:19:34,613 Speaker 2: and everywhere there are things taking place that, unless they're stymied, 1204 01:19:34,733 --> 01:19:38,893 Speaker 2: unless they're terminated at this point, will pick up a pace. 1205 01:19:39,333 --> 01:19:42,133 Speaker 2: Don't just ask me our CJ. Hopkins, and ask lots 1206 01:19:42,133 --> 01:19:45,893 Speaker 2: of other people. Ask the people in the in the 1207 01:19:45,933 --> 01:19:52,373 Speaker 2: Free Sweets Union, just what they're confronted with, and you'd think, 1208 01:19:53,413 --> 01:19:56,813 Speaker 2: why would it ever happen here? The answer is simply, 1209 01:19:56,853 --> 01:19:59,413 Speaker 2: in the end, it can. And that is where we 1210 01:19:59,453 --> 01:20:04,413 Speaker 2: shall depart, probably, thank goodness from podcast number two hundred 1211 01:20:04,413 --> 01:20:06,893 Speaker 2: and forty eight. Don't forget if you'd like to correspond. 1212 01:20:06,973 --> 01:20:11,373 Speaker 2: I love your correspondents on anything and everything today on 1213 01:20:11,453 --> 01:20:16,253 Speaker 2: this podcast, I should say probably. The mail is latent 1214 01:20:16,333 --> 01:20:20,333 Speaker 2: at Newstalk SIB dot co dot Nz, Carolyn at NEWSTALKSB 1215 01:20:20,453 --> 01:20:21,773 Speaker 2: dot co dot Nz. 1216 01:20:22,573 --> 01:20:24,173 Speaker 3: Love your correspondence. 1217 01:20:24,173 --> 01:20:26,973 Speaker 2: All some good stuff in podcasts two four eight, So 1218 01:20:28,173 --> 01:20:31,133 Speaker 2: we shall rejoin you very shortly, and don't forget part 1219 01:20:31,173 --> 01:20:36,293 Speaker 2: two of Ramesh the Kur in two forty nine. And 1220 01:20:36,333 --> 01:20:38,893 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to two fifty for more than one reason, 1221 01:20:39,013 --> 01:20:42,813 Speaker 2: but we'll reveal that at the time. So all that 1222 01:20:42,973 --> 01:20:45,693 Speaker 2: is left to say is thank you so much for listening, 1223 01:20:45,813 --> 01:20:47,133 Speaker 2: and we shall talk soon. 1224 01:20:54,973 --> 01:20:59,013 Speaker 1: Thank you for more from Newstalk sed B. Listen live 1225 01:20:59,173 --> 01:21:01,893 Speaker 1: on air or online, and keep our shows with you 1226 01:21:01,973 --> 01:21:04,973 Speaker 1: wherever you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio