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Speaker 2: and after five for the parents' Squad, Catherine Burkett joins
Speaker 2: us the difficult question about how much shit you should
Speaker 2: try to manage, if at all, your children's friendships or
Speaker 2: dare I say relationships? Got the bad boyfriend, the bad girlfriend?
Speaker 2: Is it time to move down, time to shift schools.
Speaker 2: I don't know it's happened. I think it might have
Speaker 2: even happened with my mom awhile back. Actually now I
Speaker 2: think of it. Thanks to that I'm around, which is good. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about that how much should we
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Speaker 1: Three, debating all the issues and more. It's the panel
Speaker 1: on the Weekend Collective on News Talk said.
Speaker 2: B Yes, and well. A couple of season journalists join
Speaker 2: us for the panel, some perhaps more season than the others.
Speaker 2: They're looking at each other in shock, as if there's
Speaker 2: going to be some argument about who's the most season.
Speaker 2: Season just means you've been around more than six months
Speaker 2: in this business anyway. So first things first, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to think why I'm going with ladies. First, shall we say,
Speaker 2: Willelmina Shrimpton, Hello, Willemina, Hello, how.
Speaker 1: Are you good?
Speaker 2: Nice to see you?
Speaker 3: Well season, well seasoned, salted blickord whatever you know?
Speaker 2: Sounds going to sting take night.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 2: It's just the reason I joke about that with Wilhelmina
Speaker 2: is because she's just joyously in love with her. And
Speaker 2: who's running touch today? Actually on he's not reffing today. Yeah,
Speaker 2: good stuff, which is more work, I imagine. Riffing is hard.
Speaker 3: Reefing definitely reefing.
Speaker 2: And the silver Fox himself there's it's I don't know
Speaker 2: how to put it. That's smart price, you're throw away.
Speaker 4: You've always find a way away with basted, I think
Speaker 4: than oh.
Speaker 3: Well, salted pepper and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, sultann pepper. Where should well beyond the salt
Speaker 4: and pepper. It's more salt.
Speaker 5: Now, distinguished, gentleman, distinguished, not quite yet.
Speaker 3: By the way, have you have you how long have
Speaker 3: you have you been?
Speaker 2: Silver focused? There's some people who go silver or gray
Speaker 2: quite early, but it suits that. No, I was early.
Speaker 4: My granddad was completely gray at the age of eighteen,
Speaker 4: and I think yeah, And I started seeing mine going
Speaker 4: gray during gray hairs during my twenties. But a number
Speaker 4: of my fellow former TV people, specially the front ones, yeah,
Speaker 4: died there here for a long time. But you can
Speaker 4: always tell.
Speaker 5: With the guy you can.
Speaker 4: You can always. Don't know why that is, but you can't.
Speaker 5: And you've got to make sure your eyebrows match as well.
Speaker 5: You get your eyebrows and read it. And and what
Speaker 5: do they call it?
Speaker 3: Man escaping?
Speaker 4: Man escaping? Something else, isn't it? Actually, let's move on.
Speaker 2: Actually have you ever have you ever sort of escaped?
Speaker 2: I feel like this.
Speaker 4: Just at the time, I really must go, But thanks
Speaker 4: for having me.
Speaker 3: It's been great.
Speaker 5: Great.
Speaker 2: It was Mark cries or ladies and gentlemen closed the door.
Speaker 5: On the well basted and on his way out wasted,
Speaker 5: I'd say, well basted.
Speaker 2: It does it does sound like February the fourteenth, activity
Speaker 2: doesn't it anyway? Look, actually, I've got a confession. I
Speaker 2: was just going to say, yes, it's not as exciting
Speaker 2: as you might think. So while we're getting ready for
Speaker 2: the show, we got the yeah did you get and
Speaker 2: you know what I did immediately went shut up and okay,
Speaker 2: And I realized I didn't even read that. I didn't
Speaker 2: bother I think probably because I was in a newsroom
Speaker 2: and I thought, if there's anything I need to know,
Speaker 2: i'll hear it. Apart from that, and I did notice
Speaker 2: it said that there's been storm warning and it said
Speaker 2: by two fifteen question mark, and then they released and
Speaker 2: said by three o'clock. But I can tell everyone by
Speaker 2: the way that the storm thunderstorm warning has been lifted.
Speaker 5: But did you guys read it?
Speaker 3: Did you guess?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 4: And it was extended to three o'clock. It had very
Speaker 4: COVID like vibes. Remember that we used to get those
Speaker 4: stressed me out case in the community, that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: It feels a little bit like an overreaction to me,
Speaker 4: because I think a lot of people were angry that
Speaker 4: they weren't tipped off about the damn downpour we got
Speaker 4: in Auckland and the thunderstorms last night. So I feel
Speaker 4: like they're going, Okay, now we think something's going to happen,
Speaker 4: We're going to let you know as quick as possible.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it's the weather. It's not totally predictable. It's
Speaker 2: not like to a point. I mean, that's their job.
Speaker 2: But in terms of localization, whether the thunderstorm is going
Speaker 2: to be just off the coast or a few hundred meters,
Speaker 2: it can make a big difference to where to where
Speaker 2: it impacts.
Speaker 5: I feel like they get a bit of a bad rap.
Speaker 5: They do a pretty good.
Speaker 3: Job all things considered.
Speaker 5: I think they're pretty good at predicting the worst weather.
Speaker 5: But like you say, it's mother nature. That sister changes
Speaker 5: her mind often, you know, and all of a sudden
Speaker 5: it will completely change.
Speaker 3: And I feel like when.
Speaker 5: It's happening, to then keep updating people as it's happening,
Speaker 5: then that's great.
Speaker 3: Pick it up. But I think they get a really
Speaker 3: bad rap. It's changeable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they've got a bad rap over last night's store,
Speaker 4: and I think this is what they've reacted to. I
Speaker 4: think they've put that out. I mean, I was so
Speaker 4: worried about it that I hopped on a pushbike and
Speaker 4: rode into the studio.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I saw you with your helmet. I was like,
Speaker 3: you're brave.
Speaker 4: I'm still wearing that though, just in case.
Speaker 2: Actually do you I mean, are you all weather cyclist?
Speaker 4: A pretty much? Yeah, that's yeah. But that's the thing
Speaker 4: I like about it, that you're out in the open
Speaker 4: and all kind of weathers. If it's there are very
Speaker 4: few days I won't ride my buy.
Speaker 5: But yeah, you're very brave. I feel like this is
Speaker 5: the case with anything though that happens. If there's a
Speaker 5: big news event or a big situation or incident, all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, we overcompensate for the fact that there
Speaker 5: may or may not have been enough notifications ahead of
Speaker 5: the time. And I meant, the one thing that always
Speaker 5: sticks out in my mind, and this would have been
Speaker 5: years and yars ago actually, when I was still at
Speaker 5: TV and Z and working on the assignment's desk, and
Speaker 5: there was a big fatal gas explosion out in South Auckland.
Speaker 3: I can't remember.
Speaker 5: It was salta cartage or some kind of welding business
Speaker 5: that was happening, and it was as a result of
Speaker 5: a gas leak, and I remember before that, there were
Speaker 5: notifications about gas leaks all the time. There are fifty
Speaker 5: sixty of them per day. And then as soon as
Speaker 5: that happened, every single gas leak we would send the
Speaker 5: camera crew out to just in case. You know.
Speaker 3: It was that overreaction after it happens.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and weather events, we love them, did we love weather?
Speaker 4: And a reporter standing out in the windy, rainy day
Speaker 4: in the.
Speaker 2: Piece to camera huge and the big you know, is
Speaker 2: it sort of like a passage for a generally goes
Speaker 2: on your sky reel for sure.
Speaker 4: Hey, but last night was insane crazy. Oh my god.
Speaker 4: I actually our house shook from the force of that
Speaker 4: thunder and lightning. It was my eyes closed, you know,
Speaker 4: the curtains open. It was like there was somebody who
Speaker 4: was welding in front of me. It was insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I slept through it.
Speaker 5: What do you know? I was. I was up last
Speaker 5: night going there won't be a single person in Auckland
Speaker 5: who's asleep right now.
Speaker 2: I found did wake up at some stage. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's be course of thunderment. Maybe in St.
Speaker 2: Hell Is it didn't quite wasn't quite as localized as
Speaker 2: were you guys.
Speaker 4: Are my very climate?
Speaker 2: Maybe is where about you?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm on I'm in Milford on the north Shore.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I got the feeling it was slightly away
Speaker 2: from us. But I was. I do the thing of
Speaker 2: when I see a flash of lightning out the window,
Speaker 2: I go one year two, it's three hundred meters.
Speaker 3: It's one for one killing me.
Speaker 2: No, a speed of sound is three hundred meters a second.
Speaker 2: So isn't it great that that you can come here
Speaker 2: and learn something?
Speaker 3: It doesn't happen often. Let me tell you, right, I
Speaker 3: would say.
Speaker 2: The same to Mark if if he said the same thing,
Speaker 2: I would be you know. Actually, the thing is, let's
Speaker 2: get back to that alerts. Much as it's fun to
Speaker 2: point out the science of sound waves and the speed
Speaker 2: they're traveling on the medium, if you're underwater and you
Speaker 2: heard the lightning, it would be different because sound travels
Speaker 2: something serious.
Speaker 3: But just wait, there's more.
Speaker 2: I mean, should are you expecting to get alerts? Because
Speaker 2: it would be annoying. It's a no win situation for them.
Speaker 2: They get damned if they do. I just think, look,
Speaker 2: if there's a thunderstorm, surely, if it's going to be
Speaker 2: in your area, you should make sure that the hatches
Speaker 2: are bad and down and that anything's that things are
Speaker 2: tied up. Do we need a warning for a I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can argue it either way, can't you.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's been like all the tsunami warnings that
Speaker 4: people actually go to the beach to look at it,
Speaker 4: Oh my god, and nothing ever happens, you know, So
Speaker 4: I mean, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Speaker 4: And I think one of the things is they felt
Speaker 4: that the emergency services weren't probably prepared last night for
Speaker 4: what happened. We had some serious flooding around the place.
Speaker 5: We were lucky it wasn't worse than it was, which
Speaker 5: is which is good news. But there was a saying
Speaker 5: that my mum always says, She's like, it's better to
Speaker 5: have it and not need it.
Speaker 3: They need it and not have it. So it's it's
Speaker 3: better to have that.
Speaker 5: Warning and then not need it, then not have the
Speaker 5: warning and not have it.
Speaker 3: Full wanders, full armed, right, I got lost.
Speaker 2: There there were so many knots. I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: we were saying that it was a positive. You know,
Speaker 2: when you say that a knot on a knot need
Speaker 2: it not And I'm like, is that a positive have it.
Speaker 3: And not need it?
Speaker 5: They need it?
Speaker 2: Are you women?
Speaker 5: Explaining to me?
Speaker 3: I am and will plating well explaining.
Speaker 5: I like that.
Speaker 4: On the other hand, my sister says, it's a beautiful
Speaker 4: day in Wellington.
Speaker 3: Today and you can't beat Wellington on a good day nearly.
Speaker 2: Indeed, what a lovely way to finish that one off.
Speaker 2: I think we flogged that one to death. Now now
Speaker 2: this look I have, I'm not sure what I think
Speaker 2: about this two x two stories. So the police have
Speaker 2: confirmed several new investigations into alleged sexual abuse within the church.
Speaker 2: Now there is and originally made the news because there
Speaker 2: is there's a national MP, Hamish Campbell, who is involved
Speaker 2: with the church, and before more information came out, it
Speaker 2: seemed to be that he was just being he was
Speaker 2: sort of being made the story for being a member
Speaker 2: of a church when people had misbehaved. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: you should interview every Catholic and say you member the
Speaker 2: Catholic Church. And I guess it's the question about when
Speaker 2: is someone being a member of a little sect like
Speaker 2: Gloria Veil relevant to their job and when do you
Speaker 2: pull them into the story, even though there's no question
Speaker 2: of whether he's involved in that at all. But I
Speaker 2: think the mistake he made was he didn't quite disclose
Speaker 2: how connected he was with the community, sort of played
Speaker 2: it down a bit. But I sort of think it
Speaker 2: brings so many questions up. Do we do we should
Speaker 2: we all know what people's wacky views are religious?
Speaker 4: Well, if they're MPs, I think it's probably a good
Speaker 4: thing that we know what their wacky views are, so
Speaker 4: you know what they're voting for.
Speaker 2: That's the thing though. But religion, I mean, somebody who's
Speaker 2: an atheist might say that anyone who believes in religious
Speaker 2: and is barking mad. But we but we trust that
Speaker 2: people put their religions then you can make a choice.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: So if it's not out there and it's hidden, and
Speaker 4: this is described as a secretive, you know, well private secretive.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you're going to just have to
Speaker 5: disclose what your religious alignment is or beliefs are. I
Speaker 5: think that you should disclose every single thing that you're
Speaker 5: aligned with. That could be your your hobbies, it could
Speaker 5: be a social group, it could but you know, I
Speaker 5: you know, sports.
Speaker 4: Group hobbies, don't go to beliefs as much. You know,
Speaker 4: like somebody who is Catholic for example. You know, we're
Speaker 4: not picking on Catholics today, but someone who is a
Speaker 4: Catholic scientologists or scientologists, old Mormons or anyway. But if
Speaker 4: someone's a Catholic may have very strong views on abortion, right.
Speaker 4: So if you know that about them and you have
Speaker 4: opposite views, then you you can make an informed decision
Speaker 4: on whether you vote for that person or not. I
Speaker 4: think it's important that we know more about the backgrounds,
Speaker 4: and we know with what's happened in the Green Party recently.
Speaker 4: You know, those sorts of things that if they are
Speaker 4: kept out of the public eye and they come out,
Speaker 4: then it can come out in a distorted way.
Speaker 3: And people are shocked when they do come out.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 2: I think that the reservation I had was and earlier
Speaker 2: in the days when there was a question of some
Speaker 2: there's allegations of sexual abuse, then immediately you go knocking
Speaker 2: on the door of the MP saying you're a member
Speaker 2: of this church, and it was sort of like tying
Speaker 2: him into sexual abuse when when there's no evidence whatsoever.
Speaker 2: And I guess I don't know, maybe it was just
Speaker 2: the way it was reported.
Speaker 4: I thought it's just a one news story' talking about Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Like any organization though.
Speaker 5: If there's an organization where there is something controversial that
Speaker 5: goes on and that organization is under the microscope and
Speaker 5: all you work for that organization, oh well you must
Speaker 5: know something, you must they must be involved this kind
Speaker 5: of Yeah, there's that that awkwardness, right that by association
Speaker 5: you seem to have known something or have something to
Speaker 5: do with it. And that's not necessarily fair, but it's
Speaker 5: what the conclusion that everyone jumps to and.
Speaker 4: Guilt by association is never a good thing. But he
Speaker 4: is also probably the highest profile member of this church.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of him sick.
Speaker 5: Come on, he's got the notable role. So therefore that
Speaker 5: it brings in the headlight.
Speaker 2: One does get the feeling forgetting Hamish Campbell, but one
Speaker 2: does get the feeling that this particular organization has got
Speaker 2: a little bit of heat coming its way because I
Speaker 2: see that there are more more investigations, and.
Speaker 4: Not just in New Zealand, around the world as well.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, you know, who knows there's not
Speaker 4: always smoke with his fire, or was that fire with
Speaker 4: his smoked?
Speaker 2: I'd love to see when Christopher luxon and church, what
Speaker 2: what his church is actually, Like, I know it's a
Speaker 2: home church, No, no, I just want to see if
Speaker 2: he stands there waving his hands in their taping side.
Speaker 4: So I think it's pinned costal. So it's one of
Speaker 4: the New York They'll be full on. It's full on.
Speaker 4: It's like a rock concert.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, yeah, yeah, we actually I'm surprised that we
Speaker 2: actually haven't been allowed into that church.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: In that point, I mean, I think he was unfairly
Speaker 4: targeted a little bit because of his religious beliefs in
Speaker 4: the beginning. And I think people tried to go after
Speaker 4: him because he was a Christian. And I think, you know,
Speaker 4: unlike America, you can get elected in New Zealand if
Speaker 4: you say you don't believe in God. But on the
Speaker 4: other hand, of people have a very strong faith, then
Speaker 4: they're often looked upon and I don't know if that's fair.
Speaker 4: And I'm sting someone who's an atheist as well.
Speaker 2: So I'm an atheist, yeah, but and yet I was
Speaker 2: raised and I think a country that's founded on Christian
Speaker 2: values and all that sort of stuff, that seems less
Speaker 2: controversial for people to be a member of some churches
Speaker 2: rather than others.
Speaker 5: I feel like there's lots of people as well who
Speaker 5: family had a religious kind of alignment and they were
Speaker 5: baptized and then all of a sudden that they don't
Speaker 5: have any connection to religion.
Speaker 3: What I was never at times?
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think that we could America
Speaker 2: will ever elect a president that's not a Christian, that
Speaker 2: is actually that is an avowed non Christian. There we go,
Speaker 2: because I mean, you can't tell me that Donald Trump's
Speaker 2: you know, really game.
Speaker 4: Can't we get through this without talking about him?
Speaker 5: No, let's not. Let's not.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll tell you what. We're going to move on.
Speaker 2: In fact, I think the next topic is a fairly
Speaker 2: weighty one before we move on to some slightly brighter,
Speaker 2: sort of happier topics. So we might take the break.
Speaker 5: Now.
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