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Speaker 1: Jason Walls is our political editor in joining me now

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Speaker 1: hala Jason, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Are you at the National Caucus Retreat.

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Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm down in Wellington. I've been handling business

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Speaker 2: down here.

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Speaker 1: But Sophie Trigger is there. But we've got the State

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Speaker 1: of a Nation speech tomorrow from Christopher Lackson, Prime Minister.

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Speaker 2: Indeed we do this. It's been you know, when it

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Speaker 2: rains at paus down here in politics Land. We have

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Speaker 2: nothing for a couple of months and this week we

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Speaker 2: have National's Caucus Retreat, Labour's Caucus Retreat, National State of

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Speaker 2: the Nation, Act, State of the Nation in Ratina, all

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Speaker 2: in one week. But it was The Herald's Jamie Ensil

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Speaker 2: who's actually been up there at the Caucus retreating. He

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Speaker 2: says it's been rather dull in yester years as a

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Speaker 2: bit of backyard cricket. There's barbecues. Everybody's in Polos or

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Speaker 2: in Sunnis. Jamie said, there's none of that, and he

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Speaker 2: told me that the meetings are just in bland beige

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Speaker 2: conference rooms and it was corporate with the capital CE.

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Speaker 2: Kind of makes sense, really, I wasn't expecting a jovial

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Speaker 2: affair from the nats back to basics from them really

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Speaker 2: and then meanwhile Luxin's getting ready for his State of

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Speaker 2: the Nation speech tomorrow. The theme of that is you

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Speaker 2: guessed it, economic growth, and there'll be an announcement as

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Speaker 2: I understand it, but nothing hugely major. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: Shane of Etty cabinet reshuffle earlier this week was the

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Speaker 2: main bit of news, if you will. There's going to

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Speaker 2: be some interesting information about how they plan to solve

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Speaker 2: some of the more systemic ten to twenty or even

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Speaker 2: thirty year economic plans. And I do understand that there

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Speaker 2: is going to be a new refocus on opening up

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Speaker 2: minds in New Zealand. So the Greens are going to

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Speaker 2: love that one.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely and we're hearing rumors we're talking about this. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about this with Nicola Willis as well. It's a

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Speaker 1: Simon Bridges idea that we'll get rid of the visa

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Speaker 1: obligations for the Chinese, and Simon rickens there is a

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Speaker 1: billion dollars worth of extra tourism that will get from

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Speaker 1: that alone. You reckon that will be in the State

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Speaker 1: of the nation. You reckon that might be a policy

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Speaker 1: he announces, because that's an immediate benefit a short term.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think that'll be in the announcement tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I've it hasn't from what I understand it. It hasn't been

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Speaker 2: billed as a major announcement, and that's what I would

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Speaker 2: consider to be something quite major, and that's something you'd

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Speaker 2: need to get Winston Peters on board with as well.

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Speaker 2: So I haven't heard any soundings to say it's anything

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Speaker 2: along those lines.

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Speaker 1: All right, very good. We have another political poll out

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Speaker 1: and warning it's a Roy Morgan. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So it just goes to show how up in the

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Speaker 2: air everything really is. Last week, you know, there was

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Speaker 2: the taxpayer union funded Courier poll showing that National had

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Speaker 2: dropped four and a half points to twenty nine and

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Speaker 2: that were actually leap frogged by the Labor Party. Well,

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Speaker 2: this new Roy Morgan pole shows that over the December

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Speaker 2: period the NATS were actually up two point five percentage

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Speaker 2: points to thirty one. Act was on thirty in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: First on seven point five. In fact, the three parties

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Speaker 2: remained well ahead of Labour which is on twenty six percent,

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Speaker 2: Green's thirteen point five and Tea Party Marty on five

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Speaker 2: point five to sort of split that out for the

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Speaker 2: right block the coalition government, it's fifty one point five

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Speaker 2: percent and forty four for the left. Hence, I don't

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Speaker 2: think last week's bad poll for National would have been

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Speaker 2: the focus of the caucus retreat today. They're just kind

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Speaker 2: of moving. The poles are moving around too much. We

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Speaker 2: don't tend to focus on Roy Morgan as much as

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Speaker 2: the others. But it's a good little snapshot to just say,

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Speaker 2: you know, things are really really up in the air

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Speaker 2: right now. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: True, But of course the only public council is in

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Speaker 1: two years time, and I think the Courier poll will

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Speaker 1: just remind everybody. It's like a kick out the backside. Really,

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Speaker 1: you know, you've got to work hard if we're going

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Speaker 1: to keep the benches in two years time. So then

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Speaker 1: we go. Now a trigger warning. You are about to

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Speaker 1: hear a voice you haven't heard for a while. But

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Speaker 1: tell me the story about a book, Jason.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's by one just Cinda Ardurn. Remember her. June

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Speaker 2: third is when her book is coming out. It's called

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Speaker 2: a Different Kind of Power, And you'll never guess what

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Speaker 2: the theme is. Well, here's a little bit of what

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Speaker 2: she said.

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Speaker 1: As I say trigger warning, I've.

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Speaker 3: Written about things that I haven't shared before, but I've

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Speaker 3: also tried to share how it feels to leave, especially

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Speaker 3: if you're surprised to find yourself in leadership. And see

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Speaker 3: anyone who has ever doubted themselves. I really hope there's

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Speaker 3: something in it for them as well.

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Speaker 1: They go only nineteen seconds, and at least we didn't

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Speaker 1: show the visuals as well, because she smiled brightly through

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Speaker 1: the entire presentation of what was a two minute video.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's I mean, nobody's going to be surprised

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Speaker 2: by the fact it's a book about kindness and empathy.

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Speaker 2: And if you're expecting a brutal takedown piece, you'd be

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Speaker 2: out of luck, although I can't imagine why you'd be

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Speaker 2: expecting that, So I expect to see a lot more

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Speaker 2: of just send our dourness she goes to promote this book.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested to see whether she actually comes back to

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Speaker 2: New Zealand and does the book launch here, or if

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Speaker 2: she does it in Harvard or Buckingham Palace or somewhere

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Speaker 2: like that. So we'll have to wait, But yeah, brace

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Speaker 2: yourself with some more just send ardn.

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Speaker 1: Apparently she has a documentary out next week as well.

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Speaker 2: And yes, yes, I've heard. I've heard a fair bit

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Speaker 2: about that documentary as well by Clark Gayford, who was

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Speaker 2: documenting behind the scenes the whole time.

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Speaker 1: It's called Prime Minister. And I'm getting some very funny

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Speaker 1: texts coming up, I have to say, And I thank

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Speaker 1: you Jason Walls here on News Talk ZIBB.

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