1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: Okay, David Seymour and Darbity won't two. It's all on again. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: He's with us now, David, good afternoon, good evening, well. 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: Good evening, And actually it's not all on. One person 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 2: has made an objectionable comment. That's it. Okay, So what 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 2: to imply that most parties are somehow guilty of totally misleading? 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well I'm sorry for misleading everybody. David, 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: what's your what's your what's your problem with this? 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: Well, look, I just make the point that if you 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: go out on social media and say that you know 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: you're mowing your lawns and you think that you're going 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: to treat the lawns like David Seymour and they need 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: a good hiding, or any other political figure or any person. 13 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: I just think if we all know, if I was 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: to say that about another politician, I'm sure it'd be 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: leading the news for three or four nights. But the 16 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: sad reality is that we now have a political party 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: in New Zealand that is race based but preaches violence. 18 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: This is not the first time that preaches racial supremacy, 19 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: and unfortunately we've all been giving them an easy pass 20 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: because we hold them to lower standards because imri and 21 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: it's horrible to say all that, but I don't know 22 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: how else you described the situation. 23 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: Can you not just sit back and have a laugh 24 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: and think, oh, he's just having a joke, you know, 25 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: like you did with the Ministry Pacific people's I mean 26 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: I looked at that and I thought, he's just having 27 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: a joke. That's kind of funny. I don't think David 28 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,559 Speaker 1: Seymol is a terrorist. Do you think Narwity whit White 29 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: he's a murderer? No, So let's just have a laugh. 30 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: Move on. 31 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: I did it a bit of a plausibility question. If 32 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: your argument is that I was going to disinter a 33 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: guy from four hundred years ago who had a failed plots, 34 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: you know, there were many layers of irony in that, 35 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: and I disowned it as soon as I said it. 36 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: On the other hand, you know you've got someone who's saying, well, 37 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: I think a person should get a good hiding. That 38 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: actually is plausible as people out there that probably think 39 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: that they should attack people that they disagree with physically, 40 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: so that there is actually a big difference in plausibility. 41 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: One is so obviously ridiculous, it's the other ones not 42 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: I can. 43 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: All right, let's move on very quickly. I want to 44 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: ask you, David, sorry, Christopher Luxen was asked over in 45 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: India overnight about the coalition of them willing to do 46 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: with Ukraine. I'm interested to know would you, as the 47 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: act Party. I know that you have been the party 48 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: in particular has been big in supporting Ukraine, support New 49 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: Zealand troops being on the ground, and in any way 50 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: that they can be supportive to some sort of peace resolution. 51 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: Well, a couple of things. First of all, there actually 52 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: has to be a post conflict situation, and then there 53 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: has to be a coalition at the moment. Neither of 54 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: those things are true. However, the New Zealand government has 55 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: been participating in discussions with a number of other militaries 56 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: twenty or thirty other militaries in Europe about what that 57 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: might like. Once there's a proposition on the table, then 58 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: I think we as a government can start to make 59 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 2: a decision about what that looks like. I think on balance, 60 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 2: you know, and this is not the government policy. We 61 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: haven't discussed this, but I think New Zealand is a 62 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: country that you cannot defend itself alone. We must rely 63 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 2: on collective security, defending ourselves in line with other countries 64 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: to share our values, and that of course means that 65 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: as we have in the past and two World Wars 66 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: and many other conflicts, it means that sometimes we must 67 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: join such coalitions. I just hate that there isn't one yet, 68 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: but that's been traditionally our stance as a country. 69 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: David, thank you very much for your time. The party leader, 70 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: David C. 71 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: Thank you for more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive. 72 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: Listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, 73 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.