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It is out And here you guys, 7 00:00:32,773 --> 00:00:35,053 Speaker 2: this delivery has in us as BEFO. 8 00:00:37,413 --> 00:00:40,813 Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 9 00:00:41,133 --> 00:00:45,053 Speaker 1: powered by News Talk sad B at iHeartRadio. 10 00:00:46,733 --> 00:00:49,413 Speaker 2: Hello on the Front Foot this week tries to answer 11 00:00:49,413 --> 00:00:52,853 Speaker 2: a few questions as the ICC lost control of the 12 00:00:52,933 --> 00:00:55,773 Speaker 2: game to boot the money investors. Two wins in the 13 00:00:55,773 --> 00:01:00,293 Speaker 2: financial race game for the corporates. This New Zealand Cricket's 14 00:01:00,413 --> 00:01:04,133 Speaker 2: previous administrators deliver a hospital part for the current leaders 15 00:01:04,293 --> 00:01:07,573 Speaker 2: as they face the contract as you would players seemingly 16 00:01:07,813 --> 00:01:12,933 Speaker 2: now available with no franchise crickets being played. He who 17 00:01:12,933 --> 00:01:16,133 Speaker 2: pays the piper own is Conway worth more than Ravender 18 00:01:16,453 --> 00:01:20,493 Speaker 2: or Allen on the casual contract versus the free market league? 19 00:01:21,053 --> 00:01:25,573 Speaker 2: And where have we heard this before? World Players Union 20 00:01:26,053 --> 00:01:32,653 Speaker 2: wants reform in broken unsustainable cricket calendar. Goodness graces me 21 00:01:33,373 --> 00:01:36,693 Speaker 2: joining us as ever Jeremy Coney and the former Central 22 00:01:36,693 --> 00:01:39,093 Speaker 2: Districts a spin baller, Stue duff because he's going to 23 00:01:39,133 --> 00:01:41,693 Speaker 2: talk to us about left arm spin bowling. Why are 24 00:01:41,693 --> 00:01:44,173 Speaker 2: there so many bloody left arm spin bowlers left in 25 00:01:44,213 --> 00:01:46,893 Speaker 2: the world. They seem to be three of three or 26 00:01:46,893 --> 00:01:49,413 Speaker 2: four on every team. We'll talk about that a little 27 00:01:49,413 --> 00:01:52,413 Speaker 2: bit later on Duffy. But Jerry, the issues that we're 28 00:01:52,533 --> 00:01:56,333 Speaker 2: talking about today, they've been bubbling, bubbling under for some time. 29 00:01:56,453 --> 00:01:59,973 Speaker 2: It's not unexpected, is it that the the World Players 30 00:02:00,093 --> 00:02:01,613 Speaker 2: Union wants a reform. 31 00:02:01,973 --> 00:02:09,333 Speaker 3: No no high wand side hi Stu and yeah, yeah, 32 00:02:09,413 --> 00:02:13,973 Speaker 3: congested schedule. It's a pretty coming cry. You know. It's 33 00:02:14,013 --> 00:02:16,733 Speaker 3: good that the cricket TV companies wont to broadcast the game. 34 00:02:16,773 --> 00:02:20,013 Speaker 3: That's great, but pretty clear we've got close to breaking 35 00:02:20,093 --> 00:02:23,013 Speaker 3: point just the sheer quantity of it, isn't it really? 36 00:02:23,533 --> 00:02:26,133 Speaker 3: And I think also a bit of a concern that 37 00:02:26,173 --> 00:02:31,253 Speaker 3: the quality may not quite be there. It's becoming just 38 00:02:31,373 --> 00:02:33,293 Speaker 3: another game when you turn on the telly, it's like 39 00:02:33,413 --> 00:02:38,813 Speaker 3: warpaper in that wall to wall kind of. It's sometimes 40 00:02:38,893 --> 00:02:41,573 Speaker 3: quite a good reason to make people wait. I think 41 00:02:41,573 --> 00:02:44,773 Speaker 3: can build up a bit of expectation. But somewhere in 42 00:02:44,813 --> 00:02:46,693 Speaker 3: the world there is a game going on and you 43 00:02:46,853 --> 00:02:50,293 Speaker 3: wonder to yourself, what stage is this format at? You 44 00:02:50,333 --> 00:02:53,413 Speaker 3: know what I mean? But there are three formats worldwide 45 00:02:53,453 --> 00:02:57,253 Speaker 3: wides four in England Ic CE tournaments every year, T 46 00:02:57,253 --> 00:03:02,213 Speaker 3: twenty ODIs and Test Championships and a Champion's trophy, and 47 00:03:02,253 --> 00:03:06,293 Speaker 3: then on top you've got the bilaterals and then any 48 00:03:06,373 --> 00:03:10,653 Speaker 3: break there's an endless list of franchise ornaments. So lots 49 00:03:10,693 --> 00:03:14,573 Speaker 3: of upside for the players, lots of money, lots of options, 50 00:03:15,293 --> 00:03:18,093 Speaker 3: money and power. They got it both, haven't they. And 51 00:03:18,093 --> 00:03:21,653 Speaker 3: that comes into the contracts that you were talking about later. 52 00:03:22,173 --> 00:03:24,253 Speaker 2: Ju and I were talking about the quality issue that 53 00:03:24,293 --> 00:03:27,013 Speaker 2: you mentioned as well, and that quality isn't there in 54 00:03:27,053 --> 00:03:31,213 Speaker 2: some of these tournaments now. There's no real contest between 55 00:03:31,533 --> 00:03:32,613 Speaker 2: the best players, is there? 56 00:03:33,133 --> 00:03:33,453 Speaker 3: No. 57 00:03:34,133 --> 00:03:35,813 Speaker 4: I'm a little bit ignorant about it too, because I 58 00:03:35,893 --> 00:03:38,133 Speaker 4: just come by the turning on and watching it. It's 59 00:03:38,213 --> 00:03:40,733 Speaker 4: just another tournament, just another bit of cricket played somewhere. 60 00:03:40,773 --> 00:03:44,213 Speaker 4: So for me, I don't I don't follow it particularly closely, 61 00:03:44,293 --> 00:03:46,693 Speaker 4: and you just give a passing interest that there's a 62 00:03:46,733 --> 00:03:49,093 Speaker 4: game being played somewhere in some country you've never heard 63 00:03:49,133 --> 00:03:53,373 Speaker 4: of cricket being played before, But I guess with Dustin 64 00:03:53,453 --> 00:03:55,253 Speaker 4: Johnson when he wins to the golf, he stead, if 65 00:03:55,293 --> 00:03:57,813 Speaker 4: someone's going to pay you more for doing less than 66 00:03:57,853 --> 00:04:00,213 Speaker 4: you're going to do it. And the cricketers are in 67 00:04:00,213 --> 00:04:03,213 Speaker 4: that boat, aren't they. They don't have to be tied 68 00:04:03,253 --> 00:04:05,293 Speaker 4: to a contract with the country anymore. They can just 69 00:04:05,333 --> 00:04:07,453 Speaker 4: be free agents and wander around the world and pick 70 00:04:07,493 --> 00:04:10,053 Speaker 4: up more money. So you can't really blame them, but 71 00:04:10,093 --> 00:04:12,933 Speaker 4: it's a shame about the impact on the game in total. 72 00:04:13,653 --> 00:04:17,733 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jerry, the issue you know players and Ben Stokes 73 00:04:17,813 --> 00:04:20,453 Speaker 2: was one mentioned says it needs to be reformed. We 74 00:04:20,493 --> 00:04:22,973 Speaker 2: don't know what the game of cricket is going to 75 00:04:23,013 --> 00:04:25,333 Speaker 2: be like in two years. Well, what's it going to 76 00:04:25,333 --> 00:04:27,573 Speaker 2: be like in two weeks? That's one of the questions. 77 00:04:27,773 --> 00:04:30,213 Speaker 2: Do you think they will do anything about it? And 78 00:04:30,253 --> 00:04:33,653 Speaker 2: do you think the ICC really care? They just want 79 00:04:33,693 --> 00:04:34,133 Speaker 2: the money? 80 00:04:34,453 --> 00:04:39,413 Speaker 3: Gee, that's a lot of questions. Was Look, it's certainly 81 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:42,333 Speaker 3: changing very quickly, isn't it. There's no doubt about that. 82 00:04:43,413 --> 00:04:46,253 Speaker 3: The days I think back to when we were going 83 00:04:46,253 --> 00:04:48,173 Speaker 3: in a van to the airport at the start of 84 00:04:48,213 --> 00:04:51,013 Speaker 3: a tour and the manager and the passenger seat at 85 00:04:51,013 --> 00:04:53,533 Speaker 3: the front turns and sort of hands out a sheet 86 00:04:53,533 --> 00:04:57,293 Speaker 3: of paper and says sign this and that's our contract. 87 00:04:57,533 --> 00:05:01,453 Speaker 3: You know, no central contracts. In those days. We were 88 00:05:01,493 --> 00:05:05,693 Speaker 3: all packed. You know, we nearly had our boarding pass, 89 00:05:06,533 --> 00:05:09,573 Speaker 3: but we just signed and didn't care. I really just 90 00:05:09,613 --> 00:05:13,493 Speaker 3: wanted to play. But you know, now all the players 91 00:05:13,533 --> 00:05:16,973 Speaker 3: are in a position to bargain, and so ever since 92 00:05:17,973 --> 00:05:22,733 Speaker 3: the IPL started they've allowed the market to regulate the game. 93 00:05:23,013 --> 00:05:27,133 Speaker 3: They just have sat back, unfortunately, and the longer formats 94 00:05:27,893 --> 00:05:32,413 Speaker 3: are now not really quite so commercially viable other than England, 95 00:05:33,973 --> 00:05:38,013 Speaker 3: and so really the administrators need to create windows, don't 96 00:05:38,053 --> 00:05:43,493 Speaker 3: they for international play, and then another one for franchise play, 97 00:05:45,213 --> 00:05:49,253 Speaker 3: and then another one for a breathing space. I think 98 00:05:49,253 --> 00:05:53,693 Speaker 3: that's very important. You mentioned Ben Stokes there, so his 99 00:05:53,813 --> 00:05:56,053 Speaker 3: injury and as soon as you got sport, you've got 100 00:05:56,093 --> 00:05:58,773 Speaker 3: a chance of injury. But they've got to bring some 101 00:05:59,053 --> 00:06:02,053 Speaker 3: order to it. My worry is that they're too far 102 00:06:02,133 --> 00:06:05,093 Speaker 3: down the road. We're about ten to twelve years late, 103 00:06:05,973 --> 00:06:10,653 Speaker 3: and you know they've sat back and allowed the market 104 00:06:10,693 --> 00:06:12,653 Speaker 3: to take control and they didn't know what to do 105 00:06:12,733 --> 00:06:15,333 Speaker 3: or how to do it. And so it's not the 106 00:06:15,453 --> 00:06:18,973 Speaker 3: administrators setting the schedule, it's the market and the players. 107 00:06:19,733 --> 00:06:22,373 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's and that's the game. Sure, isn't the 108 00:06:24,093 --> 00:06:25,973 Speaker 2: time now? Is They just want to keep raking in 109 00:06:26,053 --> 00:06:29,453 Speaker 2: the money from all these games. And it seems to 110 00:06:29,493 --> 00:06:32,213 Speaker 2: me that the Mumbai Indians are going to make all 111 00:06:32,253 --> 00:06:34,733 Speaker 2: the money. Some of the players will get a good 112 00:06:35,413 --> 00:06:37,693 Speaker 2: deal of cash as they do in terms of the contracts, 113 00:06:37,693 --> 00:06:41,493 Speaker 2: but you know, not everybody's going to benefit from all 114 00:06:41,653 --> 00:06:44,253 Speaker 2: this money that's going around. It's going to go into 115 00:06:44,293 --> 00:06:46,693 Speaker 2: the pockets of the big money people. That's the way 116 00:06:46,733 --> 00:06:47,253 Speaker 2: I see it. 117 00:06:47,853 --> 00:06:49,973 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just filtered through all the way down. I 118 00:06:50,013 --> 00:06:53,093 Speaker 4: think we're talking about it off here before. And Doug 119 00:06:53,133 --> 00:06:56,813 Speaker 4: Bracewells turned down in a Central Districts contract because he 120 00:06:56,893 --> 00:06:59,933 Speaker 4: can make more money just dipping in and out and 121 00:06:59,973 --> 00:07:03,253 Speaker 4: playing for Central and then going over and playing for 122 00:07:03,573 --> 00:07:05,893 Speaker 4: in the Southern African League. And once it's happening at 123 00:07:05,893 --> 00:07:10,053 Speaker 4: domestic level, it's filtered all the way down. And New 124 00:07:10,173 --> 00:07:12,893 Speaker 4: Zealand are in a really parless situation, much more so 125 00:07:12,933 --> 00:07:15,053 Speaker 4: than anyone else because they can't afford to pay enough. 126 00:07:15,733 --> 00:07:18,773 Speaker 4: And you get your best player, came Williamson moving on 127 00:07:18,973 --> 00:07:21,013 Speaker 4: and admittedly he's going to play a lot of cricket 128 00:07:21,053 --> 00:07:24,053 Speaker 4: for New Zealand, you'd hope. But he's choosing not to 129 00:07:24,053 --> 00:07:26,973 Speaker 4: take the biggest contract there is. So if it's left 130 00:07:27,013 --> 00:07:28,693 Speaker 4: that's not enough, then where do you say? 131 00:07:29,453 --> 00:07:32,573 Speaker 2: Did you play in the era of the contracts here 132 00:07:32,613 --> 00:07:35,373 Speaker 2: when they went through that bargaining process and it was 133 00:07:35,453 --> 00:07:37,933 Speaker 2: quite ugly for a while, wasn't it in terms of 134 00:07:38,333 --> 00:07:39,653 Speaker 2: domestic players? 135 00:07:40,053 --> 00:07:40,813 Speaker 3: No, I didn't. 136 00:07:40,613 --> 00:07:42,733 Speaker 4: I played in the area where we got forty bucks 137 00:07:42,773 --> 00:07:43,293 Speaker 4: a day. 138 00:07:44,053 --> 00:07:46,173 Speaker 3: But you paid you even you were lucky. 139 00:07:49,173 --> 00:07:54,213 Speaker 4: Yeah, I had to pay meil and laundry out of that, 140 00:07:54,333 --> 00:07:57,093 Speaker 4: so obviously you know you were rolling. 141 00:07:56,853 --> 00:08:02,693 Speaker 2: In it, of course. Yeah. I worry now Jerry, and 142 00:08:02,733 --> 00:08:06,213 Speaker 2: you know Devon Conway, we don't know that. There was 143 00:08:06,413 --> 00:08:08,813 Speaker 2: talk of something like three million dollars was on the 144 00:08:08,893 --> 00:08:11,813 Speaker 2: table and you know he's going to take He's going 145 00:08:11,853 --> 00:08:15,013 Speaker 2: to take a big money payout, as are all the players. 146 00:08:15,813 --> 00:08:18,973 Speaker 2: I just worry about the development of the game now 147 00:08:18,973 --> 00:08:21,893 Speaker 2: he's thirty three. But the other people, the likes of 148 00:08:22,013 --> 00:08:26,293 Speaker 2: Ruts and Ravendra, his value on the open market, well, 149 00:08:26,293 --> 00:08:29,013 Speaker 2: it's just eyewatering to think what they would want to 150 00:08:29,053 --> 00:08:32,773 Speaker 2: pay Ruts and Ravender. And I understand he's already getting 151 00:08:33,533 --> 00:08:35,733 Speaker 2: plenty of offers and that's no surprise, is it. 152 00:08:36,773 --> 00:08:38,613 Speaker 3: Well, a lot of our players, it seems to me 153 00:08:38,773 --> 00:08:42,413 Speaker 3: we're dividing into sort of two or three three different groups, 154 00:08:42,413 --> 00:08:47,933 Speaker 3: aren't we. You've got the Nichems, Bolt, Ferguson, Milne, Colin 155 00:08:48,013 --> 00:08:50,453 Speaker 3: Munroe has been doing it for a while and Siphered 156 00:08:50,573 --> 00:08:53,573 Speaker 3: is a certain extent is there as well for Allen 157 00:08:53,813 --> 00:08:57,533 Speaker 3: and they are kind of their own people. They are 158 00:08:57,613 --> 00:09:02,453 Speaker 3: responsible for themselves. No central money coming to the to 159 00:09:02,693 --> 00:09:07,693 Speaker 3: them from New Zealand Cricket and nothing for if they 160 00:09:07,813 --> 00:09:10,213 Speaker 3: break a leat or something like that. They'll have to 161 00:09:10,253 --> 00:09:15,093 Speaker 3: have their own medical arrangements. Nothing for Hammes, and I'm 162 00:09:15,133 --> 00:09:19,213 Speaker 3: thinking they're of Ferguson and Merlin. That goes down then 163 00:09:19,213 --> 00:09:22,053 Speaker 3: I'm afraid you find your own physio, you know, that's 164 00:09:22,333 --> 00:09:25,333 Speaker 3: part of the deal if you choose that way. And 165 00:09:25,333 --> 00:09:28,693 Speaker 3: then you've got this new thing called casual contracts. Williamson 166 00:09:29,293 --> 00:09:33,573 Speaker 3: one hundred tests. The interesting one you mentioned was Conway 167 00:09:34,493 --> 00:09:38,333 Speaker 3: twenty tests. It's not that many. It's not that many. 168 00:09:38,373 --> 00:09:41,053 Speaker 3: He is thirty three, which is your point, and its 169 00:09:41,413 --> 00:09:44,413 Speaker 3: marriage and its family and so on, you know, in 170 00:09:44,573 --> 00:09:48,333 Speaker 3: the extra car in a slightly larger house, but I 171 00:09:48,373 --> 00:09:51,333 Speaker 3: can see next year. I don't know what you guys think. 172 00:09:51,573 --> 00:09:56,573 Speaker 3: Mitchell Phillips, Santner. You mentioned Ravendra, Well he'll be in line. 173 00:09:56,733 --> 00:10:02,133 Speaker 3: He's only twenty four, but he may because he's that stage, 174 00:10:02,213 --> 00:10:06,013 Speaker 3: he may want to play a few more tests, Mark Chapman, 175 00:10:06,093 --> 00:10:09,373 Speaker 3: or perhaps join the Niche and Bolt Finalen kind of 176 00:10:09,413 --> 00:10:15,493 Speaker 3: way more. But that's twelve players. Wads I worry for 177 00:10:15,653 --> 00:10:18,973 Speaker 3: me the up and coming players. And Stu's mentioned it 178 00:10:19,093 --> 00:10:25,013 Speaker 3: about first class sitting beside and alongside and a setting 179 00:10:25,013 --> 00:10:28,853 Speaker 3: of a changing room of Bruce Taylor, Richard Collins, Bevan Congden, 180 00:10:29,493 --> 00:10:34,053 Speaker 3: Bruce Murray, all that experience and knowledge will now be 181 00:10:34,253 --> 00:10:37,413 Speaker 3: absent from a dressing room and the way that it 182 00:10:37,533 --> 00:10:40,173 Speaker 3: forms and it shapes you as a player. The other 183 00:10:40,293 --> 00:10:42,773 Speaker 3: point I would make is about pity for the n 184 00:10:42,933 --> 00:10:46,573 Speaker 3: z S and Stu's mentioned that as well. There's not 185 00:10:46,733 --> 00:10:49,773 Speaker 3: much they can do, but they've seen these players go 186 00:10:49,853 --> 00:10:55,893 Speaker 3: through club cricket, underage seventeen and nineteens, provincial cricket, n 187 00:10:56,013 --> 00:11:01,373 Speaker 3: ZEDA teams, development teams. They've paid for traveling overseas and 188 00:11:01,413 --> 00:11:04,853 Speaker 3: for New Zealand for first class affairs. They played airfares 189 00:11:04,853 --> 00:11:10,373 Speaker 3: around New Zealand accommodation. All the pitchers and indoor nets 190 00:11:10,373 --> 00:11:13,253 Speaker 3: and those things are prepared, all the insurance if they 191 00:11:13,293 --> 00:11:17,253 Speaker 3: get injured. Coaching staff. You know, there is a cost 192 00:11:17,973 --> 00:11:21,333 Speaker 3: in preparing a player to be the best they can be. 193 00:11:22,213 --> 00:11:24,773 Speaker 2: Yeah, and some of those players have developed new mentions 194 00:11:24,813 --> 00:11:29,013 Speaker 2: to the central districts of Doug Bracel and Tom Bruce. 195 00:11:29,053 --> 00:11:32,653 Speaker 2: I mean, you know their days internationally are gone. They're 196 00:11:32,653 --> 00:11:36,253 Speaker 2: going to take the extra money they can make by 197 00:11:36,293 --> 00:11:39,533 Speaker 2: going to the franchises or doing that little bit extra 198 00:11:39,653 --> 00:11:42,413 Speaker 2: to finish off their career. I mean a Tom Bruce, 199 00:11:42,453 --> 00:11:44,773 Speaker 2: I think they had a job anyway, didn't he But 200 00:11:44,933 --> 00:11:45,973 Speaker 2: you know that's what they're going to do. 201 00:11:47,173 --> 00:11:50,453 Speaker 4: Yeah, Blead techns another who will be in that boat 202 00:11:50,613 --> 00:11:58,053 Speaker 4: for sure. And as Jeremy said, it really filters down badly. 203 00:11:58,093 --> 00:12:00,733 Speaker 4: And club cricket's been going through that for maybe twenty years, 204 00:12:01,213 --> 00:12:02,933 Speaker 4: but now it's going to start happening in the first 205 00:12:02,933 --> 00:12:05,013 Speaker 4: class group arena where you don't get to play with 206 00:12:05,053 --> 00:12:07,493 Speaker 4: those guys that you know, I played with the International 207 00:12:07,493 --> 00:12:11,693 Speaker 4: cricketers cricket level, that just doesn't happen anymore. And if 208 00:12:11,693 --> 00:12:13,933 Speaker 4: that's the case at first class leave where you've got 209 00:12:13,973 --> 00:12:14,733 Speaker 4: a real problem. 210 00:12:15,093 --> 00:12:17,173 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I had that advantage too and club and 211 00:12:17,293 --> 00:12:19,133 Speaker 2: not not that it made me any better as a cricketer, 212 00:12:19,373 --> 00:12:21,693 Speaker 2: but I shared a dressing room with the players that 213 00:12:22,373 --> 00:12:26,973 Speaker 2: Jerry was talking about, Bags, Murray, T. G. McMahon. You know, 214 00:12:27,733 --> 00:12:30,733 Speaker 2: Bruce Taylor was the captain of the side, John Morrison, 215 00:12:30,893 --> 00:12:33,573 Speaker 2: you know, the name goes on. I'd love to have 216 00:12:33,613 --> 00:12:36,533 Speaker 2: been able to have some of their skill rub off, 217 00:12:36,533 --> 00:12:38,853 Speaker 2: but just the experience they brought to you. You know, 218 00:12:39,053 --> 00:12:41,333 Speaker 2: when you sat down after you played a bad shot 219 00:12:41,693 --> 00:12:44,813 Speaker 2: and Bruce Taylor would come and and you know he'd 220 00:12:44,813 --> 00:12:47,133 Speaker 2: give you a real air full. Bags would sit beside 221 00:12:47,133 --> 00:12:49,973 Speaker 2: you and say, well, bad luck. You know you probably 222 00:12:50,013 --> 00:12:51,813 Speaker 2: could have played that one a little bit better. And 223 00:12:51,853 --> 00:12:54,173 Speaker 2: you know, all those sorts of things will be missing, 224 00:12:54,173 --> 00:12:55,973 Speaker 2: and we're going to end up, as I said previously, 225 00:12:56,293 --> 00:12:59,573 Speaker 2: with a whole lot of bloody baseball players, you know, 226 00:13:00,853 --> 00:13:04,653 Speaker 2: batting seven balls for fifteen or bowling five balls and 227 00:13:04,693 --> 00:13:05,453 Speaker 2: calling it an over. 228 00:13:06,253 --> 00:13:09,973 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well look, I just think why would you as 229 00:13:10,013 --> 00:13:14,573 Speaker 3: a board want to have a situation where you've probably 230 00:13:14,613 --> 00:13:18,813 Speaker 3: got a lot of younger players perennially young New Zealand side, 231 00:13:18,933 --> 00:13:22,893 Speaker 3: Because every decent player who has a couple of good years, 232 00:13:22,933 --> 00:13:27,293 Speaker 3: say at International Crickets, is snatched away or lured or whatever, 233 00:13:27,493 --> 00:13:30,773 Speaker 3: willingly led away, it'll be the end of our conservative 234 00:13:30,813 --> 00:13:36,693 Speaker 3: selection policies. But you know the you know, why would 235 00:13:36,693 --> 00:13:42,493 Speaker 3: you want to spend their money preparing local players for 236 00:13:42,733 --> 00:13:46,773 Speaker 3: a labor force of some overseas cement baron? 237 00:13:47,533 --> 00:13:47,773 Speaker 2: You know. 238 00:13:49,693 --> 00:13:52,213 Speaker 3: And even if you're an older first class player who 239 00:13:52,213 --> 00:13:54,973 Speaker 3: get in the New Zealand side, you're even more vulnerable 240 00:13:54,973 --> 00:13:57,653 Speaker 3: because you're married and as I say, you want other things. 241 00:13:58,133 --> 00:14:02,173 Speaker 3: Even our coaches we've lost the Torrian Fleming and McCallum. 242 00:14:02,613 --> 00:14:05,893 Speaker 3: They're gone and you know they are taken by the 243 00:14:06,253 --> 00:14:08,973 Speaker 3: franchise set up as well. But the next question is 244 00:14:09,013 --> 00:14:12,133 Speaker 3: what can New Zealand Cricket do. If I was a 245 00:14:12,133 --> 00:14:15,373 Speaker 3: player coming to New Zealand to play for New Zealand 246 00:14:15,413 --> 00:14:20,293 Speaker 3: for the first time, could New Zealand Cricket offer me 247 00:14:20,613 --> 00:14:24,533 Speaker 3: a contract because I've played well at the first class 248 00:14:24,653 --> 00:14:27,733 Speaker 3: level and you know I'm coming up and I'm the 249 00:14:27,773 --> 00:14:31,613 Speaker 3: real deal. And if they offer me a contract, could 250 00:14:31,613 --> 00:14:34,133 Speaker 3: they make it for three or four or five years 251 00:14:35,373 --> 00:14:39,173 Speaker 3: and say, look, this is a multiple contract. We'll pay 252 00:14:39,213 --> 00:14:42,133 Speaker 3: you for this time, but you play for New Zealand 253 00:14:42,173 --> 00:14:46,373 Speaker 3: and these other conditions, and the player then makes his choice, 254 00:14:47,373 --> 00:14:50,573 Speaker 3: and they know that I would know that I need 255 00:14:50,613 --> 00:14:56,213 Speaker 3: international performance to be recognized by the franchise setup, and 256 00:14:56,853 --> 00:14:59,573 Speaker 3: the contract should have to be constructed carefully. And it 257 00:14:59,653 --> 00:15:02,093 Speaker 3: might mean if I break it in two and a 258 00:15:02,133 --> 00:15:05,133 Speaker 3: half years, I have to pay some money back to 259 00:15:05,173 --> 00:15:09,453 Speaker 3: the board because I've broken the contract. But surely the 260 00:15:09,493 --> 00:15:12,773 Speaker 3: board has to hug a bit of cash back from 261 00:15:12,813 --> 00:15:15,893 Speaker 3: some of these guys. Guys, we are going to have 262 00:15:16,013 --> 00:15:21,453 Speaker 3: millionaires short format players living in New Zealand still playing, 263 00:15:22,013 --> 00:15:23,213 Speaker 3: but not for New Zealand. 264 00:15:23,453 --> 00:15:25,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you have for five, say a five 265 00:15:25,453 --> 00:15:29,413 Speaker 2: year contracts you run out of form in eighteen months time, 266 00:15:30,493 --> 00:15:32,533 Speaker 2: do you keep that contract going? I mean, what about 267 00:15:32,653 --> 00:15:36,133 Speaker 2: the old days? And I know this is really old 268 00:15:36,213 --> 00:15:38,853 Speaker 2: day stuff where you're played by the you were paid 269 00:15:38,893 --> 00:15:42,253 Speaker 2: by the games you played, the wickets you took or 270 00:15:42,293 --> 00:15:44,893 Speaker 2: the runs you scored. You know, that was the old 271 00:15:44,933 --> 00:15:48,093 Speaker 2: contracting system, wasn't it. You wouldn't be able to make 272 00:15:48,133 --> 00:15:49,253 Speaker 2: that work these days, would you. 273 00:15:49,253 --> 00:15:52,253 Speaker 4: It's a really complicated situation, doesn't it. 274 00:15:52,653 --> 00:15:52,853 Speaker 3: Really. 275 00:15:52,973 --> 00:15:55,213 Speaker 4: It's a really difficult one. I see where Jerry's coming from. 276 00:15:55,853 --> 00:15:59,413 Speaker 4: But then you take. You need to be pretty nostrodamus 277 00:15:59,933 --> 00:16:01,373 Speaker 4: like to work out who's going to be the good 278 00:16:01,373 --> 00:16:05,293 Speaker 4: players down the trail and decide that you're going to 279 00:16:05,293 --> 00:16:09,693 Speaker 4: stick with those guys. And it's a really terrible situation, 280 00:16:09,773 --> 00:16:12,413 Speaker 4: he said on Cricketer Found Themselves and they're just allowing 281 00:16:12,453 --> 00:16:17,373 Speaker 4: people to walk out without any recompense. You know, last 282 00:16:18,093 --> 00:16:19,853 Speaker 4: go back to last year when all of a sudden, 283 00:16:19,973 --> 00:16:24,373 Speaker 4: Tom Bruce and Doggie brace Well went with the Central 284 00:16:24,373 --> 00:16:26,533 Speaker 4: Districts team when they'd been contract for the season. But 285 00:16:26,573 --> 00:16:29,533 Speaker 4: there's no loss of income apart from the matches they missed. 286 00:16:29,533 --> 00:16:33,493 Speaker 4: They've still got their contracts and where's the enforcement of 287 00:16:33,533 --> 00:16:35,773 Speaker 4: a contract. They're just taking the easy way out because 288 00:16:35,773 --> 00:16:36,573 Speaker 4: it's too difficult. 289 00:16:37,813 --> 00:16:39,853 Speaker 2: Well, who was the bowler who walked out after he 290 00:16:39,933 --> 00:16:41,773 Speaker 2: bowled his overs in the middle of a game during 291 00:16:41,813 --> 00:16:43,613 Speaker 2: one of the internationals, wasn't it He got. 292 00:16:44,093 --> 00:16:48,413 Speaker 3: Muhammed AHMYA yeah, yeah, Muhammad Amya was over in England 293 00:16:48,493 --> 00:16:51,453 Speaker 3: and they are playing one hundred competition there and he 294 00:16:51,533 --> 00:16:56,173 Speaker 3: got drafted into one of those franchises. He only was 295 00:16:56,333 --> 00:16:59,093 Speaker 3: there for one game. Well, he left after thirty minutes. 296 00:16:59,693 --> 00:17:02,893 Speaker 3: He bowled his overs the first couple of overs left 297 00:17:02,933 --> 00:17:06,653 Speaker 3: after thirty minutes, had his suitcase at the ground and 298 00:17:06,733 --> 00:17:09,333 Speaker 3: just headed off to the airport to go over to 299 00:17:09,413 --> 00:17:15,173 Speaker 3: America to play in a franchise competition there. Extraordinary, what's happening. 300 00:17:18,413 --> 00:17:21,773 Speaker 3: I wasn't suggesting, by the way, Stu, that everybody would 301 00:17:21,853 --> 00:17:26,173 Speaker 3: have that four year contract. If it's an Avendra or 302 00:17:26,253 --> 00:17:30,213 Speaker 3: a Martin Crow or someone like that Dora Hadley, who's 303 00:17:30,293 --> 00:17:36,013 Speaker 3: obviously someone special, you want to get them early before 304 00:17:36,053 --> 00:17:39,173 Speaker 3: they've played, you know, really come into the thing and 305 00:17:39,333 --> 00:17:42,773 Speaker 3: suddenly the franchises want them from all over the world. Sure, 306 00:17:42,813 --> 00:17:45,173 Speaker 3: and the other guys you might, yeah, the other guys, 307 00:17:45,213 --> 00:17:47,053 Speaker 3: you might make it one and a half two years 308 00:17:47,293 --> 00:17:47,893 Speaker 3: sort of thing. 309 00:17:48,573 --> 00:17:50,493 Speaker 4: But like a football model, wasn't it that they give 310 00:17:50,573 --> 00:17:53,613 Speaker 4: you and they you know, they get them to the 311 00:17:53,653 --> 00:17:57,693 Speaker 4: Manchester United when they're fifteen or fourteen and tie them 312 00:17:57,693 --> 00:17:59,213 Speaker 4: in for a decent period of time. 313 00:17:59,333 --> 00:18:01,853 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't want to be an administrator 314 00:18:01,893 --> 00:18:04,053 Speaker 2: trying to sort it out in New Zealand because New 315 00:18:04,173 --> 00:18:06,973 Speaker 2: Zealand just doesn't have the money. They have to rely 316 00:18:07,093 --> 00:18:10,093 Speaker 2: on money that comes from ICC, from television and from 317 00:18:10,133 --> 00:18:13,733 Speaker 2: other forms of advertising and stuff. But you know that 318 00:18:13,853 --> 00:18:16,573 Speaker 2: money has never really been in the game in New 319 00:18:16,693 --> 00:18:20,013 Speaker 2: Zealand hasidant. So you know, you talk about your forty 320 00:18:20,053 --> 00:18:23,333 Speaker 2: dollars a day or forty dollars a game, forty dollars 321 00:18:23,413 --> 00:18:28,013 Speaker 2: a week, depending on how it was spread out, that 322 00:18:28,013 --> 00:18:30,173 Speaker 2: that was the way it was. And it's going to 323 00:18:30,213 --> 00:18:33,453 Speaker 2: be tough for them to negotiate because the players have 324 00:18:33,533 --> 00:18:35,013 Speaker 2: got all the power now, haven't they. 325 00:18:35,653 --> 00:18:39,973 Speaker 4: Yeah, massive amounts and that can get paid in so 326 00:18:40,093 --> 00:18:42,373 Speaker 4: many places around the world that they don't really need 327 00:18:42,413 --> 00:18:47,133 Speaker 4: New Zealand except as their base, and unfortunately we've got 328 00:18:47,653 --> 00:18:48,733 Speaker 4: I don't know how they solve it. 329 00:18:49,373 --> 00:18:53,773 Speaker 2: No interesting challenge for the administrators. I'm sure we will 330 00:18:53,773 --> 00:18:56,813 Speaker 2: hear a lot more on this because the issue of 331 00:18:56,853 --> 00:19:01,293 Speaker 2: whether they're going to have an investigation and was an 332 00:19:01,413 --> 00:19:06,853 Speaker 2: unsustainable cricket calendar remains up in the air, I suppose, 333 00:19:06,853 --> 00:19:09,173 Speaker 2: and we will hear about that in due course. 334 00:19:09,613 --> 00:19:13,653 Speaker 3: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 335 00:19:13,733 --> 00:19:19,733 Speaker 2: The black Caps off to the subcontinent. Student is the 336 00:19:19,773 --> 00:19:24,573 Speaker 2: white ball game? Has it been the salvation for spin bowling? 337 00:19:24,613 --> 00:19:28,573 Speaker 2: We've got truckloads of them going. There's five options open 338 00:19:28,693 --> 00:19:32,813 Speaker 2: to Captain Tim Soudy. He's not going to use them all. 339 00:19:33,253 --> 00:19:39,653 Speaker 2: He's got Seclaim Mushtak there to help those spin bowlers 340 00:19:39,693 --> 00:19:43,213 Speaker 2: through the difficulties of bowling over there. How would you 341 00:19:43,333 --> 00:19:47,773 Speaker 2: go about picking aside and which spinners would you opt for? 342 00:19:48,813 --> 00:19:51,013 Speaker 4: Well, I think I was thinking about this before and 343 00:19:51,373 --> 00:19:56,213 Speaker 4: before we started, and I think the fortunate situation for 344 00:19:56,293 --> 00:19:59,493 Speaker 4: the teams that they've got Ravendra and Phillips who will 345 00:19:59,493 --> 00:20:02,693 Speaker 4: probably play as batsman. So they've got two ballers there 346 00:20:02,693 --> 00:20:06,133 Speaker 4: for a start who can hit part timers admittedly, but 347 00:20:06,373 --> 00:20:09,293 Speaker 4: they're reasonable part timers. And then you can decide of 348 00:20:09,333 --> 00:20:11,893 Speaker 4: the other three who's boiling the best and however many 349 00:20:11,933 --> 00:20:14,613 Speaker 4: you want out of those guys, one or two depending 350 00:20:14,613 --> 00:20:18,893 Speaker 4: on the pitch conditions, out of Patel, sand and Braceful, 351 00:20:19,733 --> 00:20:21,693 Speaker 4: I think you'll to feed them in on who's bowling 352 00:20:21,693 --> 00:20:23,653 Speaker 4: the best, as long as those other two are doing 353 00:20:23,813 --> 00:20:26,453 Speaker 4: a reasonable job as well, because they'll play anyway. So 354 00:20:26,533 --> 00:20:28,773 Speaker 4: I think that's probably how they'll look to do it. 355 00:20:28,813 --> 00:20:30,493 Speaker 4: You can have too many spin bowlers in a team 356 00:20:30,773 --> 00:20:33,213 Speaker 4: you don't want to be. It's really hard if you 357 00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:35,413 Speaker 4: just feel like, oh, well there's eight overs, you need 358 00:20:35,453 --> 00:20:39,013 Speaker 4: a decent spell. And so I think there's a can 359 00:20:39,053 --> 00:20:41,653 Speaker 4: be a problem of having too many in a team 360 00:20:41,653 --> 00:20:44,653 Speaker 4: and the people not doing the job. You often get 361 00:20:44,653 --> 00:20:47,053 Speaker 4: better and better when when you're boiling a spell into 362 00:20:47,093 --> 00:20:50,653 Speaker 4: your twentieth to twenty five to thirty overs and things 363 00:20:50,653 --> 00:20:53,093 Speaker 4: start to happen there rather than bowling eight. Oh you 364 00:20:53,093 --> 00:20:56,213 Speaker 4: haven't got a wicket off you go. Yeah, that's an 365 00:20:56,213 --> 00:20:58,853 Speaker 4: interesting situation. I think who's boiling the best out of 366 00:20:58,853 --> 00:21:00,933 Speaker 4: those three will end up playing you. 367 00:21:01,133 --> 00:21:04,053 Speaker 3: They're different bowlers, aren't they really? When you look at them. 368 00:21:04,133 --> 00:21:08,133 Speaker 3: I know it's easy to say we've got Revendra Patel 369 00:21:08,173 --> 00:21:11,573 Speaker 3: and Santna all left armors, but they are. I mean, 370 00:21:11,653 --> 00:21:15,853 Speaker 3: Satna is a flatter generally a flatter bowler in test matches, 371 00:21:17,733 --> 00:21:22,293 Speaker 3: so is Ravendra, whereas Patel tends to get the ball 372 00:21:22,373 --> 00:21:25,533 Speaker 3: up and down a bit more, you know, and then 373 00:21:25,653 --> 00:21:29,293 Speaker 3: brace will. Obviously, we don't have a left arm seemer 374 00:21:29,893 --> 00:21:33,693 Speaker 3: to create footmarks for off spinners, so we need to 375 00:21:33,693 --> 00:21:37,493 Speaker 3: rely on the opposition to do that for us. But 376 00:21:38,333 --> 00:21:41,493 Speaker 3: as a general kind of thing, if the pitch looked 377 00:21:41,493 --> 00:21:46,013 Speaker 3: a bit drier and a bit dusty and cracked, and 378 00:21:46,173 --> 00:21:50,173 Speaker 3: it was more control of line and pitching in places 379 00:21:50,213 --> 00:21:53,333 Speaker 3: where you can get that variable bounce and turn and 380 00:21:53,373 --> 00:21:58,693 Speaker 3: it happens quicker. Would you tend to favor a Santner 381 00:21:58,733 --> 00:21:59,573 Speaker 3: over a Patel? 382 00:22:00,693 --> 00:22:04,853 Speaker 4: Yes, I think with the rider that Sander bowls were 383 00:22:04,933 --> 00:22:07,933 Speaker 4: fuller than he generally does. I think he bowls too short. 384 00:22:08,573 --> 00:22:11,693 Speaker 4: I don't think he brings them forward enough. And you 385 00:22:11,773 --> 00:22:13,813 Speaker 4: have to do it at the pace on a wicket 386 00:22:13,853 --> 00:22:15,533 Speaker 4: like that, And so if you can bowl a full 387 00:22:15,853 --> 00:22:20,013 Speaker 4: fuller length at pace, I'd go with that definitely. But 388 00:22:20,533 --> 00:22:23,373 Speaker 4: the other person, I do like Braceful in that situation too. 389 00:22:23,413 --> 00:22:25,813 Speaker 4: You know, he really does turn the ball. He bolted 390 00:22:26,413 --> 00:22:29,413 Speaker 4: a reasonable well. Clip two gets a bit of bounce 391 00:22:29,453 --> 00:22:31,853 Speaker 4: because he's tall. So I think those two guys in 392 00:22:31,853 --> 00:22:35,293 Speaker 4: those conditions yet as long as sat in the battle 393 00:22:35,293 --> 00:22:38,013 Speaker 4: but fuller, I think that it would work quite well. 394 00:22:38,053 --> 00:22:40,813 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you'd use Patel in a picture where you 395 00:22:41,013 --> 00:22:44,253 Speaker 3: thought it was flatter and was going to last a 396 00:22:44,253 --> 00:22:49,013 Speaker 3: little bit longer, where flight, you know, up above the 397 00:22:49,053 --> 00:22:52,093 Speaker 3: batsman's eyes and then dropping a little bit more. You 398 00:22:52,213 --> 00:22:54,373 Speaker 3: might go for a few more runs, because that's quite 399 00:22:54,413 --> 00:22:58,493 Speaker 3: hard to control because your length, you know, just even 400 00:22:58,533 --> 00:23:01,133 Speaker 3: though it's coming down more steeply and you beat the 401 00:23:01,133 --> 00:23:04,653 Speaker 3: forward defensive shot, it's you know, you'd use him and 402 00:23:04,733 --> 00:23:07,373 Speaker 3: those conditions a bit more, would you? Yeah? 403 00:23:07,373 --> 00:23:10,133 Speaker 4: I think so. He's there's more of the guy who's 404 00:23:10,133 --> 00:23:12,093 Speaker 4: a out and out spin bowler, isn't it. The other 405 00:23:12,093 --> 00:23:14,733 Speaker 4: guys are all round us, Whereas he's used to bowling 406 00:23:14,813 --> 00:23:18,573 Speaker 4: decent spells. He's made to bowl twenty five to thirty 407 00:23:18,613 --> 00:23:21,053 Speaker 4: five overs. And I think if you want someone to 408 00:23:21,053 --> 00:23:23,733 Speaker 4: do that sort of job where you're just wearing away 409 00:23:23,733 --> 00:23:26,773 Speaker 4: at them and bowling good lines and lengths and teasing 410 00:23:26,813 --> 00:23:30,373 Speaker 4: them a bit more, then he's your man. I don't 411 00:23:30,453 --> 00:23:33,013 Speaker 4: really like local Center in those conditions. I think he's 412 00:23:33,253 --> 00:23:36,573 Speaker 4: again he bowls too short and it's too defensive, and 413 00:23:37,013 --> 00:23:38,813 Speaker 4: it works well in one day cricket, but I don't 414 00:23:38,853 --> 00:23:41,813 Speaker 4: think it's really a good option in the test matches. 415 00:23:42,293 --> 00:23:45,253 Speaker 3: Then you come to the other point. How much in 416 00:23:45,333 --> 00:23:48,973 Speaker 3: a team does the fact that Bracewool and Satiner can 417 00:23:49,053 --> 00:23:53,293 Speaker 3: field in a variety of positions closer to the bat, 418 00:23:53,653 --> 00:24:00,293 Speaker 3: perhaps more reliable catches, and might supply more runs than Patel. 419 00:24:00,653 --> 00:24:04,053 Speaker 3: How much does that weigh on who you play? 420 00:24:04,653 --> 00:24:07,333 Speaker 4: I don't think it should. I think that's too defensive 421 00:24:07,333 --> 00:24:09,413 Speaker 4: in terms of trying to get people out. I think 422 00:24:09,453 --> 00:24:11,613 Speaker 4: you should just look at the bowling and think who's 423 00:24:11,613 --> 00:24:13,933 Speaker 4: going to who's most likely in these conditions to get 424 00:24:13,973 --> 00:24:16,933 Speaker 4: the wickets. If you can't get runs with all the 425 00:24:16,933 --> 00:24:19,213 Speaker 4: other players you've got, then one more way probably won't 426 00:24:19,213 --> 00:24:22,333 Speaker 4: make a difference. And I think you just got to 427 00:24:22,333 --> 00:24:24,133 Speaker 4: live with the fact that Betel's not quite as good 428 00:24:24,133 --> 00:24:25,213 Speaker 4: a fielder as those two. 429 00:24:25,653 --> 00:24:29,133 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's coming to our thinking in the past, hasn't 430 00:24:29,133 --> 00:24:31,493 Speaker 2: it sadly in terms of the selections that they've left 431 00:24:31,773 --> 00:24:34,333 Speaker 2: Patel out. You know, he takes ten wickets and the 432 00:24:34,413 --> 00:24:37,533 Speaker 2: Test innings and the next Test is in and played, 433 00:24:37,653 --> 00:24:40,973 Speaker 2: He's not included when they when they come home for 434 00:24:41,413 --> 00:24:45,413 Speaker 2: whatever reason, the pitchers don't suit or he may not 435 00:24:45,493 --> 00:24:47,933 Speaker 2: be able to bowl in those conditions. But in New 436 00:24:48,053 --> 00:24:50,893 Speaker 2: Zealand conditions, now look at the bowlers who have been 437 00:24:50,933 --> 00:24:53,933 Speaker 2: successful and are likely to be successful. Nathan Lyon. Of 438 00:24:54,013 --> 00:24:57,013 Speaker 2: course he's a quality player, but we've got to prepare 439 00:24:57,053 --> 00:24:59,333 Speaker 2: pitchers and we've got to use our bowlers and get 440 00:24:59,373 --> 00:25:04,533 Speaker 2: the variety of the attack that the ages Patel's can offer. 441 00:25:04,813 --> 00:25:07,293 Speaker 4: Well, Betel's had a great record over in the Subcontinent, 442 00:25:07,293 --> 00:25:08,573 Speaker 4: isn't it. I mean he hasn't get it much of 443 00:25:08,573 --> 00:25:11,293 Speaker 4: an opportunity in New Zealand, as you say, but every 444 00:25:11,333 --> 00:25:13,373 Speaker 4: time it seems like he's a little bit on the arter, 445 00:25:13,453 --> 00:25:16,053 Speaker 4: even though you look back at his record each time 446 00:25:16,133 --> 00:25:19,133 Speaker 4: and he's he's someone who performs. He's performed really well. 447 00:25:19,493 --> 00:25:22,613 Speaker 4: I think he's averaging round about thirty just under thirty 448 00:25:22,893 --> 00:25:26,613 Speaker 4: in Test cricket per wicket and quite trying conditions at times, 449 00:25:26,613 --> 00:25:30,933 Speaker 4: and he always seems to be oh, well, play and 450 00:25:31,013 --> 00:25:33,173 Speaker 4: if we have to, because he's not quite as good 451 00:25:33,173 --> 00:25:35,413 Speaker 4: as Bets but not quite as good a fielder, I 452 00:25:35,413 --> 00:25:37,093 Speaker 4: think you've really just got to look at the bowling 453 00:25:37,093 --> 00:25:40,133 Speaker 4: conditions to decide is he one of your main spin 454 00:25:40,173 --> 00:25:43,213 Speaker 4: balls and if he is playing, and take take the 455 00:25:43,293 --> 00:25:45,693 Speaker 4: lack of runs, and take the lack of wicket fielding 456 00:25:46,693 --> 00:25:47,773 Speaker 4: and just go with him. 457 00:25:48,773 --> 00:25:51,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not glad they've got somebody likes to claim 458 00:25:51,413 --> 00:25:55,053 Speaker 2: Mushtak there to work with the spin bowlers. I'm disappointed 459 00:25:55,093 --> 00:25:57,493 Speaker 2: they don't have a seam bowling option in terms of 460 00:25:57,533 --> 00:26:01,533 Speaker 2: the coaching for the likes of Sears and a Rought, 461 00:26:01,693 --> 00:26:05,333 Speaker 2: because this is the you know, the development time for them, 462 00:26:05,573 --> 00:26:10,893 Speaker 2: you know, the likes of Jurgensen who worked with a 463 00:26:10,933 --> 00:26:13,933 Speaker 2: long time now is obviously working with Ben Sears, but 464 00:26:14,093 --> 00:26:16,853 Speaker 2: you know he's opted out of that role and it 465 00:26:16,933 --> 00:26:19,133 Speaker 2: would be a good time to have somebody there to 466 00:26:19,413 --> 00:26:20,853 Speaker 2: mentor these guys too, wouldn't it. 467 00:26:21,853 --> 00:26:22,013 Speaker 3: Well. 468 00:26:22,053 --> 00:26:24,813 Speaker 4: I was just talking to Liam Dunning, who's going to 469 00:26:24,933 --> 00:26:27,013 Speaker 4: the well Out and Firebird, So I played golf for 470 00:26:27,053 --> 00:26:30,053 Speaker 4: them last week CenTra Restricts Players Team Viola and he 471 00:26:30,493 --> 00:26:34,373 Speaker 4: had a session with Shane Jurgenson just a week or 472 00:26:34,373 --> 00:26:36,533 Speaker 4: two ago when he went down and he said it 473 00:26:36,573 --> 00:26:38,253 Speaker 4: was great, he got a lot out of it. So 474 00:26:38,373 --> 00:26:41,893 Speaker 4: there's a guy who's been around, who's thirty and got 475 00:26:42,013 --> 00:26:44,053 Speaker 4: quite a bit out of just one or two sessions 476 00:26:44,053 --> 00:26:47,533 Speaker 4: that he's from somebody who knows what they're doing. So yeah, 477 00:26:48,013 --> 00:26:49,693 Speaker 4: certainly would be helpful for those fillers. 478 00:26:49,773 --> 00:26:52,213 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know. I was just going to mention 479 00:26:52,333 --> 00:26:55,373 Speaker 3: Nathan Smith. He's in Wellington, doesn't he want so? 480 00:26:55,933 --> 00:26:56,133 Speaker 2: Yes? 481 00:26:56,173 --> 00:27:00,293 Speaker 3: Heah, And that will have helped having Jurgensen there for him. 482 00:27:00,733 --> 00:27:02,973 Speaker 2: And he must be in line for a contract now 483 00:27:02,973 --> 00:27:04,973 Speaker 2: that all these guys are opting out. I mean, we 484 00:27:04,973 --> 00:27:06,613 Speaker 2: don't know how many people have signed up for News 485 00:27:06,773 --> 00:27:09,373 Speaker 2: in credit. They've probably signed up the casual contracts to 486 00:27:09,413 --> 00:27:11,893 Speaker 2: go on this tour, but you know, we don't know 487 00:27:11,933 --> 00:27:14,653 Speaker 2: how many contracts are available for some of these players, 488 00:27:14,653 --> 00:27:18,133 Speaker 2: but you know he's he's an all rounder of the 489 00:27:18,173 --> 00:27:20,293 Speaker 2: future to my mind. I don't know how you see it. 490 00:27:21,453 --> 00:27:22,733 Speaker 4: I haven't seen a lot of them. I've seen a 491 00:27:22,773 --> 00:27:26,253 Speaker 4: little bit on on just the coverage on television at times, 492 00:27:26,293 --> 00:27:27,933 Speaker 4: and he looks a good player. But no, I haven't. 493 00:27:27,933 --> 00:27:29,573 Speaker 4: I haven't seen so I can't really comment. 494 00:27:30,933 --> 00:27:33,933 Speaker 2: So after the Subcontinent, I guess you never got to 495 00:27:33,933 --> 00:27:38,453 Speaker 2: bowl on the subcontinent ste but you'll be interested to 496 00:27:38,453 --> 00:27:39,893 Speaker 2: see how these guys go. 497 00:27:41,373 --> 00:27:44,053 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think most of the time that I've watched 498 00:27:44,413 --> 00:27:47,093 Speaker 4: pricket over there, you've got to push the through the 499 00:27:47,093 --> 00:27:50,333 Speaker 4: ball through it, but it seems to be slowish and 500 00:27:51,453 --> 00:27:54,293 Speaker 4: I think we've got the attack to do okay, certainly 501 00:27:54,293 --> 00:27:57,213 Speaker 4: got a decent batting side, and be interesting to see 502 00:27:57,253 --> 00:27:59,893 Speaker 4: how they structure their quick bowls. I guess it really 503 00:27:59,893 --> 00:28:02,053 Speaker 4: depends on what they see in the wickets in front 504 00:28:02,053 --> 00:28:04,213 Speaker 4: of them. But with Sears and O'Rourke, they've got a 505 00:28:04,253 --> 00:28:06,733 Speaker 4: couple of likely lads. You can come and bowl four 506 00:28:06,773 --> 00:28:09,293 Speaker 4: overs at the time and in cause a bit of 507 00:28:09,493 --> 00:28:13,693 Speaker 4: damage hopefully, and then let the spinners do their job. 508 00:28:14,533 --> 00:28:17,253 Speaker 2: Good stuff. Well, well, thank you for joining us. It'd 509 00:28:17,253 --> 00:28:20,093 Speaker 2: be nice to talk to you again about that that 510 00:28:20,373 --> 00:28:22,973 Speaker 2: tour and how the spin balls were gone a little 511 00:28:22,973 --> 00:28:25,253 Speaker 2: bit later as we go on, you can pack your 512 00:28:25,293 --> 00:28:27,933 Speaker 2: clubs into the car and head off now to the 513 00:28:28,013 --> 00:28:29,053 Speaker 2: to the golf course. 514 00:28:30,533 --> 00:28:32,773 Speaker 4: Up after work once. But it's not too far away 515 00:28:32,853 --> 00:28:37,413 Speaker 4: to range, so yeah, I'll do that. Nice to talk about. 516 00:28:38,333 --> 00:28:41,213 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that's great, that's great. I thought I was 517 00:28:41,413 --> 00:28:42,893 Speaker 3: I was going to do this from bed it was 518 00:28:42,973 --> 00:28:44,773 Speaker 3: so early, but no, I got up for you. 519 00:28:45,373 --> 00:28:45,493 Speaker 2: Oh. 520 00:28:45,613 --> 00:28:53,813 Speaker 3: Thanks. When I keep and I keep very gentlemanly hours. 521 00:28:53,613 --> 00:28:55,093 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I do these days. 522 00:28:55,133 --> 00:29:00,853 Speaker 4: I don't start work till the earliest, so that's pretty good. 523 00:29:02,773 --> 00:29:05,693 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, good on you. Jerry. You can get out 524 00:29:05,733 --> 00:29:07,693 Speaker 2: of bed now you can go back and take you have. 525 00:29:07,693 --> 00:29:12,253 Speaker 3: A couple of you all right, cheers boys, Thanks guys. 526 00:29:13,733 --> 00:29:15,773 Speaker 2: Thanks as all. 527 00:29:15,573 --> 00:29:19,453 Speaker 3: The wad Fuldies summer singing. 528 00:29:20,133 --> 00:29:27,493 Speaker 1: Do for more from News Talks at b listen live 529 00:29:27,693 --> 00:29:30,373 Speaker 1: on air or online, and keep our shows with you 530 00:29:30,493 --> 00:29:33,453 Speaker 1: wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.