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Speaker 2: Hello on the Front Foot this week tries to answer
Speaker 2: a few questions as the ICC lost control of the
Speaker 2: game to boot the money investors. Two wins in the
Speaker 2: financial race game for the corporates. This New Zealand Cricket's
Speaker 2: previous administrators deliver a hospital part for the current leaders
Speaker 2: as they face the contract as you would players seemingly
Speaker 2: now available with no franchise crickets being played. He who
Speaker 2: pays the piper own is Conway worth more than Ravender
Speaker 2: or Allen on the casual contract versus the free market league?
Speaker 2: And where have we heard this before? World Players Union
Speaker 2: wants reform in broken unsustainable cricket calendar. Goodness graces me
Speaker 2: joining us as ever Jeremy Coney and the former Central
Speaker 2: Districts a spin baller, Stue duff because he's going to
Speaker 2: talk to us about left arm spin bowling. Why are
Speaker 2: there so many bloody left arm spin bowlers left in
Speaker 2: the world. They seem to be three of three or
Speaker 2: four on every team. We'll talk about that a little
Speaker 2: bit later on Duffy. But Jerry, the issues that we're
Speaker 2: talking about today, they've been bubbling, bubbling under for some time.
Speaker 2: It's not unexpected, is it that the the World Players
Speaker 2: Union wants a reform.
Speaker 3: No no high wand side hi Stu and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: congested schedule. It's a pretty coming cry. You know. It's
Speaker 3: good that the cricket TV companies wont to broadcast the game.
Speaker 3: That's great, but pretty clear we've got close to breaking
Speaker 3: point just the sheer quantity of it, isn't it really?
Speaker 3: And I think also a bit of a concern that
Speaker 3: the quality may not quite be there. It's becoming just
Speaker 3: another game when you turn on the telly, it's like
Speaker 3: warpaper in that wall to wall kind of. It's sometimes
Speaker 3: quite a good reason to make people wait. I think
Speaker 3: can build up a bit of expectation. But somewhere in
Speaker 3: the world there is a game going on and you
Speaker 3: wonder to yourself, what stage is this format at? You
Speaker 3: know what I mean? But there are three formats worldwide
Speaker 3: wides four in England Ic CE tournaments every year, T
Speaker 3: twenty ODIs and Test Championships and a Champion's trophy, and
Speaker 3: then on top you've got the bilaterals and then any
Speaker 3: break there's an endless list of franchise ornaments. So lots
Speaker 3: of upside for the players, lots of money, lots of options,
Speaker 3: money and power. They got it both, haven't they. And
Speaker 3: that comes into the contracts that you were talking about later.
Speaker 2: Ju and I were talking about the quality issue that
Speaker 2: you mentioned as well, and that quality isn't there in
Speaker 2: some of these tournaments now. There's no real contest between
Speaker 2: the best players, is there?
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: I'm a little bit ignorant about it too, because I
Speaker 4: just come by the turning on and watching it. It's
Speaker 4: just another tournament, just another bit of cricket played somewhere.
Speaker 4: So for me, I don't I don't follow it particularly closely,
Speaker 4: and you just give a passing interest that there's a
Speaker 4: game being played somewhere in some country you've never heard
Speaker 4: of cricket being played before, But I guess with Dustin
Speaker 4: Johnson when he wins to the golf, he stead, if
Speaker 4: someone's going to pay you more for doing less than
Speaker 4: you're going to do it. And the cricketers are in
Speaker 4: that boat, aren't they. They don't have to be tied
Speaker 4: to a contract with the country anymore. They can just
Speaker 4: be free agents and wander around the world and pick
Speaker 4: up more money. So you can't really blame them, but
Speaker 4: it's a shame about the impact on the game in total.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jerry, the issue you know players and Ben Stokes
Speaker 2: was one mentioned says it needs to be reformed. We
Speaker 2: don't know what the game of cricket is going to
Speaker 2: be like in two years. Well, what's it going to
Speaker 2: be like in two weeks? That's one of the questions.
Speaker 2: Do you think they will do anything about it? And
Speaker 2: do you think the ICC really care? They just want
Speaker 2: the money?
Speaker 3: Gee, that's a lot of questions. Was Look, it's certainly
Speaker 3: changing very quickly, isn't it. There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 3: The days I think back to when we were going
Speaker 3: in a van to the airport at the start of
Speaker 3: a tour and the manager and the passenger seat at
Speaker 3: the front turns and sort of hands out a sheet
Speaker 3: of paper and says sign this and that's our contract.
Speaker 3: You know, no central contracts. In those days. We were
Speaker 3: all packed. You know, we nearly had our boarding pass,
Speaker 3: but we just signed and didn't care. I really just
Speaker 3: wanted to play. But you know, now all the players
Speaker 3: are in a position to bargain, and so ever since
Speaker 3: the IPL started they've allowed the market to regulate the game.
Speaker 3: They just have sat back, unfortunately, and the longer formats
Speaker 3: are now not really quite so commercially viable other than England,
Speaker 3: and so really the administrators need to create windows, don't
Speaker 3: they for international play, and then another one for franchise play,
Speaker 3: and then another one for a breathing space. I think
Speaker 3: that's very important. You mentioned Ben Stokes there, so his
Speaker 3: injury and as soon as you got sport, you've got
Speaker 3: a chance of injury. But they've got to bring some
Speaker 3: order to it. My worry is that they're too far
Speaker 3: down the road. We're about ten to twelve years late,
Speaker 3: and you know they've sat back and allowed the market
Speaker 3: to take control and they didn't know what to do
Speaker 3: or how to do it. And so it's not the
Speaker 3: administrators setting the schedule, it's the market and the players.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's and that's the game. Sure, isn't the
Speaker 2: time now? Is They just want to keep raking in
Speaker 2: the money from all these games. And it seems to
Speaker 2: me that the Mumbai Indians are going to make all
Speaker 2: the money. Some of the players will get a good
Speaker 2: deal of cash as they do in terms of the contracts,
Speaker 2: but you know, not everybody's going to benefit from all
Speaker 2: this money that's going around. It's going to go into
Speaker 2: the pockets of the big money people. That's the way
Speaker 2: I see it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just filtered through all the way down. I
Speaker 4: think we're talking about it off here before. And Doug
Speaker 4: Bracewells turned down in a Central Districts contract because he
Speaker 4: can make more money just dipping in and out and
Speaker 4: playing for Central and then going over and playing for
Speaker 4: in the Southern African League. And once it's happening at
Speaker 4: domestic level, it's filtered all the way down. And New
Speaker 4: Zealand are in a really parless situation, much more so
Speaker 4: than anyone else because they can't afford to pay enough.
Speaker 4: And you get your best player, came Williamson moving on
Speaker 4: and admittedly he's going to play a lot of cricket
Speaker 4: for New Zealand, you'd hope. But he's choosing not to
Speaker 4: take the biggest contract there is. So if it's left
Speaker 4: that's not enough, then where do you say?
Speaker 2: Did you play in the era of the contracts here
Speaker 2: when they went through that bargaining process and it was
Speaker 2: quite ugly for a while, wasn't it in terms of
Speaker 2: domestic players?
Speaker 3: No, I didn't.
Speaker 4: I played in the area where we got forty bucks
Speaker 4: a day.
Speaker 3: But you paid you even you were lucky.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had to pay meil and laundry out of that,
Speaker 4: so obviously you know you were rolling.
Speaker 2: In it, of course. Yeah. I worry now Jerry, and
Speaker 2: you know Devon Conway, we don't know that. There was
Speaker 2: talk of something like three million dollars was on the
Speaker 2: table and you know he's going to take He's going
Speaker 2: to take a big money payout, as are all the players.
Speaker 2: I just worry about the development of the game now
Speaker 2: he's thirty three. But the other people, the likes of
Speaker 2: Ruts and Ravendra, his value on the open market, well,
Speaker 2: it's just eyewatering to think what they would want to
Speaker 2: pay Ruts and Ravender. And I understand he's already getting
Speaker 2: plenty of offers and that's no surprise, is it.
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of our players, it seems to me
Speaker 3: we're dividing into sort of two or three three different groups,
Speaker 3: aren't we. You've got the Nichems, Bolt, Ferguson, Milne, Colin
Speaker 3: Munroe has been doing it for a while and Siphered
Speaker 3: is a certain extent is there as well for Allen
Speaker 3: and they are kind of their own people. They are
Speaker 3: responsible for themselves. No central money coming to the to
Speaker 3: them from New Zealand Cricket and nothing for if they
Speaker 3: break a leat or something like that. They'll have to
Speaker 3: have their own medical arrangements. Nothing for Hammes, and I'm
Speaker 3: thinking they're of Ferguson and Merlin. That goes down then
Speaker 3: I'm afraid you find your own physio, you know, that's
Speaker 3: part of the deal if you choose that way. And
Speaker 3: then you've got this new thing called casual contracts. Williamson
Speaker 3: one hundred tests. The interesting one you mentioned was Conway
Speaker 3: twenty tests. It's not that many. It's not that many.
Speaker 3: He is thirty three, which is your point, and its
Speaker 3: marriage and its family and so on, you know, in
Speaker 3: the extra car in a slightly larger house, but I
Speaker 3: can see next year. I don't know what you guys think.
Speaker 3: Mitchell Phillips, Santner. You mentioned Ravendra, Well he'll be in line.
Speaker 3: He's only twenty four, but he may because he's that stage,
Speaker 3: he may want to play a few more tests, Mark Chapman,
Speaker 3: or perhaps join the Niche and Bolt Finalen kind of
Speaker 3: way more. But that's twelve players. Wads I worry for
Speaker 3: me the up and coming players. And Stu's mentioned it
Speaker 3: about first class sitting beside and alongside and a setting
Speaker 3: of a changing room of Bruce Taylor, Richard Collins, Bevan Congden,
Speaker 3: Bruce Murray, all that experience and knowledge will now be
Speaker 3: absent from a dressing room and the way that it
Speaker 3: forms and it shapes you as a player. The other
Speaker 3: point I would make is about pity for the n
Speaker 3: z S and Stu's mentioned that as well. There's not
Speaker 3: much they can do, but they've seen these players go
Speaker 3: through club cricket, underage seventeen and nineteens, provincial cricket, n
Speaker 3: ZEDA teams, development teams. They've paid for traveling overseas and
Speaker 3: for New Zealand for first class affairs. They played airfares
Speaker 3: around New Zealand accommodation. All the pitchers and indoor nets
Speaker 3: and those things are prepared, all the insurance if they
Speaker 3: get injured. Coaching staff. You know, there is a cost
Speaker 3: in preparing a player to be the best they can be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and some of those players have developed new mentions
Speaker 2: to the central districts of Doug Bracel and Tom Bruce.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know their days internationally are gone. They're
Speaker 2: going to take the extra money they can make by
Speaker 2: going to the franchises or doing that little bit extra
Speaker 2: to finish off their career. I mean a Tom Bruce,
Speaker 2: I think they had a job anyway, didn't he But
Speaker 2: you know that's what they're going to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Blead techns another who will be in that boat
Speaker 4: for sure. And as Jeremy said, it really filters down badly.
Speaker 4: And club cricket's been going through that for maybe twenty years,
Speaker 4: but now it's going to start happening in the first
Speaker 4: class group arena where you don't get to play with
Speaker 4: those guys that you know, I played with the International
Speaker 4: cricketers cricket level, that just doesn't happen anymore. And if
Speaker 4: that's the case at first class leave where you've got
Speaker 4: a real problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I had that advantage too and club and
Speaker 2: not not that it made me any better as a cricketer,
Speaker 2: but I shared a dressing room with the players that
Speaker 2: Jerry was talking about, Bags, Murray, T. G. McMahon. You know,
Speaker 2: Bruce Taylor was the captain of the side, John Morrison,
Speaker 2: you know, the name goes on. I'd love to have
Speaker 2: been able to have some of their skill rub off,
Speaker 2: but just the experience they brought to you. You know,
Speaker 2: when you sat down after you played a bad shot
Speaker 2: and Bruce Taylor would come and and you know he'd
Speaker 2: give you a real air full. Bags would sit beside
Speaker 2: you and say, well, bad luck. You know you probably
Speaker 2: could have played that one a little bit better. And
Speaker 2: you know, all those sorts of things will be missing,
Speaker 2: and we're going to end up, as I said previously,
Speaker 2: with a whole lot of bloody baseball players, you know,
Speaker 2: batting seven balls for fifteen or bowling five balls and
Speaker 2: calling it an over.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well look, I just think why would you as
Speaker 3: a board want to have a situation where you've probably
Speaker 3: got a lot of younger players perennially young New Zealand side,
Speaker 3: Because every decent player who has a couple of good years,
Speaker 3: say at International Crickets, is snatched away or lured or whatever,
Speaker 3: willingly led away, it'll be the end of our conservative
Speaker 3: selection policies. But you know the you know, why would
Speaker 3: you want to spend their money preparing local players for
Speaker 3: a labor force of some overseas cement baron?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: And even if you're an older first class player who
Speaker 3: get in the New Zealand side, you're even more vulnerable
Speaker 3: because you're married and as I say, you want other things.
Speaker 3: Even our coaches we've lost the Torrian Fleming and McCallum.
Speaker 3: They're gone and you know they are taken by the
Speaker 3: franchise set up as well. But the next question is
Speaker 3: what can New Zealand Cricket do. If I was a
Speaker 3: player coming to New Zealand to play for New Zealand
Speaker 3: for the first time, could New Zealand Cricket offer me
Speaker 3: a contract because I've played well at the first class
Speaker 3: level and you know I'm coming up and I'm the
Speaker 3: real deal. And if they offer me a contract, could
Speaker 3: they make it for three or four or five years
Speaker 3: and say, look, this is a multiple contract. We'll pay
Speaker 3: you for this time, but you play for New Zealand
Speaker 3: and these other conditions, and the player then makes his choice,
Speaker 3: and they know that I would know that I need
Speaker 3: international performance to be recognized by the franchise setup, and
Speaker 3: the contract should have to be constructed carefully. And it
Speaker 3: might mean if I break it in two and a
Speaker 3: half years, I have to pay some money back to
Speaker 3: the board because I've broken the contract. But surely the
Speaker 3: board has to hug a bit of cash back from
Speaker 3: some of these guys. Guys, we are going to have
Speaker 3: millionaires short format players living in New Zealand still playing,
Speaker 3: but not for New Zealand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you have for five, say a five
Speaker 2: year contracts you run out of form in eighteen months time,
Speaker 2: do you keep that contract going? I mean, what about
Speaker 2: the old days? And I know this is really old
Speaker 2: day stuff where you're played by the you were paid
Speaker 2: by the games you played, the wickets you took or
Speaker 2: the runs you scored. You know, that was the old
Speaker 2: contracting system, wasn't it. You wouldn't be able to make
Speaker 2: that work these days, would you.
Speaker 4: It's a really complicated situation, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 4: It's a really difficult one. I see where Jerry's coming from.
Speaker 4: But then you take. You need to be pretty nostrodamus
Speaker 4: like to work out who's going to be the good
Speaker 4: players down the trail and decide that you're going to
Speaker 4: stick with those guys. And it's a really terrible situation,
Speaker 4: he said on Cricketer Found Themselves and they're just allowing
Speaker 4: people to walk out without any recompense. You know, last
Speaker 4: go back to last year when all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: Tom Bruce and Doggie brace Well went with the Central
Speaker 4: Districts team when they'd been contract for the season. But
Speaker 4: there's no loss of income apart from the matches they missed.
Speaker 4: They've still got their contracts and where's the enforcement of
Speaker 4: a contract. They're just taking the easy way out because
Speaker 4: it's too difficult.
Speaker 2: Well, who was the bowler who walked out after he
Speaker 2: bowled his overs in the middle of a game during
Speaker 2: one of the internationals, wasn't it He got.
Speaker 3: Muhammed AHMYA yeah, yeah, Muhammad Amya was over in England
Speaker 3: and they are playing one hundred competition there and he
Speaker 3: got drafted into one of those franchises. He only was
Speaker 3: there for one game. Well, he left after thirty minutes.
Speaker 3: He bowled his overs the first couple of overs left
Speaker 3: after thirty minutes, had his suitcase at the ground and
Speaker 3: just headed off to the airport to go over to
Speaker 3: America to play in a franchise competition there. Extraordinary, what's happening.
Speaker 3: I wasn't suggesting, by the way, Stu, that everybody would
Speaker 3: have that four year contract. If it's an Avendra or
Speaker 3: a Martin Crow or someone like that Dora Hadley, who's
Speaker 3: obviously someone special, you want to get them early before
Speaker 3: they've played, you know, really come into the thing and
Speaker 3: suddenly the franchises want them from all over the world. Sure,
Speaker 3: and the other guys you might, yeah, the other guys,
Speaker 3: you might make it one and a half two years
Speaker 3: sort of thing.
Speaker 4: But like a football model, wasn't it that they give
Speaker 4: you and they you know, they get them to the
Speaker 4: Manchester United when they're fifteen or fourteen and tie them
Speaker 4: in for a decent period of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't want to be an administrator
Speaker 2: trying to sort it out in New Zealand because New
Speaker 2: Zealand just doesn't have the money. They have to rely
Speaker 2: on money that comes from ICC, from television and from
Speaker 2: other forms of advertising and stuff. But you know that
Speaker 2: money has never really been in the game in New
Speaker 2: Zealand hasidant. So you know, you talk about your forty
Speaker 2: dollars a day or forty dollars a game, forty dollars
Speaker 2: a week, depending on how it was spread out, that
Speaker 2: that was the way it was. And it's going to
Speaker 2: be tough for them to negotiate because the players have
Speaker 2: got all the power now, haven't they.
Speaker 4: Yeah, massive amounts and that can get paid in so
Speaker 4: many places around the world that they don't really need
Speaker 4: New Zealand except as their base, and unfortunately we've got
Speaker 4: I don't know how they solve it.
Speaker 2: No interesting challenge for the administrators. I'm sure we will
Speaker 2: hear a lot more on this because the issue of
Speaker 2: whether they're going to have an investigation and was an
Speaker 2: unsustainable cricket calendar remains up in the air, I suppose,
Speaker 2: and we will hear about that in due course.
Speaker 3: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2: The black Caps off to the subcontinent. Student is the
Speaker 2: white ball game? Has it been the salvation for spin bowling?
Speaker 2: We've got truckloads of them going. There's five options open
Speaker 2: to Captain Tim Soudy. He's not going to use them all.
Speaker 2: He's got Seclaim Mushtak there to help those spin bowlers
Speaker 2: through the difficulties of bowling over there. How would you
Speaker 2: go about picking aside and which spinners would you opt for?
Speaker 4: Well, I think I was thinking about this before and
Speaker 4: before we started, and I think the fortunate situation for
Speaker 4: the teams that they've got Ravendra and Phillips who will
Speaker 4: probably play as batsman. So they've got two ballers there
Speaker 4: for a start who can hit part timers admittedly, but
Speaker 4: they're reasonable part timers. And then you can decide of
Speaker 4: the other three who's boiling the best and however many
Speaker 4: you want out of those guys, one or two depending
Speaker 4: on the pitch conditions, out of Patel, sand and Braceful,
Speaker 4: I think you'll to feed them in on who's bowling
Speaker 4: the best, as long as those other two are doing
Speaker 4: a reasonable job as well, because they'll play anyway. So
Speaker 4: I think that's probably how they'll look to do it.
Speaker 4: You can have too many spin bowlers in a team
Speaker 4: you don't want to be. It's really hard if you
Speaker 4: just feel like, oh, well there's eight overs, you need
Speaker 4: a decent spell. And so I think there's a can
Speaker 4: be a problem of having too many in a team
Speaker 4: and the people not doing the job. You often get
Speaker 4: better and better when when you're boiling a spell into
Speaker 4: your twentieth to twenty five to thirty overs and things
Speaker 4: start to happen there rather than bowling eight. Oh you
Speaker 4: haven't got a wicket off you go. Yeah, that's an
Speaker 4: interesting situation. I think who's boiling the best out of
Speaker 4: those three will end up playing you.
Speaker 3: They're different bowlers, aren't they really? When you look at them.
Speaker 3: I know it's easy to say we've got Revendra Patel
Speaker 3: and Santna all left armors, but they are. I mean,
Speaker 3: Satna is a flatter generally a flatter bowler in test matches,
Speaker 3: so is Ravendra, whereas Patel tends to get the ball
Speaker 3: up and down a bit more, you know, and then
Speaker 3: brace will. Obviously, we don't have a left arm seemer
Speaker 3: to create footmarks for off spinners, so we need to
Speaker 3: rely on the opposition to do that for us. But
Speaker 3: as a general kind of thing, if the pitch looked
Speaker 3: a bit drier and a bit dusty and cracked, and
Speaker 3: it was more control of line and pitching in places
Speaker 3: where you can get that variable bounce and turn and
Speaker 3: it happens quicker. Would you tend to favor a Santner
Speaker 3: over a Patel?
Speaker 4: Yes, I think with the rider that Sander bowls were
Speaker 4: fuller than he generally does. I think he bowls too short.
Speaker 4: I don't think he brings them forward enough. And you
Speaker 4: have to do it at the pace on a wicket
Speaker 4: like that, And so if you can bowl a full
Speaker 4: fuller length at pace, I'd go with that definitely. But
Speaker 4: the other person, I do like Braceful in that situation too.
Speaker 4: You know, he really does turn the ball. He bolted
Speaker 4: a reasonable well. Clip two gets a bit of bounce
Speaker 4: because he's tall. So I think those two guys in
Speaker 4: those conditions yet as long as sat in the battle
Speaker 4: but fuller, I think that it would work quite well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you'd use Patel in a picture where you
Speaker 3: thought it was flatter and was going to last a
Speaker 3: little bit longer, where flight, you know, up above the
Speaker 3: batsman's eyes and then dropping a little bit more. You
Speaker 3: might go for a few more runs, because that's quite
Speaker 3: hard to control because your length, you know, just even
Speaker 3: though it's coming down more steeply and you beat the
Speaker 3: forward defensive shot, it's you know, you'd use him and
Speaker 3: those conditions a bit more, would you? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think so. He's there's more of the guy who's
Speaker 4: a out and out spin bowler, isn't it. The other
Speaker 4: guys are all round us, Whereas he's used to bowling
Speaker 4: decent spells. He's made to bowl twenty five to thirty
Speaker 4: five overs. And I think if you want someone to
Speaker 4: do that sort of job where you're just wearing away
Speaker 4: at them and bowling good lines and lengths and teasing
Speaker 4: them a bit more, then he's your man. I don't
Speaker 4: really like local Center in those conditions. I think he's
Speaker 4: again he bowls too short and it's too defensive, and
Speaker 4: it works well in one day cricket, but I don't
Speaker 4: think it's really a good option in the test matches.
Speaker 3: Then you come to the other point. How much in
Speaker 3: a team does the fact that Bracewool and Satiner can
Speaker 3: field in a variety of positions closer to the bat,
Speaker 3: perhaps more reliable catches, and might supply more runs than Patel.
Speaker 3: How much does that weigh on who you play?
Speaker 4: I don't think it should. I think that's too defensive
Speaker 4: in terms of trying to get people out. I think
Speaker 4: you should just look at the bowling and think who's
Speaker 4: going to who's most likely in these conditions to get
Speaker 4: the wickets. If you can't get runs with all the
Speaker 4: other players you've got, then one more way probably won't
Speaker 4: make a difference. And I think you just got to
Speaker 4: live with the fact that Betel's not quite as good
Speaker 4: a fielder as those two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's coming to our thinking in the past, hasn't
Speaker 2: it sadly in terms of the selections that they've left
Speaker 2: Patel out. You know, he takes ten wickets and the
Speaker 2: Test innings and the next Test is in and played,
Speaker 2: He's not included when they when they come home for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, the pitchers don't suit or he may not
Speaker 2: be able to bowl in those conditions. But in New
Speaker 2: Zealand conditions, now look at the bowlers who have been
Speaker 2: successful and are likely to be successful. Nathan Lyon. Of
Speaker 2: course he's a quality player, but we've got to prepare
Speaker 2: pitchers and we've got to use our bowlers and get
Speaker 2: the variety of the attack that the ages Patel's can offer.
Speaker 4: Well, Betel's had a great record over in the Subcontinent,
Speaker 4: isn't it. I mean he hasn't get it much of
Speaker 4: an opportunity in New Zealand, as you say, but every
Speaker 4: time it seems like he's a little bit on the arter,
Speaker 4: even though you look back at his record each time
Speaker 4: and he's he's someone who performs. He's performed really well.
Speaker 4: I think he's averaging round about thirty just under thirty
Speaker 4: in Test cricket per wicket and quite trying conditions at times,
Speaker 4: and he always seems to be oh, well, play and
Speaker 4: if we have to, because he's not quite as good
Speaker 4: as Bets but not quite as good a fielder, I
Speaker 4: think you've really just got to look at the bowling
Speaker 4: conditions to decide is he one of your main spin
Speaker 4: balls and if he is playing, and take take the
Speaker 4: lack of runs, and take the lack of wicket fielding
Speaker 4: and just go with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not glad they've got somebody likes to claim
Speaker 2: Mushtak there to work with the spin bowlers. I'm disappointed
Speaker 2: they don't have a seam bowling option in terms of
Speaker 2: the coaching for the likes of Sears and a Rought,
Speaker 2: because this is the you know, the development time for them,
Speaker 2: you know, the likes of Jurgensen who worked with a
Speaker 2: long time now is obviously working with Ben Sears, but
Speaker 2: you know he's opted out of that role and it
Speaker 2: would be a good time to have somebody there to
Speaker 2: mentor these guys too, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: I was just talking to Liam Dunning, who's going to
Speaker 4: the well Out and Firebird, So I played golf for
Speaker 4: them last week CenTra Restricts Players Team Viola and he
Speaker 4: had a session with Shane Jurgenson just a week or
Speaker 4: two ago when he went down and he said it
Speaker 4: was great, he got a lot out of it. So
Speaker 4: there's a guy who's been around, who's thirty and got
Speaker 4: quite a bit out of just one or two sessions
Speaker 4: that he's from somebody who knows what they're doing. So yeah,
Speaker 4: certainly would be helpful for those fillers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know. I was just going to mention
Speaker 3: Nathan Smith. He's in Wellington, doesn't he want so?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Heah, And that will have helped having Jurgensen there for him.
Speaker 2: And he must be in line for a contract now
Speaker 2: that all these guys are opting out. I mean, we
Speaker 2: don't know how many people have signed up for News
Speaker 2: in credit. They've probably signed up the casual contracts to
Speaker 2: go on this tour, but you know, we don't know
Speaker 2: how many contracts are available for some of these players,
Speaker 2: but you know he's he's an all rounder of the
Speaker 2: future to my mind. I don't know how you see it.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen a lot of them. I've seen a
Speaker 4: little bit on on just the coverage on television at times,
Speaker 4: and he looks a good player. But no, I haven't.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen so I can't really comment.
Speaker 2: So after the Subcontinent, I guess you never got to
Speaker 2: bowl on the subcontinent ste but you'll be interested to
Speaker 2: see how these guys go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think most of the time that I've watched
Speaker 4: pricket over there, you've got to push the through the
Speaker 4: ball through it, but it seems to be slowish and
Speaker 4: I think we've got the attack to do okay, certainly
Speaker 4: got a decent batting side, and be interesting to see
Speaker 4: how they structure their quick bowls. I guess it really
Speaker 4: depends on what they see in the wickets in front
Speaker 4: of them. But with Sears and O'Rourke, they've got a
Speaker 4: couple of likely lads. You can come and bowl four
Speaker 4: overs at the time and in cause a bit of
Speaker 4: damage hopefully, and then let the spinners do their job.
Speaker 2: Good stuff. Well, well, thank you for joining us. It'd
Speaker 2: be nice to talk to you again about that that
Speaker 2: tour and how the spin balls were gone a little
Speaker 2: bit later as we go on, you can pack your
Speaker 2: clubs into the car and head off now to the
Speaker 2: to the golf course.
Speaker 4: Up after work once. But it's not too far away
Speaker 4: to range, so yeah, I'll do that. Nice to talk about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that's great, that's great. I thought I was
Speaker 3: I was going to do this from bed it was
Speaker 3: so early, but no, I got up for you.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: Thanks. When I keep and I keep very gentlemanly hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I do these days.
Speaker 4: I don't start work till the earliest, so that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, good on you. Jerry. You can get out
Speaker 2: of bed now you can go back and take you have.
Speaker 3: A couple of you all right, cheers boys, Thanks guys.
Speaker 2: Thanks as all.
Speaker 3: The wad Fuldies summer singing.
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