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Letty 13 00:00:49,613 --> 00:00:52,373 Speaker 2: Happening in the World of Crickets a series when over 14 00:00:52,453 --> 00:00:55,253 Speaker 2: packet found for the Black Cat the White Ferns struggled 15 00:00:55,253 --> 00:00:58,693 Speaker 2: to make progress against the world's best our players at 16 00:00:58,813 --> 00:01:02,493 Speaker 2: odds with the inded c over contract rights issues. How 17 00:01:02,613 --> 00:01:05,973 Speaker 2: costly could it be? Seventy years this week since we 18 00:01:06,133 --> 00:01:10,173 Speaker 2: were dismissed for twenty six and I'm wanted record and 19 00:01:10,973 --> 00:01:14,973 Speaker 2: two umpires dispatched from the ICC umpire and penel one 20 00:01:15,093 --> 00:01:18,133 Speaker 2: probably didn't deserve it, Hi did Jeremy Coney And to 21 00:01:18,653 --> 00:01:22,773 Speaker 2: Peter Holland Peter Well nonto us was moose and he's 22 00:01:22,853 --> 00:01:26,693 Speaker 2: just returned from a holiday in Jordland. There were sighting 23 00:01:27,013 --> 00:01:28,133 Speaker 2: of moose down there. 24 00:01:31,013 --> 00:01:34,053 Speaker 4: Yes, that was loved. I do love it down there, 25 00:01:35,053 --> 00:01:38,413 Speaker 4: but up in the Kempany coast quite easily. 26 00:01:40,333 --> 00:01:42,013 Speaker 2: Every seen him down there, Jerry. 27 00:01:42,853 --> 00:01:45,933 Speaker 3: They're everywhere, aren't they. Moose Is everywhere mice moosey. 28 00:01:46,613 --> 00:01:51,133 Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, let's get on with it. Series win over Pakistan. 29 00:01:51,333 --> 00:01:52,853 Speaker 2: Were Pakistan good enough? Jerry? 30 00:01:54,493 --> 00:01:58,333 Speaker 3: I know they weren't. They were inexperienced side. They played 31 00:01:58,373 --> 00:02:02,493 Speaker 3: well in Auckland, didn't they? Pakistan the bet and I 32 00:02:02,653 --> 00:02:09,013 Speaker 3: felt the conditions and the shorter pitched bowling and bounce 33 00:02:09,053 --> 00:02:13,493 Speaker 3: from the taller bowlers O Rot Duffy's tears, they found 34 00:02:13,613 --> 00:02:19,533 Speaker 3: defending it pretty awkward and they therefore had to play aggressively. 35 00:02:20,053 --> 00:02:22,973 Speaker 3: And that means if you can't defend a ball, you're 36 00:02:23,053 --> 00:02:27,613 Speaker 3: unable to manipulate the ball around in between the big shots. 37 00:02:28,573 --> 00:02:31,653 Speaker 3: So you still need to do that. In twenty twenty crickets, 38 00:02:32,053 --> 00:02:35,213 Speaker 3: two fours and over is eight, but you need to 39 00:02:35,253 --> 00:02:37,973 Speaker 3: get the twos and the ones in between the big shots. 40 00:02:38,813 --> 00:02:42,733 Speaker 3: So yeah, I felt they couldn't do that, and so 41 00:02:43,213 --> 00:02:44,053 Speaker 3: they were defeated. 42 00:02:44,133 --> 00:02:49,493 Speaker 2: Really, most few were against the inclusion of guys like 43 00:02:49,773 --> 00:02:52,573 Speaker 2: Seifert and Finale and stuff, and I agree with you 44 00:02:52,653 --> 00:02:54,173 Speaker 2: on the point that you know, we should be looking 45 00:02:54,213 --> 00:02:57,133 Speaker 2: at players who are committing themselves to the New Zealand game. 46 00:02:57,213 --> 00:02:59,733 Speaker 2: But Seifert was probably the star of the show, wasn't he. 47 00:03:00,973 --> 00:03:06,613 Speaker 4: We're true, and Phil Allen's contributions were pretty good as well. 48 00:03:07,533 --> 00:03:12,013 Speaker 4: Given every chance, I don't think I I'm walking walking 49 00:03:12,053 --> 00:03:16,013 Speaker 4: away from my earlier comments, bearing in mind that the 50 00:03:16,373 --> 00:03:19,853 Speaker 4: team that Pakistan board, I still saw it as a 51 00:03:19,893 --> 00:03:22,813 Speaker 4: good opportunity. That said, I guess that I guess the 52 00:03:22,933 --> 00:03:26,453 Speaker 4: selectors are wanting to keep their options open, which is 53 00:03:26,493 --> 00:03:29,813 Speaker 4: a fair point with a World Cup, another World Cup 54 00:03:29,893 --> 00:03:35,013 Speaker 4: coming up, I think next year. So I'm I think, okay, fine, 55 00:03:35,213 --> 00:03:38,453 Speaker 4: we know they're there. They've shown some talent. Alan looked 56 00:03:38,453 --> 00:03:42,133 Speaker 4: a bit better. Sidered very good. I agree Anisian Nisian 57 00:03:42,333 --> 00:03:46,293 Speaker 4: was got a five wicket in the last one. It's hard. 58 00:03:46,333 --> 00:03:49,093 Speaker 4: It's hard to argue that said, I noticed it in 59 00:03:49,173 --> 00:03:51,813 Speaker 4: the one day squad. They brought in a few new players, 60 00:03:51,853 --> 00:03:54,613 Speaker 4: and now that that I do applaud and I'm pleased 61 00:03:54,653 --> 00:03:59,213 Speaker 4: about that. So so I guess they are broadening the 62 00:03:59,293 --> 00:04:02,453 Speaker 4: pool of of of of of players, and so for 63 00:04:02,573 --> 00:04:05,893 Speaker 4: that I have to dp my hat to to the 64 00:04:05,973 --> 00:04:08,213 Speaker 4: selectors and the coaches and the coaching team. 65 00:04:08,853 --> 00:04:11,173 Speaker 2: Jerry, We've missedter Duffy, haven't we. I mean he is 66 00:04:11,293 --> 00:04:14,373 Speaker 2: now becoming a first choice Pickersney for our one day 67 00:04:14,453 --> 00:04:15,893 Speaker 2: sides has to play. 68 00:04:15,973 --> 00:04:19,653 Speaker 3: I think Brian will be interesting, won't it. And I 69 00:04:19,773 --> 00:04:23,853 Speaker 3: don't know whether they can bully the Pakistan side that 70 00:04:23,973 --> 00:04:28,893 Speaker 3: they've selected, which is a much stronger Pakistan eleven I 71 00:04:28,973 --> 00:04:33,053 Speaker 3: think in the ode I's so that's going to be interesting. 72 00:04:33,093 --> 00:04:38,373 Speaker 3: But Duffy, yes, I agree with Moose. It's interesting, isn't it. 73 00:04:38,453 --> 00:04:42,493 Speaker 3: We're going to have some younger players, Kelly Mohammed a bass, 74 00:04:44,013 --> 00:04:47,293 Speaker 3: Addie Ashok the leg spinner. Then you've got Duffy, O'Rourke 75 00:04:47,413 --> 00:04:51,613 Speaker 3: Sears coming in. There's still quite young players. Nathan Smith 76 00:04:51,973 --> 00:04:55,533 Speaker 3: has been around, Rhys Murray, who I see is there 77 00:04:55,613 --> 00:04:59,293 Speaker 3: as well. So you know, it's a very different looking. 78 00:04:59,493 --> 00:05:03,893 Speaker 3: It's almost as if the two sides have swipped swipped around, 79 00:05:04,333 --> 00:05:08,013 Speaker 3: isn't it. Really they've swapped about and it's New Zealand 80 00:05:08,093 --> 00:05:09,653 Speaker 3: now have got the younger players. 81 00:05:10,173 --> 00:05:12,013 Speaker 4: That said, you know, I I do like the look 82 00:05:12,093 --> 00:05:15,773 Speaker 4: of it. And and at the risk of HARKing back 83 00:05:15,773 --> 00:05:18,573 Speaker 4: over something that we've already talked through. It's rather lamentable 84 00:05:18,653 --> 00:05:20,973 Speaker 4: that we couldn't see Duffy playing in that that that 85 00:05:21,173 --> 00:05:26,733 Speaker 4: Test series just gone. Yeah, breask quick shapes it away. 86 00:05:27,133 --> 00:05:30,893 Speaker 4: All the things that he he shan't be named, was 87 00:05:30,933 --> 00:05:35,333 Speaker 4: not particularly wasn't wasn't giving us. And every time Duffy's played, 88 00:05:35,533 --> 00:05:38,893 Speaker 4: he's got wickets and and looked really really good. And 89 00:05:38,973 --> 00:05:41,933 Speaker 4: I I just hope they actually stay with him because 90 00:05:41,973 --> 00:05:44,853 Speaker 4: he gives us something, doesn't he. But I am looking 91 00:05:44,893 --> 00:05:47,533 Speaker 4: forward to this one day series and seeing how these 92 00:05:47,813 --> 00:05:51,973 Speaker 4: younger players or new players coming on. Couldn't disappointed that 93 00:05:52,053 --> 00:05:54,253 Speaker 4: we couldn't see this guy, Josh Clarkson, but I think 94 00:05:54,293 --> 00:05:58,093 Speaker 4: he's come back from injury, the CD who got a 95 00:05:58,133 --> 00:06:03,293 Speaker 4: little chance last year. But there's again, I think that 96 00:06:03,373 --> 00:06:05,173 Speaker 4: there's a bit of talent running around New Zealand and 97 00:06:05,253 --> 00:06:07,293 Speaker 4: that's that's that's the bit done. Looking forward to. 98 00:06:08,693 --> 00:06:11,413 Speaker 2: We've got Risban coming back in for the Pakistan side, 99 00:06:11,453 --> 00:06:14,413 Speaker 2: Babba Azam Fahim immamal Haaks, so they're going to be 100 00:06:14,453 --> 00:06:20,413 Speaker 2: a stronger side than the tweety side. Yeah, and the women, well, 101 00:06:20,573 --> 00:06:24,413 Speaker 2: the White fans struggled to make some progress. I didn't 102 00:06:24,453 --> 00:06:27,853 Speaker 2: expect them to beat the Australians. The Australians are a 103 00:06:28,133 --> 00:06:31,253 Speaker 2: very good side. But apart from that last game when 104 00:06:31,333 --> 00:06:34,453 Speaker 2: Maddy Green and Millie Kurd nearly got New Zealand up 105 00:06:34,853 --> 00:06:38,613 Speaker 2: twitty off the last ten balls, we didn't see them 106 00:06:38,653 --> 00:06:41,013 Speaker 2: put in the same sort of performances that we saw 107 00:06:41,133 --> 00:06:45,573 Speaker 2: against Sri lank a different opposition. But we really needed 108 00:06:45,573 --> 00:06:46,893 Speaker 2: to see a continuation, didn't we. 109 00:06:47,533 --> 00:06:51,933 Speaker 3: Well, I mean New Zealand's I mean yes, they got 110 00:06:52,013 --> 00:06:55,013 Speaker 3: closer in the third match. You have mentioned that, and 111 00:06:55,133 --> 00:06:57,133 Speaker 3: that was through the batting, not through the fielding. The 112 00:06:57,173 --> 00:07:02,013 Speaker 3: fielding cost them the game obviously, but you know Australia 113 00:07:02,093 --> 00:07:07,493 Speaker 3: all round, they just remind you they're just all around athleticism, 114 00:07:07,613 --> 00:07:11,453 Speaker 3: the range of batsting skills, the bowling skills as well 115 00:07:11,533 --> 00:07:15,933 Speaker 3: and certainly fielding. You just simply have got to acknowledge 116 00:07:16,013 --> 00:07:20,693 Speaker 3: our superior side. And you know, for New Zealand to win, 117 00:07:22,133 --> 00:07:26,413 Speaker 3: they have to play out of their skin and Australia 118 00:07:26,493 --> 00:07:29,813 Speaker 3: have to play poorly for them to get a victory. 119 00:07:29,853 --> 00:07:33,093 Speaker 3: They as I say in game three, yet they encouraging 120 00:07:33,613 --> 00:07:36,933 Speaker 3: and a bit of optimism there, but you know, just 121 00:07:37,213 --> 00:07:40,133 Speaker 3: too much power with the bat. They when they play 122 00:07:40,173 --> 00:07:45,773 Speaker 3: their cricket shots. They are really extensions of orthodox cricket, 123 00:07:46,573 --> 00:07:49,693 Speaker 3: you know, and driving in the air and so on, 124 00:07:50,533 --> 00:07:56,373 Speaker 3: more power, more speed between the wickets, leg spinners that 125 00:07:56,573 --> 00:07:59,653 Speaker 3: actually get the ball to drift before it takes turn. 126 00:08:00,213 --> 00:08:03,653 Speaker 3: So just an all round we you know, we're going 127 00:08:03,693 --> 00:08:06,933 Speaker 3: to have to roll our sleeves up and if we 128 00:08:07,093 --> 00:08:11,613 Speaker 3: want to legitimately challenge that Australian side. So a glimpse 129 00:08:11,653 --> 00:08:14,893 Speaker 3: of what was possible in Game three, but a lot 130 00:08:14,973 --> 00:08:15,893 Speaker 3: of work to be done. 131 00:08:16,653 --> 00:08:19,813 Speaker 4: If you were picking an Australian side and you had 132 00:08:19,853 --> 00:08:25,013 Speaker 4: a choice of New Zealanders, I posit to you, gentlemen, 133 00:08:25,173 --> 00:08:27,933 Speaker 4: that there would only be one player that from Musical 134 00:08:28,453 --> 00:08:32,253 Speaker 4: that would get in and that's merely Curve. And I 135 00:08:32,333 --> 00:08:35,493 Speaker 4: think I think if we're agreed on that, then what 136 00:08:35,573 --> 00:08:39,293 Speaker 4: does that say. It just says Australia are light and 137 00:08:39,413 --> 00:08:45,533 Speaker 4: day just just better. And that includes the previous team 138 00:08:45,613 --> 00:08:47,413 Speaker 4: that we would have thought would have would have taken 139 00:08:47,413 --> 00:08:49,813 Speaker 4: them close, but they got absolutely belted in the Ashes 140 00:08:49,893 --> 00:08:53,333 Speaker 4: series being England. So I think we yeah, you're right, Jerry. 141 00:08:53,493 --> 00:08:56,653 Speaker 4: The athleticism, the you know, they've got some they've got 142 00:08:56,693 --> 00:08:58,973 Speaker 4: some people who can who can bowl well, you know, 143 00:08:59,333 --> 00:09:04,173 Speaker 4: pretty brisk stuff spinners that is, you know, it's great 144 00:09:04,213 --> 00:09:07,573 Speaker 4: to watch them because they are very very good, the. 145 00:09:07,773 --> 00:09:10,613 Speaker 3: Very good name move before the ball is bowled, sometimes 146 00:09:10,773 --> 00:09:15,093 Speaker 3: slide across to access vacant areas in the field so 147 00:09:15,293 --> 00:09:17,693 Speaker 3: that you can pitch outside off and you get swept, 148 00:09:18,453 --> 00:09:21,533 Speaker 3: you know, and they are playing the game at a 149 00:09:21,573 --> 00:09:22,173 Speaker 3: different level. 150 00:09:23,533 --> 00:09:25,973 Speaker 4: I just think there's no doubt that said, it's been 151 00:09:26,013 --> 00:09:29,333 Speaker 4: great to actually have get them coming out out here 152 00:09:29,493 --> 00:09:35,693 Speaker 4: and having our ask being able to see them because 153 00:09:35,693 --> 00:09:37,293 Speaker 4: we don't. Otherwise we wouldn't really get to see them 154 00:09:37,413 --> 00:09:40,653 Speaker 4: very much. And they're the best in the world and 155 00:09:40,733 --> 00:09:43,413 Speaker 4: it's wonderful that we actually get them sins the level, 156 00:09:43,533 --> 00:09:46,733 Speaker 4: doesn't it where our our our crickets have got to 157 00:09:46,773 --> 00:09:47,013 Speaker 4: get to. 158 00:09:47,373 --> 00:09:49,653 Speaker 2: That can only be good most definitely. 159 00:09:49,813 --> 00:09:53,613 Speaker 3: On the front foot. And here he goes the bouncer. 160 00:09:54,613 --> 00:09:58,493 Speaker 2: One of our regular listeners is bowling a bouncer for 161 00:09:58,653 --> 00:10:01,493 Speaker 2: me this week. Trent says, what on earth is going 162 00:10:01,573 --> 00:10:04,093 Speaker 2: on with the scoreboard at Wellington Stadium. It's bad enough 163 00:10:04,173 --> 00:10:07,573 Speaker 2: that we have to endure cricket in a characterlesst tupper 164 00:10:07,653 --> 00:10:11,013 Speaker 2: where can of a stadium instead of lounging on the 165 00:10:11,133 --> 00:10:14,733 Speaker 2: luxurious grasp banks at the basin. However, the powers that 166 00:10:14,853 --> 00:10:18,213 Speaker 2: be insist on filling up the scoreboard with ads, making 167 00:10:18,293 --> 00:10:21,933 Speaker 2: the actual cricket information so small that the Hubble Space 168 00:10:22,013 --> 00:10:25,853 Speaker 2: telescope would struggle to resolve it. Do we really need 169 00:10:25,933 --> 00:10:28,413 Speaker 2: an ad that takes up three quarters of the screen 170 00:10:28,573 --> 00:10:31,493 Speaker 2: every time someone scores? Do we really need a quarter 171 00:10:31,573 --> 00:10:34,373 Speaker 2: of the screen permanently taken up with the names of 172 00:10:34,453 --> 00:10:37,493 Speaker 2: the countries playing as if we had no idea who 173 00:10:37,573 --> 00:10:40,173 Speaker 2: had just mortgaged the house to buy tickets to see 174 00:10:40,573 --> 00:10:43,813 Speaker 2: next time? I'll bring my flat screen TV along and 175 00:10:44,213 --> 00:10:46,573 Speaker 2: make my own scoreboard. And a man with a failing 176 00:10:46,653 --> 00:10:50,453 Speaker 2: ice like myself cannot disagree with your trent. Thank you 177 00:10:50,693 --> 00:10:53,253 Speaker 2: very much for your coming. I'm sure you guys probably 178 00:10:53,373 --> 00:10:54,173 Speaker 2: understand as well. 179 00:10:55,013 --> 00:10:56,453 Speaker 3: Where with your trent totally. 180 00:10:57,773 --> 00:11:00,573 Speaker 4: The only reason why they probably need the ads on 181 00:11:00,653 --> 00:11:02,573 Speaker 4: the screen is because they don't have the people in 182 00:11:02,613 --> 00:11:05,813 Speaker 4: the stadium, because it's not a place that many people 183 00:11:05,853 --> 00:11:07,933 Speaker 4: really want to go to in that late in the 184 00:11:08,013 --> 00:11:11,293 Speaker 4: your on the evenings, which are rather brisk and frankly 185 00:11:11,973 --> 00:11:16,253 Speaker 4: just not in attractive offering. Give me the base anytime, please. 186 00:11:16,733 --> 00:11:21,253 Speaker 2: Yes, most definitely. Four and a half thousand could have 187 00:11:21,293 --> 00:11:23,853 Speaker 2: played at the base reserve as well. One of the 188 00:11:23,933 --> 00:11:27,773 Speaker 2: issues that's been well bubbling away in the background and 189 00:11:27,893 --> 00:11:30,613 Speaker 2: hasn't been made public from recent times is a dispute 190 00:11:31,013 --> 00:11:34,693 Speaker 2: between the cricket players both men and women, their Association 191 00:11:35,013 --> 00:11:39,533 Speaker 2: and New Zealand Cricket over players names, images, likenesses, rights, 192 00:11:39,693 --> 00:11:44,373 Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. Heath Mills, the Cricket Players Association, 193 00:11:44,533 --> 00:11:48,173 Speaker 2: said it's been made clear to them that they've received 194 00:11:48,213 --> 00:11:51,413 Speaker 2: a number of legal letters towards the end of last 195 00:11:51,533 --> 00:11:56,213 Speaker 2: year and also their affiliates, the World Crickets Association. New 196 00:11:56,293 --> 00:12:00,013 Speaker 2: Zealand Cricket Chief Executive Scott Weening says he can confirm 197 00:12:00,093 --> 00:12:04,133 Speaker 2: that discussions between the two parties on this matter are ongoing. 198 00:12:04,453 --> 00:12:07,813 Speaker 2: But it's incorrect to say New Zealand has taken legal action. 199 00:12:07,933 --> 00:12:12,493 Speaker 2: But once you get lawyers involved, there is legal action. 200 00:12:12,653 --> 00:12:15,773 Speaker 2: What are you like The issue, guys, is not so 201 00:12:15,933 --> 00:12:18,533 Speaker 2: much the rights. I mean, when you were playing, there's 202 00:12:18,573 --> 00:12:21,213 Speaker 2: probably no thought of worrying about players image and rights. 203 00:12:21,253 --> 00:12:23,213 Speaker 2: It was getting paid to play the game, wasn't it. 204 00:12:23,773 --> 00:12:27,613 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. It's a bit sad, isn't it to see 205 00:12:27,613 --> 00:12:31,013 Speaker 3: the two central pillars of the game in New Zealand 206 00:12:31,053 --> 00:12:34,853 Speaker 3: the administration on one hand, and the enz CPA they're 207 00:12:34,893 --> 00:12:37,533 Speaker 3: sort of the players union if you like, on the 208 00:12:37,653 --> 00:12:44,973 Speaker 3: other at Loggerheads. They've worked relatively closely since the time 209 00:12:45,093 --> 00:12:48,053 Speaker 3: before when they had the strike of course the two parties, 210 00:12:48,413 --> 00:12:51,453 Speaker 3: which was really quite nasty two thousand and two. That was, 211 00:12:52,253 --> 00:12:55,493 Speaker 3: But more concerning for me is that they've been unable 212 00:12:55,573 --> 00:12:58,853 Speaker 3: to find a solution. They've been unable to get to 213 00:12:58,933 --> 00:13:02,533 Speaker 3: a point where they can agree. So that means, as 214 00:13:02,653 --> 00:13:06,933 Speaker 3: you've said, we get other people to make those decisions 215 00:13:07,813 --> 00:13:10,453 Speaker 3: and their old lawyers and men in suits who have 216 00:13:10,533 --> 00:13:13,733 Speaker 3: got large pockets. So that's not good for our game. 217 00:13:13,813 --> 00:13:17,373 Speaker 3: I don't think you know. There's this You're right, this 218 00:13:17,693 --> 00:13:23,773 Speaker 3: nil names images and likeness digital images of players. There's 219 00:13:23,773 --> 00:13:26,893 Speaker 3: an Indian company that have got an app. It's called 220 00:13:26,933 --> 00:13:31,453 Speaker 3: I think World Cricket twenty. Look, my understanding with this, 221 00:13:31,613 --> 00:13:33,853 Speaker 3: WADS is that New Zealand Cricket have made a deal 222 00:13:35,573 --> 00:13:37,493 Speaker 3: with the sort of the Dream of leven Or is 223 00:13:37,533 --> 00:13:39,253 Speaker 3: that what you were calling it when you spoke to me, 224 00:13:39,893 --> 00:13:45,733 Speaker 3: The Indian fantasy Yeah, the fantasy sport platform, and they 225 00:13:45,773 --> 00:13:50,933 Speaker 3: were giving New Zealand Cricket. We're giving exclusive rights if 226 00:13:50,973 --> 00:13:54,493 Speaker 3: you like, to them and being able to use them, 227 00:13:55,733 --> 00:13:57,853 Speaker 3: and New Zealand were plaid in New Zealand Cricket. That's 228 00:13:57,893 --> 00:14:00,813 Speaker 3: the administrators were paid money for that, and they were 229 00:14:00,933 --> 00:14:04,573 Speaker 3: dividing that money up fifty percent to the council and 230 00:14:04,773 --> 00:14:07,213 Speaker 3: fifty percent to the players. Is that right? 231 00:14:08,573 --> 00:14:10,813 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's quite substantial, as I understand. 232 00:14:11,493 --> 00:14:15,213 Speaker 3: Right, Okay, so that's fine. Where Heath Mills comes into it, 233 00:14:16,133 --> 00:14:20,173 Speaker 3: of course, working with their players union. He says that 234 00:14:20,333 --> 00:14:23,493 Speaker 3: you know players that they've been claudial so far, but 235 00:14:23,653 --> 00:14:28,173 Speaker 3: no longer. This is a different end z C, different administration, 236 00:14:28,973 --> 00:14:32,813 Speaker 3: and so he is saying, and it's quite I mean, 237 00:14:32,893 --> 00:14:36,213 Speaker 3: I can understand what he's saying. He's saying, Yes, if 238 00:14:36,333 --> 00:14:40,813 Speaker 3: New Zealand players are wearing logos on their clothes and 239 00:14:41,053 --> 00:14:44,733 Speaker 3: marks on their clothes that say they're from New Zealand Cricket, yeah, 240 00:14:45,453 --> 00:14:49,413 Speaker 3: that's yours New Zealand Cricket. But when they're not, when 241 00:14:49,493 --> 00:14:53,293 Speaker 3: they're not, then it's the players. I think that's where 242 00:14:53,333 --> 00:14:55,133 Speaker 3: the difference is. Is that would that be fair? 243 00:14:57,013 --> 00:14:59,693 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the point of discussion. I suppose the 244 00:14:59,773 --> 00:15:02,013 Speaker 2: lawyers have to sort that out. She'd never have had 245 00:15:02,053 --> 00:15:04,373 Speaker 2: to face jesuses to do. I mean, you would have 246 00:15:04,413 --> 00:15:07,213 Speaker 2: had a lot of contracts because you played around a 247 00:15:07,253 --> 00:15:09,293 Speaker 2: fair number of leagues during your career, didn't you. 248 00:15:10,213 --> 00:15:14,613 Speaker 4: Yeah, we had contracts. But I'm not unused to disputes 249 00:15:14,693 --> 00:15:18,173 Speaker 4: and contracts in my in my in my other life, 250 00:15:18,773 --> 00:15:21,293 Speaker 4: so I'm sort of somewhat familiar with this sort of 251 00:15:21,333 --> 00:15:24,573 Speaker 4: thing here. What I'm seeing here is is a transaction 252 00:15:24,733 --> 00:15:28,333 Speaker 4: done with with an organization who's paid good money. Now, 253 00:15:28,933 --> 00:15:31,493 Speaker 4: the point that we're running into and why lawyers are involved, 254 00:15:31,613 --> 00:15:35,293 Speaker 4: is a question of definition. Was it was it expressly 255 00:15:35,773 --> 00:15:39,893 Speaker 4: dealt with that the images? Were these images with nz 256 00:15:40,133 --> 00:15:43,413 Speaker 4: SEE logos or otherways or is it all images? And 257 00:15:43,493 --> 00:15:45,413 Speaker 4: that's where that's where this is where the number of 258 00:15:45,453 --> 00:15:48,693 Speaker 4: it all is. Because if I'm if I'm of the 259 00:15:48,773 --> 00:15:51,413 Speaker 4: party that's entered into this arrangement with nz C, and 260 00:15:51,573 --> 00:15:54,973 Speaker 4: I've paid good money, which is called consideration, and the 261 00:15:55,053 --> 00:15:59,373 Speaker 4: players have accepted that money, it becomes rather rather difficult 262 00:15:59,573 --> 00:16:01,973 Speaker 4: to accept the money on one hand and then argue 263 00:16:02,013 --> 00:16:05,773 Speaker 4: on the other. So I can see where lawyers are 264 00:16:06,213 --> 00:16:09,813 Speaker 4: mulling over said documents and saying, well, what did we 265 00:16:09,933 --> 00:16:14,693 Speaker 4: mean and what was intended? So it's messy, and I 266 00:16:14,813 --> 00:16:18,093 Speaker 4: am not surprised because players rights and images and things 267 00:16:18,493 --> 00:16:22,453 Speaker 4: are valuable now and I can understand why, Okay Williamson 268 00:16:24,013 --> 00:16:27,293 Speaker 4: or whoever else Mitchell Satner would want to preserve that 269 00:16:27,453 --> 00:16:34,133 Speaker 4: because that is their ip, if you will. It's difficult 270 00:16:34,213 --> 00:16:36,573 Speaker 4: and messy, but the players and sorts of fat taking 271 00:16:36,653 --> 00:16:41,253 Speaker 4: good money, then it becomes I think it becomes rather 272 00:16:41,333 --> 00:16:43,093 Speaker 4: interesting and I think this is going to be drawn out. 273 00:16:43,493 --> 00:16:45,933 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been happening in rugby as well, of course. 274 00:16:45,933 --> 00:16:48,533 Speaker 2: I mean Richie mccaugh had an issue I think while 275 00:16:48,573 --> 00:16:51,053 Speaker 2: he was playing, and you know those contract issues do 276 00:16:51,173 --> 00:16:53,053 Speaker 2: take a bit of time. But what it does do 277 00:16:53,533 --> 00:16:56,373 Speaker 2: is it puts a negative spotlight on the game, doesn't it. 278 00:16:56,653 --> 00:16:59,893 Speaker 2: It costs the game, It costs the players, and we 279 00:17:00,013 --> 00:17:03,213 Speaker 2: don't want that happening, you know it. You know they've 280 00:17:03,253 --> 00:17:06,693 Speaker 2: had twenty years, as Heath Mill says, of good understanding. 281 00:17:06,933 --> 00:17:08,893 Speaker 2: We want to keep that, don't we, and the good 282 00:17:08,973 --> 00:17:10,413 Speaker 2: faith between the two parties. 283 00:17:11,013 --> 00:17:13,293 Speaker 4: Did the players know what they were entering into when 284 00:17:13,333 --> 00:17:13,973 Speaker 4: they accept the debt? 285 00:17:13,973 --> 00:17:17,293 Speaker 2: Well, that's the question. Yeah, I guess that's the question. 286 00:17:17,813 --> 00:17:18,413 Speaker 2: We don't know that. 287 00:17:18,533 --> 00:17:21,413 Speaker 4: My expectation is I suspect they really didn't and they 288 00:17:21,973 --> 00:17:23,813 Speaker 4: and they were they were going, oh yeah that's fine, yeah, 289 00:17:23,853 --> 00:17:25,333 Speaker 4: yeah yeah, the bank accounts here, yeah. 290 00:17:26,173 --> 00:17:26,813 Speaker 2: Will take the money. 291 00:17:26,893 --> 00:17:28,493 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah. 292 00:17:29,653 --> 00:17:32,613 Speaker 4: Cricket is quite keen on put pocketing the cash. It's 293 00:17:32,613 --> 00:17:35,773 Speaker 4: always been my experience and so let's not look at 294 00:17:35,813 --> 00:17:38,733 Speaker 4: the detail. That's where I think we have have the problem. 295 00:17:39,293 --> 00:17:40,933 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have to watch that one with a great 296 00:17:40,973 --> 00:17:43,933 Speaker 2: deal of interest because they're due to go to mediation. 297 00:17:44,053 --> 00:17:46,333 Speaker 2: Whether that happens, I'm not too sure. We don't hear 298 00:17:46,413 --> 00:17:49,173 Speaker 2: too much out of New Zealand Cricket or the Players Association. 299 00:17:49,293 --> 00:17:51,173 Speaker 2: That's a matter of you know, a little league here 300 00:17:51,213 --> 00:17:55,453 Speaker 2: and a little leak there from one player to just 301 00:17:55,653 --> 00:17:57,533 Speaker 2: to talk to you. But they don't want to have 302 00:17:57,653 --> 00:18:02,053 Speaker 2: their name published and good on. That's fair enough enough. Yeah, 303 00:18:02,133 --> 00:18:04,053 Speaker 2: there's there's a couple of other issues and I think 304 00:18:04,373 --> 00:18:07,373 Speaker 2: it's something we need to look into. The World Cricketers Association, 305 00:18:07,493 --> 00:18:11,573 Speaker 2: of which he Mills is a director, has published a 306 00:18:11,613 --> 00:18:14,373 Speaker 2: six month review into the sports structure at the elite 307 00:18:14,493 --> 00:18:17,253 Speaker 2: level and says the current situation is putting the future 308 00:18:17,253 --> 00:18:20,013 Speaker 2: of the international game at risk. Amid the rise of 309 00:18:20,133 --> 00:18:24,133 Speaker 2: T twenty leagues. They want to make a radical change. 310 00:18:25,413 --> 00:18:27,293 Speaker 2: They didn't need a big report, Jerry, did they to 311 00:18:27,373 --> 00:18:29,533 Speaker 2: tell us that there needs to be a radical change 312 00:18:29,573 --> 00:18:31,813 Speaker 2: in terms of how the program has developed. 313 00:18:32,813 --> 00:18:36,213 Speaker 3: No, mate, the game is clearly at a tipping point 314 00:18:36,973 --> 00:18:40,653 Speaker 3: where it's very hard to organize things. There are so many, 315 00:18:41,853 --> 00:18:46,173 Speaker 3: so many World Cups nowadays. You know, everybody wants to 316 00:18:46,253 --> 00:18:50,413 Speaker 3: make some money through the broadcasters, don't they. So there's 317 00:18:50,493 --> 00:18:52,853 Speaker 3: just more and more being fitted in all the time. 318 00:18:53,373 --> 00:18:55,173 Speaker 3: What these guys are trying to do, it seems to me, 319 00:18:55,293 --> 00:18:58,813 Speaker 3: is just reorganized things slightly into different areas so that 320 00:18:58,933 --> 00:19:01,853 Speaker 3: we've got certain periods of the year that are devoted 321 00:19:01,973 --> 00:19:06,933 Speaker 3: to different aspects, different formats of the game, and try 322 00:19:07,053 --> 00:19:10,333 Speaker 3: to get it a little more organization to the whole year, 323 00:19:10,973 --> 00:19:14,933 Speaker 3: which seems sensible. It's not a big idea, it's not 324 00:19:15,053 --> 00:19:19,493 Speaker 3: a new idea. So let's if they are able to 325 00:19:19,573 --> 00:19:24,093 Speaker 3: get you know, things moving in that direction. Yeah, let's 326 00:19:24,173 --> 00:19:29,533 Speaker 3: do that. So I mean, is it saying more than that, Brian? 327 00:19:30,333 --> 00:19:30,693 Speaker 3: Not a lot. 328 00:19:30,733 --> 00:19:33,093 Speaker 2: At the moment. They want to reduce the sort of 329 00:19:33,333 --> 00:19:37,013 Speaker 2: financial rewards and revenues for the BCCI, and I. 330 00:19:37,013 --> 00:19:42,013 Speaker 4: Don't see that happening, No, probably not. I did see 331 00:19:42,373 --> 00:19:46,173 Speaker 4: the report. It was distributed actually by the Plans Association 332 00:19:46,293 --> 00:19:48,613 Speaker 4: that came through on the email. It's it's a lazy 333 00:19:48,693 --> 00:19:52,253 Speaker 4: forty four odd pages which I started about page one 334 00:19:52,333 --> 00:19:55,613 Speaker 4: and the I started glazing over and I thought themselves, 335 00:19:55,773 --> 00:19:58,053 Speaker 4: I don't need another one of these reports. I think 336 00:19:58,093 --> 00:20:02,573 Speaker 4: the intent is good, because if we do nothing and 337 00:20:03,373 --> 00:20:06,533 Speaker 4: the issues are not raised, then I think it becomes 338 00:20:06,533 --> 00:20:09,733 Speaker 4: a little bit shambolic, as as yet another T twenty 339 00:20:09,773 --> 00:20:13,453 Speaker 4: competition pops in and eats up some time. So I 340 00:20:13,533 --> 00:20:17,133 Speaker 4: think it's good to address the issue. But will it 341 00:20:17,253 --> 00:20:19,733 Speaker 4: become just another report that just ends up gathering dust 342 00:20:21,173 --> 00:20:24,013 Speaker 4: and the BCI will do what the BCI wishes. 343 00:20:25,093 --> 00:20:27,493 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well it's another one. We'll have to follow 344 00:20:27,573 --> 00:20:30,493 Speaker 2: with a lot of interest to see where that heads. Well, 345 00:20:30,533 --> 00:20:33,733 Speaker 2: because you know, the program is getting plogged and something 346 00:20:33,853 --> 00:20:37,213 Speaker 2: needs to be done, quite clearly, a couple of issues. 347 00:20:37,493 --> 00:20:41,653 Speaker 2: Seventy years since we were out for twenty six, guys, 348 00:20:41,733 --> 00:20:43,973 Speaker 2: none of us will remember it. I remember it vaguely 349 00:20:44,013 --> 00:20:47,533 Speaker 2: as a little wee boy and my dad being a 350 00:20:47,573 --> 00:20:49,733 Speaker 2: little bit disturbed by the fact that we're all out 351 00:20:49,773 --> 00:20:52,333 Speaker 2: for twenty six. But it's something we haven't got rid 352 00:20:52,373 --> 00:20:54,293 Speaker 2: of it. We've come close a couple of times, Jerry, 353 00:20:54,333 --> 00:20:56,973 Speaker 2: an't we we have we have. 354 00:20:57,853 --> 00:21:01,453 Speaker 3: There's always a little spark, isn't there when some side 355 00:21:02,053 --> 00:21:05,613 Speaker 3: is eight for twenty four or something like that, we 356 00:21:06,373 --> 00:21:08,773 Speaker 3: might be replaced and not put it the top of 357 00:21:08,853 --> 00:21:10,493 Speaker 3: that list that we don't want to be part of. 358 00:21:11,173 --> 00:21:12,893 Speaker 3: It was a funny old game, though, wasn't it. New 359 00:21:12,973 --> 00:21:17,253 Speaker 3: Zealand battered. I think got two hundred and and then 360 00:21:17,373 --> 00:21:20,093 Speaker 3: the the English got to forty six, so they weren't 361 00:21:20,133 --> 00:21:26,413 Speaker 3: that far ahead, but forty six was enough and we 362 00:21:26,573 --> 00:21:29,853 Speaker 3: were bowld out for twenty six. I remember Bert Sutcliffe 363 00:21:29,853 --> 00:21:31,413 Speaker 3: saying he I think he was the only one who 364 00:21:31,453 --> 00:21:34,013 Speaker 3: got double figures, not sure, but he said he was. 365 00:21:34,333 --> 00:21:36,773 Speaker 3: He was opening. He got out and went and had 366 00:21:36,773 --> 00:21:39,933 Speaker 3: a shower and changed. By the time he came in 367 00:21:40,013 --> 00:21:42,453 Speaker 3: and dried himself, everybody was out and they were all 368 00:21:42,533 --> 00:21:47,773 Speaker 3: sitting in the changing room. So yeah, Bob, Bob epple Yard, 369 00:21:47,893 --> 00:21:51,213 Speaker 3: poor joker. He got what four for four for about 370 00:21:51,293 --> 00:21:54,413 Speaker 3: seven and was on on a hat trick a couple 371 00:21:54,453 --> 00:21:57,853 Speaker 3: of times I think, and wasn't able to h to 372 00:21:58,013 --> 00:22:02,493 Speaker 3: complete it. But anyway, yeah, that was that was not 373 00:22:02,613 --> 00:22:04,493 Speaker 3: a day. We want to recall from Auckland. 374 00:22:05,053 --> 00:22:07,813 Speaker 2: Well, perhaps we can have one further recollection. A number 375 00:22:07,853 --> 00:22:10,493 Speaker 2: of years ago the late Frank Tyson came to New 376 00:22:10,573 --> 00:22:14,293 Speaker 2: Zealand and spoke at Eden Park in Auckland, and he 377 00:22:14,573 --> 00:22:20,173 Speaker 2: had recollections of that game and one incident within it. 378 00:22:20,293 --> 00:22:24,853 Speaker 5: From his viewpoint, twenty four fifty five would perhaps a 379 00:22:25,013 --> 00:22:29,173 Speaker 5: better time for me, in so far as it was 380 00:22:29,253 --> 00:22:32,733 Speaker 5: the occasion when I was perhaps outstanding not for my 381 00:22:32,933 --> 00:22:38,413 Speaker 5: bowling but my batting, because I was taken off at 382 00:22:38,573 --> 00:22:43,373 Speaker 5: eden Park after having taken two for nine, being deemed 383 00:22:43,413 --> 00:22:58,653 Speaker 5: too expensive. But to my undying credit, I will say 384 00:22:59,093 --> 00:23:01,493 Speaker 5: that when I came into batlen happened who was batting? 385 00:23:01,533 --> 00:23:04,493 Speaker 5: I think in that particular innings the second innings of 386 00:23:04,573 --> 00:23:07,493 Speaker 5: the England side, and I should point out that New 387 00:23:07,573 --> 00:23:10,093 Speaker 5: Zealand were very close to England and their first innings total, 388 00:23:11,333 --> 00:23:13,813 Speaker 5: and Len, who scored a half century, came up to 389 00:23:13,893 --> 00:23:17,373 Speaker 5: me and said stick around and we'll beat them by 390 00:23:17,533 --> 00:23:20,933 Speaker 5: then ings and we've got to lead of fifty seven. 391 00:23:23,533 --> 00:23:26,933 Speaker 5: And that's the only time in my life with you. 392 00:23:27,093 --> 00:23:31,053 Speaker 5: Deference to Jim Laker, I made a bloody Yorkshire Optimist. 393 00:23:42,973 --> 00:23:46,653 Speaker 3: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney, on the front foot. 394 00:23:46,973 --> 00:23:49,813 Speaker 2: Finally, guys Michael Goff and Joel Wilson have been dispatched 395 00:23:49,853 --> 00:23:56,173 Speaker 2: from the ICC umpiring panel. Wilson I can understand. I've 396 00:23:56,213 --> 00:23:59,533 Speaker 2: never rated his umpiring abilities, I've got to say, but 397 00:23:59,693 --> 00:24:02,093 Speaker 2: Michael Goff I thought he was one of the bitter umpires. 398 00:24:04,293 --> 00:24:09,253 Speaker 3: Joel Wilson causes lots of reviews and and from lots 399 00:24:09,293 --> 00:24:16,413 Speaker 3: of sides. It may actually save time, who knows. Michael 400 00:24:16,493 --> 00:24:19,733 Speaker 3: Goff I think is very highly regarded as a decision maker. 401 00:24:21,773 --> 00:24:26,133 Speaker 3: And I mean he played cricket under nineteen captain for England. 402 00:24:26,813 --> 00:24:30,493 Speaker 3: He played for Durham and averaged fifty. But he he 403 00:24:30,613 --> 00:24:34,373 Speaker 3: didn't really enjoy playing the game, he said, but clearly 404 00:24:34,493 --> 00:24:39,653 Speaker 3: like watching it. So he became quite a young umpire 405 00:24:39,693 --> 00:24:43,933 Speaker 3: in his twenties. First test he umpired was twenty sixteen, 406 00:24:44,093 --> 00:24:47,613 Speaker 3: Elite Panel twenty nineteen because I remember you and I 407 00:24:47,973 --> 00:24:50,773 Speaker 3: was he was at the World Cup that ODI World 408 00:24:50,813 --> 00:24:55,693 Speaker 3: Cup in the UK. But now he's been axed. It's 409 00:24:55,773 --> 00:24:58,813 Speaker 3: quite surprising, isn't it that the ICC have these routine 410 00:24:59,213 --> 00:25:05,853 Speaker 3: performance assessments. Jay Shah said. Being an elite official brings 411 00:25:05,933 --> 00:25:10,453 Speaker 3: with it scrutiny and pressure. It's a bit of a 412 00:25:10,533 --> 00:25:16,773 Speaker 3: surprise to me. The Indian side regarded Goth very highly. 413 00:25:17,933 --> 00:25:20,493 Speaker 3: Because this was Ravi Shastury talking. He said, they do 414 00:25:20,693 --> 00:25:26,613 Speaker 3: not even review decisions made by Goth for not out 415 00:25:26,773 --> 00:25:29,733 Speaker 3: or out because they just they follow his decision making 416 00:25:29,813 --> 00:25:30,413 Speaker 3: so closely. 417 00:25:31,293 --> 00:25:34,653 Speaker 4: It seems a little bit arbitrary. I understand that about Gough, 418 00:25:34,773 --> 00:25:37,573 Speaker 4: but the other guy, I wouldn't know. Can I just 419 00:25:37,653 --> 00:25:40,293 Speaker 4: add some one other one in which came up was 420 00:25:40,333 --> 00:25:44,453 Speaker 4: the passing of Peter Lever. Yeah, it's weak and of 421 00:25:44,573 --> 00:25:48,133 Speaker 4: course we remember Peter Lever mostly because he was a 422 00:25:48,213 --> 00:25:51,213 Speaker 4: pretty useful left quick but more of the point that 423 00:25:51,293 --> 00:25:55,653 Speaker 4: he hit our being, our good friend Charlie Chatfield on 424 00:25:55,693 --> 00:26:00,013 Speaker 4: the Nogan and it wasn't It wasn't a great moment 425 00:26:00,093 --> 00:26:05,533 Speaker 4: and I shall never forget that. So I just one 426 00:26:05,813 --> 00:26:10,093 Speaker 4: want to thank the the physio from England for saving 427 00:26:10,173 --> 00:26:15,693 Speaker 4: Chat's life and also acknowledge a good, good cricket career, 428 00:26:15,773 --> 00:26:18,533 Speaker 4: from what I understand, was a decent bloke Peter Lever. 429 00:26:18,933 --> 00:26:21,733 Speaker 3: Yeah, Peter Lever was the right armor moose. You're thinking 430 00:26:21,773 --> 00:26:25,813 Speaker 3: of John Lever. You're thinking of John Lever the right Yes, 431 00:26:27,373 --> 00:26:30,133 Speaker 3: that's right, and you're right about that and it certainly 432 00:26:30,373 --> 00:26:33,573 Speaker 3: brings up the chats incident was an awful, awful moment 433 00:26:34,053 --> 00:26:37,213 Speaker 3: and and thank haavens for Bernard Thomas, that little that 434 00:26:37,333 --> 00:26:40,213 Speaker 3: little physio who came and fixed chats up out on 435 00:26:40,293 --> 00:26:42,493 Speaker 3: the field and he was okay. Peter Lever was on 436 00:26:42,573 --> 00:26:48,373 Speaker 3: his knees halfway down the pitch. He was absolutely bereft 437 00:26:48,693 --> 00:26:51,173 Speaker 3: and distraught. Went to see him later that day. 438 00:26:51,653 --> 00:26:54,933 Speaker 2: Yeah, I still shiver when I remember that incident because 439 00:26:55,093 --> 00:26:58,373 Speaker 2: well it was literally a half stopping moment in terms 440 00:26:58,613 --> 00:27:02,813 Speaker 2: of cricket. And you know Jerry you or and Moost 441 00:27:02,853 --> 00:27:06,733 Speaker 2: you know, chats really well he was, he was a 442 00:27:06,893 --> 00:27:09,653 Speaker 2: lucky man to come away from that. Ever he was. 443 00:27:10,133 --> 00:27:13,293 Speaker 3: He was followed the tongue and you know, no helmets 444 00:27:13,333 --> 00:27:17,573 Speaker 3: in those days, wads. The ball came off luckily kind 445 00:27:17,613 --> 00:27:19,693 Speaker 3: of the gloves took most of the blow off the 446 00:27:19,773 --> 00:27:21,253 Speaker 3: bat as he kind of had it up in front 447 00:27:21,293 --> 00:27:23,253 Speaker 3: of his face, so it took a lot of the 448 00:27:23,333 --> 00:27:26,333 Speaker 3: blow actually, and then into his mouth and he swallowed, 449 00:27:26,373 --> 00:27:29,853 Speaker 3: as I say, his tongue and seeing all the English 450 00:27:29,893 --> 00:27:32,893 Speaker 3: players just sitting, you know, and standing around not knowing 451 00:27:32,933 --> 00:27:36,773 Speaker 3: what to do right round him, zambucks came on, didn't 452 00:27:36,813 --> 00:27:39,093 Speaker 3: know what to do, went off and then luckily on 453 00:27:39,693 --> 00:27:42,533 Speaker 3: rased Bernard Thomas to save him. So he has spent 454 00:27:42,613 --> 00:27:45,293 Speaker 3: a night in the hospital. Peter Eva went to visit him, 455 00:27:45,533 --> 00:27:49,773 Speaker 3: so it was all okay and then thankfully. 456 00:27:50,253 --> 00:27:53,293 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's interesting it just left in adlible mark. 457 00:27:53,813 --> 00:27:56,173 Speaker 4: You know, I was a young kid in those days 458 00:27:56,213 --> 00:28:01,053 Speaker 4: and it's still in my memory. I can see it 459 00:28:01,133 --> 00:28:07,493 Speaker 4: now and yeah, so it's funny the passing of Peter 460 00:28:07,613 --> 00:28:13,053 Speaker 4: Lever and and that and those memories come back. But oh, 461 00:28:13,173 --> 00:28:14,853 Speaker 4: Peter live had a good life at eighty four and 462 00:28:15,213 --> 00:28:17,813 Speaker 4: we still live Charlie with us, so that can only 463 00:28:17,893 --> 00:28:18,373 Speaker 4: be a good thing. 464 00:28:19,173 --> 00:28:21,213 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. I had a chat with Peter Lever 465 00:28:21,253 --> 00:28:23,173 Speaker 2: about it or sometime ago, and I think it may 466 00:28:23,213 --> 00:28:26,053 Speaker 2: well have been on the front foot that he spoke 467 00:28:26,093 --> 00:28:29,013 Speaker 2: to us, you know, and he was he was saddened 468 00:28:29,053 --> 00:28:32,533 Speaker 2: by the issue, you know that he said, it's just 469 00:28:32,613 --> 00:28:36,133 Speaker 2: one of those things that happened, and that you know, 470 00:28:36,693 --> 00:28:41,493 Speaker 2: that was it. But it wasn't if he held any animosity. 471 00:28:41,653 --> 00:28:45,453 Speaker 2: But the public of New Zealand certainly didn't like him 472 00:28:45,493 --> 00:28:49,133 Speaker 2: for a period of time, did they because of that situation. 473 00:28:50,973 --> 00:28:52,693 Speaker 4: It wasn't the first bounce of bold was it? 474 00:28:55,653 --> 00:29:00,453 Speaker 2: John Snow was around at that period too, wasn't he? Yes, yeah, absolutely, 475 00:29:01,173 --> 00:29:05,293 Speaker 2: and everybody else. Anyway, it came out happily at the 476 00:29:05,413 --> 00:29:08,533 Speaker 2: end and it said to farewell Peter lever Becau. He 477 00:29:08,573 --> 00:29:11,733 Speaker 2: did make a great contribution to the game. Thanks guys. 478 00:29:11,773 --> 00:29:15,053 Speaker 2: Once again, this time next week we'll be celebrating the 479 00:29:15,373 --> 00:29:19,533 Speaker 2: Plunket Shield winners, our Walington Firebirds. Sorry, guys, I know 480 00:29:19,653 --> 00:29:23,573 Speaker 2: this is a little bit parochial. They dipped out of contention. 481 00:29:23,693 --> 00:29:26,653 Speaker 2: They're still there, but they've got to rely on Otago 482 00:29:26,773 --> 00:29:29,813 Speaker 2: beating Northern Districts if they're to get there, and they've 483 00:29:29,813 --> 00:29:32,453 Speaker 2: got to beat Canterbury. So good finale. I've got to 484 00:29:32,573 --> 00:29:35,133 Speaker 2: say that the last couple of rounds of this Plunket 485 00:29:35,213 --> 00:29:39,053 Speaker 2: Shield have been very interesting and entertaining and they've produced 486 00:29:39,333 --> 00:29:42,493 Speaker 2: some good games. We mentioned it last week. Northern Districts 487 00:29:42,533 --> 00:29:45,933 Speaker 2: got up and beat Wellington by twenty eyed at the 488 00:29:46,013 --> 00:29:51,293 Speaker 2: Basin Reserve and Canterbury massacred Central in the game that 489 00:29:51,493 --> 00:29:54,973 Speaker 2: they played. So hopefully we're celebrating. Not too sure what 490 00:29:55,333 --> 00:29:56,933 Speaker 2: it's going to turn out, but thanks for your time. 491 00:29:56,973 --> 00:30:00,853 Speaker 2: We've got the match between New Zealand and Pakistan. There's 492 00:30:00,893 --> 00:30:05,533 Speaker 2: three odieides that we'll be talking about next week, and 493 00:30:05,893 --> 00:30:09,173 Speaker 2: there's some of the other issues facing credators. Jerry, go 494 00:30:09,293 --> 00:30:10,053 Speaker 2: and watch some cricket. 495 00:30:11,093 --> 00:30:13,733 Speaker 3: Thank you mate, I will do cheers most lovely to 496 00:30:14,453 --> 00:30:15,493 Speaker 3: hear what you've had to say. 497 00:30:16,213 --> 00:30:18,293 Speaker 4: And and I'm going to do a really crazy, crazy 498 00:30:18,373 --> 00:30:21,493 Speaker 4: thing tomorrow. I'm going down to the basin and watch 499 00:30:21,613 --> 00:30:24,093 Speaker 4: watch a little bit of cricket plunket shield. 500 00:30:24,653 --> 00:30:26,453 Speaker 3: So there you go, I'll see you. 501 00:30:27,053 --> 00:30:32,173 Speaker 2: We'll have a drink. Good Okay, Mats, guys, cheers. 502 00:30:36,333 --> 00:30:37,253 Speaker 3: Welcome a 503 00:30:39,013 --> 00:30:48,533 Speaker 1: Summer For more from News Talks at b Listen live 504 00:30:48,733 --> 00:30:51,413 Speaker 1: on air or online, and keep our shows with you 505 00:30:51,533 --> 00:30:54,493 Speaker 1: wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.