1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: There are a lot of remarkable things about that sea 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: word column yesterday, and one of them is that it 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: is still up online and apparently no one is sorry 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: for this. Now, if you haven't seen this column, let 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: me get you up to speed on this. Yesterday, Sunday 6 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Star Times columnist Andrea Advance did something that I would 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: venture no other mainstream columnist has ever done in this country. 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: She called a minister of the Crown a sea word 9 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: in the newspaper. I shouldn't write the sea word out, 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: she wrote, se dot dot dot. The subject of it 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: was the gender pay equity revamp. The minister was Nikola Willison. 12 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: Andrea wrote, turns out you can have it all so 13 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: long as you're prepared to be a sa dot dot dot. Now, 14 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to start explaining to you 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: how wild it is that that happened yesterday, that Andrea 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: dropped the sea bomb in the Sunday Star Times. That 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: word is the second most banned word on radio. We 18 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 1: are not allowed to say it. Like if we say it, 19 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: go to town on us complain because somebody is going 20 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: to get in a huge amount of trouble and we 21 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: will be saying sorry. But at least on the radio. 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: To some extent, I think we have the defense of 23 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: being able to say, hey, look, it was the heat 24 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: of the moment and the words slipped out of my mouth. 25 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: That is not what happens in newspapers, right. Words don't 26 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: just slip out onto the paper. You write it down, 27 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: you consider it, you rewrite it, you reread it, you 28 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: make sure that every single word is exactly what you 29 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: mean to say. It is nothing about that is in 30 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: the heat of the moment. And then you send it 31 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: to your editors, and your editors read it and they 32 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: look at it and they go, yep, that's okay. That 33 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: can go in the newspaper. And that is what happened. Now. 34 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm not a prude. I am not offended by swearing. 35 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: I swear myself, and I have also done exactly what 36 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: Andrew has done. I have said things about ministers that 37 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said, and I've regretted and I've apologized 38 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: for it. But this is out of hand what has 39 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: happened here. There has to be some decorum. I mean, 40 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,279 Speaker 1: we can hardly complain about anonymous trolls on social media 41 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: attacking our female politicians when our very own columnists do 42 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: it in print with their names attached to it, and 43 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: reverse this. By the way, if you're not offended by 44 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: I feel like now she had a coming to her, 45 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: reverse it, reverse it. Imagine it was Jacinda. Imagine that 46 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: a columnist had written this about Jasinda. How much outrage 47 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: that would have caused, How canceled that person would have been. 48 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: There were other sea words we weren't allowed to say 49 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: about you, Cinda, Cindy was one of them. Communist was 50 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: another one. And if you said either of the people 51 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: would flip out. Well, imagine how people would have flipped 52 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: out if we'd said the sea word. It is very 53 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: hard to respect an argument about how Nicola Willis isn't 54 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: a real feminist in a column that attacks her in 55 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: the most unfeminist way. Right, it uses the most gendered 56 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: put down that you can think of. It uses terms 57 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: like girl math to basically suggest that she can't balance 58 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: the country's books because she's a woman. Now, for the record, 59 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: I think Andrea Vants is a fantastic journalist and an 60 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: incredibly incisive opinion writer, and I think that her editor, 61 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: Tracy Watkins, is the best at what she does. But 62 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: this was a mistake. And it lets everyone down when 63 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: we drag the tone down that badly. 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