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Speaker 1: Heather due for Celo.

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Speaker 2: Looks like nothing's changed in Camp Jasinda has it. You

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Speaker 2: will get no admission that she and her government got

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Speaker 2: anything wrong during COVID, from what I can gather now.

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Speaker 2: To be fair, this is my disclaimer. I haven't actually

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Speaker 2: read the entire memoir just yet, but from what I've

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Speaker 2: skim read, and from what I've read and heard in

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Speaker 2: the reviews, and what I've read and heard with her

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Speaker 2: interviews promoting the book, if you are looking for her

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Speaker 2: to admit that she got anything wrong at all during COVID,

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Speaker 2: you're not going to find it. The closest thing I

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Speaker 2: found is on page three hundred and nine, where she

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Speaker 2: admits that she made quote imperfect decisions. But that's really

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Speaker 2: underselling the massive balls up that was our COVID's response,

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Speaker 2: wasn't it. What you get instead is multiple excuses, heaps

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Speaker 2: of verbal fluff to avoid answering hard questions, and regularly

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Speaker 2: the defense of we saved twenty thousand lives. Here's an

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Speaker 2: example of Camp. So she gave an interview to Arenz's

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Speaker 2: Jesse Mulligan where he asked her about vaccine mandates, which

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Speaker 2: we now know, of course, was a huge mistake. That

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Speaker 2: cost people their job simply because they wouldn't get the

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Speaker 2: jab in which the Royal Commission of Inquiry into COVID

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Speaker 2: said damaged social cohesion. Would she agree with that, he

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Speaker 2: asked her. She said she wouldn't argue with their findings.

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Speaker 2: He then asked her, did vaccine mandates save any lives?

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Speaker 2: She said, she's not the one that can answer that

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Speaker 2: question for you, although apparently she can't tell you that

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Speaker 2: she did save twenty thousand lives. She just can't talk

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Speaker 2: about this particular instance. And then she goes on to

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Speaker 2: say that the Commission did also say that vaccine mandates

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Speaker 2: were important in areas like health care and so on,

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Speaker 2: and we're relatively limited. But again I won't argue with

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Speaker 2: their findings. So not a yes, not a no, and

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Speaker 2: definitely definitely not an apology. Now I don't actually know

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Speaker 2: why I was expecting anything else from her. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this was a feature of Jacinda during COVID. She would

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Speaker 2: never say she did anything wrong, which is why it

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Speaker 2: got worse and worse as she barreled full steam ahead

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Speaker 2: in the wrong direction at times, because apparently going full

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Speaker 2: steam ahead in the wrong direction was better than admitting

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Speaker 2: she was headed in the wrong direction, and of course

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Speaker 2: she got things wrong. I mean, anyone would have. She

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Speaker 2: made thousands and thousands of decisions over multiple years. She

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Speaker 2: would one hundred percent have got at least one of

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Speaker 2: those decisions wrong. Do you not think it would be

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Speaker 2: nice just to hear her admit it, because I think

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Speaker 2: it would help some of us, and I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: me here to forgive.

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