WEBVTT - The Panel with Wilhelmina Shrimpton and Mark Crysell: Did we get enough notice about the storms?

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<v Speaker 2>when can renovating add the greatest value to your investment?

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<v Speaker 2>taking your cause and your reckons on that as well,

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<v Speaker 2>us the difficult question about how much shit you should

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<v Speaker 2>try to manage, if at all, your children's friendships or

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<v Speaker 2>dare I say relationships? Got the bad boyfriend, the bad girlfriend?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it time to move down, time to shift schools.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know it's happened. I think it might have

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<v Speaker 2>even happened with my mom awhile back. Actually now I

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<v Speaker 2>think of it. Thanks to that I'm around, which is good. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about that how much should we

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<v Speaker 2>interfere with our child's our children's friendships? And before sex

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<v Speaker 2>will rat sport with Superman Christopher Reeve, who is going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the upcoming Auckland def se. We got

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<v Speaker 2>a lot lot happening on the sports front, the Warriors,

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<v Speaker 2>super Rugby, So yeah, it's all happening here on the

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<v Speaker 2>Weekend Collective. It is coming up to nine minutes past.

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<v Speaker 1>Three, debating all the issues and more. It's the panel

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<v Speaker 1>on the Weekend Collective on News Talk said.

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<v Speaker 2>B Yes, and well. A couple of season journalists join

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<v Speaker 2>us for the panel, some perhaps more season than the others.

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<v Speaker 2>They're looking at each other in shock, as if there's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be some argument about who's the most season.

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<v Speaker 2>Season just means you've been around more than six months

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<v Speaker 2>in this business anyway. So first things first, I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to think why I'm going with ladies. First, shall we say,

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<v Speaker 2>Willelmina Shrimpton, Hello, Willemina, Hello, how.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you good?

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<v Speaker 2>Nice to see you?

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<v Speaker 3>Well season, well seasoned, salted blickord whatever you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds going to sting take night.

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<v Speaker 3>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just the reason I joke about that with Wilhelmina

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<v Speaker 2>is because she's just joyously in love with her. And

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<v Speaker 2>who's running touch today? Actually on he's not reffing today. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>good stuff, which is more work, I imagine. Riffing is hard.

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<v Speaker 3>Reefing definitely reefing.

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<v Speaker 2>And the silver Fox himself there's it's I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how to put it. That's smart price, you're throw away.

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<v Speaker 4>You've always find a way away with basted, I think

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<v Speaker 4>than oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, salted pepper and.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, sultann pepper. Where should well beyond the salt

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<v Speaker 4>and pepper. It's more salt.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, distinguished, gentleman, distinguished, not quite yet.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, have you have you how long have

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<v Speaker 3>you have you been?

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<v Speaker 2>Silver focused? There's some people who go silver or gray

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<v Speaker 2>quite early, but it suits that. No, I was early.

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<v Speaker 4>My granddad was completely gray at the age of eighteen,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think yeah, And I started seeing mine going

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<v Speaker 4>gray during gray hairs during my twenties. But a number

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<v Speaker 4>of my fellow former TV people, specially the front ones, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>died there here for a long time. But you can

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<v Speaker 4>always tell.

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<v Speaker 5>With the guy you can.

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<v Speaker 4>You can always. Don't know why that is, but you can't.

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<v Speaker 5>And you've got to make sure your eyebrows match as well.

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<v Speaker 5>You get your eyebrows and read it. And and what

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<v Speaker 5>do they call it?

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<v Speaker 3>Man escaping?

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<v Speaker 4>Man escaping? Something else, isn't it? Actually, let's move on.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually have you ever have you ever sort of escaped?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like this.

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<v Speaker 4>Just at the time, I really must go, But thanks

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<v Speaker 4>for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been great.

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<v Speaker 5>Great.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Mark cries or ladies and gentlemen closed the door.

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<v Speaker 5>On the well basted and on his way out wasted,

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<v Speaker 5>I'd say, well basted.

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<v Speaker 2>It does it does sound like February the fourteenth, activity

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't it anyway? Look, actually, I've got a confession. I

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<v Speaker 2>was just going to say, yes, it's not as exciting

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<v Speaker 2>as you might think. So while we're getting ready for

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<v Speaker 2>the show, we got the yeah did you get and

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I did immediately went shut up and okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And I realized I didn't even read that. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>bother I think probably because I was in a newsroom

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought, if there's anything I need to know,

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<v Speaker 2>i'll hear it. Apart from that, and I did notice

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<v Speaker 2>it said that there's been storm warning and it said

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<v Speaker 2>by two fifteen question mark, and then they released and

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<v Speaker 2>said by three o'clock. But I can tell everyone by

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<v Speaker 2>the way that the storm thunderstorm warning has been lifted.

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<v Speaker 5>But did you guys read it?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you guess?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>And it was extended to three o'clock. It had very

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<v Speaker 4>COVID like vibes. Remember that we used to get those

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<v Speaker 4>stressed me out case in the community, that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>It feels a little bit like an overreaction to me,

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<v Speaker 4>because I think a lot of people were angry that

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<v Speaker 4>they weren't tipped off about the damn downpour we got

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<v Speaker 4>in Auckland and the thunderstorms last night. So I feel

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<v Speaker 4>like they're going, Okay, now we think something's going to happen,

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to let you know as quick as possible.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's the weather. It's not totally predictable. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not like to a point. I mean, that's their job.

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<v Speaker 2>But in terms of localization, whether the thunderstorm is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be just off the coast or a few hundred meters,

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<v Speaker 2>it can make a big difference to where to where

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<v Speaker 2>it impacts.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like they get a bit of a bad rap.

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<v Speaker 5>They do a pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>Job all things considered.

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<v Speaker 5>I think they're pretty good at predicting the worst weather.

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<v Speaker 5>But like you say, it's mother nature. That sister changes

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<v Speaker 5>her mind often, you know, and all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 5>it will completely change.

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<v Speaker 3>And I feel like when.

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<v Speaker 5>It's happening, to then keep updating people as it's happening,

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<v Speaker 5>then that's great.

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<v Speaker 3>Pick it up. But I think they get a really

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<v Speaker 3>bad rap. It's changeable.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and they've got a bad rap over last night's store,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think this is what they've reacted to. I

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<v Speaker 4>think they've put that out. I mean, I was so

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<v Speaker 4>worried about it that I hopped on a pushbike and

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<v Speaker 4>rode into the studio.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I saw you with your helmet. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>you're brave.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm still wearing that though, just in case.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually do you I mean, are you all weather cyclist?

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<v Speaker 4>A pretty much? Yeah, that's yeah. But that's the thing

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<v Speaker 4>I like about it, that you're out in the open

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<v Speaker 4>and all kind of weathers. If it's there are very

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<v Speaker 4>few days I won't ride my buy.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, you're very brave. I feel like this is

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<v Speaker 5>the case with anything though that happens. If there's a

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<v Speaker 5>big news event or a big situation or incident, all

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<v Speaker 5>of a sudden, we overcompensate for the fact that there

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<v Speaker 5>may or may not have been enough notifications ahead of

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<v Speaker 5>the time. And I meant, the one thing that always

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<v Speaker 5>sticks out in my mind, and this would have been

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<v Speaker 5>years and yars ago actually, when I was still at

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<v Speaker 5>TV and Z and working on the assignment's desk, and

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<v Speaker 5>there was a big fatal gas explosion out in South Auckland.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 5>It was salta cartage or some kind of welding business

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<v Speaker 5>that was happening, and it was as a result of

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<v Speaker 5>a gas leak, and I remember before that, there were

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<v Speaker 5>notifications about gas leaks all the time. There are fifty

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<v Speaker 5>sixty of them per day. And then as soon as

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<v Speaker 5>that happened, every single gas leak we would send the

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<v Speaker 5>camera crew out to just in case. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It was that overreaction after it happens.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and weather events, we love them, did we love weather?

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<v Speaker 4>And a reporter standing out in the windy, rainy day

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<v Speaker 4>in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Piece to camera huge and the big you know, is

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<v Speaker 2>it sort of like a passage for a generally goes

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<v Speaker 2>on your sky reel for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, but last night was insane crazy. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually our house shook from the force of that

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<v Speaker 4>thunder and lightning. It was my eyes closed, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the curtains open. It was like there was somebody who

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<v Speaker 4>was welding in front of me. It was insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I slept through it.

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<v Speaker 5>What do you know? I was. I was up last

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<v Speaker 5>night going there won't be a single person in Auckland

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<v Speaker 5>who's asleep right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I found did wake up at some stage. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it's be course of thunderment. Maybe in St.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell Is it didn't quite wasn't quite as localized as

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<v Speaker 2>were you guys.

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<v Speaker 4>Are my very climate?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe is where about you?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm on I'm in Milford on the north Shore.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, I got the feeling it was slightly away

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<v Speaker 2>from us. But I was. I do the thing of

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<v Speaker 2>when I see a flash of lightning out the window,

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<v Speaker 2>I go one year two, it's three hundred meters.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one for one killing me.

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<v Speaker 2>No, a speed of sound is three hundred meters a second.

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<v Speaker 2>So isn't it great that that you can come here

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<v Speaker 2>and learn something?

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't happen often. Let me tell you, right, I

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<v Speaker 3>would say.

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<v Speaker 2>The same to Mark if if he said the same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>I would be you know. Actually, the thing is, let's

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<v Speaker 2>get back to that alerts. Much as it's fun to

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<v Speaker 2>point out the science of sound waves and the speed

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<v Speaker 2>they're traveling on the medium, if you're underwater and you

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<v Speaker 2>heard the lightning, it would be different because sound travels

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<v Speaker 2>something serious.

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<v Speaker 3>But just wait, there's more.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, should are you expecting to get alerts? Because

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<v Speaker 2>it would be annoying. It's a no win situation for them.

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<v Speaker 2>They get damned if they do. I just think, look,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's a thunderstorm, surely, if it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>in your area, you should make sure that the hatches

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<v Speaker 2>are bad and down and that anything's that things are

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<v Speaker 2>tied up. Do we need a warning for a I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you can argue it either way, can't you.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's been like all the tsunami warnings that

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<v Speaker 4>people actually go to the beach to look at it,

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, and nothing ever happens, you know, So

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think one of the things is they felt

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<v Speaker 4>that the emergency services weren't probably prepared last night for

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<v Speaker 4>what happened. We had some serious flooding around the place.

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<v Speaker 5>We were lucky it wasn't worse than it was, which

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<v Speaker 5>is which is good news. But there was a saying

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<v Speaker 5>that my mum always says, She's like, it's better to

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<v Speaker 5>have it and not need it.

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<v Speaker 3>They need it and not have it. So it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>better to have that.

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<v Speaker 5>Warning and then not need it, then not have the

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<v Speaker 5>warning and not have it.

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<v Speaker 3>Full wanders, full armed, right, I got lost.

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<v Speaker 2>There there were so many knots. I'm not sure if

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<v Speaker 2>we were saying that it was a positive. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you say that a knot on a knot need

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<v Speaker 2>it not And I'm like, is that a positive have it.

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<v Speaker 3>And not need it?

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<v Speaker 5>They need it?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you women?

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<v Speaker 5>Explaining to me?

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<v Speaker 3>I am and will plating well explaining.

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<v Speaker 5>I like that.

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<v Speaker 4>On the other hand, my sister says, it's a beautiful

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<v Speaker 4>day in Wellington.

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<v Speaker 3>Today and you can't beat Wellington on a good day nearly.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, what a lovely way to finish that one off.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we flogged that one to death. Now now

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<v Speaker 2>this look I have, I'm not sure what I think

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<v Speaker 2>about this two x two stories. So the police have

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed several new investigations into alleged sexual abuse within the church.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there is and originally made the news because there

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<v Speaker 2>is there's a national MP, Hamish Campbell, who is involved

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<v Speaker 2>with the church, and before more information came out, it

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to be that he was just being he was

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<v Speaker 2>sort of being made the story for being a member

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<v Speaker 2>of a church when people had misbehaved. And I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you should interview every Catholic and say you member the

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic Church. And I guess it's the question about when

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<v Speaker 2>is someone being a member of a little sect like

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<v Speaker 2>Gloria Veil relevant to their job and when do you

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<v Speaker 2>pull them into the story, even though there's no question

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<v Speaker 2>of whether he's involved in that at all. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think the mistake he made was he didn't quite disclose

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<v Speaker 2>how connected he was with the community, sort of played

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<v Speaker 2>it down a bit. But I sort of think it

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<v Speaker 2>brings so many questions up. Do we do we should

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<v Speaker 2>we all know what people's wacky views are religious?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if they're MPs, I think it's probably a good

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<v Speaker 4>thing that we know what their wacky views are, so

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<v Speaker 4>you know what they're voting for.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing though. But religion, I mean, somebody who's

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<v Speaker 2>an atheist might say that anyone who believes in religious

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<v Speaker 2>and is barking mad. But we but we trust that

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<v Speaker 2>people put their religions then you can make a choice.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>So if it's not out there and it's hidden, and

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<v Speaker 4>this is described as a secretive, you know, well private secretive.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if you're going to just have to

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<v Speaker 5>disclose what your religious alignment is or beliefs are. I

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<v Speaker 5>think that you should disclose every single thing that you're

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<v Speaker 5>aligned with. That could be your your hobbies, it could

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<v Speaker 5>be a social group, it could but you know, I

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<v Speaker 5>you know, sports.

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<v Speaker 4>Group hobbies, don't go to beliefs as much. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>like somebody who is Catholic for example. You know, we're

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<v Speaker 4>not picking on Catholics today, but someone who is a

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<v Speaker 4>Catholic scientologists or scientologists, old Mormons or anyway. But if

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<v Speaker 4>someone's a Catholic may have very strong views on abortion, right.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you know that about them and you have

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<v Speaker 4>opposite views, then you you can make an informed decision

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<v Speaker 4>on whether you vote for that person or not. I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's important that we know more about the backgrounds,

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<v Speaker 4>and we know with what's happened in the Green Party recently.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, those sorts of things that if they are

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<v Speaker 4>kept out of the public eye and they come out,

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<v Speaker 4>then it can come out in a distorted way.

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<v Speaker 3>And people are shocked when they do come out.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the reservation I had was and earlier

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<v Speaker 2>in the days when there was a question of some

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<v Speaker 2>there's allegations of sexual abuse, then immediately you go knocking

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<v Speaker 2>on the door of the MP saying you're a member

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<v Speaker 2>of this church, and it was sort of like tying

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<v Speaker 2>him into sexual abuse when when there's no evidence whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess I don't know, maybe it was just

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<v Speaker 2>the way it was reported.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought it's just a one news story' talking about Yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Like any organization though.

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<v Speaker 5>If there's an organization where there is something controversial that

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<v Speaker 5>goes on and that organization is under the microscope and

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<v Speaker 5>all you work for that organization, oh well you must

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<v Speaker 5>know something, you must they must be involved this kind

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<v Speaker 5>of Yeah, there's that that awkwardness, right that by association

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<v Speaker 5>you seem to have known something or have something to

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<v Speaker 5>do with it. And that's not necessarily fair, but it's

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<v Speaker 5>what the conclusion that everyone jumps to and.

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<v Speaker 4>Guilt by association is never a good thing. But he

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<v Speaker 4>is also probably the highest profile member of this church.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard of him sick.

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<v Speaker 5>Come on, he's got the notable role. So therefore that

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<v Speaker 5>it brings in the headlight.

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<v Speaker 2>One does get the feeling forgetting Hamish Campbell, but one

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<v Speaker 2>does get the feeling that this particular organization has got

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of heat coming its way because I

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<v Speaker 2>see that there are more more investigations, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Not just in New Zealand, around the world as well.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I mean, you know, who knows there's not

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<v Speaker 4>always smoke with his fire, or was that fire with

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<v Speaker 4>his smoked?

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to see when Christopher luxon and church, what

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<v Speaker 2>what his church is actually, Like, I know it's a

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<v Speaker 2>home church, No, no, I just want to see if

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<v Speaker 2>he stands there waving his hands in their taping side.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think it's pinned costal. So it's one of

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<v Speaker 4>the New York They'll be full on. It's full on.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like a rock concert.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, yeah, yeah, yeah, we actually I'm surprised that we

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<v Speaker 2>actually haven't been allowed into that church.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>In that point, I mean, I think he was unfairly

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<v Speaker 4>targeted a little bit because of his religious beliefs in

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<v Speaker 4>the beginning. And I think people tried to go after

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<v Speaker 4>him because he was a Christian. And I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>unlike America, you can get elected in New Zealand if

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<v Speaker 4>you say you don't believe in God. But on the

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<v Speaker 4>other hand, of people have a very strong faith, then

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<v Speaker 4>they're often looked upon and I don't know if that's fair.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm sting someone who's an atheist as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm an atheist, yeah, but and yet I was

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<v Speaker 2>raised and I think a country that's founded on Christian

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<v Speaker 2>values and all that sort of stuff, that seems less

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<v Speaker 2>controversial for people to be a member of some churches

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<v Speaker 2>rather than others.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like there's lots of people as well who

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<v Speaker 5>family had a religious kind of alignment and they were

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<v Speaker 5>baptized and then all of a sudden that they don't

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<v Speaker 5>have any connection to religion.

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<v Speaker 3>What I was never at times?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think do you think that we could America

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<v Speaker 2>will ever elect a president that's not a Christian, that

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<v Speaker 2>is actually that is an avowed non Christian. There we go,

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<v Speaker 2>because I mean, you can't tell me that Donald Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, really game.

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<v Speaker 4>Can't we get through this without talking about him?

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<v Speaker 5>No, let's not. Let's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll tell you what. We're going to move on.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, I think the next topic is a fairly

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<v Speaker 2>weighty one before we move on to some slightly brighter,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of happier topics. So we might take the break.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>This is News Talk sai'd Be. This is the Weekend Collective,

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<v Speaker 2>my panelists Mark Kreisel and Wilhelmina Shrimpton, and we'll be

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