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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at b.

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Speaker 2: It's the twenty ninth of June, this Martariki weekend, which

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Speaker 2: means we are a day away from being halfway through

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Speaker 2: the year. That's insane, isn't it. It also means that

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Speaker 2: we're about to start July, and for many kiwiks, July

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Speaker 2: is an opportunity to take a bit of a pause

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Speaker 2: when it comes to drinking. Doogle Sutherland from Umbrella Well

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Speaker 2: Being as our clinical psychologist who's with us this morning.

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Speaker 3: Counter Doogle, you're a jack happy happy.

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Speaker 2: Martariki to you. Did you did you catch up with

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Speaker 2: your better half this week? Bony chance?

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Speaker 3: I did. She said she'd bumped into you, or perhaps

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Speaker 3: I don't know, bumping into your quite the right to

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Speaker 3: made herself known, to get her own celebrity.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity is a bit of a street. But it was

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Speaker 2: so nice. I was so just for our listeners and

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Speaker 2: unaware of us I was. I was standing on the

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Speaker 2: side of the street on Moldsworth Street outside outside the

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Speaker 2: Beehive the other day and a very friendly person came

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Speaker 2: up to me and said Hi Jack, Hi Jack, Hi Jack,

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Speaker 2: And I said hi and I did that thing with

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Speaker 2: just for a second, I searched her face subconsciously thinking

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Speaker 2: do I know that this person? I'm not sure, and

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Speaker 2: she said, oh, I'm really sorry. I'm Google Sutherland's wife.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. It was lovely, lovely to speak

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Speaker 2: with her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she texts me since she'd seen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, small world. Anyway, Dry July in a couple

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Speaker 2: of days, and it is a really good opportunity, whether

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Speaker 2: or not you are participating in Dry July or otherwise,

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Speaker 2: to pause and take stock a little bit of alcohol use.

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Speaker 2: And it is just an incredibly stressful moment in time

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Speaker 2: right now, and it's kind of understandable that lots of

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Speaker 2: people might be drinking a bit more than they would

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Speaker 2: like to be. But yeah, you know, the stress of

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Speaker 2: this moment, whether it's the economy or anything else, can

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Speaker 2: lead to some pretty you know, unhealthy behaviors.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, absolutely, I mean yeah, even without the whole

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Speaker 3: drive your life thing, it's just as you say, very

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Speaker 3: it's a stressful time for lots of people. And when

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Speaker 3: we know that when people are stressed, they sort of

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Speaker 3: and we can all do this, we can kind of

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Speaker 3: slip into unhealthy behaviors. You know, you eat a bit

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Speaker 3: more junk food than you want to, you perhaps don't

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Speaker 3: exercise as much. And the other thing I guess is

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Speaker 3: that you can end up just gradually drinking a bit

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Speaker 3: more and a bit more and a bit more than

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Speaker 3: maybe is ideally good for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it can be a bit of a bit of

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Speaker 2: a slippery slow pain. And I think you know, and

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Speaker 2: I'm saying this from personal experience, like some of those

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Speaker 2: behaviors are kind of self rewarding, right, Like you say,

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Speaker 2: I just need to relax, or I've got through the

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Speaker 2: week and it's a reward, or you know whatever else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think we often do that.

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Speaker 3: We kind of justify our alcohol use by going, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, it has been tough, and I just need

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Speaker 3: this to unwine and to relax. And of course, if

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Speaker 3: you're using it to unwind and relax and it's more

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Speaker 3: stressful in your life than you might find that you're

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Speaker 3: gradually using it more and more because life is more

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Speaker 3: stressful and you do need to relax more. And so

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Speaker 3: as you say, it's a bit of a slippery slope,

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Speaker 3: and it can be look at cavy if it full

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Speaker 3: to take up to you lead a healthy lifestyle. It

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Speaker 3: takes willpower, and it takes a bit of you know,

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Speaker 3: it takes a bit of planning and strength and mental

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Speaker 3: strength and that kind of thing. So it's not surprising

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Speaker 3: and it's not a blame game at all. It's just

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Speaker 3: a good opportunity to recognize what you're doing and to

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Speaker 3: stop and have a bit of a look at and

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Speaker 3: you know what you are consuming.

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Speaker 2: Are there some kind of telltale signs that maybe your

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Speaker 2: alcohol use is becoming a bit more problematic?

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Speaker 3: I mean, the obvious one is that you're obviously spending

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Speaker 3: more money, or you know, you have more you know,

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Speaker 3: there are more bottles in the recycling or whatever. But

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Speaker 3: I think some other signs are that it becomes a

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Speaker 3: little bit more difficult to enjoy yourself or to have

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Speaker 3: a social occasion without alcohol, or somebody might have made

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Speaker 3: some sort of passing comment toy you know, oh gosh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: yeah yeah, that sort of thing. Oh you drinking, I

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Speaker 3: think too. The other thing is that you gradually end

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Speaker 3: up drinking more days than you perhaps used to in

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Speaker 3: sort of Tuesday or Wednesday and you're having Oh, I

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Speaker 3: just don't have a bottle of you know, glass of

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Speaker 3: wine or whatever. And that's another telltale sign that it's

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Speaker 3: just leaking out sort of more than perhaps that you

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Speaker 3: would usually drink. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sure, So what would be your tips then, for anyone

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Speaker 2: considering drive July or a bit of a pause on

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Speaker 2: their alcohol intake. What would you suggest?

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Speaker 3: Well, and I think even if you know, I would

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Speaker 3: to sort of do drive yourly if you were, I

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Speaker 3: sometimes think of it. If you dry curious, you know,

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Speaker 3: what would it be like? You know? Yeah, then make

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Speaker 3: a commitment. And we know that if people make a commitment,

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Speaker 3: either by writing it down or by telling somebody else,

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Speaker 3: that can often help us stick to that sort of

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Speaker 3: commitment to do a new thing. So that's one thing

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Speaker 3: is writing it down, keeping a diary, and really keeping

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Speaker 3: a diary focused on not not kind of didn't have

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Speaker 3: any drink today, didn't have any drink today, but more

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Speaker 3: what you did do instead? What actually how has your

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Speaker 3: life become a bit richer and a bit better? What

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Speaker 3: have you managed to fit in? Maybe you've got more

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Speaker 3: you know, buy I don't know, whatever it is, because

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Speaker 3: you had a little bit more money. So I think

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Speaker 3: keeping a diary to really make it salient in your life.

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Speaker 3: What benefit you're.

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Speaker 2: Getting, right, Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, So basically trying to

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Speaker 2: have some kind of third party measures for accountability, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, and we know that almost

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Speaker 3: if you're writing things down, you almost act as your

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Speaker 3: own third party. If that doesn't sound too weird, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: accountable to yourself. The other thing I'd say too, is

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Speaker 3: if you do sort of cut down, don't try to avoid,

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Speaker 3: if possible, having the whole sort of notion that come

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Speaker 3: and I'm just going to make up for it again.

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Speaker 3: It's because that's really just sort of going back into

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Speaker 3: take stuff and go, actually, how has this month been

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Speaker 3: for me? What have I learned? What have I what

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Speaker 3: take that and go forward with it? Rather than just

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Speaker 3: going well, that's it, and I've done it, and now

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Speaker 3: I'll just get really you know, blotto this weekend. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a lot of friends who, you know,

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Speaker 2: who in the last couple of years have have decided,

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Speaker 2: you know, to go alcohol free or to massively cut

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Speaker 2: across someone who has gone through that and has said

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Speaker 2: it's been a bad thing in their life.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's you know, no one seems to have had,

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Speaker 2: you know, regrets when they decide to make a decision

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Speaker 2: like that. And I suppose, you know, an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: like drive you lie, actually means that people can can

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Speaker 2: take stock a little bit and maybe take a bit

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Speaker 2: of support from having other people around them going through

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Speaker 2: you know, some of the little period.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think so. You know, again, it's that sort

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Speaker 3: of accountability and not just sort of I'm accountable to somebody,

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Speaker 3: but also the sense of I'm doing it with other people,

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Speaker 3: and that often makes changing behavior easier because we know

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Speaker 3: that other people are doing it. It's not just us.

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Speaker 3: There's some support around, and I can chat to other

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Speaker 3: people and that often helps us if we're trying to

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Speaker 3: engage in some sort of new behavior. Very good.

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Speaker 2: Now, you guys have got a webinar on Tuesday, right,

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Speaker 2: so if second of July, So if you can make

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Speaker 2: you've got a tip through you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, we've got a free webinar, so it doesn't

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Speaker 3: cost anything, and we're doing it in conjunction with a

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Speaker 3: place called State of Play, who are an alcohol free

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Speaker 3: brewery and the founder of that's got a really interesting

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Speaker 3: story about he's started driving lie about four years ago

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Speaker 3: and hasn't stopped. But yeah, good opportunity just to come

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Speaker 3: along and hear some tips and some reasons. So if

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Speaker 3: on Umbrella Wellbeing's Facebook page actually, and you can sign

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Speaker 3: up through that, but it's just it's only half an

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Speaker 3: Now you can do it in your lunch break, just

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Speaker 3: to hear a few tips and tricks and maybe that

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Speaker 3: might be the motivation that you need.

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Speaker 2: Superb love your work, Thanks so much, Google. That is

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Speaker 2: Doogle Sutherland from Umbrella Wellbeing. We'll put all of us

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Speaker 2: tips there and a link to that Facebook page so

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Speaker 2: you can sign up to that webinar. On the news

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