1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: Jason Wool's political edit is with us now. 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 2: Hi, Jason, good afternoon, Heather. 3 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Okay, So Jevin mcskimming has he resigned about the initial 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: allegation or is there a second allegation? 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: Listen, it's actually quite unclear. We were trying to get 6 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: to the bottom of that at the post cabinet press 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: conference just a few moments ago, and the Prime Minister 8 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: was really not giving us much information at all. For 9 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 2: those that aren't caught up, Police Minister Mark Mitchell today 10 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: confirmed virus statement that Mick Skimmings has resigned with immediate effects. 11 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: So he was on leave after being investigated, but the 12 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: nature of those investigations we can't report now. Police Minister 13 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: Mark Mitchell also said the mc skimmings had resigned before 14 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: he could be dismissed, and actually revealed that the Prime 15 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: Minister had been about to consider recommending to the Governor 16 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: General that mcskimmings should be removed. So very very serious. 17 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: You don't hear about this happening all that often within 18 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: the halls of power. We tried to get Chris luxon 19 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: on this in a myriad of other issues to do 20 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: with mc skimmings, and this is essentially all we could 21 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: get from him. 22 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 3: Look, I'm aware of the race nation. I'm not actually 23 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: going to go into that, given the ongoing police investigation 24 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 3: that is in place, as you would expect, and I've 25 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: got no further comment to say about. 26 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: That, right and try as we might, it was no 27 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: further comment to everything. But I'll tell you what. I'll 28 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 2: tell you what he did have comment on, and he 29 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 2: came absolutely ready to talk about this, which was the 30 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: way that Nicola Willis had been talked about in the 31 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: Post newspaper over the weekend. That's where Nicola Willis was 32 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: accused of quote girl math around the pay equity moves. 33 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: And within the story written by Post Andrew Advance, it says, 34 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: turns out you can have it all so long as 35 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 2: you're prepared to be act dot dot And I'm sure 36 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: listeners can fill in the blanks there to women who 37 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: birth your kids, school your offspring, and wipe the quote 38 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: ass of your elderly patients while you stand on the 39 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: shoulders and earn your sixth figure taxpayer funded pay packet, 40 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: wrote Vance. And here's what Luxon had to say straight 41 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: out of the gate this afternoon. 42 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 3: I think it's been incredibly disappointing to see gender based abuse. 43 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: Over the course of the weekend, I saw again a 44 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 3: Labor Party promotion of a minister being portrayed as a Nazi. 45 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 3: I saw a senior media journalist talk about the sea 46 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: word and associate that with a minister. That is utterly 47 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 3: unacceptable to me. We in this place often talk about, 48 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: and I'm often asked questions about gendered abuse and what's 49 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 3: going on in Parliament for our female in piece. And 50 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 3: yet we have that conversation, the same people that raise 51 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: those issues ultimately end up continuing to prosecute the gendered 52 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: abuse that we're seeing. 53 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 2: So the Nazi comment was made in relation to a 54 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: Labor Facebook page that posted a photoshopped image of Brooke 55 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: van Velden in a Nazi uniform. And I think, you know, 56 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: it's absolutely fair enough for the PM to make these 57 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: comments and good and good on him for doing so. 58 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: Attack the policy, sure, but some of the attacks that 59 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: have been leveled against some of the women in government 60 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: have been frankly quite disgraceful. 61 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, to be fair to Labor, they have deleted this post, 62 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: haven't they, And they have said it was inappropriate and 63 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: it seems like it was just some random brownch up 64 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: north that did it. 65 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: It does, But I mean if she was on the 66 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: other foot, right, imagine if the Nats were in opposition 67 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: and something like this happened, you know, it would be 68 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: wall to wall coverage. So it's fair to points. 69 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: I just I think that the difference here is that 70 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: Labor has portrayed Brook van Velden as a Nazi, realized 71 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: they shouldn't have done it, taken it down and apologized, 72 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: whereas the Sunday Start has called a minister the sea word, 73 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: which is like, surely unprecedented, and then has decided that 74 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: that's all good. 75 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it was so unprecedented that Nicola Willis 76 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: got an entire five six hundred word right, of which 77 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: it's been running all day. 78 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: Isn't this the interesting thing, right that it actually gave her, 79 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: First of all, for the first time, you actually feel 80 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: sorry for Nichola Willis. Is not a person you feel 81 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: sorry for because she clearly is so capable, right, but 82 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: now you're actually like, Asia, I've got a bit of 83 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: sympathy and empathy for you, and this this feels really harsh. 84 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: But also she gets to lay out the government's argument 85 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: for everybody to read, which is the very thing they 86 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: haven't been able to do properly. It gave her the 87 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: opportunity to actually explain why they're doing it. 88 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: And it's almost like in the House. You know, she 89 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: gave this speech the other day in the third Reading 90 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: that was essentially laying out the government's case for these changes, 91 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: which really fell upon deaf ears in terms of the 92 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: coverage when it was made. And then she has this 93 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: big article today and then you got the Prime Minister 94 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: coming out, So yeah, I think you're absolutely right. 95 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, now listen what's going on between Act and National? 96 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: Why are they're fighting in public again? 97 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 3: Ah? 98 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's two elements here. There's the agreed 99 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: to disagree clause when it comes over to the firearms Registry. 100 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: That is fine, that is absolutely how M and P works, 101 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: that's exactly what they should be doing. And there's a 102 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: clause in the agreement for a reason. What is really 103 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: interesting is what's happening around this social media ban in 104 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: terms of the ACT party still saying listen, we don't 105 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: think this is very well conceived law. But Luxon's still 106 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: saying that Actor coming around to changing their views on this, 107 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: and that postcab it was really brushing this off. 108 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 3: I thought, I mean ex supportive of a deeper look 109 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 3: into the subject, and that's a good thing. 110 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: We kept asking questions about this, more specifically about Seymour 111 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: saying that ACT hasn't shifted its position on the social 112 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 2: media policy, but Luxen kept doubling down. 113 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 3: Look in ex support of atipa look into the issue. 114 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: That's a positive step. 115 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: So he's spinning it saying it's just them wanting to 116 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: have a deeper look into the issue. So we'll see 117 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: where they get to on this one. I mean, the 118 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: government seems to be itaid, the government, Nats seem to 119 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 2: be looking to court some support from either Labor or 120 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 2: the Greens on this one. So Chris Hopkins is actually 121 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: just speaking to media now, so we'll have an update 122 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: on this one very soon. 123 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: Good stuff, Hey, Jason, thanks very much. Appreciate it. Jason 124 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: Wool's political editor. For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, 125 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: listen live to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, 126 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.