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Speaker 1: Daily bespoke content that you won't find on the radio

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Speaker 1: show The Hurdarky Breakfast Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Daniel Weatman from The Black Seeds joins us this morning.

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Speaker 3: Daniel, how are you im good? Thank you? Yeah, very good.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for coming in.

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Speaker 2: I hear you've got the morning off your normal job

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Speaker 2: this morning to do the to do?

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Speaker 3: Are you doing the rounds or just you guys exclusively?

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Speaker 3: Just to you guys. Wow, we don't wait what we are.

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Speaker 2: We're super lucky and your work normally, Daniel, is I.

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Speaker 3: Do height installs. Supervise some young lads to do high

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Speaker 3: installs like installing excess letters to your roofs, anchors on

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Speaker 3: the roofs, pathways and stuff like that. So a lot

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Speaker 3: of hepwork.

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Speaker 4: So like the guys, there's some of them out there

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Speaker 4: at the moment repelling down the side of the building.

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Speaker 4: I think they're cleaning the windows. Yeah, but that sort

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Speaker 4: of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't supervise that. I used to hang off buildings,

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Speaker 3: but I don't know's it's only so much of that

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Speaker 3: you can do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I used to get very nervous doing that day you

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Speaker 3: really Yeah we're afraid of heights?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, what a strange profession to go into

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Speaker 2: if you're afraid of heights.

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Speaker 3: Well, I kind of fell into it really. I was

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Speaker 3: working for a sign installation company and the guy said, hey,

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Speaker 3: we're going to I'm going to pull all the boys

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Speaker 3: through their tickets to do irata. That's one of the

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Speaker 3: seats that you can get. And I said, yeah, I'll

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Speaker 3: do it. And I didn't really think about it enough.

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Speaker 3: I knew we were going to be hanging off buildings,

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Speaker 3: but it's yeah, it's quite complicated. It's in the tense.

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Speaker 3: Five days of training and yeah, I did it. And

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Speaker 3: then I guess as you you know, you hang off buildings,

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Speaker 3: you get used to that feeling of the fair and

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Speaker 3: then once you're there where you just got to do

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Speaker 3: the work and kind of look at what you're doing

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Speaker 3: in front of you rather than looking down.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, have you seen that thing on Netflix, that guy

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Speaker 4: that Alex Honald, the free solo guy. Have you seen

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Speaker 4: that he climbed I have Type one O one is

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Speaker 4: like the second biggest building in the world. That is terrifying.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's next level though, but just this the stress.

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Speaker 4: That like the butthole puckering when you're watching this and

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Speaker 4: then the drone shots around it as someone who's been

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Speaker 4: up like, what did you think when you were watching

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Speaker 4: it bring back some trick?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely brings it back, and you feel it

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Speaker 3: in your body for sure. I mean yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: that's he's a unique individual, isn't he. Yeah, but you

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Speaker 3: would have to be. I think it's I think it's

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Speaker 3: a great thing to do to face your fears, such

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Speaker 3: as anything in life and when you're hanging off a

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Speaker 3: building and having to use your tools and do the job.

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Speaker 3: I think I think it's helped me in a lot

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Speaker 3: of ways.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like to face my fears, Daniel, but generally

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Speaker 2: not in a physical sense. So I think like I'm

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Speaker 2: facing them. Well, I think in a mental sense, you know,

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Speaker 3: That you worry about.

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Speaker 2: But physically I feel like that's my that's my brain

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Speaker 2: saying you shouldn't be up there doing that, and your

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Speaker 2: brain does right, and my brain is right, you know.

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Speaker 4: So you just like to think about them rather than

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Speaker 4: do them.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot I mean in a broadcasting sense,

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Speaker 2: you know, where you're worried about how something might play out,

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Speaker 2: how that might affect you.

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Speaker 4: Your for the wrangles.

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Speaker 2: Then yeah, then that's something that you can face and realize.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, well I was always going to survive that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because that's what I was thinking when

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Speaker 3: I came to the interview. It's always a bit of

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Speaker 3: nerve wrecking to come and speak, but you know, you

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Speaker 3: have to do it. And I think it's the same

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Speaker 3: as ab sailing. I had to go over the bit,

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Speaker 3: I had to do the job. I had to get

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Speaker 3: over the building and facing that fear was great.

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Speaker 2: Is there going to be any ab sailing that you

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Speaker 2: could incorporate into the Black Seeds performance perhaps?

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Speaker 4: I mean, have you considered a concert from the side

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Speaker 4: of a building.

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Speaker 2: I saw Jane's Addiction at Lolapalooza not long ago, and

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Speaker 2: they had people on these like like strings basically strings probably,

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Speaker 2: and they were just flying out into the crowd out

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Speaker 2: and and sort of getting kind of and some were

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was quite full on.

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Speaker 4: Any plans for that for the Black Seeds.

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Speaker 2: Through the skin, through the skin like like hooks, hooks

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Speaker 2: through the skin, and they were they were been flowing out.

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Speaker 3: Wow, the whole the whole game.

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Speaker 3: I love that j adiction. I mean that would have

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Speaker 3: been that sounds amazing, But for the Seeds probably not.

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Speaker 3: I get a bit nerdy when I go to gigs

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Speaker 3: and see how they're rigged up and there's this, you know,

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Speaker 3: all the lighting gets rigged up by reggas who do

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Speaker 3: EBB sailing. Usually I sort of check out that. But

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Speaker 3: for the Seeds, no. I mean, going back to when

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Speaker 3: I was like eight, my parents took me to see

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Speaker 3: Lionel Richie and he had that song dancing on the

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Speaker 3: ceiling and then half of the alder, half of the

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Speaker 3: people that were playing on stage actually got pulled up

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Speaker 3: At the end of the concert. Yeah, it was quite

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Speaker 3: where did you see Lionel Richard Western Springs?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Yeah it at Lionel's Linel was just like Linel loomed large.

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Speaker 2: That would have been like eighty five eighty six. Ye

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Speaker 2: vibe man, he loomed large of over nineteen eighty five

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Speaker 2: eighty six. And he's on the other world at the

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Speaker 4: Just after that, I mean, he put the whole thing together,

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Speaker 2: Linel basically yeah, Lionel, Lionel We interviewed Lionel the while back,

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Speaker 2: and he is one of the nicest, most charming people

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Speaker 2: you'll ever meet in your entire He's one of the

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Speaker 2: like the Linel Riches of the world, the nicest people.

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Speaker 2: They are always like the AAA's are always the nice,

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Speaker 2: just have a gift. They'll remember your name. They'll call

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Speaker 2: And then I find that it's not kind of the

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Speaker 2: case with everybody, but but guys like him, You're like,

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Speaker 2: oh man, you've got the gift.

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Speaker 3: Like the now, I want to know who was the worst?

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Speaker 3: Can you say?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'll openly say I think it's I think

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Speaker 2: it's fair.

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Speaker 3: Remember Barker, really exactly Barker. He's on flight of.

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Speaker 4: The concourse, the flat mate.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, well here that here the bandana, and

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Speaker 2: he was like the American.

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Speaker 4: I think he's Canadian, such a Dick, and it was like,

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Speaker 4: what is up with that guy?

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Speaker 3: He turned up?

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Speaker 2: He turned up just like you did today, Daniel, exactly

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Speaker 2: the same and.

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Speaker 4: Repelled into the building and.

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Speaker 2: Was here to promote something like he was wanting to

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Speaker 2: sell tickets to a show and just kind of acted like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, like he just did not want to

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Speaker 2: and he just shut everything down, like completely shut everything.

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Speaker 3: Was like, oh, you're coming here to promote your thing.

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Speaker 2: We don't really care that much about ash, Like I

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Speaker 2: don't really care that much about as chat. Always happy

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Speaker 2: to chalk, and he was like, man, it was weird.

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Speaker 2: And then afterwards we chatted to a couple of the

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Speaker 2: other comedians who have dealt with him that you know,

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Speaker 2: that's just something he just hates. He's just a bit

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Speaker 2: of an ahole.

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Speaker 4: You probably, I guess.

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Speaker 2: What.

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Speaker 4: You must have met some pretty big musicians touring over

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Speaker 3: I got a good one. Yeah. We were in Switzerland.

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Speaker 3: We did this festival and Smashing Punkins were playing, and

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Speaker 3: then their room actually ended up being right next to ours,

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Speaker 3: out the festival, came back. I was a few drinks down,

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Speaker 3: so I was, yeah, confident, so confident. His bodyguard was

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Speaker 3: really into the Warriors and we were chatting about that.

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Speaker 3: A bodyguard, Yeah, tell them the one New Zealand Warriors.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. He was a multifiler. So we were chatting, rocking,

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Speaker 3: see you later, and and then I peered through the

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Speaker 3: I think I woke them up. Yeah yeah, I said hey, hey, hey, Billy,

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Speaker 3: and he got over. He was like, well he man.

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Speaker 3: the room next year. I just wanted to say I

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Speaker 3: just love the first two albums. Just that's too long ago.

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Speaker 5: A lot.

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Speaker 3: Just made one album. You need to do a double seat.

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Speaker 3: Who knows what we're happening if I told him that.

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Speaker 3: But he was great. He was like, you know, he

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Speaker 3: had a bit of a chair, but he remembered. He said, oh,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand, I haven't been back there since the big

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Speaker 3: was like, okay.

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Speaker 2: I think they would have invited you. I think they

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Speaker 2: it's pumpkins.

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Speaker 3: Sure. He was great. And then the bodyguards came in.

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Speaker 3: There was a there was a German bodyguard with the

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Speaker 3: I just wanted in there. They had done their job,

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Speaker 3: they hadn't done their job, and so they've probably been embarrassed.

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Speaker 3: And I just kind of looked at Billy, and Billy

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Speaker 3: was like, yeah, that's okay, that's okay. And he said, oh,

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Speaker 3: I guess this is where we do bones. And we

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Speaker 3: did bones and I said thank you, and that was that.

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Speaker 3: See you later. He was really cool.

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Speaker 2: Billy Corgan asleep asleep.

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Speaker 3: He probably probably.

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Speaker 2: Thought when you woke him that you were coming from.

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Speaker 3: I was pretty relaxed. But he was the older version

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Speaker 3: of Billy Corgan where he's got the whole black attire

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Speaker 3: and but it's a bit overweight. He's got the pot

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Speaker 2: So it's all happening in Auckland Domain Minucure Fuel Symphony Saturday.

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Speaker 2: That's not the said day, but the following Saturday, Saturday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty first of March. There's still some tickets available.

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Speaker 2: It's always yes, it's always a good vibe and popular.

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Speaker 2: It's a it's a fantastic event, Daniel, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for coming on. Jeez, guys, lovely to see you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much. Keep up the great work, guys,

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Speaker 3: walking were coming. Compassion must.

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