WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 201: Virat Kohli's arrogant behaviour 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said B. 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:18.093 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:19.133 --> 0:00:23.253 Y take another pair now in it's a chard, it 0:00:23.413 --> 0:00:24.853 is out. The test is over. 0:00:27.093 --> 0:00:29.333 Couldn't the smoke? Oh wows a beauty? 0:00:29.373 --> 0:00:33.213 It is out and hearing guys, this delivery has nun us. 0:00:33.253 --> 0:00:34.333 Its revolved. 0:00:36.253 --> 0:00:39.653 On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody 0:00:39.933 --> 0:00:44.413 powered by News Talk, said B at iHeartRadio. 0:00:47.333 --> 0:00:50.413 So on the Front Foot says goodbye to twenty four 0:00:50.493 --> 0:00:53.733 and ushers in the twenty twenty five. With the changing 0:00:53.893 --> 0:00:56.813 of the guard for the black Cats, new names emerging 0:00:57.093 --> 0:00:59.933 in our top teams, beginning with the whiteball sides under 0:01:00.093 --> 0:01:05.493 Mitchell Santner Bevan who Viven Jacobs. Of course, does the 0:01:05.533 --> 0:01:09.853 domestic game possess enough depth. There's still a huge gulf 0:01:09.893 --> 0:01:13.373 between the White fans and Australia. FORBA black Caps give 0:01:13.373 --> 0:01:17.133 her Tim Sudi won't be unemployed long, it seems He's 0:01:17.213 --> 0:01:20.053 currently contracted to New Zealand Cricker, but Saldi will captain 0:01:20.093 --> 0:01:22.973 the Shade of Warriors in the upcoming It l T 0:01:23.213 --> 0:01:27.173 twenty and is twenty percent of your match feet A 0:01:27.293 --> 0:01:29.493 kin to a slap on the hand with a wet 0:01:29.813 --> 0:01:34.333 icc sanction. Well that's what veriack Coli got, Jerry boy? 0:01:34.493 --> 0:01:38.093 Was he lit off light? Yeah? 0:01:38.813 --> 0:01:42.733 It was a bit mild, wasn't it, Yeah, Colie, in 0:01:42.853 --> 0:01:46.893 constance the two k's rather than the three k's KKK 0:01:47.413 --> 0:01:49.613 where they were in white. 0:01:49.333 --> 0:01:50.373 Two odds, weren't they. 0:01:51.373 --> 0:01:53.733 But look, I don't know what you thought, but it 0:01:53.813 --> 0:01:58.053 looked a very deliberate piece of you know, public bullying, 0:01:58.133 --> 0:02:02.293 didn't It designed to upset a youngster who was getting 0:02:02.333 --> 0:02:07.333 the better of the exchangers. And it was outside the 0:02:07.373 --> 0:02:11.333 actual transaction of play, it wasn't It was in between overs. 0:02:13.133 --> 0:02:17.973 You know, occasionally bowlers and fielders get in the way 0:02:18.013 --> 0:02:21.333 of batsman all the other way around because you know, 0:02:21.693 --> 0:02:24.733 they're taking a run something like that. That's but this 0:02:24.773 --> 0:02:28.293 one was very different, wasn't it. This was just a 0:02:28.333 --> 0:02:31.893 direction of movement into a direct line of another player 0:02:31.893 --> 0:02:34.973 in order to make contacts like swimmers stay in your 0:02:34.973 --> 0:02:36.453 own lane, you know. 0:02:37.893 --> 0:02:43.413 So yeah, I just I couldn't understand what prompted him 0:02:43.413 --> 0:02:45.373 to do it. I mean, okay, so the young kid 0:02:45.453 --> 0:02:49.213 was starting to show some exciting tendencies. I mean, he 0:02:49.253 --> 0:02:51.013 only had to look at his second and to know 0:02:51.053 --> 0:02:53.853 that he's not in the next Breadmond just yet. And 0:02:53.893 --> 0:02:56.893 it was entertaining stuff that set the Melbourne crowd a light. 0:02:57.333 --> 0:03:01.333 But was it Coley just saying don't try and outstage 0:03:01.413 --> 0:03:04.053 me or jump ahead of me in the Q soon, 0:03:04.213 --> 0:03:06.693 or can I upset you? There was a real touch 0:03:06.693 --> 0:03:09.813 of arrogance about it, even though where we probably shouldn't say. 0:03:09.613 --> 0:03:12.093 That, there was a bit of that. I think I'll 0:03:12.133 --> 0:03:14.893 be the one to do this. If anyone's going to 0:03:14.933 --> 0:03:16.733 do it from our team to try and upset him, 0:03:16.773 --> 0:03:17.293 it'll be me. 0:03:17.853 --> 0:03:21.133 And you know, I know it should constance call. 0:03:21.053 --> 0:03:25.133 For tackle bags behind the stumps in between overs. 0:03:25.453 --> 0:03:26.293 I don't know, but. 0:03:28.133 --> 0:03:32.413 I just felt it was just unnecessary. And I also 0:03:32.613 --> 0:03:37.333 thought that it's another example really of officials not quite knowing 0:03:37.373 --> 0:03:41.573 what to do, especially when it's involving India, who are 0:03:41.573 --> 0:03:45.933 the important powerful ones at the moment. And I guess 0:03:46.013 --> 0:03:49.093 whoever it was the match ref was he wants to 0:03:49.133 --> 0:03:50.373 go back to India at. 0:03:50.253 --> 0:03:52.053 Some point, so. 0:03:53.573 --> 0:03:55.933 There'll be some in India who back him for doing it. 0:03:56.013 --> 0:03:59.373 I mean, it's ridiculous. It was really just an extension 0:03:59.853 --> 0:04:03.133 a new phase of sledging wasn't it. I mean it's 0:04:03.213 --> 0:04:06.173 to put the opposition, put the opposition players off. 0:04:06.693 --> 0:04:08.893 No, just not something we want us see on a 0:04:08.893 --> 0:04:09.613 cricket field. 0:04:10.373 --> 0:04:12.573 Did you did you watch a lot of the Tests? 0:04:12.653 --> 0:04:15.253 Did you see the Jasuell run out with Coley? 0:04:15.613 --> 0:04:16.693 Yep, yeah I did. 0:04:18.133 --> 0:04:20.413 But to me that was a touch of arrogance as well. 0:04:20.733 --> 0:04:22.933 He was the non strike. He was called for a run. 0:04:22.973 --> 0:04:25.413 Whether it was a good run or not. Jaswell had 0:04:25.453 --> 0:04:29.333 played it up and taken the run and and Coley 0:04:29.493 --> 0:04:32.253 just stood there his ground. He didn't you know, he 0:04:32.333 --> 0:04:36.013 was basically ball watching and saying to Jaswell, hey, son, 0:04:36.173 --> 0:04:38.253 don't there's no run there. I'm not I'm not putting 0:04:38.293 --> 0:04:42.253 my life at risk. And yet Jaswell had most of 0:04:42.293 --> 0:04:44.533 the runs on the board at that stage. It seemed 0:04:44.733 --> 0:04:47.573 a little bit strange. You sort of respond to your mate, 0:04:47.573 --> 0:04:48.893 don't you when you're when you're betting. 0:04:49.813 --> 0:04:50.133 Yeah. 0:04:50.173 --> 0:04:52.893 Look, first, the first point I think to make about it. 0:04:52.893 --> 0:04:55.253 It looked like to me a very tight run. He 0:04:55.293 --> 0:04:59.133 actually hit that quite hard. Yeah, and it went to 0:04:59.253 --> 0:05:03.773 a sort of a medium depths mid on didn't it 0:05:05.453 --> 0:05:10.533 in Cummings and it went to the correct hand. And therefore, 0:05:10.653 --> 0:05:13.573 because he was a little bit deeper than beside the stumps. 0:05:13.613 --> 0:05:18.933 There were three of them to aim at. So that's 0:05:18.973 --> 0:05:21.893 why Jase Will kept moving. To me, he kept moving 0:05:22.293 --> 0:05:27.333 swiftly because he knew it was tight. And really that's 0:05:27.453 --> 0:05:30.573 Coley's job. You either take the guy on trust, which 0:05:30.613 --> 0:05:32.733 you have to do because you can't ball watch there. 0:05:33.133 --> 0:05:35.533 You take the guy on trust and you run, or 0:05:36.453 --> 0:05:39.013 the other option you've got is to shout out weight. 0:05:40.613 --> 0:05:42.773 This is where you come back to your rules. Was 0:05:42.853 --> 0:05:47.733 in your three calls, yes, no weight and weight would 0:05:47.733 --> 0:05:50.653 have been an early call of weight and Jacewell probably 0:05:50.693 --> 0:05:51.853 would have got back. 0:05:53.133 --> 0:05:55.053 If Coley wasn't intending to run. 0:05:55.333 --> 0:05:58.613 You shout weight. It's not worth a wicket, is it 0:05:58.653 --> 0:06:03.373 for one run? So, and particularly at that time when 0:06:03.373 --> 0:06:06.013 they kind of had Australia at their mercy a bit, 0:06:06.533 --> 0:06:11.693 both of them batting well and a good partnership developing, 0:06:12.373 --> 0:06:16.413 and it affected Coli. I mean he played wider than 0:06:16.413 --> 0:06:20.893 he normally had in that innings two or three overs later, 0:06:20.973 --> 0:06:24.813 didn't need to bowl, and so that was an important 0:06:24.853 --> 0:06:28.133 part of that game. Really, that that pulled. And I 0:06:28.173 --> 0:06:30.533 mean they lost two or three wickets, didn't they quite quickly? 0:06:32.093 --> 0:06:35.453 That that pulled India out of the game a little 0:06:35.453 --> 0:06:40.053 bit and left quite a large deficit. 0:06:40.853 --> 0:06:46.413 Just a quick question, when did yes no Weight become outdated? 0:06:46.413 --> 0:06:49.973 Because she hears so many different calls, now, don't you running? One? 0:06:50.973 --> 0:06:53.893 Maybe something that I always remember the one of Jabad 0:06:53.973 --> 0:06:55.493 me and Dad, wasn't it when he was called and 0:06:55.533 --> 0:06:58.093 it was looking like a runout and he said, yes, 0:06:58.373 --> 0:06:59.613 I am not coming. 0:07:03.653 --> 0:07:07.213 Yeah, yeah, And there's partner shaking hands with him. So 0:07:08.013 --> 0:07:13.293 yeah that Look, it's been decided. It was decided over years, wads, 0:07:13.373 --> 0:07:16.613 years and years, and you need to just be very 0:07:16.653 --> 0:07:20.693 clear and concise. Needs to be concise. One word, it's 0:07:20.733 --> 0:07:24.533 all you need, and very clear. So that was where 0:07:24.573 --> 0:07:29.533 the problem was. Jacewell taking a pretty tight run to 0:07:30.053 --> 0:07:33.213 having to run hard because it was tight, kept running 0:07:34.093 --> 0:07:39.133 and no response from Coolie really and then as you say, 0:07:39.253 --> 0:07:41.693 started to turn behind him that he was gone then. 0:07:41.853 --> 0:07:45.693 So it's that that that one, to mid On is 0:07:45.733 --> 0:07:46.333 quite tricky. 0:07:46.373 --> 0:07:48.133 You can be quite tricky and you've got to follow 0:07:48.173 --> 0:07:50.933 the rules very carefully, and you've. 0:07:50.813 --> 0:07:53.133 Got to pick your fielders too. Some are quick, some aren't, 0:07:53.173 --> 0:07:56.933 and generally a bowl there and you think, well I 0:07:56.973 --> 0:07:58.213 can get a run in here. 0:07:59.093 --> 0:08:01.133 Well the throw was quite wild, wasn't it. 0:08:01.173 --> 0:08:03.333 I mean Carey had to go and get it and 0:08:03.333 --> 0:08:06.693 then take it to the stumps, so so Jacewell would 0:08:06.693 --> 0:08:09.013 have had time to go back, no doubt about that 0:08:09.053 --> 0:08:09.653 in my mind. 0:08:10.853 --> 0:08:13.893 Yeap, interesting one. Well, we'll watched with interest because it 0:08:13.933 --> 0:08:17.613 looks as though Australia are headed to the World Test 0:08:17.733 --> 0:08:21.933 Championship with only a day and a Test match to play, 0:08:22.173 --> 0:08:25.173 and of course South Africa have just guaranteed themselves a 0:08:25.173 --> 0:08:27.853 place in the final by beating Pakistan in a Test 0:08:27.893 --> 0:08:32.053 match back home. New names coming to the forefront in 0:08:32.373 --> 0:08:35.533 the New Zealand side for various reasons. So they've got 0:08:35.533 --> 0:08:39.013 players who are overseas playing white ball cricket and aren't 0:08:39.013 --> 0:08:41.453 playing in the home series, but a few new names. 0:08:41.453 --> 0:08:45.053 I suppose you get to a stage when the players 0:08:45.173 --> 0:08:47.933 who have been around a while are retiring. We've lost 0:08:48.093 --> 0:08:52.373 Sauthi from the Test game. There's rumors of other players 0:08:52.413 --> 0:08:55.533 considering retirement and that's got to be considered. A new 0:08:55.613 --> 0:08:59.893 name in the white ball side. Bevan Jacobs. Hardly knew him, 0:09:00.053 --> 0:09:02.493 never heard of him until he played a game against 0:09:02.493 --> 0:09:05.733 Wellington recently in the Plunket Shield. He's a major surprise 0:09:05.773 --> 0:09:09.573 a player who hadn't featured in national prominence, and after 0:09:09.613 --> 0:09:12.613 making the IPO contract list, it seemed less of a 0:09:12.653 --> 0:09:15.893 surprise that he should earn white Ball black Caps selection, 0:09:16.453 --> 0:09:18.493 but all the same, a welcome surprise for a young 0:09:18.533 --> 0:09:19.573 man from Auckland. 0:09:19.613 --> 0:09:21.173 If you told me this would happen a month ago, 0:09:21.173 --> 0:09:23.813 I probably wouldn't believe it. It's it's yeah, like I said, 0:09:23.853 --> 0:09:26.413 it's a cliche, but it's something you dream about. It's 0:09:26.413 --> 0:09:29.573 something you know, I grew up watching and being able 0:09:29.613 --> 0:09:31.093 to share the field with some of these players, I 0:09:31.093 --> 0:09:32.813 think it is going to be pretty special, and I'm 0:09:32.893 --> 0:09:34.653 just going to try to, you know, absorb as much 0:09:34.653 --> 0:09:36.373 as I can learn from them and you know, and 0:09:36.373 --> 0:09:37.933 hopefully be able to put some runs on the board 0:09:37.933 --> 0:09:38.253 as well. 0:09:38.413 --> 0:09:41.893 They're both pretty big surprises. I think. 0:09:42.413 --> 0:09:46.773 I think the black Caps one was probably oh, I 0:09:46.773 --> 0:09:49.133 don't even know. IPO feels like such a slim chance, 0:09:49.173 --> 0:09:52.253 but black Caps is something that, you know, I've dreamed 0:09:52.253 --> 0:09:55.133 about since since a kid. I think ipl was kind 0:09:55.173 --> 0:09:57.613 of a focus or like a like a goal maybe 0:09:57.653 --> 0:09:59.413 set a little bit later. Black Caps has always been 0:09:59.453 --> 0:10:00.893 the dream, you know, So I think that's probably the 0:10:00.933 --> 0:10:04.093 one that hit me the hardest, but obviously both both 0:10:04.173 --> 0:10:06.733 really special and just you know, glad to have the opportunity. 0:10:06.933 --> 0:10:10.253 You've been selected for the ball team initially. But is 0:10:10.293 --> 0:10:11.733 test cricket a goal also? 0:10:12.293 --> 0:10:15.853 I don't want to be a one dimensional better Obviously 0:10:15.853 --> 0:10:17.573 I like to I like to bring that power game 0:10:18.493 --> 0:10:21.013 into the team, but I think I think, you know, 0:10:21.133 --> 0:10:23.213 going for that longer format stuff definitely something I want 0:10:23.213 --> 0:10:25.853 to work towards and be recognized as going forward. 0:10:26.093 --> 0:10:28.533 Does testmate cricket suit your style of play? 0:10:28.933 --> 0:10:29.413 Yeah, I guess. 0:10:29.533 --> 0:10:31.893 I mean there's obviously been some common trends with with 0:10:31.973 --> 0:10:35.453 some extra power, some more creativity coming into the into 0:10:35.453 --> 0:10:37.453 the red Bull set up there, but I think it's 0:10:37.613 --> 0:10:39.533 more just about how everyone goes at their own sort 0:10:39.533 --> 0:10:41.413 of way, right, And you know, if that's the way 0:10:41.413 --> 0:10:43.773 that I can I can bring an impact in that situation, 0:10:43.893 --> 0:10:44.893 then then that's. 0:10:44.733 --> 0:10:45.453 What I'm trying and do. 0:10:45.533 --> 0:10:47.213 But if it's if it's something a little bit more 0:10:47.213 --> 0:10:48.893 than I need to develop, then I'll work on that 0:10:48.933 --> 0:10:49.253 as well. 0:10:49.413 --> 0:10:51.853 So what's been your development through the New Zealand game? 0:10:52.213 --> 0:10:55.173 Born in South Africa, but you've progressed through the age 0:10:55.213 --> 0:10:56.093 groups up north. 0:10:56.293 --> 0:10:59.373 Came down to Lincoln on a on a cricket scholarship 0:10:59.413 --> 0:11:02.613 and I got sorted with the strength and conditioning program 0:11:02.653 --> 0:11:05.333 here and then I kind of just fell in love 0:11:05.373 --> 0:11:07.293 with that sort of side of a side of the sport, 0:11:07.333 --> 0:11:09.613 getting in the gym and you know, it's just something 0:11:09.613 --> 0:11:12.693 that I like to tick off pretty pretty frequently. Obviously 0:11:12.693 --> 0:11:14.853 growing up in Auckland's and that was awesome in age 0:11:14.853 --> 0:11:17.533 group cricket. But yeah, I mean I spent three three 0:11:17.533 --> 0:11:19.133 good years down there and I really enjoyed it. And 0:11:19.573 --> 0:11:22.093 so to get have it announced here, you know, it's 0:11:22.093 --> 0:11:24.413 not it's not the worst situation ever, so it's good. 0:11:25.253 --> 0:11:25.453 Yeah. 0:11:25.533 --> 0:11:30.293 So obviously grew up in Auckland, Hibiscus Coast as a junior, 0:11:31.293 --> 0:11:35.413 played premier cricket for a couple of clubs and then 0:11:36.693 --> 0:11:41.013 under seventeens for Auckland, under nineteens for Auckland and two 0:11:41.013 --> 0:11:41.413 out of the. 0:11:41.373 --> 0:11:42.773 Three we won, which was awesome. 0:11:43.013 --> 0:11:45.693 A good bunch of lads, a couple of which i'm 0:11:45.693 --> 0:11:47.333 playing with right now, which is always good to share 0:11:47.333 --> 0:11:50.093 the field with them, good memories. And then three three 0:11:50.133 --> 0:11:52.533 seasons or two and a half seasons here in christ 0:11:52.573 --> 0:11:55.093 Church with Sydenham, so that was also good. Fun, and 0:11:55.373 --> 0:11:57.373 you know, every step of the way with each club 0:11:57.413 --> 0:12:00.973 and which with each sort of organization really really supportive 0:12:00.973 --> 0:12:03.493 of my journey and my career. So yeah, and that's 0:12:03.533 --> 0:12:05.893 been that's been really awesome. And even in school cricket, 0:12:05.893 --> 0:12:09.493 you know, five years at Westlake Power Westlate Boys, really 0:12:09.573 --> 0:12:12.093 enjoyed my time there. And then yes, starting off with 0:12:12.493 --> 0:12:15.733 Canarby and then eventually moving back to Auckland. It's been 0:12:15.733 --> 0:12:18.933 a bit of a journey of left and right. They're 0:12:18.973 --> 0:12:21.253 about but Lack, I've enjoyed every step of the way 0:12:21.293 --> 0:12:24.053 and I'm just I'm just glad that I can get 0:12:24.053 --> 0:12:25.853 the opportunity to hopefully go there on the park and 0:12:25.893 --> 0:12:26.693 perform for everyone. 0:12:27.453 --> 0:12:30.653 That's a bit of Jacobs showing there is dip from 0:12:30.653 --> 0:12:33.093 the domestic game. Then to check that out, I called 0:12:33.093 --> 0:12:36.613 into the basin where the Firebirds were training and I 0:12:36.653 --> 0:12:39.573 had a chat with their coach, Shane Jurgenson, who says 0:12:39.693 --> 0:12:42.733 they are meeting the numbers game, but are being tested 0:12:42.773 --> 0:12:46.773 at times for depth. Jurgensen knows full well the talent 0:12:46.853 --> 0:12:49.933 that Jacob's possesses. He scored well against Wellington and the 0:12:49.973 --> 0:12:51.653 Pluck at Shield earlier this season. 0:12:51.973 --> 0:12:53.813 Yeah, he got two adies in a hurry. 0:12:54.613 --> 0:12:57.013 I was for sure already kept hitting the ball out 0:12:57.053 --> 0:13:00.253 on the road, one of the bigger roundabouts in the 0:13:00.253 --> 0:13:03.013 world around the base reserve. So yeah, it certainly hits 0:13:03.053 --> 0:13:05.453 the ball a long way, hits the ball a long 0:13:05.493 --> 0:13:08.213 way on both sides of the wicket, which makes for 0:13:08.493 --> 0:13:11.253 the captain's extremely hard you know, hits ball cleanly over 0:13:11.293 --> 0:13:13.853 met off as he does over you know the traditional 0:13:13.973 --> 0:13:16.573 sort of maybe the hits to sort of mean on 0:13:16.613 --> 0:13:17.173 the mid wickets. 0:13:17.213 --> 0:13:20.133 So yeah, certainly a powerful young man, not a player 0:13:20.133 --> 0:13:20.573 from nowhere. 0:13:20.653 --> 0:13:22.413 Is obviously played a bit of cricket in christ Chitch 0:13:22.453 --> 0:13:25.853 and played an Auckland domestic cricket. But we're at the 0:13:25.933 --> 0:13:30.453 phase of the season now where the players coming through 0:13:30.493 --> 0:13:33.173 the development phase. I suppose you're looking at We've had 0:13:33.973 --> 0:13:36.573 one player retired to him South. There are rumors about 0:13:36.613 --> 0:13:40.653 others who might ending their careers at some stage. Now's 0:13:40.693 --> 0:13:45.493 the time that you want your development players, don't you. Depth? 0:13:46.053 --> 0:13:48.573 And I guess as a coach you're looking at that 0:13:48.693 --> 0:13:51.293 depth in the competitions that you've got to play now. 0:13:51.773 --> 0:13:54.773 Yeah, definitely, I think this is a similar time to 0:13:55.133 --> 0:13:58.693 maybe COVID. Actually, so during COVID there was different squads 0:13:58.693 --> 0:14:01.133 at times and players. You know, my time with the 0:14:01.133 --> 0:14:03.773 Black Caps, he had the emergence of the Will Youngs, 0:14:03.973 --> 0:14:08.093 Russian Rave Indra, Glenn Phillips, Mark Chapman. You know, when 0:14:08.493 --> 0:14:11.453 you know, different players came in for different tours, whether 0:14:11.493 --> 0:14:14.293 it be like for Ireland and Scotland and just just 0:14:14.333 --> 0:14:18.173 for an example, and that gay players, different players opportunity 0:14:18.213 --> 0:14:22.133 to have that experience at that level. And I think, 0:14:23.293 --> 0:14:26.493 as you know, that's the opportunity there is now during 0:14:26.493 --> 0:14:29.093 this period of you know, the different contracts that have 0:14:29.173 --> 0:14:31.213 been sort of set up as well and guys going 0:14:31.253 --> 0:14:33.893 to play TEA twenty franchise cricket, there's an opportunity for 0:14:33.933 --> 0:14:35.253 guys to come in and play a role. 0:14:35.893 --> 0:14:39.133 You've had the problem in the past anyway with Ravender, 0:14:39.253 --> 0:14:41.853 with Conway, et cetera, et cetera, ceterc. Blundle and so 0:14:42.013 --> 0:14:46.933 have the other first class provinces associations had to find 0:14:47.213 --> 0:14:50.013 some depth. Is it easy to get the quality of 0:14:50.053 --> 0:14:50.773 depth that you want? 0:14:51.293 --> 0:14:52.093 No, not easy. 0:14:52.813 --> 0:14:55.013 You've got to sort of you know, for us here 0:14:55.093 --> 0:14:58.133 we've had a week of preparation T twenty preparation that 0:14:58.213 --> 0:15:00.573 was again for us, a great opportunity to get some 0:15:00.653 --> 0:15:02.533 guys in to. 0:15:02.413 --> 0:15:04.373 Be in and around the squad for a week. 0:15:05.013 --> 0:15:08.333 But we did some skills work fielding, batting and bowling, 0:15:09.573 --> 0:15:10.493 and then we had a game. 0:15:10.573 --> 0:15:11.533 We wanted to have another game. 0:15:11.533 --> 0:15:13.613 We're actually going to have two T ten games, so 0:15:13.653 --> 0:15:16.813 we could actually focus on different elements of T twenty 0:15:16.853 --> 0:15:20.493 cricket in terms of the the powerful phases of death 0:15:20.533 --> 0:15:21.533 and the start of the innings. 0:15:21.533 --> 0:15:23.173 But we missed out on doing that with the rain. 0:15:23.293 --> 0:15:27.333 But I think for us guys, the emergence of people 0:15:27.853 --> 0:15:30.973 not just within our squad, Jesse tash Gov for example, 0:15:31.013 --> 0:15:33.573 who's had some good opportunities at the NZ at eleven recently, 0:15:33.653 --> 0:15:36.253 Troy Johnson, who's been around the squad for a while. 0:15:36.253 --> 0:15:39.373 But then there were some players that we included Sam Morgan, 0:15:39.493 --> 0:15:42.853 who's an opener from Upper Heart I think, and played 0:15:43.213 --> 0:15:45.813 a couple of really good innings, and Oscar Jackson, who 0:15:45.973 --> 0:15:49.413 was in New Zealand and nineteen captain the last World 0:15:49.413 --> 0:15:52.293 carp and Heat actually played some good innings in the 0:15:52.333 --> 0:15:53.213 game it was played. 0:15:54.253 --> 0:15:55.893 Yeah, so there's certainly some players. 0:15:55.933 --> 0:15:59.933 I think what this opportunity does is you have players 0:15:59.933 --> 0:16:02.413 step up into the Black Caps. Then in your squad, 0:16:02.693 --> 0:16:04.093 you know, we've got one of the biggest squads we've 0:16:04.093 --> 0:16:07.013 ever had in the Wellington fire Birds, twenty three players, 0:16:08.693 --> 0:16:11.373 so you know that's for us, that's managing that. But 0:16:11.413 --> 0:16:14.213 at the moment we're actually down to only thirteen players. 0:16:14.453 --> 0:16:18.133 So it's gone from having a wealth of players to 0:16:18.173 --> 0:16:19.813 all of a sudden with the amount of you know, 0:16:19.853 --> 0:16:23.333 that's the success that we've had. I suppose here for 0:16:23.413 --> 0:16:25.973 individuals being called up to Black Caps and his shrink 0:16:26.013 --> 0:16:28.053 and tour and then yeah, and all of a sudden 0:16:28.053 --> 0:16:29.453 we're down to thirteen players. 0:16:29.533 --> 0:16:32.253 Yeah, and that depth has been tested too with one 0:16:32.253 --> 0:16:35.853 of your bowling leaders, Nathan Smith, coming back from injury 0:16:36.253 --> 0:16:40.173 and starting to show I think the talent that many 0:16:40.253 --> 0:16:43.733 people believed he had. What did you think of his 0:16:43.933 --> 0:16:45.413 Test match performance? 0:16:45.933 --> 0:16:48.213 Oh yeah, it contributed really well, just the way that 0:16:48.253 --> 0:16:52.053 we thought he would. Really he's a real impact player. 0:16:52.053 --> 0:16:54.853 He's exciting to watch, you know, hits the ball out 0:16:54.853 --> 0:16:57.173 of the park, but also can play long innings if 0:16:57.173 --> 0:17:00.693 you need fielding. I think there was a runout during 0:17:00.693 --> 0:17:02.813 that Test series it was a great runout that he 0:17:02.933 --> 0:17:05.893 was including. And then also you know he's bowling when 0:17:05.893 --> 0:17:08.333 he comes on, he's he's very accurate, and he's always 0:17:08.453 --> 0:17:13.053 at the bowler, so yes, he's really gives you that 0:17:13.133 --> 0:17:15.493 impact that you want as a player to be able 0:17:15.493 --> 0:17:18.053 to keep pushing and looking to take wickets and score 0:17:18.133 --> 0:17:19.613 runs and be a great field. 0:17:20.493 --> 0:17:24.093 Yeah, and you get to a stage where I suppose 0:17:24.133 --> 0:17:26.213 as a coach you want to win trophies that are 0:17:26.253 --> 0:17:28.813 important to you, but you also have to prepare players 0:17:28.893 --> 0:17:30.893 for higher honors, don't you. I mean you've got to 0:17:31.013 --> 0:17:33.733 You've got to mix both those in terms of your. 0:17:33.653 --> 0:17:34.253 Plans, don't you. 0:17:34.773 --> 0:17:34.973 Yeah. 0:17:34.973 --> 0:17:36.933 I think all coaches have egos and you want to win. 0:17:38.093 --> 0:17:40.253 But at the same time, you know, my role here 0:17:40.413 --> 0:17:41.453 is highly. 0:17:41.973 --> 0:17:44.413 Geared towards developing black Caps. 0:17:44.533 --> 0:17:47.573 The ones that are existing and also future black Caps, 0:17:47.573 --> 0:17:52.533 and creating an environment where everyone can learn feel as 0:17:52.533 --> 0:17:55.573 though that they belong and that's my that's basically probably 0:17:55.573 --> 0:17:58.693 more important in a lot of ways. And then and 0:17:59.413 --> 0:18:03.373 having making the push to win trophies. So I really 0:18:03.453 --> 0:18:07.573 enjoy that aspect of it, you know, obviously having been 0:18:07.613 --> 0:18:11.093 at that level for nearly fifteen years and you know, 0:18:11.333 --> 0:18:13.093 I might have a little bit of intel on how 0:18:13.133 --> 0:18:16.613 to get there. But also it's also more importantly about 0:18:16.653 --> 0:18:19.093 the player and their own development, to get their own 0:18:19.133 --> 0:18:21.373 paths to get to that stage. 0:18:21.413 --> 0:18:23.813 And you've got players who are pretty much on the verge. 0:18:23.813 --> 0:18:25.493 You have a look at somebody like Nick Kelly, who's 0:18:25.533 --> 0:18:27.733 been there or thereabouts in the new zeald No program, 0:18:28.013 --> 0:18:31.853 and other players in your side, and I suppose that 0:18:32.373 --> 0:18:34.613 they are akin to some of the players for the 0:18:34.653 --> 0:18:37.973 other associations as well, aren't they. You see a guy 0:18:38.013 --> 0:18:39.933 come into the Cannitory side and score a double ton 0:18:40.213 --> 0:18:43.773 this first game as Captain Maru. I think, you know, 0:18:44.413 --> 0:18:47.653 these are obviously talented players who are looking for higher 0:18:47.653 --> 0:18:48.733 honors as well, aren't they. 0:18:48.853 --> 0:18:50.533 Oh yeah, Nick Kelly, Yeah exactly. 0:18:50.613 --> 0:18:53.573 And you could also say Nick is in the form 0:18:53.573 --> 0:18:55.613 of his life last sort of two or three years. 0:18:56.253 --> 0:18:58.893 You know, extremely fit, can certainly push up to the 0:18:58.933 --> 0:19:02.853 next level, no problem, tough player, really good feel for 0:19:02.893 --> 0:19:05.093 the game, and also a game that can adapt to 0:19:05.133 --> 0:19:08.013 all formats, which is one of one of the really 0:19:08.093 --> 0:19:09.613 strong thing about Nick. 0:19:10.293 --> 0:19:11.213 You know, moa bass. 0:19:11.893 --> 0:19:15.173 You know, his impressive year last year, and the important 0:19:15.173 --> 0:19:18.293 thing for him now is he's after you know, he's 0:19:18.333 --> 0:19:22.453 really worked hard his fitness during the winter. He's certainly stronger, fitter. 0:19:23.133 --> 0:19:25.293 He's had a couple of injuries because of that, because 0:19:25.373 --> 0:19:26.973 all of a sudden he's a lot more powerful and 0:19:27.013 --> 0:19:30.373 he's he's bowling quicker, and so he's but we're looking 0:19:30.413 --> 0:19:32.493 for him to have a good impact with the balls 0:19:32.573 --> 0:19:34.573 or and the super smash coming on and bowling couple 0:19:34.693 --> 0:19:37.893 overs in the middle stages. And then you've got, of course, 0:19:37.893 --> 0:19:40.613 you know, someone like Tim Robinson who's had an amazing 0:19:40.653 --> 0:19:42.933 super smash last year and with the black Caps now 0:19:43.013 --> 0:19:45.453 and you know we're looking forward to getting him back. 0:19:46.093 --> 0:19:48.413 You know, all those players like Nathan Smith. You know 0:19:48.413 --> 0:19:50.093 we loved have him back as much as we can, 0:19:50.213 --> 0:19:55.053 but you know we'll enjoy their experience and there you 0:19:55.093 --> 0:19:57.293 know what they can bring the team when we have them. 0:19:57.973 --> 0:20:02.133 Just the development program suitable enough for preparing players for 0:20:02.493 --> 0:20:06.173 international cricket. You've got the domestic competition. There's a development 0:20:06.213 --> 0:20:09.493 squad of young players going around the country now at 0:20:09.813 --> 0:20:12.813