1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: Day one of the government's new Academy's pilot. Of course, 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: next three months ten offenders going to stay to Parmson 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: North facility. The following nine will be spent transitioning back 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: into the community. The person in chargeable this is the 5 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: Children's Minister Karen Shaw, who is with us. 6 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 2: Good morning, Oh morning, I hope your morning's going well. 7 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: It is so far. Do you enter this with a 8 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: level of confidence. 9 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: Oh yes, I do, because what I inherited was absolutely 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: depressing these young people who were sitting in these youth 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: aftice facilities with absolutely no hope. Now I know that 12 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 2: ten of these young men actually have some hope as 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: of today. 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: Have you been surprised at the amount of pushback you've got? 15 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: Actually no, because I do understand the trauma response, especially 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: considering the Royal Commission inquiry into care and the boot 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: camps in that inquiry, so I can understand how it 18 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: can concern some people. 19 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: You're very charitable. I watch you and question time. You've 20 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: taken a lot of heat and question time they're almost 21 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: desperate to prove you wrong. Do you feel that, Oh yeah, 22 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: I do. 23 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: And it's actually quite disappointing because what I would want 24 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: to see is them to want to see these kids succeed. 25 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: That's what we all want. We all want a better 26 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: life for our young people and we all want to 27 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: safer community. So really can't understand why people are wishing 28 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 2: this will not succeed. 29 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: Have you been able to explain to their I mean 30 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: clearly you haven't to their satisfaction, but the idea that 31 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: we've been here before it didn't work, according to them, 32 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: But somehow this is going to be different. 33 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, And we talk about all the wrap around support 34 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: and the nine months transition back into the community which 35 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: we've never done before. That are asking for community to 36 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: take this on board. That's exactly what we're doing. So 37 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: it's like talking to a brick wall sometimes when you 38 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: want something to fail so bad you're just not willing 39 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: to listen. 40 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: How do we know that if it does work, what 41 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: will it look like? How will we be able to 42 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: go look at that it worked? 43 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: And when we start seeing less harm in our communities, 44 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: that's my aim. I'm thinking about the victims of the 45 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: crimes of these young people too. We need less harm 46 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 2: in our communities and the more we can do to 47 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: turn these young people's lives around. So they're not creating 48 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: victims and harming people. That's no very successful. 49 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: That one person that you've got along with these kids 50 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: when they come out after the three months, is that 51 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: the critical bit that they've got that one person to 52 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: stay in contact with the whole way. 53 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: I think that's just part of the whole picture. But yes, 54 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: it is really important that this young person house that 55 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: has somebody to help them navigate the world when they 56 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 2: come back into the community. 57 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: What's your assessment on these kids? Is it genetics? So 58 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: in other words, it doesn't matter what you do with them, 59 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: they cannot be helped or can all kids be helped? 60 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: All kids can be helped, Mike. I could have been 61 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: one of those kids. I could have gone down the 62 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 2: wrong path, but I had that one person in my 63 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 2: life that told me I was worth something and helped 64 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 2: me to steer myself down the right pathway. So hopefully 65 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 2: we can put that right person in front of this 66 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: young person and show them that actually somebody does care 67 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 2: about them. 68 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: That's hope. So Karen appreciate it. Ti, I'm Karen sure, 69 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: who's the children's minister? Eighteen away from eight? Mike, look 70 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 1: at the program in the Northern Australia ninety percent success. Right, Yeah, 71 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: it's often it's not just the idea, it's the execution 72 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: of the idea, of course, and there's been just a 73 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of negativity around it that is not just 74 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: what they're right. 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