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Speaker 1: Kyoda. I'm Chelsea Daniels and from the team behind the

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Speaker 1: front page The New Zealand Herald's daily news podcast, This

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Speaker 1: is Accused The Polkinghorn Trial. Over the next six weeks,

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Speaker 1: in conjunction with our usual daily podcasts, will be bringing

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Speaker 1: you regular coverage as one of the most high profile

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Speaker 1: trials of the year makes its way through the High

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Speaker 1: Court at Auckland. A warning, this podcast contains disturbing content,

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Speaker 1: a home visit, a parade of ex colleagues, and an

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Speaker 1: explanation as to why Pauline Hannah's niece recorded a family conversation.

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Speaker 1: The trial of Philip Polkinghorn has entered its third week.

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Speaker 1: He's accused of murdering his wife, but maintains she took

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Speaker 1: her own life. The jury called a little early to

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Speaker 1: court on day ten ahead of a visit to the

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Speaker 1: Polkinghorn home in Remuera. Justice Graham Lang explained how the

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Speaker 1: morning would work before they set off. Journalists aren't allowed

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Speaker 1: inside for house visits like this, but they are allowed

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Speaker 1: to watch from the scene and photograph the judge and

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Speaker 1: lawyers from the street, though not the jury. I spoke

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Speaker 1: with The Herald's Craig Captain, who was there. Can you

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Speaker 1: tell me, Craig where you are at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm at the Rema home of the jury has

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Speaker 2: been transported to hear of your bus today to do

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Speaker 2: a site visit, which is pretty rare in our trials

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Speaker 1: What are the rules around the site visit.

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Speaker 2: Well, they want to be very careful not to have

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Speaker 2: but no going through drawers or closets because this is

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Speaker 1: What was the process like this morning? So they met

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Speaker 2: Yes, the Jewels showed up a little early today, fortre

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Speaker 1: And what's it like being there? I suppose media aren't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to say, it's a little strange. We

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Speaker 2: but I guess that happens. We're going to all with

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Speaker 1: About the media and have a lot of them decided

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Speaker 2: I don't have sent a scout of how many people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the jury have just finished, and now Brian Vicki

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Craig.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, have a good one.

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Speaker 1: Whenever a witness is called to the stand, they have

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Speaker 1: He asked she wasn't. He referred to Hannah's work emails,

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Speaker 1: Mansfield later asked her whether she was aware Hannah had

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Speaker 1: her longtime work friend. I thought that she deserved better

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Week three began with Pauline's

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Speaker 1: niece Rose Hannah on the stand.

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Speaker 3: She's the one.

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Speaker 1: Responsible for the recording of a family dinner we heard

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Speaker 1: on day nine, known as the Longlands recording. So why

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Speaker 1: of the recording, Pauline had gone to Hawk's Bay to

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Speaker 1: when the conversation quickly turned. Once the conversation subsided into

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Speaker 3: No, I've got it. There's an email somewhere that I

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Speaker 3: she had made Christmas dinner into an event by inviting me,

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Speaker 4: Was that the email there that you were talking about? Yes,

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Speaker 3: Yes, yep, she said, PJP on the ceiling with four

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Speaker 3: So would you mind if I find you somewhere lovely

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Speaker 1: Rose had dinner with Pauline in August twenty twenty, where

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Speaker 3: She said that during the early stages of the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: Rose said her aunt was terrified. She was worried she

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Speaker 1: toy property, which was in Pauline's name, for about a

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Speaker 1: Rose discussed a message Pauline sent her after the conversation

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Speaker 3: Yes I don't feel good about today or sharing some

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Speaker 3: can't say how much I want to get rid of

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. It has not been the most auspicious year.

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Speaker 3: Thank you again, darling girl, love you so much.

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Speaker 4: Pee and you've responded saying you're glad that she'd shared.

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Speaker 4: That's half the battle, and I paraphrase.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I can tell you don't feel good about the

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Speaker 4: This.

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Speaker 3: Terrible question.

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Speaker 4: But had you had experience I have someone close to

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Speaker 4: And that's hanging correct, and that's all you've been told.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Mansfield asked Rose about her communication with John and

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Speaker 1: Victoria Riordan. Victoria goes by Pheasant. They were family friends

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Speaker 4: You tell them we, presumably you and your dad, don't

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Speaker 3: It was days later Pheasant called me because all I'd

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Speaker 4: So it was out the seventh then, yes, yeah, that

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Speaker 4: Either, And that's what you say back right, yes. And

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Speaker 3: They were relieved that it wasn't just their thinking.

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Speaker 1: The Crown called Paul Adrian's to the stand, a hairdresser

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Speaker 1: who knew Polkinghorn by a mutual friend, Lee Peterson. It

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Speaker 1: Sarah Prentice worked with Hannah in the health sector. She'd

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Speaker 1: She was proud of everything she was doing. Sarah said

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Speaker 1: Ron Mansfield asked her about their work hours. Were they long?

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Speaker 4: You've told the police there an average of one hundred

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Speaker 5: There were days, especially in the weekdays they were long,

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Speaker 4: In total for a weekundred hours.

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Speaker 1: They'd both be on their phones and laptops at home

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Speaker 1: they worked all hours of the day. Sorry that this

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Speaker 1: I feel a bit fatigued myself now, he said. The

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Speaker 1: reporting from the Heralds Craig Captan and George Block, and

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Speaker 5: Mm hmm