WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 210: Reviewing the latest T20 campaigns 0:00:09.093 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 0:00:12.373 --> 0:00:15.173 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 0:00:15.333 --> 0:00:16.133 iHeart Radio. 0:00:18.453 --> 0:00:22.573 Yeah, take another pat now, well it's a trick. It 0:00:22.733 --> 0:00:24.213 is out. The test is over. 0:00:26.453 --> 0:00:27.173 Couldn't dismay? 0:00:27.253 --> 0:00:30.773 Oh wow from a beaut it is out and hearing guys, 0:00:30.893 --> 0:00:32.013 this delivery has in you. 0:00:32.413 --> 0:00:33.493 Used to Bold. 0:00:35.573 --> 0:00:38.933 On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 0:00:39.253 --> 0:00:43.133 powered by News Talks head B at iHeart Radio. 0:00:46.573 --> 0:00:49.533 Hello on the proNT Court. Best with you again. Letty 0:00:49.613 --> 0:00:52.373 Happening in the World of Crickets a series when over 0:00:52.453 --> 0:00:55.253 packet found for the Black Cat the White Ferns struggled 0:00:55.253 --> 0:00:58.693 to make progress against the world's best our players at 0:00:58.813 --> 0:01:02.493 odds with the inded c over contract rights issues. How 0:01:02.613 --> 0:01:05.973 costly could it be? Seventy years this week since we 0:01:06.133 --> 0:01:10.173 were dismissed for twenty six and I'm wanted record and 0:01:10.973 --> 0:01:14.973 two umpires dispatched from the ICC umpire and penel one 0:01:15.093 --> 0:01:18.133 probably didn't deserve it, Hi did Jeremy Coney And to 0:01:18.653 --> 0:01:22.773 Peter Holland Peter Well nonto us was moose and he's 0:01:22.853 --> 0:01:26.693 just returned from a holiday in Jordland. There were sighting 0:01:27.013 --> 0:01:28.133 of moose down there. 0:01:31.013 --> 0:01:34.053 Yes, that was loved. I do love it down there, 0:01:35.053 --> 0:01:38.413 but up in the Kempany coast quite easily. 0:01:40.333 --> 0:01:42.013 Every seen him down there, Jerry. 0:01:42.853 --> 0:01:45.933 They're everywhere, aren't they. Moose Is everywhere mice moosey. 0:01:46.613 --> 0:01:51.133 Yeah, hey, let's get on with it. Series win over Pakistan. 0:01:51.333 --> 0:01:52.853 Were Pakistan good enough? Jerry? 0:01:54.493 --> 0:01:58.333 I know they weren't. They were inexperienced side. They played 0:01:58.373 --> 0:02:02.493 well in Auckland, didn't they? Pakistan the bet and I 0:02:02.653 --> 0:02:09.013 felt the conditions and the shorter pitched bowling and bounce 0:02:09.053 --> 0:02:13.493 from the taller bowlers O Rot Duffy's tears, they found 0:02:13.613 --> 0:02:19.533 defending it pretty awkward and they therefore had to play aggressively. 0:02:20.053 --> 0:02:22.973 And that means if you can't defend a ball, you're 0:02:23.053 --> 0:02:27.613 unable to manipulate the ball around in between the big shots. 0:02:28.573 --> 0:02:31.653 So you still need to do that. In twenty twenty crickets, 0:02:32.053 --> 0:02:35.213 two fours and over is eight, but you need to 0:02:35.253 --> 0:02:37.973 get the twos and the ones in between the big shots. 0:02:38.813 --> 0:02:42.733 So yeah, I felt they couldn't do that, and so 0:02:43.213 --> 0:02:44.053 they were defeated. 0:02:44.133 --> 0:02:49.493 Really, most few were against the inclusion of guys like 0:02:49.773 --> 0:02:52.573 Seifert and Finale and stuff, and I agree with you 0:02:52.653 --> 0:02:54.173 on the point that you know, we should be looking 0:02:54.213 --> 0:02:57.133 at players who are committing themselves to the New Zealand game. 0:02:57.213 --> 0:02:59.733 But Seifert was probably the star of the show, wasn't he. 0:03:00.973 --> 0:03:06.613 We're true, and Phil Allen's contributions were pretty good as well. 0:03:07.533 --> 0:03:12.013 Given every chance, I don't think I I'm walking walking 0:03:12.053 --> 0:03:16.013 away from my earlier comments, bearing in mind that the 0:03:16.373 --> 0:03:19.853 team that Pakistan board, I still saw it as a 0:03:19.893 --> 0:03:22.813 good opportunity. That said, I guess that I guess the 0:03:22.933 --> 0:03:26.453 selectors are wanting to keep their options open, which is 0:03:26.493 --> 0:03:29.813 a fair point with a World Cup, another World Cup 0:03:29.893 --> 0:03:35.013 coming up, I think next year. So I'm I think, okay, fine, 0:03:35.213 --> 0:03:38.453 we know they're there. They've shown some talent. Alan looked 0:03:38.453 --> 0:03:42.133 a bit better. Sidered very good. I agree Anisian Nisian 0:03:42.333 --> 0:03:46.293 was got a five wicket in the last one. It's hard. 0:03:46.333 --> 0:03:49.093 It's hard to argue that said, I noticed it in 0:03:49.173 --> 0:03:51.813 the one day squad. They brought in a few new players, 0:03:51.853 --> 0:03:54.613 and now that that I do applaud and I'm pleased 0:03:54.653 --> 0:03:59.213 about that. So so I guess they are broadening the 0:03:59.293 --> 0:04:02.453 pool of of of of of players, and so for 0:04:02.573 --> 0:04:05.893 that I have to dp my hat to to the 0:04:05.973 --> 0:04:08.213 selectors and the coaches and the coaching team. 0:04:08.853 --> 0:04:11.173 Jerry, We've missedter Duffy, haven't we. I mean he is 0:04:11.293 --> 0:04:14.373 now becoming a first choice Pickersney for our one day 0:04:14.453 --> 0:04:15.893 sides has to play. 0:04:15.973 --> 0:04:19.653 I think Brian will be interesting, won't it. And I 0:04:19.773 --> 0:04:23.853 don't know whether they can bully the Pakistan side that 0:04:23.973 --> 0:04:28.893 they've selected, which is a much stronger Pakistan eleven I 0:04:28.973 --> 0:04:33.053 think in the ode I's so that's going to be interesting. 0:04:33.093 --> 0:04:38.373 But Duffy, yes, I agree with Moose. It's interesting, isn't it. 0:04:38.453 --> 0:04:42.493 We're going to have some younger players, Kelly Mohammed a bass, 0:04:44.013 --> 0:04:47.293 Addie Ashok the leg spinner. Then you've got Duffy, O'Rourke 0:04:47.413 --> 0:04:51.613 Sears coming in. There's still quite young players. Nathan Smith 0:04:51.973 --> 0:04:55.533 has been around, Rhys Murray, who I see is there 0:04:55.613 --> 0:04:59.293 as well. So you know, it's a very different looking. 0:04:59.493 --> 0:05:03.893 It's almost as if the two sides have swipped swipped around, 0:05:04.333 --> 0:05:08.013 isn't it. Really they've swapped about and it's New Zealand 0:05:08.093 --> 0:05:09.653 now have got the younger players. 0:05:10.173 --> 0:05:12.013 That said, you know, I I do like the look 0:05:12.093 --> 0:05:15.773 of it. And and at the risk of HARKing back 0:05:15.773 --> 0:05:18.573 over something that we've already talked through. It's rather lamentable 0:05:18.653 --> 0:05:20.973 that we couldn't see Duffy playing in that that that 0:05:21.173 --> 0:05:26.733 Test series just gone. Yeah, breask quick shapes it away. 0:05:27.133 --> 0:05:30.893 All the things that he he shan't be named, was 0:05:30.933 --> 0:05:35.333 not particularly wasn't wasn't giving us. And every time Duffy's played, 0:05:35.533 --> 0:05:38.893 he's got wickets and and looked really really good. And 0:05:38.973 --> 0:05:41.933 I I just hope they actually stay with him because 0:05:41.973 --> 0:05:44.853 he gives us something, doesn't he. But I am looking 0:05:44.893 --> 0:05:47.533 forward to this one day series and seeing how these 0:05:47.813 --> 0:05:51.973 younger players or new players coming on. Couldn't disappointed that 0:05:52.053 --> 0:05:54.253 we couldn't see this guy, Josh Clarkson, but I think 0:05:54.293 --> 0:05:58.093 he's come back from injury, the CD who got a 0:05:58.133 --> 0:06:03.293 little chance last year. But there's again, I think that 0:06:03.373 --> 0:06:05.173 there's a bit of talent running around New Zealand and 0:06:05.253 --> 0:06:07.293 that's that's that's the bit done. Looking forward to. 0:06:08.693 --> 0:06:11.413 We've got Risban coming back in for the Pakistan side, 0:06:11.453 --> 0:06:14.413 Babba Azam Fahim immamal Haaks, so they're going to be 0:06:14.453 --> 0:06:20.413 a stronger side than the tweety side. Yeah, and the women, well, 0:06:20.573 --> 0:06:24.413 the White fans struggled to make some progress. I didn't 0:06:24.453 --> 0:06:27.853 expect them to beat the Australians. The Australians are a 0:06:28.133 --> 0:06:31.253 very good side. But apart from that last game when 0:06:31.333 --> 0:06:34.453 Maddy Green and Millie Kurd nearly got New Zealand up 0:06:34.853 --> 0:06:38.613 twitty off the last ten balls, we didn't see them 0:06:38.653 --> 0:06:41.013 put in the same sort of performances that we saw 0:06:41.133 --> 0:06:45.573 against Sri lank a different opposition. But we really needed 0:06:45.573 --> 0:06:46.893 to see a continuation, didn't we. 0:06:47.533 --> 0:06:51.933 Well, I mean New Zealand's I mean yes, they got 0:06:52.013 --> 0:06:55.013 closer in the third match. You have mentioned that, and 0:06:55.133 --> 0:06:57.133 that was through the batting, not through the fielding. The 0:06:57.173 --> 0:07:02.013 fielding cost them the game obviously, but you know Australia 0:07:02.093 --> 0:07:07.493 all round, they just remind you they're just all around athleticism, 0:07:07.613 --> 0:07:11.453 the range of batsting skills, the bowling skills as well 0:07:11.533 --> 0:07:15.933 and certainly fielding. You just simply have got to acknowledge 0:07:16.013 --> 0:07:20.693 our superior side. And you know, for New Zealand to win, 0:07:22.133 --> 0:07:26.413 they have to play out of their skin and Australia 0:07:26.493 --> 0:07:29.813 have to play poorly for them to get a victory. 0:07:29.853 --> 0:07:33.093 They as I say in game three, yet they encouraging 0:07:33.613 --> 0:07:36.933 and a bit of optimism there, but you know, just 0:07:37.213 --> 0:07:40.133 too much power with the bat. They when they play 0:07:40.173 --> 0:07:45.773 their cricket shots. They are really extensions of orthodox cricket, 0:07:46.573 --> 0:07:49.693 you know, and driving in the air and so on, 0:07:50.533 --> 0:07:56.373 more power, more speed between the wickets, leg spinners that 0:07:56.573 --> 0:07:59.653 actually get the ball to drift before it takes turn. 0:08:00.213 --> 0:08:03.653 So just an all round we you know, we're going 0:08:03.693 --> 0:08:06.933 to have to roll our sleeves up and if we 0:08:07.093 --> 0:08:11.613 want to legitimately challenge that Australian side. So a glimpse 0:08:11.653 --> 0:08:14.893 of what was possible in Game three, but a lot 0:08:14.973 --> 0:08:15.893 of work to be done. 0:08:16.653 --> 0:08:19.813 If you were picking an Australian side and you had 0:08:19.853 --> 0:08:25.013 a choice of New Zealanders, I posit to you, gentlemen, 0:08:25.173 --> 0:08:27.933 that there would only be one player that from Musical 0:08:28.453 --> 0:08:32.253 that would get in and that's merely Curve. And I 0:08:32.333 --> 0:08:35.493 think I think if we're agreed on that, then what 0:08:35.573 --> 0:08:39.293 does that say. It just says Australia are light and 0:08:39.413 --> 0:08:45.533 day just just better. And that includes the previous team 0:08:45.613 --> 0:08:47.413 that we would have thought would have would have taken 0:08:47.413 --> 0:08:49.813 them close, but they got absolutely belted in the Ashes 0:08:49.893 --> 0:08:53.333 series being England. So I think we yeah, you're right, Jerry. 0:08:53.493 --> 0:08:56.653 The athleticism, the you know, they've got some they've got 0:08:56.693 --> 0:08:58.973 some people who can who can bowl well, you know, 0:08:59.333 --> 0:09:04.173 pretty brisk stuff spinners that is, you know, it's great 0:09:04.213 --> 0:09:07.573 to watch them because they are very very good, the. 0:09:07.773 --> 0:09:10.613 Very good name move before the ball is bowled, sometimes 0:09:10.773 --> 0:09:15.093 slide across to access vacant areas in the field so 0:09:15.293 --> 0:09:17.693 that you can pitch outside off and you get swept, 0:09:18.453 --> 0:09:21.533 you know, and they are playing the game at a 0:09:21.573 --> 0:09:22.173 different level. 0:09:23.533 --> 0:09:25.973 I just think there's no doubt that said, it's been 0:09:26.013 --> 0:09:29.333 great to actually have get them coming out out here 0:09:29.493 --> 0:09:35.693 and having our ask being able to see them because 0:09:35.693 --> 0:09:37.293 we don't. Otherwise we wouldn't really get to see them 0:09:37.413 --> 0:09:40.653 very much. And they're the best in the world and 0:09:40.733 --> 0:09:43.413 it's wonderful that we actually get them sins the level, 0:09:43.533 --> 0:09:46.733 doesn't it where our our our crickets have got to 0:09:46.773 --> 0:09:47.013 get to. 0:09:47.373 --> 0:09:49.653 That can only be good most definitely. 0:09:49.813 --> 0:09:53.613 On the front foot. And here he goes the bouncer. 0:09:54.613 --> 0:09:58.493 One of our regular listeners is bowling a bouncer for 0:09:58.653 --> 0:10:01.493 me this week. Trent says, what on earth is going 0:10:01.573 --> 0:10:04.093 on with the scoreboard at Wellington Stadium. It's bad enough 0:10:04.173 --> 0:10:07.573 that we have to endure cricket in a characterlesst tupper 0:10:07.653 --> 0:10:11.013 where can of a stadium instead of lounging on the 0:10:11.133 --> 0:10:14.733 luxurious grasp banks at the basin. However, the powers that 0:10:14.853 --> 0:10:18.213 be insist on filling up the scoreboard with ads, making 0:10:18.293 --> 0:10:21.933 the actual cricket information so small that the Hubble Space 0:10:22.013 --> 0:10:25.853 telescope would struggle to resolve it. Do we really need 0:10:25.933 --> 0:10:28.413 an ad that takes up three quarters of the screen 0:10:28.573 --> 0:10:31.493 every time someone scores? Do we really need a quarter 0:10:31.573 --> 0:10:34.373 of the screen permanently taken up with the names of 0:10:34.453 --> 0:10:37.493 the countries playing as if we had no idea who 0:10:37.573 --> 0:10:40.173 had just mortgaged the house to buy tickets to see 0:10:40.573 --> 0:10:43.813 next time? I'll bring my flat screen TV along and 0:10:44.213 --> 0:10:46.573 make my own scoreboard. And a man with a failing 0:10:46.653 --> 0:10:50.453 ice like myself cannot disagree with your trent. Thank you 0:10:50.693 --> 0:10:53.253 very much for your coming. I'm sure you guys probably 0:10:53.373 --> 0:10:54.173 understand as well. 0:10:55.013 --> 0:10:56.453 Where with your trent totally. 0:10:57.773 --> 0:11:00.573 The only reason why they probably need the ads on 0:11:00.653 --> 0:11:02.573 the screen is because they don't have the people in 0:11:02.613 --> 0:11:05.813 the stadium, because it's not a place that many people 0:11:05.853 --> 0:11:07.933 really want to go to in that late in the 0:11:08.013 --> 0:11:11.293 your on the evenings, which are rather brisk and frankly 0:11:11.973 --> 0:11:16.253 just not in attractive offering. Give me the base anytime, please. 0:11:16.733 --> 0:11:21.253 Yes, most definitely. Four and a half thousand could have 0:11:21.293 --> 0:11:23.853 played at the base reserve as well. One of the 0:11:23.933 --> 0:11:27.773 issues that's been well bubbling away in the background and 0:11:27.893 --> 0:11:30.613 hasn't been made public from recent times is a dispute 0:11:31.013 --> 0:11:34.693 between the cricket players both men and women, their Association 0:11:35.013 --> 0:11:39.533 and New Zealand Cricket over players names, images, likenesses, rights, 0:11:39.693 --> 0:11:44.373 et cetera, et cetera. Heath Mills, the Cricket Players Association, 0:11:44.533 --> 0:11:48.173 said it's been made clear to them that they've received 0:11:48.213 --> 0:11:51.413 a number of legal letters towards the end of last 0:11:51.533 --> 0:11:56.213 year and also their affiliates, the World Crickets Association. New 0:11:56.293 --> 0:12:00.013 Zealand Cricket Chief Executive Scott Weening says he can confirm 0:12:00.093 --> 0:12:04.133 that discussions between the two parties on this matter are ongoing. 0:12:04.453 --> 0:12:07.813 But it's incorrect to say New Zealand has taken legal action. 0:12:07.933 --> 0:12:12.493 But once you get lawyers involved, there is legal action. 0:12:12.653 --> 0:12:15.773 What are you like The issue, guys, is not so 0:12:15.933 --> 0:12:18.533 much the rights. I mean, when you were playing, there's 0:12:18.573 --> 0:12:21.213 probably no thought of worrying about players image and rights. 0:12:21.253 --> 0:12:23.213 It was getting paid to play the game, wasn't it. 0:12:23.773 --> 0:12:27.613 Yeah. Absolutely. It's a bit sad, isn't it to see 0:12:27.613 --> 0:12:31.013 the two central pillars of the game in New Zealand 0:12:31.053 --> 0:12:34.853 the administration on one hand, and the enz CPA they're 0:12:34.893 --> 0:12:37.533 sort of the players union if you like, on the 0:12:37.653 --> 0:12:44.973 other at Loggerheads. They've worked relatively closely since the time 0:12:45.093 --> 0:12:48.053 before when they had the strike of course the two parties, 0:12:48.413 --> 0:12:51.453 which was really quite nasty two thousand and two. That was, 0:12:52.253 --> 0:12:55.493 But more concerning for me is that they've been unable 0:12:55.573 --> 0:12:58.853 to find a solution. They've been unable to get to 0:12:58.933 --> 0:13:02.533 a point where they can agree. So that means, as 0:13:02.653 --> 0:13:06.933 you've said, we get other people to make those decisions 0:13:07.813 --> 0:13:10.453 and their old lawyers and men in suits who have 0:13:10.533 --> 0:13:13.733 got large pockets. So that's not good for our game. 0:13:13.813 --> 0:13:17.373 I don't think you know. There's this You're right, this 0:13:17.693 --> 0:13:23.773 nil names images and likeness digital images of players. There's 0:13:23.773 --> 0:13:26.893 an Indian company that have got an app. It's called 0:13:26.933 --> 0:13:31.453 I think World Cricket twenty. Look, my understanding with this, 0:13:31.613 --> 0:13:33.853 WADS is that New Zealand Cricket have made a deal 0:13:35.573 --> 0:13:37.493 with the sort of the Dream of leven Or is 0:13:37.533 --> 0:13:39.253 that what you were calling it when you spoke to me, 0:13:39.893 --> 0:13:45.733 The Indian fantasy Yeah, the fantasy sport platform, and they 0:13:45.773 --> 0:13:50.933 were giving New Zealand Cricket. We're giving exclusive rights if 0:13:50.973 --> 0:13:54.493 you like, to them and being able to use them, 0:13:55.733 --> 0:13:57.853 and New Zealand were plaid in New Zealand Cricket. That's 0:13:57.893 --> 0:14:00.813 the administrators were paid money for that, and they were 0:14:00.933 --> 0:14:04.573 dividing that money up fifty percent to the council and 0:14:04.773 --> 0:14:07.213 fifty percent to the players. Is that right? 0:14:08.573 --> 0:14:10.813 Yeah, and it's quite substantial, as I understand. 0:14:11.493 --> 0:14:15.213 Right, Okay, so that's fine. Where Heath Mills comes into it, 0:14:16.133 --> 0:14:20.173 of course, working with their players union. He says that 0:14:20.333 --> 0:14:23.493 you know players that they've been claudial so far, but 0:14:23.653 --> 0:14:28.173 no longer. This is a different end z C, different administration, 0:14:28.973 --> 0:14:32.813 and so he is saying, and it's quite I mean, 0:14:32.893 --> 0:14:36.213 I can understand what he's saying. He's saying, Yes, if 0:14:36.333 --> 0:14:40.813 New Zealand players are wearing logos on their clothes and 0:14:41.053 --> 0:14:44.733 marks on their clothes that say they're from New Zealand Cricket, yeah, 0:14:45.453 --> 0:14:49.413 that's yours New Zealand Cricket. But when they're not, when 0:14:49.493 --> 0:14:53.293 they're not, then it's the players. I think that's where 0:14:53.333 --> 0:14:55.133 the difference is. Is that would that be fair? 0:14:57.013 --> 0:14:59.693 Yeah, well that's the point of discussion. I suppose the 0:14:59.773 --> 0:15:02.013 lawyers have to sort that out. She'd never have had 0:15:02.053 --> 0:15:04.373 to face jesuses to do. I mean, you would have 0:15:04.413 --> 0:15:07.213 had a lot of contracts because you played around a 0:15:07.253 --> 0:15:09.293 fair number of leagues during your career, didn't you. 0:15:10.213 --> 0:15:14.613 Yeah, we had contracts. But I'm not unused to disputes 0:15:14.693 --> 0:15:18.173 and contracts in my in my in my other life, 0:15:18.773 --> 0:15:21.293 so I'm sort of somewhat familiar with this sort of 0:15:21.333 --> 0:15:24.573 thing here. What I'm seeing here is is a transaction 0:15:24.733 --> 0:15:28.333 done with with an organization who's paid good money. Now, 0:15:28.933 --> 0:15:31.493 the point that we're running into and why lawyers are involved, 0:15:31.613 --> 0:15:35.293 is a question of definition. Was it was it expressly 0:15:35.773 --> 0:15:39.893 dealt with that the images? Were these images with nz 0:15:40.133 --> 0:15:43.413 SEE logos or otherways or is it all images? And 0:15:43.493 --> 0:15:45.413 that's where that's where this is where the number of 0:15:45.453 --> 0:15:48.693 it all is. Because if I'm if I'm of the 0:15:48.773 --> 0:15:51.413 party that's entered into this arrangement with nz C, and 0:15:51.573 --> 0:15:54.973 I've paid good money, which is called consideration, and the 0:15:55.053 --> 0:15:59.373 players have accepted that money, it becomes rather rather difficult 0:15:59.573 --> 0:16:01.973 to accept the money on one hand and then argue 0:16:02.013 --> 0:16:05.773 on the other. So I can see where lawyers are 0:16:06.213 --> 0:16:09.813 mulling over said documents and saying, well, what did we 0:16:09.933 --> 0:16:14.693 mean and what was intended? So it's messy, and I 0:16:14.813 --> 0:16:18.093 am not surprised because players rights and images and things 0:16:18.493 --> 0:16:22.453 are valuable now and I can understand why, Okay Williamson 0:16:24.013 --> 0:16:27.293 or whoever else Mitchell Satner would want to preserve that 0:16:27.453 --> 0:16:34.133 because that is their ip, if you will. It's difficult 0:16:34.213 --> 0:16:36.573 and messy, but the players and sorts of fat taking 0:16:36.653 --> 0:16:41.253 good money, then it becomes I think it becomes rather 0:16:41.333 --> 0:16:43.093 interesting and I think this is going to be drawn out. 0:16:43.493 --> 0:16:45.933 Yeah, it's been happening in rugby as well, of course. 0:16:45.933 --> 0:16:48.533 I mean Richie mccaugh had an issue I think while 0:16:48.573 --> 0:16:51.053 he was playing, and you know those contract issues do 0:16:51.173 --> 0:16:53.053 take a bit of time. But what it does do 0:16:53.533 --> 0:16:56.373 is it puts a negative spotlight on the game, doesn't it. 0:16:56.653 --> 0:16:59.893 It costs the game, It costs the players, and we 0:17:00.013 --> 0:17:03.213 don't want that happening, you know it. You know they've 0:17:03.253 --> 0:17:06.693 had twenty years, as Heath Mill says, of good understanding. 0:17:06.933 --> 0:17:08.893 We want to keep that, don't we, and the good 0:17:08.973 --> 0:17:10.413 faith between the two parties. 0:17:11.013 --> 0:17:13.293 Did the players know what they were entering into when 0:17:13.333 --> 0:17:13.973 they accept the debt? 0:17:13.973 --> 0:17:17.293 Well, that's the question. Yeah, I guess that's the question. 0:17:17.813 --> 0:17:18.413 We don't know that. 0:17:18.533 --> 0:17:21.413 My expectation is I suspect they really didn't and they 0:17:21.973 --> 0:17:23.813 and they were they were going, oh yeah that's fine, yeah, 0:17:23.853 --> 0:17:25.333 yeah yeah, the bank accounts here, yeah. 0:17:26.173 --> 0:17:26.813 Will take the money. 0:17:26.893 --> 0:17:28.493 Yeah yeah yeah. 0:17:29.653 --> 0:17:32.613 Cricket is quite keen on put pocketing the cash. It's 0:17:32.613 --> 0:17:35.773 always been my experience and so let's not look at 0:17:35.813 --> 0:17:38.733 the detail. That's where I think we have have the problem. 0:17:39.293 --> 0:17:40.933 Yeah, we'll have to watch that one with a great 0:17:40.973 --> 0:17:43.933 deal of interest because they're due to go to mediation. 0:17:44.053 --> 0:17:46.333 Whether that happens, I'm not too sure. We don't hear 0:17:46.413 --> 0:17:49.173 too much out of New Zealand Cricket or the Players Association. 0:17:49.293 --> 0:17:51.173 That's a matter of you know, a little league here 0:17:51.213 --> 0:17:55.453 and a little leak there from one player to just 0:17:55.653 --> 0:17:57.533 to talk to you. But they don't want to have 0:17:57.653 --> 0:18:02.053 their name published and good on. That's fair enough enough. Yeah, 0:18:02.133 --> 0:18:04.053 there's there's a couple of other issues and I think 0:18:04.373 --> 0:18:07.373 it's something we need to look into. The World Cricketers Association, 0:18:07.493 --> 0:18:11.573 of which he Mills is a director, has published a 0:18:11.613 --> 0:18:14.373 six month review into the sports structure at the elite 0:18:14.493 --> 0:18:17.253 level and says the current situation is putting the future 0:18:17.253 --> 0:18:20.013 of the international game at risk. Amid the rise of 0:18:20.133 --> 0:18:24.133 T twenty leagues. They want to make a radical change. 0:18:25.413 --> 0:18:27.293 They didn't need a big report, Jerry, did they to 0:18:27.373 --> 0:18:29.533 tell us that there needs to be a radical change 0:18:29.573 --> 0:18:31.813 in terms of how the program has developed. 0:18:32.813 --> 0:18:36.213 No, mate, the game is clearly at a tipping point 0:18:36.973 --> 0:18:40.653 where it's very hard to organize things. There are so many, 0:18:41.853 --> 0:18:46.173 so many World Cups nowadays. You know, everybody wants to 0:18:46.253 --> 0:18:50.413 make some money through the broadcasters, don't they. So there's 0:18:50.493 --> 0:18:52.853 just more and more being fitted in all the time. 0:18:53.373 --> 0:18:55.173 What these guys are trying to do, it seems to me, 0:18:55.293 --> 0:18:58.813 is just reorganized things slightly into different areas so that 0:18:58.933 --> 0:19:01.853 we've got certain periods of the year that are devoted 0:19:01.973 --> 0:19:06.933 to different aspects, different formats of the game, and try 0:19:07.053 --> 0:19:10.333 to get it a little more organization to the whole year, 0:19:10.973 --> 0:19:14.933 which seems sensible. It's not a big idea, it's not 0:19:15.053 --> 0:19:19.493 a new idea. So let's if they are able to 0:19:19.573 --> 0:19:24.093 get you know, things moving in that direction. Yeah, let's 0:19:24.173 --> 0:19:29.533 do that. So I mean, is it saying more than that, Brian? 0:19:30.333 --> 0:19:30.693 Not a lot. 0:19:30.733 --> 0:19:33.093 At the moment. They want to reduce the sort of 0:19:33.333 --> 0:19:37.013 financial rewards and revenues for the BCCI, and I. 0:19:37.013 --> 0:19:42.013 Don't see that happening, No, probably not. I did see 0:19:42.373 --> 0:19:46.173 the report. It was distributed actually by the Plans Association 0:19:46.293 --> 0:19:48.613 that came through on the email. It's it's a lazy 0:19:48.693 --> 0:19:52.253 forty four odd pages which I started about page one 0:19:52.333 --> 0:19:55.613 and the I started glazing over and I thought themselves, 0:19:55.773 --> 0:19:58.053 I don't need another one of these reports. I think 0:19:58.093 --> 0:20:02.573 the intent is good, because if we do nothing and 0:20:03.373 --> 0:20:06.533 the issues are not raised, then I think it becomes 0:20:06.533 --> 0:20:09.733 a little bit shambolic, as as yet another T twenty 0:20:09.773 --> 0:20:13.453 competition pops in and eats up some time. So I 0:20:13.533 --> 0:20:17.133 think it's good to address the issue. But will it 0:20:17.253 --> 0:20:19.733 become just another report that just ends up gathering dust 0:20:21.173 --> 0:20:24.013 and the BCI will do what the BCI wishes. 0:20:25.093 --> 0:20:27.493 Yeah, well, well it's another one. We'll have to follow 0:20:27.573 --> 0:20:30.493 with a lot of interest to see where that heads. Well, 0:20:30.533 --> 0:20:33.733 because you know, the program is getting plogged and something 0:20:33.853 --> 0:20:37.213 needs to be done, quite clearly, a couple of issues. 0:20:37.493 --> 0:20:41.653 Seventy years since we were out for twenty six, guys, 0:20:41.733 --> 0:20:43.973 none of us will remember it. I remember it vaguely 0:20:44.013 --> 0:20:47.533 as a little wee boy and my dad being a 0:20:47.573 --> 0:20:49.733 little bit disturbed by the fact that we're all out 0:20:49.773 --> 0:20:52.333 for twenty six. But it's something we haven't got rid 0:20:52.373 --> 0:20:54.293 of it. We've come close a couple of times, Jerry, 0:20:54.333 --> 0:20:56.973 an't we we have we have. 0:20:57.853 --> 0:21:01.453 There's always a little spark, isn't there when some side 0:21:02.053 --> 0:21:05.613 is eight for twenty four or something like that, we 0:21:06.373 --> 0:21:08.773 might be replaced and not put it the top of 0:21:08.853 --> 0:21:10.493 that list that we don't want to be part of. 0:21:11.173 --> 0:21:12.893 It was a funny old game, though, wasn't it. New 0:21:12.973 --> 0:21:17.253 Zealand battered. I think got two hundred and and then 0:21:17.373 --> 0:21:20.093 the the English got to forty six, so they weren't 0:21:20.133 --> 0:21:26.413 that far ahead, but forty six was enough and we 0:21:26.573 --> 0:21:29.853 were bowld out for twenty six. I remember Bert Sutcliffe 0:21:29.853 --> 0:21:31.413 saying he I think he was the only one who 0:21:31.453 --> 0:21:34.013 got double figures, not sure, but he said he was. 0:21:34.333 --> 0:21:36.773 He was opening. He got out and went and had 0:21:36.773 --> 0:21:39.933 a shower and changed. By the time he came in 0:21:40.013 --> 0:21:42.453 and dried himself, everybody was out and they were all 0:21:42.533 --> 0:21:47.773 sitting in the changing room. So yeah, Bob, Bob epple Yard, 0:21:47.893 --> 0:21:51.213 poor joker. He got what four for four for about 0:21:51.293 --> 0:21:54.413 seven and was on on a hat trick a couple 0:21:54.453 --> 0:21:57.853 of times I think, and wasn't able to h to 0:21:58.013 --> 0:22:02.493 complete it. But anyway, yeah, that was that was not 0:22:02.613 --> 0:22:04.493 a day. We want to recall from Auckland. 0:22:05.053 --> 0:22:07.813 Well, perhaps we can have one further recollection. A number 0:22:07.853 --> 0:22:10.493 of years ago the late Frank Tyson came to New 0:22:10.573 --> 0:22:14.293 Zealand and spoke at Eden Park in Auckland, and he 0:22:14.573 --> 0:22:20.173 had recollections of that game and one incident within it. 0:22:20.293 --> 0:22:24.853 From his viewpoint, twenty four fifty five would perhaps a 0:22:25.013 --> 0:22:29.173 better time for me, in so far as it was 0:22:29.253 --> 0:22:32.733 the occasion when I was perhaps outstanding not for my 0:22:32.933 --> 0:22:38.413 bowling but my batting, because I was taken off at 0:22:38.573 --> 0:22:43.373 eden Park after having taken two for nine, being deemed 0:22:43.413 --> 0:22:58.653 too expensive. But to my undying credit, I will say 0:22:59.093 --> 0:23:01.493 that when I came into batlen happened who was batting? 0:23:01.533 --> 0:23:04.493 I think in that particular innings the second innings of 0:23:04.573 --> 0:23:07.493 the England side, and I should point out that New 0:23:07.573 --> 0:23:10.093 Zealand were very close to England and their first innings total, 0:23:11.333 --> 0:23:13.813 and Len, who scored a half century, came up to 0:23:13.893 --> 0:23:17.373 me and said stick around and we'll beat them by 0:23:17.533 --> 0:23:20.933 then ings and we've got to lead of fifty seven. 0:23:23.533 --> 0:23:26.933 And that's the only time in my life with you. 0:23:27.093 --> 0:23:31.053 Deference to Jim Laker, I made a bloody Yorkshire Optimist. 0:23:42.973 --> 0:23:46.653 Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney, on the front foot. 0:23:46.973 --> 0:23:49.813 Finally, guys Michael Goff and Joel Wilson have been dispatched 0:23:49.853 --> 0:23:56.173 from the ICC umpiring panel. Wilson I can understand. I've 0:23:56.213 --> 0:23:59.533 never rated his umpiring abilities, I've got to say, but 0:23:59.693 --> 0:24:02.093 Michael Goff I thought he was one of the bitter umpires. 0:24:04.293 --> 0:24:09.253 Joel Wilson causes lots of reviews and and from lots 0:24:09.293 --> 0:24:16.413 of sides. It may actually save time, who knows. Michael 0:24:16.493 --> 0:24:19.733 Goff I think is very highly regarded as a decision maker. 0:24:21.773 --> 0:24:26.133