1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: Barry Soper, Senior political correspondence with us Alo Berry. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Heather, never heard of it? Who Chelsea Winter? 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: What about Emily writes, no, no, my cap But that's 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: that probably says more about you. 5 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: So I thought about, what's something like that here? 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: Government's defended its record with Mardy. What's happening? 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Labour's Willie Jackson, as he's wont to do, 8 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 2: was on the war path in Parliament this afternoon having 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 2: a go at the Minister for Maldy Development, Tama Portaka, 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: who I've got to say was in fine form. Jackson 11 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: was citing how Maldy you had been suffering at the 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: hands of this government, which saw Portaka ticking off, how 13 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: Maury have actually benefited under the government policies, and then this. 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 3: We don't speak from the podium of truth, Mustter, Speaker, 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 3: but from the crucible of outcomes, mister. 16 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 4: Speaker, Speakers, will Jackson, thank you, mister speaker. Does the 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 4: Minister accept that a track record in terms of cutting 18 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 4: Marty and targeted funding in areas like Marty housing, Marty 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 4: broadcasting and Marty trade training has resulted in a record 20 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 4: ten year high of Marty unemployment. 21 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: Yes, we have inherited the fiscal cliff and Grardy broadcasting 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 3: that the member who asked a question have left us. 23 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 2: So it was in fine form. Will he I think 24 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: he got more than a bagained for you? Toma Poltaker 25 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: is normally philly mild manner. 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: Do you think he had to go away and google 27 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: the meaning of crucible? 28 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: How is that what you've been doing? 29 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: Actually, I'm not gonna lie. Got me back all right? 30 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: So Labour's in trouble, day two, day three, whatever it 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: is now for keeping the public in the dark arm Yeah, 32 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:46,919 Speaker 1: well look there. 33 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: Was further clarification on why information identified by the Royal 34 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: Commission into COVID about the dangers of requiring our under 35 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: eighteen year olds to have two COVID vaccines before they 36 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: were allowed to go to work. It was hammered out 37 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: again in Parliament this afternoon. The targets were the same. 38 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 2: The ministers who were briefed on the dangers, Labour's Chris 39 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: Hippians and the Health Minister at the time, Oscheverral New 40 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: Zealand First Winston Peters was was firing their shots through 41 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 2: the Health Minister Symbian Brown and got what he wanted 42 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: Dabo listen. 43 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 5: The Royal Commission found that Honorable Chris Hipkins was informed 44 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 5: of the COVID nineteen vaccine Technical Advisory Groups concerns and 45 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 5: a briefing on twenty two December twenty twenty one, and 46 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 5: this briefing was considered by Honorable Asia Viral on seven 47 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 5: January twenty twenty two. 48 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 6: She knows why, after more than four years, has the 49 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 6: Ministry of Health kept it hidden and why does this 50 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 6: briefing not appear in the Ministry's list of briefings provided 51 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 6: to Minister Hipkins in December of twenty twenty one. Point 52 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 6: of order the Honorable Career Mechanoltic. 53 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 5: A suggestion that a ministry kept information hidden surely as 54 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 5: an inference that shouldn't be allowed in a Christian Well, 55 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 5: I'm not a of why this briefing was not publicly released. 56 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 5: That would be a question for the Ministry of Health 57 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 5: or Honorable Chris Hipkins. 58 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: The person of course he's always yelling out is none 59 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: other than Shane Jones. I mean, it's quite funny. 60 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: Right, So is capa King you going to stay with 61 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: the Malori party or not? 62 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: Well, that's actually a very good question. Hither because she 63 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: was repatriated this week into the Malori Party. I saw 64 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: her in Parliament this afternoon, though, sitting with Takuta Ferris, 65 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: who hasn't taken any action about his expulsion, so he's 66 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: now the only independent MP in parliament. She says of 67 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: the High Court decision, she will sit with the decision well. 68 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: Carpa Kemmingy may be back on the Morrow Party's team, 69 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: but if you listen to her, the team would appear 70 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: to be dysfunctional. 71 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 7: We in a new day and age. Were he in 72 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 7: MIODI continue to experience enduring prejudice. I was left with 73 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 7: one choice, and that was to call it out in 74 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 7: one of the highest levels I could. When Chikunga was 75 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 7: blatantly ignored. The court made it very clear there was 76 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 7: no evidence to support allegations that I misused funds or 77 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 7: bought the party into disripute. It also confirmed that the 78 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 7: fat sheet distributed last October which made serious allegations against 79 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 7: one of my children stated quote regrettably did not record facts. 80 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 7: Our people want a movement that is reflective of Maori 81 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 7: hearts and minds. The question remains whether the Party Maori 82 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 7: can be trusted by mid or hair. While no changes 83 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 7: have been made, and the capability of the party beyond 84 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 7: this term is debated amongst the Emi Miudi. 85 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: Yet imagine now what's going to happen in the Malori 86 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: party because really Kapa kingiars after John Tammaheri, who of 87 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: course is the president of the party, and there's no 88 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,039 Speaker 2: love lost of course between the co leaders of the 89 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: party either in Kappa Kinghi. So look, I can't see 90 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: this panning out very nicely, and in fact, just before 91 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 2: an election where they could be the third coalition party 92 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: if Labor gets enough numbers, I think you know, they've 93 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: still got a lot of. 94 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: Reparation to do to right Barry, Thanks very much, Barry Soper, 95 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: Senior political Correspondence. 96 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 6: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 97 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,559 Speaker 6: news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 98 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 6: the podcast on iHeartRadio.