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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Elevate the

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Speaker 1: marketing of your home on the Huddle with us.

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Speaker 2: This evening, we've got Allie Jones, Red pr and Ryan

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Speaker 2: Bridge Early Edition host.

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Speaker 3: Hello you too, good evening, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Are you nervous? Ryan?

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Speaker 4: No, I'm just surprised to hear that there's a what

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Speaker 4: sounds to me like a COREW lounge that I wasn't

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Speaker 4: invited to at the airports.

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Speaker 3: What is this parents' lounge?

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Speaker 2: Mate? It smells of pooh? Do you really want to

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Speaker 2: hang out there? It's baby pooh? Ah?

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Speaker 4: Right, Okay, the whole about that, well, I've heard that

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Speaker 4: there's a kitchen. I hear that there's curtains you can

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Speaker 4: go and have some privacy. There's a playpen apparently.

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Speaker 3: At this Yeah. Yeah, have you never been to it?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: See, I'm obviously not invited, so I don't.

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Speaker 2: Hang out in poo rooms?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Ryan? Can I can? I just say? Ryan? You

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Speaker 5: need to listen to Heather. It is not a room

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Speaker 5: you want to be in, Okay. And it smells definitely

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Speaker 5: of pooh and old formula.

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Speaker 4: So so, so we're hang on so that the people

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Speaker 4: eating their food. Are the ones that are getting in

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Speaker 4: trouble but their parents making it smell like shit?

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Speaker 2: Aren't This is a good point, like the people who

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Speaker 2: are actually having to really just you know, do the

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Speaker 2: hard yards to actually get food in their tummy. Is

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Speaker 2: not the baby making the stink. It's the person who's

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Speaker 2: going into the pool room to use the microwave. I

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Speaker 2: feel like this is unfair, Ryan, Do you think it's unfair?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I interestingly saw a story the other day that they're

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Speaker 4: building toilets for bus drivers in Wellington because they are

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Speaker 4: on the road all the time. So I think there

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Speaker 4: is a wider issue here where if you're on the

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Speaker 4: road in the car, you're doing a ten hour shift.

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Speaker 3: Do they need kitchens as well?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Maybe like a staff room do you think, Ali, No, Well,

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Speaker 5: I think that they shouldn't be using the parents room.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's unfair to expect workers not to

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Speaker 5: be using a space that's there for families and for babies.

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Speaker 5: You need a staff room, like you just said. And

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Speaker 5: I actually think that the taxi people and the airport

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Speaker 5: people should you know, get over themselves, speak to one

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Speaker 5: another and provide space.

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Speaker 2: Don't they use it? Nobody's in there, and it's like

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Speaker 2: even if people are in there, because it seems like

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Speaker 2: multiple people can be in there at one time, and

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Speaker 2: if the microwave's not being used for three minutes, why

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Speaker 2: can't they.

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Speaker 5: Because it's either a family room or it's a staff room,

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Speaker 5: and you can't say, well, someone's going to come up

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Speaker 5: there's someone in there, they're going to go away. I

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Speaker 5: don't think so. It's either a family room or it's

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Speaker 5: a staff room. But they do need to have a space.

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Speaker 5: Of course they do if they're doing ten hour shifts

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Speaker 5: out there. But I think that's on the taxi companies

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Speaker 5: to speak to the airport and sort of space out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that what does hear?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: The airport's the egregious one here on the GDP figure, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: are you were all surprised to see the economy went

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Speaker 2: back in the second quarter?

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Speaker 4: No, I was surprised to say it didn't go further. Worryingly,

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Speaker 4: it's the per capita number that's the shaker, right, two

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Speaker 4: point seven percent year on here, I was thinking today,

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Speaker 4: what is it that will make me spend more? It's

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Speaker 4: Adrian or the mortgages obviously, which hopefully we're going to

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Speaker 4: get some more put in it coming later in the year.

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Speaker 4: It's our boss here, Jason. You know how much is

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Speaker 4: he paying me? How stable is my job?

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Speaker 2: You've been here too, U isn't it like two months

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Speaker 2: and you're basically already putting out a shout out to

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Speaker 2: Jason for a pay rise.

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Speaker 4: Hey, start early, you know, go hard, go early, and

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Speaker 4: then it's you know, these are the things so that

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Speaker 4: people think about when it's how much am I going

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Speaker 4: to spend? And that's essentially what we need to do

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Speaker 4: to get ourselves out of this is to go out

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Speaker 4: and spend more. But yeah, that needs that requires confidence.

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Speaker 4: And so the Reserve Bank making cuts on the ocr

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Speaker 4: not only just put money in your back pocket, but

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Speaker 4: your house price will go up, and that means people

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Speaker 4: go and spend more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah too, right, I am starting well, actually, Alie, I

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Speaker 2: started a little while ago, but I continue to feel hope.

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Speaker 2: So these numbers feel a little bit backward looking to me,

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Speaker 2: and I'm already looking at the future. What about you?

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Speaker 5: Well, look, I got e for maths when he did

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Speaker 5: not mean excellence. So I'm not even going to try

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Speaker 5: and analyze these figures. However, you know this boot, you

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Speaker 5: know Bhutan has this happiness, you know, shared the.

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Speaker 2: Measure when they will be measured, they have.

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Speaker 5: I'm really concerned about all these figures. What does it

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Speaker 5: actually mean? So Ryan, when you talked about the personal

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Speaker 5: GDP figure being so low, what does that actually mean?

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Speaker 5: I mean, is that a quality thing or a quantity thing?

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Speaker 5: Because I think that's what we've got to think about, right.

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Speaker 4: Per capita is like we've basically been propping up our

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Speaker 4: nominal figure, which is in what point two two doesn't

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Speaker 4: sound that bad. But when you look at the per

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Speaker 4: of population, it's way worse. It's down two point seven years.

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Speaker 5: What does that actually mean? I mean what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: It means it's in reality we're getting poorer. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: worse than what the top line figure sounds like.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, But can you still have a low GDP

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Speaker 5: level and still be happy? I mean, I'm just trying

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Speaker 5: to work out with measure of why badness, which person

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Speaker 5: who got poorer was happier? Well, you'd have more time,

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Speaker 5: you'd be less stressed. You'd be in the garden growing

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Speaker 5: your own veggies. I mean, who knows, Heather. It might

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Speaker 5: not be about the number, might not be about the dollars.

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Speaker 2: I'm just wanted. Are you just advocating poverty right now,

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Speaker 2: as like as a great loan?

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Speaker 5: No, not poverty. I'm just suggesting there may be other options.

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Speaker 2: Other options other than being rich. I don't know about you, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: but look Alie, if you if you wanted to share

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Speaker 2: your money, I'll take it. Would you take it?

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Speaker 4: Take some of your Jason won't give me it, I'll

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Speaker 4: take a break.

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Speaker 2: It's carded to your back of the huddle in just detect.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and

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Speaker 2: Right, we're back with the huddle, Ali Jones, Ryan Bridge, Ali,

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Speaker 2: how do you feel about using jury trials? Not so

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Speaker 2: much for the low level crimes but for more serious ones.

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Speaker 5: I'm so glad we're starting to have this conversation. I

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Speaker 5: do remember when National was campaigning they talked about night Court,

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Speaker 5: not the TV program, of course, but actually having caught

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Speaker 5: at night and I thought that was a really interesting

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Speaker 5: way to look at clearing the backlog. This is different though,

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Speaker 5: because those would be judge only trials. The jury trials, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think they do need to look at perhaps the

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Speaker 5: criteria there, maybe maximum three sentence, maybe even four year sentence,

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Speaker 5: but it can't continue the way that it is. I

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Speaker 5: think we need to look at jury trials as well.

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Speaker 5: Are we having juries of our peers. It seems to

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Speaker 5: be that they're mainly made up of retired people and

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Speaker 5: unemployed people because they're the only ones who are happy

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Speaker 5: to take thirty bucks a day to sit on a jury.

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Speaker 5: So I think we actually need to look at the

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Speaker 5: whole thing. But in principle, yes, I think we do

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Speaker 5: need to look at more judge only trials.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I reckon, I don't think we dick around

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Speaker 2: with three years here, Ryan, I reckon we go for

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Speaker 2: five or seven because like a crime at seven years

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Speaker 2: and decently assaults another person, A crime at five years

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Speaker 2: is assaulting with the weapon. Even then, I mean, I

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Speaker 2: think that's serious enough to get twelve people together in

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Speaker 2: a room to decide for you, But anything below that,

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

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Speaker 4: So I disagree with both of you because put yourself

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Speaker 4: in the shoes of the person who's in the dock right,

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Speaker 4: two years is a long time in anyone's life.

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Speaker 2: When the judges, when Claire Ryan from the court discounts

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Speaker 2: you ain't going to get two years.

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Speaker 4: Now three matters, that is a separate that's a sentencing issue.

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Speaker 4: But if this goes back to I think I think

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Speaker 4: as key as we have a high trust in our

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Speaker 4: justice system. I know we think the sentences are often

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Speaker 4: a bit crap, but in general we have a high

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Speaker 4: trust in the system. And I think that comes from

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Speaker 4: the fact that you know it's going to be. It

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Speaker 4: can be at your selection a jury of your peers,

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Speaker 4: and they're going to be they're going to be fear

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Speaker 4: and they're going to be reasonable bludges and pensioners exactly.

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Speaker 5: That's they're old people and unappointment and that's the jury

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Speaker 5: of your peers.

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Speaker 4: Really, you cannot say that, actually, you lose your benefit.

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Speaker 3: Ryan would get your benefit.

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Speaker 2: Ryan would love it. I'll tell you this ally because

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Speaker 2: he'd get off because all the old biddy's on the

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Speaker 2: jury love me.

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Speaker 5: It's not a nice boy.

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Speaker 3: What a nice You lose, You.

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Speaker 4: Lose your benefit if you go on the on the jury.

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Speaker 4: So you see, you're worse off. I mean minimum Wade,

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Speaker 4: you get about nine hundred bucks a week for being

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Speaker 4: on a jury. If it's full for the full week,

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Speaker 4: you get about three hundred bucks.

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Speaker 2: I think it's eighty bucks now per day, so it's

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Speaker 2: four hundred.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but it's still not great, is it really is?

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Speaker 4: But I think the principle is important that you have

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Speaker 4: the option and that you know it's it seems.

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Speaker 2: A lot more here though, right, And the tension is

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Speaker 2: that that, yeah, I mean you're you're arguing for the

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Speaker 2: purity of that principle, but what you are therefore doing

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Speaker 2: is you are you're plugging up the court so badly

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Speaker 2: that as a result of that, you are now dragging

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Speaker 2: out the court how long it takes, and that you quit.

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Speaker 3: The fast just delayed as justice denied.

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Speaker 2: Fast justice is another principle. So the question there's always

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Speaker 2: an arbitrary line at which you paint it. So you're

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Speaker 2: painting it to two years and you want the status quo,

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Speaker 2: whereas I reckon left it.

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Speaker 3: I think that you stop crime, you know.

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Speaker 5: But Ryan, I think what you're also doing, though it's

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Speaker 5: a bit of a sad indictment on our judges. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I think that a judge is quite capable of making

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Speaker 5: the decisions around the kinds of crimes that you know,

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Speaker 5: have the mention then, and I think that, you know,

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Speaker 5: don't don't let perfect get in the what is that?

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Speaker 5: Don't let perfect get in the way of good. Don't

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Speaker 5: let good get in the way of perfect anyway.

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Speaker 2: I think a judgement of progress.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, approb Yeah, it will be perfectly fine to

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Speaker 5: have a judge who has experienced and knowledgeable to be

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Speaker 5: able to make the decision on this twelve people who

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Speaker 5: the hell dore you? Who you're going to get? You

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Speaker 5: just don't know who you're going to get? And how

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Speaker 5: long is it going to take? I think that's really

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Speaker 5: important to me.

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Speaker 2: Are are you worried about where where this Lebanon business

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Speaker 2: is going to go?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I think it's some I heard you talking

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Speaker 5: number that can be hit in one you know, one

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Speaker 5: go with these things, and also can this be applied

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Speaker 5: elsewhere in the world? You know, what other big city

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Speaker 5: is this technology? This called this this kind of warfare

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Speaker 5: going to be able to be you know, take place.

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Speaker 5: That's those are the two scary things, and that's thousands

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Speaker 5: of people, I think. And you imagine a city and

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Speaker 5: know what's next.

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Speaker 2: It feels like Israel is prepared to escalate this, doesn't it?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it just certainly smells like that. But to Ellie's point,

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Speaker 4: it is an interesting idea. The barriers to entry for

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Speaker 4: war now are much lower morally, When you were deciding

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Speaker 4: do I go to war with this country, it's like, well,

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Speaker 4: this is going to cost me x number of lives.

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Speaker 4: Now you've got drones and now you're blowing up pages,

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Speaker 4: so that barrier is much lower. So in you know,

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Speaker 4: ten twenty thirty fifty years, what does that mean for

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Speaker 4: the number of cross border walls that we're going to

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Speaker 4: have on planet Earth? You know, it's a pretty frightening

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Speaker 2: It is, actually, and therefore I don't want to hear

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Speaker 2: any more of it. So we're going to end it

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Speaker 2: right there. Thank you, Thank you very much, really appreciate

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