1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Hello, it's Matt Heath here with a massive self source. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: My number one best selling book, Are Lifeless Punishing Thirteen 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Ways to Love the Life You Got, is out now. 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: It's the result of a deep dive I took into 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: how to deal with the emotions that make our lives 6 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: more punishing than they need to be. I reckon, I 7 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: found a way to live a life less bored, less stressed, angry, worried, annoyed, scared, dissatisfied, 8 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: and more. 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Graham. 24 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: Where do we find you today? 25 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 3: Well, you find me. 26 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 4: In New York City, baby, at the top of some 27 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 4: fancy hotel and look like one window. 28 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 3: I actually Central Park. 29 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: Oh beautiful. You love New York City, don't you. You 30 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: talk about a little bit in your book. 31 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 3: I do. I started coming here years and years ago, 32 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: kind of back in the and I came here first 33 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 3: when I was like twenty. 34 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 4: I came here straight from Ireland and I was so 35 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 4: terrified I couldn't wait to leave. I got on a 36 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 4: bus like the next day and start fading west. It 37 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 4: wasn't helped because the day after I arrived, like we arrived, 38 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 4: all these lier of students. We arrived, and then the 39 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 4: next morning they gave us a talk, literally a talk 40 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 4: on how not to get killed. 41 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: And it stuck with me ever since. So like, don't 42 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: look up is one of the rules. 43 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: Wow, Well it's bettyly successful because you haven't been killed 44 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: over the year and you've been. 45 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 3: Here a lot. Clearly it worked. Yeah, work, This was 46 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 3: a great call, but it did frighten me. 47 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: Was there like a different time in New York or 48 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: something that was a time when it was super dangerous. 49 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: I feel like it's not so dangerous now. 50 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I don't want to say that 51 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 4: because then I'll walk out in this building and get mugged. 52 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 3: But it doesn't I don't think it is. 53 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 4: I mean, I think one of the problems was I'd 54 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 4: watched too many episodes of The Equalized great show. 55 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: With all. 56 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 4: It was a great show, but it meant that I 57 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 4: my fear. My fear levels were very high at all times. 58 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 4: So but now it does it does seem like I'm 59 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 4: much kind of safe place. 60 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: And so you're in New York trying some some some wines. 61 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: What what grapes have you been sampling today? 62 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 3: There you go also be blong. 63 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 4: Were Ye, We're just we're blending our New Zealand something 64 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 4: long for for this year. And the standard, the quality, 65 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 4: let's use the word quality, is super high. 66 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: This year. They were all delicious. 67 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 4: Normally there's a few duds, the kind of thing I 68 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 4: never want to taste that again, but they were all 69 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 4: delicious this year. 70 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: So it was an embarrassment of riches. 71 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: So you're a sieve, guy Graham. 72 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: That's how this all started. 73 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 4: I must have been doing some press, uh for the 74 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 4: TV show with a New Zealand magazine or paper radio, 75 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 4: I don't know what it was. And I because I'd 76 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 4: never been to New Zealand, and I couldn't remember the 77 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 4: names of any New Zealand guests I might have had. 78 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 4: The only thing, the only thing I could share with 79 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 4: them was that my, seriously, my drink of choice was 80 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:18,679 Speaker 4: New Zealand. 81 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 3: So many bloc I love New Zealand, sony bloc. 82 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 4: And the guys in in Vivo must have read that, 83 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 4: and because they're you know, they're smart, they thought they 84 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 4: all had on let's contact. 85 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 3: The Grim Norton Show and see if they want some 86 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: of our wines for the green room. 87 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 4: And so you know, you're never too older to rich 88 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 4: for free wine, so yeah, we will have some free wide, 89 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 4: thank you very much. 90 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 3: And then they got to be able to tell people. 91 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 4: That, you know, as drunk by Gwyneth Paltrow or as 92 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 4: drunk by So it was such a I was so 93 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 4: impressed by that because it was no one else had 94 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 4: thought to do it, and it's such a you know, 95 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 4: it's such an obvious idea once you hear it in 96 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 4: terms of marketing. So and they approached me then to 97 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 4: do my own label. I kind of thought, well, these 98 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 4: guys are switched on. They know what you're doing. And 99 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 4: you know, eleven years later and millions of bottles later, 100 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 4: here we are. 101 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: Twenty million bottles later, I believe, well, and I didn't 102 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: drink all of them. 103 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: Well, the interesting thing is your show is one of 104 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: the few shows around now which actually has alcohol on it. Now, 105 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: it seems to make complete sense to me that you 106 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: would sit around and have a glass of wine when 107 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: you're doing a talk show. I mean, when people sit 108 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 2: around and socialize and talk, they drink wine. Has there 109 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: been You've probably been asked this a thousand times. Has 110 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: there been pushed back at certain times to get rid 111 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 2: of the alcohol? And if you said no, you know what? 112 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 4: No? 113 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 3: And do you know what? 114 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: No? 115 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 4: There never has because it's not like we force people 116 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,559 Speaker 4: to drink, you know, we only offer people to drink, 117 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 4: and a lot of people say no, you know a 118 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 4: lot of people so just olive water. Of course, then 119 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 4: they get out there and see the next person's drinking 120 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 4: at margarita. 121 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 3: The thing's a fool. Why have I done this? But 122 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 3: you know, it's interesting. 123 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 4: I watch old clips of you know, there's an American 124 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 4: talk show called The Dick Caviot Show. 125 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, fantastic. 126 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: I love those. 127 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 4: Kids, and they're on there and they're smoking their cigarettes, 128 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 4: and it just seems so alien now. And I'm totally 129 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 4: confident that in ten fifteen years, people will look back 130 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 4: clips of my show and kind of go look at 131 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 4: them the drinking cameras. You can feel it, you can 132 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 4: feel the tide is slightly turning. 133 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: So you mentioned Dick Kevin, and I've been down YouTube 134 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: holes just watching his interviews and how they're just so 135 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: deep and they go there slow along, one on one, 136 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: and you can't believe that that was a hugely successful 137 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: show back in the time. So you must have interview heroes, 138 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: interview with heroes. 139 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, and that that's why, you know, 140 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 4: when when the show started back on in the UK, 141 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 4: it was on Channel four, And of course, you know, 142 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 4: when you start a new talk show, it's great, look 143 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 4: at me, I've got a new job. But it's incredibly 144 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 4: hard to book guests because none of the publicists want 145 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 4: to put their guests on there because you know, your 146 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 4: an unknown quantity and you know, and British television has 147 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 4: a certain you know, reputation. It might be too dangerous, 148 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 4: it might be too whatever. So what we did was 149 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 4: we threw money. 150 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 3: At the problem. 151 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 4: So I was just flying in people from America who 152 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 4: weren't very busy, who I had watched as a kid. 153 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 4: So I had Michael Lerner, who she made the mother 154 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 4: and the Waltons. 155 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 3: You know, she hasn't been on telling much since I 156 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: got her. 157 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 4: And I because it was, you know, it was my 158 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 4: childhood dream come true. 159 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 3: You know. 160 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 4: We'd Cagny and Lacey on, we had you know, starskid Hutch, 161 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 4: we had you know, we have various reunions of old 162 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 4: shows and and and I think people liked the retro 163 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 4: Pitcheness Office. But the reality was those are the only 164 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 4: guests we could get. So that's how that kind of happened. 165 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: And now I guess it's Scott to the point, Graham, 166 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: where if you ask anybody at any stage, they would 167 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: jump at the opportunity to be on the show. Is 168 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: there anyone recently who said no, no, they have to. 169 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 4: Have a reason to come on, you know, and they 170 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 4: and and there were some people we still haven't got, 171 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 4: you know, we've never had Brad Pitt and actually, up 172 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 4: until recently, we've never had Julia Roberts and and we thought, oh, 173 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 4: and she's one of the weird ones. She has never 174 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 4: done a British talk show everw not not like it's 175 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 4: not like she did one and didn't like it, never 176 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 4: came back. She's never done it. What why I don't 177 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 4: because she fell out with the press. 178 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 3: Pretty early on in her career. I think she kind 179 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: of realized, this is the part of my job I 180 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 3: don't like. Okay, yeah, and you know, and I think 181 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: that is totally understandable. 182 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 4: And I think now she's at you know, the other 183 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 4: end of her career and you know, why should you know, 184 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 4: I feel she's she's in charge of it all now. 185 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 4: So she came on with it was such a ridiculous show. 186 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 4: It was Julia Roberts with Tom Hanks, Schaer and Timothy Shallaback. 187 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: Oh it's a good life. 188 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 3: I know, like it was probably the best lade we've 189 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 3: ever had. 190 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 4: And it happened, you know, what is it twenty five 191 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 4: twenty six years after we began, So that that's kind of, 192 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 4: you know, it feels good that the show is still 193 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 4: kind of you know, drawing those kind of guests. 194 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: How much of it Graham is casting and how much 195 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 2: of us in terms of your show putting together the 196 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: right people? Is there a lot of thought that goes 197 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: into that, thinking, Okay, this person's going to work with 198 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 2: us persons, this pison's going to work with us persons. 199 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 2: Or is it just a case of big star availability 200 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: will work around that? 201 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: I mean, it's mostly the latter. 202 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 4: It's mostly kind of once you if you have a 203 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 4: big star, then you cast the rest of the couch 204 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 4: around that. You know, you kind of think, oh, who 205 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 4: will they like? Who could sit beside them? 206 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 3: Oh? 207 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 4: You know, someone mentioned a British calm make and we're thinking, 208 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 4: not sure that's a good idea because they might rub 209 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 4: them up the wrong way? Yeah, you know, will they 210 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 4: want to sit next to a sexy person? Would they 211 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 4: rather sit next to someone? You know, all those things 212 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 4: you take into account. Now that's on a good week. 213 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 4: On a good week, yes, you discuss it. And then 214 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 4: there's other weeks where it's just like, okay, so seriously, 215 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 4: who can we get? And those are often the more 216 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 4: interesting weeks because it really is like, good luck everyone, 217 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 4: just just some stuff in a part No idea if 218 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 4: it's going to taste good, but you know, let's see 219 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 4: and and those are often the nights where there's kind 220 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 4: of unknown quantities and people kind of spark off each 221 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 4: other in kind of unexpected ways. 222 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 3: And I really like that. 223 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: I guess it's sounds like a nuty question, but I'm 224 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: thinking about it. Is it If you want people to communicate, 225 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: do you want them to be right beside each other? 226 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: So if you're positioning the couch or do you want 227 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, I've got Harrison Ford, do you want it 228 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: one end and the person you want to talk to 229 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: me at the far end or right right beside them? 230 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 4: Again, mostly beside them. But sometimes that isn't possible because 231 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 4: of the the pecking order of stars or because of 232 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 4: the products. Because if somebody's got a very serious film 233 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 4: and the other person has a very serious film, you 234 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 4: probably want to break those up with a book or 235 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 4: a sitcom or a comedy tour or something, so that 236 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 4: often plays apart. It's one of those things. We we 237 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 4: do think about this equally, we also throw it away. 238 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 4: And all the other thing is you learn, you know, 239 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 4: I think you you over time, if you're having guests back, 240 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 4: you kind of go, Okay, remember how great they were 241 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 4: with so and so, Let's try and find someone like 242 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 4: that again. 243 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: You know that kind of thing. It's always good you 244 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: keep it in the back of your minds. 245 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: Getting someone who doesn't know Miriam Margalis, for example, who's 246 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: never heard of her before it has never met her, 247 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 2: and who doesn't know there is always. 248 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 3: God, yeah, I mean the Miriam Margolize thing. We have 249 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: to be really sparing in the. 250 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 4: Amount of times we use her. Sometimes we'll look at 251 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 4: the names of on the board and we'll just think, 252 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 4: will we and we sort of break glass in case 253 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 4: of emergency and Chucky and Miriam and mostly mostly works. 254 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: And actually what's interesting is she has changed over the years. 255 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 4: I think she's sort of she takes not she doesn't 256 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 4: make herself more seriously or anything. But I think she realizes, 257 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 4: you know, that she doesn't have to be. 258 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 3: Just shocking. She can be other things. She can have, 259 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 3: you know, different opinions. 260 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be some you know out there 261 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 4: sex story about a soldier, tree or those. 262 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: Are the best that's of her book to be fit. 263 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 2: One of the best things I've ever seen on TV, 264 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: that story with the soldier and finishing him off. Of course, 265 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: when I first saw that, I never saw that coming. 266 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,599 Speaker 2: Excuse the pane. I never never thought that that was 267 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 2: going to be the ending. 268 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 4: To that, the one that we love because because often 269 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 4: we know what story she's going to do, and uh, 270 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 4: and so we we put it later in the show 271 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 4: because you know, you want it to be later because 272 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 4: children are dead. 273 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 3: And but she was with Matthew Perry and I. 274 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 4: Don't know what we were talking about, being a fan 275 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 4: of somebody or whatever, and and I don't know how 276 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 4: out there this podcast is. Okay, so it was this 277 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 4: was on our show, so I think I can say it. 278 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 4: And so she went, I remember when I was a 279 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 4: young girl, I went to see Laurence Olivier and I 280 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 4: waited the stage were offwards. He came out the stage door, 281 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 4: and I just remember I creamed my nickers and it 282 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 4: was one of the things we didn't know you was 283 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 4: going to tell the story. And I looked a bit 284 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 4: like you were saying like you did not think that's 285 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 4: where this story was going. And we're on Matthew Perry, 286 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 4: who just thought he was sitting beside you know, some 287 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 4: nice old English actress. 288 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: Sorry did I miss here? 289 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: That, yeah, because Americans look at the you know, British 290 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: people as being sort of you know, elite, elit drama. 291 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: They look up to them. I mean, I'm always amazed 292 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: how many British people are playing Americans over there, so 293 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: they must come over with the sort of some of 294 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: them must come over. I'm going to be sitting with 295 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: basically Shakespeare enthusiasts on the couch. 296 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 3: And sometimes they are like, you know, if you're on 297 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 3: beside Ian mchael and Judy Dench, you know, you do 298 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 3: get a bit of Shakespeare. Chuck did there. But I 299 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 3: think I think that where we win. 300 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 4: With Americans on the show is because they sort of 301 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 4: forget that anyone in America will see it, and they 302 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 4: sort of forget that it'll be online. And I think 303 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 4: they feel like, you know, oh, I don't need to 304 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 4: worry about this one. I can relax. And of course 305 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 4: they should worry the World Wide Web losing the name. 306 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: But I think that's part of your genius, Graham, is 307 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: that you you you kind of start things off beautifully 308 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: and then oftentimes the best moment so when the couch 309 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: just start going between themselves, and that must be a 310 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: wonderful feeling. For you just being have to sit back 311 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: and thank. 312 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, those are absolutely the best nights. 313 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 4: The best nights are when I, you know, just let 314 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 4: them go and I'm just I just have the best 315 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 4: seed in the house and the couch are talking to 316 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 4: each other, really enjoying each other. Like I remember, Kevin 317 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 4: Costner was on Kevin Costner. You know, I don't think 318 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 4: you might be saying that he's not a great guest. 319 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 4: He's not a good guest. And I was asking him 320 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 4: questions and he couldn't be less interested in me, and 321 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 4: he couldn't be less interested in answering my questions. But 322 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 4: then Helen Mirron was sat beside him and she kind 323 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 4: of asked him the same questions, and suddenly he was 324 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 4: off and he is back to me, and he just 325 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 4: told his stories to the couch and it's kind of 326 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 4: the best talk show he's ever done, you know, because 327 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 4: he he was telling his stories to other actors, not 328 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 4: to some stupid team. Yeah. 329 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: So the other thing I was keen to know is 330 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 2: because on our show, we're always looking for the optimum. 331 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: We like sampling and imbibing different things on our show. 332 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 2: At certain times, we used to have a a thing 333 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: on Friday is called massive head to steam Up Fridays, 334 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 2: where we would drink all Friday morning throughout the show 335 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: because we do a breakfast show as well, or radio 336 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 2: Briack for show, and we're always looking for that optimum zone, 337 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 2: you know, what's the perfect amount of this to really 338 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 2: get the best out of ourselves and to create the 339 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: best material we can So for you, I mean, we 340 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 2: realized it's about for us five drinks, but like for 341 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 2: you or hungover after drinking seven or eight drinks and 342 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 2: maybe a bottle of wine and then coming and hungover 343 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: the next day, but not having anything to drink for you, 344 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 2: where's the optimum zone? Are you even drinking much? You 345 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: look like you're not drinking a huge amount of wine 346 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: on set. 347 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 3: I'm really not. I'm really not. 348 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 4: What it happened years ago when I was when I 349 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 4: started doing stand up, people would say, oh, you seemed nervous. 350 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 4: That's that was often a comment from friends, not not 351 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 4: so much audiences, but friends would kind of go oh, 352 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 4: I could tell you're a little bit nervous. And then 353 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 4: I was doing a terrible corporate gig for I think 354 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 4: it was for the Australian Tourist Commission or something, or 355 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 4: maybe it was the New Zealanders, I don't know what. 356 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 4: It was somewhere down you know, your neck. 357 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 3: Of the woods. And and I had to pretend. 358 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 4: To be at this party, this reception, and then I 359 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 4: had to get up and do this bit of stand 360 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 4: up about I don't know, tourism. And so I was 361 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 4: there and to blend in, I was holding glass of 362 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 4: wine like everyone else, and I just had a couple 363 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 4: of SIPs and I think, because you're you're adrenaline is 364 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 4: kind of going, because you are nervous because you're about 365 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 4: to perform. 366 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: I could really feel the alcohol in me. 367 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 4: It was the oddest thing and and it really it 368 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 4: just took the edge off and it was a bit 369 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 4: of a Eureka moment, and I just went, Okay, I'm 370 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 4: going to do that now. If I start having a 371 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 4: second glass of wine or finishing that first glass of wine, 372 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 4: I'll stop because I think then you're in trouble because 373 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 4: then you're like, hang on, I've mixed up. I've mixed 374 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 4: up with drinking and before me, it's very dangerous. Yeah, 375 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 4: it's going to end in tears. But that was you know, 376 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 4: that must be over thirty years ago, and I still 377 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 4: just have that one glass of wine that I carry 378 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 4: on with me at the beginning of the show, and 379 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 4: I just sip it while it was on, and I. 380 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 3: Don't feel it in the same way that I used to. 381 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 4: And now I think, actually, it doesn't really help my 382 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,959 Speaker 4: nerves so much as it relaxes an audience, and it 383 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 4: relaxed the guests because they kind of think, oh, he's 384 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 4: having a nice time, like he's he's you know, he's 385 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 4: not a serious journalist. He's not gonna ask as a 386 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 4: terrible question because look, he's drinking glass. 387 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 3: Drinking glass. Vine is a fool. 388 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 4: So I think that's how my relationship with the wine 389 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 4: helps on the show now. 390 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 3: But but initially it was about me and my nerves. 391 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: Speaking about you in your in your book He Devil, 392 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: you talk about it's all about your loves and your 393 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: focus on your loves, and one of those loves you 394 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: do mention is the booze flowing freely. But you talk 395 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: about Ireland, your love of Ireland, and your friends and 396 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: music and your dogs. I mean, since you put down 397 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: that down on paper, as has that become even more 398 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: so for you that you're a person that's led led 399 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 1: by your loves. 400 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 4: I don't think it's become more true, but certainly they 401 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 4: haven't changed. 402 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think about that. But I'm going 403 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 3: to go, why do I write that chapter? Booze? I mean, 404 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: I think it was. 405 00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 4: I was sort of pleased with that as a format 406 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 4: because it's a good way to kind of just bundle 407 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 4: stories for your life together and kind of you do 408 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 4: but without doing kind of and then I and then I, yeah, memoir. 409 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 4: So it was just a nice, nice supposed to do it. 410 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 4: But I think everything in there I still still really love. 411 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: I find it quite inspirational because people normally call those interests, 412 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: and once you upgrade an interest to a love, it 413 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: gives them more legitimacy. And it's just a wholesome way 414 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: to look at the world. 415 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 3: Hey, go with passion, passion, passion poet. 416 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, hey Graham, thank you so much for your time. 417 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: We love what you do and love watching you bring 418 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: a lot of joy. Thank you so much, and and 419 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 2: bears of light with everything. 420 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 3: Okay, is there a cs I investigator behind you, Jeremy? 421 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: Oh, look that's Ellie. That's that's our entertainment. Every morning 422 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: we just look out that window at the Ellie and 423 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: crazy stuff happens. 424 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 4: You should see what okay, investigating a murder someone killed 425 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 4: in that alley upon. 426 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 2: Once Graham, we had a a competition that ran. We 427 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 2: used to have to put your ass against the glass, 428 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 2: and so people won prizes by coming by the studio here. 429 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: It was against the glass sweepstake. 430 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:08,479 Speaker 2: That's right. 431 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 3: People, would I miss that? 432 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: It could happen if you're just told on, if only 433 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: who were talking to, I'm sure they'd do it. Thank you, 434 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: thank you so much, really appreciate it.