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Speaker 2: Hello you Great New Zealand's Welcome to Mattin Tyler Afternoons

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Speaker 2: Podcast number one two for Friday, the fourth of April

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Speaker 2: in the Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty five. Fantastic

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Speaker 2: show today. At the start of the show, we say

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Speaker 2: we're going to do a bunch of topics and as

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Speaker 2: usual we don't get around to them because we were

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Speaker 2: derailed by the Mano and Nui report. Yeah, damning report

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Speaker 2: came through and so we talked to a lot of

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Speaker 2: experts and a lot of supposed experts about that report

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Speaker 2: that came through. But salacious and shocking stuff. We did

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Speaker 2: that minecraft chat. We finally got to it. We've been

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Speaker 2: teasing it for a couple of couple of days and yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. We need to tell you what's what

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Speaker 2: we talked about in the first hour because you'll hear

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Speaker 2: about it very soon at the start of the show.

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Speaker 3: And New Zealand of the Week and you'll never guess

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Speaker 3: who the winner is this week. Holy Moorly controversial, ery, controversial.

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Speaker 2: Huge, huge surprise. Well anyway, thanks for listening, Set to download, follow, etc.

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Speaker 2: Maybe give us a review if you like it. Five

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Speaker 2: star review would be nice. Wherever you can give a

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Speaker 2: review anyway. Yeah, I have a great New Zealand and

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Speaker 2: give the taste. KEEPI from me.

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Speaker 1: Love you big stories, the leak issues, the big trends

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Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 3: Talk said me, good afternoon, see you welcome in to Friday.

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Speaker 3: I hope you're doing well. I certainly am.

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Speaker 2: Get a madie, get a time. Can I say something

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Speaker 2: controversial please? Look my power isn't out, and look I'm

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Speaker 2: not experiencing any kind of flooding sit for downstairs at

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: But I'm quite enjoying the dramatic nature of this weather.

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Speaker 2: I flew up from christ today, walking into the airport

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Speaker 2: from my hotel, it was just bucketing down. It was

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Speaker 2: dark and it was gloomy, and it was dramatic. After

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Speaker 2: what's been a fantastic summer up here, it was a

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Speaker 2: great run. It was quite nice to just be being

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Speaker 2: bucketed upon with you.

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Speaker 3: And again to anybody who's having a bit of hard

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Speaker 3: time now, feel for you.

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Speaker 2: But I love a storm.

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Speaker 3: I love a good storm.

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Speaker 2: Good storm, it's good storm. Yeah, absolutely, we're calling it

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Speaker 2: an atmospheric river. Is that what they're calling it? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: something like that?

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Speaker 3: Is that new? Did they just come up with that?

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Speaker 3: That phrases that has been imported from overseas river sayings?

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Speaker 2: Because there's also of course that you know, a wee

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Speaker 3: They Yeah, we're a bomb atmospheric river. I mean, they're

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Speaker 3: great names. They come dro up some images. But to

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Speaker 3: today's show, and today is the day, people, this is big.

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Speaker 3: We will have our winner of the New Way competition.

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Speaker 3: So just to remind you what the grand prize is,

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Speaker 3: a return flights for four to the beautiful New Way Island,

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Speaker 3: seven nights for four and two deluxe rooms including daily breakfast,

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Speaker 3: choice of either a one day fishing charter four to

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Speaker 3: four or a day's dive snorkeling charter, seven day vehicle

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Speaker 3: rental and an island to all thanks to New Way Island.

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Speaker 3: That is a huge price.

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Speaker 2: That's going to be a fantastic trip for four lucky

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Speaker 2: New Zealanders.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so there is still time to enter a huge

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Speaker 3: number of you have already entered the competition, but if

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Speaker 3: you haven't, you need to hit the news talk zeb

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Speaker 3: dot co dot nzied slash invention. Now you can submit

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Speaker 3: any of the answers from the last four days. Entries

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Speaker 3: close at two pm.

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Speaker 2: Should we give the answers away now to make it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it all right. So on Monday we

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Speaker 3: On Tuesday we asked what island is bigger? Raratonga or

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Speaker 3: There we go, beautiful big island. On Wednesday we asked

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's so easy, one to insulting question. It's so easy.

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Speaker 2: Three point five hours, three and a half hours.

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Speaker 3: Everyone knows that. And yesterday we asked what American magazine

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Speaker 3: named New Way the place to go in twenty twenty five?

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Speaker 3: And may might I say the only island to make

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Speaker 3: There you go, that's whys here people, But those are

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Speaker 3: the answers. So if you go to news Talk zb

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Speaker 3: you can still get in for that ultimate grand prize

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Speaker 3: and we will announce that after three o'clock. Also after

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Speaker 3: three o'clock new Zealander of the Week?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who will it be? Your suggestions? On nine two

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Speaker 2: nine two we appreciated who is your new Zealander of

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Speaker 2: the week. And remember, like the Time magazine to mention

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Speaker 2: Time Magazine again, then a person of the year. They're

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Speaker 2: not always an agent of good. No, they've just had

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Speaker 2: an outsized effect on the news of the past seven days.

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Speaker 3: All right, okay, exactly, So we want the villains and

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Speaker 3: heroes nine two nine two for the suggestions after two o'clock.

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Speaker 3: A great story in the hero generation Minecraft. It is

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Speaker 3: gaming has been demonized and the research I think is

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Speaker 3: pretty clear that most games actually increase mental acuity in children,

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Speaker 2: Well, especially Minecraft. I mean, if you want your kids

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Speaker 2: playing a game that's creative. You can't just wipe out

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Speaker 2: all games because you know, there was a feeling that

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Speaker 2: there was a feeling that all watching television was brain rot.

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Speaker 2: Comic books were brain rot. At one point, my mum

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Speaker 2: books like those books a brain rot. Get outside, stop

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Speaker 2: reading The Lord of the Rings, Stop reading June. But yeah.

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Speaker 2: A study of nearly two thousand children found that kids

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Speaker 2: and working memory compared to children who had never played.

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Speaker 2: So are we freaking out too much about video games?

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Speaker 2: Or are They're different video games with different results. And

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Speaker 2: there's Minecraft just the good one, whereas Fortnite is rotting

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to that discussion after talk clock. But right now,

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Speaker 3: let's have a chat about our new free policy. A

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Speaker 3: column in The Hero by Matthew Houghton in the headline

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Speaker 3: nuclear free policy, and he makes the argument, obviously, there

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Speaker 3: clearly things have been changing for some time. And when

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Speaker 3: you look at our nuclear free policy that was brought

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Speaker 2: Yeah. He points out that nuclear powered cargo ships are

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Speaker 2: being developed to replace the world's one hundred thousand strong

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Speaker 2: you know, tankers freight, then we're going to have to

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Speaker 2: drop this. The Act currently prohibits entry into the internal

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Speaker 2: So are we still into that, Do we still agree

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Speaker 3: You got to stay back in nineteen eighty seven when

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Speaker 3: lot of worry about the weapons, and that's fair enough too.

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Speaker 2: French were testing nuclear weapons in our backyard, so understandably

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Speaker 3: And when you look at the environmental situation with nuclear power,

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Speaker 3: there's no doubt about it. I mean we mentioned here

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Speaker 3: transition to nuclear generation. There is no doubt nuclear when

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Speaker 3: it comes to the environment, is far better than cold generation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you talk to the merchant vessels, you know,

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Speaker 2: the renewed interest in applying this applying this section now

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. How should we

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Speaker 3: were quite rightly, very proud of it back in the eighties.

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Speaker 3: But has the world changed significantly and the demonization of

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Speaker 3: Love to hear from you on, oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt and Taylor afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be good afternoon. Now we are talking about new clear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, can you please? There's four thousand people just texted

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Speaker 2: nine two nine two Tyler. Once again, you're butchering the

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Speaker 3: Right Robert who teachs Dan and I think it was Jason,

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Speaker 3: Use your fricking years. I was saying new clear, new clear.

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Speaker 3: Let you say it.

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Speaker 2: You were on with them. You're butchering it. Jesus a Friday,

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Speaker 2: you were saying new q lear, new quir You're missing it.

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Speaker 3: Up here we go? Can you clear?

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Speaker 2: Hey, I've got a controversial to stay before we get

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Speaker 2: into this conversation around you know the act that currently

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Speaker 2: prohibates the entry into New Zealand waters of ships? Why

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Speaker 2: or partly dependent on nuclear power? That because someone's texted boys,

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Speaker 2: I can smell the uranium on your breath. Of course,

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Speaker 2: we shouldtain the idea of nuclear power not only in

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Speaker 2: merchant marine vessels, but in modular modern power generation regards. Craig,

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Speaker 2: I agree. I disagree that that was what he come

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Speaker 2: back from David longie, I can smell the uranium when

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Speaker 2: your breath. I don't think that was that great. We

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Speaker 2: celebrated as an incredibly good line. That's I don't thought

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Speaker 2: it was all right. I don't think it's that great.

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Speaker 2: I think David long has some fantastic lines guy, but it.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't his top. It's never done for me in the

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Speaker 3: top ten, No, right? Nine two? Was that a very

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Speaker 3: witty line from David LONGI.

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Speaker 2: Had bitter ones.

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Speaker 3: You're not sold on it.

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Speaker 2: If you remember David longee send us through some of

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Speaker 2: his bitter lines and I can smell the uranium on

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Speaker 2: your breath anyway? Is it time to move on from

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Speaker 2: our prohibiting of holy or partially powered and nuclear vessels

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Speaker 2: into our country? Pete? Your thoughts?

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Speaker 6: Thyland tylerant?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I reckon, it's.

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Speaker 2: Just Tyl You just just Tyler or you want to

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Speaker 2: talk to me as wells? Sorry, no, Pete, Tyler and

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Speaker 9: So they in the day.

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Speaker 2: A really weird situation where we said where it we'll

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Speaker 3: Eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 2: There are heaps of great opportunities out there for business leaders,

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Speaker 3: Spading has development lots available from three thousand to fifty

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspakers the mic asking breakfast, it's.

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Speaker 10: This new world of terriffs. What happens next? Does it

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Speaker 11: It's a shockingly radical shift in policy that you increase

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Speaker 1: There's saw a set of tariffs that are in the

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Speaker 3: There's twenty six past one, and I give it to

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Speaker 2: One was better there anyway, that's not what we're talking about. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this one says, guys, nuclear weapons were absolutely

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Speaker 3: Nuclear power is completely different now and it's not terrified.

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Speaker 3: It's time we separated those two concepts. One hundred and

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Speaker 9: I just thought i'd throw a couple of thoughts out

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Speaker 8: Safe to safe?

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Speaker 9: Look, you know, mother nature has a way of disrupting

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Speaker 9: The Fiji is buying a nuclear powered vessel. Right, So

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Speaker 3: having a similar a similar argument over in Australia. But

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Speaker 3: is that technology ready to go? Is that the game changer?

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Speaker 9: It is not ready to go in the sense that

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Speaker 9: it's it's not commercially ready. But there are I don't know,

443
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Speaker 9: there must be half a dozen, so I guess you'd

444
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Speaker 9: call them test test reactivists that are being built in

445
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Speaker 9: the UK in the United States at the moment. So

446
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Speaker 9: they're being built, they're being operated, they're being tested. But

447
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Speaker 9: these things, you know, it's not like a COVID vaccine,

448
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Speaker 9: right you roll it out and you release it the

449
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Speaker 9: next day. There's a decade of testing to be done

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Speaker 9: before they're reallyting to commercialize it. But it's well advanced.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very interesting.

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Speaker 2: So, Tony, I'm assuming that you would support moving on

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Speaker 2: from the act that prohibits the entry into New Zealand Waters.

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Speaker 9: Of Oh absolutely, absolutely.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I think we're crazy not to be. I mean it's

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Speaker 9: coming ready or not?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I Meani's buying one good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And Australia is getting nuclear subs. So we're going

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Speaker 2: to say to our best mates from ANZAC no, we're

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Speaker 2: not going to have your subs visiting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Nothing against Fiji, but we can't let them beat

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Speaker 3: us on this front.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for your call, Tony, appreciate it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call. How do you feel about our nuclear free

468
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Speaker 3: policies at time? To review it, get rid of it.

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Speaker 3: Considering the state of the world right now, it is

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Speaker 3: twenty seven to two.

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Speaker 2: This Texas is Tony is also modulent more in the

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Speaker 2: last five minutes than I have in my entire life.

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Speaker 2: That's from mars Liga.

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Speaker 5: He was.

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Speaker 17: Jus talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

476
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Speaker 17: no trouble with a blue bubble. A scathing report into

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Speaker 17: the sinking of the Manuanui ship has unearthed a spate

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Speaker 17: of incompetencies and inadequate procedures which ultimately contributed to the incident.

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Speaker 17: The Court of Inquiry maintains it was human errors by

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Speaker 17: two people, which directly led to the Navy ship running

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Speaker 17: aground on a Sarmon reef. In October, homicide investigations been

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Speaker 17: launched after a man was found dead in the Wellington

483
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Speaker 17: suburb of Northland. Earlier this week, sixty five year old

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Speaker 17: Simon Byrd was discovered outside in o'amali Road, a property

485
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Speaker 17: on Tuesday. Actually, it doesn't believe strong opposition to the

486
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Speaker 17: Treaty Principal's bill is in line with the public's view.

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Speaker 17: Of more than three hundred thousand and submissions, ninety percent

488
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Speaker 17: were opposed, but David Seymour's pointing out a majority of

489
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Speaker 17: submitters were opposed to his end of life choice bill,

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Speaker 17: which passed in a referendum. Heavy downpolls and strong winds

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Speaker 17: have closed roads and cut par across parts of the

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Speaker 17: North Island and Top of the South. Emergency services are

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Speaker 17: working to rescue two people trapped in a vehicle stuck

494
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Speaker 17: in floodwaters and Nelson. There are no serious injuries. What's

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Speaker 17: next for New Zealand stocks after a poor first quarter?

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Speaker 17: Find out more at Ends and Herald Premium. Back to

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Speaker 17: matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lane. Interesting news about the Manawanui.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the crew and commanding officer of the Navy

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Speaker 2: ship Manuwanui were undertrained and the boat was not up

501
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Speaker 2: to the task it was doing when it grounded on

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Speaker 2: the summer and reef. Multiple failures of the crew, the ship,

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Speaker 2: and the Navy itself have been identified, and a damning

504
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Speaker 2: report by a Quarter of Inquiry into the sinking of

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Speaker 2: the off the coast Summer and October Wow, which occurred

506
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Speaker 2: after it was left and right flight the port, is

507
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Speaker 2: a full transcript I'd like to read that of the

508
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Speaker 2: drastic night. So it was conducting hydrographic surveys off the

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Speaker 2: reef that neither the ship nor the crew were equipped

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Speaker 2: to do when it ran aground. This is damning.

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Speaker 3: That is very down.

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Speaker 2: So one hundred and thirty million dollars they say, I mean,

513
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Speaker 2: I think we bought it. What'll we buy it for?

514
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Speaker 2: About one hundred but you know they say one hundred

515
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Speaker 2: and thirty or something is the cost. That's that's pretty

516
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Speaker 2: that's pretty bad. The crew and the commanding officer of

517
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Speaker 2: the Navy ship were undertrained.

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Speaker 3: With the line. There there was no one on board

519
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Speaker 3: who was qualified enough to carry out the hydrographic survey.

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Speaker 3: And work that the ship was tasked with doing, and

521
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Speaker 3: the ship itself was not cleared for the work. The

522
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Speaker 3: court found that is it is insanity.

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Speaker 2: That is a very expensive humiliator right there.

524
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Speaker 3: Oh man, Yeah right. There's going to be a lot

525
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Speaker 3: more to come on that as the afternoon progresses.

526
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Speaker 2: But right now, I did a David Longi impersonation before.

527
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Speaker 2: Let's see how it stacks up.

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Speaker 18: What I should like to know, sir, is why you

529
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Speaker 18: don't do the rible and the consistent things and pull

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Speaker 18: out of the ansers alliance for whether you are snuggling

531
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Speaker 18: up to the bomb or living in the peaceful shadow

532
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Speaker 18: of the bomb, New Zealand benefits, sir. And that's the

533
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Speaker 18: question with which we charge you, and that's the question

534
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Speaker 18: with which we would like an answer, sir.

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Speaker 19: And I'm going to give it to you.

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Speaker 11: If you hold your breath just for a moment, I

537
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Speaker 11: could smell the uranium moment as you.

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Speaker 2: Lean I got a good bit of applause there. I

539
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Speaker 2: just don't think it's that great a joke.

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Speaker 3: Well, if he stole it as well from somebody else,

541
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Speaker 3: then yeah, come on, David.

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Speaker 2: If you're leaning forward, LOO can smell the rumonium on

543
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Speaker 2: your brick.

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Speaker 3: That's better. That is much better. Oh e one hundred

545
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Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. And

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Speaker 3: we are talking of course about the nuclear free policy

547
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Speaker 3: that we have in this country. As a time we

548
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Speaker 3: get rid of it or certainly review it. Love to

549
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Speaker 3: hear your thoughts, teachs coming through it.

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Speaker 2: Ben says, I hope the new theory is a nucleipout.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's on the table.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, good idea, though it's not our choice.

553
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Speaker 2: If a nuclear warship calls into Auckland Port, what are

554
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Speaker 2: we going to do? Give them a tech Donald has

555
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Speaker 2: not heard of arcus. We need them, they don't need us.

556
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Speaker 3: It's a good point if they do turn up here.

557
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Speaker 3: I don't think there's too much we can do about

558
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Speaker 3: it at that point.

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Speaker 2: That's the question that that's been raised here. And look,

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Speaker 2: I'm non nuclear physicists, as a lot of people point out, Yeah,

561
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Speaker 2: excused to me. I am a brain surgeon, but I'm

562
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Speaker 2: not a nuclear physicis okay, right? Anyway, I am a

563
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Speaker 2: rocket scientist, So awesome, park your nuclear ship and the port,

564
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Speaker 2: plug it and get ten thousand houses powered for free.

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Speaker 2: I've just been interested to know how powerful the reactors

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Speaker 2: on these subs are and on these vessels are. How

567
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Speaker 2: much could they power one of the story. I could

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Speaker 2: be wrong that the you know, at the collapse of

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Speaker 2: the Soviet Union and you know, they would just caught

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Speaker 2: a lot of money. They were like, join a nuclear

571
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Speaker 2: powership to plug into your gred Am I right for

572
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Speaker 2: saying that? Well they said that to us, Yeah, I think,

573
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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The Russians were like, we can't pay for their butter

576
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Speaker 2: we've bought and that meat we've bought. Would you like

577
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Speaker 2: one of our subs?

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Speaker 3: And we said no. Obviously we said no. We should

579
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Speaker 3: have taken it, pack it up in a littleton. It

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Speaker 3: could have powered the South Island. Maybe one hundred eighty

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Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: Gary agrees with me that it's not a great joke

583
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Speaker 2: from Longie. How did he know what uranium smells like?

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Speaker 2: Not a great joke.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty deep, Gary, It's pretty deep, I.

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Speaker 2: Think Alex credibility religate a comment off the cuff comment

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Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty five, n T.

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Speaker 3: Did you love long E's joke?

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Speaker 16: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Your nay? Let us.

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Speaker 2: Darryl, Welcome to the shows.

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Speaker 20: Yes, good afternoon, Hey guys, my brother is a director

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Speaker 20: of one of the ferry companies in Canada. Yeah, and

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Speaker 20: there was a meeting with all the ferry companies in

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Speaker 20: Halifax so late last year and just so that they

596
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Speaker 20: all get together and have a look at what's happening now.

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Speaker 20: The company called Maritime Atlantic, which is owned by the government,

598
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Speaker 20: have a brand new ferry that they leased from a

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Speaker 20: company in England which was manufactured in China, and they

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Speaker 20: were told at the time not to purchase it. They

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Speaker 20: leased it for five years and they were told not

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Speaker 20: to purchase it because within five years most of the

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Speaker 20: ferries in the world and a lot of the ships

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Speaker 20: will be run by nuclear.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's interesting.

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Speaker 20: And two of the general dynamics that people have built

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Speaker 20: the or the build the submarines for the US Navy,

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Speaker 20: the nuclear submarines. Two of their chief engineers or whatever

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Speaker 20: nuclear physicists, they've gone out on their own, two separate companies,

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Speaker 20: and they're building a nuclear power unit that fits in

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Speaker 20: a twenty foot container. And a lot of the ships

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Speaker 20: and ferries they expect to be switched over to these.

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Speaker 20: They just cut a hole in the deck, drop it

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Speaker 20: down into the bottom of the ship. Look it up

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Speaker 20: to electric motors and away they go. Well, but they

616
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Speaker 20: were told not to buy the ferry.

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Speaker 21: Wow.

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Speaker 20: And the fairy is similar to what we're getting here

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Speaker 20: or what they've booked up for here, but I think

620
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Speaker 20: slightly larger and they have an eighteen hour trip.

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Speaker 2: It's about five years sort of period before new firies

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Speaker 2: come online.

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Speaker 20: Well, yeah, they will be coming into effect as long

624
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Speaker 20: as last as these guys can get the things.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 20: The thing is that you don't have to refuel them

627
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Speaker 20: for twenty years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, we definitely have to repel this act

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Speaker 2: if we were going to have firies going back and

630
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Speaker 2: forth on the Cook Straight and a nuclear pass.

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Speaker 20: I was going to try to get hold of Winston

632
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Speaker 20: and tell them about that, to get them to check

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Speaker 20: that out, because to be told not to buy a

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Speaker 20: fairy yeah until yeah, for five years and the existing

635
00:31:02,853 --> 00:31:06,053
Speaker 20: ferry that they've got, the new one has the capacity

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Speaker 20: to be switched over to nuclear.

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Speaker 2: Right, So I wonder if that is being considered at all,

638
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Speaker 2: if this is information that Winston Peters has. Obviously right

639
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Speaker 2: now you could you couldn't. You couldn't. You couldn't book

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Speaker 2: right now, you couldn't book a nuclear powered fory for

641
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Speaker 2: New Zealand. But maybe you'd make one, get one that's

642
00:31:27,973 --> 00:31:31,573
Speaker 2: ready nuclear power ready, slow one of these, throw one

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Speaker 2: of these modular nuclear power generators in there. Because did

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Speaker 2: you say, Daryl, that there's that that they come with,

645
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Speaker 2: just a slot that you can put them in.

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Speaker 20: Well, the plan is that a lot of the ships,

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Speaker 20: not necessarily just ferries and things, but the other ships.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess if

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Speaker 2: it's if it's as small as as you say it is,

650
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Speaker 2: sort of container sides, then down the track, then maybe

651
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Speaker 2: we can upgrade our ferries.

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Speaker 20: Well that's the thing. And do you just cut a

653
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Speaker 20: hole in the deck, drop it down and install the

654
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Speaker 20: mortars the electric motors on the where they're going?

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Speaker 3: And that was just the Chinese fearry builders doing that,

656
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Speaker 3: or is that this is technology across the board?

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Speaker 20: No, no, no, it was the actual suggestion came from

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Speaker 20: the company that's leasing the ferry to the Maritime Atlantic.

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Speaker 20: If you look on Maritime Atlantic, I think they just

660
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Speaker 20: got the ferry about six months ago. Seven months ago.

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Speaker 20: Oh wow, that's a brand new ferry.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Derek Derreyl, can I share ticks with you? This

663
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Speaker 2: Canadian caller has the best voice I've ever heard in

664
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Speaker 2: my life. He should be doing radio ads. I concur

665
00:32:37,973 --> 00:32:39,253
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful voice you got there.

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Speaker 20: It is funny that you should say that, because just

667
00:32:43,333 --> 00:32:46,613
Speaker 20: as I was leaving school, I applied for a job

668
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Speaker 20: with a radio station in Canada and I missed out

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Speaker 20: on the job. To my neighbor, who then went on

670
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Speaker 20: to become the radio manager for that station for the

671
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Speaker 20: last forty seven years, Wow.

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Speaker 3: I missed a track. They should have hired you, Daryl.

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00:33:01,573 --> 00:33:02,293
Speaker 3: You would have done well.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 20: I've been told that, you know, I've got a good

676
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Speaker 20: Canadian accent, except I've been in New Zealand for thirty

677
00:33:09,773 --> 00:33:14,253
Speaker 20: seven years. Right, But I don't hear accents. I don't

678
00:33:14,293 --> 00:33:15,253
Speaker 20: pick up on accents.

679
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Speaker 2: For some reason, listening to you makes me want to

680
00:33:18,693 --> 00:33:20,933
Speaker 2: pour myself a whiskey. Yeah, you know if you if

681
00:33:20,973 --> 00:33:23,053
Speaker 2: you were selling a whiskey, I'd buy it, whatever it was.

682
00:33:24,293 --> 00:33:25,813
Speaker 20: How about a those Canadian club?

683
00:33:26,053 --> 00:33:26,253
Speaker 1: Yeah?

684
00:33:26,453 --> 00:33:31,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you club? Get Darryl on the line. Hey,

685
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for that insight. That is incredibly

686
00:33:33,533 --> 00:33:35,253
Speaker 2: interesting and beautifully delivered.

687
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Speaker 20: It is and it is for New Zealand and the

688
00:33:37,853 --> 00:33:41,173
Speaker 20: fact that if they these ferries that they're purchasing, they

689
00:33:41,533 --> 00:33:43,413
Speaker 20: really need to look at it on the basis that

690
00:33:43,613 --> 00:33:46,613
Speaker 20: maybe we can change the rules and at some point

691
00:33:46,693 --> 00:33:49,333
Speaker 20: they can just switch them over to nuclear.

692
00:33:49,773 --> 00:33:53,973
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, if you're listening, Winston Peters, Yep, yep,

693
00:33:54,173 --> 00:33:57,573
Speaker 2: hold off. Yeah, Well make sure that they make sure

694
00:33:57,613 --> 00:34:01,133
Speaker 2: they've got the capability to be switched over to nuclear

695
00:34:01,173 --> 00:34:04,493
Speaker 2: when your time comes. This so many texts coming this.

696
00:34:05,013 --> 00:34:07,773
Speaker 2: This guy is one hundred percent onto it. Effectively all

697
00:34:07,853 --> 00:34:11,293
Speaker 2: shipping will be nuclear inside a decade, says this text.

698
00:34:11,493 --> 00:34:13,973
Speaker 3: Yea oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

699
00:34:14,013 --> 00:34:16,292
Speaker 3: to call. It is fourteen to two.

700
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Speaker 2: I think Darren might be the most popular caller we've

701
00:34:18,493 --> 00:34:19,053
Speaker 2: ever had to them.

702
00:34:19,613 --> 00:34:25,693
Speaker 1: Tiler Afternoons, a fresh take on talkback Matt and Taylor Afternoons.

703
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Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth.

704
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Speaker 3: Talks that be eleven two two.

705
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Speaker 2: So we just asked the question today is the act

706
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Speaker 2: that prohibits ships who are wholly or partly dependent on

707
00:34:38,813 --> 00:34:42,373
Speaker 2: nuclear power from our waters? Is that still a good

708
00:34:42,413 --> 00:34:45,053
Speaker 2: act or should we get rid of it? If you

709
00:34:45,173 --> 00:34:49,573
Speaker 2: consider that our good buddies Australia are looking at nuclear

710
00:34:49,613 --> 00:34:52,773
Speaker 2: powered submarines, possibly by the early nine twenty and thirties.

711
00:34:53,173 --> 00:34:55,293
Speaker 2: And as a lot of people are pointing out, the

712
00:34:55,333 --> 00:34:58,933
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand strong diesel burning merchant fleet of the

713
00:34:59,013 --> 00:35:03,133
Speaker 2: world is looking to change to nuclear power. Yeah, lovely,

714
00:35:03,253 --> 00:35:05,333
Speaker 2: that might be coming sooner than you think. It's not

715
00:35:05,453 --> 00:35:08,613
Speaker 2: sci fi. They had nuclear powered commercial ships in the

716
00:35:08,733 --> 00:35:10,573
Speaker 2: late nineteen fifties and through the sixties.

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Speaker 3: Exactly oh one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number.

718
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Speaker 2: To call, Chris is why are we so pious regarding

719
00:35:15,813 --> 00:35:18,773
Speaker 2: our new free status if we're invaded by the likes

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Speaker 2: of China, which isn't as far fetched as it was

721
00:35:21,453 --> 00:35:24,973
Speaker 2: once considered. Are we going to stipulate to our allies

722
00:35:25,053 --> 00:35:27,453
Speaker 2: non nuclear powered vessels must be used in our defense?

723
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Speaker 2: Goodness me, let them send anything to help us. And

724
00:35:31,373 --> 00:35:34,173
Speaker 2: as for as nuclear power generation, we're idiots not to

725
00:35:34,293 --> 00:35:37,333
Speaker 2: use it, especially in Auckland where the population is. That's

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00:35:37,373 --> 00:35:39,573
Speaker 2: from Chris. Thank you for your text.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Chris, Helen, you quite like our nuclear

728
00:35:43,813 --> 00:35:44,453
Speaker 3: free policy.

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Speaker 22: Yes, I'm good afternoon. Such a comment. Now, I understand

730
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Speaker 22: that thinking back, the reasons why the nuclear policy no

731
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Speaker 22: shipping within was probably because of Muroa a French tests, etc.

732
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Speaker 22: And then the fear of perhaps some of the lodge

733
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Speaker 22: lo lobbing and missile of visiting ship while it was

734
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Speaker 22: in port and or the arena, or the man been

735
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Speaker 22: running around on reefs. So that very valid reasons, I think.

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Speaker 23: Now.

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Speaker 22: And then there's also the the the matters of the

738
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Speaker 22: small population, the instability, you know, it was quake prone,

739
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Speaker 22: and how to dispose of it and all that sort

740
00:36:37,293 --> 00:36:44,172
Speaker 22: of thing. Now, I wouldn't necessarily stick with my view

741
00:36:44,293 --> 00:36:49,053
Speaker 22: all forever because I think shouldn't be changed just yet.

742
00:36:49,613 --> 00:36:53,053
Speaker 22: But you know, the last two callers, you know, they

743
00:36:53,173 --> 00:36:55,212
Speaker 22: made some good points, but you can't rely on something

744
00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:57,853
Speaker 22: you hear on talk back as being absolutely accurate. So

745
00:36:58,773 --> 00:37:04,093
Speaker 22: we need more, you know, we need something more than

746
00:37:04,773 --> 00:37:06,973
Speaker 22: you know we need. We need to have the facts.

747
00:37:07,173 --> 00:37:11,093
Speaker 22: And because I think things are developing. But I think

748
00:37:11,133 --> 00:37:14,693
Speaker 22: it's quite quite a valid to be worried about ships

749
00:37:15,293 --> 00:37:17,053
Speaker 22: going aground on reefs.

750
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Speaker 2: And yeah, thank you so much for your call, Helen.

751
00:37:19,813 --> 00:37:24,693
Speaker 2: I mean, especially when the crew and the commanding officer

752
00:37:24,893 --> 00:37:28,053
Speaker 2: of the ship Manou and Ui were under trained and

753
00:37:28,133 --> 00:37:30,493
Speaker 2: the boat was not up to the task they were doing. Yeah,

754
00:37:30,773 --> 00:37:33,493
Speaker 2: but you know, people would say that when we when

755
00:37:33,533 --> 00:37:37,893
Speaker 2: we're scared of you know, that kind of situation, that

756
00:37:38,613 --> 00:37:40,973
Speaker 2: you could probably ground a ship on a reef in

757
00:37:41,053 --> 00:37:44,933
Speaker 2: that and with the technology now of nuclear power, that

758
00:37:45,053 --> 00:37:48,293
Speaker 2: the that that wouldn't necessarily be a problem wouldn't be

759
00:37:48,293 --> 00:37:49,813
Speaker 2: it wouldn't cause them outdown exactly.

760
00:37:50,093 --> 00:37:52,053
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

761
00:37:52,093 --> 00:37:54,212
Speaker 3: to call. It is seven minutes to two.

762
00:37:55,933 --> 00:37:59,573
Speaker 1: Mattis Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and

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00:37:59,613 --> 00:38:02,933
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Matten Taylor Afternoons news Talks be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. It is five to two.

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Speaker 2: Great discussion we've had about whether the act that prohibits

766
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Speaker 2: nuclear propulsion partly or wholly nuclear propelled vessels in our

767
00:38:16,653 --> 00:38:22,813
Speaker 2: waters is up to scratch considering a lot of merchant vessels,

768
00:38:22,813 --> 00:38:24,813
Speaker 2: a lot of cargo vessels might be replaced by nuclear

769
00:38:24,853 --> 00:38:27,133
Speaker 2: power very very soon. So many texts coming into this.

770
00:38:27,253 --> 00:38:29,893
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to an all to all the older

771
00:38:29,973 --> 00:38:34,053
Speaker 2: generation dying. It's nice, okay o off worth their idealistic

772
00:38:34,133 --> 00:38:36,812
Speaker 2: kids in the sand, so New Zealand can embrace nuclear energy.

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00:38:36,853 --> 00:38:41,053
Speaker 2: That's from Campbell. Hi, guys, remember when altricy was invented,

774
00:38:41,053 --> 00:38:44,453
Speaker 2: people thought it was witchcraft. The same goes for nuclear power. Thanks.

775
00:38:45,733 --> 00:38:49,933
Speaker 2: I saw this cartoon in the newspaper when Aletrist was

776
00:38:49,973 --> 00:38:52,333
Speaker 2: first coming out, and people thought that if you left

777
00:38:52,373 --> 00:38:54,493
Speaker 2: the plugs on it, eltricity would pour into your house

778
00:38:54,533 --> 00:38:56,252
Speaker 2: like it was coming out of a tap. Right, Yeah,

779
00:38:56,733 --> 00:39:00,013
Speaker 2: I think some people have sort of similarly informed views

780
00:39:00,053 --> 00:39:02,893
Speaker 2: aroount nuclear power at the moment. Isn't it just that

781
00:39:03,013 --> 00:39:05,212
Speaker 2: we don't want nuclear arms and our waters? Nuclear power

782
00:39:05,293 --> 00:39:07,373
Speaker 2: is one of the most clean forms of energy there

783
00:39:07,493 --> 00:39:08,213
Speaker 2: is these days.

784
00:39:08,413 --> 00:39:11,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, great texts and great phone calls, Thank you very much.

785
00:39:12,333 --> 00:39:15,413
Speaker 3: Great discussion. Right coming up after two o'clock, let's have

786
00:39:15,613 --> 00:39:19,093
Speaker 3: a chat about Minecraft and gaming. Are we freaking out

787
00:39:19,413 --> 00:39:20,813
Speaker 3: about games a little bit too much?

788
00:39:21,053 --> 00:39:23,293
Speaker 2: Yeah? A few studies are saying that games are good

789
00:39:23,293 --> 00:39:28,213
Speaker 2: for cognitive abilities. Have we just been demonizing games unnecessarily?

790
00:39:28,373 --> 00:39:28,533
Speaker 9: Yeah?

791
00:39:28,613 --> 00:39:31,053
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

792
00:39:31,253 --> 00:39:34,013
Speaker 3: If your child plays Minecraft, love to hear from you.

793
00:39:34,133 --> 00:39:36,333
Speaker 3: If your child's got you into the game as well,

794
00:39:36,813 --> 00:39:39,293
Speaker 3: Really keen to get your thoughts, or if.

795
00:39:39,173 --> 00:39:41,172
Speaker 2: You hate it and think it's destroying society, we want

796
00:39:41,173 --> 00:39:41,773
Speaker 2: to hear from you as well.

797
00:39:41,853 --> 00:39:42,013
Speaker 14: Yeah.

798
00:39:42,013 --> 00:39:43,853
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's a

799
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Speaker 3: number of cool new sport and weather on its way.

800
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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

801
00:39:51,653 --> 00:39:53,453
Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talks.

802
00:39:53,453 --> 00:39:53,733
Speaker 17: It'd be.

803
00:39:55,293 --> 00:39:57,853
Speaker 3: Good up, No, welcome back into the show. Seven past

804
00:39:57,933 --> 00:40:00,252
Speaker 3: too great too. Have you come to here? Of course,

805
00:40:00,333 --> 00:40:02,893
Speaker 3: now before we get into the next topic, we just

806
00:40:02,973 --> 00:40:05,413
Speaker 3: want to have a quick chat about the Manawanui. The

807
00:40:05,493 --> 00:40:09,173
Speaker 3: report has been released, a massive investigation to that sinking,

808
00:40:09,493 --> 00:40:10,813
Speaker 3: and it is not good.

809
00:40:11,133 --> 00:40:13,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get Jason Wolls on very soon to talk

810
00:40:13,773 --> 00:40:17,173
Speaker 2: about it. There has been the stand up and this

811
00:40:17,373 --> 00:40:19,893
Speaker 2: is the basics that have come out. The crew and

812
00:40:19,933 --> 00:40:22,333
Speaker 2: the commanding officer of the Navy ship Manoa and Nui

813
00:40:22,413 --> 00:40:24,613
Speaker 2: were under trained and the boat was not up to

814
00:40:24,693 --> 00:40:27,613
Speaker 2: the task it was doing when it was grounded. I

815
00:40:27,733 --> 00:40:31,613
Speaker 2: mean that is pretty damning and multiple failures of the crew,

816
00:40:31,693 --> 00:40:34,973
Speaker 2: the ship, and the Navy itself have been identified. The

817
00:40:35,053 --> 00:40:37,573
Speaker 2: report also contains a full transcript of the dramatic night,

818
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Speaker 2: including the captain telling the crew they would survive if

819
00:40:40,973 --> 00:40:43,213
Speaker 2: they abandoned ship. I'd like to read that transcript I

820
00:40:43,333 --> 00:40:46,693
Speaker 2: mentioned would be a good read. So there was no

821
00:40:46,773 --> 00:40:49,133
Speaker 2: one on board who was qualified enough to carry out

822
00:40:49,253 --> 00:40:52,333
Speaker 2: the hydrographic surveying that the ship was tasked with doing,

823
00:40:52,413 --> 00:40:55,732
Speaker 2: and the ship itself was not cleared for the walk work. Sorry,

824
00:40:56,213 --> 00:40:58,853
Speaker 2: but I mean that wasn't really the problem, was it.

825
00:40:58,893 --> 00:41:00,172
Speaker 2: The problem is that they didn't know how to get

826
00:41:00,173 --> 00:41:01,733
Speaker 2: it out of autopilot.

827
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Speaker 8: Yeah.

828
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Speaker 3: I mean the report goes on to say, out of

829
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Speaker 3: the forty five people on board, there were twenty personnel deficiencies,

830
00:41:07,693 --> 00:41:10,453
Speaker 3: which is fancy way of saying twenty people did not

831
00:41:10,653 --> 00:41:12,293
Speaker 3: have the experience to be on that chip.

832
00:41:13,413 --> 00:41:16,613
Speaker 2: And so does it. You know, we'll find out exactly

833
00:41:16,693 --> 00:41:20,093
Speaker 2: how much how much blame the commanding officer takes. I

834
00:41:20,133 --> 00:41:22,853
Speaker 2: guess the buck stops with the commanding officer. Yeah, but

835
00:41:23,133 --> 00:41:26,093
Speaker 2: was she on deck when it happened? I mean that

836
00:41:26,253 --> 00:41:31,373
Speaker 2: is that is multiple failures of the crew, the ship,

837
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Speaker 2: and the Navy itself. Yeah.

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00:41:32,933 --> 00:41:35,013
Speaker 3: I mean there's been a lot of discussion about the

839
00:41:35,093 --> 00:41:37,613
Speaker 3: resources that we should or should not be pumping into

840
00:41:37,693 --> 00:41:40,853
Speaker 3: our defense force. I think a report like this, and

841
00:41:40,973 --> 00:41:43,013
Speaker 3: I was already in favor of putting more money into

842
00:41:43,053 --> 00:41:45,613
Speaker 3: our defense force. Across the board, clearly we have to

843
00:41:45,813 --> 00:41:49,253
Speaker 3: there is massive deficiencies across the board, and this was

844
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Speaker 3: a vessel that was meant to be doing surveying work.

845
00:41:51,933 --> 00:41:54,692
Speaker 3: It wasn't even a war vessel. And still those people

846
00:41:54,733 --> 00:41:57,013
Speaker 3: on board did not have appropriate training to be there

847
00:41:57,093 --> 00:41:59,453
Speaker 3: to do that work. And we've lost a ship that

848
00:41:59,613 --> 00:42:00,893
Speaker 3: was worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

849
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, you know, somewhere between one hundred

850
00:42:05,093 --> 00:42:07,413
Speaker 2: and fifty million dollars plus whatever costs we've had to

851
00:42:07,653 --> 00:42:11,453
Speaker 2: incur dealing with this situation. I mean, that's money that

852
00:42:11,533 --> 00:42:15,013
Speaker 2: the country needs, and that's definitely money that the defense

853
00:42:15,653 --> 00:42:19,373
Speaker 2: forces need, and due to what looks like rank and competence,

854
00:42:20,133 --> 00:42:22,252
Speaker 2: it's at the bottom of the fricking sea.

855
00:42:22,533 --> 00:42:24,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we're going to open the summon.

856
00:42:24,813 --> 00:42:26,893
Speaker 2: I've make some terrible mistakes in my time.

857
00:42:27,213 --> 00:42:31,973
Speaker 3: It works, and you continue to continue to Yeah, Yeah, I.

858
00:42:33,773 --> 00:42:37,493
Speaker 2: Regularly get words wrong. I regularly say horrific things that

859
00:42:37,493 --> 00:42:40,413
Speaker 2: should get me canceled. Yes, but I don't know how

860
00:42:40,573 --> 00:42:43,173
Speaker 2: you could what it would be like to take on

861
00:42:43,293 --> 00:42:48,933
Speaker 2: board the guilt and the shame of sinking a full

862
00:42:49,213 --> 00:42:53,093
Speaker 2: one hundred and something million dollar navy vessel. I don't

863
00:42:53,133 --> 00:42:53,853
Speaker 2: think peacetime.

864
00:42:53,973 --> 00:42:55,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think you can cock up any worse

865
00:42:55,853 --> 00:42:58,013
Speaker 3: than that. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

866
00:42:58,093 --> 00:43:00,053
Speaker 3: the number to call it. We are keen to get

867
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Speaker 3: your thoughts about this report, and very shortly we are

868
00:43:03,053 --> 00:43:08,093
Speaker 3: going to catch up without chief political correspondent Jason Wolves

869
00:43:08,093 --> 00:43:09,973
Speaker 3: to get has thought he is going through the report now.

870
00:43:10,013 --> 00:43:12,413
Speaker 3: It's quite a large report, ye, but we're keen to

871
00:43:12,453 --> 00:43:14,013
Speaker 3: get his thoughts from a political point of view.

872
00:43:14,173 --> 00:43:17,013
Speaker 2: Well, shall we take a break and come back with him?

873
00:43:17,093 --> 00:43:19,253
Speaker 3: Yep, that sounds good right. It is ten pass two.

874
00:43:19,533 --> 00:43:21,613
Speaker 3: After the breakweather chat with Jason Walls, and.

875
00:43:21,653 --> 00:43:23,253
Speaker 2: Then we'll get stuck into minecraft.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, your new home of afternoon Talk Matt and

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Speaker 1: Taylor afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. It is thirteen past two. Well, the report

879
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Speaker 3: has been released into the sinking of the Manawen Nui.

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Speaker 3: Looking through the in depth report is our political editor

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Speaker 3: Jason Walls, who joins us once again. Get a Jason.

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Speaker 24: Oh good afternoon boys.

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Speaker 2: Jason. This appears to be a damning report. What are

884
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Speaker 2: the basic findings?

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Speaker 18: Oh?

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Speaker 24: Well, I mean right at the top, human error and

887
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Speaker 24: a failure to disengage in auto pilot control has been

888
00:44:04,293 --> 00:44:07,733
Speaker 24: confirmed as the root cause of the Manawan Nui running

889
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Speaker 24: aground had sinking off the coast of the Pacific. Now,

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Speaker 24: what I'm saying is that somebody accidentally and it was

891
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Speaker 24: an accident, of course, but somebody's human error caused a

892
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Speaker 24: one hundred million dollar problem. I mean, you've got to

893
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Speaker 24: be that person if you've ever made a mistake in

894
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Speaker 24: the workplace, at least feels some sort of level of

895
00:44:29,373 --> 00:44:33,133
Speaker 24: gratitude that it wasn't a one hundred million dollar mistakes. So,

896
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Speaker 24: with the press conference is still running, We've just heard

897
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Speaker 24: from Navy Rear Admiral garn Golding and here's what he said.

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Speaker 25: And so it wasn't a deliberate, high grade survey. It

899
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Speaker 25: was a rapid environmental assessment. So it does come with

900
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Speaker 25: additional complexity, and it did have an operational outcome. It's just,

901
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Speaker 25: you know, we are operating in complex environments.

902
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Speaker 24: So that's a bit of an understatement. We are operating

903
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Speaker 24: in complex environment And listen, I'm not like, this isn't

904
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Speaker 24: a pylon of Yvonne Gray, who is the commander who

905
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Speaker 24: was the captain of the Mona when when it's sunk,

906
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Speaker 24: but still looking at the issue, you must think, come on, guys,

907
00:45:13,733 --> 00:45:15,253
Speaker 24: this is just not good enough.

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Speaker 18: Now.

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Speaker 24: Judith Collins was at the press conference as well, and

910
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Speaker 24: here's what she said.

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Speaker 21: You know, we all know this shouldn't have happened, and

912
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Speaker 21: really bad things happen from time to time, and hopefully

913
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Speaker 21: it never happens to any other navy as well.

914
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Speaker 24: Yeah, thanks for that, Judith. I also hope it doesn't

915
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Speaker 24: happen to any other Navy in the world. But listen,

916
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Speaker 24: it probably won't happen anywhere else in the world. It's

917
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Speaker 24: not one of those sort of only in New Zealand things.

918
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, unless she's she allowing us to speculate that

919
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Speaker 2: at the time, she's saying speculation isn't healthy. It's fun. Though,

920
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Speaker 2: What do we know about Commander Gray's involvement culpability and

921
00:45:53,173 --> 00:45:54,453
Speaker 2: it has that been discussed?

922
00:45:54,893 --> 00:45:57,093
Speaker 24: Well, it would be in the report somewhere in terms

923
00:45:57,173 --> 00:45:58,893
Speaker 24: of that, but you'd have to imagine, I mean, she's

924
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Speaker 24: not on the hook for the whole one hundred million dollars.

925
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Speaker 24: I don't think she has that sitting around. It's it's hard,

926
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Speaker 24: isn't it, because obviously it's it's a whole different level

927
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Speaker 24: of than it is if you crash the company car.

928
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Speaker 24: You know, at least they have insurance. I don't know

929
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Speaker 24: anybody that's ensuring one hundred million dollar ships out there,

930
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Speaker 24: but you know what this is. I don't want to

931
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Speaker 24: speculate on her future. I mean, there may well be

932
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Speaker 24: more to come on what happens with her at the

933
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Speaker 24: center of this. But looking at the report, I mean,

934
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Speaker 24: the court was satisfied that the direct cause of the

935
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Speaker 24: grounding of the ship was a series of human errors

936
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Speaker 24: witnessed by witness two and four. So they've obviously gone

937
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Speaker 24: into some detail talking to some people that were on

938
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Speaker 24: the ship as well.

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Speaker 2: This statement here I find quite shocking. There was no

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Speaker 2: one on board who was qualified enough to carry out

941
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Speaker 2: the hydrographics surveying that the ship was task worth doing it,

942
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Speaker 2: and the ship itself was not cleared for the work.

943
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Speaker 2: That's what the court has found. So so did anyone

944
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Speaker 2: worship doing there? Yeah, who said go ahead?

945
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Speaker 3: That's the question, right how high does it go, whether

946
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Speaker 3: it is above Commander Gray, and whether that is a

947
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Speaker 3: failing across the board from the top right down to

948
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Speaker 3: the bottom.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no doubt that they've cocked up what

950
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Speaker 2: they were doing. But the fact that there was no

951
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Speaker 2: one qualified to even be doing it in the first

952
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Speaker 2: place is quite shocking.

953
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Speaker 24: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, and I guess this is as so

954
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Speaker 24: this report has just come out. We'll be going into

955
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Speaker 24: detail about these specific issues and we'll have answers for you.

956
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Speaker 24: But just looking at it, I mean those sorts of details,

957
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Speaker 24: I mean, a head scratcher probably underplays it quite a lot,

958
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Speaker 24: I would say.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: If anything, Jason Judith Collins has been talking a lot

961
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Speaker 3: about us needing to step up in terms of our

962
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Speaker 3: defense beending. If anything, this report would back what she

963
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Speaker 3: is saying, that we need to have more resource and

964
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Speaker 3: to not just buying these beautiful vessels and planes and

965
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Speaker 3: the rest of it, but training our staff.

966
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Speaker 24: Yeah, and I mean it comes actually fortuitously at the

967
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Speaker 24: same time as the government plans on releasing its Defense

968
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Speaker 24: Capability Plan, that is the blue print of what it

969
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Speaker 24: wants to do in terms of spending across the military

970
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Speaker 24: and the defense force for the next decade and a

971
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Speaker 24: half or so. So we've been waiting for that for

972
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Speaker 24: some time, and we do know that it's going to

973
00:48:08,613 --> 00:48:11,053
Speaker 24: more cash than it has before. This is bucking the

974
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Speaker 24: trend of the rest of what's happening in government by

975
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Speaker 24: actually putting more money into a department rather than taking

976
00:48:18,573 --> 00:48:21,893
Speaker 24: it out. And absolutely this will come up when Judith

977
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Speaker 24: Collins is asked about this, because she'll say, well, look

978
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Speaker 24: at this, this is the consequences of underfunding. We have

979
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Speaker 24: a hundred million dollar problem.

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00:48:29,493 --> 00:48:31,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so they're probably going to have to up

981
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Speaker 2: their funding by at least as much as it costs

982
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Speaker 2: to buy a new ship one hundred million or so,

983
00:48:37,213 --> 00:48:39,813
Speaker 2: and however many millions it took around the salvage.

984
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Speaker 24: Yeah, so that is and to make the report as well,

985
00:48:42,453 --> 00:48:43,493
Speaker 24: I mean it's not cheap.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you so much Jason for coming on at

988
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Speaker 2: short notice. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: No, no problem.

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Speaker 24: Well, just before I go, when I did my cross

991
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Speaker 24: with you guys earlier today, I was talking about the

992
00:48:52,573 --> 00:48:55,733
Speaker 24: Select Committee report into the Treaties Principal's Bill, and I

993
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Speaker 24: said that the report had concluded it was an international embarrassment.

994
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Speaker 24: That was my error. The report actually that was from

995
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Speaker 24: the Green Party said that it was an international embarrassment.

996
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Speaker 24: So my mistake for my apologies for that mistake.

997
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Speaker 2: No good clarify now, I said at the time it

998
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Speaker 2: sounded like the words of zealots. So interesting. Thank you

999
00:49:13,453 --> 00:49:15,693
Speaker 2: so much, Jason, and thanks for that correction.

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Speaker 24: Thanks guys, talk them Monday.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Go well mate, That is News Talk ZB Political editor

1003
00:49:21,173 --> 00:49:22,933
Speaker 3: Jason Wolves. But we're keen on your thoughts on this,

1004
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Speaker 3: so eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The text machine is

1005
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Speaker 3: lit up, as has the phone lines, so keen to

1006
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Speaker 3: get your view. It is nineteen past two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you at twenty one past two,

1010
00:49:45,413 --> 00:49:47,893
Speaker 3: and we're talking about the findings into the sinking of

1011
00:49:47,893 --> 00:49:51,652
Speaker 3: the Manawanui and it is incredibly damning. The reporters come

1012
00:49:51,773 --> 00:49:53,613
Speaker 3: out or just came out about an hour ago.

1013
00:49:53,893 --> 00:49:56,053
Speaker 2: The crew and the commanding officer of the naval ship

1014
00:49:56,133 --> 00:49:58,533
Speaker 2: Manawanui were undertrained and the boat was not up to

1015
00:49:58,573 --> 00:50:01,853
Speaker 2: the task it was doing when it grounded on the reef.

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Speaker 2: That is re when I say reasonably, that is very

1017
00:50:05,973 --> 00:50:09,173
Speaker 2: very damning. Steve, your thoughts.

1018
00:50:08,933 --> 00:50:14,133
Speaker 5: On this, well, I've got like twenty years seatime tucked

1019
00:50:14,213 --> 00:50:16,013
Speaker 5: under one of out. I did search and rescue and

1020
00:50:16,053 --> 00:50:16,293
Speaker 5: all that.

1021
00:50:16,533 --> 00:50:16,693
Speaker 16: You know.

1022
00:50:16,973 --> 00:50:19,373
Speaker 5: I have a trall Master's ticket, which is pretty hard

1023
00:50:19,413 --> 00:50:22,413
Speaker 5: to get years on. I got that through Norwegians where

1024
00:50:22,453 --> 00:50:25,733
Speaker 5: can at sea doing search and rescueing that with the

1025
00:50:26,333 --> 00:50:29,653
Speaker 5: Iran from the Air Force. So there's a lot of

1026
00:50:29,773 --> 00:50:34,013
Speaker 5: stuff that people, especially like Jujah Pollens, are just assuming.

1027
00:50:34,613 --> 00:50:37,253
Speaker 5: I wouldn't think that she would know anything about being

1028
00:50:37,333 --> 00:50:40,933
Speaker 5: at sea, you know. And there's a whole heap of

1029
00:50:41,013 --> 00:50:45,493
Speaker 5: things that people are just assuming about. You know, the commander,

1030
00:50:46,173 --> 00:50:49,613
Speaker 5: what about the chief engineer? Because I'll tell you what.

1031
00:50:50,493 --> 00:50:54,493
Speaker 5: Every vessel has a cursor line, you have a waypoint

1032
00:50:54,573 --> 00:50:57,733
Speaker 5: where you're going to. There's an alarm in the wheelhouse

1033
00:50:57,773 --> 00:51:01,213
Speaker 5: that goes off every six minutes, so if you fall asleep,

1034
00:51:01,253 --> 00:51:04,333
Speaker 5: it will wake you up. If it goes off and

1035
00:51:04,493 --> 00:51:08,173
Speaker 5: you are still asleep, it's instant dismissal because you're putting

1036
00:51:08,213 --> 00:51:11,172
Speaker 5: it everyone's life at risk. The other thing that they're

1037
00:51:11,213 --> 00:51:13,893
Speaker 5: not looking at is when was the last time that

1038
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Speaker 5: vessel was up on survey. There's a lot of things

1039
00:51:18,013 --> 00:51:21,333
Speaker 5: that can go wrong, and everyone's blaming the commander, which

1040
00:51:21,493 --> 00:51:24,253
Speaker 5: is so wrong, and everyone assumes things.

1041
00:51:24,733 --> 00:51:28,093
Speaker 2: So does the commander? Does the commander not take ultimate

1042
00:51:28,173 --> 00:51:30,573
Speaker 2: responsibility when a ship well goes down?

1043
00:51:31,653 --> 00:51:35,213
Speaker 5: I don't think it's just her fault. Okay, people are

1044
00:51:35,373 --> 00:51:36,773
Speaker 5: blaming her, right, but a.

1045
00:51:36,853 --> 00:51:38,133
Speaker 8: Lot of things can go wrong.

1046
00:51:38,173 --> 00:51:41,013
Speaker 5: And see there's so many containers and things like that

1047
00:51:41,613 --> 00:51:43,973
Speaker 5: that a float around out there, you know, and all

1048
00:51:44,133 --> 00:51:50,692
Speaker 5: sorts that can cause major problems. Okay, So I don't

1049
00:51:50,733 --> 00:51:53,893
Speaker 5: think that everyone's been too harsh on their commander and

1050
00:51:54,053 --> 00:51:54,732
Speaker 5: that's not fair.

1051
00:51:55,173 --> 00:51:58,373
Speaker 2: You can understand when a over one hundred million dollar

1052
00:51:58,413 --> 00:52:02,293
Speaker 2: ship goes down that people would naturally at least point

1053
00:52:02,333 --> 00:52:04,653
Speaker 2: their fingers some of the time at the commanding office.

1054
00:52:05,253 --> 00:52:08,573
Speaker 2: As that the court rule. The court stated there was

1055
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Speaker 2: no one on board who was qualified enough to carry

1056
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Speaker 2: out the hydrographic surveying that the ship was tasked was doing,

1057
00:52:13,853 --> 00:52:15,493
Speaker 2: and the ship itself was not commared to do it.

1058
00:52:15,613 --> 00:52:18,333
Speaker 2: That is an intense of the Out of the forty

1059
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Speaker 2: five people on board, there were twenty personal deficiencies, it found.

1060
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and clearly the hierarchy of the defense commander is

1061
00:52:27,093 --> 00:52:30,213
Speaker 3: incredibly senior position. And whether it goes higher than the

1062
00:52:30,253 --> 00:52:33,453
Speaker 3: commander on that vessel, it looks likely that maybe it

1063
00:52:33,493 --> 00:52:36,653
Speaker 3: does go higher than that, But certainly she carries some

1064
00:52:36,733 --> 00:52:39,373
Speaker 3: blame for what happened there. That is their whole role

1065
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Speaker 3: of being in that senior position of leadership, Cliff your.

1066
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Speaker 15: Thoughts, Yeah, after that, lad, just going back to the

1067
00:52:50,613 --> 00:52:53,453
Speaker 15: hob on they had, I don't for what I tell

1068
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Speaker 15: them where there was, if they have or anything. But

1069
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Speaker 15: at the end of the day, if you cut money

1070
00:52:59,093 --> 00:53:02,653
Speaker 15: in the service, you lose people. Lot the armed forces

1071
00:53:02,693 --> 00:53:05,293
Speaker 15: in New Zealand have gone backwards and the amount of

1072
00:53:05,333 --> 00:53:08,413
Speaker 15: people are leaving because the pay is no good, So

1073
00:53:08,533 --> 00:53:12,213
Speaker 15: you end up pushing people up the pecking order too quick.

1074
00:53:12,773 --> 00:53:15,453
Speaker 15: I was watching recently a thing about the American Navy,

1075
00:53:16,053 --> 00:53:19,173
Speaker 15: and you have to do years on each pay level

1076
00:53:19,373 --> 00:53:21,573
Speaker 15: to get up the grades, and you've got to have

1077
00:53:21,773 --> 00:53:26,853
Speaker 15: that time served. And if the Zella Navy is short staff,

1078
00:53:26,933 --> 00:53:31,573
Speaker 15: we couldn't even put enough people out to cruele our ships,

1079
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Speaker 15: let alone have the highly qualified enough to do it.

1080
00:53:35,733 --> 00:53:38,172
Speaker 15: So if we're going to send out people who are

1081
00:53:38,253 --> 00:53:41,253
Speaker 15: not up to the positions, you know, I'm not saying

1082
00:53:41,253 --> 00:53:44,093
Speaker 15: that the command is it's all her fault by any means,

1083
00:53:44,453 --> 00:53:47,133
Speaker 15: But if she has been pushed into that role too

1084
00:53:47,253 --> 00:53:50,493
Speaker 15: quick and there's not enough people around her as well

1085
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Speaker 15: who've got the experience, and that's basically saying that that

1086
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Speaker 15: the ship is really shouldn't have been there for the

1087
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Speaker 15: people that are cruing it. So what is the sense

1088
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Speaker 15: of putting that ship out there if it goes back

1089
00:54:04,013 --> 00:54:07,333
Speaker 15: to the Chief of the Navy, because they must plot

1090
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Speaker 15: where that ship's go. They said that there for a

1091
00:54:09,613 --> 00:54:14,653
Speaker 15: reason to help out the government survey that area. For

1092
00:54:14,773 --> 00:54:17,212
Speaker 15: some reason, we decided to send the crew that wasn't

1093
00:54:17,293 --> 00:54:19,813
Speaker 15: up to it, so we even do the survey, let

1094
00:54:19,893 --> 00:54:25,853
Speaker 15: alone run that ship. So it comes back to the hierarchy,

1095
00:54:25,933 --> 00:54:27,733
Speaker 15: and it comes back to money. At the end of

1096
00:54:27,773 --> 00:54:30,853
Speaker 15: the day. The money that has gone into the Navy

1097
00:54:30,933 --> 00:54:34,613
Speaker 15: hasn't been enough to keep the qualified staff up. And

1098
00:54:34,733 --> 00:54:37,653
Speaker 15: it's just like every service in New Zealand. The money

1099
00:54:37,733 --> 00:54:40,692
Speaker 15: hasn't been there because we'd probably blown it all over

1100
00:54:40,773 --> 00:54:44,853
Speaker 15: the past five six years with COVID and other stuff

1101
00:54:45,293 --> 00:54:48,253
Speaker 15: that there's just no money just to upgrade. There's no

1102
00:54:48,373 --> 00:54:52,172
Speaker 15: money to pay enough people to hire wages to keep

1103
00:54:52,213 --> 00:54:54,173
Speaker 15: them interested. You know, probably they don't gone to the

1104
00:54:54,253 --> 00:54:57,493
Speaker 15: Australian Navy. They're probably their commanders have probably got on

1105
00:54:57,613 --> 00:55:00,093
Speaker 15: average ten years in the service.

1106
00:55:01,053 --> 00:55:01,292
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1107
00:55:01,493 --> 00:55:06,213
Speaker 2: Well, you know, she wasn't new to the naval career.

1108
00:55:06,893 --> 00:55:09,133
Speaker 2: It was her first ship she command, but she started

1109
00:55:09,173 --> 00:55:12,732
Speaker 2: in the United Kingdom in the Navy in nineteen ninety

1110
00:55:12,773 --> 00:55:17,212
Speaker 2: three as a war warfare officer, so she's she's been

1111
00:55:17,253 --> 00:55:19,373
Speaker 2: in the game in some former and other since nineteen

1112
00:55:19,413 --> 00:55:23,133
Speaker 2: ninety three, so that is a long time. Yeah, we're

1113
00:55:23,213 --> 00:55:27,533
Speaker 2: talking thirty two years of being in and around. So

1114
00:55:28,693 --> 00:55:31,893
Speaker 2: it's not the fastest promotion of all times, no, no, exactly,

1115
00:55:32,133 --> 00:55:34,813
Speaker 2: although moved up the ranks pretty quickly after coming to

1116
00:55:34,893 --> 00:55:36,413
Speaker 2: New Zealand in twenty twelve.

1117
00:55:37,213 --> 00:55:40,013
Speaker 3: O one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1118
00:55:40,053 --> 00:55:45,133
Speaker 3: to call. And there's some great texts coming through. We'll

1119
00:55:45,173 --> 00:55:46,853
Speaker 3: get to some of those very shortly because we're a

1120
00:55:46,853 --> 00:55:49,973
Speaker 3: bit late for headlines. It is twenty seven past two.

1121
00:55:52,813 --> 00:55:56,493
Speaker 17: Jews Talk said the headlines were blue bubble taxis It's

1122
00:55:56,613 --> 00:56:00,133
Speaker 17: no trouble with a blue bubble. A scathing official report

1123
00:56:00,253 --> 00:56:03,813
Speaker 17: into the sinking of the Manawanui ship off the Sarmoran

1124
00:56:03,933 --> 00:56:07,653
Speaker 17: Coast has unearthed to spite and then competency and inadequate

1125
00:56:07,733 --> 00:56:12,373
Speaker 17: procedures which ultimately contributed to the incident. Police are appealing

1126
00:56:12,413 --> 00:56:15,973
Speaker 17: for the public's help in a homicide investigation. Sixty five

1127
00:56:16,093 --> 00:56:18,533
Speaker 17: year old Simon Byrd was found dead in the Wellington

1128
00:56:18,573 --> 00:56:22,893
Speaker 17: suburb of Northland on Tuesday, this week, armed police are

1129
00:56:22,973 --> 00:56:26,533
Speaker 17: stationed in Levin searching for two people who fled after

1130
00:56:26,613 --> 00:56:29,653
Speaker 17: a car chase. The car was ditched in MacArthur Street

1131
00:56:29,893 --> 00:56:33,453
Speaker 17: and one woman was arrested. The architect of the Treaty

1132
00:56:33,533 --> 00:56:37,053
Speaker 17: Principals Bill David Seymour, believes the country is in favor

1133
00:56:37,253 --> 00:56:41,213
Speaker 17: of his proposed legislation. That's despite the majority of submitters

1134
00:56:41,253 --> 00:56:45,053
Speaker 17: opposing it. Parliament's Justice Committee has today released its report,

1135
00:56:45,373 --> 00:56:49,453
Speaker 17: revealing ninety percent of written submissions were against it. A

1136
00:56:49,533 --> 00:56:52,733
Speaker 17: met Service has issued several watches and warnings for the

1137
00:56:52,773 --> 00:56:54,973
Speaker 17: North Island and top of the South Today.

1138
00:56:56,053 --> 00:56:59,813
Speaker 2: Basher roko a muchau chao kol.

1139
00:56:59,773 --> 00:57:04,093
Speaker 17: Looking back at the many restaurants of twenty three Ponsonby Road.

1140
00:57:04,373 --> 00:57:07,013
Speaker 17: You can see the story at enzid Herald Premium. Now

1141
00:57:07,093 --> 00:57:08,733
Speaker 17: back to matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

1142
00:57:08,973 --> 00:57:11,093
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we are talking about

1143
00:57:11,093 --> 00:57:13,333
Speaker 3: the Court of Inquiry report into the sinking of the

1144
00:57:13,453 --> 00:57:17,293
Speaker 3: Manawanui which came to the conclusion human era was and

1145
00:57:17,413 --> 00:57:21,493
Speaker 3: platter is a very damning report and it pointed at

1146
00:57:21,573 --> 00:57:24,773
Speaker 3: the lack of experience of the personnel on board the fissile.

1147
00:57:25,533 --> 00:57:27,213
Speaker 2: So it's not a disciplinary body.

1148
00:57:27,373 --> 00:57:29,813
Speaker 3: No so the court and I'm just reading this part

1149
00:57:29,933 --> 00:57:32,973
Speaker 3: from the report, it is not a disciplinary body and

1150
00:57:33,013 --> 00:57:36,853
Speaker 3: cannot make findings of guilt. However, the court hands recommended

1151
00:57:36,893 --> 00:57:40,133
Speaker 3: a separate inquiry be made into possible offenses. The possible

1152
00:57:40,173 --> 00:57:43,693
Speaker 3: offense or offenses have been redacted from this particular report,

1153
00:57:43,813 --> 00:57:44,493
Speaker 3: so more to come.

1154
00:57:44,693 --> 00:57:46,093
Speaker 2: So they can't issue taserings.

1155
00:57:47,013 --> 00:57:49,453
Speaker 3: No, unfortunately, not there it is there.

1156
00:57:49,533 --> 00:57:52,893
Speaker 2: A couple of weeks ago I mentioned tasering people. Yeah,

1157
00:57:52,893 --> 00:57:54,453
Speaker 2: it was a bit of a fan of mine. Now

1158
00:57:54,573 --> 00:57:57,413
Speaker 2: anything I say on about anything, this is one hundreds

1159
00:57:57,453 --> 00:57:59,453
Speaker 2: of textgo taser, everyone involved.

1160
00:57:59,213 --> 00:58:01,933
Speaker 3: The daily taser reference, and there it is for today.

1161
00:58:02,853 --> 00:58:05,733
Speaker 2: Yes, so you know, boy boy, there's a lot of

1162
00:58:06,293 --> 00:58:10,053
Speaker 2: So this is an interesting that came through Tyler and Matt.

1163
00:58:10,093 --> 00:58:12,133
Speaker 2: I concur with your earlier caller about the captain of

1164
00:58:12,133 --> 00:58:16,053
Speaker 2: the ship. Ironically, would anyone be saying something different if

1165
00:58:16,093 --> 00:58:18,373
Speaker 2: the vessel's captain was a man? But annoyed with both

1166
00:58:18,453 --> 00:58:23,053
Speaker 2: of you, I don't think it's relevant what sex the

1167
00:58:23,933 --> 00:58:28,413
Speaker 2: commander of the ship was. They become the figurehead as

1168
00:58:28,493 --> 00:58:30,693
Speaker 2: the ranking person on the ship, and the ship goes

1169
00:58:30,733 --> 00:58:33,613
Speaker 2: down any ship. Ever, the first your focus is on

1170
00:58:33,733 --> 00:58:36,493
Speaker 2: the captain. This case, the commander of the ship. That's

1171
00:58:36,733 --> 00:58:39,213
Speaker 2: the way it's always going to be. You become a

1172
00:58:39,493 --> 00:58:42,893
Speaker 2: figurehead of the ship. It's the same as the captain

1173
00:58:42,893 --> 00:58:45,933
Speaker 2: of a sports team exactly, with a lot more power.

1174
00:58:46,693 --> 00:58:49,533
Speaker 2: So you are always going to be under scrutiny. If

1175
00:58:49,573 --> 00:58:52,973
Speaker 2: you're the commander of the ship and the ship goes down, Well, I.

1176
00:58:53,013 --> 00:58:56,053
Speaker 3: Can categorically say it doesn't matter who that commander was.

1177
00:58:56,333 --> 00:58:58,533
Speaker 3: I would still be saying the same thing right now

1178
00:58:58,693 --> 00:59:00,453
Speaker 3: that if they were the commander of the ship, whether

1179
00:59:00,493 --> 00:59:04,173
Speaker 3: they were female, male, whatever, they would still be deserving

1180
00:59:04,333 --> 00:59:06,613
Speaker 3: of criticism and this as they have been in this

1181
00:59:06,693 --> 00:59:07,453
Speaker 3: particular report.

1182
00:59:07,533 --> 00:59:09,413
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the only crew remember we really know

1183
00:59:09,573 --> 00:59:12,453
Speaker 2: of from the Titanic was the captain. Everyone knows his name,

1184
00:59:12,613 --> 00:59:15,333
Speaker 2: Edward J. Smith. We know that name because that was

1185
00:59:15,413 --> 00:59:16,733
Speaker 2: and I don't know any names of any of the

1186
00:59:16,733 --> 00:59:20,213
Speaker 2: other crew member. Yeah, members, Leonardo DiCaprio was on the

1187
00:59:20,213 --> 00:59:21,813
Speaker 2: boat at one point. That's about all I know. But

1188
00:59:21,853 --> 00:59:26,173
Speaker 2: a Kate Winslet that's it. Yeah, Billy's aye, and Edward J.

1189
00:59:26,293 --> 00:59:28,053
Speaker 2: Smith behind the behind the wheel.

1190
00:59:27,933 --> 00:59:30,573
Speaker 3: Exactly oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1191
00:59:30,573 --> 00:59:33,253
Speaker 3: to call King to get your thoughts about this report

1192
00:59:33,293 --> 00:59:36,573
Speaker 3: and to the Manawanui, Jill, how are you this afternoon?

1193
00:59:37,373 --> 00:59:37,573
Speaker 22: Good?

1194
00:59:37,613 --> 00:59:40,573
Speaker 23: Thank you very much. My question was going to be

1195
00:59:40,773 --> 00:59:48,773
Speaker 23: does the Navy do the DEI hiring? Not because she's

1196
00:59:48,813 --> 00:59:51,693
Speaker 23: a woman, I'm just asking if the people were so

1197
00:59:51,973 --> 00:59:55,693
Speaker 23: undertrained and they weren't enough of people on that were

1198
00:59:56,373 --> 00:59:57,973
Speaker 23: is it because of DEI hiring.

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00:59:58,333 --> 01:00:00,733
Speaker 3: I've got no idea all I can give you, Jill,

1200
01:00:00,773 --> 01:00:02,733
Speaker 3: and it's probably not a great answer to your question.

1201
01:00:02,973 --> 01:00:05,933
Speaker 3: But the report did mention, and it came from the

1202
01:00:06,173 --> 01:00:10,413
Speaker 3: Admiral Garren Golding, that the different technologies on the vessel

1203
01:00:10,453 --> 01:00:13,493
Speaker 3: or a massive problem for the Defense Force and the Navy.

1204
01:00:14,293 --> 01:00:17,853
Speaker 3: So the different technologies on the vessels, so that the

1205
01:00:18,853 --> 01:00:21,413
Speaker 3: personnel going on this particular vessel may have been trained

1206
01:00:21,493 --> 01:00:24,613
Speaker 3: up for a different style of vessel and they weren't

1207
01:00:24,613 --> 01:00:26,573
Speaker 3: trained up for this particular vessel. But that is a

1208
01:00:26,613 --> 01:00:28,813
Speaker 3: mass mass of failing. But to your point, don't know.

1209
01:00:29,453 --> 01:00:33,413
Speaker 2: Thanks you call Jill this Texas says. Tony says, are

1210
01:00:33,453 --> 01:00:35,933
Speaker 2: you aware that New Zealand Navy has more admirals than

1211
01:00:36,013 --> 01:00:38,973
Speaker 2: sea worthy fighting ships? It's interesting fact if it's true.

1212
01:00:39,933 --> 01:00:41,173
Speaker 3: That is a good factoid.

1213
01:00:41,973 --> 01:00:44,693
Speaker 2: I served twenty years in the Royal New Zealand Navy,

1214
01:00:44,733 --> 01:00:47,133
Speaker 2: including six years on board our ships, of which three

1215
01:00:47,253 --> 01:00:51,853
Speaker 2: years was on board HG men ZS A Manoa, a

1216
01:00:52,613 --> 01:00:57,853
Speaker 2: hydrographic survey ship. My first thought upon the most recent grounding,

1217
01:00:58,413 --> 01:01:00,373
Speaker 2: to my surprise, was why was a vessel of that

1218
01:01:00,493 --> 01:01:02,213
Speaker 2: size so close to the reef? Back in the day,

1219
01:01:02,293 --> 01:01:05,893
Speaker 2: smaller survey vessels carried on board ship would have been

1220
01:01:05,973 --> 01:01:08,933
Speaker 2: used in those kind of shallow wa Yep.

1221
01:01:09,093 --> 01:01:11,973
Speaker 3: Now I mentioned, sorry that quote from the Admiral Rare,

1222
01:01:12,173 --> 01:01:15,213
Speaker 3: Admiral Garren Golden, and this is the direct quote. So

1223
01:01:15,333 --> 01:01:17,453
Speaker 3: he said there were a range of issues, including the

1224
01:01:17,573 --> 01:01:20,573
Speaker 3: lack of commonality across the fleet, which this is a

1225
01:01:20,613 --> 01:01:23,453
Speaker 3: direct quote, which means our people need to constantly adapt

1226
01:01:23,493 --> 01:01:26,413
Speaker 3: to new procedures each time they change ships. We need

1227
01:01:26,493 --> 01:01:28,973
Speaker 3: to do things differently. We need to adapt to new technologies,

1228
01:01:29,053 --> 01:01:31,293
Speaker 3: change the way we approach what we do and find

1229
01:01:31,333 --> 01:01:33,693
Speaker 3: new ways to continue to deliver upon what is expected

1230
01:01:33,733 --> 01:01:33,973
Speaker 3: of us.

1231
01:01:34,133 --> 01:01:36,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, and further to what Sarah just text, she was

1232
01:01:36,733 --> 01:01:38,373
Speaker 2: the person that has served on it twenty years in

1233
01:01:38,413 --> 01:01:41,013
Speaker 2: the rural New Zealand Navy. They have come back and

1234
01:01:41,133 --> 01:01:43,693
Speaker 2: said that the ship itself was not cleared for the

1235
01:01:43,773 --> 01:01:46,013
Speaker 2: work it was doing so, you know, as you're saying

1236
01:01:46,093 --> 01:01:48,613
Speaker 2: Sarah that you'd expect us smaller survey boats to be

1237
01:01:48,653 --> 01:01:50,133
Speaker 2: doing it. And that was the first thing that Sarah

1238
01:01:50,453 --> 01:01:52,373
Speaker 2: thought when she heard that went down. Why was it

1239
01:01:52,413 --> 01:01:56,173
Speaker 2: so close to the reef? And looks by this court

1240
01:01:56,573 --> 01:01:59,053
Speaker 2: has said that it was not cleared to be doing that,

1241
01:01:59,373 --> 01:02:03,613
Speaker 2: which is very interesting. Chris, your ex navy.

1242
01:02:04,693 --> 01:02:09,653
Speaker 4: Yes, in the late succeeds, early seventies. My view would

1243
01:02:09,653 --> 01:02:14,253
Speaker 4: be there, I'm surprised that they aren't talking about a

1244
01:02:14,293 --> 01:02:19,493
Speaker 4: court martial there. I think I was the last naval

1245
01:02:19,533 --> 01:02:21,813
Speaker 4: court martial of a high ranking officer, But there's been

1246
01:02:21,893 --> 01:02:25,133
Speaker 4: court martials right across down to the lower deck for

1247
01:02:25,693 --> 01:02:30,813
Speaker 4: far less than that. So my view would be that

1248
01:02:30,973 --> 01:02:34,093
Speaker 4: on the bridge there would have been probably two ratings,

1249
01:02:34,893 --> 01:02:38,733
Speaker 4: the chief petty officer and navigation officer. I would say

1250
01:02:39,213 --> 01:02:43,853
Speaker 4: that the captain and the navigation officer. If it was

1251
01:02:43,933 --> 01:02:46,573
Speaker 4: on the deck, I would say they are definitely in

1252
01:02:47,253 --> 01:02:48,013
Speaker 4: a demotion.

1253
01:02:48,653 --> 01:02:51,413
Speaker 2: Now, Chris, what powers does the court martial have?

1254
01:02:53,533 --> 01:02:54,453
Speaker 4: Court martial.

1255
01:02:55,733 --> 01:02:57,733
Speaker 2: Can it go as far as does it just find

1256
01:02:57,853 --> 01:03:02,213
Speaker 2: culpability and demotion, or can it lead to the demotion or.

1257
01:03:02,813 --> 01:03:09,773
Speaker 4: Demotion or they're sent out Navy, Army, or air force.

1258
01:03:10,133 --> 01:03:12,693
Speaker 2: So it can't go as far as the equivalent of

1259
01:03:12,773 --> 01:03:16,413
Speaker 2: criminal proceedings with casta hoody or sentences or.

1260
01:03:16,453 --> 01:03:24,613
Speaker 4: So generally, unless it's involved with us in a civil situation,

1261
01:03:26,933 --> 01:03:31,373
Speaker 4: then that's possible. But none of us, none of us

1262
01:03:31,533 --> 01:03:39,333
Speaker 4: directly involved in an enforces situation with no civilian consequences.

1263
01:03:40,013 --> 01:03:44,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this court didn't have any disciplinary you know, capabilities,

1264
01:03:44,253 --> 01:03:46,573
Speaker 2: does it, But but you think that there will then

1265
01:03:46,693 --> 01:03:50,493
Speaker 2: move on to a court martial of They've said that

1266
01:03:51,053 --> 01:03:52,693
Speaker 2: out of the forty five people on board, there were

1267
01:03:52,733 --> 01:03:59,133
Speaker 2: twenty personal deficiencies, So yes, would that suggest twenty court martials?

1268
01:04:00,493 --> 01:04:04,093
Speaker 4: No, No, they wouldn't. Unfortunately, and I feel sorry for

1269
01:04:04,213 --> 01:04:07,093
Speaker 4: the I can't remember her name, but you know she

1270
01:04:07,573 --> 01:04:11,133
Speaker 4: made gray Yeah sorry, came with high credentials from the

1271
01:04:11,213 --> 01:04:16,293
Speaker 4: real Navy. No, No, she would be. She would be

1272
01:04:16,693 --> 01:04:21,493
Speaker 4: at the top high would think that she'll you know,

1273
01:04:21,733 --> 01:04:27,573
Speaker 4: she might be demoted down to maybe a lieutenant or

1274
01:04:27,893 --> 01:04:32,013
Speaker 4: lieutenant commander, could be, could be. I'd be surprised, which.

1275
01:04:31,853 --> 01:04:34,173
Speaker 2: Is not so you know, you know that how this

1276
01:04:34,453 --> 01:04:37,053
Speaker 2: goes down. Having been in the Navy, so they're saying

1277
01:04:37,093 --> 01:04:40,413
Speaker 2: that the ship should never have been doing that what

1278
01:04:40,533 --> 01:04:42,773
Speaker 2: it was doing, and that no one on board was

1279
01:04:42,853 --> 01:04:44,813
Speaker 2: trained to do it, and that the ship wasn't cleared

1280
01:04:44,853 --> 01:04:48,813
Speaker 2: to do it. Who would have made the decision or

1281
01:04:50,373 --> 01:04:53,133
Speaker 2: made the order for that to have happened? Would that

1282
01:04:53,293 --> 01:04:56,573
Speaker 2: happen on the on board? Would that of order be

1283
01:04:56,733 --> 01:04:58,813
Speaker 2: part before they even left? Sure?

1284
01:05:00,253 --> 01:05:02,613
Speaker 4: No, that crew, that crew would have been selected on

1285
01:05:03,613 --> 01:05:07,773
Speaker 4: either it was their turn and on merit as well.

1286
01:05:07,813 --> 01:05:11,733
Speaker 4: I mean that they're trying the trained hydro either ratings,

1287
01:05:12,013 --> 01:05:17,453
Speaker 4: petty officers or officers in hydro products in hydros surveying,

1288
01:05:17,613 --> 01:05:19,613
Speaker 4: So that would that would have been that would have

1289
01:05:19,653 --> 01:05:23,093
Speaker 4: been those appointments would be made at PHILAML.

1290
01:05:23,213 --> 01:05:25,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the court, the court has found there was

1291
01:05:25,293 --> 01:05:27,413
Speaker 2: no one on board who was qualified enough to carry

1292
01:05:27,453 --> 01:05:30,493
Speaker 2: out the hydrographic surveying, that the ship was tasked worth doing,

1293
01:05:30,573 --> 01:05:32,733
Speaker 2: and that the ship itself was not cleared for for

1294
01:05:32,853 --> 01:05:36,293
Speaker 2: that work. So I'm just yeah, I'm someone just asking

1295
01:05:36,373 --> 01:05:39,293
Speaker 2: who would have who would have ordered that work to

1296
01:05:39,373 --> 01:05:43,093
Speaker 2: be done, because wouldn't that wouldn't that person also be

1297
01:05:43,253 --> 01:05:46,453
Speaker 2: under under the spotlight as well? You know, I don't

1298
01:05:46,493 --> 01:05:48,173
Speaker 2: know how it works. I don't know how it works,

1299
01:05:48,333 --> 01:05:49,933
Speaker 2: but it doesn't seem like to me that a ship

1300
01:05:49,973 --> 01:05:52,733
Speaker 2: would just go out and randomly do surveying for fun.

1301
01:05:53,933 --> 01:06:00,893
Speaker 4: The the the postings or drafts are done. Sure, yeah

1302
01:06:01,893 --> 01:06:06,173
Speaker 4: bye bye that that who responsible for for crewing are

1303
01:06:07,373 --> 01:06:08,613
Speaker 4: massive fleet.

1304
01:06:12,533 --> 01:06:15,413
Speaker 3: So just on there, Chris. So, the commander of any

1305
01:06:15,493 --> 01:06:18,893
Speaker 3: vessel is not necessarily responsible for the training of the personnel,

1306
01:06:18,933 --> 01:06:21,013
Speaker 3: but they should be across at once they are assigned

1307
01:06:21,053 --> 01:06:22,493
Speaker 3: to their fleet, their vessel.

1308
01:06:23,893 --> 01:06:28,853
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and I think today it's the same as

1309
01:06:29,333 --> 01:06:33,293
Speaker 4: when I was in The overall captain of a fregrate

1310
01:06:33,413 --> 01:06:38,853
Speaker 4: has the right to have some crew on or not

1311
01:06:38,973 --> 01:06:43,333
Speaker 4: have some crew on if he's not completely happy. But yeah,

1312
01:06:43,413 --> 01:06:47,173
Speaker 4: they should have been they should have been trained on shore.

1313
01:06:47,453 --> 01:06:53,293
Speaker 4: And then I guess she should have ensured that they were.

1314
01:06:53,413 --> 01:06:58,013
Speaker 4: But this is staggering. I can't remember. I can't remember

1315
01:06:58,093 --> 01:07:00,813
Speaker 4: anything in the last since that's the rule Jon they

1316
01:07:00,933 --> 01:07:06,213
Speaker 4: were formed in nineteen forty. It's been this bad, that

1317
01:07:06,373 --> 01:07:09,813
Speaker 4: number of people, a number of naval personnel untrained.

1318
01:07:10,213 --> 01:07:12,573
Speaker 2: Would it be Would it be too harsh to say

1319
01:07:12,733 --> 01:07:15,133
Speaker 2: that this is humiliating for our navy?

1320
01:07:16,733 --> 01:07:22,573
Speaker 4: Oh totally yeah, I mean, I mean the commodore of

1321
01:07:23,693 --> 01:07:29,693
Speaker 4: a mind fillmo and and and and the rear Admiral

1322
01:07:29,733 --> 01:07:31,853
Speaker 4: will be will probably be in the garner that we'll

1323
01:07:31,853 --> 01:07:36,773
Speaker 4: certainly be embarrassed. I mean, Judith Collins's defense minister. She

1324
01:07:37,053 --> 01:07:39,653
Speaker 4: probably hasn't had any you know, we normally have defense

1325
01:07:39,733 --> 01:07:43,413
Speaker 4: ministers that have served in one of the forces or not.

1326
01:07:43,573 --> 01:07:45,693
Speaker 4: She's she's the first for a while that hasn't right,

1327
01:07:47,213 --> 01:07:51,413
Speaker 4: it'll be it'll be interesting, but it's Yeah, as I say,

1328
01:07:51,453 --> 01:07:55,773
Speaker 4: I've seen court martials for ratings and officers for a

1329
01:07:55,853 --> 01:07:59,333
Speaker 4: lot worth a lot less than what's happened here.

1330
01:08:00,013 --> 01:08:04,333
Speaker 2: And Chris, Yeah, sorry, Chris, you've seen. You were just

1331
01:08:04,333 --> 01:08:06,973
Speaker 2: saying that you've seen court martials for a lot less. Now, Chris,

1332
01:08:07,013 --> 01:08:10,373
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people coming through quicking the qualifications

1333
01:08:10,573 --> 01:08:13,213
Speaker 2: of Commander Gray. But you were saying before that you

1334
01:08:13,693 --> 01:08:17,692
Speaker 2: think that she was fully qualified for the job coming

1335
01:08:17,773 --> 01:08:20,013
Speaker 2: up through the British Navy.

1336
01:08:21,253 --> 01:08:25,692
Speaker 4: Well, she was certainly qualified to probably command a frigate

1337
01:08:25,973 --> 01:08:31,492
Speaker 4: or a survey vessel. I don't obviously have any insight

1338
01:08:31,612 --> 01:08:35,652
Speaker 4: on how much a qualification she had in surveying, but

1339
01:08:36,772 --> 01:08:41,092
Speaker 4: she certainly would have had very very good qualifications of handling.

1340
01:08:41,372 --> 01:08:43,492
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know what sort of posting

1341
01:08:43,973 --> 01:08:46,333
Speaker 4: what she had in the Royal Navy, whether she's been

1342
01:08:46,412 --> 01:08:51,013
Speaker 4: first officer on a frigate or a destroyer. But I

1343
01:08:51,053 --> 01:08:53,253
Speaker 4: would imagine she would have had to been She would

1344
01:08:53,293 --> 01:08:56,532
Speaker 4: have had to have been at least first officer on

1345
01:08:57,053 --> 01:09:03,572
Speaker 4: a reasonably modern Royal Navy destroyer or frigate to have

1346
01:09:03,612 --> 01:09:04,253
Speaker 4: got that position.

1347
01:09:04,532 --> 01:09:07,412
Speaker 2: Thank you for you call, Chris. The crew and the

1348
01:09:07,452 --> 01:09:10,933
Speaker 2: commanding office of the Navy of the ship were undertrained

1349
01:09:11,013 --> 01:09:12,852
Speaker 2: and the boat was not up to the task. That's

1350
01:09:12,893 --> 01:09:15,532
Speaker 2: what they came up with. So you know she was

1351
01:09:15,612 --> 01:09:17,532
Speaker 2: qualified for the for the job or not that they

1352
01:09:17,652 --> 01:09:20,692
Speaker 2: found that she was undertrained for the specific action.

1353
01:09:21,013 --> 01:09:23,213
Speaker 3: Yeap, very interesting phone call. Oh one hundred and eighty

1354
01:09:23,293 --> 01:09:24,932
Speaker 3: teen eighty is the number to call. Love to hear

1355
01:09:24,973 --> 01:09:27,492
Speaker 3: your thoughts on this Reporting to the sinking of the Monea.

1356
01:09:27,492 --> 01:09:27,852
Speaker 18: We know it.

1357
01:09:27,933 --> 01:09:29,213
Speaker 3: It is seventeen to three.

1358
01:09:30,412 --> 01:09:33,772
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

1359
01:09:34,133 --> 01:09:35,092
Speaker 1: everything in between.

1360
01:09:35,412 --> 01:09:37,652
Speaker 2: Matt and Tayler afternoons used talks.

1361
01:09:37,692 --> 01:09:40,133
Speaker 3: They'd be it is fourteen to three. We're talking about

1362
01:09:40,213 --> 01:09:42,692
Speaker 3: the Court of Inquiry reporting to the sinking of the Manna.

1363
01:09:42,692 --> 01:09:45,532
Speaker 3: Were knew. It is very damning and Mam, we've had

1364
01:09:46,053 --> 01:09:47,372
Speaker 3: truckloads of texts come through.

1365
01:09:47,492 --> 01:09:49,692
Speaker 2: This is what I was trying to ask, Chris, Has

1366
01:09:49,692 --> 01:09:52,492
Speaker 2: anyone checked the text ass has anyone checked where the

1367
01:09:52,572 --> 01:09:56,293
Speaker 2: command came from? Was it via email? It's a fact

1368
01:09:56,333 --> 01:10:00,612
Speaker 2: that someone blah blah blah, things can go wrong. Well, anyway,

1369
01:10:00,732 --> 01:10:02,173
Speaker 2: the point I was trying to say in a bunch

1370
01:10:02,213 --> 01:10:04,213
Speaker 2: of people are texting the same kind of thing as

1371
01:10:06,692 --> 01:10:11,412
Speaker 2: so they don't just go out there and randomly decide

1372
01:10:11,532 --> 01:10:16,572
Speaker 2: to survey our reef Surely those that is that direction

1373
01:10:17,213 --> 01:10:21,972
Speaker 2: comes from, sure from command above those on the boat.

1374
01:10:22,253 --> 01:10:25,093
Speaker 2: Unless you've got your command as you know, your orders

1375
01:10:25,093 --> 01:10:27,173
Speaker 2: are to just go pissed around some and just have

1376
01:10:27,293 --> 01:10:31,253
Speaker 2: a bit of fun and you know, survey anything you

1377
01:10:31,372 --> 01:10:34,372
Speaker 2: feel like. Because you know they're saying there was no

1378
01:10:34,452 --> 01:10:36,213
Speaker 2: one on board who was qualified enough to carry out

1379
01:10:36,293 --> 01:10:39,732
Speaker 2: the hydrograpt I'll keep reading the same amount hydrographics surveying

1380
01:10:39,812 --> 01:10:42,053
Speaker 2: that the ship was tasked with doing, and the ship

1381
01:10:42,093 --> 01:10:44,012
Speaker 2: itself was not cleared for the work the corn found.

1382
01:10:44,133 --> 01:10:46,293
Speaker 2: So who said to do it?

1383
01:10:47,053 --> 01:10:49,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'd love to know what the hierarchy is above.

1384
01:10:50,812 --> 01:10:53,412
Speaker 3: She was a commander, right, So then you've got the

1385
01:10:53,532 --> 01:10:56,173
Speaker 3: rear admiral who's right at the top of our navy

1386
01:10:56,213 --> 01:11:01,133
Speaker 3: at the moment, So surely there is people above the

1387
01:11:01,253 --> 01:11:02,932
Speaker 3: commander who may have made that decision.

1388
01:11:03,053 --> 01:11:04,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know exactly how it works,

1389
01:11:04,973 --> 01:11:06,933
Speaker 2: but I imagine that you just don't do you just

1390
01:11:07,013 --> 01:11:09,932
Speaker 2: have general, you know, survey what you feel like surveying

1391
01:11:10,093 --> 01:11:12,333
Speaker 2: and just hanging around outside for a bit and have

1392
01:11:12,412 --> 01:11:15,133
Speaker 2: a bit of a cruise. I mean, why were they

1393
01:11:15,213 --> 01:11:18,253
Speaker 2: serving that surveying that reef? Yeah toward end, Hey, guys,

1394
01:11:18,333 --> 01:11:20,692
Speaker 2: that chap is completely wrong. The military court martial has

1395
01:11:20,772 --> 01:11:22,852
Speaker 2: the same powers of a high court with the New

1396
01:11:22,933 --> 01:11:27,372
Speaker 2: Zealand and has the powers to incarcerate military personnel, distarge, fine,

1397
01:11:27,452 --> 01:11:31,052
Speaker 2: and demote. Sometimes it does all four depending on the charge.

1398
01:11:31,133 --> 01:11:34,013
Speaker 2: That's from Dave. So would you get put into a

1399
01:11:34,093 --> 01:11:34,852
Speaker 2: military prison?

1400
01:11:35,333 --> 01:11:36,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose you would.

1401
01:11:36,452 --> 01:11:37,053
Speaker 8: And where is that?

1402
01:11:37,213 --> 01:11:39,532
Speaker 2: And which case would you be in there? By yourself?

1403
01:11:40,333 --> 01:11:42,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're in too many rooms? Would they not?

1404
01:11:42,893 --> 01:11:44,772
Speaker 2: In New Zealand and the Navy is at a floating prison?

1405
01:11:45,853 --> 01:11:48,053
Speaker 2: Do you just get put in the in the brig Oh?

1406
01:11:48,133 --> 01:11:51,253
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty if you do know, Jay,

1407
01:11:51,933 --> 01:11:52,652
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.

1408
01:11:54,013 --> 01:11:55,012
Speaker 13: Hey guys, how are you going?

1409
01:11:55,133 --> 01:11:55,333
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1410
01:11:55,372 --> 01:11:59,452
Speaker 13: Good, good, Hey, i'd just like to push back on

1411
01:11:59,532 --> 01:12:05,253
Speaker 13: a couple of comments that I've heard recently. The as

1412
01:12:05,333 --> 01:12:08,852
Speaker 13: far as the master of the vessel captain goes. You know,

1413
01:12:08,893 --> 01:12:11,333
Speaker 13: I haven't worked in the navy, but I've worked in

1414
01:12:11,372 --> 01:12:17,532
Speaker 13: the commercial sector as a decan and for about sixty years.

1415
01:12:18,812 --> 01:12:21,532
Speaker 13: But as soon as you step on board a vessel,

1416
01:12:21,732 --> 01:12:25,612
Speaker 13: the master is in command. So the master needs to

1417
01:12:26,093 --> 01:12:32,293
Speaker 13: the captain needs to be on everything. So if they

1418
01:12:32,492 --> 01:12:36,172
Speaker 13: haven't got the staff or the crew that can manage

1419
01:12:36,812 --> 01:12:42,253
Speaker 13: the task, then they're responsible for finding crew that can

1420
01:12:42,333 --> 01:12:46,532
Speaker 13: manage the task. If the captain's been given a role

1421
01:12:46,612 --> 01:12:49,772
Speaker 13: that the vessel can't do or that the master is

1422
01:12:49,853 --> 01:12:55,893
Speaker 13: unable to do, then the captain's the captain's responsibility is

1423
01:12:56,013 --> 01:12:59,812
Speaker 13: going above them and sorting that out. But as soon

1424
01:12:59,853 --> 01:13:04,173
Speaker 13: as everyone's on board the boat, as far as navigational

1425
01:13:04,492 --> 01:13:08,133
Speaker 13: stuff goes, if you can't take a vessel on and

1426
01:13:08,452 --> 01:13:13,492
Speaker 13: off auto pilot, then you should never be anywhere in there.

1427
01:13:15,612 --> 01:13:18,933
Speaker 2: So you're saying, Jay, that the commanding officer should have

1428
01:13:19,013 --> 01:13:21,133
Speaker 2: looked around and said, look, the crew isn't trained to

1429
01:13:21,612 --> 01:13:24,772
Speaker 2: do this, and and the ship as.

1430
01:13:25,612 --> 01:13:29,173
Speaker 13: What I'm what I'm saying is that the captain is

1431
01:13:29,253 --> 01:13:33,772
Speaker 13: responsible for everything that happens and with that vessel, I mean,

1432
01:13:33,933 --> 01:13:39,532
Speaker 13: let's let's let's just go sideways. Imagine this conversation in uh,

1433
01:13:40,893 --> 01:13:47,732
Speaker 13: the aeronautic industry. Imagine a captain of a plane using

1434
01:13:47,812 --> 01:13:48,452
Speaker 13: this excuse.

1435
01:13:49,452 --> 01:13:51,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean she hasn't. We haven't heard from it. Also,

1436
01:13:51,812 --> 01:13:55,253
Speaker 2: I don't she's personally not using any excuse at the stage,

1437
01:13:55,772 --> 01:13:57,133
Speaker 2: but some people are.

1438
01:13:57,652 --> 01:14:03,612
Speaker 13: The airline there, the captain wasn't. The captain wasn't allowed

1439
01:14:03,692 --> 01:14:07,333
Speaker 13: to fly at a certain height. Therefore, you know what

1440
01:14:07,372 --> 01:14:07,652
Speaker 13: I mean?

1441
01:14:07,853 --> 01:14:10,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But what about a situation, Jay, where you

1442
01:14:11,093 --> 01:14:14,812
Speaker 2: could rightfully expect certain members of your crew to know

1443
01:14:14,933 --> 01:14:18,852
Speaker 2: what they were doing, and then below you they let you,

1444
01:14:19,173 --> 01:14:21,812
Speaker 2: let you down, so you had every reason to believe

1445
01:14:21,853 --> 01:14:23,812
Speaker 2: they were up to it, but then you found out

1446
01:14:23,853 --> 01:14:26,933
Speaker 2: that they weren't. Would that still be the captain's or

1447
01:14:26,973 --> 01:14:29,372
Speaker 2: the commander in this case's responsibility.

1448
01:14:30,293 --> 01:14:34,372
Speaker 13: Well, well, I believe it. I believe it's the captain's

1449
01:14:35,093 --> 01:14:40,692
Speaker 13: duty to ensure that everyone is up to scratch on board,

1450
01:14:42,412 --> 01:14:46,933
Speaker 13: and yeah, if they're not, then you.

1451
01:14:46,973 --> 01:14:49,532
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, Well, thank you so much for your insights, Jae.

1452
01:14:49,532 --> 01:14:52,213
Speaker 2: I appreciate that military prism on n you. This actually

1453
01:14:52,412 --> 01:14:54,133
Speaker 2: It's funny when you say things out loud and then

1454
01:14:54,133 --> 01:14:56,452
Speaker 2: you actually knew the answer. But thankfully we've got the

1455
01:14:57,053 --> 01:14:59,652
Speaker 2: the oracle. It is nine to nine two that gives

1456
01:14:59,732 --> 01:15:02,732
Speaker 2: us all we need and all of it one hundred

1457
01:15:02,732 --> 01:15:05,772
Speaker 2: percent reliable. Military prism Is that burn a military camp?

1458
01:15:06,372 --> 01:15:09,532
Speaker 2: How do I know? I've been there serving in the army, right,

1459
01:15:09,853 --> 01:15:11,532
Speaker 2: So of course you used to hear about burn And

1460
01:15:11,572 --> 01:15:14,612
Speaker 2: military camp all the time. So how many people are

1461
01:15:14,652 --> 01:15:17,293
Speaker 2: currently incarcerated in Burning Military Camp? Is it just a

1462
01:15:17,372 --> 01:15:20,253
Speaker 2: drunk tank for people that have got a bit loose? Surely?

1463
01:15:20,612 --> 01:15:22,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're in there for twenty four hours. And Digster,

1464
01:15:22,652 --> 01:15:25,372
Speaker 3: if you said that you've been there while serving, love

1465
01:15:25,452 --> 01:15:26,812
Speaker 3: to hear what you did to get a bit of

1466
01:15:26,893 --> 01:15:29,052
Speaker 3: time in the Burnham Military Jail.

1467
01:15:29,372 --> 01:15:31,572
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear from someone that knows more about

1468
01:15:31,572 --> 01:15:34,093
Speaker 2: burn And Military camp. And why did I hear it

1469
01:15:34,133 --> 01:15:35,972
Speaker 2: about it so much in my childhood? But I haven't

1470
01:15:35,973 --> 01:15:36,972
Speaker 2: heard about it for a while.

1471
01:15:37,692 --> 01:15:40,732
Speaker 3: Ah Right, We're going to take a quick break, but

1472
01:15:40,772 --> 01:15:42,253
Speaker 3: we're going to come back with more of your calls.

1473
01:15:42,293 --> 01:15:45,573
Speaker 3: It is eight to three the issues.

1474
01:15:45,293 --> 01:15:47,732
Speaker 1: That affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.

1475
01:15:47,973 --> 01:15:50,892
Speaker 1: Matten Taylor afternoons used talks be.

1476
01:15:52,933 --> 01:15:54,492
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, it is six to three.

1477
01:15:54,692 --> 01:15:57,732
Speaker 2: This is really interesting. The maritime component commander, which is

1478
01:15:57,732 --> 01:16:00,492
Speaker 2: a commodore, determines the role of the ship and tasks

1479
01:16:00,692 --> 01:16:03,972
Speaker 2: of that ship. You have a very interesting situation where

1480
01:16:04,013 --> 01:16:06,572
Speaker 2: the MCC who sent the ship was promoted to the

1481
01:16:06,652 --> 01:16:09,812
Speaker 2: current admiral whilst the sh travel till some are so

1482
01:16:10,013 --> 01:16:12,892
Speaker 2: that could be the spanner in the works. That's very interesting,

1483
01:16:13,333 --> 01:16:16,533
Speaker 2: simply says Dave. The crew was not trained on azipod

1484
01:16:16,612 --> 01:16:20,293
Speaker 2: propulsion systems that the ship had. And the azipods are

1485
01:16:20,333 --> 01:16:24,612
Speaker 2: interesting because they are you know, they're they're essentially what

1486
01:16:24,652 --> 01:16:26,372
Speaker 2: would be the best way to describe it, so there

1487
01:16:26,692 --> 01:16:30,452
Speaker 2: they they fire either way, so you can they can

1488
01:16:31,013 --> 01:16:33,372
Speaker 2: you turn them around and they're independent. The asy pods

1489
01:16:33,372 --> 01:16:37,612
Speaker 2: the same way to have that kind of level of control.

1490
01:16:37,973 --> 01:16:40,013
Speaker 2: And one of the things that was odd is that

1491
01:16:40,253 --> 01:16:43,492
Speaker 2: they actually accelerated towards the reef when they were concerned

1492
01:16:43,492 --> 01:16:45,812
Speaker 2: about it, which suggested that they didn't know which round

1493
01:16:45,853 --> 01:16:50,093
Speaker 2: which way around the azy pods were. James very quickly

1494
01:16:50,133 --> 01:16:52,532
Speaker 2: because we've got to go to the news. Your thoughts

1495
01:16:52,572 --> 01:16:55,492
Speaker 2: on this, Yeah, I used to.

1496
01:16:55,492 --> 01:17:00,053
Speaker 11: Be kept on similar vessels to these and yeah, it's

1497
01:17:00,372 --> 01:17:02,333
Speaker 11: I think it'll be quite interesting to see what happens

1498
01:17:02,372 --> 01:17:03,812
Speaker 11: when when all the informations out.

1499
01:17:04,572 --> 01:17:07,812
Speaker 2: Hey, James, will you sound like the exactly like the

1500
01:17:07,853 --> 01:17:10,772
Speaker 2: person when need to talk to? Could we come could

1501
01:17:10,812 --> 01:17:12,973
Speaker 2: we get you to hold on and come back to

1502
01:17:12,973 --> 01:17:14,372
Speaker 2: you after the news, because runn out of time, But

1503
01:17:14,372 --> 01:17:16,013
Speaker 2: I think you're exactly the person we need to talk to.

1504
01:17:18,492 --> 01:17:20,293
Speaker 3: You're a good man. We've only gone about fifty seconds

1505
01:17:20,293 --> 01:17:21,732
Speaker 3: to the news, So just hold there, James, and we'll

1506
01:17:21,772 --> 01:17:24,652
Speaker 3: come back to you after three o'clock. Quick couple of

1507
01:17:24,772 --> 01:17:26,892
Speaker 3: texts to the news and we'll come back with James.

1508
01:17:27,572 --> 01:17:30,012
Speaker 2: As were they trained by the same people that train

1509
01:17:30,213 --> 01:17:32,052
Speaker 2: our faery captains?

1510
01:17:32,253 --> 01:17:35,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know this tix. So guys, it's

1511
01:17:35,452 --> 01:17:38,852
Speaker 3: very simple. If the INZ Navy top brass brass rather

1512
01:17:38,973 --> 01:17:41,333
Speaker 3: knowingly sent that ship and crew to do that survey

1513
01:17:41,412 --> 01:17:43,253
Speaker 3: without the proper training, then it is on the top

1514
01:17:43,692 --> 01:17:46,532
Speaker 3: brass and the Minister to resign as well.

1515
01:17:46,572 --> 01:17:48,852
Speaker 2: That's from Steve and the six says, grow a set

1516
01:17:48,893 --> 01:17:52,253
Speaker 2: of testicles. It's DEI so many leaving our forces because

1517
01:17:52,452 --> 01:17:53,372
Speaker 2: of being overlooked.

1518
01:17:53,532 --> 01:17:55,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, All right, we'll keep this.

1519
01:17:55,412 --> 01:17:57,333
Speaker 2: Going a little bit and talk to James just after

1520
01:17:57,412 --> 01:17:57,732
Speaker 2: the news.

1521
01:17:57,812 --> 01:17:59,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, by eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1522
01:17:59,893 --> 01:18:03,133
Speaker 3: number to call. It is four minutes to three, New

1523
01:18:03,173 --> 01:18:05,772
Speaker 3: Sport and weather on its way. Great to have your

1524
01:18:05,812 --> 01:18:26,852
Speaker 3: company as always listening to matt and Tyler News Talk.

1525
01:18:28,173 --> 01:18:32,452
Speaker 1: Your new homes are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1526
01:18:32,732 --> 01:18:36,613
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sebby.

1527
01:18:38,173 --> 01:18:41,612
Speaker 3: News Talks ed. Be very good afternoon to you. Now

1528
01:18:41,692 --> 01:18:45,333
Speaker 3: before the news, we had a gentleman called James who

1529
01:18:45,532 --> 01:18:48,293
Speaker 3: rang up and he was a man who had a

1530
01:18:48,372 --> 01:18:50,612
Speaker 3: lot of knowledge in this realm when we're talking about

1531
01:18:50,612 --> 01:18:53,892
Speaker 3: the sinking of the Manawi and the report that came out. Now, James,

1532
01:18:54,532 --> 01:18:57,812
Speaker 3: I think we've got him here, James, James, mate, thank

1533
01:18:57,853 --> 01:19:00,333
Speaker 3: you very much for hanging over the news. Really appreciate it.

1534
01:19:00,412 --> 01:19:02,173
Speaker 3: You're a good man to chat to because you used

1535
01:19:02,213 --> 01:19:04,812
Speaker 3: to work on a vessel pretty much identical to the

1536
01:19:04,853 --> 01:19:06,052
Speaker 3: one that sunk the Mona.

1537
01:19:06,492 --> 01:19:06,852
Speaker 8: Is that right?

1538
01:19:08,372 --> 01:19:08,852
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's right.

1539
01:19:08,933 --> 01:19:11,973
Speaker 11: I was chief officer on one just like it and

1540
01:19:12,532 --> 01:19:13,652
Speaker 11: keptain on a bunch of others.

1541
01:19:13,933 --> 01:19:17,532
Speaker 2: Oh wow, So what's the difference between chief officer and captain?

1542
01:19:17,652 --> 01:19:20,932
Speaker 11: For those of us that know nothing of when you're

1543
01:19:20,933 --> 01:19:22,973
Speaker 11: not in the navy. Either the captain's the captain, the

1544
01:19:23,053 --> 01:19:25,612
Speaker 11: chief officer, or the first mate is the one just

1545
01:19:25,652 --> 01:19:26,333
Speaker 11: below the captain.

1546
01:19:27,372 --> 01:19:30,933
Speaker 3: And you mentioned that the vessel that you worked on

1547
01:19:31,053 --> 01:19:36,372
Speaker 3: had these azipod propulsion systems and the same type of autopilot.

1548
01:19:38,173 --> 01:19:42,173
Speaker 11: Similar. Yeah, the ASI pots are very common, and especially

1549
01:19:42,173 --> 01:19:44,213
Speaker 11: in the oil and gas industry. A lot of fairies

1550
01:19:46,133 --> 01:19:49,333
Speaker 11: also cruise ships that sort of thing. It's the extremely common.

1551
01:19:49,372 --> 01:19:52,933
Speaker 11: Now they sound not too much for the navy, So.

1552
01:19:53,053 --> 01:19:57,972
Speaker 2: They sound complex. Are they hard to wrangle? Because you've

1553
01:19:58,013 --> 01:20:00,293
Speaker 2: got three sixty you've got going in different directions. They

1554
01:20:00,293 --> 01:20:02,293
Speaker 2: can go in opposing directions from each other, can't they

1555
01:20:03,652 --> 01:20:05,333
Speaker 2: They can, Yeah, and.

1556
01:20:05,492 --> 01:20:07,293
Speaker 11: You can do all those things. You can drive them manual,

1557
01:20:07,333 --> 01:20:10,652
Speaker 11: but normally i'm those are the things. There's automation that

1558
01:20:11,253 --> 01:20:11,973
Speaker 11: can drive them for you.

1559
01:20:12,372 --> 01:20:13,492
Speaker 9: I used to do all of it.

1560
01:20:15,013 --> 01:20:18,093
Speaker 11: But but yeah, so for surveying that they'd either be

1561
01:20:18,133 --> 01:20:20,732
Speaker 11: an autopilot or they'd be in DP. It's I think

1562
01:20:20,772 --> 01:20:22,532
Speaker 11: it's probably what the what they're touching on, but just

1563
01:20:22,612 --> 01:20:24,452
Speaker 11: not telling everyone because they don't want to confuse everyone.

1564
01:20:24,532 --> 01:20:27,972
Speaker 11: But it's it's they probably started tourturing with the DP system.

1565
01:20:28,093 --> 01:20:29,812
Speaker 2: What's the DP auto pilot?

1566
01:20:31,053 --> 01:20:33,652
Speaker 11: Oh, you left to gurgle it maybe all day.

1567
01:20:33,812 --> 01:20:36,452
Speaker 3: That's the dynamic positioning system, right, yeah, yeah.

1568
01:20:37,013 --> 01:20:39,652
Speaker 11: Dynamic positioning Yeah. So it's a it's basically it's a

1569
01:20:39,692 --> 01:20:43,852
Speaker 11: control system that will control the direction in the velocity

1570
01:20:43,933 --> 01:20:46,293
Speaker 11: of all your your screws and your your thrust. Is

1571
01:20:46,333 --> 01:20:46,772
Speaker 11: that sort of thing.

1572
01:20:47,893 --> 01:20:50,812
Speaker 3: So when and part of this report, James, was that

1573
01:20:50,933 --> 01:20:53,173
Speaker 3: it took ten minutes for the crew to regain full

1574
01:20:53,213 --> 01:20:58,333
Speaker 3: control of the ship's propulsion system when they disengaged that autopilot. Effectively,

1575
01:20:58,372 --> 01:21:01,492
Speaker 3: from your knowledge of similar vessels in similar systems like

1576
01:21:01,572 --> 01:21:06,132
Speaker 3: the DP, keeping that autopilot on, highly likely they wouldn't

1577
01:21:06,133 --> 01:21:06,812
Speaker 3: have run into trouble.

1578
01:21:09,173 --> 01:21:10,892
Speaker 11: You see. This is this is what I'm wondering when

1579
01:21:10,933 --> 01:21:13,253
Speaker 11: the full full report comes out, because when they're saying

1580
01:21:13,293 --> 01:21:15,213
Speaker 11: that DP, when they're saying auder pile, I don't know

1581
01:21:15,213 --> 01:21:17,173
Speaker 11: where they're actually meaning that they're They could be and

1582
01:21:17,372 --> 01:21:19,053
Speaker 11: they could have been in DP while they were doing

1583
01:21:19,213 --> 01:21:23,133
Speaker 11: the survey, right yeah, So when they say, you know,

1584
01:21:23,372 --> 01:21:26,492
Speaker 11: and your familiarization of those sort of ships is really

1585
01:21:26,492 --> 01:21:28,893
Speaker 11: important because there's there's a lot of design features of

1586
01:21:28,933 --> 01:21:32,932
Speaker 11: all the equipment. So the equipment does things, and if

1587
01:21:32,973 --> 01:21:34,852
Speaker 11: you're not familiar it does what what might might do

1588
01:21:34,933 --> 01:21:36,812
Speaker 11: what you're not wanted to do, but it's there. There

1589
01:21:36,853 --> 01:21:38,932
Speaker 11: are design features. It's like it's like, you know, if

1590
01:21:38,933 --> 01:21:41,773
Speaker 11: you've driven Japanese cars and you suddenly get into Mercedes.

1591
01:21:41,372 --> 01:21:42,772
Speaker 15: And you go, right, how how do I drop this?

1592
01:21:43,492 --> 01:21:45,173
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's like that, And.

1593
01:21:45,333 --> 01:21:48,652
Speaker 11: And familiarization is extremely important. And I don't want to

1594
01:21:48,692 --> 01:21:50,253
Speaker 11: load the captain up, but that that's one thing that

1595
01:21:50,333 --> 01:21:52,852
Speaker 11: they are they are responsible for is to make sure

1596
01:21:52,893 --> 01:21:55,692
Speaker 11: that anyone that is in control of anything does know

1597
01:21:55,772 --> 01:21:59,492
Speaker 11: what they're doing. Yeah, I had I had qualified officers

1598
01:21:59,532 --> 01:22:02,372
Speaker 11: on my ship who didn't do things that I expected

1599
01:22:02,372 --> 01:22:03,892
Speaker 11: them to, but it was up to me to make

1600
01:22:03,933 --> 01:22:06,812
Speaker 11: sure that they that I knew the limitations and made

1601
01:22:06,812 --> 01:22:07,732
Speaker 11: sure that they didn't know enough.

1602
01:22:08,572 --> 01:22:11,213
Speaker 2: That's intertally, because the finding from this quart is that

1603
01:22:11,293 --> 01:22:13,173
Speaker 2: there was no one on board who was qualified enough

1604
01:22:13,213 --> 01:22:15,572
Speaker 2: to carry out the hydrographics surveying that the ship was

1605
01:22:15,612 --> 01:22:18,053
Speaker 2: tasked with doing, and that the ship itself was not

1606
01:22:18,133 --> 01:22:21,412
Speaker 2: even cleared to do it. But you're saying that commercially,

1607
01:22:22,173 --> 01:22:25,253
Speaker 2: this kind of activity is happening all the time, and

1608
01:22:25,853 --> 01:22:28,293
Speaker 2: is standard there and a lot of people around the

1609
01:22:28,293 --> 01:22:29,893
Speaker 2: world that a lot of people around the world that

1610
01:22:29,933 --> 01:22:30,532
Speaker 2: are trained.

1611
01:22:30,293 --> 01:22:30,572
Speaker 4: To do it.

1612
01:22:32,053 --> 01:22:36,172
Speaker 11: Yeah, when they say not trained to do hydrographic surveying,

1613
01:22:36,293 --> 01:22:40,812
Speaker 11: you know the Navy has h hydrographic surveys, so and

1614
01:22:41,532 --> 01:22:43,772
Speaker 11: they did the surveying part. I think what the meaning

1615
01:22:43,853 --> 01:22:46,572
Speaker 11: is that, you know, reading between the lines, they probably

1616
01:22:46,652 --> 01:22:49,532
Speaker 11: didn't have someone to operate the bridge equipment, and the

1617
01:22:49,572 --> 01:22:51,852
Speaker 11: bridge equipment that they probably don't have the knowledge for

1618
01:22:52,013 --> 01:22:55,372
Speaker 11: is probably the dynamic positioning part of it, because that's

1619
01:22:55,372 --> 01:22:57,612
Speaker 11: a whole separate to I've got a master's ticket, an

1620
01:22:57,652 --> 01:23:00,452
Speaker 11: unlimited master's ticket, which means I can be captain of

1621
01:23:00,492 --> 01:23:03,293
Speaker 11: any ship in size anywhere in the world. But on

1622
01:23:03,372 --> 01:23:05,132
Speaker 11: top of that, you still have to have a dynamic

1623
01:23:05,213 --> 01:23:08,973
Speaker 11: positioning certificate, which is done using you do courses and

1624
01:23:09,013 --> 01:23:11,572
Speaker 11: you have time and the chair and that sort of thing.

1625
01:23:11,652 --> 01:23:13,893
Speaker 11: So it's a separate qualification in the merchant side. I

1626
01:23:13,893 --> 01:23:17,093
Speaker 11: don't know what they're doing the Navy side, but you'd

1627
01:23:17,093 --> 01:23:21,013
Speaker 11: be stupid not to. And that that makes sure that

1628
01:23:21,013 --> 01:23:23,452
Speaker 11: you can operate the dynamic positioning system because there's a

1629
01:23:23,452 --> 01:23:25,053
Speaker 11: lot of wall rigs around, not that one that blew

1630
01:23:25,173 --> 01:23:28,132
Speaker 11: up in the Golf Mexico that there was a dynamic

1631
01:23:28,173 --> 01:23:30,612
Speaker 11: positioning all rig so they had dynamic positioning on it

1632
01:23:30,692 --> 01:23:35,333
Speaker 11: to hold it in position. So dp's everywhere, But it's

1633
01:23:35,412 --> 01:23:38,132
Speaker 11: quite possible that the that was I think it's possibly

1634
01:23:38,173 --> 01:23:41,572
Speaker 11: the only Navy ship that had it. And it takes time.

1635
01:23:41,652 --> 01:23:44,612
Speaker 11: You can't just for them to be qualified to do DP.

1636
01:23:44,732 --> 01:23:46,133
Speaker 11: They would either have to get someone like me in

1637
01:23:46,213 --> 01:23:47,692
Speaker 11: there to teach them, or they would have to get

1638
01:23:47,772 --> 01:23:50,253
Speaker 11: the Navy guys on to comment into less they all

1639
01:23:50,293 --> 01:23:52,372
Speaker 11: in guess industry to to start learning how to do it,

1640
01:23:52,372 --> 01:23:54,892
Speaker 11: because you can't just you know, you can't just learn

1641
01:23:54,973 --> 01:23:55,692
Speaker 11: from from nothing.

1642
01:23:55,973 --> 01:23:58,732
Speaker 2: And James, you're saying that ultimately the buck stops with

1643
01:23:58,933 --> 01:24:03,933
Speaker 2: the commander to know that the crew is trained to

1644
01:24:04,053 --> 01:24:06,372
Speaker 2: do what they are actively doing.

1645
01:24:07,532 --> 01:24:11,492
Speaker 11: So and the and and also I mean I've always

1646
01:24:11,532 --> 01:24:13,852
Speaker 11: been a bit militant with with safety when that's one

1647
01:24:13,933 --> 01:24:19,013
Speaker 11: sort of life. And I was quite happy to leave

1648
01:24:19,013 --> 01:24:23,532
Speaker 11: the industry with my having having not not enough in

1649
01:24:23,572 --> 01:24:25,412
Speaker 11: front of a court and that sort of thing. But

1650
01:24:25,692 --> 01:24:28,692
Speaker 11: the the thing is, if you if you're not if

1651
01:24:28,692 --> 01:24:30,452
Speaker 11: you're not really to stick up for yourself, you shouldn't

1652
01:24:30,452 --> 01:24:32,213
Speaker 11: be captain. So like they give you people that can't

1653
01:24:32,253 --> 01:24:33,532
Speaker 11: do the job. If you know, if you haven't got

1654
01:24:33,572 --> 01:24:36,333
Speaker 11: the stones to turn around and say, look, it's not happening,

1655
01:24:37,093 --> 01:24:39,053
Speaker 11: then you shouldn't be in command. And finally, and this

1656
01:24:39,133 --> 01:24:41,452
Speaker 11: isn't nothing about women, and this is just the thing.

1657
01:24:41,612 --> 01:24:43,893
Speaker 11: You know, if you're not ready to walk, you're not

1658
01:24:43,973 --> 01:24:44,333
Speaker 11: cut for it.

1659
01:24:44,973 --> 01:24:48,053
Speaker 2: And finally, James, have you pictured what it would like

1660
01:24:48,213 --> 01:24:51,372
Speaker 2: to be the commander or a captain of a vessel

1661
01:24:51,933 --> 01:24:56,052
Speaker 2: that sunk, Well.

1662
01:24:55,933 --> 01:24:56,333
Speaker 8: You wouldn't.

1663
01:24:56,333 --> 01:24:57,412
Speaker 11: You wouldn't want to be that person.

1664
01:24:59,333 --> 01:25:01,892
Speaker 3: Very very well, said James. What else do you say.

1665
01:25:04,532 --> 01:25:06,732
Speaker 11: That they were sailing though the ship They were sailing

1666
01:25:08,093 --> 01:25:11,133
Speaker 11: like a So it's a DP two ship used for

1667
01:25:11,173 --> 01:25:14,892
Speaker 11: subse operations in the aguest innistry. It's a very very

1668
01:25:15,053 --> 01:25:21,173
Speaker 11: high spec, highly highly built ship that you've got to

1669
01:25:21,213 --> 01:25:22,732
Speaker 11: try really hard to sink one of those.

1670
01:25:22,973 --> 01:25:25,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, thank you so much, very insight.

1671
01:25:25,452 --> 01:25:26,732
Speaker 11: It's not like the old days.

1672
01:25:26,853 --> 01:25:29,172
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for insights. James really appreciate

1673
01:25:29,253 --> 01:25:30,772
Speaker 2: someone that actually knows what they're talking about.

1674
01:25:31,093 --> 01:25:34,532
Speaker 3: Matt and Taylor very interesting and great to get James

1675
01:25:34,612 --> 01:25:37,173
Speaker 3: back after the news. And thank you very much for

1676
01:25:37,213 --> 01:25:39,933
Speaker 3: all the phone calls and texts about the reporting to

1677
01:25:39,973 --> 01:25:44,532
Speaker 3: the sinking of the Manawanui. We have had thousands of them.

1678
01:25:45,133 --> 01:25:48,612
Speaker 2: But there'll be Yeah, Ryan will go into more detail

1679
01:25:48,772 --> 01:25:51,892
Speaker 2: after four o'clock. Absolutely, but let's change it up over

1680
01:25:51,933 --> 01:25:54,812
Speaker 2: the next forty minutes or so. We mentioned this after

1681
01:25:54,893 --> 01:25:56,492
Speaker 2: one o'clock. But we want to chat about it now.

1682
01:25:56,853 --> 01:25:59,933
Speaker 2: Minecraft it is a game with retro graphics and no

1683
01:26:00,093 --> 01:26:03,333
Speaker 2: way to effectively win, but it has become a multi

1684
01:26:03,532 --> 01:26:06,372
Speaker 2: billion dollar empire and now it's got its own movie

1685
01:26:06,412 --> 01:26:11,012
Speaker 2: starring Jack Black among other Hollywood A listers. Not doing

1686
01:26:11,293 --> 01:26:14,213
Speaker 2: so well in terms of what the critics think, but

1687
01:26:14,452 --> 01:26:18,932
Speaker 2: evidence is that it has been used as a way

1688
01:26:19,093 --> 01:26:23,453
Speaker 2: for children to upskill in many areas of development.

1689
01:26:23,572 --> 01:26:24,892
Speaker 3: So that's what we want to have a chat about.

1690
01:26:25,253 --> 01:26:27,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there has been some studies. There's a study

1691
01:26:27,213 --> 01:26:29,892
Speaker 2: of nearly two thousand children that found those who reported

1692
01:26:29,893 --> 01:26:32,612
Speaker 2: playing video games for three hours per day or more

1693
01:26:32,973 --> 01:26:37,372
Speaker 2: performed better on cognitive schools tests including involving impulse control

1694
01:26:37,452 --> 01:26:40,173
Speaker 2: and working memory compared to children who had never played

1695
01:26:40,253 --> 01:26:44,652
Speaker 2: video games. And Minecraft has pointed as one of the

1696
01:26:44,692 --> 01:26:47,452
Speaker 2: more healthy games. So have we got it wrong about

1697
01:26:47,732 --> 01:26:51,932
Speaker 2: video games? Because parents are expending a lot of energy

1698
01:26:52,013 --> 01:26:55,732
Speaker 2: kicking them their kids off video games, and look from

1699
01:26:55,812 --> 01:26:58,492
Speaker 2: personal experience, I feel like you can see worse behavior

1700
01:26:58,812 --> 01:27:01,572
Speaker 2: from kids after they've been playing video games for a while.

1701
01:27:01,812 --> 01:27:04,772
Speaker 2: But have we got it wrong video games not as

1702
01:27:04,933 --> 01:27:08,213
Speaker 2: bad as we think they are? Or is it just

1703
01:27:08,492 --> 01:27:12,812
Speaker 2: Minecraft that is an outlier because it's so creative and

1704
01:27:12,853 --> 01:27:16,452
Speaker 2: it's essentially the virtual version of Lego. So we want

1705
01:27:16,492 --> 01:27:18,173
Speaker 2: to hear from you Io te hundred and eighty ten

1706
01:27:18,333 --> 01:27:21,133
Speaker 2: eighty do you think video games are terrible for kids?

1707
01:27:21,853 --> 01:27:23,932
Speaker 2: Or eight hundred and eighty ten eighty do you think

1708
01:27:24,013 --> 01:27:27,852
Speaker 2: that Minecraft and some video games are actually a positive?

1709
01:27:27,893 --> 01:27:28,772
Speaker 2: We'd love to hear from.

1710
01:27:28,812 --> 01:27:32,053
Speaker 3: Yep, it is sixteen past three, bag very surely yere

1711
01:27:32,093 --> 01:27:36,892
Speaker 3: on News Talks 'db Hey, just a reminder, very exciting

1712
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Speaker 3: couple of things coming up very very soon. One is

1713
01:27:41,013 --> 01:27:43,692
Speaker 3: New Zealander of the Week that we do every Friday.

1714
01:27:45,013 --> 01:27:48,532
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1715
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Speaker 2: The panel is still deliberating on who will be the

1716
01:27:51,612 --> 01:27:54,532
Speaker 2: New Zealand of the week, so your suggestions are very welcome.

1717
01:27:54,612 --> 01:27:56,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got about fifteen minutes on that one, and

1718
01:27:56,973 --> 01:28:00,213
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1719
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01:28:17,293 --> 01:28:20,692
Speaker 3: entered that particular competition over the last week's stay by

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01:28:20,853 --> 01:28:23,652
Speaker 3: your phones, yea, hopefully you'll be getting a phone call

1726
01:28:23,692 --> 01:28:24,013
Speaker 3: from us.

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01:28:24,133 --> 01:28:26,053
Speaker 2: We are going to win the We're going to ring

1728
01:28:26,133 --> 01:28:26,492
Speaker 2: the winner.

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01:28:26,612 --> 01:28:26,812
Speaker 8: Yep.

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01:28:26,853 --> 01:28:28,812
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that is coming up very shortly. But in the

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01:28:28,853 --> 01:28:31,612
Speaker 3: meantime we are talking about Minecraft. It is arguably the

1732
01:28:31,652 --> 01:28:35,532
Speaker 3: world's biggest game, and on the back of the movie

1733
01:28:35,652 --> 01:28:38,093
Speaker 3: coming out in theaters, we've asked the question have we

1734
01:28:38,213 --> 01:28:40,492
Speaker 3: freaked out a bit when it comes to video games?

1735
01:28:40,732 --> 01:28:43,652
Speaker 3: Is there actually a lot of benefit for children playing

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01:28:43,652 --> 01:28:45,772
Speaker 3: the likes of Minecraft? O eight hundred and eighty ten

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01:28:45,812 --> 01:28:46,612
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to.

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01:28:46,612 --> 01:28:49,453
Speaker 2: Call Pete your thoughts on Minecraft.

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01:28:51,692 --> 01:28:55,293
Speaker 15: Yeah, be honest, I don't even know Minecraft does.

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01:28:55,412 --> 01:28:58,652
Speaker 8: But I just saw this video. It was about five

1741
01:28:58,772 --> 01:29:00,612
Speaker 8: years ago and I was.

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01:29:00,612 --> 01:29:03,732
Speaker 15: A Christmas video and it was like around Belgium and

1743
01:29:03,812 --> 01:29:10,013
Speaker 15: Holland and Grandad gives grandson because for Christmas. Merry Christmas, right,

1744
01:29:10,572 --> 01:29:14,333
Speaker 15: and a look of mine camps.

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01:29:15,532 --> 01:29:18,093
Speaker 3: All right, Okay, he's got one.

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01:29:20,293 --> 01:29:23,333
Speaker 15: Man breaks his old man to the other grandfather, he said,

1747
01:29:23,412 --> 01:29:25,293
Speaker 15: I said Minecraft, not mine camp.

1748
01:29:27,572 --> 01:29:28,732
Speaker 2: Granddad's got that one wrong.

1749
01:29:28,893 --> 01:29:33,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, this Texas says, Hey, guys, great show. Thank you.

1750
01:29:33,293 --> 01:29:35,812
Speaker 3: My son got a Nintendo Switch for his seventh birthday,

1751
01:29:36,013 --> 01:29:38,892
Speaker 3: and at the time Minecraft was huge among his friends.

1752
01:29:38,933 --> 01:29:41,572
Speaker 3: He quickly became obsessed and to this day he builds

1753
01:29:41,612 --> 01:29:44,972
Speaker 3: the most incredible worlds. Every time he shows me. I'm amazed,

1754
01:29:45,492 --> 01:29:48,572
Speaker 3: but I can't watch for long because the navigation gives

1755
01:29:48,612 --> 01:29:51,053
Speaker 3: me motion sickness. I don't mind him playing, since he's

1756
01:29:51,133 --> 01:29:54,453
Speaker 3: learning about different materials, and it actually seems quite educational.

1757
01:29:54,772 --> 01:29:54,972
Speaker 15: Yeah.

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01:29:55,053 --> 01:29:58,053
Speaker 2: I mean it's called a sandbox game Minecraft, and that

1759
01:29:58,372 --> 01:30:02,492
Speaker 2: it's a fully you know, you can do anything in it.

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01:30:02,652 --> 01:30:05,133
Speaker 2: You know, you're not on a linear path like some

1761
01:30:05,293 --> 01:30:10,093
Speaker 2: video games, and you're not. You know, you can go

1762
01:30:10,253 --> 01:30:11,972
Speaker 2: and build what you want and do what you want

1763
01:30:12,093 --> 01:30:14,213
Speaker 2: and play it like a sandbox. And that's why they

1764
01:30:14,293 --> 01:30:19,533
Speaker 2: called sandbox games, which are fantastic for kids' brains, are apparently.

1765
01:30:19,253 --> 01:30:21,973
Speaker 3: Just on the Minecraft versus other games. I mean, that

1766
01:30:22,293 --> 01:30:25,812
Speaker 3: Fortnite had quite a lot of criticism against it over

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01:30:25,853 --> 01:30:29,812
Speaker 3: the last few years, but I think Fortnite could be

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01:30:29,933 --> 01:30:33,013
Speaker 3: considered a lot different as and it can rack up

1769
01:30:33,133 --> 01:30:35,253
Speaker 3: young kids to get to a point where if you

1770
01:30:35,372 --> 01:30:37,572
Speaker 3: tell them to get off that game, they freak out,

1771
01:30:37,772 --> 01:30:40,013
Speaker 3: whereas Minecraft. I've never played it, of course I know

1772
01:30:40,093 --> 01:30:44,413
Speaker 3: about Minecraft, but it appears that it's not a situation

1773
01:30:44,612 --> 01:30:46,652
Speaker 3: of winning or being that rapped up that if you

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01:30:46,732 --> 01:30:48,293
Speaker 3: tell a child, hey, you can have another half an

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01:30:48,293 --> 01:30:51,133
Speaker 3: hour of Minecraft, it's not going to flip that switch.

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01:30:51,732 --> 01:30:54,893
Speaker 2: In my experience, kids sort of play Minecraft for a

1777
01:30:54,973 --> 01:30:57,293
Speaker 2: long period of time, kind of like they'd play with Lego,

1778
01:30:57,612 --> 01:30:59,492
Speaker 2: and then they kind of drift off it. But the

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01:30:59,812 --> 01:31:03,652
Speaker 2: Fortnite nature of the games, you start, you land on

1780
01:31:03,692 --> 01:31:06,293
Speaker 2: the island, you have a ticking clock, and then you

1781
01:31:06,372 --> 01:31:08,013
Speaker 2: have a result. At the end, you know where you

1782
01:31:08,133 --> 01:31:12,972
Speaker 2: can and from when you died, so it is more addictive.

1783
01:31:13,013 --> 01:31:14,772
Speaker 2: It moves around. But there is a creative part of

1784
01:31:15,013 --> 01:31:17,452
Speaker 2: Minecraft as well. You know you have to if you

1785
01:31:17,492 --> 01:31:19,772
Speaker 2: watch those kids playing Minecraft, how quickly they can build

1786
01:31:19,772 --> 01:31:22,492
Speaker 2: their thoughts in Minecraft, it is mind blowing. I might

1787
01:31:22,572 --> 01:31:24,692
Speaker 2: play quite a lot of Fortnight in my life, but

1788
01:31:24,933 --> 01:31:28,572
Speaker 2: now I'm so far behind kids that I basically never

1789
01:31:28,612 --> 01:31:31,133
Speaker 2: won anymore the talent level. Hey, guys, my friends and

1790
01:31:31,173 --> 01:31:33,692
Speaker 2: I play Minecraft. We're in our thirties and have at

1791
01:31:33,812 --> 01:31:36,452
Speaker 2: our own little village land disputes and vote on what

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01:31:36,572 --> 01:31:39,093
Speaker 2: we can build. It's a great fun and a good

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01:31:39,173 --> 01:31:43,972
Speaker 2: creative outlet. Cheers. That's the kidd thirties getting good results from.

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01:31:43,853 --> 01:31:46,092
Speaker 3: It, Claudia, how are you this afternoon?

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01:31:47,652 --> 01:31:47,852
Speaker 18: Good?

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01:31:47,933 --> 01:31:48,213
Speaker 16: Thank you?

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01:31:48,772 --> 01:31:50,892
Speaker 3: And what's your thoughts about children and video games?

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01:31:53,933 --> 01:31:56,852
Speaker 14: I think it can be a good thing, but too

1799
01:31:56,973 --> 01:31:58,852
Speaker 14: much of a good thing is going to be very

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01:31:58,893 --> 01:32:02,572
Speaker 14: bad for you, especially with so many video games having

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01:32:02,652 --> 01:32:08,213
Speaker 14: so much vivid colors, and also you know the age

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01:32:08,253 --> 01:32:09,412
Speaker 14: of creation as well.

1803
01:32:11,133 --> 01:32:13,013
Speaker 2: How long do you how much do you think is

1804
01:32:13,293 --> 01:32:17,013
Speaker 2: too much in terms of say hours a day, claudiaphorg.

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01:32:18,093 --> 01:32:21,093
Speaker 14: If they don't know when to get off it on

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01:32:21,213 --> 01:32:23,093
Speaker 14: their own, that is too much.

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01:32:23,692 --> 01:32:23,932
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:32:24,572 --> 01:32:26,652
Speaker 2: In the study we were talking about, they found that

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01:32:28,053 --> 01:32:31,053
Speaker 2: kids who played video games for three hours per day

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01:32:31,293 --> 01:32:34,772
Speaker 2: performed better on cognitive schools tests involving impulse and control

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01:32:34,893 --> 01:32:38,052
Speaker 2: and working memory compared to children who had never played

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01:32:38,173 --> 01:32:40,933
Speaker 2: video games. So three hours a day seems like a

1813
01:32:41,053 --> 01:32:44,492
Speaker 2: lot if you consider school and then you come home

1814
01:32:44,572 --> 01:32:46,572
Speaker 2: like with you an hour before school two hours afterwards.

1815
01:32:46,612 --> 01:32:49,053
Speaker 2: That seems like a big part of your life. But

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01:32:49,173 --> 01:32:51,652
Speaker 2: it does also seem to have had some at least

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01:32:51,692 --> 01:32:52,932
Speaker 2: some benefits with kids.

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01:32:54,893 --> 01:32:58,732
Speaker 14: I believe that too. I think some kids who actually

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01:32:59,013 --> 01:33:02,572
Speaker 14: have a bit of like a normal in a normal situation,

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01:33:02,692 --> 01:33:09,253
Speaker 14: and they have obstacles or learning difficulty that may really

1821
01:33:09,333 --> 01:33:12,532
Speaker 14: benefit them in a different setting. But I feel like

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01:33:13,253 --> 01:33:16,372
Speaker 14: I would be keen to get my daughter to try

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01:33:16,532 --> 01:33:21,412
Speaker 14: Minecraft one day. She's only sick. Yeah, and she sometimes

1824
01:33:21,492 --> 01:33:26,052
Speaker 14: plays on our switch game Mario cut is something that's

1825
01:33:26,572 --> 01:33:29,052
Speaker 14: very It's got a lot of noise and vivid colors

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01:33:29,812 --> 01:33:33,652
Speaker 14: that she you can see the difference with how she

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01:33:33,853 --> 01:33:37,213
Speaker 14: reacts when you tell her to get off that game.

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01:33:37,692 --> 01:33:40,732
Speaker 14: It's almost impossible. You almost have to say, hey, you know,

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01:33:40,973 --> 01:33:44,412
Speaker 14: like be really stern and yeah, get them to stop.

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01:33:44,652 --> 01:33:48,412
Speaker 14: But I feel like Minecraft is a really good game, yeah, yeah,

1831
01:33:48,492 --> 01:33:51,012
Speaker 14: to get into. And I only knew about it recently

1832
01:33:51,173 --> 01:33:54,253
Speaker 14: from the wool Worth you know, the QPI things, the

1833
01:33:54,372 --> 01:33:58,772
Speaker 14: the cowpboards. Yeah, I've only learned about that and things

1834
01:33:58,853 --> 01:34:00,372
Speaker 14: like there's a lot of learning involved.

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01:34:01,412 --> 01:34:03,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so much for it for your call

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01:34:03,853 --> 01:34:06,333
Speaker 2: a Texas is everyone thinks that gaming isolates kids and

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01:34:06,412 --> 01:34:09,812
Speaker 2: ruins social interactive skills. Eight year old son plays Minecraft

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01:34:09,853 --> 01:34:12,293
Speaker 2: while running a group messenger voice chat with three of

1839
01:34:12,333 --> 01:34:14,812
Speaker 2: his mates, chatting rubbish, but very engaged with each other.

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01:34:14,893 --> 01:34:19,893
Speaker 2: Kids have to be doing outdoor so kids don't have

1841
01:34:19,973 --> 01:34:23,293
Speaker 2: to be doing outdoor play team sports to Oh sorry,

1842
01:34:23,532 --> 01:34:27,012
Speaker 2: kids do have to be also doing outdoor and team

1843
01:34:27,053 --> 01:34:28,612
Speaker 2: sports and stuff as well, though, yeap.

1844
01:34:28,732 --> 01:34:32,093
Speaker 3: Keep those texts coming through, and also we're keen to

1845
01:34:32,213 --> 01:34:34,133
Speaker 3: chat with you on OH eight hundred and eighty ten

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01:34:34,213 --> 01:34:36,893
Speaker 3: eighty if you play Minecraft yourself or you play with

1847
01:34:36,973 --> 01:34:38,973
Speaker 3: your children, love to hear from you. Is there a

1848
01:34:39,053 --> 01:34:40,973
Speaker 3: lot of benefit two games like Minecraft?

1849
01:34:41,372 --> 01:34:42,892
Speaker 2: Or is it all just mine?

1850
01:34:43,013 --> 01:34:43,253
Speaker 9: Rot?

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01:34:43,532 --> 01:34:45,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's twenty five past three.

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01:34:49,812 --> 01:34:53,452
Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred eighty

1853
01:34:53,532 --> 01:34:55,413
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk SB.

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01:34:55,452 --> 01:34:58,772
Speaker 3: Good afternoon. We're talking about Minecraft and gaming in general,

1855
01:34:58,812 --> 01:35:00,293
Speaker 3: and some great texts coming through.

1856
01:35:02,173 --> 01:35:04,892
Speaker 2: Better for kids to play video games than watch YouTube.

1857
01:35:05,013 --> 01:35:08,612
Speaker 2: Can't stand my kids watching irritating American kids or hype up.

1858
01:35:09,013 --> 01:35:12,452
Speaker 2: See that's kind of what I believe because I used

1859
01:35:12,492 --> 01:35:15,812
Speaker 2: to come home from school just make about twenty five

1860
01:35:16,412 --> 01:35:20,772
Speaker 2: sandwiches out of white death bread and peanut butter, and

1861
01:35:21,213 --> 01:35:23,972
Speaker 2: get a tall glass of fenter and sit and watch TV.

1862
01:35:24,372 --> 01:35:27,133
Speaker 2: Exact a vegetative state for years and years and years

1863
01:35:27,412 --> 01:35:30,093
Speaker 2: at least with a game like Minecraft, you are having

1864
01:35:30,133 --> 01:35:32,333
Speaker 2: to be creative, You're having to do stuff. You're having

1865
01:35:32,372 --> 01:35:35,892
Speaker 2: to interact a lot of kids. As a previous caller said,

1866
01:35:36,253 --> 01:35:41,452
Speaker 2: talking to people their friends online. At the same time,

1867
01:35:41,692 --> 01:35:44,852
Speaker 2: it feels a lot more engaged than just sitting down

1868
01:35:45,772 --> 01:35:48,293
Speaker 2: having you know, they talk about lean forward or lean

1869
01:35:48,452 --> 01:35:51,293
Speaker 2: back entertainment, and Minecraft is lean forward. Is that you

1870
01:35:51,412 --> 01:35:54,253
Speaker 2: have to actually interact with the computer as opposed to

1871
01:35:54,372 --> 01:35:58,012
Speaker 2: just move h And it's got to be video games

1872
01:35:58,173 --> 01:36:01,372
Speaker 2: got to be better than doom scrolling TikTok oh exactly.

1873
01:36:01,492 --> 01:36:03,412
Speaker 3: And you mentioned three hours. When I was a kid,

1874
01:36:03,532 --> 01:36:05,972
Speaker 3: I was smashing way more than three hours of TV today.

1875
01:36:06,532 --> 01:36:09,253
Speaker 2: I've been a pilot for forty years and I'm mostly

1876
01:36:09,372 --> 01:36:13,012
Speaker 2: exactly the same. I've reached the top of my industry

1877
01:36:13,053 --> 01:36:15,412
Speaker 2: and I still play Minecraft every day.

1878
01:36:16,133 --> 01:36:20,532
Speaker 3: Nice, Yeah, I love that? Is it for leape if

1879
01:36:20,572 --> 01:36:20,933
Speaker 3: I said that?

1880
01:36:21,093 --> 01:36:21,213
Speaker 9: Right?

1881
01:36:21,293 --> 01:36:21,492
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1882
01:36:21,492 --> 01:36:21,612
Speaker 17: Bro?

1883
01:36:21,893 --> 01:36:25,093
Speaker 3: Yeah? Hey good yea, so.

1884
01:36:25,213 --> 01:36:30,532
Speaker 12: Yeah, thank you. I'm I'm a gamer and I've been

1885
01:36:30,572 --> 01:36:33,652
Speaker 12: a gamer my whole life, and my girls just starting

1886
01:36:33,812 --> 01:36:40,172
Speaker 12: getting into video games. She's got Minecraft on my wife's

1887
01:36:40,213 --> 01:36:44,093
Speaker 12: PC AND's been playing quite a bit lately. And I

1888
01:36:44,333 --> 01:36:46,372
Speaker 12: like how he teach us her how to build stuff

1889
01:36:46,452 --> 01:36:50,892
Speaker 12: and go around and explore, much better than just sitting

1890
01:36:50,933 --> 01:36:52,012
Speaker 12: around watching YouTube.

1891
01:36:54,253 --> 01:36:56,532
Speaker 2: Does no, you continue? Sorry?

1892
01:36:57,772 --> 01:37:00,892
Speaker 12: Okay, it can teach you well, you know, some different

1893
01:37:00,933 --> 01:37:03,532
Speaker 12: skills as well that you don't expect. For example, I

1894
01:37:03,772 --> 01:37:06,333
Speaker 12: was a kid growing up in Brazil. English was never

1895
01:37:06,452 --> 01:37:09,333
Speaker 12: my first language, and my early life in game, he

1896
01:37:09,412 --> 01:37:12,973
Speaker 12: taught me a little bit of English back then, and

1897
01:37:13,253 --> 01:37:15,213
Speaker 12: so yeah, the kids might get something out of it

1898
01:37:15,293 --> 01:37:16,692
Speaker 12: that you don't even expect, you know.

1899
01:37:16,772 --> 01:37:19,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. And I think parents just look at

1900
01:37:19,893 --> 01:37:22,732
Speaker 2: things like this that they don't necessarily know what's going on,

1901
01:37:22,933 --> 01:37:25,293
Speaker 2: and just assume it's bad because it's what's happening now

1902
01:37:25,333 --> 01:37:27,532
Speaker 2: and wasn't happening when they were kids. What's the mood

1903
01:37:27,572 --> 01:37:33,293
Speaker 2: of your daughter like when she's gets off the game, Philippe.

1904
01:37:34,293 --> 01:37:34,892
Speaker 26: It's all good.

1905
01:37:34,973 --> 01:37:39,052
Speaker 12: We usually let her play after her schoolwork and dinner,

1906
01:37:39,213 --> 01:37:41,253
Speaker 12: and then she plays for a bit before going to bed.

1907
01:37:42,412 --> 01:37:44,932
Speaker 12: We will let her play for three hours straight. It's

1908
01:37:44,973 --> 01:37:46,892
Speaker 12: usually an hour an hour and a half.

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01:37:47,213 --> 01:37:50,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, and do you play with Felipe? Sorry to jump

1910
01:37:50,133 --> 01:37:51,732
Speaker 3: in the do you play with her? You played against?

1911
01:37:53,333 --> 01:37:56,572
Speaker 12: We play Mario Kart and some other Nintendo games. I

1912
01:37:56,692 --> 01:37:58,932
Speaker 12: just don't get the mine crafting. Sorry, I just don't

1913
01:37:59,013 --> 01:37:59,612
Speaker 12: think it at.

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01:37:59,532 --> 01:38:00,532
Speaker 3: All fair enough?

1915
01:38:00,893 --> 01:38:01,732
Speaker 8: Yeah, a lot.

1916
01:38:01,893 --> 01:38:04,213
Speaker 3: I'm a game of myself in Lipe, not a massive gamer,

1917
01:38:04,253 --> 01:38:06,372
Speaker 3: but I certainly love playing games. But it's just one

1918
01:38:06,412 --> 01:38:08,412
Speaker 3: of the games I haven't given a go because I

1919
01:38:08,452 --> 01:38:11,293
Speaker 3: can't see the appeal a bit. Clearly, there is a

1920
01:38:11,372 --> 01:38:12,852
Speaker 3: lot of people who disagree with me on that.

1921
01:38:14,253 --> 01:38:16,053
Speaker 12: I agree, Bro, I don't know if you knows the game,

1922
01:38:16,133 --> 01:38:20,053
Speaker 12: elden Ring, that's the one I'm and my daughter just

1923
01:38:20,333 --> 01:38:23,813
Speaker 12: loves watching me play that. She keeps saying, Daddy.

1924
01:38:23,572 --> 01:38:24,133
Speaker 17: Don't go there.

1925
01:38:24,173 --> 01:38:26,532
Speaker 12: You know the dragons there, You're always getting killed? Why

1926
01:38:26,652 --> 01:38:27,652
Speaker 12: you keep getting back?

1927
01:38:27,893 --> 01:38:28,093
Speaker 17: Yeah?

1928
01:38:28,492 --> 01:38:28,852
Speaker 8: Love that.

1929
01:38:29,053 --> 01:38:33,012
Speaker 3: I mean that is a huge game our elder Ring. Absolutely, Felipe,

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01:38:33,133 --> 01:38:34,532
Speaker 3: thanks very much for giving us a buzz.

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01:38:35,213 --> 01:38:37,372
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm just to question before you go, Philip, people,

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01:38:37,692 --> 01:38:39,652
Speaker 2: how would you feel about your daughter playing a game

1933
01:38:40,133 --> 01:38:44,253
Speaker 2: like Fortnite, which is basically, you know, parachuting into an

1934
01:38:44,293 --> 01:38:49,173
Speaker 2: island and then mass murdering strangers while you run around

1935
01:38:49,253 --> 01:38:52,293
Speaker 2: and trying to escape from a circle that's coming towards

1936
01:38:52,333 --> 01:38:55,532
Speaker 2: you of toxic gas. You know, is that would you

1937
01:38:55,692 --> 01:38:57,333
Speaker 2: be as happy for her to play that game?

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01:38:58,853 --> 01:39:01,293
Speaker 12: Well, I don't see much of a trouble with a

1939
01:39:01,372 --> 01:39:04,173
Speaker 12: shooger like Fortnite because it's all animated. It's a different risks.

1940
01:39:04,253 --> 01:39:06,812
Speaker 12: She was playing Call of Duty. When I was growing up,

1941
01:39:06,812 --> 01:39:09,293
Speaker 12: we had Mortal Kombat, you know, in the early nineties,

1942
01:39:10,572 --> 01:39:13,093
Speaker 12: and that was massive when he came out, you know,

1943
01:39:13,333 --> 01:39:15,612
Speaker 12: So yeah, I won't have much of trouble with that,

1944
01:39:15,893 --> 01:39:16,093
Speaker 12: you go.

1945
01:39:16,213 --> 01:39:18,412
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your call. Hey guys, Ever, gaming

1946
01:39:18,452 --> 01:39:20,452
Speaker 2: here games are just like any other media. There are

1947
01:39:20,532 --> 01:39:23,772
Speaker 2: plenty of games appropriate for children and just as many

1948
01:39:23,812 --> 01:39:27,372
Speaker 2: that aren't. It's up to the parents to be proactive

1949
01:39:27,492 --> 01:39:30,092
Speaker 2: and do some research on what the kids are playing.

1950
01:39:30,692 --> 01:39:34,812
Speaker 2: This textas says, gets you, Minecraft gets you dexterity focused,

1951
01:39:34,853 --> 01:39:38,093
Speaker 2: critical thinking, and assertiveness. Yeah, I'd say I would say

1952
01:39:38,093 --> 01:39:39,772
Speaker 2: that would be true of Fortnite as well.

1953
01:39:39,893 --> 01:39:42,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. Oh eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is

1954
01:39:42,213 --> 01:39:43,812
Speaker 3: the number to call. Love your thoughts on this one.

1955
01:39:44,013 --> 01:39:45,532
Speaker 3: It is twenty eight to four.

1956
01:39:48,133 --> 01:39:51,772
Speaker 17: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1957
01:39:51,853 --> 01:39:55,173
Speaker 17: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Navy says it's

1958
01:39:55,213 --> 01:39:59,653
Speaker 17: already making progress on recommendations. Following the sinking of the Manawanui,

1959
01:40:00,093 --> 01:40:02,772
Speaker 17: the Court of Inquiry concludes the direct cause of the

1960
01:40:02,853 --> 01:40:05,772
Speaker 17: ship running aground off the coast of Samoa was a

1961
01:40:05,893 --> 01:40:09,812
Speaker 17: series of human errors by two people. Train services on

1962
01:40:09,853 --> 01:40:14,852
Speaker 17: Auckland's Ornihunger Line remained suspended after a person died following

1963
01:40:14,893 --> 01:40:18,532
Speaker 17: a collision between a train and vehicle. Auckland Transport says

1964
01:40:18,572 --> 01:40:20,572
Speaker 17: the barriers were down at the time it appeared to

1965
01:40:20,612 --> 01:40:24,692
Speaker 17: be functioning properly. Police now believe a man found dead

1966
01:40:24,732 --> 01:40:28,892
Speaker 17: in Wellington's Northland was killed, but won't say how or when.

1967
01:40:29,452 --> 01:40:31,933
Speaker 17: Sixty five year old Simon Byrd was found dead on

1968
01:40:32,053 --> 01:40:35,093
Speaker 17: his property on Tuesday, but hadn't been seen alive since

1969
01:40:35,173 --> 01:40:41,093
Speaker 17: March twenty seven. South Korea's constitutional courts unanimously voted to

1970
01:40:41,213 --> 01:40:45,612
Speaker 17: uphold President Yun Sakiold's impeachment and remove him from the

1971
01:40:45,732 --> 01:40:49,452
Speaker 17: role immediately. His short lived declaration of martial law last

1972
01:40:49,532 --> 01:40:54,972
Speaker 17: December plunged the country into political turmoil. Met the hangover

1973
01:40:55,093 --> 01:40:59,213
Speaker 17: resistant researchers studying the twenty five percent of drinkers who

1974
01:40:59,293 --> 01:41:02,612
Speaker 17: feel fine after a big night out. Find out more

1975
01:41:02,692 --> 01:41:05,892
Speaker 17: at enzid Herald Premium. Now back to Matteathan Tyler Adams.

1976
01:41:06,253 --> 01:41:09,173
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Railena. Matt, I'm trying to turn

1977
01:41:09,213 --> 01:41:11,012
Speaker 3: off the F one. I know you're watching the practice

1978
01:41:11,093 --> 01:41:14,132
Speaker 3: round of the Japanese Formula one. We're not very excited

1979
01:41:14,173 --> 01:41:16,372
Speaker 3: about how Liam's gonna do. But how was he doing?

1980
01:41:16,412 --> 01:41:18,532
Speaker 3: By the way, do we know this is.

1981
01:41:18,532 --> 01:41:20,532
Speaker 2: Just the practice round? Okay, right, we don't have any

1982
01:41:20,612 --> 01:41:22,492
Speaker 2: limb anyway. Yeah, there wasn't.

1983
01:41:22,612 --> 01:41:24,293
Speaker 3: I wasn't professionals here.

1984
01:41:25,293 --> 01:41:26,852
Speaker 2: I wasn't anyway. What's up? What do we doing?

1985
01:41:26,933 --> 01:41:30,133
Speaker 3: We're chatting about Minecraft and there's some great chats coming

1986
01:41:30,173 --> 01:41:32,892
Speaker 3: through a couple of people having to go at gamers. Guys,

1987
01:41:33,013 --> 01:41:35,372
Speaker 3: gamers are lame. Try and get one outside to swing

1988
01:41:35,452 --> 01:41:39,053
Speaker 3: a hammer and build something or skin possum. They are

1989
01:41:39,133 --> 01:41:42,173
Speaker 3: you less on the building site. I've seen them, would

1990
01:41:42,213 --> 01:41:42,852
Speaker 3: never employ them.

1991
01:41:43,333 --> 01:41:48,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you are learning creative skills and that you

1992
01:41:48,173 --> 01:41:52,213
Speaker 2: are swing swinging a hammer. Yeah inside Minecraft. But yeah

1993
01:41:52,213 --> 01:41:54,612
Speaker 2: that's you know, as someone says, you get fat, fat

1994
01:41:54,692 --> 01:41:58,093
Speaker 2: legs and strong thumbs. But yeah, it would be true

1995
01:41:58,133 --> 01:41:59,893
Speaker 2: to say that maybe your brain power has increased, but

1996
01:42:00,173 --> 01:42:03,253
Speaker 2: maybe not your practical, practical handyman skills and are not

1997
01:42:03,772 --> 01:42:07,093
Speaker 2: not being increased by playing Minecraft. Martin, I wanted to

1998
01:42:07,093 --> 01:42:08,172
Speaker 2: show your thoughts on Minecraft.

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01:42:10,133 --> 01:42:10,932
Speaker 8: Bye good agents.

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01:42:11,293 --> 01:42:11,492
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2001
01:42:11,532 --> 01:42:14,932
Speaker 8: I'm a single dad of about thirty six or thirty seven,

2002
01:42:15,013 --> 01:42:17,692
Speaker 8: and I've got two daughters. One is five years old,

2003
01:42:17,772 --> 01:42:20,333
Speaker 8: one is ten years old. And what we do typically

2004
01:42:20,412 --> 01:42:23,812
Speaker 8: when we when they with me on weekends, we've got

2005
01:42:23,853 --> 01:42:26,692
Speaker 8: what we call game night. And typically what that means

2006
01:42:26,812 --> 01:42:30,372
Speaker 8: is after dinner, around six seven, we'll all get in

2007
01:42:30,412 --> 01:42:32,372
Speaker 8: front of the TV. We've got two TVs set up

2008
01:42:32,412 --> 01:42:35,253
Speaker 8: and two xboxes connected, and then all three of us

2009
01:42:35,333 --> 01:42:38,452
Speaker 8: will start playing Minecraft. And this can easily go into

2010
01:42:38,492 --> 01:42:40,933
Speaker 8: the midnight hours if we really get stuck, you know,

2011
01:42:41,093 --> 01:42:44,732
Speaker 8: on a mission or holding castles and stuff like that. Yeah,

2012
01:42:44,853 --> 01:42:47,013
Speaker 8: and I think my little five year old since she

2013
01:42:47,133 --> 01:42:50,892
Speaker 8: started playing with us, you know, not that she started

2014
01:42:50,973 --> 01:42:53,333
Speaker 8: learning it just yet when she started playing, you know,

2015
01:42:53,492 --> 01:42:55,932
Speaker 8: reading at school, but she can already start making out

2016
01:42:56,053 --> 01:42:59,372
Speaker 8: words and understanding you know, if she sees something because

2017
01:42:59,412 --> 01:43:01,293
Speaker 8: she sees it in the game all the time, that

2018
01:43:01,412 --> 01:43:04,053
Speaker 8: she's now connected, you know what a word means and

2019
01:43:04,173 --> 01:43:05,612
Speaker 8: what it is to be able to read it.

2020
01:43:06,173 --> 01:43:08,972
Speaker 2: Well, that's great because that's quality time with your kids,

2021
01:43:09,013 --> 01:43:11,173
Speaker 2: isn't it. That's not just them sitting on in a

2022
01:43:11,253 --> 01:43:14,293
Speaker 2: corner and you off doing something else. You're very engaged,

2023
01:43:15,452 --> 01:43:15,892
Speaker 2: that's right.

2024
01:43:15,973 --> 01:43:17,893
Speaker 8: Yeah, and it's you know, it said night hours. What

2025
01:43:18,053 --> 01:43:20,333
Speaker 8: else better we got to do? We is enjoyed some

2026
01:43:20,452 --> 01:43:21,053
Speaker 8: family time.

2027
01:43:21,293 --> 01:43:21,452
Speaker 21: Yeah.

2028
01:43:21,572 --> 01:43:23,732
Speaker 8: The other game we played together is I don't know

2029
01:43:23,772 --> 01:43:23,973
Speaker 8: if you.

2030
01:43:23,973 --> 01:43:27,372
Speaker 3: Guys know ARC or Rings a Bell. Tell me about ARC.

2031
01:43:27,452 --> 01:43:30,932
Speaker 3: I have seen it advertised, But what's the essentially.

2032
01:43:31,093 --> 01:43:34,492
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're a survivor and you build bases and hunt

2033
01:43:34,652 --> 01:43:35,853
Speaker 8: and team dinosaurs.

2034
01:43:36,013 --> 01:43:40,293
Speaker 2: Okay, and then and your team and yeah yeah, yeah,

2035
01:43:40,893 --> 01:43:42,812
Speaker 2: we all enjoyed that one as well. Yeah. So I

2036
01:43:42,893 --> 01:43:45,333
Speaker 2: mean there's no difference then at all between the very

2037
01:43:45,412 --> 01:43:48,213
Speaker 2: wholesome thing of a family sitting around and playing a

2038
01:43:48,253 --> 01:43:53,052
Speaker 2: board game together. Yeah, then then a family playing Minecraft together.

2039
01:43:53,253 --> 01:43:55,093
Speaker 2: Sound like great, Dad Martin, thanks for your call.

2040
01:43:56,133 --> 01:43:59,013
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Takes tier, guys, I have a

2041
01:43:59,173 --> 01:44:03,052
Speaker 3: nice Oh sorry. Also, Minecraft teaches you some great general knowledge.

2042
01:44:03,053 --> 01:44:05,893
Speaker 3: For example, heating sand in a furnace makes glass, or

2043
01:44:05,973 --> 01:44:08,892
Speaker 3: when laugh and makes contact with water creates rock.

2044
01:44:08,973 --> 01:44:09,133
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2045
01:44:09,213 --> 01:44:11,293
Speaker 2: See that's great. So when the apocalypse comes, you'll be

2046
01:44:11,333 --> 01:44:14,532
Speaker 2: able to use that to make glass and you'll be

2047
01:44:14,572 --> 01:44:16,213
Speaker 2: able to survive exactly.

2048
01:44:17,093 --> 01:44:18,572
Speaker 3: Liam, how are you this afternoon?

2049
01:44:19,732 --> 01:44:20,412
Speaker 16: I'm good mate.

2050
01:44:20,973 --> 01:44:23,293
Speaker 3: And Minecraft? Do you play it yourself? You got kids

2051
01:44:23,372 --> 01:44:23,852
Speaker 3: that play.

2052
01:44:25,253 --> 01:44:26,492
Speaker 15: I just play it myself.

2053
01:44:26,652 --> 01:44:30,172
Speaker 16: I've been playing it since I was about fifteen sixteen

2054
01:44:30,253 --> 01:44:37,372
Speaker 16: years old. I'm currently twenty three's overall, I've had quite

2055
01:44:37,412 --> 01:44:39,932
Speaker 16: a lot of fun with Minecraft, made a lot of memories,

2056
01:44:40,053 --> 01:44:41,893
Speaker 16: and I've played a lot of hours of it.

2057
01:44:44,412 --> 01:44:47,213
Speaker 19: When your mind's pretty open and you're a brief thinker,

2058
01:44:47,412 --> 01:44:49,652
Speaker 19: you can think of all sorts of different things you

2059
01:44:49,692 --> 01:44:53,013
Speaker 19: could build and then like built.

2060
01:44:52,853 --> 01:44:53,692
Speaker 8: Up on top of that.

2061
01:44:55,492 --> 01:44:56,852
Speaker 2: How old are you now? Liam? Did you say?

2062
01:44:57,812 --> 01:44:58,772
Speaker 19: I'm twenty three?

2063
01:44:58,973 --> 01:45:03,133
Speaker 2: Twenty three? And do you think playing Minecraft was good

2064
01:45:03,173 --> 01:45:06,213
Speaker 2: for your brain? Good for your your your mind, good

2065
01:45:06,293 --> 01:45:08,133
Speaker 2: for your socialization, good for your mood.

2066
01:45:09,173 --> 01:45:11,173
Speaker 19: I think it was good for my brain because it

2067
01:45:11,253 --> 01:45:14,732
Speaker 19: also taught me how to be more organized with certain things.

2068
01:45:14,853 --> 01:45:18,333
Speaker 19: So like with chests in the game, a lot of

2069
01:45:18,492 --> 01:45:21,133
Speaker 19: time that was just that you throw all your stuff

2070
01:45:21,372 --> 01:45:24,293
Speaker 19: from your inventory into a chest and it's all nextinction

2071
01:45:25,093 --> 01:45:28,093
Speaker 19: that you can't really find anything you're looking for. Yeah,

2072
01:45:28,692 --> 01:45:31,973
Speaker 19: so we'd personally go through and thought like all the

2073
01:45:32,133 --> 01:45:36,493
Speaker 19: stone out, sort out all the tools, all the materials

2074
01:45:36,572 --> 01:45:38,973
Speaker 19: and stuff. I'd useful building and have it all on

2075
01:45:39,133 --> 01:45:41,213
Speaker 19: its own individual double chest.

2076
01:45:41,612 --> 01:45:43,492
Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you so much for your call, Liam.

2077
01:45:43,612 --> 01:45:45,412
Speaker 2: It sounds like it's worked out for you. Gaming here

2078
01:45:45,492 --> 01:45:48,092
Speaker 2: also project manager for a passive fire company.

2079
01:45:48,333 --> 01:45:51,452
Speaker 3: Oh there we go, this one, says, guys, who has

2080
01:45:51,532 --> 01:45:55,492
Speaker 3: time for this mindless craft. Back in the eighties, it

2081
01:45:55,612 --> 01:45:59,452
Speaker 3: was hard Graft searching barefoot through bottle banks for refundable

2082
01:45:59,492 --> 01:46:03,692
Speaker 3: bottles rather equally questionable enterprises to get twenty cent coins

2083
01:46:03,732 --> 01:46:07,452
Speaker 3: for the spacey space these machines at Ari's Greek takeaway

2084
01:46:07,452 --> 01:46:10,972
Speaker 3: shopping you Land or zippityz Apps in Great North Road,

2085
01:46:11,173 --> 01:46:13,093
Speaker 3: or at space World on Queen Street when it had

2086
01:46:13,093 --> 01:46:14,212
Speaker 3: to soul good times.

2087
01:46:15,013 --> 01:46:17,932
Speaker 2: I'm a gamer and I own two businesses with thirteen staff.

2088
01:46:18,213 --> 01:46:20,972
Speaker 2: We are not all useless losers, says this texter. Yeah,

2089
01:46:21,133 --> 01:46:24,452
Speaker 2: very good, Hi, guys. Games like Micraft Minecraft can also

2090
01:46:24,532 --> 01:46:28,173
Speaker 2: be great avenue into coding. They're able to be modern

2091
01:46:28,333 --> 01:46:31,492
Speaker 2: and give you lots of real life experience in coding.

2092
01:46:31,692 --> 01:46:35,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, great discussion, Thank you very much. And judging by

2093
01:46:35,692 --> 01:46:38,892
Speaker 3: the text and the phone calls coming through, people love

2094
01:46:39,053 --> 01:46:41,892
Speaker 3: Minecraft and clearly, there's no doubt about it. The research,

2095
01:46:41,973 --> 01:46:44,412
Speaker 3: thees it is it can be very good for child's

2096
01:46:44,452 --> 01:46:46,492
Speaker 3: development on a raft of different things when it comes

2097
01:46:46,532 --> 01:46:47,093
Speaker 3: to the brain, but.

2098
01:46:47,253 --> 01:46:50,213
Speaker 2: Everything in moderation. Tyler and I would say it's got

2099
01:46:50,333 --> 01:46:53,293
Speaker 2: to be better minecraft, a creative sandbox game, like that's

2100
01:46:53,333 --> 01:46:55,772
Speaker 2: got to be better than what I did. As I said,

2101
01:46:55,893 --> 01:46:59,092
Speaker 2: just sitting on the couch in a vegetive state, generally

2102
01:46:59,173 --> 01:47:01,812
Speaker 2: just watching Top Secret starring Val Kilma over and over

2103
01:47:01,893 --> 01:47:03,772
Speaker 2: and over and over and over and again, utill I

2104
01:47:03,772 --> 01:47:05,253
Speaker 2: could quote every word.

2105
01:47:05,412 --> 01:47:08,532
Speaker 3: Yeah it is a good movie though, Yeah, right is

2106
01:47:09,333 --> 01:47:10,293
Speaker 3: eighteen to four.

2107
01:47:11,772 --> 01:47:14,933
Speaker 1: We're an authentic Pacific getaway like no other thanks to

2108
01:47:15,093 --> 01:47:18,493
Speaker 1: New Ireland and Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

2109
01:47:19,652 --> 01:47:24,092
Speaker 3: Wow, here we go. So the winner of the grand

2110
01:47:24,333 --> 01:47:27,812
Speaker 3: prize return flights for four to New Way, seven nights

2111
01:47:27,853 --> 01:47:31,452
Speaker 3: for four, including daily breakfast, choice of either a one

2112
01:47:31,532 --> 01:47:34,972
Speaker 3: day fishing charter for four or a day's dive snorkeling charter,

2113
01:47:35,093 --> 01:47:39,293
Speaker 3: seven day vehicle rental and an Ireland tour. What an

2114
01:47:39,492 --> 01:47:43,812
Speaker 3: absolute great giveaway. So let's dial a number. Stand by

2115
01:47:43,893 --> 01:47:45,973
Speaker 3: your phones if you've entered that competition.

2116
01:47:48,853 --> 01:47:50,772
Speaker 2: And we're ringing.

2117
01:47:51,093 --> 01:47:57,772
Speaker 3: We're ringing, all right, hopefully we're going to have an

2118
01:47:57,772 --> 01:47:58,452
Speaker 3: answer here.

2119
01:48:00,973 --> 01:48:05,652
Speaker 2: Hello, that's not even ringing? What is even going on here? Hello?

2120
01:48:06,253 --> 01:48:10,053
Speaker 3: Oh no, right, going to have here we go.

2121
01:48:12,853 --> 01:48:13,572
Speaker 2: Finally ringing.

2122
01:48:15,893 --> 01:48:17,692
Speaker 26: I'm speaking Mark.

2123
01:48:17,893 --> 01:48:20,612
Speaker 2: How are you? Did you recently enter any kind of

2124
01:48:20,732 --> 01:48:25,772
Speaker 2: competition at Newstalk? Sure you did you?

2125
01:48:26,093 --> 01:48:26,572
Speaker 15: Oh? Yeah?

2126
01:48:26,812 --> 01:48:27,132
Speaker 2: Okay?

2127
01:48:27,452 --> 01:48:29,532
Speaker 3: And what was the competition for again?

2128
01:48:29,572 --> 01:48:29,772
Speaker 9: Mark?

2129
01:48:32,532 --> 01:48:33,932
Speaker 26: Before the seven nights?

2130
01:48:34,532 --> 01:48:34,772
Speaker 12: Wow?

2131
01:48:35,013 --> 01:48:35,372
Speaker 3: Guess what?

2132
01:48:35,612 --> 01:48:35,852
Speaker 13: Mark?

2133
01:48:35,973 --> 01:48:38,173
Speaker 2: You have won? Return flights for four to new A

2134
01:48:38,333 --> 01:48:42,173
Speaker 2: seven nights for four at the Scenic Matterfi Resort, choice

2135
01:48:42,213 --> 01:48:45,133
Speaker 2: of either one day fishing charter or snorkeling, a seven

2136
01:48:45,213 --> 01:48:52,213
Speaker 2: day vehicle rental and an island talk. Congratulations so so much.

2137
01:48:52,532 --> 01:48:55,253
Speaker 26: I can't honestly can't believe it. Into these things. You

2138
01:48:55,452 --> 01:48:58,213
Speaker 26: never expect one, especially when I know the audience and

2139
01:48:58,253 --> 01:48:59,213
Speaker 26: Newful has.

2140
01:49:00,013 --> 01:49:01,973
Speaker 3: Oh mate, enjoy it. You're gonna have a ball of

2141
01:49:02,133 --> 01:49:03,692
Speaker 3: a time and you're going to go diving.

2142
01:49:04,973 --> 01:49:06,132
Speaker 26: No, no, definitely fishing.

2143
01:49:07,133 --> 01:49:09,612
Speaker 2: What what what question did you answer and get right? Mark?

2144
01:49:11,053 --> 01:49:11,972
Speaker 26: The answer is new Way.

2145
01:49:12,173 --> 01:49:17,772
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was an easy one. Well, you've definitely

2146
01:49:17,853 --> 01:49:21,333
Speaker 2: done the hard yards to win this fantastic price. Yeah,

2147
01:49:21,612 --> 01:49:24,452
Speaker 2: you got any idea? Who the other three people you're

2148
01:49:24,492 --> 01:49:24,732
Speaker 2: going to.

2149
01:49:24,732 --> 01:49:27,333
Speaker 26: Take Mark, I think I'll take the wife and the

2150
01:49:27,692 --> 01:49:29,692
Speaker 26: sun and probably my best mate.

2151
01:49:30,492 --> 01:49:32,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're going to have a ball of a time,

2152
01:49:32,732 --> 01:49:35,173
Speaker 3: so go well, yeah, what a great winner.

2153
01:49:35,412 --> 01:49:35,612
Speaker 17: Mark.

2154
01:49:35,652 --> 01:49:40,372
Speaker 3: Congratulations again and enjoy that fishing and thanks again to

2155
01:49:40,572 --> 01:49:43,253
Speaker 3: the team and beautiful New Way. A New A New

2156
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Speaker 3: Way is the perfect destination for the active relax. It's safe,

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Speaker 2: Mark you lucky bug.

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Speaker 3: Oh mate, he's going to love that fantastic stuff. It

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Speaker 3: is a quarter to fall back very shortly with New

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Speaker 3: Zealander of the.

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Speaker 1: Week Mattiath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty Matt and Tyler Afternoons News Talk ZMB.

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Speaker 2: Every Friday on Matt and Tyler Afternoons on z B.

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Speaker 2: We name the New Zealander of the Week in honor

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Speaker 2: that we bestow on your behalf to a newsmaker who

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Speaker 2: has had an outsized effect on our great and beautiful

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Speaker 2: nation over the previous week. As always, there will be

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Speaker 2: three nominees but only one winner. And remember, like the

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Speaker 2: Time magazine Person of the Year, the New Zealand of

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Speaker 2: the Week isn't always an agent of goods. Sometimes they

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Speaker 2: are nominated because they are dicks, sometimes because they're heroes.

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Speaker 2: You can make up your mind why they're there. So,

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Speaker 2: without further ado, the nominees for Matt and Tyler Afternoons

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Speaker 2: New Zealand of the Week. AH number one also gets

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Speaker 2: the bit Part Superstar Award. She was in a few

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Speaker 2: episodes of the show early on, so as White Loatus

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Speaker 2: three comes from an exciting climax at four pm our

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Speaker 2: time Monday, she deserves a mention. She might even get

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Speaker 2: an on screen death scene. Who knows, for having a

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Speaker 2: role in the most tense show on TV at the moment,

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Speaker 2: can we Actress MORGANA O'Reilly, you have been nominated for

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Speaker 2: New Zealander of the Week.

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Speaker 3: Whoo that's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Nominee two also gets the David Copperfield magician like attempt

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Speaker 2: to make something massive disappear Award. When faced with mild

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Speaker 2: media questioning about their MPs challenging social media activity, some

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Speaker 2: political leaders might have answered the questions or maybe force

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Speaker 2: the paid MP in question to front up. Instead, they

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Speaker 2: threw a word salad smoke bomb in our faces. Mix

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Speaker 2: that with a shut up because some people are being

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Speaker 2: mean followed by a shut up. None of you are

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Speaker 2: even qualified to have an opinion on this. The Green

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Speaker 2: Party half leaders for your masterclass in magical thinking political diversion.

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Speaker 2: You are nominated for New Zealanders of the Week. Unfortunately

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Speaker 2: for them, We're starting to get wise to such trickery.

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Speaker 2: But there can be only one alright, Whoo, whatever has happened,

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Speaker 2: you still have a crapload of talent and one of

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Speaker 2: the twenty seats that are available. Do we dare to

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Speaker 2: dream you beat Sonoda ideally keeping Red Bull out of

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Speaker 2: the points. Maybe give him the bird as you pass

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Speaker 2: them on the home stretch. Liam Lawson, we still love you.

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Speaker 2: Will be watching practice, qualifying and the race and you

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Speaker 2: are the Matt and Tyler afternoons New Zealander of the week.

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Speaker 2: Get them a taste of KeyWe come on, Liam, get

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Speaker 2: him Liam guy gets fired, gets us on all the week.

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Speaker 2: That's the way it works.

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Speaker 3: And Tyler Adams, well fair to say, are worthy? When

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Speaker 3: I met you? Back on you back on the practice rounds.

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Speaker 2: I'm just watching the practice rounds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

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Speaker 2: Couple shots of Liam. Never the radio shows getting in

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Speaker 2: the way of my enjoyment of this anyway.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but anyway, A worthy winner, a worthy winner, and

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Speaker 3: that is going to be an exciting weekend watching the

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Speaker 3: Grand Prix in Japan. Right coming up, very shortly, we

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Speaker 3: are going to ramp up the week. It is nine

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Speaker 3: minutes to fall back. Very shortly. You're listening to Matt

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Speaker 3: and Tyler, the big.

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Speaker 1: Stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor Afternoons, used Talk ZEDB News Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. It is six to four. That is almost

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Speaker 3: us for the week.

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Speaker 2: What are you excited about happening over the weekend there, Tyler?

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Speaker 3: Oh, Formula one, without a doubt. I am super excited.

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Speaker 3: And I say that as someone who hasn't traditionally been

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Speaker 3: a massive fan of Formula one. But I am all in.

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Speaker 3: I am all in.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with jumping on the bandwagon, Tyler, nothing

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Speaker 2: at all.

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Speaker 3: That is what I do. I love jumping on a

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Speaker 3: good bandwagon.

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Speaker 2: So there's a whole weekend of it. You know that

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Speaker 2: practice is happening right now out of Japan if you

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Speaker 2: want to jump on and watch that right now.

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Speaker 3: And then we've got the qualifying tomorrow at six pm

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Speaker 3: New Zealand time, and then on Sunday the big race

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Speaker 3: at four fifty five pm is when it all kicks off.

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Speaker 3: So it's hugely exciting.

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Speaker 2: Super rugby also exciting this weekend the Chiefs versus Reds

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Speaker 2: that's seven o'clock, the top of the table clash and

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Speaker 2: one in pacifica going so well. Warriors two an afternoon

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Speaker 2: game two five tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Something to do and Fiji and Drewer playing the Crusaders.

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Speaker 2: All the Crusaders finally Beatji Fiji and Drewer in Fiji,

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Speaker 2: and I'll be along in Eden Parks the Blues, Hurricanes

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Speaker 2: and my beloved Highlanders are playing the Force at nine

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Speaker 2: point thirty pm.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, huge week in love. I love the day rugby though,

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Speaker 3: that is fantastic. Two pm. Is that not the perfect time?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? Hey, yesterday I ran into a fine group of

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Speaker 2: gentlemen at OGB in christ Church having a beer and

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Speaker 2: they said to me something I didn't expect anyone to

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Speaker 2: say to me. In the year twenty twenty five. We're

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Speaker 2: going along to see the sex Pistols tonight at the

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Speaker 2: town hall and they were hyped up. They so I

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Speaker 2: played in Auckland, so I told them that I'd play

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Speaker 2: a sex pistol song on New Storks. He'd be for them, And.

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Speaker 22: Here we go.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to another week of

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Speaker 2: Matt and Tyler Afternoons. We'll be back on Monday afternoon for.

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Speaker 20: More of us.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you then.

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Speaker 1: For more from News Talk set B listen live on

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Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever

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