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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Simon Barnett and James Daniels Afternoons

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Speaker 1: podcast from News Talk zedb Well.

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Speaker 2: Richard O'Brien made his mark in the history of musicals

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Speaker 2: and cult movies after creating The Tale of a Sweet

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Speaker 2: Transvestite from Transylvania. The Rocky Horror Picture Show has played

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Speaker 2: in theaters and cinema screens around the world for the

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Speaker 2: past five decades, cementing itself as one of the greatest

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Speaker 2: musicals of all time. Now, Richard O'Brien's created a new

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Speaker 2: show for the modern times. Kingdom of Bling, a satirical

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Speaker 2: fairy tale inspired by the craziness of American politics, is

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Speaker 2: set in a time of confusion when so many madly

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Speaker 2: strange beliefs collide. That's the background. It's playing around the

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Speaker 2: country in October and November. We've got all the details

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Speaker 2: on where you can get tickets on our Facebook page.

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Speaker 2: It is a great pleasure to welcome Richard O'Brien on

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Speaker 2: for six and a song. Hello Richard, Cia.

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Speaker 3: Simon and James, thank you for having me on your program.

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Speaker 3: Dear boys, Well, my.

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Speaker 4: Goodness, I've been looking forward to this. I'm a big

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Speaker 4: fan of the Rocky Horror Show. No great surprise, but hey,

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Speaker 4: I'll start off with a question. Are you British or

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Speaker 4: are you Kiwi?

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Speaker 3: Born and born in Great Britain during the war at

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Speaker 3: a war baby. My parents emigrated in nineteen fifty two

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Speaker 3: and we came out on the Ruheny a second voyage.

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Speaker 3: Actually it would have been lovely of doing. It was

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Speaker 3: the maiden voyage, but on the second voyage, and in

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Speaker 3: nineteen fifty two we arrived at Frankton Station at about

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Speaker 3: four o'clock in the morning and life went on. It was,

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Speaker 3: it was delightful, it was It was perhaps one of

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Speaker 2: Would have to say probably one of the others would

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Speaker 2: be the Rocky Horror Picture Show itself. Can we ask

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Speaker 2: where did the idea and inspiration come from? And did

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Speaker 3: No, Rocky Horror is a work of juvenilia. It's written

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Speaker 3: It's one of those, isn't it really? Well?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, is it? I mean?

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Speaker 3: There I was, I was out of work I've been

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Speaker 3: I wrote a few jokes about, you know, about twenty

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Speaker 3: it was a movie industry party. I said, these are

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Speaker 5: Really wow.

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Speaker 4: So what was the initial reaction from the world of

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Speaker 3: I just received an email yesterday from the guy who

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Speaker 3: when we played the sixty three people per night, And

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Speaker 5: Actually, you know, one.

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Speaker 2: Of the things with the Rocky Horror is it just

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Speaker 2: They'd throw rice, they'd get into their favorite coat. Have

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Speaker 3: I did? I did. I went to a long, long

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Speaker 4: As yeah, well, so you've now got a new show.

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Speaker 4: It's called the Kingdom of Bling. Tell us a little

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Speaker 4: bit about that, well, that this is to do.

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Speaker 3: We can't none of us who love liberal democracy and

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Speaker 3: rainbow community, none of us can allow this, this, this

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Speaker 3: slug to to be in a position of world power

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Speaker 5: You're talking about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I am. It is a disgusting human being. And

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Speaker 3: I and I and I just want everybody to wake up.

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Speaker 3: It looks as if he's imploding. It looks as if

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Speaker 3: he can't help himself, and he is he is, But

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Speaker 3: I just want everybody to see him for what he is.

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Speaker 3: I don't get it. He is so he is so dreadful,

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Speaker 5: It is?

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Speaker 2: You're right, though, it's it's the world is very divided.

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Speaker 2: And the Trump supporters will remain steadfast and it doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter why. And he said that himself, Donald Trump, it

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Speaker 2: And there's probably real truth in that.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand. How can he be far right and

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Speaker 2: It's a strange mix. I agree with that. I agree

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Speaker 2: with that entirely so is he? Is he a character

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Speaker 5: What is he?

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Speaker 3: Well? Ye, the he, the he who runs the Kingdom

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Speaker 3: of Bling is in fact, yes, based slightly allegedly.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump, cover your bert. Are you are you happy

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Speaker 3: Am I happy?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 5: Are you happiest on stage? Is that what you?

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Speaker 3: No, I'm happiest. I'm happiest sitting on the sofa with

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Speaker 5: Do you have a life partner?

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Speaker 3: I do? I have? I have. I'm very, very blessed.

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Speaker 3: And that's no mean for it. I can believe in me.

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Speaker 5: That's lovely. Are you in the Kingdom of Bling? Sorry,

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Speaker 2: One last thing and we'll take a quick break. When

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Speaker 2: you when you created the Rocky Horror Show, did you

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Speaker 2: is it difficult when you create something then to hand

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Speaker 2: And do you sit there like directors and produces a

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Speaker 5: Is it?

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Speaker 3: That's all in movies? I know everybody was having a

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Speaker 5: Brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Our guest, and it is a special guest, A lovely guest.

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Speaker 2: Richard O'Brien, creator of the Rocky Horror Show. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: mate for your time very much.

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Speaker 3: It's a great pleasure. I'm delighted to be here now.

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Speaker 5: Richard.

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Speaker 4: We understand that you live in todunger now, but what's

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Speaker 2: What's one of the nicest compliments you've ever received in

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't don't know about that really, when you've

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Speaker 5: Oh that's not.

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Speaker 3: And I looked over my shoulder.

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Speaker 2: That's a great story a female and.

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Speaker 3: Said that to me, hellow, you don't warn Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Actually you were a hunch in the Rocky Horror Show.

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Speaker 4: But if you had the power, if you had the

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Speaker 4: that be?

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Speaker 3: If I had a wish, if I had the three wishes,

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Speaker 3: give me the three wishes. No guns, no gods, no greed.

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Speaker 5: Oh interesting, all the jeez.

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Speaker 2: We have a problem with number two, you and I Richard,

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Speaker 2: but we'll part that for another discussion. Hey mate, what

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Speaker 2: it just didn't matter.

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Speaker 3: It's brutality, and it's it's as if there's again trumpion,

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Speaker 2: Because when you see humility in its purest form, it's

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Speaker 3: I don't like pride. Pride comes before a fall, and

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Speaker 3: Proud to be gay makes no sense. Proud to be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but doesn't make sense like you be proud to

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Speaker 5: What is one of the things you're most satisfied with

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Speaker 3: The fact that I'm loved by my family and my children,

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a lovely answer. That night, if you could

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Speaker 2: invite one person still alive for dinner, anybody, Richard, anybody

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Speaker 3: I think I'd like to invite to dinner and say

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good on you, mate. Hey, look, thank you very

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Speaker 4: much for your time.

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Speaker 5: Today.

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Speaker 4: We finished six in a song with a song. So

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Speaker 4: what is the song you've chosen today?

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Speaker 5: And why?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'd like to something uplifting, something to make them

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Speaker 3: a very good message, a whole lot of love by

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Speaker 2: It will do you, and you'll do us. Lovely, lovely

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Speaker 2: to chat with you, Richard. You're a thoughtful, thoughtful man.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time. All the very best with

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Speaker 2: the Kingdom of Bling and just a reminder, folks. All

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Speaker 2: the details the tour dates where it's playing are on

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Speaker 2: news Talk Zidby's website.

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Speaker 5: The show is starting to tour.

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Speaker 2: In October and through to November, so those dates News

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Speaker 2: Talks Richard, all the very best, mate, Here.

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Speaker 5: Is your song.

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