WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 183: Is it possible to fix the cricket calendar? 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:12.013 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk set B. 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:20.973 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on Iheartradiot. 0:00:21.053 --> 0:00:21.653 Take another pair. 0:00:21.733 --> 0:00:22.653 Now we don't get in. 0:00:23.093 --> 0:00:29.053 It's rick it is out. The test is over. Smoke 0:00:29.373 --> 0:00:32.693 wows a beauty. It is out And here you guys, 0:00:32.773 --> 0:00:35.053 this delivery has in us as BEFO. 0:00:37.413 --> 0:00:40.813 On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 0:00:41.133 --> 0:00:45.053 powered by News Talk sad B at iHeartRadio. 0:00:46.733 --> 0:00:49.413 Hello on the Front Foot this week tries to answer 0:00:49.413 --> 0:00:52.853 a few questions as the ICC lost control of the 0:00:52.933 --> 0:00:55.773 game to boot the money investors. Two wins in the 0:00:55.773 --> 0:01:00.293 financial race game for the corporates. This New Zealand Cricket's 0:01:00.413 --> 0:01:04.133 previous administrators deliver a hospital part for the current leaders 0:01:04.293 --> 0:01:07.573 as they face the contract as you would players seemingly 0:01:07.813 --> 0:01:12.933 now available with no franchise crickets being played. He who 0:01:12.933 --> 0:01:16.133 pays the piper own is Conway worth more than Ravender 0:01:16.453 --> 0:01:20.493 or Allen on the casual contract versus the free market league? 0:01:21.053 --> 0:01:25.573 And where have we heard this before? World Players Union 0:01:26.053 --> 0:01:32.653 wants reform in broken unsustainable cricket calendar. Goodness graces me 0:01:33.373 --> 0:01:36.693 joining us as ever Jeremy Coney and the former Central 0:01:36.693 --> 0:01:39.093 Districts a spin baller, Stue duff because he's going to 0:01:39.133 --> 0:01:41.693 talk to us about left arm spin bowling. Why are 0:01:41.693 --> 0:01:44.173 there so many bloody left arm spin bowlers left in 0:01:44.213 --> 0:01:46.893 the world. They seem to be three of three or 0:01:46.893 --> 0:01:49.413 four on every team. We'll talk about that a little 0:01:49.413 --> 0:01:52.413 bit later on Duffy. But Jerry, the issues that we're 0:01:52.533 --> 0:01:56.333 talking about today, they've been bubbling, bubbling under for some time. 0:01:56.453 --> 0:01:59.973 It's not unexpected, is it that the the World Players 0:02:00.093 --> 0:02:01.613 Union wants a reform. 0:02:01.973 --> 0:02:09.333 No no high wand side hi Stu and yeah, yeah, 0:02:09.413 --> 0:02:13.973 congested schedule. It's a pretty coming cry. You know. It's 0:02:14.013 --> 0:02:16.733 good that the cricket TV companies wont to broadcast the game. 0:02:16.773 --> 0:02:20.013 That's great, but pretty clear we've got close to breaking 0:02:20.093 --> 0:02:23.013 point just the sheer quantity of it, isn't it really? 0:02:23.533 --> 0:02:26.133 And I think also a bit of a concern that 0:02:26.173 --> 0:02:31.253 the quality may not quite be there. It's becoming just 0:02:31.373 --> 0:02:33.293 another game when you turn on the telly, it's like 0:02:33.413 --> 0:02:38.813 warpaper in that wall to wall kind of. It's sometimes 0:02:38.893 --> 0:02:41.573 quite a good reason to make people wait. I think 0:02:41.573 --> 0:02:44.773 can build up a bit of expectation. But somewhere in 0:02:44.813 --> 0:02:46.693 the world there is a game going on and you 0:02:46.853 --> 0:02:50.293 wonder to yourself, what stage is this format at? You 0:02:50.333 --> 0:02:53.413 know what I mean? But there are three formats worldwide 0:02:53.453 --> 0:02:57.253 wides four in England Ic CE tournaments every year, T 0:02:57.253 --> 0:03:02.213 twenty ODIs and Test Championships and a Champion's trophy, and 0:03:02.253 --> 0:03:06.293 then on top you've got the bilaterals and then any 0:03:06.373 --> 0:03:10.653 break there's an endless list of franchise ornaments. So lots 0:03:10.693 --> 0:03:14.573 of upside for the players, lots of money, lots of options, 0:03:15.293 --> 0:03:18.093 money and power. They got it both, haven't they. And 0:03:18.093 --> 0:03:21.653 that comes into the contracts that you were talking about later. 0:03:22.173 --> 0:03:24.253 Ju and I were talking about the quality issue that 0:03:24.293 --> 0:03:27.013 you mentioned as well, and that quality isn't there in 0:03:27.053 --> 0:03:31.213 some of these tournaments now. There's no real contest between 0:03:31.533 --> 0:03:32.613 the best players, is there? 0:03:33.133 --> 0:03:33.453 No. 0:03:34.133 --> 0:03:35.813 I'm a little bit ignorant about it too, because I 0:03:35.893 --> 0:03:38.133 just come by the turning on and watching it. It's 0:03:38.213 --> 0:03:40.733 just another tournament, just another bit of cricket played somewhere. 0:03:40.773 --> 0:03:44.213 So for me, I don't I don't follow it particularly closely, 0:03:44.293 --> 0:03:46.693 and you just give a passing interest that there's a 0:03:46.733 --> 0:03:49.093 game being played somewhere in some country you've never heard 0:03:49.133 --> 0:03:53.373 of cricket being played before, But I guess with Dustin 0:03:53.453 --> 0:03:55.253 Johnson when he wins to the golf, he stead, if 0:03:55.293 --> 0:03:57.813 someone's going to pay you more for doing less than 0:03:57.853 --> 0:04:00.213 you're going to do it. And the cricketers are in 0:04:00.213 --> 0:04:03.213 that boat, aren't they. They don't have to be tied 0:04:03.253 --> 0:04:05.293 to a contract with the country anymore. They can just 0:04:05.333 --> 0:04:07.453 be free agents and wander around the world and pick 0:04:07.493 --> 0:04:10.053 up more money. So you can't really blame them, but 0:04:10.093 --> 0:04:12.933 it's a shame about the impact on the game in total. 0:04:13.653 --> 0:04:17.733 Yeah, Jerry, the issue you know players and Ben Stokes 0:04:17.813 --> 0:04:20.453 was one mentioned says it needs to be reformed. We 0:04:20.493 --> 0:04:22.973 don't know what the game of cricket is going to 0:04:23.013 --> 0:04:25.333 be like in two years. Well, what's it going to 0:04:25.333 --> 0:04:27.573 be like in two weeks? That's one of the questions. 0:04:27.773 --> 0:04:30.213 Do you think they will do anything about it? And 0:04:30.253 --> 0:04:33.653 do you think the ICC really care? They just want 0:04:33.693 --> 0:04:34.133 the money? 0:04:34.453 --> 0:04:39.413 Gee, that's a lot of questions. Was Look, it's certainly 0:04:39.613 --> 0:04:42.333 changing very quickly, isn't it. There's no doubt about that. 0:04:43.413 --> 0:04:46.253 The days I think back to when we were going 0:04:46.253 --> 0:04:48.173 in a van to the airport at the start of 0:04:48.213 --> 0:04:51.013 a tour and the manager and the passenger seat at 0:04:51.013 --> 0:04:53.533 the front turns and sort of hands out a sheet 0:04:53.533 --> 0:04:57.293 of paper and says sign this and that's our contract. 0:04:57.533 --> 0:05:01.453 You know, no central contracts. In those days. We were 0:05:01.493 --> 0:05:05.693 all packed. You know, we nearly had our boarding pass, 0:05:06.533 --> 0:05:09.573 but we just signed and didn't care. I really just 0:05:09.613 --> 0:05:13.493 wanted to play. But you know, now all the players 0:05:13.533 --> 0:05:16.973 are in a position to bargain, and so ever since 0:05:17.973 --> 0:05:22.733 the IPL started they've allowed the market to regulate the game. 0:05:23.013 --> 0:05:27.133 They just have sat back, unfortunately, and the longer formats 0:05:27.893 --> 0:05:32.413 are now not really quite so commercially viable other than England, 0:05:33.973 --> 0:05:38.013 and so really the administrators need to create windows, don't 0:05:38.053 --> 0:05:43.493 they for international play, and then another one for franchise play, 0:05:45.213 --> 0:05:49.253 and then another one for a breathing space. I think 0:05:49.253 --> 0:05:53.693 that's very important. You mentioned Ben Stokes there, so his 0:05:53.813 --> 0:05:56.053 injury and as soon as you got sport, you've got 0:05:56.093 --> 0:05:58.773 a chance of injury. But they've got to bring some 0:05:59.053 --> 0:06:02.053 order to it. My worry is that they're too far 0:06:02.133 --> 0:06:05.093 down the road. We're about ten to twelve years late, 0:06:05.973 --> 0:06:10.653 and you know they've sat back and allowed the market 0:06:10.693 --> 0:06:12.653 to take control and they didn't know what to do 0:06:12.733 --> 0:06:15.333 or how to do it. And so it's not the 0:06:15.453 --> 0:06:18.973 administrators setting the schedule, it's the market and the players. 0:06:19.733 --> 0:06:22.373 Yeah, and that's and that's the game. Sure, isn't the 0:06:24.093 --> 0:06:25.973 time now? Is They just want to keep raking in 0:06:26.053 --> 0:06:29.453 the money from all these games. And it seems to 0:06:29.493 --> 0:06:32.213 me that the Mumbai Indians are going to make all 0:06:32.253 --> 0:06:34.733 the money. Some of the players will get a good 0:06:35.413 --> 0:06:37.693 deal of cash as they do in terms of the contracts, 0:06:37.693 --> 0:06:41.493 but you know, not everybody's going to benefit from all 0:06:41.653 --> 0:06:44.253 this money that's going around. It's going to go into 0:06:44.293 --> 0:06:46.693 the pockets of the big money people. That's the way 0:06:46.733 --> 0:06:47.253 I see it. 0:06:47.853 --> 0:06:49.973 Yeah, it's just filtered through all the way down. I 0:06:50.013 --> 0:06:53.093 think we're talking about it off here before. And Doug 0:06:53.133 --> 0:06:56.813 Bracewells turned down in a Central Districts contract because he 0:06:56.893 --> 0:06:59.933 can make more money just dipping in and out and 0:06:59.973 --> 0:07:03.253 playing for Central and then going over and playing for 0:07:03.573 --> 0:07:05.893 in the Southern African League. And once it's happening at 0:07:05.893 --> 0:07:10.053 domestic level, it's filtered all the way down. And New 0:07:10.173 --> 0:07:12.893 Zealand are in a really parless situation, much more so 0:07:12.933 --> 0:07:15.053 than anyone else because they can't afford to pay enough. 0:07:15.733 --> 0:07:18.773 And you get your best player, came Williamson moving on 0:07:18.973 --> 0:07:21.013 and admittedly he's going to play a lot of cricket 0:07:21.053 --> 0:07:24.053 for New Zealand, you'd hope. But he's choosing not to 0:07:24.053 --> 0:07:26.973 take the biggest contract there is. So if it's left 0:07:27.013 --> 0:07:28.693 that's not enough, then where do you say? 0:07:29.453 --> 0:07:32.573 Did you play in the era of the contracts here 0:07:32.613 --> 0:07:35.373 when they went through that bargaining process and it was 0:07:35.453 --> 0:07:37.933 quite ugly for a while, wasn't it in terms of 0:07:38.333 --> 0:07:39.653 domestic players? 0:07:40.053 --> 0:07:40.813 No, I didn't. 0:07:40.613 --> 0:07:42.733 I played in the area where we got forty bucks 0:07:42.773 --> 0:07:43.293 a day. 0:07:44.053 --> 0:07:46.173 But you paid you even you were lucky. 0:07:49.173 --> 0:07:54.213 Yeah, I had to pay meil and laundry out of that, 0:07:54.333 --> 0:07:57.093 so obviously you know you were rolling. 0:07:56.853 --> 0:08:02.693 In it, of course. Yeah. I worry now Jerry, and 0:08:02.733 --> 0:08:06.213 you know Devon Conway, we don't know that. There was 0:08:06.413 --> 0:08:08.813 talk of something like three million dollars was on the 0:08:08.893 --> 0:08:11.813 table and you know he's going to take He's going 0:08:11.853 --> 0:08:15.013 to take a big money payout, as are all the players. 0:08:15.813 --> 0:08:18.973 I just worry about the development of the game now 0:08:18.973 --> 0:08:21.893 he's thirty three. But the other people, the likes of 0:08:22.013 --> 0:08:26.293 Ruts and Ravendra, his value on the open market, well, 0:08:26.293 --> 0:08:29.013 it's just eyewatering to think what they would want to 0:08:29.053 --> 0:08:32.773 pay Ruts and Ravender. And I understand he's already getting 0:08:33.533 --> 0:08:35.733 plenty of offers and that's no surprise, is it. 0:08:36.773 --> 0:08:38.613 Well, a lot of our players, it seems to me 0:08:38.773 --> 0:08:42.413 we're dividing into sort of two or three three different groups, 0:08:42.413 --> 0:08:47.933 aren't we. You've got the Nichems, Bolt, Ferguson, Milne, Colin 0:08:48.013 --> 0:08:50.453 Munroe has been doing it for a while and Siphered 0:08:50.573 --> 0:08:53.573 is a certain extent is there as well for Allen 0:08:53.813 --> 0:08:57.533 and they are kind of their own people. They are 0:08:57.613 --> 0:09:02.453 responsible for themselves. No central money coming to the to 0:09:02.693 --> 0:09:07.693 them from New Zealand Cricket and nothing for if they 0:09:07.813 --> 0:09:10.213 break a leat or something like that. They'll have to 0:09:10.253 --> 0:09:15.093 have their own medical arrangements. Nothing for Hammes, and I'm 0:09:15.133 --> 0:09:19.213 thinking they're of Ferguson and Merlin. That goes down then 0:09:19.213 --> 0:09:22.053 I'm afraid you find your own physio, you know, that's 0:09:22.333 --> 0:09:25.333 part of the deal if you choose that way. And 0:09:25.333 --> 0:09:28.693 then you've got this new thing called casual contracts. Williamson 0:09:29.293 --> 0:09:33.573 one hundred tests. The interesting one you mentioned was Conway 0:09:34.493 --> 0:09:38.333 twenty tests. It's not that many. It's not that many. 0:09:38.373 --> 0:09:41.053 He is thirty three, which is your point, and its 0:09:41.413 --> 0:09:44.413 marriage and its family and so on, you know, in 0:09:44.573 --> 0:09:48.333 the extra car in a slightly larger house, but I 0:09:48.373 --> 0:09:51.333 can see next year. I don't know what you guys think. 0:09:51.573 --> 0:09:56.573 Mitchell Phillips, Santner. You mentioned Ravendra, Well he'll be in line. 0:09:56.733 --> 0:10:02.133 He's only twenty four, but he may because he's that stage, 0:10:02.213 --> 0:10:06.013 he may want to play a few more tests, Mark Chapman, 0:10:06.093 --> 0:10:09.373 or perhaps join the Niche and Bolt Finalen kind of 0:10:09.413 --> 0:10:15.493 way more. But that's twelve players. Wads I worry for 0:10:15.653 --> 0:10:18.973 me the up and coming players. And Stu's mentioned it 0:10:19.093 --> 0:10:25.013 about first class sitting beside and alongside and a setting 0:10:25.013 --> 0:10:28.853 of a changing room of Bruce Taylor, Richard Collins, Bevan Congden, 0:10:29.493 --> 0:10:34.053 Bruce Murray, all that experience and knowledge will now be 0:10:34.253 --> 0:10:37.413 absent from a dressing room and the way that it 0:10:37.533 --> 0:10:40.173 forms and it shapes you as a player. The other 0:10:40.293 --> 0:10:42.773 point I would make is about pity for the n 0:10:42.933 --> 0:10:46.573 z S and Stu's mentioned that as well. There's not 0:10:46.733 --> 0:10:49.773 much they can do, but they've seen these players go 0:10:49.853 --> 0:10:55.893 through club cricket, underage seventeen and nineteens, provincial cricket, n 0:10:56.013 --> 0:11:01.373 ZEDA teams, development teams. They've paid for traveling overseas and 0:11:01.413 --> 0:11:04.853 for New Zealand for first class affairs. They played airfares 0:11:04.853 --> 0:11:10.373 around New Zealand accommodation. All the pitchers and indoor nets 0:11:10.373 --> 0:11:13.253 and those things are prepared, all the insurance if they 0:11:13.293 --> 0:11:17.253 get injured. Coaching staff. You know, there is a cost 0:11:17.973 --> 0:11:21.333 in preparing a player to be the best they can be. 0:11:22.213 --> 0:11:24.773 Yeah, and some of those players have developed new mentions 0:11:24.813 --> 0:11:29.013 to the central districts of Doug Bracel and Tom Bruce. 0:11:29.053 --> 0:11:32.653 I mean, you know their days internationally are gone. They're 0:11:32.653 --> 0:11:36.253 going to take the extra money they can make by 0:11:36.293 --> 0:11:39.533 going to the franchises or doing that little bit extra 0:11:39.653 --> 0:11:42.413 to finish off their career. I mean a Tom Bruce, 0:11:42.453 --> 0:11:44.773 I think they had a job anyway, didn't he But 0:11:44.933 --> 0:11:45.973 you know that's what they're going to do. 0:11:47.173 --> 0:11:50.453 Yeah, Blead techns another who will be in that boat 0:11:50.613 --> 0:11:58.053 for sure. And as Jeremy said, it really filters down badly. 0:11:58.093 --> 0:12:00.733 And club cricket's been going through that for maybe twenty years, 0:12:01.213 --> 0:12:02.933 but now it's going to start happening in the first 0:12:02.933 --> 0:12:05.013 class group arena where you don't get to play with 0:12:05.053 --> 0:12:07.493 those guys that you know, I played with the International 0:12:07.493 --> 0:12:11.693 cricketers cricket level, that just doesn't happen anymore. And if 0:12:11.693 --> 0:12:13.933 that's the case at first class leave where you've got 0:12:13.973 --> 0:12:14.733 a real problem. 0:12:15.093 --> 0:12:17.173 Yeah, well I had that advantage too and club and 0:12:17.293 --> 0:12:19.133 not not that it made me any better as a cricketer, 0:12:19.373 --> 0:12:21.693 but I shared a dressing room with the players that 0:12:22.373 --> 0:12:26.973 Jerry was talking about, Bags, Murray, T. G. McMahon. You know, 0:12:27.733 --> 0:12:30.733 Bruce Taylor was the captain of the side, John Morrison, 0:12:30.893 --> 0:12:33.573 you know, the name goes on. I'd love to have 0:12:33.613 --> 0:12:36.533 been able to have some of their skill rub off, 0:12:36.533 --> 0:12:38.853 but just the experience they brought to you. You know, 0:12:39.053 --> 0:12:41.333 when you sat down after you played a bad shot 0:12:41.693 --> 0:12:44.813 and Bruce Taylor would come and and you know he'd 0:12:44.813 --> 0:12:47.133 give you a real air full. Bags would sit beside 0:12:47.133 --> 0:12:49.973 you and say, well, bad luck. You know you probably 0:12:50.013 --> 0:12:51.813 could have played that one a little bit better. And 0:12:51.853 --> 0:12:54.173 you know, all those sorts of things will be missing, 0:12:54.173 --> 0:12:55.973 and we're going to end up, as I said previously, 0:12:56.293 --> 0:12:59.573 with a whole lot of bloody baseball players, you know, 0:13:00.853 --> 0:13:04.653 batting seven balls for fifteen or bowling five balls and 0:13:04.693 --> 0:13:05.453 calling it an over. 0:13:06.253 --> 0:13:09.973 Yeah. Well look, I just think why would you as 0:13:10.013 --> 0:13:14.573 a board want to have a situation where you've probably 0:13:14.613 --> 0:13:18.813 got a lot of younger players perennially young New Zealand side, 0:13:18.933 --> 0:13:22.893 Because every decent player who has a couple of good years, 0:13:22.933 --> 0:13:27.293 say at International Crickets, is snatched away or lured or whatever, 0:13:27.493 --> 0:13:30.773 willingly led away, it'll be the end of our conservative 0:13:30.813 --> 0:13:36.693 selection policies. But you know the you know, why would 0:13:36.693 --> 0:13:42.493 you want to spend their money preparing local players for 0:13:42.733 --> 0:13:46.773 a labor force of some overseas cement baron? 0:13:47.533 --> 0:13:47.773 You know. 0:13:49.693 --> 0:13:52.213 And even if you're an older first class player who 0:13:52.213 --> 0:13:54.973 get in the New Zealand side, you're even more vulnerable 0:13:54.973 --> 0:13:57.653 because you're married and as I say, you want other things. 0:13:58.133 --> 0:14:02.173 Even our coaches we've lost the Torrian Fleming and McCallum. 0:14:02.613 --> 0:14:05.893 They're gone and you know they are taken by the 0:14:06.253 --> 0:14:08.973 franchise set up as well. But the next question is 0:14:09.013 --> 0:14:12.133 what can New Zealand Cricket do. If I was a 0:14:12.133 --> 0:14:15.373 player coming to New Zealand to play for New Zealand 0:14:15.413 --> 0:14:20.293 for the first time, could New Zealand Cricket offer me 0:14:20.613 --> 0:14:24.533 a contract because I've played well at the first class 0:14:24.653 --> 0:14:27.733 level and you know I'm coming up and I'm the 0:14:27.773 --> 0:14:31.613 real deal. And if they offer me a contract, could 0:14:31.613 --> 0:14:34.133 they make it for three or four or five years 0:14:35.373 --> 0:14:39.173 and say, look, this is a multiple contract. We'll pay 0:14:39.213 --> 0:14:42.133 you for this time, but you play for New Zealand 0:14:42.173 --> 0:14:46.373 and these other conditions, and the player then makes his choice, 0:14:47.373 --> 0:14:50.573 and they know that I would know that I need 0:14:50.613 --> 0:14:56.213 international performance to be recognized by the franchise setup, and 0:14:56.853 --> 0:14:59.573 the contract should have to be constructed carefully. And it 0:14:59.653 --> 0:15:02.093 might mean if I break it in two and a 0:15:02.133 --> 0:15:05.133 half years, I have to pay some money back to 0:15:05.173 --> 0:15:09.453 the board because I've broken the contract. But surely the 0:15:09.493 --> 0:15:12.773 board has to hug a bit of cash back from 0:15:12.813 --> 0:15:15.893 some of these guys. Guys, we are going to have 0:15:16.013 --> 0:15:21.453 millionaires short format players living in New Zealand still playing, 0:15:22.013 --> 0:15:23.213 but not for New Zealand. 0:15:23.453 --> 0:15:25.333 Yeah, but if you have for five, say a five 0:15:25.453 --> 0:15:29.413 year contracts you run out of form in eighteen months time, 0:15:30.493 --> 0:15:32.533 do you keep that contract going? I mean, what about 0:15:32.653 --> 0:15:36.133 the old days? And I know this is really old 0:15:36.213 --> 0:15:38.853 day stuff where you're played by the you were paid 0:15:38.893 --> 0:15:42.253 by the games you played, the wickets you took or 0:15:42.293 --> 0:15:44.893 the runs you scored. You know, that was the old 0:15:44.933 --> 0:15:48.093 contracting system, wasn't it. You wouldn't be able to make 0:15:48.133 --> 0:15:49.253 that work these days, would you. 0:15:49.253 --> 0:15:52.253 It's a really complicated situation, doesn't it. 0:15:52.653 --> 0:15:52.853 Really. 0:15:52.973 --> 0:15:55.213 It's a really difficult one. I see where Jerry's coming from. 0:15:55.853 --> 0:15:59.413 But then you take. You need to be pretty nostrodamus 0:15:59.933 --> 0:16:01.373 like to work out who's going to be the good 0:16:01.373 --> 0:16:05.293 players down the trail and decide that you're going to 0:16:05.293 --> 0:16:09.693 stick with those guys. And it's a really terrible situation, 0:16:09.773 --> 0:16:12.413 he said on Cricketer Found Themselves and they're just allowing 0:16:12.453 --> 0:16:17.373 people to walk out without any recompense. You know, last 0:16:18.093 --> 0:16:19.853 go back to last year when all of a sudden, 0:16:19.973 --> 0:16:24.373 Tom Bruce and Doggie brace Well went with the Central 0:16:24.373 --> 0:16:26.533 Districts team when they'd been contract for the season. But 0:16:26.573 --> 0:16:29.533 there's no loss of income apart from the matches they missed. 0:16:29.533 --> 0:16:33.493 They've still got their contracts and where's the enforcement of 0:16:33.533 --> 0:16:35.773 a contract. They're just taking the easy way out because 0:16:35.773 --> 0:16:36.573 it's too difficult. 0:16:37.813 --> 0:16:39.853 Well, who was the bowler who walked out after he 0:16:39.933 --> 0:16:41.773 bowled his overs in the middle of a game during 0:16:41.813 --> 0:16:43.613 one of the internationals, wasn't it He got. 0:16:44.093 --> 0:16:48.413 Muhammed AHMYA yeah, yeah, Muhammad Amya was over in England 0:16:48.493 --> 0:16:51.453 and they are playing one hundred competition there and he 0:16:51.533 --> 0:16:56.173 got drafted into one of those franchises. He only was 0:16:56.333 --> 0:16:59.093 there for one game. Well, he left after thirty minutes. 0:16:59.693 --> 0:17:02.893 He bowled his overs the first couple of overs left 0:17:02.933 --> 0:17:06.653 after thirty minutes, had his suitcase at the ground and 0:17:06.733 --> 0:17:09.333 just headed off to the airport to go over to 0:17:09.413 --> 0:17:15.173 America to play in a franchise competition there. Extraordinary, what's happening. 0:17:18.413 --> 0:17:21.773 I wasn't suggesting, by the way, Stu, that everybody would 0:17:21.853 --> 0:17:26.173 have that four year contract. If it's an Avendra or 0:17:26.253 --> 0:17:30.213 a Martin Crow or someone like that Dora Hadley, who's 0:17:30.293 --> 0:17:36.013 obviously someone special, you want to get them early before 0:17:36.053 --> 0:17:39.173 they've played, you know, really come into the thing and 0:17:39.333 --> 0:17:42.773 suddenly the franchises want them from all over the world. Sure, 0:17:42.813 --> 0:17:45.173 and the other guys you might, yeah, the other guys, 0:17:45.213 --> 0:17:47.053 you might make it one and a half two years 0:17:47.293 --> 0:17:47.893 sort of thing. 0:17:48.573 --> 0:17:50.493 But like a football model, wasn't it that they give 0:17:50.573 --> 0:17:53.613 you and they you know, they get them to the 0:17:53.653 --> 0:17:57.693 Manchester United when they're fifteen or fourteen and tie them 0:17:57.693 --> 0:17:59.213 in for a decent period of time. 0:17:59.333 --> 0:18:01.853 Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't want to be an administrator 0:18:01.893 --> 0:18:04.053 trying to sort it out in New Zealand because New 0:18:04.173 --> 0:18:06.973 Zealand just doesn't have the money. They have to rely 0:18:07.093 --> 0:18:10.093 on money that comes from ICC, from television and from 0:18:10.133 --> 0:18:13.733 other forms of advertising and stuff. But you know that 0:18:13.853 --> 0:18:16.573 money has never really been in the game in New 0:18:16.693 --> 0:18:20.013 Zealand hasidant. So you know, you talk about your forty 0:18:20.053 --> 0:18:23.333 dollars a day or forty dollars a game, forty dollars 0:18:23.413 --> 0:18:28.013 a week, depending on how it was spread out, that 0:18:28.013 --> 0:18:30.173 that was the way it was. And it's going to 0:18:30.213 --> 0:18:33.453 be tough for them to negotiate because the players have 0:18:33.533 --> 0:18:35.013 got all the power now, haven't they. 0:18:35.653 --> 0:18:39.973 Yeah, massive amounts and that can get paid in so 0:18:40.093 --> 0:18:42.373 many places around the world that they don't really need 0:18:42.413 --> 0:18:47.133 New Zealand except as their base, and unfortunately we've got 0:18:47.653 --> 0:18:48.733 I don't know how they solve it. 0:18:49.373 --> 0:18:53.773 No interesting challenge for the administrators. I'm sure we will 0:18:53.773 --> 0:18:56.813 hear a lot more on this because the issue of 0:18:56.853 --> 0:19:01.293 whether they're going to have an investigation and was an 0:19:01.413 --> 0:19:06.853 unsustainable cricket calendar remains up in the air, I suppose, 0:19:06.853 --> 0:19:09.173 and we will hear about that in due course. 0:19:09.613 --> 0:19:13.653 Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 0:19:13.733 --> 0:19:19.733 The black Caps off to the subcontinent. Student is the 0:19:19.773 --> 0:19:24.573 white ball game? Has it been the salvation for spin bowling? 0:19:24.613 --> 0:19:28.573 We've got truckloads of them going. There's five options open 0:19:28.693 --> 0:19:32.813 to Captain Tim Soudy. He's not going to use them all. 0:19:33.253 --> 0:19:39.653 He's got Seclaim Mushtak there to help those spin bowlers 0:19:39.693 --> 0:19:43.213 through the difficulties of bowling over there. How would you 0:19:43.333 --> 0:19:47.773 go about picking aside and which spinners would you opt for? 0:19:48.813 --> 0:19:51.013 Well, I think I was thinking about this before and 0:19:51.373 --> 0:19:56.213 before we started, and I think the fortunate situation for 0:19:56.293 --> 0:19:59.493 the teams that they've got Ravendra and Phillips who will 0:19:59.493 --> 0:20:02.693 probably play as batsman. So they've got two ballers there 0:20:02.693 --> 0:20:06.133 for a start who can hit part timers admittedly, but 0:20:06.373 --> 0:20:09.293 they're reasonable part timers. And then you can decide of 0:20:09.333 --> 0:20:11.893 the other three who's boiling the best and however many 0:20:11.933 --> 0:20:14.613 you want out of those guys, one or two depending 0:20:14.613 --> 0:20:18.893 on the pitch conditions, out of Patel, sand and Braceful, 0:20:19.733 --> 0:20:21.693 I think you'll to feed them in on who's bowling 0:20:21.693 --> 0:20:23.653 the best, as long as those other two are doing 0:20:23.813 --> 0:20:26.453 a reasonable job as well, because they'll play anyway. So 0:20:26.533 --> 0:20:28.773 I think that's probably how they'll look to do it. 0:20:28.813 --> 0:20:30.493 You can have too many spin bowlers in a team 0:20:30.773 --> 0:20:33.213 you don't want to be. It's really hard if you 0:20:33.333 --> 0:20:35.413 just feel like, oh, well there's eight overs, you need 0:20:35.453 --> 0:20:39.013 a decent spell. And so I think there's a can 0:20:39.053 --> 0:20:41.653 be a problem of having too many in a team 0:20:41.653 --> 0:20:44.653 and the people not doing the job. You often get 0:20:44.653 --> 0:20:47.053 better and better when when you're boiling a spell into 0:20:47.093 --> 0:20:50.653 your twentieth to twenty five to thirty overs and things 0:20:50.653 --> 0:20:53.093 start to happen there rather than bowling eight. Oh you 0:20:53.093 --> 0:20:56.213 haven't got a wicket off you go. Yeah, that's an 0:20:56.213 --> 0:20:58.853 interesting situation. I think who's boiling the best out of 0:20:58.853 --> 0:21:00.933 those three will end up playing you. 0:21:01.133 --> 0:21:04.053 They're different bowlers, aren't they really? When you look at them. 0:21:04.133 --> 0:21:08.133 I know it's easy to say we've got Revendra Patel 0:21:08.173 --> 0:21:11.573 and Santna all left armors, but they are. I mean, 0:21:11.653 --> 0:21:15.853 Satna is a flatter generally a flatter bowler in test matches, 0:21:17.733 --> 0:21:22.293 so is Ravendra, whereas Patel tends to get the ball 0:21:22.373 --> 0:21:25.533 up and down a bit more, you know, and then 0:21:25.653 --> 0:21:29.293 brace will. Obviously, we don't have a left arm seemer 0:21:29.893 --> 0:21:33.693 to create footmarks for off spinners, so we need to 0:21:33.693 --> 0:21:37.493 rely on the opposition to do that for us. But 0:21:38.333 --> 0:21:41.493 as a general kind of thing, if the pitch looked 0:21:41.493 --> 0:21:46.013 a bit drier and a bit dusty and cracked, and 0:21:46.173 --> 0:21:50.173 it was more control of line and pitching in places 0:21:50.213 --> 0:21:53.333 where you can get that variable bounce and turn and 0:21:53.373 --> 0:21:58.693 it happens quicker. Would you tend to favor a Santner 0:21:58.733 --> 0:21:59.573 over a Patel? 0:22:00.693 --> 0:22:04.853 Yes, I think with the rider that Sander bowls were 0:22:04.933 --> 0:22:07.933 fuller than he generally does. I think he bowls too short. 0:22:08.573 --> 0:22:11.693 I don't think he brings them forward enough. And you 0:22:11.773 --> 0:22:13.813 have to do it at the pace on a wicket 0:22:13.853 --> 0:22:15.533 like that, And so if you can bowl a full 0:22:15.853 --> 0:22:20.013 fuller length at pace, I'd go with that definitely. But 0:22:20.533 --> 0:22:23.373 the other person, I do like Braceful in that situation too. 0:22:23.413 --> 0:22:25.813 You know, he really does turn the ball. He bolted 0:22:26.413 --> 0:22:29.413 a reasonable well. Clip two gets a bit of bounce 0:22:29.453 --> 0:22:31.853 because he's tall. So I think those two guys in 0:22:31.853 --> 0:22:35.293 those conditions yet as long as sat in the battle 0:22:35.293 --> 0:22:38.013 but fuller, I think that it would work quite well. 0:22:38.053 --> 0:22:40.813 Yeah, but you'd use Patel in a picture where you 0:22:41.013 --> 0:22:44.253 thought it was flatter and was going to last a 0:22:44.253 --> 0:22:49.013 little bit longer, where flight, you know, up above the 0:22:49.053 --> 0:22:52.093 batsman's eyes and then dropping a little bit more. You 0:22:52.213 --> 0:22:54.373 might go for a few more runs, because that's quite 0:22:54.413 --> 0:22:58.493 hard to control because your length, you know, just even 0:22:58.533 --> 0:23:01.133 though it's coming down more steeply and you beat the 0:23:01.133 --> 0:23:04.653