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Speaker 2: Hello on the proNT Court. Best with you again. Letty
Speaker 2: Happening in the World of Crickets a series when over
Speaker 2: packet found for the Black Cat the White Ferns struggled
Speaker 2: to make progress against the world's best our players at
Speaker 2: odds with the inded c over contract rights issues. How
Speaker 2: costly could it be? Seventy years this week since we
Speaker 2: were dismissed for twenty six and I'm wanted record and
Speaker 2: two umpires dispatched from the ICC umpire and penel one
Speaker 2: probably didn't deserve it, Hi did Jeremy Coney And to
Speaker 2: Peter Holland Peter Well nonto us was moose and he's
Speaker 2: just returned from a holiday in Jordland. There were sighting
Speaker 2: of moose down there.
Speaker 4: Yes, that was loved. I do love it down there,
Speaker 4: but up in the Kempany coast quite easily.
Speaker 2: Every seen him down there, Jerry.
Speaker 3: They're everywhere, aren't they. Moose Is everywhere mice moosey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, let's get on with it. Series win over Pakistan.
Speaker 2: Were Pakistan good enough? Jerry?
Speaker 3: I know they weren't. They were inexperienced side. They played
Speaker 3: well in Auckland, didn't they? Pakistan the bet and I
Speaker 3: felt the conditions and the shorter pitched bowling and bounce
Speaker 3: from the taller bowlers O Rot Duffy's tears, they found
Speaker 3: defending it pretty awkward and they therefore had to play aggressively.
Speaker 3: And that means if you can't defend a ball, you're
Speaker 3: unable to manipulate the ball around in between the big shots.
Speaker 3: So you still need to do that. In twenty twenty crickets,
Speaker 3: two fours and over is eight, but you need to
Speaker 3: get the twos and the ones in between the big shots.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I felt they couldn't do that, and so
Speaker 3: they were defeated.
Speaker 2: Really, most few were against the inclusion of guys like
Speaker 2: Seifert and Finale and stuff, and I agree with you
Speaker 2: on the point that you know, we should be looking
Speaker 2: at players who are committing themselves to the New Zealand game.
Speaker 2: But Seifert was probably the star of the show, wasn't he.
Speaker 4: We're true, and Phil Allen's contributions were pretty good as well.
Speaker 4: Given every chance, I don't think I I'm walking walking
Speaker 4: away from my earlier comments, bearing in mind that the
Speaker 4: team that Pakistan board, I still saw it as a
Speaker 4: good opportunity. That said, I guess that I guess the
Speaker 4: selectors are wanting to keep their options open, which is
Speaker 4: a fair point with a World Cup, another World Cup
Speaker 4: coming up, I think next year. So I'm I think, okay, fine,
Speaker 4: we know they're there. They've shown some talent. Alan looked
Speaker 4: a bit better. Sidered very good. I agree Anisian Nisian
Speaker 4: was got a five wicket in the last one. It's hard.
Speaker 4: It's hard to argue that said, I noticed it in
Speaker 4: the one day squad. They brought in a few new players,
Speaker 4: and now that that I do applaud and I'm pleased
Speaker 4: about that. So so I guess they are broadening the
Speaker 4: pool of of of of of players, and so for
Speaker 4: that I have to dp my hat to to the
Speaker 4: selectors and the coaches and the coaching team.
Speaker 2: Jerry, We've missedter Duffy, haven't we. I mean he is
Speaker 2: now becoming a first choice Pickersney for our one day
Speaker 2: sides has to play.
Speaker 3: I think Brian will be interesting, won't it. And I
Speaker 3: don't know whether they can bully the Pakistan side that
Speaker 3: they've selected, which is a much stronger Pakistan eleven I
Speaker 3: think in the ode I's so that's going to be interesting.
Speaker 3: But Duffy, yes, I agree with Moose. It's interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 3: We're going to have some younger players, Kelly Mohammed a bass,
Speaker 3: Addie Ashok the leg spinner. Then you've got Duffy, O'Rourke
Speaker 3: Sears coming in. There's still quite young players. Nathan Smith
Speaker 3: has been around, Rhys Murray, who I see is there
Speaker 3: as well. So you know, it's a very different looking.
Speaker 3: It's almost as if the two sides have swipped swipped around,
Speaker 3: isn't it. Really they've swapped about and it's New Zealand
Speaker 3: now have got the younger players.
Speaker 4: That said, you know, I I do like the look
Speaker 4: of it. And and at the risk of HARKing back
Speaker 4: over something that we've already talked through. It's rather lamentable
Speaker 4: that we couldn't see Duffy playing in that that that
Speaker 4: Test series just gone. Yeah, breask quick shapes it away.
Speaker 4: All the things that he he shan't be named, was
Speaker 4: not particularly wasn't wasn't giving us. And every time Duffy's played,
Speaker 4: he's got wickets and and looked really really good. And
Speaker 4: I I just hope they actually stay with him because
Speaker 4: he gives us something, doesn't he. But I am looking
Speaker 4: forward to this one day series and seeing how these
Speaker 4: younger players or new players coming on. Couldn't disappointed that
Speaker 4: we couldn't see this guy, Josh Clarkson, but I think
Speaker 4: he's come back from injury, the CD who got a
Speaker 4: little chance last year. But there's again, I think that
Speaker 4: there's a bit of talent running around New Zealand and
Speaker 4: that's that's that's the bit done. Looking forward to.
Speaker 2: We've got Risban coming back in for the Pakistan side,
Speaker 2: Babba Azam Fahim immamal Haaks, so they're going to be
Speaker 2: a stronger side than the tweety side. Yeah, and the women, well,
Speaker 2: the White fans struggled to make some progress. I didn't
Speaker 2: expect them to beat the Australians. The Australians are a
Speaker 2: very good side. But apart from that last game when
Speaker 2: Maddy Green and Millie Kurd nearly got New Zealand up
Speaker 2: twitty off the last ten balls, we didn't see them
Speaker 2: put in the same sort of performances that we saw
Speaker 2: against Sri lank a different opposition. But we really needed
Speaker 2: to see a continuation, didn't we.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean New Zealand's I mean yes, they got
Speaker 3: closer in the third match. You have mentioned that, and
Speaker 3: that was through the batting, not through the fielding. The
Speaker 3: fielding cost them the game obviously, but you know Australia
Speaker 3: all round, they just remind you they're just all around athleticism,
Speaker 3: the range of batsting skills, the bowling skills as well
Speaker 3: and certainly fielding. You just simply have got to acknowledge
Speaker 3: our superior side. And you know, for New Zealand to win,
Speaker 3: they have to play out of their skin and Australia
Speaker 3: have to play poorly for them to get a victory.
Speaker 3: They as I say in game three, yet they encouraging
Speaker 3: and a bit of optimism there, but you know, just
Speaker 3: too much power with the bat. They when they play
Speaker 3: their cricket shots. They are really extensions of orthodox cricket,
Speaker 3: you know, and driving in the air and so on,
Speaker 3: more power, more speed between the wickets, leg spinners that
Speaker 3: actually get the ball to drift before it takes turn.
Speaker 3: So just an all round we you know, we're going
Speaker 3: to have to roll our sleeves up and if we
Speaker 3: want to legitimately challenge that Australian side. So a glimpse
Speaker 3: of what was possible in Game three, but a lot
Speaker 3: of work to be done.
Speaker 4: If you were picking an Australian side and you had
Speaker 4: a choice of New Zealanders, I posit to you, gentlemen,
Speaker 4: that there would only be one player that from Musical
Speaker 4: that would get in and that's merely Curve. And I
Speaker 4: think I think if we're agreed on that, then what
Speaker 4: does that say. It just says Australia are light and
Speaker 4: day just just better. And that includes the previous team
Speaker 4: that we would have thought would have would have taken
Speaker 4: them close, but they got absolutely belted in the Ashes
Speaker 4: series being England. So I think we yeah, you're right, Jerry.
Speaker 4: The athleticism, the you know, they've got some they've got
Speaker 4: some people who can who can bowl well, you know,
Speaker 4: pretty brisk stuff spinners that is, you know, it's great
Speaker 4: to watch them because they are very very good, the.
Speaker 3: Very good name move before the ball is bowled, sometimes
Speaker 3: slide across to access vacant areas in the field so
Speaker 3: that you can pitch outside off and you get swept,
Speaker 3: you know, and they are playing the game at a
Speaker 3: different level.
Speaker 4: I just think there's no doubt that said, it's been
Speaker 4: great to actually have get them coming out out here
Speaker 4: and having our ask being able to see them because
Speaker 4: we don't. Otherwise we wouldn't really get to see them
Speaker 4: very much. And they're the best in the world and
Speaker 4: it's wonderful that we actually get them sins the level,
Speaker 4: doesn't it where our our our crickets have got to
Speaker 4: get to.
Speaker 2: That can only be good most definitely.
Speaker 3: On the front foot. And here he goes the bouncer.
Speaker 2: One of our regular listeners is bowling a bouncer for
Speaker 2: me this week. Trent says, what on earth is going
Speaker 2: on with the scoreboard at Wellington Stadium. It's bad enough
Speaker 2: that we have to endure cricket in a characterlesst tupper
Speaker 2: where can of a stadium instead of lounging on the
Speaker 2: luxurious grasp banks at the basin. However, the powers that
Speaker 2: be insist on filling up the scoreboard with ads, making
Speaker 2: the actual cricket information so small that the Hubble Space
Speaker 2: telescope would struggle to resolve it. Do we really need
Speaker 2: an ad that takes up three quarters of the screen
Speaker 2: every time someone scores? Do we really need a quarter
Speaker 2: of the screen permanently taken up with the names of
Speaker 2: the countries playing as if we had no idea who
Speaker 2: had just mortgaged the house to buy tickets to see
Speaker 2: next time? I'll bring my flat screen TV along and
Speaker 2: make my own scoreboard. And a man with a failing
Speaker 2: ice like myself cannot disagree with your trent. Thank you
Speaker 2: very much for your coming. I'm sure you guys probably
Speaker 2: understand as well.
Speaker 3: Where with your trent totally.
Speaker 4: The only reason why they probably need the ads on
Speaker 4: the screen is because they don't have the people in
Speaker 4: the stadium, because it's not a place that many people
Speaker 4: really want to go to in that late in the
Speaker 4: your on the evenings, which are rather brisk and frankly
Speaker 4: just not in attractive offering. Give me the base anytime, please.
Speaker 2: Yes, most definitely. Four and a half thousand could have
Speaker 2: played at the base reserve as well. One of the
Speaker 2: issues that's been well bubbling away in the background and
Speaker 2: hasn't been made public from recent times is a dispute
Speaker 2: between the cricket players both men and women, their Association
Speaker 2: and New Zealand Cricket over players names, images, likenesses, rights,
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. Heath Mills, the Cricket Players Association,
Speaker 2: said it's been made clear to them that they've received
Speaker 2: a number of legal letters towards the end of last
Speaker 2: year and also their affiliates, the World Crickets Association. New
Speaker 2: Zealand Cricket Chief Executive Scott Weening says he can confirm
Speaker 2: that discussions between the two parties on this matter are ongoing.
Speaker 2: But it's incorrect to say New Zealand has taken legal action.
Speaker 2: But once you get lawyers involved, there is legal action.
Speaker 2: What are you like The issue, guys, is not so
Speaker 2: much the rights. I mean, when you were playing, there's
Speaker 2: probably no thought of worrying about players image and rights.
Speaker 2: It was getting paid to play the game, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. It's a bit sad, isn't it to see
Speaker 3: the two central pillars of the game in New Zealand
Speaker 3: the administration on one hand, and the enz CPA they're
Speaker 3: sort of the players union if you like, on the
Speaker 3: other at Loggerheads. They've worked relatively closely since the time
Speaker 3: before when they had the strike of course the two parties,
Speaker 3: which was really quite nasty two thousand and two. That was,
Speaker 3: But more concerning for me is that they've been unable
Speaker 3: to find a solution. They've been unable to get to
Speaker 3: a point where they can agree. So that means, as
Speaker 3: you've said, we get other people to make those decisions
Speaker 3: and their old lawyers and men in suits who have
Speaker 3: got large pockets. So that's not good for our game.
Speaker 3: I don't think you know. There's this You're right, this
Speaker 3: nil names images and likeness digital images of players. There's
Speaker 3: an Indian company that have got an app. It's called
Speaker 3: I think World Cricket twenty. Look, my understanding with this,
Speaker 3: WADS is that New Zealand Cricket have made a deal
Speaker 3: with the sort of the Dream of leven Or is
Speaker 3: that what you were calling it when you spoke to me,
Speaker 3: The Indian fantasy Yeah, the fantasy sport platform, and they
Speaker 3: were giving New Zealand Cricket. We're giving exclusive rights if
Speaker 3: you like, to them and being able to use them,
Speaker 3: and New Zealand were plaid in New Zealand Cricket. That's
Speaker 3: the administrators were paid money for that, and they were
Speaker 3: dividing that money up fifty percent to the council and
Speaker 3: fifty percent to the players. Is that right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's quite substantial, as I understand.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, so that's fine. Where Heath Mills comes into it,
Speaker 3: of course, working with their players union. He says that
Speaker 3: you know players that they've been claudial so far, but
Speaker 3: no longer. This is a different end z C, different administration,
Speaker 3: and so he is saying, and it's quite I mean,
Speaker 3: I can understand what he's saying. He's saying, Yes, if
Speaker 3: New Zealand players are wearing logos on their clothes and
Speaker 3: marks on their clothes that say they're from New Zealand Cricket, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's yours New Zealand Cricket. But when they're not, when
Speaker 3: they're not, then it's the players. I think that's where
Speaker 3: the difference is. Is that would that be fair?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the point of discussion. I suppose the
Speaker 2: lawyers have to sort that out. She'd never have had
Speaker 2: to face jesuses to do. I mean, you would have
Speaker 2: had a lot of contracts because you played around a
Speaker 2: fair number of leagues during your career, didn't you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had contracts. But I'm not unused to disputes
Speaker 4: and contracts in my in my in my other life,
Speaker 4: so I'm sort of somewhat familiar with this sort of
Speaker 4: thing here. What I'm seeing here is is a transaction
Speaker 4: done with with an organization who's paid good money. Now,
Speaker 4: the point that we're running into and why lawyers are involved,
Speaker 4: is a question of definition. Was it was it expressly
Speaker 4: dealt with that the images? Were these images with nz
Speaker 4: SEE logos or otherways or is it all images? And
Speaker 4: that's where that's where this is where the number of
Speaker 4: it all is. Because if I'm if I'm of the
Speaker 4: party that's entered into this arrangement with nz C, and
Speaker 4: I've paid good money, which is called consideration, and the
Speaker 4: players have accepted that money, it becomes rather rather difficult
Speaker 4: to accept the money on one hand and then argue
Speaker 4: on the other. So I can see where lawyers are
Speaker 4: mulling over said documents and saying, well, what did we
Speaker 4: mean and what was intended? So it's messy, and I
Speaker 4: am not surprised because players rights and images and things
Speaker 4: are valuable now and I can understand why, Okay Williamson
Speaker 4: or whoever else Mitchell Satner would want to preserve that
Speaker 4: because that is their ip, if you will. It's difficult
Speaker 4: and messy, but the players and sorts of fat taking
Speaker 4: good money, then it becomes I think it becomes rather
Speaker 4: interesting and I think this is going to be drawn out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been happening in rugby as well, of course.
Speaker 2: I mean Richie mccaugh had an issue I think while
Speaker 2: he was playing, and you know those contract issues do
Speaker 2: take a bit of time. But what it does do
Speaker 2: is it puts a negative spotlight on the game, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: It costs the game, It costs the players, and we
Speaker 2: don't want that happening, you know it. You know they've
Speaker 2: had twenty years, as Heath Mill says, of good understanding.
Speaker 2: We want to keep that, don't we, and the good
Speaker 2: faith between the two parties.
Speaker 4: Did the players know what they were entering into when
Speaker 4: they accept the debt?
Speaker 2: Well, that's the question. Yeah, I guess that's the question.
Speaker 2: We don't know that.
Speaker 4: My expectation is I suspect they really didn't and they
Speaker 4: and they were they were going, oh yeah that's fine, yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah yeah, the bank accounts here, yeah.
Speaker 2: Will take the money.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: Cricket is quite keen on put pocketing the cash. It's
Speaker 4: always been my experience and so let's not look at
Speaker 4: the detail. That's where I think we have have the problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have to watch that one with a great
Speaker 2: deal of interest because they're due to go to mediation.
Speaker 2: Whether that happens, I'm not too sure. We don't hear
Speaker 2: too much out of New Zealand Cricket or the Players Association.
Speaker 2: That's a matter of you know, a little league here
Speaker 2: and a little leak there from one player to just
Speaker 2: to talk to you. But they don't want to have
Speaker 2: their name published and good on. That's fair enough enough. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's there's a couple of other issues and I think
Speaker 2: it's something we need to look into. The World Cricketers Association,
Speaker 2: of which he Mills is a director, has published a
Speaker 2: six month review into the sports structure at the elite
Speaker 2: level and says the current situation is putting the future
Speaker 2: of the international game at risk. Amid the rise of
Speaker 2: T twenty leagues. They want to make a radical change.
Speaker 2: They didn't need a big report, Jerry, did they to
Speaker 2: tell us that there needs to be a radical change
Speaker 2: in terms of how the program has developed.
Speaker 3: No, mate, the game is clearly at a tipping point
Speaker 3: where it's very hard to organize things. There are so many,
Speaker 3: so many World Cups nowadays. You know, everybody wants to
Speaker 3: make some money through the broadcasters, don't they. So there's
Speaker 3: just more and more being fitted in all the time.
Speaker 3: What these guys are trying to do, it seems to me,
Speaker 3: is just reorganized things slightly into different areas so that
Speaker 3: we've got certain periods of the year that are devoted
Speaker 3: to different aspects, different formats of the game, and try
Speaker 3: to get it a little more organization to the whole year,
Speaker 3: which seems sensible. It's not a big idea, it's not
Speaker 3: a new idea. So let's if they are able to
Speaker 3: get you know, things moving in that direction. Yeah, let's
Speaker 3: do that. So I mean, is it saying more than that, Brian?
Speaker 3: Not a lot.
Speaker 2: At the moment. They want to reduce the sort of
Speaker 2: financial rewards and revenues for the BCCI, and I.
Speaker 4: Don't see that happening, No, probably not. I did see
Speaker 4: the report. It was distributed actually by the Plans Association
Speaker 4: that came through on the email. It's it's a lazy
Speaker 4: forty four odd pages which I started about page one
Speaker 4: and the I started glazing over and I thought themselves,
Speaker 4: I don't need another one of these reports. I think
Speaker 4: the intent is good, because if we do nothing and
Speaker 4: the issues are not raised, then I think it becomes
Speaker 4: a little bit shambolic, as as yet another T twenty
Speaker 4: competition pops in and eats up some time. So I
Speaker 4: think it's good to address the issue. But will it
Speaker 4: become just another report that just ends up gathering dust
Speaker 4: and the BCI will do what the BCI wishes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well it's another one. We'll have to follow
Speaker 2: with a lot of interest to see where that heads. Well,
Speaker 2: because you know, the program is getting plogged and something
Speaker 2: needs to be done, quite clearly, a couple of issues.
Speaker 2: Seventy years since we were out for twenty six, guys,
Speaker 2: none of us will remember it. I remember it vaguely
Speaker 2: as a little wee boy and my dad being a
Speaker 2: little bit disturbed by the fact that we're all out
Speaker 2: for twenty six. But it's something we haven't got rid
Speaker 2: of it. We've come close a couple of times, Jerry,
Speaker 2: an't we we have we have.
Speaker 3: There's always a little spark, isn't there when some side
Speaker 3: is eight for twenty four or something like that, we
Speaker 3: might be replaced and not put it the top of
Speaker 3: that list that we don't want to be part of.
Speaker 3: It was a funny old game, though, wasn't it. New
Speaker 3: Zealand battered. I think got two hundred and and then
Speaker 3: the the English got to forty six, so they weren't
Speaker 3: that far ahead, but forty six was enough and we
Speaker 3: were bowld out for twenty six. I remember Bert Sutcliffe
Speaker 3: saying he I think he was the only one who
Speaker 3: got double figures, not sure, but he said he was.
Speaker 3: He was opening. He got out and went and had
Speaker 3: a shower and changed. By the time he came in
Speaker 3: and dried himself, everybody was out and they were all
Speaker 3: sitting in the changing room. So yeah, Bob, Bob epple Yard,
Speaker 3: poor joker. He got what four for four for about
Speaker 3: seven and was on on a hat trick a couple
Speaker 3: of times I think, and wasn't able to h to
Speaker 3: complete it. But anyway, yeah, that was that was not
Speaker 3: a day. We want to recall from Auckland.
Speaker 2: Well, perhaps we can have one further recollection. A number
Speaker 2: of years ago the late Frank Tyson came to New
Speaker 2: Zealand and spoke at Eden Park in Auckland, and he
Speaker 2: had recollections of that game and one incident within it.
Speaker 5: From his viewpoint, twenty four fifty five would perhaps a
Speaker 5: better time for me, in so far as it was
Speaker 5: the occasion when I was perhaps outstanding not for my
Speaker 5: bowling but my batting, because I was taken off at
Speaker 5: eden Park after having taken two for nine, being deemed
Speaker 5: too expensive. But to my undying credit, I will say
Speaker 5: that when I came into batlen happened who was batting?
Speaker 5: I think in that particular innings the second innings of
Speaker 5: the England side, and I should point out that New
Speaker 5: Zealand were very close to England and their first innings total,
Speaker 5: and Len, who scored a half century, came up to
Speaker 5: me and said stick around and we'll beat them by
Speaker 5: then ings and we've got to lead of fifty seven.
Speaker 5: And that's the only time in my life with you.
Speaker 5: Deference to Jim Laker, I made a bloody Yorkshire Optimist.
Speaker 3: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney, on the front foot.
Speaker 2: Finally, guys Michael Goff and Joel Wilson have been dispatched
Speaker 2: from the ICC umpiring panel. Wilson I can understand. I've
Speaker 2: never rated his umpiring abilities, I've got to say, but
Speaker 2: Michael Goff I thought he was one of the bitter umpires.
Speaker 3: Joel Wilson causes lots of reviews and and from lots
Speaker 3: of sides. It may actually save time, who knows. Michael
Speaker 3: Goff I think is very highly regarded as a decision maker.
Speaker 3: And I mean he played cricket under nineteen captain for England.
Speaker 3: He played for Durham and averaged fifty. But he he
Speaker 3: didn't really enjoy playing the game, he said, but clearly
Speaker 3: like watching it. So he became quite a young umpire
Speaker 3: in his twenties. First test he umpired was twenty sixteen,
Speaker 3: Elite Panel twenty nineteen because I remember you and I
Speaker 3: was he was at the World Cup that ODI World
Speaker 3: Cup in the UK. But now he's been axed. It's
Speaker 3: quite surprising, isn't it that the ICC have these routine
Speaker 3: performance assessments. Jay Shah said. Being an elite official brings
Speaker 3: with it scrutiny and pressure. It's a bit of a
Speaker 3: surprise to me. The Indian side regarded Goth very highly.
Speaker 3: Because this was Ravi Shastury talking. He said, they do
Speaker 3: not even review decisions made by Goth for not out
Speaker 3: or out because they just they follow his decision making
Speaker 3: so closely.
Speaker 4: It seems a little bit arbitrary. I understand that about Gough,
Speaker 4: but the other guy, I wouldn't know. Can I just
Speaker 4: add some one other one in which came up was
Speaker 4: the passing of Peter Lever. Yeah, it's weak and of
Speaker 4: course we remember Peter Lever mostly because he was a
Speaker 4: pretty useful left quick but more of the point that
Speaker 4: he hit our being, our good friend Charlie Chatfield on
Speaker 4: the Nogan and it wasn't It wasn't a great moment
Speaker 4: and I shall never forget that. So I just one
Speaker 4: want to thank the the physio from England for saving
Speaker 4: Chat's life and also acknowledge a good, good cricket career,
Speaker 4: from what I understand, was a decent bloke Peter Lever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Peter Lever was the right armor moose. You're thinking
Speaker 3: of John Lever. You're thinking of John Lever the right Yes,
Speaker 3: that's right, and you're right about that and it certainly
Speaker 3: brings up the chats incident was an awful, awful moment
Speaker 3: and and thank haavens for Bernard Thomas, that little that
Speaker 3: little physio who came and fixed chats up out on
Speaker 3: the field and he was okay. Peter Lever was on
Speaker 3: his knees halfway down the pitch. He was absolutely bereft
Speaker 3: and distraught. Went to see him later that day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still shiver when I remember that incident because
Speaker 2: well it was literally a half stopping moment in terms
Speaker 2: of cricket. And you know Jerry you or and Moost
Speaker 2: you know, chats really well he was, he was a
Speaker 2: lucky man to come away from that. Ever he was.
Speaker 3: He was followed the tongue and you know, no helmets
Speaker 3: in those days, wads. The ball came off luckily kind
Speaker 3: of the gloves took most of the blow off the
Speaker 3: bat as he kind of had it up in front
Speaker 3: of his face, so it took a lot of the
Speaker 3: blow actually, and then into his mouth and he swallowed,
Speaker 3: as I say, his tongue and seeing all the English
Speaker 3: players just sitting, you know, and standing around not knowing
Speaker 3: what to do right round him, zambucks came on, didn't
Speaker 3: know what to do, went off and then luckily on
Speaker 3: rased Bernard Thomas to save him. So he has spent
Speaker 3: a night in the hospital. Peter Eva went to visit him,
Speaker 3: so it was all okay and then thankfully.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's interesting it just left in adlible mark.
Speaker 4: You know, I was a young kid in those days
Speaker 4: and it's still in my memory. I can see it
Speaker 4: now and yeah, so it's funny the passing of Peter
Speaker 4: Lever and and that and those memories come back. But oh,
Speaker 4: Peter live had a good life at eighty four and
Speaker 4: we still live Charlie with us, so that can only
Speaker 4: be a good thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. I had a chat with Peter Lever
Speaker 2: about it or sometime ago, and I think it may
Speaker 2: well have been on the front foot that he spoke
Speaker 2: to us, you know, and he was he was saddened
Speaker 2: by the issue, you know that he said, it's just
Speaker 2: one of those things that happened, and that you know,
Speaker 2: that was it. But it wasn't if he held any animosity.
Speaker 2: But the public of New Zealand certainly didn't like him
Speaker 2: for a period of time, did they because of that situation.
Speaker 4: It wasn't the first bounce of bold was it?
Speaker 2: John Snow was around at that period too, wasn't he? Yes, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: and everybody else. Anyway, it came out happily at the
Speaker 2: end and it said to farewell Peter lever Becau. He
Speaker 2: did make a great contribution to the game. Thanks guys.
Speaker 2: Once again, this time next week we'll be celebrating the
Speaker 2: Plunket Shield winners, our Walington Firebirds. Sorry, guys, I know
Speaker 2: this is a little bit parochial. They dipped out of contention.
Speaker 2: They're still there, but they've got to rely on Otago
Speaker 2: beating Northern Districts if they're to get there, and they've
Speaker 2: got to beat Canterbury. So good finale. I've got to
Speaker 2: say that the last couple of rounds of this Plunket
Speaker 2: Shield have been very interesting and entertaining and they've produced
Speaker 2: some good games. We mentioned it last week. Northern Districts
Speaker 2: got up and beat Wellington by twenty eyed at the
Speaker 2: Basin Reserve and Canterbury massacred Central in the game that
Speaker 2: they played. So hopefully we're celebrating. Not too sure what
Speaker 2: it's going to turn out, but thanks for your time.
Speaker 2: We've got the match between New Zealand and Pakistan. There's
Speaker 2: three odieides that we'll be talking about next week, and
Speaker 2: there's some of the other issues facing credators. Jerry, go
Speaker 2: and watch some cricket.
Speaker 3: Thank you mate, I will do cheers most lovely to
Speaker 3: hear what you've had to say.
Speaker 4: And and I'm going to do a really crazy, crazy
Speaker 4: thing tomorrow. I'm going down to the basin and watch
Speaker 4: watch a little bit of cricket plunket shield.
Speaker 3: So there you go, I'll see you.
Speaker 2: We'll have a drink. Good Okay, Mats, guys, cheers.
Speaker 3: Welcome a
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