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Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody
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Speaker 2: So on the Front Foot says goodbye to twenty four
Speaker 2: and ushers in the twenty twenty five. With the changing
Speaker 2: of the guard for the black Cats, new names emerging
Speaker 2: in our top teams, beginning with the whiteball sides under
Speaker 2: Mitchell Santner Bevan who Viven Jacobs. Of course, does the
Speaker 2: domestic game possess enough depth. There's still a huge gulf
Speaker 2: between the White fans and Australia. FORBA black Caps give
Speaker 2: her Tim Sudi won't be unemployed long, it seems He's
Speaker 2: currently contracted to New Zealand Cricker, but Saldi will captain
Speaker 2: the Shade of Warriors in the upcoming It l T
Speaker 2: twenty and is twenty percent of your match feet A
Speaker 2: kin to a slap on the hand with a wet
Speaker 2: icc sanction. Well that's what veriack Coli got, Jerry boy?
Speaker 2: Was he lit off light? Yeah?
Speaker 5: It was a bit mild, wasn't it, Yeah, Colie, in
Speaker 5: constance the two k's rather than the three k's KKK
Speaker 5: where they were in white.
Speaker 3: Two odds, weren't they.
Speaker 5: But look, I don't know what you thought, but it
Speaker 5: looked a very deliberate piece of you know, public bullying,
Speaker 5: didn't It designed to upset a youngster who was getting
Speaker 5: the better of the exchangers. And it was outside the
Speaker 5: actual transaction of play, it wasn't It was in between overs.
Speaker 5: You know, occasionally bowlers and fielders get in the way
Speaker 5: of batsman all the other way around because you know,
Speaker 5: they're taking a run something like that. That's but this
Speaker 5: one was very different, wasn't it. This was just a
Speaker 5: direction of movement into a direct line of another player
Speaker 5: in order to make contacts like swimmers stay in your
Speaker 5: own lane, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just I couldn't understand what prompted him
Speaker 2: to do it. I mean, okay, so the young kid
Speaker 2: was starting to show some exciting tendencies. I mean, he
Speaker 2: only had to look at his second and to know
Speaker 2: that he's not in the next Breadmond just yet. And
Speaker 2: it was entertaining stuff that set the Melbourne crowd a light.
Speaker 2: But was it Coley just saying don't try and outstage
Speaker 2: me or jump ahead of me in the Q soon,
Speaker 2: or can I upset you? There was a real touch
Speaker 2: of arrogance about it, even though where we probably shouldn't say.
Speaker 5: That, there was a bit of that. I think I'll
Speaker 5: be the one to do this. If anyone's going to
Speaker 5: do it from our team to try and upset him,
Speaker 5: it'll be me.
Speaker 3: And you know, I know it should constance call.
Speaker 5: For tackle bags behind the stumps in between overs.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but.
Speaker 5: I just felt it was just unnecessary. And I also
Speaker 5: thought that it's another example really of officials not quite knowing
Speaker 5: what to do, especially when it's involving India, who are
Speaker 5: the important powerful ones at the moment. And I guess
Speaker 5: whoever it was the match ref was he wants to
Speaker 5: go back to India at.
Speaker 3: Some point, so.
Speaker 5: There'll be some in India who back him for doing it.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's ridiculous. It was really just an extension
Speaker 5: a new phase of sledging wasn't it. I mean it's
Speaker 5: to put the opposition, put the opposition players off.
Speaker 3: No, just not something we want us see on a
Speaker 3: cricket field.
Speaker 2: Did you did you watch a lot of the Tests?
Speaker 2: Did you see the Jasuell run out with Coley?
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah I did.
Speaker 2: But to me that was a touch of arrogance as well.
Speaker 2: He was the non strike. He was called for a run.
Speaker 2: Whether it was a good run or not. Jaswell had
Speaker 2: played it up and taken the run and and Coley
Speaker 2: just stood there his ground. He didn't you know, he
Speaker 2: was basically ball watching and saying to Jaswell, hey, son,
Speaker 2: don't there's no run there. I'm not I'm not putting
Speaker 2: my life at risk. And yet Jaswell had most of
Speaker 2: the runs on the board at that stage. It seemed
Speaker 2: a little bit strange. You sort of respond to your mate,
Speaker 2: don't you when you're when you're betting.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Look, first, the first point I think to make about it.
Speaker 5: It looked like to me a very tight run. He
Speaker 5: actually hit that quite hard. Yeah, and it went to
Speaker 5: a sort of a medium depths mid on didn't it
Speaker 5: in Cummings and it went to the correct hand. And therefore,
Speaker 5: because he was a little bit deeper than beside the stumps.
Speaker 5: There were three of them to aim at. So that's
Speaker 5: why Jase Will kept moving. To me, he kept moving
Speaker 5: swiftly because he knew it was tight. And really that's
Speaker 5: Coley's job. You either take the guy on trust, which
Speaker 5: you have to do because you can't ball watch there.
Speaker 5: You take the guy on trust and you run, or
Speaker 5: the other option you've got is to shout out weight.
Speaker 5: This is where you come back to your rules. Was
Speaker 5: in your three calls, yes, no weight and weight would
Speaker 5: have been an early call of weight and Jacewell probably
Speaker 5: would have got back.
Speaker 3: If Coley wasn't intending to run.
Speaker 5: You shout weight. It's not worth a wicket, is it
Speaker 5: for one run? So, and particularly at that time when
Speaker 5: they kind of had Australia at their mercy a bit,
Speaker 5: both of them batting well and a good partnership developing,
Speaker 5: and it affected Coli. I mean he played wider than
Speaker 5: he normally had in that innings two or three overs later,
Speaker 5: didn't need to bowl, and so that was an important
Speaker 5: part of that game. Really, that that pulled. And I
Speaker 5: mean they lost two or three wickets, didn't they quite quickly?
Speaker 5: That that pulled India out of the game a little
Speaker 5: bit and left quite a large deficit.
Speaker 2: Just a quick question, when did yes no Weight become outdated?
Speaker 2: Because she hears so many different calls, now, don't you running? One?
Speaker 2: Maybe something that I always remember the one of Jabad
Speaker 2: me and Dad, wasn't it when he was called and
Speaker 2: it was looking like a runout and he said, yes,
Speaker 2: I am not coming.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And there's partner shaking hands with him. So
Speaker 5: yeah that Look, it's been decided. It was decided over years, wads,
Speaker 5: years and years, and you need to just be very
Speaker 5: clear and concise. Needs to be concise. One word, it's
Speaker 5: all you need, and very clear. So that was where
Speaker 5: the problem was. Jacewell taking a pretty tight run to
Speaker 5: having to run hard because it was tight, kept running
Speaker 5: and no response from Coolie really and then as you say,
Speaker 5: started to turn behind him that he was gone then.
Speaker 3: So it's that that that one, to mid On is
Speaker 3: quite tricky.
Speaker 5: You can be quite tricky and you've got to follow
Speaker 5: the rules very carefully, and you've.
Speaker 2: Got to pick your fielders too. Some are quick, some aren't,
Speaker 2: and generally a bowl there and you think, well I
Speaker 2: can get a run in here.
Speaker 3: Well the throw was quite wild, wasn't it.
Speaker 5: I mean Carey had to go and get it and
Speaker 5: then take it to the stumps, so so Jacewell would
Speaker 5: have had time to go back, no doubt about that
Speaker 5: in my mind.
Speaker 2: Yeap, interesting one. Well, we'll watched with interest because it
Speaker 2: looks as though Australia are headed to the World Test
Speaker 2: Championship with only a day and a Test match to play,
Speaker 2: and of course South Africa have just guaranteed themselves a
Speaker 2: place in the final by beating Pakistan in a Test
Speaker 2: match back home. New names coming to the forefront in
Speaker 2: the New Zealand side for various reasons. So they've got
Speaker 2: players who are overseas playing white ball cricket and aren't
Speaker 2: playing in the home series, but a few new names.
Speaker 2: I suppose you get to a stage when the players
Speaker 2: who have been around a while are retiring. We've lost
Speaker 2: Sauthi from the Test game. There's rumors of other players
Speaker 2: considering retirement and that's got to be considered. A new
Speaker 2: name in the white ball side. Bevan Jacobs. Hardly knew him,
Speaker 2: never heard of him until he played a game against
Speaker 2: Wellington recently in the Plunket Shield. He's a major surprise
Speaker 2: a player who hadn't featured in national prominence, and after
Speaker 2: making the IPO contract list, it seemed less of a
Speaker 2: surprise that he should earn white Ball black Caps selection,
Speaker 2: but all the same, a welcome surprise for a young
Speaker 2: man from Auckland.
Speaker 6: If you told me this would happen a month ago,
Speaker 6: I probably wouldn't believe it. It's it's yeah, like I said,
Speaker 6: it's a cliche, but it's something you dream about. It's
Speaker 6: something you know, I grew up watching and being able
Speaker 6: to share the field with some of these players, I
Speaker 6: think it is going to be pretty special, and I'm
Speaker 6: just going to try to, you know, absorb as much
Speaker 6: as I can learn from them and you know, and
Speaker 6: hopefully be able to put some runs on the board
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 4: They're both pretty big surprises. I think.
Speaker 6: I think the black Caps one was probably oh, I
Speaker 6: don't even know. IPO feels like such a slim chance,
Speaker 6: but black Caps is something that, you know, I've dreamed
Speaker 6: about since since a kid. I think ipl was kind
Speaker 6: of a focus or like a like a goal maybe
Speaker 6: set a little bit later. Black Caps has always been
Speaker 6: the dream, you know, So I think that's probably the
Speaker 6: one that hit me the hardest, but obviously both both
Speaker 6: really special and just you know, glad to have the opportunity.
Speaker 2: You've been selected for the ball team initially. But is
Speaker 2: test cricket a goal also?
Speaker 7: I don't want to be a one dimensional better Obviously
Speaker 7: I like to I like to bring that power game
Speaker 7: into the team, but I think I think, you know,
Speaker 7: going for that longer format stuff definitely something I want
Speaker 7: to work towards and be recognized as going forward.
Speaker 2: Does testmate cricket suit your style of play?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 6: I mean there's obviously been some common trends with with
Speaker 6: some extra power, some more creativity coming into the into
Speaker 6: the red Bull set up there, but I think it's
Speaker 6: more just about how everyone goes at their own sort
Speaker 6: of way, right, And you know, if that's the way
Speaker 6: that I can I can bring an impact in that situation,
Speaker 6: then then that's.
Speaker 4: What I'm trying and do.
Speaker 6: But if it's if it's something a little bit more
Speaker 6: than I need to develop, then I'll work on that
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 2: So what's been your development through the New Zealand game?
Speaker 2: Born in South Africa, but you've progressed through the age
Speaker 2: groups up north.
Speaker 6: Came down to Lincoln on a on a cricket scholarship
Speaker 6: and I got sorted with the strength and conditioning program
Speaker 6: here and then I kind of just fell in love
Speaker 6: with that sort of side of a side of the sport,
Speaker 6: getting in the gym and you know, it's just something
Speaker 6: that I like to tick off pretty pretty frequently. Obviously
Speaker 6: growing up in Auckland's and that was awesome in age
Speaker 6: group cricket. But yeah, I mean I spent three three
Speaker 6: good years down there and I really enjoyed it. And
Speaker 6: so to get have it announced here, you know, it's
Speaker 6: not it's not the worst situation ever, so it's good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So obviously grew up in Auckland, Hibiscus Coast as a junior,
Speaker 6: played premier cricket for a couple of clubs and then
Speaker 6: under seventeens for Auckland, under nineteens for Auckland and two
Speaker 6: out of the.
Speaker 4: Three we won, which was awesome.
Speaker 6: A good bunch of lads, a couple of which i'm
Speaker 6: playing with right now, which is always good to share
Speaker 6: the field with them, good memories. And then three three
Speaker 6: seasons or two and a half seasons here in christ
Speaker 6: Church with Sydenham, so that was also good. Fun, and
Speaker 6: you know, every step of the way with each club
Speaker 6: and which with each sort of organization really really supportive
Speaker 6: of my journey and my career. So yeah, and that's
Speaker 6: been that's been really awesome. And even in school cricket,
Speaker 6: you know, five years at Westlake Power Westlate Boys, really
Speaker 6: enjoyed my time there. And then yes, starting off with
Speaker 6: Canarby and then eventually moving back to Auckland. It's been
Speaker 6: a bit of a journey of left and right. They're
Speaker 6: about but Lack, I've enjoyed every step of the way
Speaker 6: and I'm just I'm just glad that I can get
Speaker 6: the opportunity to hopefully go there on the park and
Speaker 6: perform for everyone.
Speaker 2: That's a bit of Jacobs showing there is dip from
Speaker 2: the domestic game. Then to check that out, I called
Speaker 2: into the basin where the Firebirds were training and I
Speaker 2: had a chat with their coach, Shane Jurgenson, who says
Speaker 2: they are meeting the numbers game, but are being tested
Speaker 2: at times for depth. Jurgensen knows full well the talent
Speaker 2: that Jacob's possesses. He scored well against Wellington and the
Speaker 2: Pluck at Shield earlier this season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he got two adies in a hurry.
Speaker 8: I was for sure already kept hitting the ball out
Speaker 8: on the road, one of the bigger roundabouts in the
Speaker 8: world around the base reserve. So yeah, it certainly hits
Speaker 8: the ball a long way, hits the ball a long
Speaker 8: way on both sides of the wicket, which makes for
Speaker 8: the captain's extremely hard you know, hits ball cleanly over
Speaker 8: met off as he does over you know the traditional
Speaker 8: sort of maybe the hits to sort of mean on
Speaker 8: the mid wickets.
Speaker 4: So yeah, certainly a powerful young man, not a player
Speaker 4: from nowhere.
Speaker 2: Is obviously played a bit of cricket in christ Chitch
Speaker 2: and played an Auckland domestic cricket. But we're at the
Speaker 2: phase of the season now where the players coming through
Speaker 2: the development phase. I suppose you're looking at We've had
Speaker 2: one player retired to him South. There are rumors about
Speaker 2: others who might ending their careers at some stage. Now's
Speaker 2: the time that you want your development players, don't you. Depth?
Speaker 2: And I guess as a coach you're looking at that
Speaker 2: depth in the competitions that you've got to play now.
Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely, I think this is a similar time to
Speaker 8: maybe COVID. Actually, so during COVID there was different squads
Speaker 8: at times and players. You know, my time with the
Speaker 8: Black Caps, he had the emergence of the Will Youngs,
Speaker 8: Russian Rave Indra, Glenn Phillips, Mark Chapman. You know, when
Speaker 8: you know, different players came in for different tours, whether
Speaker 8: it be like for Ireland and Scotland and just just
Speaker 8: for an example, and that gay players, different players opportunity
Speaker 8: to have that experience at that level. And I think,
Speaker 8: as you know, that's the opportunity there is now during
Speaker 8: this period of you know, the different contracts that have
Speaker 8: been sort of set up as well and guys going
Speaker 8: to play TEA twenty franchise cricket, there's an opportunity for
Speaker 8: guys to come in and play a role.
Speaker 2: You've had the problem in the past anyway with Ravender,
Speaker 2: with Conway, et cetera, et cetera, ceterc. Blundle and so
Speaker 2: have the other first class provinces associations had to find
Speaker 2: some depth. Is it easy to get the quality of
Speaker 2: depth that you want?
Speaker 4: No, not easy.
Speaker 8: You've got to sort of you know, for us here
Speaker 8: we've had a week of preparation T twenty preparation that
Speaker 8: was again for us, a great opportunity to get some
Speaker 8: guys in to.
Speaker 4: Be in and around the squad for a week.
Speaker 8: But we did some skills work fielding, batting and bowling,
Speaker 8: and then we had a game.
Speaker 4: We wanted to have another game.
Speaker 8: We're actually going to have two T ten games, so
Speaker 8: we could actually focus on different elements of T twenty
Speaker 8: cricket in terms of the the powerful phases of death
Speaker 8: and the start of the innings.
Speaker 4: But we missed out on doing that with the rain.
Speaker 8: But I think for us guys, the emergence of people
Speaker 8: not just within our squad, Jesse tash Gov for example,
Speaker 8: who's had some good opportunities at the NZ at eleven recently,
Speaker 8: Troy Johnson, who's been around the squad for a while.
Speaker 8: But then there were some players that we included Sam Morgan,
Speaker 8: who's an opener from Upper Heart I think, and played
Speaker 8: a couple of really good innings, and Oscar Jackson, who
Speaker 8: was in New Zealand and nineteen captain the last World
Speaker 8: carp and Heat actually played some good innings in the
Speaker 8: game it was played.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's certainly some players.
Speaker 8: I think what this opportunity does is you have players
Speaker 8: step up into the Black Caps. Then in your squad,
Speaker 8: you know, we've got one of the biggest squads we've
Speaker 8: ever had in the Wellington fire Birds, twenty three players,
Speaker 8: so you know that's for us, that's managing that. But
Speaker 8: at the moment we're actually down to only thirteen players.
Speaker 8: So it's gone from having a wealth of players to
Speaker 8: all of a sudden with the amount of you know,
Speaker 8: that's the success that we've had. I suppose here for
Speaker 8: individuals being called up to Black Caps and his shrink
Speaker 8: and tour and then yeah, and all of a sudden
Speaker 8: we're down to thirteen players.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that depth has been tested too with one
Speaker 2: of your bowling leaders, Nathan Smith, coming back from injury
Speaker 2: and starting to show I think the talent that many
Speaker 2: people believed he had. What did you think of his
Speaker 2: Test match performance?
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, it contributed really well, just the way that
Speaker 8: we thought he would. Really he's a real impact player.
Speaker 8: He's exciting to watch, you know, hits the ball out
Speaker 8: of the park, but also can play long innings if
Speaker 8: you need fielding. I think there was a runout during
Speaker 8: that Test series it was a great runout that he
Speaker 8: was including. And then also you know he's bowling when
Speaker 8: he comes on, he's he's very accurate, and he's always
Speaker 8: at the bowler, so yes, he's really gives you that
Speaker 8: impact that you want as a player to be able
Speaker 8: to keep pushing and looking to take wickets and score
Speaker 8: runs and be a great field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you get to a stage where I suppose
Speaker 2: as a coach you want to win trophies that are
Speaker 2: important to you, but you also have to prepare players
Speaker 2: for higher honors, don't you. I mean you've got to
Speaker 2: You've got to mix both those in terms of your.
Speaker 3: Plans, don't you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think all coaches have egos and you want to win.
Speaker 8: But at the same time, you know, my role here
Speaker 8: is highly.
Speaker 4: Geared towards developing black Caps.
Speaker 8: The ones that are existing and also future black Caps,
Speaker 8: and creating an environment where everyone can learn feel as
Speaker 8: though that they belong and that's my that's basically probably
Speaker 8: more important in a lot of ways. And then and
Speaker 8: having making the push to win trophies. So I really
Speaker 8: enjoy that aspect of it, you know, obviously having been
Speaker 8: at that level for nearly fifteen years and you know,
Speaker 8: I might have a little bit of intel on how
Speaker 8: to get there. But also it's also more importantly about
Speaker 8: the player and their own development, to get their own
Speaker 8: paths to get to that stage.
Speaker 2: And you've got players who are pretty much on the verge.
Speaker 2: You have a look at somebody like Nick Kelly, who's
Speaker 2: been there or thereabouts in the new zeald No program,
Speaker 2: and other players in your side, and I suppose that
Speaker 2: they are akin to some of the players for the
Speaker 2: other associations as well, aren't they. You see a guy
Speaker 2: come into the Cannitory side and score a double ton
Speaker 2: this first game as Captain Maru. I think, you know,
Speaker 2: these are obviously talented players who are looking for higher
Speaker 2: honors as well, aren't they.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Nick Kelly, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 8: And you could also say Nick is in the form
Speaker 8: of his life last sort of two or three years.
Speaker 8: You know, extremely fit, can certainly push up to the
Speaker 8: next level, no problem, tough player, really good feel for
Speaker 8: the game, and also a game that can adapt to
Speaker 8: all formats, which is one of one of the really
Speaker 8: strong thing about Nick.
Speaker 4: You know, moa bass.
Speaker 8: You know, his impressive year last year, and the important
Speaker 8: thing for him now is he's after you know, he's
Speaker 8: really worked hard his fitness during the winter. He's certainly stronger, fitter.
Speaker 8: He's had a couple of injuries because of that, because
Speaker 8: all of a sudden he's a lot more powerful and
Speaker 8: he's he's bowling quicker, and so he's but we're looking
Speaker 8: for him to have a good impact with the balls
Speaker 8: or and the super smash coming on and bowling couple
Speaker 8: overs in the middle stages. And then you've got, of course,
Speaker 8: you know, someone like Tim Robinson who's had an amazing
Speaker 8: super smash last year and with the black Caps now
Speaker 8: and you know we're looking forward to getting him back.
Speaker 8: You know, all those players like Nathan Smith. You know
Speaker 8: we loved have him back as much as we can,
Speaker 8: but you know we'll enjoy their experience and there you
Speaker 8: know what they can bring the team when we have them.
Speaker 2: Just the development program suitable enough for preparing players for
Speaker 2: international cricket. You've got the domestic competition. There's a development
Speaker 2: squad of young players going around the country now at
Speaker 2: and I look back to say the twenty nineteen World
Speaker 2: Cup Under nineteen World Cup where Willow Rourke was there
Speaker 2: and there's a couple of other players who are emerging
Speaker 2: from that. Is the program now good enough for the
Speaker 2: development of these players to test match level cricketers or
Speaker 2: international cricketers.
Speaker 4: I think it certainly is.
Speaker 8: I think there's playing opportunities I think is really important
Speaker 8: for us in New Zealand because we do sometimes well,
Speaker 8: we do have long winters and the season is relatively
Speaker 8: probably short in a lot of ways, and whether it
Speaker 8: be club cricket or domestic cricket, you know, I think
Speaker 8: the more playing opportunities young players can get is really crucial.
Speaker 8: The other part of it, which is really quite it's
Speaker 8: quite a big job for us here for in Wellington
Speaker 8: is training the guys up to understand how to look
Speaker 8: after their bodies. And that's actually quite an extensive job
Speaker 8: and we certainly got the resources here Ellington, but it
Speaker 8: is a big job and there's not many.
Speaker 4: Hands, but the guys that.
Speaker 8: Are here really work hard, you know, like we've just
Speaker 8: lost Matt Matt Long who's been a huge every instrumental
Speaker 8: about players behaviors and attitudes off the field in terms
Speaker 8: of that process towards recovery their fitness, and we've got
Speaker 8: people involved in nutrition be able to play in back
Speaker 8: to back games if you only have one day's break,
Speaker 8: which we will have in the Super Smash. So training
Speaker 8: the guys up to understand their body is really quite
Speaker 8: one of the other side.
Speaker 4: Of domestic players.
Speaker 8: It's just not the cricket that's a big side of
Speaker 8: the development of these players.
Speaker 2: And one of those who's been injured, but I think
Speaker 2: is back on the park at the moment as the
Speaker 2: fields only there's Ben Sears, who's a young man and
Speaker 2: we don't want to see the early end of his career.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's nice to see Kyle Jamison back again bowling.
Speaker 2: And you know, with the change of our bowlers that
Speaker 2: you spend a lot of time coaching, there's a new
Speaker 2: breed at international level, wasn't he.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 8: There's a number of guys that are certainly popping their
Speaker 8: heads up in terms of giving them opportunities. And you know,
Speaker 8: seeing Jacob Duffy, you know his performance in the first
Speaker 8: T twenty versus Sri Lanka, and you know he's been
Speaker 8: waiting for his time for example, and he's sort of
Speaker 8: he's not young obviously in age, but in terms of experience,
Speaker 8: he's still learning.
Speaker 4: About playing at that level.
Speaker 8: Then you come back, yeah, Ben Ceazy, who's really really
Speaker 8: excited to be back running around fielding like a crazy
Speaker 8: man in the field.
Speaker 4: He'll be batting today and not bowling in the game.
Speaker 8: But I think seeing him coming back, and you know
Speaker 8: he'll be appearing some at some stage during a super
Speaker 8: Smash and getting himself in a situation where he could
Speaker 8: be in line for selection maybe for the Champions Trophy.
Speaker 8: So yeah, he's certainly coming back, and that's and again
Speaker 8: that's that's our that's our job as a domestic team
Speaker 8: is to look after him and get him ready for
Speaker 8: a black Cat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess it's the same right across the country.
Speaker 2: Canter we have the same issues in terms of what
Speaker 2: they're doing on the issue of Sea isn't getting ready
Speaker 2: at our other past bowlers. I'm one of those who
Speaker 2: sort of says, we've got to look after these players.
Speaker 2: We don't want to run them into the ground. But
Speaker 2: you can look after them too much, can't you. They'll
Speaker 2: end up not playing. So how do you manage your
Speaker 2: bowlers in that because you've got to be conscious of
Speaker 2: the fact that you know what their body is like
Speaker 2: as much as they have to know what their body
Speaker 2: can do. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's just getting alignment with all parties.
Speaker 8: So we've been himself with the crucial part and with
Speaker 8: the black Cat staff and also our staff, so you
Speaker 8: know that can be a little bit of a tuggle
Speaker 8: wall sometimes, but it's also because I suppose for us
Speaker 8: we can have our eyes on him and we sort
Speaker 8: of know where who's progressing. But I also understand, you know,
Speaker 8: you know, one of the sayings that I sort of
Speaker 8: have sometimes that I can't remember who gave it to me,
Speaker 8: wasn't originally from me, but you know, treating your fast
Speaker 8: bay the really important aspect to take wickets and win
Speaker 8: games of cricket and is treat them like race horses.
Speaker 8: And you know there's periods of periodization where they're in
Speaker 8: the paddock, you know, getting getting grazing and getting some rest,
Speaker 8: and then there's periods of time where they train hard
Speaker 8: and then you've got to make sure you look after him.
Speaker 4: And because they're pretty powerful bodies and they do something
Speaker 4: it's quite extreme.
Speaker 8: So it's really important that balancing act of preparation versus
Speaker 8: playing and getting ready for the black Caps, and that's
Speaker 8: what we're sort of going with Ben right now.
Speaker 2: How excited are you to see Kyle Jamison Beck and
Speaker 2: perhaps also the development of Willow Rourke who had to
Speaker 2: my mind and just an absolutely outstanding season.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it would be awesome to get Kyle back in
Speaker 8: that Test team if it was to happen, and great
Speaker 8: to see him back on the field again. I think
Speaker 8: it would be a real as well along with the
Speaker 8: as well as the guys that are there now for
Speaker 8: pretty formidable attack. You know, it was someone along the
Speaker 8: lines with Rourke, Jamison, Henry.
Speaker 4: Sears. You know there's some serious pace there and bounce.
Speaker 8: So you know, if that was, I'm sure Gary and
Speaker 8: the selection team and would be pretty impressed to.
Speaker 4: Have all those guys fitting available. But yeah, to see
Speaker 4: Kyle back after a long road of recovery is just amazing.
Speaker 8: And yeah, Will Rourke, I came across him in an
Speaker 8: under nineteen camp a few years ago. He was just
Speaker 8: too old for the under nineteens, but Paul Wiseman and
Speaker 8: the crew got him into sort of bowl and compare
Speaker 8: and I was there and I looked at him and
Speaker 8: I was actually umpiring in this practice game and I went, yeez,
Speaker 8: who is this It's like And the first thing that
Speaker 8: came to my mind is, my goodness, this guy if
Speaker 8: he goes, if you continue to do what he's doing
Speaker 8: today and can do it, at the next level, the
Speaker 8: next level again, he could be our next he could
Speaker 8: be our version of Pat Cummings.
Speaker 4: And that's the first thing I straight.
Speaker 8: Away I looked at him and this is Pat Cummins,
Speaker 8: just always at you bounce.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: A pretty impressive young man. He's done so well. The
Speaker 8: e really exciting future for him.
Speaker 2: Jugo as he's known, the coach of the Firebirds, Jerry.
Speaker 2: He got a pretty practical idea about where the game
Speaker 2: is at. I like his analogy that his job is
Speaker 2: there to prepare players for international cricket. He wants the trophies.
Speaker 2: He says that, you know there are egos among the
Speaker 2: coaching staff, but he's there to prepare international players. And
Speaker 2: you know that's where our development's got to come from,
Speaker 2: doesn't it.
Speaker 5: Very experienced coach, been around a long time. Values the culture,
Speaker 5: if you want, for want of a better word, how
Speaker 5: the players get on together, how they're enjoying their game,
Speaker 5: and they're important things. And I just thought the main
Speaker 5: point he made Wads to me was he's identified as
Speaker 5: you and I have, is as most cricketers who are
Speaker 5: interested in the game have, and you know this is
Speaker 5: a time for development, doesn't it. It's a time where
Speaker 5: the confluence of a couple of reasons.
Speaker 3: You've already mentioned one of them.
Speaker 5: That's the contract system in New Zealand, and it's the
Speaker 5: players that hold all the power and that and they've
Speaker 5: got the choice whether they want to opt out of
Speaker 5: the shorter formats make a bit more cash for themselves.
Speaker 5: And that's left holes holes in our particularly our white
Speaker 5: ball team. And so that's why we're seeing these new names.
Speaker 5: I mean, and there are quite a lot of them,
Speaker 5: aren't there. I mean, you could actually pick quite a
Speaker 5: decent side from all the players.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: You've got Ferguson, Finnelle and Adam Miller and Tim Seifer,
Speaker 5: they're the big bash, Caine Williams and Devon Conway. Lots
Speaker 5: of openers there. You see Conway ciphered finn Allen. And
Speaker 5: that's why we had didn't really have an opener in
Speaker 5: this latest side, did we. We had to promote Ravendro
Speaker 5: into there, even though he's battered there before for Wellington.
Speaker 5: And then you've got Ben Sears and Jamison a way
Speaker 5: with injury. Then you've also got the players who went
Speaker 5: to Pakistan, Blundle, Foxcroft, Josh Clarkson, he's one who hasn't
Speaker 5: made it again is sod He was there and we're
Speaker 5: young was there. So there's quite a lot of players
Speaker 5: there that are unavailable for one reason and another. And
Speaker 5: the other reason, it seems to me, is that you know,
Speaker 5: the succession plan for this particular these sides hasn't really
Speaker 5: kind of existed. We've hung on to goodish players and
Speaker 5: they've become good at certain times because they have been
Speaker 5: held onto. So it's a fair enough kind of policy,
Speaker 5: but you do need to keep preparing for beneath them.
Speaker 5: And I think that's maybe whether it's cash, having games
Speaker 5: and all that sort of stuff. And I thought Jurgens
Speaker 5: had made some decent points there that you know, he
Speaker 5: highlights based bowler is knowing their own bodies and being
Speaker 5: able to know what sort of length they can bowl
Speaker 5: and when they've had enough. And the other thing was
Speaker 5: giving these players opportunities. We've actually discovering players that are
Speaker 5: kind of are kind of showing they've got the ability,
Speaker 5: haven't we wouldn't you say, I mean O'Rourke, especially in
Speaker 5: the bowling departments O'Rourke, Henry Jamison, Sears, Smith Duffy that
Speaker 5: that to me okay, we've got a couple of batsmen,
Speaker 5: the new batter bit Jamison and Smith. The rest don't.
Speaker 5: But there's that's okay, and we've got pace, we've got
Speaker 5: a bit of bounce, we've got some swing. I like
Speaker 5: kind of like the look of that for the future.
Speaker 5: Then you look at our spinners, Ajas Patel Santner has
Speaker 5: developed nicely in the in the recent past. You've got
Speaker 5: Bracewolln Phillips coming on as well with the off spinners.
Speaker 5: So our finger spinners are kind of there, and so
Speaker 5: all that kind of as a as a body of players,
Speaker 5: I think looks okay. It's the batting that is a
Speaker 5: bit more of a concern. I think I'm not too
Speaker 5: sure of the answers to that. There were lots of
Speaker 5: names that you and Durgo were talking about, but you know,
Speaker 5: I haven't seen quite yet.
Speaker 3: Enough of the batsmen coming through.
Speaker 2: No, And I guess that's a matter of opportunity. There's
Speaker 2: this Guyrhyese Meru who's playing for Kenney, got a double
Speaker 2: ton and they've got players. I mean, this was an
Speaker 2: interview around a Wellington coach, but I think the same
Speaker 2: issues apply to all the coaches. Up and down the
Speaker 2: country in terms of finding places to put their quality players,
Speaker 2: identifying the talent and giving them opportunities. And it seems
Speaker 2: with a development squad going around New Zealand moment playing games,
Speaker 2: not playing long form games, which disappoints me to some extent.
Speaker 2: But you know, there are opportunities for young players to
Speaker 2: develop and that's the encouraging thing for New Zealand cricket,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, so we've got to We've got to commit
Speaker 5: our money there. I think we do that, then I
Speaker 5: think we'll find we've got better black Caps players. I
Speaker 5: don't know whether you watched the game, Brian, the first
Speaker 5: match between Sri Lanka and News. What a weird game.
Speaker 5: I mean, New Zealand were in a beautiful position to
Speaker 5: lose twice, I mean five for sixty halfway through their innings,
Speaker 5: all the top order gone and then they were rescued
Speaker 5: by Mitchell Embracewell. Weren't they then one hundred and twenty
Speaker 5: one for none Sri Lanka in the fourteenth they had
Speaker 5: ten wickets left to get fifty odd and what a heist.
Speaker 5: Well done, Duffy, Well done, Duffy. I mean just exactly
Speaker 5: at the end. Absolutely, he was a bit expensive at
Speaker 5: the start, but he pulled it back certainly, and Henry
Speaker 5: was solid and I thought well done for Duffy though
Speaker 5: with all those hours bowling before play and lunchtime and
Speaker 5: end of the day's play. I've been watching him over
Speaker 5: the Test series against England and he's pulled it, you know,
Speaker 5: pulled it out.
Speaker 3: So that's fantastic.
Speaker 5: Stanton did okay also, you know, handling the questions as
Speaker 5: a captain because they are under pressure, There's no doubt
Speaker 5: about that.
Speaker 2: And the most encouraging thing about the last week or
Speaker 2: so has been the fact that we've seen Kyle Jamison
Speaker 2: back bowling at first class level, being services back on
Speaker 2: the park playing as a batsman only in a practice
Speaker 2: game for Wellington when I spoke to Shane Jurgensen and
Speaker 2: these are the young men we want to look to
Speaker 2: to hold New Zealand together over the next five to
Speaker 2: ten years. So encouraging and exciting stuff. Only this week
Speaker 2: the White Fins held high hopes of winning the Rose
Speaker 2: Bowl back from the Aussies, but a washout and two
Speaker 2: emphatic defeats left them pondering how do we bridge the
Speaker 2: Gulf between the ANZAC nations, here's been suet.
Speaker 9: There's a lot of positives to take out of it.
Speaker 9: I think the way that Bella came in and showed
Speaker 9: real good positive intern from the start. Obviously, Molly's you know,
Speaker 9: the way that she bowled in that first game was excellent.
Speaker 9: I thought the way that Maddie started today was great.
Speaker 9: Susie batted well. It's just about being able to do
Speaker 9: those things for a little bit longer. I think the
Speaker 9: takeaway is that in the T twenty and that shorter game,
Speaker 9: out some really good plans and we're able to execute
Speaker 9: those and it's spent out to do that for fifty overs.
Speaker 2: You were able to bowl them out in game three,
Speaker 2: but we're still lift chasing a mess of total.
Speaker 9: Twice we've done that. I think we were the first
Speaker 9: thing to bowl them out in T twenty for a while,
Speaker 9: so you know, I think we took seventeen wickets across
Speaker 9: the two games, So yes, that's a positive, but to
Speaker 9: nearly get three hun both times is yeah, something that
Speaker 9: we've got to work on to be able to just
Speaker 9: defend a little bit better so that we're not asking
Speaker 9: our batting team to chase three hundred against probably one
Speaker 9: of the better attacks in the world.
Speaker 2: Wides boundaries, dropped chances contributed to the difference between sides
Speaker 2: and also the experienced individuals in that Australian team.
Speaker 9: I think the difference in both games was one player,
Speaker 9: you know, Southerly when I got one hundred. I think,
Speaker 9: you know, Ash got a really good seventy today and
Speaker 9: it's just that one big score that we probably missed
Speaker 9: in both innings. So yeah, look, there were great signs.
Speaker 9: I thought we were on track there. We left about
Speaker 9: one forty in the last twenty, which is what you'd
Speaker 9: expect to get in a T twenty game, but you
Speaker 9: just fell away towards the end.
Speaker 2: Positive signs from Bella James on debut.
Speaker 9: Yeah, just the intent that she showed to play those
Speaker 9: little lap shots that she did against like I said,
Speaker 9: some of the world's best is really impressive. So she's
Speaker 9: not scared by the biggest scene and that's a real positive.
Speaker 9: So yeah, I think, you know, she's going to be
Speaker 9: really good for us going forward.
Speaker 2: What's the plan for your players now? Domestically?
Speaker 9: Firstly, for our White Ferns, it's important that they go
Speaker 9: back and they be the best players in the comp
Speaker 9: that's what we're going to ask them to do. You know,
Speaker 9: might happen all the time, but that's that's what we
Speaker 9: want them to achieve. And and like you said, there's
Speaker 9: there's spots up for grabs still in the batting line up.
Speaker 9: We want to we want to increase the depth there.
Speaker 9: So you know, anyone in domestic cricket that can put
Speaker 9: their hand up in this little phase is is probably
Speaker 9: going to get an opportunity in ODII cricket. And I
Speaker 9: think that's a real positive. So you know, we're looking
Speaker 9: for the depth in that batting line up in particular.
Speaker 2: Ben Toya, of course he's the coach and he's been
Speaker 2: re signed for another two years, has to be positive.
Speaker 2: He did look at the positives, but I think he
Speaker 2: understands there is a mess of golf that has to
Speaker 2: be bridged some way. Durian and I think we always
Speaker 2: knew that was going to be the case, didn't we.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did.
Speaker 5: I think everybody knows that they are slightly better side
Speaker 5: than New Zealand. The thing is when you when you
Speaker 5: lose matches, you tend to emphasize the good thing your
Speaker 5: team had done, you know, So New Zealand talk about
Speaker 5: have bended Molly Penfold's four wickets in the second game,
Speaker 5: and Bella James getting a couple of twenties on deve
Speaker 5: Boo and Maddie Green getting a cuple of thirty not out,
Speaker 5: you know, and you therefore you dig into the minuti
Speaker 5: of games where really, for me, the big message was
Speaker 5: they were both pretty one sided games, weren't they. And
Speaker 5: you said that one of your questions, you said.
Speaker 3: What about all the catchers.
Speaker 5: Our drop catchers anyway, they were pretty costly in the
Speaker 5: forty three wides, they were quite costly and three runouts
Speaker 5: and two of them involving Amelia Kerr, who's probably our
Speaker 5: best all round the ground player.
Speaker 3: So you know, there are certain things.
Speaker 5: And our bowler is you know, always going at five
Speaker 5: to six and over. So you know that may sound
Speaker 5: a bit harsh and we like to be as positive
Speaker 5: we can, but I mean, honestly, isn't a bad place
Speaker 5: to start. It's like the New Zealand teams saying no,
Speaker 5: we're a good catching team after the first Test, you know,
Speaker 5: not that day you weren't. So you know, it's a
Speaker 5: good place to start as a point of improvement. And
Speaker 5: then you begin the plans and establishing those and the
Speaker 5: work you need to do. It's a large task to
Speaker 5: generate more women players in New Zealand. Maybe I don't know,
Speaker 5: maybe our World Cup win will be the spark to
Speaker 5: generate a few of those. But you know, we we
Speaker 5: need more depths below it, We need more games, We
Speaker 5: need them to play.
Speaker 3: In different competitions if we can.
Speaker 5: So it's all money in the end, was for our
Speaker 5: for our in it, so so it's a question of priorities,
Speaker 5: I guess.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, they were a long way, long way short.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they've got games coming up to qualify for
Speaker 2: the next World Cup. So it would be interesting to
Speaker 2: see what kind of development they go through. But I
Speaker 2: guess they have to.
Speaker 3: Is that against India, we don't.
Speaker 2: Know, we don't know who they are because it'll be
Speaker 2: a time of players teams that haven't qualified for the
Speaker 2: Women's World Cup. Finally, I didn't realize that you were
Speaker 2: such a big star on Facebook, did you.
Speaker 3: Because I don't have it. I don't have Facebook.
Speaker 2: No, but you appeared or you were quoted or you
Speaker 2: were mentioned.
Speaker 3: It's interesting.
Speaker 2: It gets back to the sledging issue. I'll read you
Speaker 2: the exchange. I'm dropping this on you right out of
Speaker 2: the blue, Kevin and Patterson putting on the issue about Coley.
Speaker 2: He says, this is Melbourne, this is the home of
Speaker 2: the sledge. You don't survive playing in a suburban cricket
Speaker 2: in Footscray, Collingwood, Richmond without bringing the sledge and now
Speaker 2: the nudge. You've got to love Coley forgetting it and
Speaker 2: embracing Ossie culture. And a reply from one of your
Speaker 2: former teammates to Kevin Patterson say that wasn't sledging Melbourne
Speaker 2: or anywhere else. The cleverest sledger I ever saw was
Speaker 2: Jerry Coney, who was too clever for most. I didn't
Speaker 2: know you were a sledger.
Speaker 3: Just a quiet one.
Speaker 5: Was just a few little gentle words, usually from from
Speaker 5: in close, in close, on the off.
Speaker 2: Side, Ah, what was your best?
Speaker 3: But well, I don't know whether they were.
Speaker 5: They're not really they're not like you so and so
Speaker 5: or anything like that. It was more just suggestions, queries
Speaker 5: doubting their ability.
Speaker 3: We liked the look of that. We like the look
Speaker 3: of that, fellas Ef.
Speaker 5: You know what we were talking about last night, Evan Gray.
Speaker 5: Remember the thing we said about this player, this player,
Speaker 5: Shall we try that now?
Speaker 3: Okay? And well you know, and all those kinds of things.
Speaker 5: Really it was it was more suggestive than that sledging.
Speaker 3: Playing with the mind, yeah, that one.
Speaker 2: You were too clever for many of them, apparently, according
Speaker 2: to your former teammate, for which I am going to
Speaker 2: take issue, of course. But never mind. We will celebrate,
Speaker 2: We will celebrate New Year. I'm sure you will celebrate it,
Speaker 2: and we will be back in the new year with
Speaker 2: on the front foot. Have a good break and enjoy
Speaker 2: the celebrations of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: Absolutely all my best to everyone who listens, and those
Speaker 5: who don't, that's right, that's their problem, and I just
Speaker 5: hope you have a good a good time with your
Speaker 5: families and because that's what that's the time of the year, really,
Speaker 5: isn't it. So so the best best wishes from us.
Speaker 2: Indeed, Thanks Jerry Cares.
Speaker 3: Cheers once.
Speaker 7: Summer.
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