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Speaker 2: Here all joining us on Rugby Direct. Liam, greetings and

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Speaker 2: welcome from Argentina.

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Speaker 3: Good to catch up, oh, Elliott's yes, great to catch

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Speaker 3: up in the Argentinian capital and plenty to get stuck onto.

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Speaker 3: Isn't there in the Rugby Championship ups sets drama?

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Speaker 2: It's all happening, It certainly is all happening. Well, you

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Speaker 2: had a pretty good seat yesterday for the All Blacks

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Speaker 2: when over Argentina. Probably a pretty good place to start.

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Speaker 2: What were your baseline thoughts on that All Blacks performances?

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Speaker 2: They comfortably bet Argentina Barra sort of twenty minutes squeeze

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, it was an amazing atmosphere in

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Speaker 3: caught Over, the first time the All Blacks had been

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Speaker 3: there in thirty years, fifty five thousand fans and they

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Speaker 3: were certainly rocking pre cookoff and the All Blacks did

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Speaker 3: a great job of silence and them didn't They initially

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Speaker 4: And not completely dominant.

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Speaker 3: There were some clunky moments, but comfortable, very comfortable at

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Speaker 3: they're going to make an early Rugby Championship statements and

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Speaker 3: kick on from here. And then it was anything but

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Speaker 3: the second half fades returns, the discipline issues returned to

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Speaker 3: yellow cards. Scott Robinson went to his bench early and

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Speaker 3: there was some very nervous moments for the All Blacks

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Speaker 3: with their twenty one point lead whittled down to seven

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Speaker 3: points before too late. Summersony Takeyaho tries and the Ford

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Speaker 3: Pack really getting the All Blacks out of jail. Somewhats

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Speaker 3: going back to the mall and pushing clear for as

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Speaker 3: you say, pretty comfortable in the end, but the All

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Speaker 3: Blacks I think very mixed. The motions six tries bonus

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Speaker 4: What was your read on it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, we were talking about it at halftime in

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Speaker 2: Storing about the needs to kick on and really put

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Speaker 2: statement to win that the All Blacks have been searching

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Speaker 2: with the second half performance they desired, And really I

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Speaker 2: I think they had a ninety four percent possession over

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Speaker 2: penalty count was nine to four against Argentina at halftime,

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Speaker 2: in some respects. Corthius Ratsma I thought was playing very

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Speaker 2: The reserve props didn't really make an impact. The starting

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that.

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Speaker 3: I think there wasn't that impact from the bench other

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Speaker 4: I guess some other issues, Eliot.

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Speaker 3: I think the back line is not functioning as well

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Speaker 3: but is struggling to carry that impact through Rika Iwani's

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Speaker 3: Off his wing and get him evolved, but his hands

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly is, and I'm with you, I don't

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Speaker 2: He's not alone because I don't think Jordy Barrett probably

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Speaker 2: that's the way that the All Blacks are attacking obviously

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Speaker 3: It is drop bulls, forward passes and there were a

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Speaker 3: couple of nice skip balls out to severa Reese's wing.

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Speaker 3: work on in that department. What about the discipline that

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Speaker 4: He was binned as well.

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Speaker 3: That was a real problem for the All Blacks during

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Speaker 3: prop tight loose head props. Sorry get being yellowcuted in

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Speaker 2: just seemingly we're giving up penalties for fun really, which

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Speaker 2: I don't think Anton Lenett Brown strikes It is the

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Speaker 2: It's been impressive what they're able to do. And you

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I subscribe to that totally. I

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Speaker 3: Certainly, that's where the All Black strength is, that's where

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Speaker 4: Whether he remains there.

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Speaker 3: I think there's big question marks over the All blacks

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Speaker 3: But I think the All Blacks should be aspiring to

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Speaker 2: On the defensive shift. It feels like the All Blacks,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think they missed twenty five tackles, which is too

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Speaker 3: He wasn't alone, but yeah, that'll certainly be highlighted in

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Speaker 3: yet you don't mind, or you can't argue if teams

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Speaker 2: It certainly will anything else on the game specifically, before

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Speaker 4: Well, what about the Pumas.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they played to the best of their ability,

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Speaker 3: when they've beaten the All Blacks, it's when they've been

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Speaker 4: But I didn't think that was the best performance.

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Speaker 3: This scrum struggled and some of their kicking was inaccurate.

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Speaker 4: What did you make of the Pomas?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was disappointed by them in all honesty. Look,

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Speaker 2: I think the loose Ford trio has always showed up.

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Speaker 2: Polo Matteta, Marcos Kremer and Oviedle I thought were excellent.

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Speaker 2: Is always very very rarely do they have a bad game.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a great myth that goes around around

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Speaker 2: saw them make errors. They still you know, one of

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Speaker 2: And it's not They're not the strength that it once was.

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Speaker 2: On a number of occasions he would he would double

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Speaker 2: pump the ball, allowed the All Blacks to get up

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Speaker 2: So I thought he was a player that battled in

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Speaker 2: Lpe Countempoe. He didn't look at Matao karatas one of

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Speaker 2: Amelionable fairly, who has been out with long term injuries

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Speaker 2: for almost two years now. Really and I know he's

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Speaker 2: they just maybe missing a couple of players in that

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Speaker 2: make of them?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the occasion, there's a lot of talk,

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Speaker 3: wasn't there about the fact that Pumas have never beaten

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Speaker 3: the All Blacks in Argentina, and perhaps that's a bit

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Speaker 3: of a weight of expectation for them. But yeah, I agree,

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Speaker 3: I think concerpently got a few of his selections wrong.

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Speaker 3: in Buenos Aires.

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of changes the All Blacks, we touched on

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Speaker 2: unlikely to play, Are there other changes that you can

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we'll see to Mighty Williams come straight

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Speaker 3: Josh Lord. I would also like to see Kyle Preston

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Speaker 3: coming at half back. I just think he's got so

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Speaker 3: much more upside to fin lay Christie off the bench.

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Speaker 3: We talked about that impact before. Preston's a guy that

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Speaker 3: he's got pace, he's got great support lines, so I

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Speaker 3: think he deserves a chance. And Simon Parker is another

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Speaker 3: one I think they'll strongly consider. Can't see too many

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Speaker 3: changes across the back line. I think Bilbacks feel at

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Speaker 3: they'll take any chances. I think they'll know that Pumas

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Speaker 4: What about you?

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Speaker 3: You see a few chants for a few day booze.

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Speaker 3: Does Leroy Carter get a look in?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to see Leroy Carter get a look in.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's hard, isn't it that he's not in

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Speaker 2: the official squads as it's been turned obviously he's there,

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Speaker 2: but they've got him morning nadaware. They've got Ruben Love

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Speaker 2: Leroy Carter offers something different on the wing. I'd love

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Speaker 2: be really dynamic at Test level, but hard to see.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he gets a looking on the bench potentially for

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Speaker 2: a late impact and he's a player that we talk

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Speaker 2: about impact. He could certainly bring some impact late in

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Speaker 2: the game with his out and out speed and also

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Speaker 2: his position. His ability to play multiple positions. He played

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Speaker 2: center recently in the NBC for Bay have plenty, He's

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Speaker 2: played in the wing. He can play half back as

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Speaker 2: well if needed. I think I think Kyle Preston has

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Speaker 2: to play this week. Finlay Christie was defensively missing. I

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Speaker 2: thought he was pretty poor, so I'd like to see

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Speaker 2: that change that you mentioned there as well. But other

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Speaker 2: than that, I think they'll keep the same players in

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Speaker 2: positions around the team. Maybe Parker comes off the bench

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Speaker 2: for a debut, Female can be there as lock cover.

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Speaker 2: We saw during France they often picked two loose forwards,

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Speaker 2: obviously with the ability to move two po via back

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Speaker 2: into the second row if needed, So maybe that's an

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Speaker 2: opportunity to bring in those loose forwards late in the game.

434
00:22:13,293 --> 00:22:16,333
Speaker 2: But I think they need to need to look at

435
00:22:16,333 --> 00:22:19,213
Speaker 2: some of these players with an ie to South Africa

436
00:22:19,253 --> 00:22:23,133
Speaker 2: and ultimately obviously respecting Argentina as well. But they did

437
00:22:23,133 --> 00:22:25,533
Speaker 2: to get some players on the park ahead of that

438
00:22:25,573 --> 00:22:27,493
Speaker 2: test that Eden parking in a couple of weeks time

439
00:22:28,733 --> 00:22:29,053
Speaker 2: they do.

440
00:22:29,173 --> 00:22:32,973
Speaker 3: It's a balancing act, isn't it, to give players time

441
00:22:33,093 --> 00:22:36,493
Speaker 3: to expose them to try new things. But when you

442
00:22:36,533 --> 00:22:39,253
Speaker 3: think about that loose forward trio, I think they're going

443
00:22:39,333 --> 00:22:41,973
Speaker 3: to want to get Wallace TC in there with Artie

444
00:22:42,013 --> 00:22:45,453
Speaker 3: Severe and Tupu Vie because that combination hasn't played together

445
00:22:45,933 --> 00:22:48,733
Speaker 3: and so looking your head to the spring box, you

446
00:22:48,773 --> 00:22:51,293
Speaker 3: don't want to be rolling out a completely new combination

447
00:22:52,013 --> 00:22:55,573
Speaker 3: at Eden Park to try and protect that Fortress record.

448
00:22:55,693 --> 00:22:58,613
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think you can get the mix of

449
00:22:59,093 --> 00:23:03,693
Speaker 3: introducing a Kyle Preston on debut as well as bringing

450
00:23:03,733 --> 00:23:08,253
Speaker 3: back some of those real dynamic, powerful forwards and wallacity

451
00:23:08,413 --> 00:23:12,293
Speaker 3: to end Tomighty Williams, which should strengthen the bench impact

452
00:23:12,333 --> 00:23:12,693
Speaker 3: as well.

453
00:23:12,893 --> 00:23:15,773
Speaker 2: Indeed, before we go any further, you spoke to All

454
00:23:15,773 --> 00:23:19,013
Speaker 2: Black's assistant coach Jason Holland, so let's have a listen

455
00:23:19,093 --> 00:23:19,573
Speaker 2: to that now.

456
00:23:19,813 --> 00:23:23,293
Speaker 3: Jason Holland, thanks for making some time and buonos Aidre's

457
00:23:23,853 --> 00:23:26,613
Speaker 3: you would have made a few trips over here back

458
00:23:26,653 --> 00:23:29,773
Speaker 3: in the days during your time as Hurricanes head coach

459
00:23:29,853 --> 00:23:32,373
Speaker 3: to play the Huguards. What are you? What do your

460
00:23:32,373 --> 00:23:35,173
Speaker 3: sort of memories and I guess experiences of Argentina.

461
00:23:35,573 --> 00:23:37,253
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've had a couple of trips over.

462
00:23:38,573 --> 00:23:41,453
Speaker 6: Actually stayed in this place and it's been always been

463
00:23:41,453 --> 00:23:44,853
Speaker 6: pretty enjoyable. A the people over here are called the emotional,

464
00:23:44,933 --> 00:23:49,213
Speaker 6: but love their footy and then in its pretty good

465
00:23:49,253 --> 00:23:52,733
Speaker 6: city here, so always enjoy it. Always a tough camera footy,

466
00:23:53,853 --> 00:23:56,293
Speaker 6: the way these boys are and the way they're tough

467
00:23:56,293 --> 00:24:00,813
Speaker 6: boys and smashing fifteen steaks a week and looking to

468
00:24:00,853 --> 00:24:04,413
Speaker 6: hurt people spar it's it's calling, Yeah, one of the

469
00:24:04,413 --> 00:24:05,013
Speaker 6: better places to go.

470
00:24:05,053 --> 00:24:08,893
Speaker 3: I reckon, what's what's the feeling in camp? I guess

471
00:24:08,933 --> 00:24:13,173
Speaker 3: after the performance at the weekends six tries, bonus point victory,

472
00:24:13,213 --> 00:24:15,173
Speaker 3: but I guess a bit of a patchy performance.

473
00:24:16,173 --> 00:24:17,613
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was a hell of a lot of good

474
00:24:17,613 --> 00:24:21,173
Speaker 6: stuff in the first half, especially you know, I felt

475
00:24:21,173 --> 00:24:23,813
Speaker 6: we if we got if we're more accurate and.

476
00:24:23,773 --> 00:24:25,733
Speaker 5: Got a bit more ruthless, we probably could have been

477
00:24:25,733 --> 00:24:26,653
Speaker 5: more ahead at half time.

478
00:24:26,733 --> 00:24:26,973
Speaker 6: Do you know?

479
00:24:27,093 --> 00:24:29,493
Speaker 5: We probably a few.

480
00:24:29,333 --> 00:24:31,373
Speaker 6: Average decisions in attack, we could have scored a couple

481
00:24:31,373 --> 00:24:32,973
Speaker 6: of tries and a little bit of skill set stuff

482
00:24:32,973 --> 00:24:35,373
Speaker 6: with us down. But at other times we were really

483
00:24:35,893 --> 00:24:38,173
Speaker 6: you know, we put the Argentinians under mess of pressure

484
00:24:39,093 --> 00:24:43,373
Speaker 6: through our game. But yeah, a lot we're still and

485
00:24:43,453 --> 00:24:45,253
Speaker 6: any footy team you want to be better, and we've

486
00:24:45,253 --> 00:24:46,733
Speaker 6: still got lots of areas and we want to keep

487
00:24:46,733 --> 00:24:49,373
Speaker 6: being better. But we just had a bonus point win

488
00:24:49,413 --> 00:24:53,253
Speaker 6: in Argentina and and that you know, that's that's never

489
00:24:53,253 --> 00:24:54,853
Speaker 6: easy to come by. So there's a lot of good

490
00:24:54,853 --> 00:24:56,373
Speaker 6: going on. We just got to find all the little

491
00:24:56,373 --> 00:24:57,333
Speaker 6: ways to be better.

492
00:24:58,253 --> 00:25:00,053
Speaker 3: Before we touch on the nuts. And bolts of the game.

493
00:25:00,093 --> 00:25:00,773
Speaker 4: I guess I'm.

494
00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:04,773
Speaker 3: Patrick two blow who went to hospital of concussion. Looked

495
00:25:04,773 --> 00:25:07,373
Speaker 3: like he had a pretty decent dent in his head.

496
00:25:08,053 --> 00:25:09,773
Speaker 3: What what actually happened there?

497
00:25:10,253 --> 00:25:12,093
Speaker 6: I'm just sure that little he had to put a

498
00:25:12,093 --> 00:25:14,133
Speaker 6: glancing blow with one of the loosey's heads. I think

499
00:25:14,573 --> 00:25:17,533
Speaker 6: he's I've just come out of a line out strategy meeting,

500
00:25:17,613 --> 00:25:20,693
Speaker 6: so he's he's got concussion sentence, but he's thinking pretty

501
00:25:20,693 --> 00:25:22,893
Speaker 6: clearly around the line out straight for the week.

502
00:25:23,493 --> 00:25:23,653
Speaker 5: Yeah.

503
00:25:23,693 --> 00:25:26,173
Speaker 6: Luck, he's taking a bang and this I think he

504
00:25:26,253 --> 00:25:28,333
Speaker 6: need to get checked up and they would be unlikely

505
00:25:28,373 --> 00:25:31,653
Speaker 6: to be ready for this weekend. But Medock's going to

506
00:25:32,053 --> 00:25:33,653
Speaker 6: keep an eye on for the next couple of days.

507
00:25:33,693 --> 00:25:36,213
Speaker 6: But ye're one of those things being in the head.

508
00:25:36,213 --> 00:25:39,173
Speaker 6: But you know, I don't think it's too serious. But

509
00:25:39,293 --> 00:25:41,653
Speaker 6: he's going to be checked up on the next few days.

510
00:25:42,373 --> 00:25:44,853
Speaker 3: Will that affect the balances squad much so us? He's

511
00:25:44,813 --> 00:25:48,973
Speaker 3: got three traditional locks and your starting team. Will it

512
00:25:49,053 --> 00:25:51,293
Speaker 3: change your thinking much with him unavailable? Oh?

513
00:25:51,413 --> 00:25:54,093
Speaker 6: Firstly, you lose someone like Paddy who's been outstanding for

514
00:25:54,173 --> 00:25:55,813
Speaker 6: us and in the weekend again, she's that what he

515
00:25:55,853 --> 00:25:57,613
Speaker 6: added when he came off the bench with his carry

516
00:25:57,653 --> 00:26:00,733
Speaker 6: and his energy was outstanding. So it's always you always

517
00:26:00,973 --> 00:26:03,853
Speaker 6: lose something if you lose Patty. But you know, as

518
00:26:03,853 --> 00:26:06,733
Speaker 6: you would have heard, the depth is really important to us,

519
00:26:06,733 --> 00:26:08,653
Speaker 6: and guys been out to step in and the young

520
00:26:08,693 --> 00:26:10,933
Speaker 6: fellow FABS has gone pretty good since he's been in

521
00:26:11,013 --> 00:26:14,413
Speaker 6: and scooped Barrett's back. And you know, we've got We've

522
00:26:14,453 --> 00:26:17,133
Speaker 6: got lots of bodies here with Toops and with Lordie here,

523
00:26:17,253 --> 00:26:21,013
Speaker 6: So no, I'll just be basically be an opportunity for

524
00:26:21,053 --> 00:26:24,373
Speaker 6: someone else if Patty doesn't make it, and nothing will

525
00:26:24,453 --> 00:26:25,733
Speaker 6: change in the way we try and play.

526
00:26:26,573 --> 00:26:29,973
Speaker 3: What about Anton and Brown? Obviously the yellow card head

527
00:26:30,013 --> 00:26:34,373
Speaker 3: knock as well. Watts has availability.

528
00:26:33,893 --> 00:26:36,333
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, a bit of a being on the

529
00:26:36,373 --> 00:26:40,293
Speaker 6: Snarz But yeah, I think he's another one who has

530
00:26:40,333 --> 00:26:42,013
Speaker 6: to pass a couple of things as early in the week,

531
00:26:42,573 --> 00:26:45,053
Speaker 6: so we'll know more by you know, as he ticks

532
00:26:45,093 --> 00:26:48,013
Speaker 6: something off on Monday and Tuesday, but we'll definitely know

533
00:26:48,053 --> 00:26:48,413
Speaker 6: that by the.

534
00:26:48,453 --> 00:26:51,213
Speaker 3: End of Tuesday and the rest of the squad any

535
00:26:51,493 --> 00:26:53,253
Speaker 3: other serious bangs.

536
00:26:53,533 --> 00:26:57,093
Speaker 6: I think we've been pretty lucky. Actually, you know, boys

537
00:26:57,093 --> 00:27:00,013
Speaker 6: that have come back, you know, like Scooter as an example,

538
00:27:00,053 --> 00:27:02,413
Speaker 6: got his fifty to fifty five minutes and got through

539
00:27:02,413 --> 00:27:07,173
Speaker 6: that well. And everyone else is tracking pretty nicely, so

540
00:27:07,213 --> 00:27:10,453
Speaker 6: I don't think from memory as anybody else will be

541
00:27:10,533 --> 00:27:11,013
Speaker 6: earned out.

542
00:27:12,093 --> 00:27:15,893
Speaker 3: How nice will it be to get Wallace Citys and

543
00:27:16,133 --> 00:27:20,973
Speaker 3: Marty Williams back to dynamic, big, powerful, skillful forwards.

544
00:27:21,213 --> 00:27:22,973
Speaker 6: Yeah, the last time we saw them in all black jerseys,

545
00:27:22,973 --> 00:27:24,293
Speaker 6: they were on fire, went there at the end of

546
00:27:24,333 --> 00:27:27,253
Speaker 6: last year and the Northern tour, So your time's in

547
00:27:27,293 --> 00:27:31,413
Speaker 6: great neck firstly, and yeah, he's room to go and

548
00:27:32,093 --> 00:27:34,533
Speaker 6: they've been messive boost to us. You know, he's obviously

549
00:27:34,533 --> 00:27:36,173
Speaker 6: the boys have stepped in and done really well. You know,

550
00:27:36,173 --> 00:27:39,373
Speaker 6: obviously grud is still playing well and Ollie's taken his chances.

551
00:27:39,373 --> 00:27:41,973
Speaker 6: But you know there's something around times with the size

552
00:27:42,013 --> 00:27:45,493
Speaker 6: of him and in his dynamic scrummaging plus around the field,

553
00:27:45,533 --> 00:27:48,173
Speaker 6: so he'll be awesome. And you know, I feel will

554
00:27:48,213 --> 00:27:50,013
Speaker 6: he's good to go as well and back to where

555
00:27:50,053 --> 00:27:54,173
Speaker 6: he was and you get that dynamic sort of ex

556
00:27:54,213 --> 00:27:57,453
Speaker 6: factor from from him and whoever he's worth in our

557
00:27:57,533 --> 00:28:00,173
Speaker 6: luses and it's it's pretty exciting to put together plans

558
00:28:00,213 --> 00:28:02,533
Speaker 6: to get them get their hands as the ball in.

559
00:28:02,493 --> 00:28:05,293
Speaker 3: His hands appreciate you. You won't want to give too

560
00:28:05,373 --> 00:28:08,453
Speaker 3: much way, But how closely do you look at one

561
00:28:08,413 --> 00:28:12,653
Speaker 3: of the rookies Simon Parker, Kyle Preston and and Leroy

562
00:28:12,733 --> 00:28:15,173
Speaker 3: Carter new to the squads, but you know they've had

563
00:28:15,173 --> 00:28:18,853
Speaker 3: a weekend. I'm sure they're pretty keen to go. Yeah.

564
00:28:18,973 --> 00:28:23,213
Speaker 6: Look, but all we've been tracking those boys obviously all

565
00:28:23,213 --> 00:28:27,013
Speaker 6: through super and so with the four I suppose in

566
00:28:27,053 --> 00:28:31,613
Speaker 6: the Nines case five deep with with Finn and and KP.

567
00:28:31,893 --> 00:28:34,693
Speaker 6: But you might have all come in trained really well,

568
00:28:35,013 --> 00:28:38,013
Speaker 6: we've all got lots of energy you know from from Bomford,

569
00:28:38,053 --> 00:28:39,973
Speaker 6: the KP and and Simon in his own way that

570
00:28:40,053 --> 00:28:43,133
Speaker 6: we've got lots of energy. So yeah, they putting the

571
00:28:43,173 --> 00:28:47,493
Speaker 6: best foot forward and putting their hand up. So yeah,

572
00:28:47,493 --> 00:28:49,573
Speaker 6: if they own selection, there'll be no problem there because

573
00:28:49,573 --> 00:28:50,213
Speaker 6: they're ready to go.

574
00:28:51,613 --> 00:28:55,773
Speaker 3: The general theme pretty keen to build combinations and cohesion.

575
00:28:55,773 --> 00:28:58,333
Speaker 3: They're given what's to come and and what you're trying

576
00:28:58,373 --> 00:28:59,333
Speaker 3: to achieve in this tournament.

577
00:28:59,573 --> 00:29:04,053
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, it's it's been good over over the French series. Obviously,

578
00:29:04,693 --> 00:29:09,293
Speaker 6: get people to run and yeah, generally the cohesion is

579
00:29:09,293 --> 00:29:13,573
Speaker 6: important going forward. We're obviously leading through Argentina into another

580
00:29:13,613 --> 00:29:15,893
Speaker 6: four big test matches, especially after what we saw.

581
00:29:15,773 --> 00:29:16,293
Speaker 5: On the weekend.

582
00:29:16,413 --> 00:29:20,453
Speaker 6: So yeah, they've been out able to continually going forward,

583
00:29:21,773 --> 00:29:24,093
Speaker 6: but still form. You know, you have to have to

584
00:29:24,093 --> 00:29:26,573
Speaker 6: be informed because because of the depth and the boys

585
00:29:26,573 --> 00:29:30,693
Speaker 6: pushing you. We've seen that rays not not afraid to

586
00:29:31,013 --> 00:29:33,373
Speaker 6: make changes, you know, based on based on form.

587
00:29:33,493 --> 00:29:36,293
Speaker 5: So yeah, see, whatever's.

588
00:29:37,533 --> 00:29:40,133
Speaker 3: Your your area of expertise at the backs and the

589
00:29:40,213 --> 00:29:43,293
Speaker 3: attack some good things at the weekend and then I

590
00:29:43,293 --> 00:29:45,853
Speaker 3: guess some some clunky things as well. What's your assessment

591
00:29:45,893 --> 00:29:47,813
Speaker 3: of how that's going.

592
00:29:48,213 --> 00:29:53,053
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's fair. Yeah, look, we've I think in.

593
00:29:53,013 --> 00:29:55,493
Speaker 6: The weekend we're a couple of poor decisions and a

594
00:29:55,573 --> 00:29:58,733
Speaker 6: couple of little bits of skill away from from being

595
00:29:58,733 --> 00:29:59,413
Speaker 6: really effective.

596
00:30:00,413 --> 00:30:02,253
Speaker 5: But that's the challenges and at this level we need

597
00:30:02,293 --> 00:30:02,733
Speaker 5: to be better.

598
00:30:02,893 --> 00:30:05,133
Speaker 6: We need to be able to put more moments together

599
00:30:05,133 --> 00:30:08,133
Speaker 6: where we have good skill sets and.

600
00:30:07,293 --> 00:30:10,453
Speaker 5: Then go to with So we're doing a lot of

601
00:30:10,453 --> 00:30:11,893
Speaker 5: good things. The boys are working really.

602
00:30:11,733 --> 00:30:14,853
Speaker 6: Hard and we're just going to make sure we can

603
00:30:15,133 --> 00:30:18,253
Speaker 6: we can do things I suppose be accurate for longer.

604
00:30:19,293 --> 00:30:21,533
Speaker 3: Is it mainly that skill set thing, because if you're

605
00:30:21,813 --> 00:30:25,133
Speaker 3: if a past sticks or the ball's not dropped, that

606
00:30:25,573 --> 00:30:26,893
Speaker 3: the shape looks like it's there.

607
00:30:27,413 --> 00:30:31,333
Speaker 6: Yeah, well we feel like yeah, yeah, we feel like, yeah,

608
00:30:31,333 --> 00:30:33,053
Speaker 6: we've just got to get some continuity in that game,

609
00:30:33,213 --> 00:30:36,693
Speaker 6: and we've got some good ideas around how we get there.

610
00:30:36,733 --> 00:30:40,333
Speaker 6: But I suppose the skill set part is massive skill

611
00:30:40,333 --> 00:30:42,413
Speaker 6: set part of just being able to pass that way

612
00:30:42,453 --> 00:30:44,733
Speaker 6: under pressure, understand that teams are going to want to

613
00:30:44,853 --> 00:30:46,773
Speaker 6: take away our time and space, and understand how to

614
00:30:46,773 --> 00:30:47,053
Speaker 6: beat that.

615
00:30:48,733 --> 00:30:53,373
Speaker 3: Billy Propter a guy you know, well, I guess from

616
00:30:53,373 --> 00:30:58,013
Speaker 3: the outside, maybe it seems like it's taking them some

617
00:30:58,093 --> 00:31:01,253
Speaker 3: time to adjust to Test Rugby. That that happens to

618
00:31:01,253 --> 00:31:05,453
Speaker 3: every run to a degree, it's a new combination At

619
00:31:05,453 --> 00:31:09,213
Speaker 3: Test Rugby, there's less time and space how to assess

620
00:31:09,333 --> 00:31:11,173
Speaker 3: where he's at and how he's going.

621
00:31:11,333 --> 00:31:13,973
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, he's like he's slodling too. The in the

622
00:31:13,973 --> 00:31:16,973
Speaker 6: group really well and it isn't afraid to lead at times,

623
00:31:16,973 --> 00:31:18,813
Speaker 6: you know, around things. He's a real expert on you know,

624
00:31:18,933 --> 00:31:20,613
Speaker 6: especially around the defensive side of the ball.

625
00:31:20,733 --> 00:31:22,573
Speaker 5: So he's been he's been great in the environment.

626
00:31:23,413 --> 00:31:27,253
Speaker 6: I think it's just a you know, we know Billy's

627
00:31:27,253 --> 00:31:29,973
Speaker 6: really consistent and everything he does, and he just needs

628
00:31:30,013 --> 00:31:31,013
Speaker 6: to keep striving to do that.

629
00:31:32,373 --> 00:31:33,973
Speaker 5: You know him and him and Jory have being been

630
00:31:34,053 --> 00:31:34,973
Speaker 5: going really well together.

631
00:31:35,013 --> 00:31:38,253
Speaker 6: But whenever you know any of our other midfielders like

632
00:31:38,293 --> 00:31:40,813
Speaker 6: Big Jim and Quinn and now we've got the chance

633
00:31:40,893 --> 00:31:42,533
Speaker 6: up with lots of pressures. It's a great it's an

634
00:31:42,533 --> 00:31:45,733
Speaker 6: area of great competition. So it's good that the boys

635
00:31:45,733 --> 00:31:47,373
Speaker 6: know they got to they got to front every week.

636
00:31:48,413 --> 00:31:51,213
Speaker 3: The wings as well, are they pretty up for grabs?

637
00:31:51,213 --> 00:31:53,133
Speaker 3: Are just like a lot of areas in the team.

638
00:31:53,173 --> 00:31:55,413
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think generally generally the whole team, I think

639
00:31:55,413 --> 00:31:59,413
Speaker 6: everybody knows that as he coach raises prepared to make

640
00:31:59,493 --> 00:32:01,453
Speaker 6: change and make make big decisions.

641
00:32:01,493 --> 00:32:03,893
Speaker 5: So guys are on edge and know they need the front.

642
00:32:03,933 --> 00:32:05,693
Speaker 5: And the wingers are no different.

643
00:32:05,893 --> 00:32:09,133
Speaker 6: Like you look at the money and and book for

644
00:32:09,413 --> 00:32:12,213
Speaker 6: Leroy who have been around, you know they're training really

645
00:32:12,253 --> 00:32:15,813
Speaker 6: really well. So yeah, that's it's a good place to

646
00:32:15,813 --> 00:32:17,693
Speaker 6: be all throughout their back line that guys know they've

647
00:32:17,693 --> 00:32:18,773
Speaker 6: got to they've got a front.

648
00:32:20,173 --> 00:32:24,053
Speaker 3: What do you expect? You expect much the same this

649
00:32:24,133 --> 00:32:27,333
Speaker 3: week in terms of what the Pomber's brought, as it

650
00:32:27,373 --> 00:32:30,133
Speaker 3: easier to pay for us at a team again when

651
00:32:30,173 --> 00:32:30,933
Speaker 3: you've just played them.

652
00:32:31,173 --> 00:32:32,733
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's easier, it's it's actually been

653
00:32:32,813 --> 00:32:33,293
Speaker 6: quite different.

654
00:32:33,413 --> 00:32:35,933
Speaker 5: We had France three times in a row.

655
00:32:36,813 --> 00:32:39,853
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can't make massive changes, so I think I

656
00:32:39,933 --> 00:32:43,813
Speaker 6: think the Argentinians will be pretty passionate around around the game. Again,

657
00:32:43,853 --> 00:32:46,453
Speaker 6: I think by their own standards, I'd say they might

658
00:32:46,453 --> 00:32:47,813
Speaker 6: have been a little bit off physically in the in

659
00:32:47,853 --> 00:32:50,493
Speaker 6: the first half last week, and probably I think I

660
00:32:50,533 --> 00:32:52,293
Speaker 6: probably heard Old Philipe given them a bit of a

661
00:32:52,333 --> 00:32:53,613
Speaker 6: rover at half time and they're a bit of a

662
00:32:53,653 --> 00:32:57,773
Speaker 6: different theme physically in the second half. But yeah, generally,

663
00:32:57,813 --> 00:33:01,813
Speaker 6: you know, we know each other's game pretty well, but

664
00:33:02,093 --> 00:33:02,573
Speaker 6: we'll make.

665
00:33:02,493 --> 00:33:03,533
Speaker 5: A few tweaks as to.

666
00:33:04,973 --> 00:33:06,893
Speaker 6: Maybe get a little bit elder a surprise so that

667
00:33:06,933 --> 00:33:08,253
Speaker 6: we can we can hurt them in difference, But.

668
00:33:09,813 --> 00:33:11,093
Speaker 5: It's going to be the same. It's going to be

669
00:33:11,093 --> 00:33:11,893
Speaker 5: a physical battle.

670
00:33:12,733 --> 00:33:14,373
Speaker 6: You're going to have to be on and give them

671
00:33:14,373 --> 00:33:15,933
Speaker 6: nothing easier otherwise they'll hurt us.

672
00:33:16,533 --> 00:33:20,973
Speaker 3: The full pack's going pretty well, scrum dominant, line out,

673
00:33:21,013 --> 00:33:24,333
Speaker 3: winning ball and three mall tries are laying a pretty

674
00:33:24,333 --> 00:33:24,853
Speaker 3: good platform.

675
00:33:25,573 --> 00:33:27,773
Speaker 6: Set piece was pretty pretty awesome in the weekly one.

676
00:33:27,853 --> 00:33:33,053
Speaker 6: It Yeah, and it obviously provides provides the good the

677
00:33:33,053 --> 00:33:35,053
Speaker 6: good malls and the and the good scrum, but also

678
00:33:35,093 --> 00:33:37,813
Speaker 6: gives us the option to tie forwards in and create

679
00:33:37,853 --> 00:33:40,253
Speaker 6: space in other parts of the field. So I make

680
00:33:40,333 --> 00:33:41,973
Speaker 6: the boys doing a great job up the up front,

681
00:33:42,013 --> 00:33:44,133
Speaker 6: and I need to keep driving that.

682
00:33:46,533 --> 00:33:48,933
Speaker 3: I appreciate your focus is totally on this test, but

683
00:33:49,053 --> 00:33:52,613
Speaker 3: as a coach, to keep one eye on South Riklin

684
00:33:52,653 --> 00:33:55,013
Speaker 3: and Australia. It was a hell of an upsets in

685
00:33:55,533 --> 00:33:57,893
Speaker 3: Alice Park. And you know, you guys go home and

686
00:33:57,933 --> 00:34:01,413
Speaker 3: play two sets against the spring Box. There is a

687
00:34:01,653 --> 00:34:05,573
Speaker 3: I don't know, part of your brain that's analyzing that

688
00:34:05,773 --> 00:34:08,093
Speaker 3: even even though you've got this test at hand.

689
00:34:08,413 --> 00:34:11,493
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, yeah, you know, ninety five percent focused

690
00:34:11,493 --> 00:34:13,453
Speaker 6: on what you've got here, but you know, I always

691
00:34:13,493 --> 00:34:14,493
Speaker 6: going to have a bit of a look at who's

692
00:34:14,493 --> 00:34:16,893
Speaker 6: the next opposition. That's just the nature of the game.

693
00:34:16,973 --> 00:34:19,253
Speaker 6: So you know, having keep and nice and I haven't

694
00:34:19,253 --> 00:34:20,893
Speaker 6: seen the game from the weekend yet. It sort of

695
00:34:20,893 --> 00:34:23,733
Speaker 6: obviously happened when we were getting ready and I saw

696
00:34:23,773 --> 00:34:27,933
Speaker 6: a few highlights around. Ozzie scored some you know, quite

697
00:34:28,133 --> 00:34:30,453
Speaker 6: opportunity to strives by the locks and took every opportunity

698
00:34:30,533 --> 00:34:30,773
Speaker 6: that came.

699
00:34:30,933 --> 00:34:34,453
Speaker 5: It must have been an awesome game, but mate, they're both.

700
00:34:35,413 --> 00:34:38,013
Speaker 6: There's going to be four awesome test matches to finish

701
00:34:38,013 --> 00:34:40,813
Speaker 6: the TRC, so it's all up for grabs. But you know,

702
00:34:40,853 --> 00:34:42,413
Speaker 6: the box will be better next week. And I was

703
00:34:42,453 --> 00:34:47,413
Speaker 6: here obviously, you know, playing some great rugby, so all

704
00:34:47,413 --> 00:34:49,813
Speaker 6: to look forward to.

705
00:34:49,853 --> 00:34:51,613
Speaker 3: Just lastly, I guess, in terms of when you come

706
00:34:51,613 --> 00:34:56,293
Speaker 3: off a win, how do you approach the week same

707
00:34:56,293 --> 00:35:01,933
Speaker 3: opposition as a total reset and how how satisfying it

708
00:35:01,973 --> 00:35:04,653
Speaker 3: would it be to go home with two victories from

709
00:35:04,693 --> 00:35:07,533
Speaker 3: from Argentina because it's an increasingly tough place to come

710
00:35:07,533 --> 00:35:11,173
Speaker 3: given the amosphere, given their improvement under Felipe over the

711
00:35:11,213 --> 00:35:12,653
Speaker 3: last year in particular.

712
00:35:13,013 --> 00:35:15,773
Speaker 6: Yeah, I suppose, Yeah, it might be that's what we

713
00:35:15,813 --> 00:35:18,573
Speaker 6: came here for and it's it's what you know, it

714
00:35:18,693 --> 00:35:21,853
Speaker 6: was aimed to win twice over here, so it would

715
00:35:21,853 --> 00:35:28,573
Speaker 6: be really satisfying. Yeah, look, it's looking forward to looking

716
00:35:28,573 --> 00:35:29,853
Speaker 6: forward after that is what we're doing.

717
00:35:29,893 --> 00:35:30,053
Speaker 5: The way.

718
00:35:30,053 --> 00:35:32,093
Speaker 6: We've got a week off between the Argentina game and

719
00:35:32,133 --> 00:35:35,133
Speaker 6: the South African games, So yeah, happy, were happy when

720
00:35:35,173 --> 00:35:37,133
Speaker 6: we're at We've gotta we've got to be their best

721
00:35:37,133 --> 00:35:40,293
Speaker 6: again to beat Argentina on the weekend and and then

722
00:35:40,333 --> 00:35:43,693
Speaker 6: we'll we'll look into what comes after that, but you know,

723
00:35:43,693 --> 00:35:45,853
Speaker 6: the boys need to be excited about what's coming with

724
00:35:45,853 --> 00:35:47,733
Speaker 6: with the ARGI in the weekend and then and then

725
00:35:47,733 --> 00:35:48,973
Speaker 6: the recidity I see.

726
00:35:49,253 --> 00:35:51,093
Speaker 2: We'll come back on Rugby Direct very shortly. We've got

727
00:35:51,093 --> 00:35:52,653
Speaker 2: to talk the box, we've got to talk to Wallabies

728
00:35:52,693 --> 00:35:55,413
Speaker 2: and we're gonna talk the Women's World Cup after this.

729
00:35:55,413 --> 00:35:59,933
Speaker 1: This is Rugby Direct, a podcast for real rugby fans.

730
00:36:02,213 --> 00:36:05,853
Speaker 2: Every drive, drive and sixty sec, every tackle back, the tackle,

731
00:36:05,933 --> 00:36:06,773
Speaker 2: feet up again.

732
00:36:10,013 --> 00:36:11,973
Speaker 4: Before it's Ruy Direct.

733
00:36:13,653 --> 00:36:17,773
Speaker 2: You're back with Rugby Direct, powered by four Cliffs Solutions. Well,

734
00:36:17,933 --> 00:36:21,813
Speaker 2: this was a hell of an upset Mapes. I don't

735
00:36:21,813 --> 00:36:24,533
Speaker 2: think any saw this coming, especially at twenty two zip

736
00:36:24,653 --> 00:36:29,293
Speaker 2: down the Wallabies beating the spring Box. This was quite

737
00:36:29,333 --> 00:36:34,333
Speaker 2: incredible at Alice Park to see the Wallabies find something

738
00:36:34,373 --> 00:36:38,573
Speaker 2: that they haven't really had for twenty odd years and

739
00:36:38,653 --> 00:36:40,653
Speaker 2: it was you know, it was to me. To me,

740
00:36:40,773 --> 00:36:42,533
Speaker 2: I think it was their best win probably since the

741
00:36:42,773 --> 00:36:45,853
Speaker 2: three World Cup semi final against the All Blacks. In

742
00:36:45,893 --> 00:36:48,573
Speaker 2: all honesty, that was, you know, the Wallabies of old

743
00:36:49,213 --> 00:36:50,693
Speaker 2: at Alice Park. What did you make of it?

744
00:36:52,053 --> 00:36:55,693
Speaker 3: I saw Tim Horn tweet something that he has never

745
00:36:55,733 --> 00:37:00,053
Speaker 3: been more proud of the Wallabies post retirement, so you're

746
00:37:00,053 --> 00:37:03,133
Speaker 3: probably on the money there with your comparison to go

747
00:37:03,213 --> 00:37:05,853
Speaker 3: back as far as three in terms of a Wallaby's

748
00:37:05,893 --> 00:37:09,293
Speaker 3: performance to really fly the flag, they did turn up.

749
00:37:10,133 --> 00:37:11,813
Speaker 4: Relatedly in that line.

750
00:37:11,573 --> 00:37:14,013
Speaker 3: Series, you could argue they could have, would have should

751
00:37:14,013 --> 00:37:15,853
Speaker 3: have won the second Test, and they did win the third.

752
00:37:15,973 --> 00:37:19,453
Speaker 3: So there have been massive sids of improvement from this

753
00:37:19,533 --> 00:37:22,533
Speaker 3: Wallaby side. But I still don't think anyone really gave

754
00:37:22,573 --> 00:37:25,373
Speaker 3: them a chance of going to Alice Park and winning

755
00:37:25,413 --> 00:37:28,653
Speaker 3: that Test. They were depleted going back to James O'Connor

756
00:37:28,693 --> 00:37:29,253
Speaker 3: at first five.

757
00:37:29,293 --> 00:37:30,853
Speaker 4: There are a lot of question marks about that.

758
00:37:32,453 --> 00:37:36,253
Speaker 3: Pretty down on the ranks elsewhere as well, and then

759
00:37:36,333 --> 00:37:38,653
Speaker 3: down twenty two no. I was messaging a few chat

760
00:37:38,653 --> 00:37:42,133
Speaker 3: groups saying shit, the Wallaby is again pumped here and

761
00:37:42,653 --> 00:37:45,053
Speaker 3: low and behold. They go on to score thirty eight

762
00:37:45,253 --> 00:37:49,493
Speaker 3: unanswered points to blow away the world champions on home soil,

763
00:37:49,773 --> 00:37:55,853
Speaker 3: at their spiritual home. Just an absolutely phenomenal result. A

764
00:37:55,893 --> 00:37:58,773
Speaker 3: word on the spring box. Just bizarre tactics from me.

765
00:37:58,893 --> 00:38:03,013
Speaker 3: I don't know whether it's Tony Brown's influence or what

766
00:38:03,053 --> 00:38:06,173
Speaker 3: it was, but they went so far away from their strengths.

767
00:38:06,413 --> 00:38:09,253
Speaker 3: We talk about the balance of the Blacks game and

768
00:38:09,293 --> 00:38:12,413
Speaker 3: where their strength lies. Well, the Springbox tried to play

769
00:38:12,453 --> 00:38:15,613
Speaker 3: all the rugby was a money La box through the

770
00:38:15,653 --> 00:38:21,053
Speaker 3: intercept to Joseph sue Lee didn't have his best out

771
00:38:21,093 --> 00:38:24,373
Speaker 3: at ten, but there was so many performers for the

772
00:38:24,373 --> 00:38:28,933
Speaker 3: Wallabies went there. Tom Wright superb, Max Jorgensen on the wing,

773
00:38:29,013 --> 00:38:33,933
Speaker 3: Harry Wilson leading from the fronts just a magnificent result

774
00:38:33,973 --> 00:38:37,693
Speaker 3: that you know, really lights up the Rugby Championship, doesn't it.

775
00:38:37,693 --> 00:38:40,213
Speaker 2: It certainly does, and you're right, no one predicted it,

776
00:38:40,493 --> 00:38:45,013
Speaker 2: really and yet the Wallabies came and delivered and it

777
00:38:45,053 --> 00:38:47,693
Speaker 2: was such a bizarre spring Box performance. It was like

778
00:38:47,733 --> 00:38:51,453
Speaker 2: there they've been taken of by aliens after half an

779
00:38:51,453 --> 00:38:54,293
Speaker 2: hour or whatever. In that game, and especially in the

780
00:38:54,333 --> 00:38:56,773
Speaker 2: second spell that they was trying to play a lot

781
00:38:56,773 --> 00:39:00,253
Speaker 2: of rugby when that is not necessarily the spring Box way.

782
00:39:00,333 --> 00:39:02,973
Speaker 2: And you look at the stats post game, you know

783
00:39:03,013 --> 00:39:05,213
Speaker 2: they carried the ball one hundred and thirty nine times

784
00:39:05,213 --> 00:39:08,773
Speaker 2: compared to the Wallabys forty seven. They pass a lot

785
00:39:08,813 --> 00:39:12,733
Speaker 2: more than kicked. Their ratio to kicking was well outside

786
00:39:12,893 --> 00:39:16,653
Speaker 2: the Wallabies. It just it felt like a Springbok performance

787
00:39:16,693 --> 00:39:19,813
Speaker 2: where they thought they were going to win and it

788
00:39:19,893 --> 00:39:22,293
Speaker 2: was an opportunity to maybe try a few tactics that

789
00:39:22,293 --> 00:39:24,373
Speaker 2: they had up their sleeve, with an eye to the

790
00:39:24,373 --> 00:39:27,373
Speaker 2: all Blacks, with an eye to quote unquote bigger challenges ahead,

791
00:39:27,413 --> 00:39:31,013
Speaker 2: and they ultimately came undone. And you know, I think

792
00:39:31,013 --> 00:39:33,333
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of you know, in Rassi erasmus is.

793
00:39:33,973 --> 00:39:36,413
Speaker 2: I think the phrase was dog shit or something like

794
00:39:36,413 --> 00:39:39,373
Speaker 2: that that he used. And you never will see the Springboks,

795
00:39:39,373 --> 00:39:41,133
Speaker 2: they don't think play that badly again in a rugby

796
00:39:41,213 --> 00:39:44,013
Speaker 2: championship game. It was like the souls evaporated them and

797
00:39:44,053 --> 00:39:46,653
Speaker 2: they forgot to how to play springbox rugby. But to me,

798
00:39:46,693 --> 00:39:48,213
Speaker 2: it felt like there was something bigger at played that

799
00:39:48,253 --> 00:39:51,133
Speaker 2: maybe they were trying to trial things, thinking this game

800
00:39:51,253 --> 00:39:54,173
Speaker 2: was going to be an easier win, and they ultimately

801
00:39:54,213 --> 00:39:54,893
Speaker 2: came unstuck.

802
00:39:56,413 --> 00:39:59,653
Speaker 3: I think there's a bit of arrogance, to be honest, elliot.

803
00:39:59,693 --> 00:40:02,013
Speaker 3: I think, well, when you're twenty two and all up,

804
00:40:02,093 --> 00:40:04,613
Speaker 3: I think you rightly think that you're on a roll,

805
00:40:05,093 --> 00:40:08,893
Speaker 3: that you're gone unassailable league. The match was in the bag,

806
00:40:08,933 --> 00:40:12,493
Speaker 3: and I think that's how it all came so easy

807
00:40:12,493 --> 00:40:16,173
Speaker 3: for the Springboks too. See Calisi just waltzing through some

808
00:40:16,213 --> 00:40:19,533
Speaker 3: really soft defense. They was scoring tries it will and

809
00:40:19,853 --> 00:40:24,693
Speaker 3: the way they played with reckless abandon really did play

810
00:40:24,693 --> 00:40:27,733
Speaker 3: into the Wallaby's hands. So I think what we also

811
00:40:27,853 --> 00:40:32,173
Speaker 3: saw is probably their preparation for that test. They hadn't

812
00:40:32,213 --> 00:40:35,173
Speaker 3: been put under pressure. They played Italy and Georgia leading

813
00:40:35,173 --> 00:40:37,933
Speaker 3: into that game, and it really did feel like there

814
00:40:37,973 --> 00:40:40,613
Speaker 3: was panic in the ranks as the Wallabys came back.

815
00:40:40,613 --> 00:40:43,013
Speaker 3: They didn't have any answers. There was a lack of composure,

816
00:40:43,413 --> 00:40:46,173
Speaker 3: lack of leadership. They didn't get you know, the bomb

817
00:40:46,253 --> 00:40:51,493
Speaker 3: squad was nullified Russia. Russmus named his team on the Monday,

818
00:40:52,093 --> 00:40:55,453
Speaker 3: and I think that's that sort of messaging perhaps seeped

819
00:40:55,453 --> 00:41:00,973
Speaker 3: through the squads and into that performance. So he'll be

820
00:41:00,973 --> 00:41:04,613
Speaker 3: tearing down the walls. You'd hate to be a player

821
00:41:05,253 --> 00:41:07,733
Speaker 3: if you've seen the footage of him really tearing shreds

822
00:41:07,733 --> 00:41:10,173
Speaker 3: off them during what was at the twenty twenty three

823
00:41:10,213 --> 00:41:10,733
Speaker 3: World Cup.

824
00:41:10,773 --> 00:41:12,053
Speaker 4: After there, I think.

825
00:41:11,893 --> 00:41:15,333
Speaker 3: It was at the pool loss to Ireland's saying they

826
00:41:15,333 --> 00:41:18,253
Speaker 3: didn't care and that the mums at home were embarrassed. Well,

827
00:41:18,453 --> 00:41:19,893
Speaker 3: what's he going to be like this week?

828
00:41:20,173 --> 00:41:23,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's going to be some hair drivers in the

829
00:41:23,973 --> 00:41:26,253
Speaker 2: changing rooms. You would think this week in the spring

830
00:41:26,253 --> 00:41:28,293
Speaker 2: box you would suspect, well, I don't think he's going

831
00:41:28,333 --> 00:41:30,733
Speaker 2: to name his team on a Monday again, but you

832
00:41:30,813 --> 00:41:33,253
Speaker 2: never know. It's Rassi and they would have to make

833
00:41:33,293 --> 00:41:36,253
Speaker 2: some changes this week. I'm not sure Marley Libok is

834
00:41:36,693 --> 00:41:40,413
Speaker 2: the test ten that the Springboks need with the style

835
00:41:40,453 --> 00:41:41,893
Speaker 2: that they usually want to play.

836
00:41:43,413 --> 00:41:46,973
Speaker 3: No, I agree, And I don't know how close guys

837
00:41:47,013 --> 00:41:50,293
Speaker 3: like Damian Delende were and how much of an influence

838
00:41:51,373 --> 00:41:55,253
Speaker 3: they may have made, but I think Andre pollad' is

839
00:41:55,293 --> 00:41:57,813
Speaker 3: still their best test ten for me. I don't know

840
00:41:58,453 --> 00:42:01,293
Speaker 3: how far away he is, whether that was a tactical

841
00:42:01,333 --> 00:42:03,733
Speaker 3: decision or not, but.

842
00:42:04,253 --> 00:42:06,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, give credit to the Wallabies.

843
00:42:06,293 --> 00:42:08,653
Speaker 3: Anytime you're twenty two all down, they could have dropped

844
00:42:08,653 --> 00:42:14,573
Speaker 3: their heads, drop their bundles, their altitude and been completely humiliated,

845
00:42:15,573 --> 00:42:18,613
Speaker 3: and instead they rallied And I think that says a

846
00:42:18,613 --> 00:42:22,453
Speaker 3: lot about what Joe Schmidt's built with that team. And Jeez,

847
00:42:22,733 --> 00:42:26,053
Speaker 3: Rugby Australia, you know, you'd have to think they should

848
00:42:26,053 --> 00:42:29,333
Speaker 3: be doing everything they can to tap up twiggy forest.

849
00:42:30,333 --> 00:42:30,533
Speaker 4: You know.

850
00:42:30,813 --> 00:42:33,773
Speaker 3: Mortgage, the mortgage, the Mines do everything they can to

851
00:42:33,813 --> 00:42:40,293
Speaker 3: get them to stay because he's done an amazing rebuild,

852
00:42:40,293 --> 00:42:41,293
Speaker 3: hasn't there with that team?

853
00:42:41,733 --> 00:42:44,573
Speaker 2: He certainly has. Yeah, it's been been nothing short of remarkable.

854
00:42:44,693 --> 00:42:48,813
Speaker 2: And you know with the with the rugby championship now

855
00:42:48,853 --> 00:42:51,173
Speaker 2: flipped on its head, it makes you know the coming

856
00:42:51,213 --> 00:42:54,013
Speaker 2: weeks very very interesting and she'd expect I forget to

857
00:42:54,053 --> 00:42:56,173
Speaker 2: probably balance back this week. But with an eye to

858
00:42:56,213 --> 00:42:58,573
Speaker 2: the blood is low, Liam and two legs, one at

859
00:42:58,693 --> 00:43:01,013
Speaker 2: Eden Park, one in Perth, that all of a sudden,

860
00:43:01,333 --> 00:43:03,293
Speaker 2: not that it's not always interesting the blood is low,

861
00:43:03,373 --> 00:43:06,213
Speaker 2: but you know, knowing the spring Box Wallabies have that

862
00:43:06,253 --> 00:43:07,933
Speaker 2: one of the spring Box in their back pocket. It

863
00:43:08,093 --> 00:43:09,733
Speaker 2: just it's a little bit extra spice.

864
00:43:11,053 --> 00:43:11,893
Speaker 4: Oh it does indeed.

865
00:43:11,973 --> 00:43:14,213
Speaker 3: And look the Pumas weren't at the best of the

866
00:43:14,213 --> 00:43:16,733
Speaker 3: weekend either, but they'll pull off a result in this

867
00:43:16,813 --> 00:43:17,573
Speaker 3: tournament as well.

868
00:43:17,653 --> 00:43:19,453
Speaker 4: So it's a fascinating rugby championship.

869
00:43:19,693 --> 00:43:22,453
Speaker 3: What about all that result, the wall we's beaten, the

870
00:43:23,213 --> 00:43:25,893
Speaker 3: stunning the spring Box, the All Blacks regain the world

871
00:43:25,973 --> 00:43:29,893
Speaker 3: number one title, do they deserve it doesn't matter.

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00:43:29,893 --> 00:43:31,013
Speaker 4: Do we put any stock on that?

873
00:43:32,213 --> 00:43:35,573
Speaker 2: Not overly because it could very well change you know

874
00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:38,213
Speaker 2: in a week's time. I'm not sure if the ranking permutations,

875
00:43:38,213 --> 00:43:40,613
Speaker 2: but I think it's pretty tight at the top, and

876
00:43:40,693 --> 00:43:44,133
Speaker 2: if the All Blacks sorry South Africa win then they

877
00:43:44,133 --> 00:43:46,253
Speaker 2: could go back this week. And if the All Blacks win,

878
00:43:46,493 --> 00:43:49,213
Speaker 2: they may not retain the ranking. It is so tight

879
00:43:49,253 --> 00:43:51,013
Speaker 2: at the top. What I think it does illustrate, though,

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00:43:51,493 --> 00:43:54,413
Speaker 2: is the tightness of world rugby at the moment. We

881
00:43:54,453 --> 00:43:56,733
Speaker 2: probably haven't seen a time like this. I mean, we

882
00:43:56,853 --> 00:43:59,213
Speaker 2: talked for twenty minutes at the start of the podcast

883
00:43:59,253 --> 00:44:01,333
Speaker 2: that the All Blacks aren't playing their best rugby, but

884
00:44:01,413 --> 00:44:04,733
Speaker 2: their ranks top of the world, so there are certainly

885
00:44:04,813 --> 00:44:07,453
Speaker 2: things to improve on. But I think ultimately it just

886
00:44:07,493 --> 00:44:10,013
Speaker 2: does show how type the thing is, the type the

887
00:44:10,133 --> 00:44:13,093
Speaker 2: rankings are, and how tight the world game is at

888
00:44:13,093 --> 00:44:15,373
Speaker 2: the moment. When it could have been three teams at

889
00:44:15,453 --> 00:44:17,653
Speaker 2: number one yesterday the spring Box the All Blacks if

890
00:44:17,653 --> 00:44:19,413
Speaker 2: they had lost, would have been Ireland would have gone

891
00:44:19,413 --> 00:44:21,853
Speaker 2: to number one. So it's a real squeeze at the

892
00:44:21,893 --> 00:44:24,373
Speaker 2: moment and hard to know put too much stock into

893
00:44:24,373 --> 00:44:25,933
Speaker 2: it week to week, But maybe if you're sitting up

894
00:44:25,933 --> 00:44:28,213
Speaker 2: there at the end of the calendar year, you go

895
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Speaker 2: that's an achievement and a job well done from the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks or whoever setting up the top.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I tend to agree. I think to take the

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00:44:36,933 --> 00:44:37,533
Speaker 4: man too, you.

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Speaker 3: Need to defeat the champions and so the All Blacks

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00:44:43,373 --> 00:44:46,573
Speaker 3: won't be satisfied with their performance and they've got bigger

901
00:44:46,573 --> 00:44:49,093
Speaker 3: fish to fry in many respects, don't they with the

902
00:44:49,693 --> 00:44:53,813
Speaker 3: I think they'd rather win the Rugby Championship title then

903
00:44:53,893 --> 00:44:56,893
Speaker 3: be deemed world number one. I think you're right that

904
00:44:57,133 --> 00:44:59,253
Speaker 3: it does mean something at the end of a calendar year,

905
00:44:59,333 --> 00:45:01,573
Speaker 3: because things can change so rapidly.

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Speaker 2: Finally, on Rugby Directly, Women's Rugby World Cut poised to

907
00:45:06,253 --> 00:45:10,453
Speaker 2: get under way later this week. Saturday morning, New Zealand

908
00:45:10,453 --> 00:45:13,133
Speaker 2: time England in the United States kick off the Blackfurn's

909
00:45:13,133 --> 00:45:17,373
Speaker 2: first game as next Monday morning against Spain half past four.

910
00:45:18,013 --> 00:45:20,693
Speaker 2: As they get their campaign underway. They have Japan the

911
00:45:20,773 --> 00:45:23,773
Speaker 2: following week. Look that first game LAMB, a game that

912
00:45:23,773 --> 00:45:27,333
Speaker 2: New Zealand should win and win well and should bank

913
00:45:27,773 --> 00:45:30,413
Speaker 2: the five points and get their tournament off to a

914
00:45:30,413 --> 00:45:32,413
Speaker 2: good start. But from a Women's World Cup mean this

915
00:45:32,493 --> 00:45:34,533
Speaker 2: is going to be a big tournament. In the UK,

916
00:45:35,133 --> 00:45:39,093
Speaker 2: Women's Rugby's Grand exponentially over the last decade or thereabouts.

917
00:45:39,413 --> 00:45:41,973
Speaker 2: This promises to be quite a special tournament that maybe

918
00:45:42,013 --> 00:45:44,893
Speaker 2: we haven't seen the likes of in women's rugby before

919
00:45:44,933 --> 00:45:47,373
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. Played in twenty twenty two in New

920
00:45:47,453 --> 00:45:50,373
Speaker 2: Zealand was a great tournament, but it was over three

921
00:45:50,533 --> 00:45:52,773
Speaker 2: venues and obviously the finals Read and Park were a

922
00:45:52,813 --> 00:45:56,453
Speaker 2: great success. But feels like the interest level in England

923
00:45:56,533 --> 00:45:59,053
Speaker 2: is higher than it is anywhere around the globe, so

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00:45:59,453 --> 00:46:01,173
Speaker 2: it should be a pretty special tournament.

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00:46:02,213 --> 00:46:04,933
Speaker 3: That's right, Ellie, and I think it's a sign of

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Speaker 3: the support in the UK and Europe in particular for

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Speaker 3: women's sport. Football is the same the English women's football

928
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Speaker 3: team going and winning the Euros and the support they

929
00:46:18,093 --> 00:46:21,653
Speaker 3: received and the parades when they came home, and that'll

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00:46:21,693 --> 00:46:24,813
Speaker 3: be rerecated with the English rugby team. I think they'll

931
00:46:24,853 --> 00:46:28,493
Speaker 3: go close to selling out twicking them come the business

932
00:46:28,613 --> 00:46:31,053
Speaker 3: end of that tournament. It will be really well supported.

933
00:46:31,053 --> 00:46:35,293
Speaker 3: The Black Ferns the traveling affair, but aren't they getting

934
00:46:35,333 --> 00:46:38,533
Speaker 3: around England. I think they're in York for the opening

935
00:46:38,573 --> 00:46:41,373
Speaker 3: ceremony at the moments, and we'll travel around the country

936
00:46:41,453 --> 00:46:47,053
Speaker 3: and they'll feel that support and the buzz around the tournament.

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00:46:47,093 --> 00:46:50,453
Speaker 3: There's nothing quite like a World Cup, so very interesting

938
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Speaker 3: to see how they go. Just to just one word

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Speaker 3: on I read a piece from Oslot in The Times

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Speaker 3: about the South African First five and just a truly

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00:47:00,813 --> 00:47:04,973
Speaker 3: remarkable story of how she was left as a baby

942
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Speaker 3: at an orphanage and how Rugby's had a massive influence

943
00:47:10,013 --> 00:47:12,613
Speaker 3: on her life and career and she still hasn't hasn't

944
00:47:12,653 --> 00:47:16,373
Speaker 3: made appearance. So it's just one of those really unique stories.

945
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Speaker 3: And I guess you know something that is quite unique

946
00:47:20,813 --> 00:47:24,493
Speaker 3: to South Africa. Those sorts of tales are more common

947
00:47:24,533 --> 00:47:28,253
Speaker 3: than other parts of the world. So yeah, really interesting

948
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Speaker 3: insights and amazing story of how she's grown her life

949
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Speaker 3: and got herself to the world stage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like a fascinating story and read that,

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Speaker 2: so I'll go and catch up on it. Liam, thanks

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Speaker 2: as always for your time and enjoy the week ahead

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Speaker 2: and we'll catch up again soon here on Rugby Director.

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Speaker 2: I thanks to Lars and Buzz English and Rugby Director

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