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Speaker 1: And huddle with me. This evening we have Josepahgani, CEO

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Speaker 1: Maximums to Jude. Hello, you guys, Hello Josie. The shakeup

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Speaker 1: of the earthquake rules as well over due, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I actually think this is a pretty good balance.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've got to get somewhere between no risk

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Speaker 2: some kind of balanced risks. So we do it with

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Speaker 2: cars all the time, right, I mean, if we didn't

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Speaker 2: everybody has to drive at five kilometers per hour. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you kind of go. You know, you've got to have

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Speaker 2: a sensible sort of in between. I do worry, though,

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Speaker 2: while I think this is really good, the big issue

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Speaker 2: not convinced yet that they've really thought that through. And

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Speaker 2: the insurance. Well if they're not insuring. So I listened

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Speaker 2: to the minister and he said, oh, no, the buildings

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Speaker 2: I'm not yet sure that that's what the insurance companies

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Speaker 2: still don't think that this is going to be earthquake

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fair point. What do you think, Tim?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, two fair points. I mean the Minister was saying,

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Speaker 3: banks are typically you know, they're very long faced about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Tim, I do.

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Speaker 2: I do wonder though, Heather, whether or not, because we

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Speaker 2: So I think a better conversation about offloading risk into

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Speaker 1: It's a fair point to make, Tim. Where are you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I heard your editorial and I do think

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Speaker 2: I mean you've got to accept that people on both

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Speaker 2: And you're right, recognizing Palestine doesn't make a difference to that,

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Speaker 2: If you have most countries recognizing that you're never going

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Speaker 1: Explain to me. Explain to me how recognizing a state

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Speaker 2: Easier, because then you can negotiate. So I actually think

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Speaker 3: Just in terms of the Palestinian.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about Donald Trump's peace plan, right, That's that's

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Speaker 1: not what these are. Two Are you not conflating the

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Speaker 2: No, I'm saying that if you recognize, if you recognize

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Speaker 1: Just hold that for because I want to hear it,

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Speaker 1: but I just have to take a quick break. We'll

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Speaker 1: what were.

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Speaker 3: You going to say, Oh, just about the Palestinian authority.

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Speaker 3: I mean it seemed from within Palestine as corrupt, authoritarian

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Speaker 3: So the Palestinian authority is not necessarily the kind of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair point. Okay, Now have you caught up Josie

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Speaker 2: Well, look, yeah, this is much more important, clearly. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I love our priorities are set right. I hate those

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Speaker 1: Then she said, why don't you stick your oranges in

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Speaker 2: Oh? Why don't you put them in the waistmaster?

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Speaker 2: Very push Also I have a toaster and a dish washer.

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Speaker 3: I've brought four dish washers, but that's another story.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So the cost, the cost saving carbon saving sort

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Speaker 3: thank you. If you bought it an ets, it's fifty

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Speaker 1: That's also a lot of Laura cake that didn't get baked.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to point out Tim, you say you speak

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Speaker 1: so much common sence, Josie, go and work on it, please,

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Speaker 1: scrap them. But Auckland Council does not logical or rational,

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Speaker 1: So probably what they're going to do is go buy

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Speaker 1: lumping all cland Concil ratepayers with so much more cost.

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Speaker 1: Because that would be the thing that they would do

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Speaker 1: to avoid the man having to pick up fourteen kgs,

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Speaker 1: So if that happens, sorry, that was our fault.

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