1 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said B. 2 00:00:12,413 --> 00:00:18,093 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:19,133 --> 00:00:23,253 Speaker 2: Y take another pair now in it's a chard, it 4 00:00:23,413 --> 00:00:24,853 Speaker 2: is out. The test is over. 5 00:00:27,093 --> 00:00:29,333 Speaker 3: Couldn't the smoke? Oh wows a beauty? 6 00:00:29,373 --> 00:00:33,213 Speaker 2: It is out and hearing guys, this delivery has nun us. 7 00:00:33,253 --> 00:00:34,333 Speaker 4: Its revolved. 8 00:00:36,253 --> 00:00:39,653 Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody 9 00:00:39,933 --> 00:00:44,413 Speaker 1: powered by News Talk, said B at iHeartRadio. 10 00:00:47,333 --> 00:00:50,413 Speaker 2: So on the Front Foot says goodbye to twenty four 11 00:00:50,493 --> 00:00:53,733 Speaker 2: and ushers in the twenty twenty five. With the changing 12 00:00:53,893 --> 00:00:56,813 Speaker 2: of the guard for the black Cats, new names emerging 13 00:00:57,093 --> 00:00:59,933 Speaker 2: in our top teams, beginning with the whiteball sides under 14 00:01:00,093 --> 00:01:05,493 Speaker 2: Mitchell Santner Bevan who Viven Jacobs. Of course, does the 15 00:01:05,533 --> 00:01:09,853 Speaker 2: domestic game possess enough depth. There's still a huge gulf 16 00:01:09,893 --> 00:01:13,373 Speaker 2: between the White fans and Australia. FORBA black Caps give 17 00:01:13,373 --> 00:01:17,133 Speaker 2: her Tim Sudi won't be unemployed long, it seems He's 18 00:01:17,213 --> 00:01:20,053 Speaker 2: currently contracted to New Zealand Cricker, but Saldi will captain 19 00:01:20,093 --> 00:01:22,973 Speaker 2: the Shade of Warriors in the upcoming It l T 20 00:01:23,213 --> 00:01:27,173 Speaker 2: twenty and is twenty percent of your match feet A 21 00:01:27,293 --> 00:01:29,493 Speaker 2: kin to a slap on the hand with a wet 22 00:01:29,813 --> 00:01:34,333 Speaker 2: icc sanction. Well that's what veriack Coli got, Jerry boy? 23 00:01:34,493 --> 00:01:38,093 Speaker 2: Was he lit off light? Yeah? 24 00:01:38,813 --> 00:01:42,733 Speaker 5: It was a bit mild, wasn't it, Yeah, Colie, in 25 00:01:42,853 --> 00:01:46,893 Speaker 5: constance the two k's rather than the three k's KKK 26 00:01:47,413 --> 00:01:49,613 Speaker 5: where they were in white. 27 00:01:49,333 --> 00:01:50,373 Speaker 3: Two odds, weren't they. 28 00:01:51,373 --> 00:01:53,733 Speaker 5: But look, I don't know what you thought, but it 29 00:01:53,813 --> 00:01:58,053 Speaker 5: looked a very deliberate piece of you know, public bullying, 30 00:01:58,133 --> 00:02:02,293 Speaker 5: didn't It designed to upset a youngster who was getting 31 00:02:02,333 --> 00:02:07,333 Speaker 5: the better of the exchangers. And it was outside the 32 00:02:07,373 --> 00:02:11,333 Speaker 5: actual transaction of play, it wasn't It was in between overs. 33 00:02:13,133 --> 00:02:17,973 Speaker 5: You know, occasionally bowlers and fielders get in the way 34 00:02:18,013 --> 00:02:21,333 Speaker 5: of batsman all the other way around because you know, 35 00:02:21,693 --> 00:02:24,733 Speaker 5: they're taking a run something like that. That's but this 36 00:02:24,773 --> 00:02:28,293 Speaker 5: one was very different, wasn't it. This was just a 37 00:02:28,333 --> 00:02:31,893 Speaker 5: direction of movement into a direct line of another player 38 00:02:31,893 --> 00:02:34,973 Speaker 5: in order to make contacts like swimmers stay in your 39 00:02:34,973 --> 00:02:36,453 Speaker 5: own lane, you know. 40 00:02:37,893 --> 00:02:43,413 Speaker 2: So yeah, I just I couldn't understand what prompted him 41 00:02:43,413 --> 00:02:45,373 Speaker 2: to do it. I mean, okay, so the young kid 42 00:02:45,453 --> 00:02:49,213 Speaker 2: was starting to show some exciting tendencies. I mean, he 43 00:02:49,253 --> 00:02:51,013 Speaker 2: only had to look at his second and to know 44 00:02:51,053 --> 00:02:53,853 Speaker 2: that he's not in the next Breadmond just yet. And 45 00:02:53,893 --> 00:02:56,893 Speaker 2: it was entertaining stuff that set the Melbourne crowd a light. 46 00:02:57,333 --> 00:03:01,333 Speaker 2: But was it Coley just saying don't try and outstage 47 00:03:01,413 --> 00:03:04,053 Speaker 2: me or jump ahead of me in the Q soon, 48 00:03:04,213 --> 00:03:06,693 Speaker 2: or can I upset you? There was a real touch 49 00:03:06,693 --> 00:03:09,813 Speaker 2: of arrogance about it, even though where we probably shouldn't say. 50 00:03:09,613 --> 00:03:12,093 Speaker 5: That, there was a bit of that. I think I'll 51 00:03:12,133 --> 00:03:14,893 Speaker 5: be the one to do this. If anyone's going to 52 00:03:14,933 --> 00:03:16,733 Speaker 5: do it from our team to try and upset him, 53 00:03:16,773 --> 00:03:17,293 Speaker 5: it'll be me. 54 00:03:17,853 --> 00:03:21,133 Speaker 3: And you know, I know it should constance call. 55 00:03:21,053 --> 00:03:25,133 Speaker 5: For tackle bags behind the stumps in between overs. 56 00:03:25,453 --> 00:03:26,293 Speaker 3: I don't know, but. 57 00:03:28,133 --> 00:03:32,413 Speaker 5: I just felt it was just unnecessary. And I also 58 00:03:32,613 --> 00:03:37,333 Speaker 5: thought that it's another example really of officials not quite knowing 59 00:03:37,373 --> 00:03:41,573 Speaker 5: what to do, especially when it's involving India, who are 60 00:03:41,573 --> 00:03:45,933 Speaker 5: the important powerful ones at the moment. And I guess 61 00:03:46,013 --> 00:03:49,093 Speaker 5: whoever it was the match ref was he wants to 62 00:03:49,133 --> 00:03:50,373 Speaker 5: go back to India at. 63 00:03:50,253 --> 00:03:52,053 Speaker 3: Some point, so. 64 00:03:53,573 --> 00:03:55,933 Speaker 5: There'll be some in India who back him for doing it. 65 00:03:56,013 --> 00:03:59,373 Speaker 5: I mean, it's ridiculous. It was really just an extension 66 00:03:59,853 --> 00:04:03,133 Speaker 5: a new phase of sledging wasn't it. I mean it's 67 00:04:03,213 --> 00:04:06,173 Speaker 5: to put the opposition, put the opposition players off. 68 00:04:06,693 --> 00:04:08,893 Speaker 3: No, just not something we want us see on a 69 00:04:08,893 --> 00:04:09,613 Speaker 3: cricket field. 70 00:04:10,373 --> 00:04:12,573 Speaker 2: Did you did you watch a lot of the Tests? 71 00:04:12,653 --> 00:04:15,253 Speaker 2: Did you see the Jasuell run out with Coley? 72 00:04:15,613 --> 00:04:16,693 Speaker 3: Yep, yeah I did. 73 00:04:18,133 --> 00:04:20,413 Speaker 2: But to me that was a touch of arrogance as well. 74 00:04:20,733 --> 00:04:22,933 Speaker 2: He was the non strike. He was called for a run. 75 00:04:22,973 --> 00:04:25,413 Speaker 2: Whether it was a good run or not. Jaswell had 76 00:04:25,453 --> 00:04:29,333 Speaker 2: played it up and taken the run and and Coley 77 00:04:29,493 --> 00:04:32,253 Speaker 2: just stood there his ground. He didn't you know, he 78 00:04:32,333 --> 00:04:36,013 Speaker 2: was basically ball watching and saying to Jaswell, hey, son, 79 00:04:36,173 --> 00:04:38,253 Speaker 2: don't there's no run there. I'm not I'm not putting 80 00:04:38,293 --> 00:04:42,253 Speaker 2: my life at risk. And yet Jaswell had most of 81 00:04:42,293 --> 00:04:44,533 Speaker 2: the runs on the board at that stage. It seemed 82 00:04:44,733 --> 00:04:47,573 Speaker 2: a little bit strange. You sort of respond to your mate, 83 00:04:47,573 --> 00:04:48,893 Speaker 2: don't you when you're when you're betting. 84 00:04:49,813 --> 00:04:50,133 Speaker 3: Yeah. 85 00:04:50,173 --> 00:04:52,893 Speaker 5: Look, first, the first point I think to make about it. 86 00:04:52,893 --> 00:04:55,253 Speaker 5: It looked like to me a very tight run. He 87 00:04:55,293 --> 00:04:59,133 Speaker 5: actually hit that quite hard. Yeah, and it went to 88 00:04:59,253 --> 00:05:03,773 Speaker 5: a sort of a medium depths mid on didn't it 89 00:05:05,453 --> 00:05:10,533 Speaker 5: in Cummings and it went to the correct hand. And therefore, 90 00:05:10,653 --> 00:05:13,573 Speaker 5: because he was a little bit deeper than beside the stumps. 91 00:05:13,613 --> 00:05:18,933 Speaker 5: There were three of them to aim at. So that's 92 00:05:18,973 --> 00:05:21,893 Speaker 5: why Jase Will kept moving. To me, he kept moving 93 00:05:22,293 --> 00:05:27,333 Speaker 5: swiftly because he knew it was tight. And really that's 94 00:05:27,453 --> 00:05:30,573 Speaker 5: Coley's job. You either take the guy on trust, which 95 00:05:30,613 --> 00:05:32,733 Speaker 5: you have to do because you can't ball watch there. 96 00:05:33,133 --> 00:05:35,533 Speaker 5: You take the guy on trust and you run, or 97 00:05:36,453 --> 00:05:39,013 Speaker 5: the other option you've got is to shout out weight. 98 00:05:40,613 --> 00:05:42,773 Speaker 5: This is where you come back to your rules. Was 99 00:05:42,853 --> 00:05:47,733 Speaker 5: in your three calls, yes, no weight and weight would 100 00:05:47,733 --> 00:05:50,653 Speaker 5: have been an early call of weight and Jacewell probably 101 00:05:50,693 --> 00:05:51,853 Speaker 5: would have got back. 102 00:05:53,133 --> 00:05:55,053 Speaker 3: If Coley wasn't intending to run. 103 00:05:55,333 --> 00:05:58,613 Speaker 5: You shout weight. It's not worth a wicket, is it 104 00:05:58,653 --> 00:06:03,373 Speaker 5: for one run? So, and particularly at that time when 105 00:06:03,373 --> 00:06:06,013 Speaker 5: they kind of had Australia at their mercy a bit, 106 00:06:06,533 --> 00:06:11,693 Speaker 5: both of them batting well and a good partnership developing, 107 00:06:12,373 --> 00:06:16,413 Speaker 5: and it affected Coli. I mean he played wider than 108 00:06:16,413 --> 00:06:20,893 Speaker 5: he normally had in that innings two or three overs later, 109 00:06:20,973 --> 00:06:24,813 Speaker 5: didn't need to bowl, and so that was an important 110 00:06:24,853 --> 00:06:28,133 Speaker 5: part of that game. Really, that that pulled. And I 111 00:06:28,173 --> 00:06:30,533 Speaker 5: mean they lost two or three wickets, didn't they quite quickly? 112 00:06:32,093 --> 00:06:35,453 Speaker 5: That that pulled India out of the game a little 113 00:06:35,453 --> 00:06:40,053 Speaker 5: bit and left quite a large deficit. 114 00:06:40,853 --> 00:06:46,413 Speaker 2: Just a quick question, when did yes no Weight become outdated? 115 00:06:46,413 --> 00:06:49,973 Speaker 2: Because she hears so many different calls, now, don't you running? One? 116 00:06:50,973 --> 00:06:53,893 Speaker 2: Maybe something that I always remember the one of Jabad 117 00:06:53,973 --> 00:06:55,493 Speaker 2: me and Dad, wasn't it when he was called and 118 00:06:55,533 --> 00:06:58,093 Speaker 2: it was looking like a runout and he said, yes, 119 00:06:58,373 --> 00:06:59,613 Speaker 2: I am not coming. 120 00:07:03,653 --> 00:07:07,213 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And there's partner shaking hands with him. So 121 00:07:08,013 --> 00:07:13,293 Speaker 5: yeah that Look, it's been decided. It was decided over years, wads, 122 00:07:13,373 --> 00:07:16,613 Speaker 5: years and years, and you need to just be very 123 00:07:16,653 --> 00:07:20,693 Speaker 5: clear and concise. Needs to be concise. One word, it's 124 00:07:20,733 --> 00:07:24,533 Speaker 5: all you need, and very clear. So that was where 125 00:07:24,573 --> 00:07:29,533 Speaker 5: the problem was. Jacewell taking a pretty tight run to 126 00:07:30,053 --> 00:07:33,213 Speaker 5: having to run hard because it was tight, kept running 127 00:07:34,093 --> 00:07:39,133 Speaker 5: and no response from Coolie really and then as you say, 128 00:07:39,253 --> 00:07:41,693 Speaker 5: started to turn behind him that he was gone then. 129 00:07:41,853 --> 00:07:45,693 Speaker 3: So it's that that that one, to mid On is 130 00:07:45,733 --> 00:07:46,333 Speaker 3: quite tricky. 131 00:07:46,373 --> 00:07:48,133 Speaker 5: You can be quite tricky and you've got to follow 132 00:07:48,173 --> 00:07:50,933 Speaker 5: the rules very carefully, and you've. 133 00:07:50,813 --> 00:07:53,133 Speaker 2: Got to pick your fielders too. Some are quick, some aren't, 134 00:07:53,173 --> 00:07:56,933 Speaker 2: and generally a bowl there and you think, well I 135 00:07:56,973 --> 00:07:58,213 Speaker 2: can get a run in here. 136 00:07:59,093 --> 00:08:01,133 Speaker 3: Well the throw was quite wild, wasn't it. 137 00:08:01,173 --> 00:08:03,333 Speaker 5: I mean Carey had to go and get it and 138 00:08:03,333 --> 00:08:06,693 Speaker 5: then take it to the stumps, so so Jacewell would 139 00:08:06,693 --> 00:08:09,013 Speaker 5: have had time to go back, no doubt about that 140 00:08:09,053 --> 00:08:09,653 Speaker 5: in my mind. 141 00:08:10,853 --> 00:08:13,893 Speaker 2: Yeap, interesting one. Well, we'll watched with interest because it 142 00:08:13,933 --> 00:08:17,613 Speaker 2: looks as though Australia are headed to the World Test 143 00:08:17,733 --> 00:08:21,933 Speaker 2: Championship with only a day and a Test match to play, 144 00:08:22,173 --> 00:08:25,173 Speaker 2: and of course South Africa have just guaranteed themselves a 145 00:08:25,173 --> 00:08:27,853 Speaker 2: place in the final by beating Pakistan in a Test 146 00:08:27,893 --> 00:08:32,053 Speaker 2: match back home. New names coming to the forefront in 147 00:08:32,373 --> 00:08:35,533 Speaker 2: the New Zealand side for various reasons. So they've got 148 00:08:35,533 --> 00:08:39,013 Speaker 2: players who are overseas playing white ball cricket and aren't 149 00:08:39,013 --> 00:08:41,453 Speaker 2: playing in the home series, but a few new names. 150 00:08:41,453 --> 00:08:45,053 Speaker 2: I suppose you get to a stage when the players 151 00:08:45,173 --> 00:08:47,933 Speaker 2: who have been around a while are retiring. We've lost 152 00:08:48,093 --> 00:08:52,373 Speaker 2: Sauthi from the Test game. There's rumors of other players 153 00:08:52,413 --> 00:08:55,533 Speaker 2: considering retirement and that's got to be considered. A new 154 00:08:55,613 --> 00:08:59,893 Speaker 2: name in the white ball side. Bevan Jacobs. Hardly knew him, 155 00:09:00,053 --> 00:09:02,493 Speaker 2: never heard of him until he played a game against 156 00:09:02,493 --> 00:09:05,733 Speaker 2: Wellington recently in the Plunket Shield. He's a major surprise 157 00:09:05,773 --> 00:09:09,573 Speaker 2: a player who hadn't featured in national prominence, and after 158 00:09:09,613 --> 00:09:12,613 Speaker 2: making the IPO contract list, it seemed less of a 159 00:09:12,653 --> 00:09:15,893 Speaker 2: surprise that he should earn white Ball black Caps selection, 160 00:09:16,453 --> 00:09:18,493 Speaker 2: but all the same, a welcome surprise for a young 161 00:09:18,533 --> 00:09:19,573 Speaker 2: man from Auckland. 162 00:09:19,613 --> 00:09:21,173 Speaker 6: If you told me this would happen a month ago, 163 00:09:21,173 --> 00:09:23,813 Speaker 6: I probably wouldn't believe it. It's it's yeah, like I said, 164 00:09:23,853 --> 00:09:26,413 Speaker 6: it's a cliche, but it's something you dream about. It's 165 00:09:26,413 --> 00:09:29,573 Speaker 6: something you know, I grew up watching and being able 166 00:09:29,613 --> 00:09:31,093 Speaker 6: to share the field with some of these players, I 167 00:09:31,093 --> 00:09:32,813 Speaker 6: think it is going to be pretty special, and I'm 168 00:09:32,893 --> 00:09:34,653 Speaker 6: just going to try to, you know, absorb as much 169 00:09:34,653 --> 00:09:36,373 Speaker 6: as I can learn from them and you know, and 170 00:09:36,373 --> 00:09:37,933 Speaker 6: hopefully be able to put some runs on the board 171 00:09:37,933 --> 00:09:38,253 Speaker 6: as well. 172 00:09:38,413 --> 00:09:41,893 Speaker 4: They're both pretty big surprises. I think. 173 00:09:42,413 --> 00:09:46,773 Speaker 6: I think the black Caps one was probably oh, I 174 00:09:46,773 --> 00:09:49,133 Speaker 6: don't even know. IPO feels like such a slim chance, 175 00:09:49,173 --> 00:09:52,253 Speaker 6: but black Caps is something that, you know, I've dreamed 176 00:09:52,253 --> 00:09:55,133 Speaker 6: about since since a kid. I think ipl was kind 177 00:09:55,173 --> 00:09:57,613 Speaker 6: of a focus or like a like a goal maybe 178 00:09:57,653 --> 00:09:59,413 Speaker 6: set a little bit later. Black Caps has always been 179 00:09:59,453 --> 00:10:00,893 Speaker 6: the dream, you know, So I think that's probably the 180 00:10:00,933 --> 00:10:04,093 Speaker 6: one that hit me the hardest, but obviously both both 181 00:10:04,173 --> 00:10:06,733 Speaker 6: really special and just you know, glad to have the opportunity. 182 00:10:06,933 --> 00:10:10,253 Speaker 2: You've been selected for the ball team initially. But is 183 00:10:10,293 --> 00:10:11,733 Speaker 2: test cricket a goal also? 184 00:10:12,293 --> 00:10:15,853 Speaker 7: I don't want to be a one dimensional better Obviously 185 00:10:15,853 --> 00:10:17,573 Speaker 7: I like to I like to bring that power game 186 00:10:18,493 --> 00:10:21,013 Speaker 7: into the team, but I think I think, you know, 187 00:10:21,133 --> 00:10:23,213 Speaker 7: going for that longer format stuff definitely something I want 188 00:10:23,213 --> 00:10:25,853 Speaker 7: to work towards and be recognized as going forward. 189 00:10:26,093 --> 00:10:28,533 Speaker 2: Does testmate cricket suit your style of play? 190 00:10:28,933 --> 00:10:29,413 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess. 191 00:10:29,533 --> 00:10:31,893 Speaker 6: I mean there's obviously been some common trends with with 192 00:10:31,973 --> 00:10:35,453 Speaker 6: some extra power, some more creativity coming into the into 193 00:10:35,453 --> 00:10:37,453 Speaker 6: the red Bull set up there, but I think it's 194 00:10:37,613 --> 00:10:39,533 Speaker 6: more just about how everyone goes at their own sort 195 00:10:39,533 --> 00:10:41,413 Speaker 6: of way, right, And you know, if that's the way 196 00:10:41,413 --> 00:10:43,773 Speaker 6: that I can I can bring an impact in that situation, 197 00:10:43,893 --> 00:10:44,893 Speaker 6: then then that's. 198 00:10:44,733 --> 00:10:45,453 Speaker 4: What I'm trying and do. 199 00:10:45,533 --> 00:10:47,213 Speaker 6: But if it's if it's something a little bit more 200 00:10:47,213 --> 00:10:48,893 Speaker 6: than I need to develop, then I'll work on that 201 00:10:48,933 --> 00:10:49,253 Speaker 6: as well. 202 00:10:49,413 --> 00:10:51,853 Speaker 2: So what's been your development through the New Zealand game? 203 00:10:52,213 --> 00:10:55,173 Speaker 2: Born in South Africa, but you've progressed through the age 204 00:10:55,213 --> 00:10:56,093 Speaker 2: groups up north. 205 00:10:56,293 --> 00:10:59,373 Speaker 6: Came down to Lincoln on a on a cricket scholarship 206 00:10:59,413 --> 00:11:02,613 Speaker 6: and I got sorted with the strength and conditioning program 207 00:11:02,653 --> 00:11:05,333 Speaker 6: here and then I kind of just fell in love 208 00:11:05,373 --> 00:11:07,293 Speaker 6: with that sort of side of a side of the sport, 209 00:11:07,333 --> 00:11:09,613 Speaker 6: getting in the gym and you know, it's just something 210 00:11:09,613 --> 00:11:12,693 Speaker 6: that I like to tick off pretty pretty frequently. Obviously 211 00:11:12,693 --> 00:11:14,853 Speaker 6: growing up in Auckland's and that was awesome in age 212 00:11:14,853 --> 00:11:17,533 Speaker 6: group cricket. But yeah, I mean I spent three three 213 00:11:17,533 --> 00:11:19,133 Speaker 6: good years down there and I really enjoyed it. And 214 00:11:19,573 --> 00:11:22,093 Speaker 6: so to get have it announced here, you know, it's 215 00:11:22,093 --> 00:11:24,413 Speaker 6: not it's not the worst situation ever, so it's good. 216 00:11:25,253 --> 00:11:25,453 Speaker 4: Yeah. 217 00:11:25,533 --> 00:11:30,293 Speaker 6: So obviously grew up in Auckland, Hibiscus Coast as a junior, 218 00:11:31,293 --> 00:11:35,413 Speaker 6: played premier cricket for a couple of clubs and then 219 00:11:36,693 --> 00:11:41,013 Speaker 6: under seventeens for Auckland, under nineteens for Auckland and two 220 00:11:41,013 --> 00:11:41,413 Speaker 6: out of the. 221 00:11:41,373 --> 00:11:42,773 Speaker 4: Three we won, which was awesome. 222 00:11:43,013 --> 00:11:45,693 Speaker 6: A good bunch of lads, a couple of which i'm 223 00:11:45,693 --> 00:11:47,333 Speaker 6: playing with right now, which is always good to share 224 00:11:47,333 --> 00:11:50,093 Speaker 6: the field with them, good memories. And then three three 225 00:11:50,133 --> 00:11:52,533 Speaker 6: seasons or two and a half seasons here in christ 226 00:11:52,573 --> 00:11:55,093 Speaker 6: Church with Sydenham, so that was also good. Fun, and 227 00:11:55,373 --> 00:11:57,373 Speaker 6: you know, every step of the way with each club 228 00:11:57,413 --> 00:12:00,973 Speaker 6: and which with each sort of organization really really supportive 229 00:12:00,973 --> 00:12:03,493 Speaker 6: of my journey and my career. So yeah, and that's 230 00:12:03,533 --> 00:12:05,893 Speaker 6: been that's been really awesome. And even in school cricket, 231 00:12:05,893 --> 00:12:09,493 Speaker 6: you know, five years at Westlake Power Westlate Boys, really 232 00:12:09,573 --> 00:12:12,093 Speaker 6: enjoyed my time there. And then yes, starting off with 233 00:12:12,493 --> 00:12:15,733 Speaker 6: Canarby and then eventually moving back to Auckland. It's been 234 00:12:15,733 --> 00:12:18,933 Speaker 6: a bit of a journey of left and right. They're 235 00:12:18,973 --> 00:12:21,253 Speaker 6: about but Lack, I've enjoyed every step of the way 236 00:12:21,293 --> 00:12:24,053 Speaker 6: and I'm just I'm just glad that I can get 237 00:12:24,053 --> 00:12:25,853 Speaker 6: the opportunity to hopefully go there on the park and 238 00:12:25,893 --> 00:12:26,693 Speaker 6: perform for everyone. 239 00:12:27,453 --> 00:12:30,653 Speaker 2: That's a bit of Jacobs showing there is dip from 240 00:12:30,653 --> 00:12:33,093 Speaker 2: the domestic game. Then to check that out, I called 241 00:12:33,093 --> 00:12:36,613 Speaker 2: into the basin where the Firebirds were training and I 242 00:12:36,653 --> 00:12:39,573 Speaker 2: had a chat with their coach, Shane Jurgenson, who says 243 00:12:39,693 --> 00:12:42,733 Speaker 2: they are meeting the numbers game, but are being tested 244 00:12:42,773 --> 00:12:46,773 Speaker 2: at times for depth. Jurgensen knows full well the talent 245 00:12:46,853 --> 00:12:49,933 Speaker 2: that Jacob's possesses. He scored well against Wellington and the 246 00:12:49,973 --> 00:12:51,653 Speaker 2: Pluck at Shield earlier this season. 247 00:12:51,973 --> 00:12:53,813 Speaker 4: Yeah, he got two adies in a hurry. 248 00:12:54,613 --> 00:12:57,013 Speaker 8: I was for sure already kept hitting the ball out 249 00:12:57,053 --> 00:13:00,253 Speaker 8: on the road, one of the bigger roundabouts in the 250 00:13:00,253 --> 00:13:03,013 Speaker 8: world around the base reserve. So yeah, it certainly hits 251 00:13:03,053 --> 00:13:05,453 Speaker 8: the ball a long way, hits the ball a long 252 00:13:05,493 --> 00:13:08,213 Speaker 8: way on both sides of the wicket, which makes for 253 00:13:08,493 --> 00:13:11,253 Speaker 8: the captain's extremely hard you know, hits ball cleanly over 254 00:13:11,293 --> 00:13:13,853 Speaker 8: met off as he does over you know the traditional 255 00:13:13,973 --> 00:13:16,573 Speaker 8: sort of maybe the hits to sort of mean on 256 00:13:16,613 --> 00:13:17,173 Speaker 8: the mid wickets. 257 00:13:17,213 --> 00:13:20,133 Speaker 4: So yeah, certainly a powerful young man, not a player 258 00:13:20,133 --> 00:13:20,573 Speaker 4: from nowhere. 259 00:13:20,653 --> 00:13:22,413 Speaker 2: Is obviously played a bit of cricket in christ Chitch 260 00:13:22,453 --> 00:13:25,853 Speaker 2: and played an Auckland domestic cricket. But we're at the 261 00:13:25,933 --> 00:13:30,453 Speaker 2: phase of the season now where the players coming through 262 00:13:30,493 --> 00:13:33,173 Speaker 2: the development phase. I suppose you're looking at We've had 263 00:13:33,973 --> 00:13:36,573 Speaker 2: one player retired to him South. There are rumors about 264 00:13:36,613 --> 00:13:40,653 Speaker 2: others who might ending their careers at some stage. Now's 265 00:13:40,693 --> 00:13:45,493 Speaker 2: the time that you want your development players, don't you. Depth? 266 00:13:46,053 --> 00:13:48,573 Speaker 2: And I guess as a coach you're looking at that 267 00:13:48,693 --> 00:13:51,293 Speaker 2: depth in the competitions that you've got to play now. 268 00:13:51,773 --> 00:13:54,773 Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely, I think this is a similar time to 269 00:13:55,133 --> 00:13:58,693 Speaker 8: maybe COVID. Actually, so during COVID there was different squads 270 00:13:58,693 --> 00:14:01,133 Speaker 8: at times and players. You know, my time with the 271 00:14:01,133 --> 00:14:03,773 Speaker 8: Black Caps, he had the emergence of the Will Youngs, 272 00:14:03,973 --> 00:14:08,093 Speaker 8: Russian Rave Indra, Glenn Phillips, Mark Chapman. You know, when 273 00:14:08,493 --> 00:14:11,453 Speaker 8: you know, different players came in for different tours, whether 274 00:14:11,493 --> 00:14:14,293 Speaker 8: it be like for Ireland and Scotland and just just 275 00:14:14,333 --> 00:14:18,173 Speaker 8: for an example, and that gay players, different players opportunity 276 00:14:18,213 --> 00:14:22,133 Speaker 8: to have that experience at that level. And I think, 277 00:14:23,293 --> 00:14:26,493 Speaker 8: as you know, that's the opportunity there is now during 278 00:14:26,493 --> 00:14:29,093 Speaker 8: this period of you know, the different contracts that have 279 00:14:29,173 --> 00:14:31,213 Speaker 8: been sort of set up as well and guys going 280 00:14:31,253 --> 00:14:33,893 Speaker 8: to play TEA twenty franchise cricket, there's an opportunity for 281 00:14:33,933 --> 00:14:35,253 Speaker 8: guys to come in and play a role. 282 00:14:35,893 --> 00:14:39,133 Speaker 2: You've had the problem in the past anyway with Ravender, 283 00:14:39,253 --> 00:14:41,853 Speaker 2: with Conway, et cetera, et cetera, ceterc. Blundle and so 284 00:14:42,013 --> 00:14:46,933 Speaker 2: have the other first class provinces associations had to find 285 00:14:47,213 --> 00:14:50,013 Speaker 2: some depth. Is it easy to get the quality of 286 00:14:50,053 --> 00:14:50,773 Speaker 2: depth that you want? 287 00:14:51,293 --> 00:14:52,093 Speaker 4: No, not easy. 288 00:14:52,813 --> 00:14:55,013 Speaker 8: You've got to sort of you know, for us here 289 00:14:55,093 --> 00:14:58,133 Speaker 8: we've had a week of preparation T twenty preparation that 290 00:14:58,213 --> 00:15:00,573 Speaker 8: was again for us, a great opportunity to get some 291 00:15:00,653 --> 00:15:02,533 Speaker 8: guys in to. 292 00:15:02,413 --> 00:15:04,373 Speaker 4: Be in and around the squad for a week. 293 00:15:05,013 --> 00:15:08,333 Speaker 8: But we did some skills work fielding, batting and bowling, 294 00:15:09,573 --> 00:15:10,493 Speaker 8: and then we had a game. 295 00:15:10,573 --> 00:15:11,533 Speaker 4: We wanted to have another game. 296 00:15:11,533 --> 00:15:13,613 Speaker 8: We're actually going to have two T ten games, so 297 00:15:13,653 --> 00:15:16,813 Speaker 8: we could actually focus on different elements of T twenty 298 00:15:16,853 --> 00:15:20,493 Speaker 8: cricket in terms of the the powerful phases of death 299 00:15:20,533 --> 00:15:21,533 Speaker 8: and the start of the innings. 300 00:15:21,533 --> 00:15:23,173 Speaker 4: But we missed out on doing that with the rain. 301 00:15:23,293 --> 00:15:27,333 Speaker 8: But I think for us guys, the emergence of people 302 00:15:27,853 --> 00:15:30,973 Speaker 8: not just within our squad, Jesse tash Gov for example, 303 00:15:31,013 --> 00:15:33,573 Speaker 8: who's had some good opportunities at the NZ at eleven recently, 304 00:15:33,653 --> 00:15:36,253 Speaker 8: Troy Johnson, who's been around the squad for a while. 305 00:15:36,253 --> 00:15:39,373 Speaker 8: But then there were some players that we included Sam Morgan, 306 00:15:39,493 --> 00:15:42,853 Speaker 8: who's an opener from Upper Heart I think, and played 307 00:15:43,213 --> 00:15:45,813 Speaker 8: a couple of really good innings, and Oscar Jackson, who 308 00:15:45,973 --> 00:15:49,413 Speaker 8: was in New Zealand and nineteen captain the last World 309 00:15:49,413 --> 00:15:52,293 Speaker 8: carp and Heat actually played some good innings in the 310 00:15:52,333 --> 00:15:53,213 Speaker 8: game it was played. 311 00:15:54,253 --> 00:15:55,893 Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's certainly some players. 312 00:15:55,933 --> 00:15:59,933 Speaker 8: I think what this opportunity does is you have players 313 00:15:59,933 --> 00:16:02,413 Speaker 8: step up into the Black Caps. Then in your squad, 314 00:16:02,693 --> 00:16:04,093 Speaker 8: you know, we've got one of the biggest squads we've 315 00:16:04,093 --> 00:16:07,013 Speaker 8: ever had in the Wellington fire Birds, twenty three players, 316 00:16:08,693 --> 00:16:11,373 Speaker 8: so you know that's for us, that's managing that. But 317 00:16:11,413 --> 00:16:14,213 Speaker 8: at the moment we're actually down to only thirteen players. 318 00:16:14,453 --> 00:16:18,133 Speaker 8: So it's gone from having a wealth of players to 319 00:16:18,173 --> 00:16:19,813 Speaker 8: all of a sudden with the amount of you know, 320 00:16:19,853 --> 00:16:23,333 Speaker 8: that's the success that we've had. I suppose here for 321 00:16:23,413 --> 00:16:25,973 Speaker 8: individuals being called up to Black Caps and his shrink 322 00:16:26,013 --> 00:16:28,053 Speaker 8: and tour and then yeah, and all of a sudden 323 00:16:28,053 --> 00:16:29,453 Speaker 8: we're down to thirteen players. 324 00:16:29,533 --> 00:16:32,253 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that depth has been tested too with one 325 00:16:32,253 --> 00:16:35,853 Speaker 2: of your bowling leaders, Nathan Smith, coming back from injury 326 00:16:36,253 --> 00:16:40,173 Speaker 2: and starting to show I think the talent that many 327 00:16:40,253 --> 00:16:43,733 Speaker 2: people believed he had. What did you think of his 328 00:16:43,933 --> 00:16:45,413 Speaker 2: Test match performance? 329 00:16:45,933 --> 00:16:48,213 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, it contributed really well, just the way that 330 00:16:48,253 --> 00:16:52,053 Speaker 8: we thought he would. Really he's a real impact player. 331 00:16:52,053 --> 00:16:54,853 Speaker 8: He's exciting to watch, you know, hits the ball out 332 00:16:54,853 --> 00:16:57,173 Speaker 8: of the park, but also can play long innings if 333 00:16:57,173 --> 00:17:00,693 Speaker 8: you need fielding. I think there was a runout during 334 00:17:00,693 --> 00:17:02,813 Speaker 8: that Test series it was a great runout that he 335 00:17:02,933 --> 00:17:05,893 Speaker 8: was including. And then also you know he's bowling when 336 00:17:05,893 --> 00:17:08,333 Speaker 8: he comes on, he's he's very accurate, and he's always 337 00:17:08,453 --> 00:17:13,053 Speaker 8: at the bowler, so yes, he's really gives you that 338 00:17:13,133 --> 00:17:15,493 Speaker 8: impact that you want as a player to be able 339 00:17:15,493 --> 00:17:18,053 Speaker 8: to keep pushing and looking to take wickets and score 340 00:17:18,133 --> 00:17:19,613 Speaker 8: runs and be a great field. 341 00:17:20,493 --> 00:17:24,093 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you get to a stage where I suppose 342 00:17:24,133 --> 00:17:26,213 Speaker 2: as a coach you want to win trophies that are 343 00:17:26,253 --> 00:17:28,813 Speaker 2: important to you, but you also have to prepare players 344 00:17:28,893 --> 00:17:30,893 Speaker 2: for higher honors, don't you. I mean you've got to 345 00:17:31,013 --> 00:17:33,733 Speaker 2: You've got to mix both those in terms of your. 346 00:17:33,653 --> 00:17:34,253 Speaker 3: Plans, don't you. 347 00:17:34,773 --> 00:17:34,973 Speaker 4: Yeah. 348 00:17:34,973 --> 00:17:36,933 Speaker 8: I think all coaches have egos and you want to win. 349 00:17:38,093 --> 00:17:40,253 Speaker 8: But at the same time, you know, my role here 350 00:17:40,413 --> 00:17:41,453 Speaker 8: is highly. 351 00:17:41,973 --> 00:17:44,413 Speaker 4: Geared towards developing black Caps. 352 00:17:44,533 --> 00:17:47,573 Speaker 8: The ones that are existing and also future black Caps, 353 00:17:47,573 --> 00:17:52,533 Speaker 8: and creating an environment where everyone can learn feel as 354 00:17:52,533 --> 00:17:55,573 Speaker 8: though that they belong and that's my that's basically probably 355 00:17:55,573 --> 00:17:58,693 Speaker 8: more important in a lot of ways. And then and 356 00:17:59,413 --> 00:18:03,373 Speaker 8: having making the push to win trophies. So I really 357 00:18:03,453 --> 00:18:07,573 Speaker 8: enjoy that aspect of it, you know, obviously having been 358 00:18:07,613 --> 00:18:11,093 Speaker 8: at that level for nearly fifteen years and you know, 359 00:18:11,333 --> 00:18:13,093 Speaker 8: I might have a little bit of intel on how 360 00:18:13,133 --> 00:18:16,613 Speaker 8: to get there. But also it's also more importantly about 361 00:18:16,653 --> 00:18:19,093 Speaker 8: the player and their own development, to get their own 362 00:18:19,133 --> 00:18:21,373 Speaker 8: paths to get to that stage. 363 00:18:21,413 --> 00:18:23,813 Speaker 2: And you've got players who are pretty much on the verge. 364 00:18:23,813 --> 00:18:25,493 Speaker 2: You have a look at somebody like Nick Kelly, who's 365 00:18:25,533 --> 00:18:27,733 Speaker 2: been there or thereabouts in the new zeald No program, 366 00:18:28,013 --> 00:18:31,853 Speaker 2: and other players in your side, and I suppose that 367 00:18:32,373 --> 00:18:34,613 Speaker 2: they are akin to some of the players for the 368 00:18:34,653 --> 00:18:37,973 Speaker 2: other associations as well, aren't they. You see a guy 369 00:18:38,013 --> 00:18:39,933 Speaker 2: come into the Cannitory side and score a double ton 370 00:18:40,213 --> 00:18:43,773 Speaker 2: this first game as Captain Maru. I think, you know, 371 00:18:44,413 --> 00:18:47,653 Speaker 2: these are obviously talented players who are looking for higher 372 00:18:47,653 --> 00:18:48,733 Speaker 2: honors as well, aren't they. 373 00:18:48,853 --> 00:18:50,533 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Nick Kelly, Yeah exactly. 374 00:18:50,613 --> 00:18:53,573 Speaker 8: And you could also say Nick is in the form 375 00:18:53,573 --> 00:18:55,613 Speaker 8: of his life last sort of two or three years. 376 00:18:56,253 --> 00:18:58,893 Speaker 8: You know, extremely fit, can certainly push up to the 377 00:18:58,933 --> 00:19:02,853 Speaker 8: next level, no problem, tough player, really good feel for 378 00:19:02,893 --> 00:19:05,093 Speaker 8: the game, and also a game that can adapt to 379 00:19:05,133 --> 00:19:08,013 Speaker 8: all formats, which is one of one of the really 380 00:19:08,093 --> 00:19:09,613 Speaker 8: strong thing about Nick. 381 00:19:10,293 --> 00:19:11,213 Speaker 4: You know, moa bass. 382 00:19:11,893 --> 00:19:15,173 Speaker 8: You know, his impressive year last year, and the important 383 00:19:15,173 --> 00:19:18,293 Speaker 8: thing for him now is he's after you know, he's 384 00:19:18,333 --> 00:19:22,453 Speaker 8: really worked hard his fitness during the winter. He's certainly stronger, fitter. 385 00:19:23,133 --> 00:19:25,293 Speaker 8: He's had a couple of injuries because of that, because 386 00:19:25,373 --> 00:19:26,973 Speaker 8: all of a sudden he's a lot more powerful and 387 00:19:27,013 --> 00:19:30,373 Speaker 8: he's he's bowling quicker, and so he's but we're looking 388 00:19:30,413 --> 00:19:32,493 Speaker 8: for him to have a good impact with the balls 389 00:19:32,573 --> 00:19:34,573 Speaker 8: or and the super smash coming on and bowling couple 390 00:19:34,693 --> 00:19:37,893 Speaker 8: overs in the middle stages. And then you've got, of course, 391 00:19:37,893 --> 00:19:40,613 Speaker 8: you know, someone like Tim Robinson who's had an amazing 392 00:19:40,653 --> 00:19:42,933 Speaker 8: super smash last year and with the black Caps now 393 00:19:43,013 --> 00:19:45,453 Speaker 8: and you know we're looking forward to getting him back. 394 00:19:46,093 --> 00:19:48,413 Speaker 8: You know, all those players like Nathan Smith. You know 395 00:19:48,413 --> 00:19:50,093 Speaker 8: we loved have him back as much as we can, 396 00:19:50,213 --> 00:19:55,053 Speaker 8: but you know we'll enjoy their experience and there you 397 00:19:55,093 --> 00:19:57,293 Speaker 8: know what they can bring the team when we have them. 398 00:19:57,973 --> 00:20:02,133 Speaker 2: Just the development program suitable enough for preparing players for 399 00:20:02,493 --> 00:20:06,173 Speaker 2: international cricket. You've got the domestic competition. There's a development 400 00:20:06,213 --> 00:20:09,493 Speaker 2: squad of young players going around the country now at 401 00:20:09,813 --> 00:20:12,813 Speaker 2: and I look back to say the twenty nineteen World 402 00:20:12,813 --> 00:20:15,893 Speaker 2: Cup Under nineteen World Cup where Willow Rourke was there 403 00:20:16,013 --> 00:20:18,213 Speaker 2: and there's a couple of other players who are emerging 404 00:20:18,253 --> 00:20:22,293 Speaker 2: from that. Is the program now good enough for the 405 00:20:22,373 --> 00:20:25,293 Speaker 2: development of these players to test match level cricketers or 406 00:20:25,373 --> 00:20:26,613 Speaker 2: international cricketers. 407 00:20:27,253 --> 00:20:28,213 Speaker 4: I think it certainly is. 408 00:20:28,293 --> 00:20:32,613 Speaker 8: I think there's playing opportunities I think is really important 409 00:20:32,613 --> 00:20:36,933 Speaker 8: for us in New Zealand because we do sometimes well, 410 00:20:36,933 --> 00:20:40,973 Speaker 8: we do have long winters and the season is relatively 411 00:20:41,133 --> 00:20:42,933 Speaker 8: probably short in a lot of ways, and whether it 412 00:20:43,013 --> 00:20:47,493 Speaker 8: be club cricket or domestic cricket, you know, I think 413 00:20:47,773 --> 00:20:51,493 Speaker 8: the more playing opportunities young players can get is really crucial. 414 00:20:52,413 --> 00:20:56,413 Speaker 8: The other part of it, which is really quite it's 415 00:20:56,493 --> 00:20:58,533 Speaker 8: quite a big job for us here for in Wellington 416 00:20:58,613 --> 00:21:02,133 Speaker 8: is training the guys up to understand how to look 417 00:21:02,173 --> 00:21:05,413 Speaker 8: after their bodies. And that's actually quite an extensive job 418 00:21:05,453 --> 00:21:08,973 Speaker 8: and we certainly got the resources here Ellington, but it 419 00:21:09,053 --> 00:21:12,293 Speaker 8: is a big job and there's not many. 420 00:21:12,093 --> 00:21:13,813 Speaker 4: Hands, but the guys that. 421 00:21:13,773 --> 00:21:17,373 Speaker 8: Are here really work hard, you know, like we've just 422 00:21:17,693 --> 00:21:21,293 Speaker 8: lost Matt Matt Long who's been a huge every instrumental 423 00:21:21,333 --> 00:21:25,093 Speaker 8: about players behaviors and attitudes off the field in terms 424 00:21:25,133 --> 00:21:30,333 Speaker 8: of that process towards recovery their fitness, and we've got 425 00:21:30,333 --> 00:21:34,533 Speaker 8: people involved in nutrition be able to play in back 426 00:21:34,573 --> 00:21:36,693 Speaker 8: to back games if you only have one day's break, 427 00:21:36,733 --> 00:21:39,453 Speaker 8: which we will have in the Super Smash. So training 428 00:21:39,453 --> 00:21:43,013 Speaker 8: the guys up to understand their body is really quite 429 00:21:43,093 --> 00:21:44,413 Speaker 8: one of the other side. 430 00:21:44,093 --> 00:21:45,213 Speaker 4: Of domestic players. 431 00:21:45,253 --> 00:21:47,253 Speaker 8: It's just not the cricket that's a big side of 432 00:21:47,293 --> 00:21:48,773 Speaker 8: the development of these players. 433 00:21:48,973 --> 00:21:51,093 Speaker 2: And one of those who's been injured, but I think 434 00:21:51,213 --> 00:21:53,453 Speaker 2: is back on the park at the moment as the 435 00:21:53,453 --> 00:21:57,533 Speaker 2: fields only there's Ben Sears, who's a young man and 436 00:21:57,573 --> 00:22:01,413 Speaker 2: we don't want to see the early end of his career. 437 00:22:01,453 --> 00:22:03,973 Speaker 2: I mean, it's nice to see Kyle Jamison back again bowling. 438 00:22:04,013 --> 00:22:07,013 Speaker 2: And you know, with the change of our bowlers that 439 00:22:07,133 --> 00:22:09,413 Speaker 2: you spend a lot of time coaching, there's a new 440 00:22:10,013 --> 00:22:12,253 Speaker 2: breed at international level, wasn't he. 441 00:22:12,533 --> 00:22:13,173 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. 442 00:22:13,333 --> 00:22:16,733 Speaker 8: There's a number of guys that are certainly popping their 443 00:22:16,733 --> 00:22:20,213 Speaker 8: heads up in terms of giving them opportunities. And you know, 444 00:22:20,253 --> 00:22:24,413 Speaker 8: seeing Jacob Duffy, you know his performance in the first 445 00:22:24,933 --> 00:22:27,853 Speaker 8: T twenty versus Sri Lanka, and you know he's been 446 00:22:27,893 --> 00:22:30,133 Speaker 8: waiting for his time for example, and he's sort of 447 00:22:30,813 --> 00:22:34,573 Speaker 8: he's not young obviously in age, but in terms of experience, 448 00:22:34,653 --> 00:22:36,053 Speaker 8: he's still learning. 449 00:22:35,773 --> 00:22:36,893 Speaker 4: About playing at that level. 450 00:22:36,933 --> 00:22:41,133 Speaker 8: Then you come back, yeah, Ben Ceazy, who's really really 451 00:22:41,173 --> 00:22:44,613 Speaker 8: excited to be back running around fielding like a crazy 452 00:22:44,653 --> 00:22:45,333 Speaker 8: man in the field. 453 00:22:45,373 --> 00:22:47,733 Speaker 4: He'll be batting today and not bowling in the game. 454 00:22:47,773 --> 00:22:50,653 Speaker 8: But I think seeing him coming back, and you know 455 00:22:50,733 --> 00:22:53,533 Speaker 8: he'll be appearing some at some stage during a super 456 00:22:53,573 --> 00:22:56,813 Speaker 8: Smash and getting himself in a situation where he could 457 00:22:56,813 --> 00:22:59,853 Speaker 8: be in line for selection maybe for the Champions Trophy. 458 00:22:59,973 --> 00:23:03,053 Speaker 8: So yeah, he's certainly coming back, and that's and again 459 00:23:03,093 --> 00:23:05,533 Speaker 8: that's that's our that's our job as a domestic team 460 00:23:05,613 --> 00:23:08,173 Speaker 8: is to look after him and get him ready for 461 00:23:08,373 --> 00:23:08,813 Speaker 8: a black Cat. 462 00:23:09,093 --> 00:23:11,093 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess it's the same right across the country. 463 00:23:11,133 --> 00:23:13,053 Speaker 2: Canter we have the same issues in terms of what 464 00:23:13,133 --> 00:23:17,093 Speaker 2: they're doing on the issue of Sea isn't getting ready 465 00:23:17,133 --> 00:23:19,533 Speaker 2: at our other past bowlers. I'm one of those who 466 00:23:19,613 --> 00:23:21,453 Speaker 2: sort of says, we've got to look after these players. 467 00:23:21,453 --> 00:23:24,173 Speaker 2: We don't want to run them into the ground. But 468 00:23:24,213 --> 00:23:26,533 Speaker 2: you can look after them too much, can't you. They'll 469 00:23:26,613 --> 00:23:29,373 Speaker 2: end up not playing. So how do you manage your 470 00:23:29,373 --> 00:23:31,933 Speaker 2: bowlers in that because you've got to be conscious of 471 00:23:31,973 --> 00:23:34,213 Speaker 2: the fact that you know what their body is like 472 00:23:34,493 --> 00:23:36,253 Speaker 2: as much as they have to know what their body 473 00:23:36,253 --> 00:23:36,973 Speaker 2: can do. Yeah. 474 00:23:37,013 --> 00:23:39,373 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's just getting alignment with all parties. 475 00:23:39,413 --> 00:23:43,373 Speaker 8: So we've been himself with the crucial part and with 476 00:23:43,453 --> 00:23:46,293 Speaker 8: the black Cat staff and also our staff, so you 477 00:23:46,333 --> 00:23:47,613 Speaker 8: know that can be a little bit of a tuggle 478 00:23:47,653 --> 00:23:50,573 Speaker 8: wall sometimes, but it's also because I suppose for us 479 00:23:50,613 --> 00:23:53,493 Speaker 8: we can have our eyes on him and we sort 480 00:23:53,533 --> 00:23:57,773 Speaker 8: of know where who's progressing. But I also understand, you know, 481 00:23:58,973 --> 00:24:02,093 Speaker 8: you know, one of the sayings that I sort of 482 00:24:02,093 --> 00:24:04,613 Speaker 8: have sometimes that I can't remember who gave it to me, 483 00:24:04,733 --> 00:24:08,053 Speaker 8: wasn't originally from me, but you know, treating your fast 484 00:24:08,093 --> 00:24:13,133 Speaker 8: bay the really important aspect to take wickets and win 485 00:24:13,253 --> 00:24:16,333 Speaker 8: games of cricket and is treat them like race horses. 486 00:24:16,853 --> 00:24:21,013 Speaker 8: And you know there's periods of periodization where they're in 487 00:24:21,053 --> 00:24:25,653 Speaker 8: the paddock, you know, getting getting grazing and getting some rest, 488 00:24:25,693 --> 00:24:27,853 Speaker 8: and then there's periods of time where they train hard 489 00:24:27,893 --> 00:24:30,173 Speaker 8: and then you've got to make sure you look after him. 490 00:24:30,173 --> 00:24:33,613 Speaker 4: And because they're pretty powerful bodies and they do something 491 00:24:33,613 --> 00:24:34,493 Speaker 4: it's quite extreme. 492 00:24:34,613 --> 00:24:38,853 Speaker 8: So it's really important that balancing act of preparation versus 493 00:24:38,853 --> 00:24:41,173 Speaker 8: playing and getting ready for the black Caps, and that's 494 00:24:41,173 --> 00:24:42,893 Speaker 8: what we're sort of going with Ben right now. 495 00:24:43,733 --> 00:24:46,013 Speaker 2: How excited are you to see Kyle Jamison Beck and 496 00:24:46,053 --> 00:24:50,693 Speaker 2: perhaps also the development of Willow Rourke who had to 497 00:24:50,773 --> 00:24:53,533 Speaker 2: my mind and just an absolutely outstanding season. 498 00:24:53,853 --> 00:24:55,693 Speaker 8: Yeah, it would be awesome to get Kyle back in 499 00:24:55,733 --> 00:24:58,333 Speaker 8: that Test team if it was to happen, and great 500 00:24:58,333 --> 00:25:00,173 Speaker 8: to see him back on the field again. I think 501 00:25:00,573 --> 00:25:03,213 Speaker 8: it would be a real as well along with the 502 00:25:03,333 --> 00:25:05,053 Speaker 8: as well as the guys that are there now for 503 00:25:05,133 --> 00:25:08,893 Speaker 8: pretty formidable attack. You know, it was someone along the 504 00:25:08,893 --> 00:25:12,173 Speaker 8: lines with Rourke, Jamison, Henry. 505 00:25:13,893 --> 00:25:16,653 Speaker 4: Sears. You know there's some serious pace there and bounce. 506 00:25:16,893 --> 00:25:20,133 Speaker 8: So you know, if that was, I'm sure Gary and 507 00:25:20,253 --> 00:25:22,773 Speaker 8: the selection team and would be pretty impressed to. 508 00:25:22,773 --> 00:25:24,893 Speaker 4: Have all those guys fitting available. But yeah, to see 509 00:25:24,973 --> 00:25:28,493 Speaker 4: Kyle back after a long road of recovery is just amazing. 510 00:25:28,573 --> 00:25:31,853 Speaker 8: And yeah, Will Rourke, I came across him in an 511 00:25:31,893 --> 00:25:34,933 Speaker 8: under nineteen camp a few years ago. He was just 512 00:25:35,213 --> 00:25:38,293 Speaker 8: too old for the under nineteens, but Paul Wiseman and 513 00:25:38,333 --> 00:25:40,333 Speaker 8: the crew got him into sort of bowl and compare 514 00:25:40,413 --> 00:25:41,653 Speaker 8: and I was there and I looked at him and 515 00:25:41,653 --> 00:25:44,613 Speaker 8: I was actually umpiring in this practice game and I went, yeez, 516 00:25:44,773 --> 00:25:46,853 Speaker 8: who is this It's like And the first thing that 517 00:25:46,893 --> 00:25:49,173 Speaker 8: came to my mind is, my goodness, this guy if 518 00:25:49,173 --> 00:25:52,173 Speaker 8: he goes, if you continue to do what he's doing 519 00:25:52,173 --> 00:25:54,573 Speaker 8: today and can do it, at the next level, the 520 00:25:54,573 --> 00:25:56,893 Speaker 8: next level again, he could be our next he could 521 00:25:56,893 --> 00:25:58,253 Speaker 8: be our version of Pat Cummings. 522 00:25:58,613 --> 00:26:01,053 Speaker 4: And that's the first thing I straight. 523 00:26:00,853 --> 00:26:02,653 Speaker 8: Away I looked at him and this is Pat Cummins, 524 00:26:02,693 --> 00:26:04,693 Speaker 8: just always at you bounce. 525 00:26:05,413 --> 00:26:05,573 Speaker 4: Yeah. 526 00:26:05,613 --> 00:26:08,413 Speaker 8: A pretty impressive young man. He's done so well. The 527 00:26:08,453 --> 00:26:10,853 Speaker 8: e really exciting future for him. 528 00:26:11,133 --> 00:26:14,213 Speaker 2: Jugo as he's known, the coach of the Firebirds, Jerry. 529 00:26:14,253 --> 00:26:18,533 Speaker 2: He got a pretty practical idea about where the game 530 00:26:18,653 --> 00:26:23,093 Speaker 2: is at. I like his analogy that his job is 531 00:26:23,293 --> 00:26:27,573 Speaker 2: there to prepare players for international cricket. He wants the trophies. 532 00:26:28,013 --> 00:26:30,813 Speaker 2: He says that, you know there are egos among the 533 00:26:30,853 --> 00:26:34,493 Speaker 2: coaching staff, but he's there to prepare international players. And 534 00:26:34,573 --> 00:26:36,293 Speaker 2: you know that's where our development's got to come from, 535 00:26:36,293 --> 00:26:36,693 Speaker 2: doesn't it. 536 00:26:37,453 --> 00:26:43,333 Speaker 5: Very experienced coach, been around a long time. Values the culture, 537 00:26:43,413 --> 00:26:46,693 Speaker 5: if you want, for want of a better word, how 538 00:26:46,733 --> 00:26:50,413 Speaker 5: the players get on together, how they're enjoying their game, 539 00:26:51,653 --> 00:26:55,093 Speaker 5: and they're important things. And I just thought the main 540 00:26:55,253 --> 00:26:59,453 Speaker 5: point he made Wads to me was he's identified as 541 00:26:59,533 --> 00:27:02,693 Speaker 5: you and I have, is as most cricketers who are 542 00:27:02,733 --> 00:27:06,013 Speaker 5: interested in the game have, and you know this is 543 00:27:06,053 --> 00:27:09,453 Speaker 5: a time for development, doesn't it. It's a time where 544 00:27:10,293 --> 00:27:12,253 Speaker 5: the confluence of a couple of reasons. 545 00:27:12,253 --> 00:27:13,613 Speaker 3: You've already mentioned one of them. 546 00:27:13,693 --> 00:27:19,133 Speaker 5: That's the contract system in New Zealand, and it's the 547 00:27:19,133 --> 00:27:21,133 Speaker 5: players that hold all the power and that and they've 548 00:27:21,133 --> 00:27:23,013 Speaker 5: got the choice whether they want to opt out of 549 00:27:23,053 --> 00:27:26,733 Speaker 5: the shorter formats make a bit more cash for themselves. 550 00:27:28,293 --> 00:27:32,693 Speaker 5: And that's left holes holes in our particularly our white 551 00:27:32,733 --> 00:27:38,733 Speaker 5: ball team. And so that's why we're seeing these new names. 552 00:27:38,773 --> 00:27:40,333 Speaker 5: I mean, and there are quite a lot of them, 553 00:27:40,333 --> 00:27:42,813 Speaker 5: aren't there. I mean, you could actually pick quite a 554 00:27:42,853 --> 00:27:45,653 Speaker 5: decent side from all the players. 555 00:27:46,373 --> 00:27:46,613 Speaker 3: You know. 556 00:27:46,653 --> 00:27:49,453 Speaker 5: You've got Ferguson, Finnelle and Adam Miller and Tim Seifer, 557 00:27:49,533 --> 00:27:53,013 Speaker 5: they're the big bash, Caine Williams and Devon Conway. Lots 558 00:27:53,013 --> 00:27:57,613 Speaker 5: of openers there. You see Conway ciphered finn Allen. And 559 00:27:57,653 --> 00:28:00,013 Speaker 5: that's why we had didn't really have an opener in 560 00:28:00,053 --> 00:28:03,333 Speaker 5: this latest side, did we. We had to promote Ravendro 561 00:28:03,413 --> 00:28:07,453 Speaker 5: into there, even though he's battered there before for Wellington. 562 00:28:08,453 --> 00:28:10,413 Speaker 5: And then you've got Ben Sears and Jamison a way 563 00:28:10,453 --> 00:28:13,453 Speaker 5: with injury. Then you've also got the players who went 564 00:28:14,613 --> 00:28:20,173 Speaker 5: to Pakistan, Blundle, Foxcroft, Josh Clarkson, he's one who hasn't 565 00:28:20,213 --> 00:28:23,573 Speaker 5: made it again is sod He was there and we're 566 00:28:23,653 --> 00:28:26,813 Speaker 5: young was there. So there's quite a lot of players 567 00:28:26,853 --> 00:28:31,533 Speaker 5: there that are unavailable for one reason and another. And 568 00:28:31,573 --> 00:28:34,693 Speaker 5: the other reason, it seems to me, is that you know, 569 00:28:35,453 --> 00:28:40,413 Speaker 5: the succession plan for this particular these sides hasn't really 570 00:28:40,573 --> 00:28:45,853 Speaker 5: kind of existed. We've hung on to goodish players and 571 00:28:45,893 --> 00:28:48,813 Speaker 5: they've become good at certain times because they have been 572 00:28:48,853 --> 00:28:52,173 Speaker 5: held onto. So it's a fair enough kind of policy, 573 00:28:52,293 --> 00:28:55,613 Speaker 5: but you do need to keep preparing for beneath them. 574 00:28:56,093 --> 00:29:00,213 Speaker 5: And I think that's maybe whether it's cash, having games 575 00:29:00,253 --> 00:29:03,413 Speaker 5: and all that sort of stuff. And I thought Jurgens 576 00:29:03,453 --> 00:29:07,493 Speaker 5: had made some decent points there that you know, he 577 00:29:07,613 --> 00:29:12,133 Speaker 5: highlights based bowler is knowing their own bodies and being 578 00:29:12,173 --> 00:29:14,733 Speaker 5: able to know what sort of length they can bowl 579 00:29:14,773 --> 00:29:17,493 Speaker 5: and when they've had enough. And the other thing was 580 00:29:17,533 --> 00:29:22,773 Speaker 5: giving these players opportunities. We've actually discovering players that are 581 00:29:22,853 --> 00:29:25,893 Speaker 5: kind of are kind of showing they've got the ability, 582 00:29:27,253 --> 00:29:32,053 Speaker 5: haven't we wouldn't you say, I mean O'Rourke, especially in 583 00:29:32,093 --> 00:29:39,733 Speaker 5: the bowling departments O'Rourke, Henry Jamison, Sears, Smith Duffy that 584 00:29:39,733 --> 00:29:43,493 Speaker 5: that to me okay, we've got a couple of batsmen, 585 00:29:43,453 --> 00:29:47,453 Speaker 5: the new batter bit Jamison and Smith. The rest don't. 586 00:29:47,773 --> 00:29:52,493 Speaker 5: But there's that's okay, and we've got pace, we've got 587 00:29:52,493 --> 00:29:55,693 Speaker 5: a bit of bounce, we've got some swing. I like 588 00:29:55,773 --> 00:29:57,653 Speaker 5: kind of like the look of that for the future. 589 00:29:58,013 --> 00:30:03,853 Speaker 5: Then you look at our spinners, Ajas Patel Santner has 590 00:30:03,893 --> 00:30:08,253 Speaker 5: developed nicely in the in the recent past. You've got 591 00:30:08,413 --> 00:30:11,533 Speaker 5: Bracewolln Phillips coming on as well with the off spinners. 592 00:30:11,893 --> 00:30:17,093 Speaker 5: So our finger spinners are kind of there, and so 593 00:30:17,253 --> 00:30:20,853 Speaker 5: all that kind of as a as a body of players, 594 00:30:20,933 --> 00:30:25,173 Speaker 5: I think looks okay. It's the batting that is a 595 00:30:25,173 --> 00:30:28,133 Speaker 5: bit more of a concern. I think I'm not too 596 00:30:28,213 --> 00:30:31,013 Speaker 5: sure of the answers to that. There were lots of 597 00:30:31,133 --> 00:30:37,253 Speaker 5: names that you and Durgo were talking about, but you know, 598 00:30:37,613 --> 00:30:39,573 Speaker 5: I haven't seen quite yet. 599 00:30:40,893 --> 00:30:42,933 Speaker 3: Enough of the batsmen coming through. 600 00:30:43,853 --> 00:30:46,613 Speaker 2: No, And I guess that's a matter of opportunity. There's 601 00:30:46,653 --> 00:30:49,613 Speaker 2: this Guyrhyese Meru who's playing for Kenney, got a double 602 00:30:49,733 --> 00:30:52,773 Speaker 2: ton and they've got players. I mean, this was an 603 00:30:52,813 --> 00:30:55,173 Speaker 2: interview around a Wellington coach, but I think the same 604 00:30:55,213 --> 00:30:57,853 Speaker 2: issues apply to all the coaches. Up and down the 605 00:30:57,853 --> 00:31:02,373 Speaker 2: country in terms of finding places to put their quality players, 606 00:31:02,453 --> 00:31:05,853 Speaker 2: identifying the talent and giving them opportunities. And it seems 607 00:31:06,053 --> 00:31:09,413 Speaker 2: with a development squad going around New Zealand moment playing games, 608 00:31:09,853 --> 00:31:12,933 Speaker 2: not playing long form games, which disappoints me to some extent. 609 00:31:13,253 --> 00:31:15,893 Speaker 2: But you know, there are opportunities for young players to 610 00:31:15,933 --> 00:31:19,213 Speaker 2: develop and that's the encouraging thing for New Zealand cricket, 611 00:31:19,293 --> 00:31:19,613 Speaker 2: isn't it. 612 00:31:20,493 --> 00:31:23,133 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, so we've got to We've got to commit 613 00:31:23,173 --> 00:31:28,133 Speaker 5: our money there. I think we do that, then I 614 00:31:28,173 --> 00:31:32,293 Speaker 5: think we'll find we've got better black Caps players. I 615 00:31:32,293 --> 00:31:34,573 Speaker 5: don't know whether you watched the game, Brian, the first 616 00:31:34,693 --> 00:31:40,213 Speaker 5: match between Sri Lanka and News. What a weird game. 617 00:31:41,133 --> 00:31:45,813 Speaker 5: I mean, New Zealand were in a beautiful position to 618 00:31:45,853 --> 00:31:52,493 Speaker 5: lose twice, I mean five for sixty halfway through their innings, 619 00:31:52,973 --> 00:31:55,773 Speaker 5: all the top order gone and then they were rescued 620 00:31:55,813 --> 00:31:58,893 Speaker 5: by Mitchell Embracewell. Weren't they then one hundred and twenty 621 00:31:58,933 --> 00:32:02,653 Speaker 5: one for none Sri Lanka in the fourteenth they had 622 00:32:02,693 --> 00:32:06,413 Speaker 5: ten wickets left to get fifty odd and what a heist. 623 00:32:08,373 --> 00:32:13,333 Speaker 5: Well done, Duffy, Well done, Duffy. I mean just exactly 624 00:32:13,373 --> 00:32:15,373 Speaker 5: at the end. Absolutely, he was a bit expensive at 625 00:32:15,373 --> 00:32:19,733 Speaker 5: the start, but he pulled it back certainly, and Henry 626 00:32:19,813 --> 00:32:23,893 Speaker 5: was solid and I thought well done for Duffy though 627 00:32:23,893 --> 00:32:26,773 Speaker 5: with all those hours bowling before play and lunchtime and 628 00:32:27,333 --> 00:32:30,013 Speaker 5: end of the day's play. I've been watching him over 629 00:32:30,053 --> 00:32:33,573 Speaker 5: the Test series against England and he's pulled it, you know, 630 00:32:33,693 --> 00:32:34,253 Speaker 5: pulled it out. 631 00:32:34,293 --> 00:32:35,333 Speaker 3: So that's fantastic. 632 00:32:35,613 --> 00:32:39,893 Speaker 5: Stanton did okay also, you know, handling the questions as 633 00:32:39,893 --> 00:32:43,013 Speaker 5: a captain because they are under pressure, There's no doubt 634 00:32:43,013 --> 00:32:43,533 Speaker 5: about that. 635 00:32:44,093 --> 00:32:46,733 Speaker 2: And the most encouraging thing about the last week or 636 00:32:46,773 --> 00:32:49,493 Speaker 2: so has been the fact that we've seen Kyle Jamison 637 00:32:49,573 --> 00:32:52,733 Speaker 2: back bowling at first class level, being services back on 638 00:32:52,773 --> 00:32:55,533 Speaker 2: the park playing as a batsman only in a practice 639 00:32:55,573 --> 00:32:58,573 Speaker 2: game for Wellington when I spoke to Shane Jurgensen and 640 00:32:58,693 --> 00:33:01,133 Speaker 2: these are the young men we want to look to 641 00:33:01,653 --> 00:33:04,333 Speaker 2: to hold New Zealand together over the next five to 642 00:33:04,373 --> 00:33:09,013 Speaker 2: ten years. So encouraging and exciting stuff. Only this week 643 00:33:09,093 --> 00:33:11,853 Speaker 2: the White Fins held high hopes of winning the Rose 644 00:33:11,893 --> 00:33:15,573 Speaker 2: Bowl back from the Aussies, but a washout and two 645 00:33:15,693 --> 00:33:19,973 Speaker 2: emphatic defeats left them pondering how do we bridge the 646 00:33:20,373 --> 00:33:24,013 Speaker 2: Gulf between the ANZAC nations, here's been suet. 647 00:33:25,053 --> 00:33:26,853 Speaker 9: There's a lot of positives to take out of it. 648 00:33:27,013 --> 00:33:29,693 Speaker 9: I think the way that Bella came in and showed 649 00:33:29,693 --> 00:33:34,093 Speaker 9: real good positive intern from the start. Obviously, Molly's you know, 650 00:33:34,453 --> 00:33:37,053 Speaker 9: the way that she bowled in that first game was excellent. 651 00:33:37,933 --> 00:33:40,093 Speaker 9: I thought the way that Maddie started today was great. 652 00:33:40,173 --> 00:33:43,333 Speaker 9: Susie batted well. It's just about being able to do 653 00:33:43,413 --> 00:33:45,973 Speaker 9: those things for a little bit longer. I think the 654 00:33:46,053 --> 00:33:48,413 Speaker 9: takeaway is that in the T twenty and that shorter game, 655 00:33:48,493 --> 00:33:50,533 Speaker 9: out some really good plans and we're able to execute 656 00:33:50,573 --> 00:33:52,773 Speaker 9: those and it's spent out to do that for fifty overs. 657 00:33:53,173 --> 00:33:55,573 Speaker 2: You were able to bowl them out in game three, 658 00:33:55,613 --> 00:33:58,413 Speaker 2: but we're still lift chasing a mess of total. 659 00:33:59,053 --> 00:34:00,453 Speaker 9: Twice we've done that. I think we were the first 660 00:34:00,493 --> 00:34:02,253 Speaker 9: thing to bowl them out in T twenty for a while, 661 00:34:02,333 --> 00:34:04,613 Speaker 9: so you know, I think we took seventeen wickets across 662 00:34:04,653 --> 00:34:07,533 Speaker 9: the two games, So yes, that's a positive, but to 663 00:34:07,573 --> 00:34:10,093 Speaker 9: nearly get three hun both times is yeah, something that 664 00:34:10,133 --> 00:34:11,613 Speaker 9: we've got to work on to be able to just 665 00:34:11,653 --> 00:34:14,133 Speaker 9: defend a little bit better so that we're not asking 666 00:34:14,133 --> 00:34:16,493 Speaker 9: our batting team to chase three hundred against probably one 667 00:34:16,533 --> 00:34:17,693 Speaker 9: of the better attacks in the world. 668 00:34:18,453 --> 00:34:23,133 Speaker 2: Wides boundaries, dropped chances contributed to the difference between sides 669 00:34:23,533 --> 00:34:27,493 Speaker 2: and also the experienced individuals in that Australian team. 670 00:34:27,893 --> 00:34:30,213 Speaker 9: I think the difference in both games was one player, 671 00:34:30,573 --> 00:34:32,973 Speaker 9: you know, Southerly when I got one hundred. I think, 672 00:34:33,213 --> 00:34:35,253 Speaker 9: you know, Ash got a really good seventy today and 673 00:34:35,293 --> 00:34:37,813 Speaker 9: it's just that one big score that we probably missed 674 00:34:37,853 --> 00:34:40,453 Speaker 9: in both innings. So yeah, look, there were great signs. 675 00:34:40,493 --> 00:34:42,973 Speaker 9: I thought we were on track there. We left about 676 00:34:43,013 --> 00:34:45,253 Speaker 9: one forty in the last twenty, which is what you'd 677 00:34:45,413 --> 00:34:47,773 Speaker 9: expect to get in a T twenty game, but you 678 00:34:47,973 --> 00:34:49,013 Speaker 9: just fell away towards the end. 679 00:34:49,493 --> 00:34:52,093 Speaker 2: Positive signs from Bella James on debut. 680 00:34:52,373 --> 00:34:55,093 Speaker 9: Yeah, just the intent that she showed to play those 681 00:34:55,133 --> 00:34:57,133 Speaker 9: little lap shots that she did against like I said, 682 00:34:57,133 --> 00:34:59,893 Speaker 9: some of the world's best is really impressive. So she's 683 00:34:59,893 --> 00:35:03,173 Speaker 9: not scared by the biggest scene and that's a real positive. 684 00:35:03,213 --> 00:35:04,933 Speaker 9: So yeah, I think, you know, she's going to be 685 00:35:04,933 --> 00:35:06,053 Speaker 9: really good for us going forward. 686 00:35:06,253 --> 00:35:09,413 Speaker 2: What's the plan for your players now? Domestically? 687 00:35:09,773 --> 00:35:12,493 Speaker 9: Firstly, for our White Ferns, it's important that they go 688 00:35:12,613 --> 00:35:14,533 Speaker 9: back and they be the best players in the comp 689 00:35:14,573 --> 00:35:16,053 Speaker 9: that's what we're going to ask them to do. You know, 690 00:35:16,573 --> 00:35:18,453 Speaker 9: might happen all the time, but that's that's what we 691 00:35:18,493 --> 00:35:20,613 Speaker 9: want them to achieve. And and like you said, there's 692 00:35:20,653 --> 00:35:23,373 Speaker 9: there's spots up for grabs still in the batting line up. 693 00:35:23,373 --> 00:35:25,613 Speaker 9: We want to we want to increase the depth there. 694 00:35:25,693 --> 00:35:28,013 Speaker 9: So you know, anyone in domestic cricket that can put 695 00:35:28,053 --> 00:35:30,253 Speaker 9: their hand up in this little phase is is probably 696 00:35:30,293 --> 00:35:32,373 Speaker 9: going to get an opportunity in ODII cricket. And I 697 00:35:32,373 --> 00:35:34,773 Speaker 9: think that's a real positive. So you know, we're looking 698 00:35:34,813 --> 00:35:37,773 Speaker 9: for the depth in that batting line up in particular. 699 00:35:38,173 --> 00:35:40,333 Speaker 2: Ben Toya, of course he's the coach and he's been 700 00:35:40,813 --> 00:35:43,093 Speaker 2: re signed for another two years, has to be positive. 701 00:35:43,133 --> 00:35:44,733 Speaker 2: He did look at the positives, but I think he 702 00:35:44,813 --> 00:35:47,333 Speaker 2: understands there is a mess of golf that has to 703 00:35:47,373 --> 00:35:51,533 Speaker 2: be bridged some way. Durian and I think we always 704 00:35:51,573 --> 00:35:53,173 Speaker 2: knew that was going to be the case, didn't we. 705 00:35:54,333 --> 00:35:54,973 Speaker 3: Yeah, we did. 706 00:35:55,373 --> 00:35:58,173 Speaker 5: I think everybody knows that they are slightly better side 707 00:35:58,213 --> 00:36:02,013 Speaker 5: than New Zealand. The thing is when you when you 708 00:36:02,133 --> 00:36:05,173 Speaker 5: lose matches, you tend to emphasize the good thing your 709 00:36:05,213 --> 00:36:08,293 Speaker 5: team had done, you know, So New Zealand talk about 710 00:36:08,413 --> 00:36:12,613 Speaker 5: have bended Molly Penfold's four wickets in the second game, 711 00:36:12,693 --> 00:36:15,373 Speaker 5: and Bella James getting a couple of twenties on deve 712 00:36:15,413 --> 00:36:17,813 Speaker 5: Boo and Maddie Green getting a cuple of thirty not out, 713 00:36:18,573 --> 00:36:21,213 Speaker 5: you know, and you therefore you dig into the minuti 714 00:36:21,293 --> 00:36:26,253 Speaker 5: of games where really, for me, the big message was 715 00:36:26,933 --> 00:36:30,453 Speaker 5: they were both pretty one sided games, weren't they. And 716 00:36:30,533 --> 00:36:33,813 Speaker 5: you said that one of your questions, you said. 717 00:36:34,013 --> 00:36:35,813 Speaker 3: What about all the catchers. 718 00:36:38,013 --> 00:36:40,653 Speaker 5: Our drop catchers anyway, they were pretty costly in the 719 00:36:40,693 --> 00:36:47,453 Speaker 5: forty three wides, they were quite costly and three runouts 720 00:36:47,733 --> 00:36:52,493 Speaker 5: and two of them involving Amelia Kerr, who's probably our 721 00:36:52,573 --> 00:36:54,573 Speaker 5: best all round the ground player. 722 00:36:56,693 --> 00:36:58,853 Speaker 3: So you know, there are certain things. 723 00:36:58,933 --> 00:37:01,173 Speaker 5: And our bowler is you know, always going at five 724 00:37:01,213 --> 00:37:04,573 Speaker 5: to six and over. So you know that may sound 725 00:37:04,613 --> 00:37:07,773 Speaker 5: a bit harsh and we like to be as positive 726 00:37:07,813 --> 00:37:10,453 Speaker 5: we can, but I mean, honestly, isn't a bad place 727 00:37:10,493 --> 00:37:14,093 Speaker 5: to start. It's like the New Zealand teams saying no, 728 00:37:14,213 --> 00:37:17,413 Speaker 5: we're a good catching team after the first Test, you know, 729 00:37:17,693 --> 00:37:21,453 Speaker 5: not that day you weren't. So you know, it's a 730 00:37:21,493 --> 00:37:24,573 Speaker 5: good place to start as a point of improvement. And 731 00:37:24,613 --> 00:37:27,573 Speaker 5: then you begin the plans and establishing those and the 732 00:37:27,613 --> 00:37:30,613 Speaker 5: work you need to do. It's a large task to 733 00:37:30,653 --> 00:37:34,853 Speaker 5: generate more women players in New Zealand. Maybe I don't know, 734 00:37:34,973 --> 00:37:37,693 Speaker 5: maybe our World Cup win will be the spark to 735 00:37:37,773 --> 00:37:41,293 Speaker 5: generate a few of those. But you know, we we 736 00:37:41,773 --> 00:37:45,093 Speaker 5: need more depths below it, We need more games, We 737 00:37:45,173 --> 00:37:47,453 Speaker 5: need them to play. 738 00:37:47,253 --> 00:37:48,973 Speaker 3: In different competitions if we can. 739 00:37:50,693 --> 00:37:52,573 Speaker 5: So it's all money in the end, was for our 740 00:37:52,773 --> 00:37:57,373 Speaker 5: for our in it, so so it's a question of priorities, 741 00:37:57,413 --> 00:37:57,893 Speaker 5: I guess. 742 00:37:58,533 --> 00:38:01,893 Speaker 3: But but yeah, they were a long way, long way short. 743 00:38:02,893 --> 00:38:06,053 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they've got games coming up to qualify for 744 00:38:06,093 --> 00:38:07,853 Speaker 2: the next World Cup. So it would be interesting to 745 00:38:07,893 --> 00:38:10,973 Speaker 2: see what kind of development they go through. But I 746 00:38:10,973 --> 00:38:11,613 Speaker 2: guess they have to. 747 00:38:13,493 --> 00:38:15,973 Speaker 3: Is that against India, we don't. 748 00:38:15,813 --> 00:38:17,933 Speaker 2: Know, we don't know who they are because it'll be 749 00:38:17,973 --> 00:38:22,013 Speaker 2: a time of players teams that haven't qualified for the 750 00:38:22,093 --> 00:38:26,613 Speaker 2: Women's World Cup. Finally, I didn't realize that you were 751 00:38:26,653 --> 00:38:34,173 Speaker 2: such a big star on Facebook, did you. 752 00:38:33,053 --> 00:38:35,213 Speaker 3: Because I don't have it. I don't have Facebook. 753 00:38:36,013 --> 00:38:39,493 Speaker 2: No, but you appeared or you were quoted or you 754 00:38:39,493 --> 00:38:40,093 Speaker 2: were mentioned. 755 00:38:40,293 --> 00:38:40,853 Speaker 3: It's interesting. 756 00:38:40,893 --> 00:38:43,453 Speaker 2: It gets back to the sledging issue. I'll read you 757 00:38:43,533 --> 00:38:46,373 Speaker 2: the exchange. I'm dropping this on you right out of 758 00:38:46,413 --> 00:38:51,053 Speaker 2: the blue, Kevin and Patterson putting on the issue about Coley. 759 00:38:51,213 --> 00:38:53,653 Speaker 2: He says, this is Melbourne, this is the home of 760 00:38:53,693 --> 00:38:57,133 Speaker 2: the sledge. You don't survive playing in a suburban cricket 761 00:38:57,373 --> 00:39:01,373 Speaker 2: in Footscray, Collingwood, Richmond without bringing the sledge and now 762 00:39:01,453 --> 00:39:04,373 Speaker 2: the nudge. You've got to love Coley forgetting it and 763 00:39:04,453 --> 00:39:07,933 Speaker 2: embracing Ossie culture. And a reply from one of your 764 00:39:07,973 --> 00:39:13,573 Speaker 2: former teammates to Kevin Patterson say that wasn't sledging Melbourne 765 00:39:13,653 --> 00:39:17,813 Speaker 2: or anywhere else. The cleverest sledger I ever saw was 766 00:39:17,933 --> 00:39:21,773 Speaker 2: Jerry Coney, who was too clever for most. I didn't 767 00:39:21,813 --> 00:39:23,213 Speaker 2: know you were a sledger. 768 00:39:23,533 --> 00:39:24,373 Speaker 3: Just a quiet one. 769 00:39:24,693 --> 00:39:29,413 Speaker 5: Was just a few little gentle words, usually from from 770 00:39:29,453 --> 00:39:31,573 Speaker 5: in close, in close, on the off. 771 00:39:31,453 --> 00:39:34,933 Speaker 2: Side, Ah, what was your best? 772 00:39:35,173 --> 00:39:38,013 Speaker 3: But well, I don't know whether they were. 773 00:39:38,533 --> 00:39:41,893 Speaker 5: They're not really they're not like you so and so 774 00:39:42,333 --> 00:39:48,173 Speaker 5: or anything like that. It was more just suggestions, queries 775 00:39:49,333 --> 00:39:50,493 Speaker 5: doubting their ability. 776 00:39:51,173 --> 00:39:52,893 Speaker 3: We liked the look of that. We like the look 777 00:39:52,933 --> 00:39:54,453 Speaker 3: of that, fellas Ef. 778 00:39:54,493 --> 00:39:57,053 Speaker 5: You know what we were talking about last night, Evan Gray. 779 00:39:57,573 --> 00:40:00,373 Speaker 5: Remember the thing we said about this player, this player, 780 00:40:01,373 --> 00:40:02,493 Speaker 5: Shall we try that now? 781 00:40:03,053 --> 00:40:05,973 Speaker 3: Okay? And well you know, and all those kinds of things. 782 00:40:06,053 --> 00:40:10,213 Speaker 5: Really it was it was more suggestive than that sledging. 783 00:40:10,173 --> 00:40:13,853 Speaker 3: Playing with the mind, yeah, that one. 784 00:40:13,973 --> 00:40:17,813 Speaker 2: You were too clever for many of them, apparently, according 785 00:40:17,853 --> 00:40:22,493 Speaker 2: to your former teammate, for which I am going to 786 00:40:22,493 --> 00:40:25,573 Speaker 2: take issue, of course. But never mind. We will celebrate, 787 00:40:25,973 --> 00:40:29,093 Speaker 2: We will celebrate New Year. I'm sure you will celebrate it, 788 00:40:29,133 --> 00:40:31,013 Speaker 2: and we will be back in the new year with 789 00:40:31,333 --> 00:40:35,613 Speaker 2: on the front foot. Have a good break and enjoy 790 00:40:36,533 --> 00:40:39,573 Speaker 2: the celebrations of twenty twenty five. 791 00:40:40,133 --> 00:40:44,453 Speaker 5: Absolutely all my best to everyone who listens, and those 792 00:40:44,493 --> 00:40:49,933 Speaker 5: who don't, that's right, that's their problem, and I just 793 00:40:49,973 --> 00:40:51,693 Speaker 5: hope you have a good a good time with your 794 00:40:51,733 --> 00:40:54,933 Speaker 5: families and because that's what that's the time of the year, really, 795 00:40:55,013 --> 00:40:59,373 Speaker 5: isn't it. So so the best best wishes from us. 796 00:41:00,173 --> 00:41:02,093 Speaker 2: Indeed, Thanks Jerry Cares. 797 00:41:02,693 --> 00:41:03,373 Speaker 3: Cheers once. 798 00:41:07,173 --> 00:41:07,533 Speaker 7: Summer. 799 00:41:14,373 --> 00:41:16,973 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks at b listen live on 800 00:41:17,053 --> 00:41:20,053 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 801 00:41:20,093 --> 00:41:22,653 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.