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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's hither

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Speaker 1: dupericy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Drive with one New Zealand let's.

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Speaker 1: Get connected us talk, said bue.

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Speaker 3: Hey.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, welcome to the show coming up today. The

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Speaker 4: government's gutted the Ministry for Disabled People moved heaps of

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Speaker 4: the work over to the Ministry for Social Development. Disability

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Speaker 4: advocates are not happy at all about this. We're going

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Speaker 4: to chat to one of them. The school menu, the

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Speaker 4: lunch menu is out. Guess what, it's full of healthy

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Speaker 4: food after all. So we speak to the Minister Responsible,

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Speaker 4: David Seymour, and would you go to North Korea because

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Speaker 4: the place is reopening its borders to tourists soon. Going

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Speaker 4: to speak to someone who's.

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Speaker 2: Been there, Heather Dupicy Ellen.

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Speaker 4: So submissions are now open. You can actually have your

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Speaker 4: say on whether Eden Park should be allowed to double

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Speaker 4: the number of concerts that they have at the moment

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Speaker 4: they have six. They want to be able to hold

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Speaker 4: twelve and from me, it's absolutely a hell yes, give

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Speaker 4: them twelve concerts. It's a great place to hold a show.

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Speaker 4: I've been to a few music shows there. Now went

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Speaker 4: to Joel pink Ed Sheering and honestly because of how

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Speaker 4: good it was as a music venue. I've struggled to

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Speaker 4: remember a time when Eden Park wasn't a music venue.

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Speaker 4: It just seems really natural, like it always has been.

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Speaker 4: But that's I mean, it's not that long ago that

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Speaker 4: we let absolutely no concerts take place there. Twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: with six sixty. I need to say at this point, obviously,

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Speaker 4: in the interests of transparency, that a couple of the

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Speaker 4: shows I went to, I was there because Eden Park

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Speaker 4: impressed with it. Now, obviously it's not the only venue

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Speaker 4: that Auckland City's got there a bunch of them. And

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Speaker 4: if you want to have an open air stadium concert,

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Speaker 4: obviously you have Mount Smart. But I still reckon eden

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Speaker 4: Park beats it on a number of fronts. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's much easier to get to and from eden Park

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Speaker 4: than it is Mount Smart. Mount Smart for a really

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Speaker 4: really big show like a Harry Styles. I went there

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Speaker 4: for Harry Styles, absolute pain in the butt to get

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Speaker 4: Smart can do about forty thousand people for a live show,

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Speaker 4: Eden Park can apparently do more than fifty thousand, which

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Speaker 4: obviously means more money for Auckland city, which is a

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Speaker 4: bit that I'm rarely interested in, specially given where we

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Speaker 4: for Pink, which was the last big one at eden Park,

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Speaker 4: was apparently ninety seven percent in Auckland. That people staying

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Speaker 4: so they're bringing their money from other places in the

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Speaker 4: country in the region. It'll be even more money flowing

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Speaker 4: in for Cold Play later this year because they're only

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Speaker 4: playing Auckland. They're not playing anywhere else in the country.

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Speaker 4: So if you're in New Zealand you want to see them,

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Speaker 4: so far eden Park is doing good things for Auckland's

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Speaker 4: think of the biggest events that we've had on Auckland's

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Speaker 4: Eden Park. After Coldplay, what's on Auckland's calendars? Cool things

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Speaker 4: there's sale GP and then there's nothing else. So I'd

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Speaker 2: Heather duper Cela.

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Speaker 4: Me of submissions are open to this show as well,

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Speaker 4: for what you think. Nine two niney two standard text

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Speaker 4: fees apply now. And it turns out that someone's arigidly

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Speaker 4: allegedly tried to sell one of those meth lollies on

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Speaker 4: they've managed to find twenty nine of the lollies and

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Speaker 4: they're still trying to recover the remainder that are out there.

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Speaker 4: Chris Wilkins is a massive university drug researcher. Hey Chris Hi,

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Speaker 4: how are you going, I'm well, thank you. Now, why

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Speaker 4: do you reckon that they've come from a Mexican drug cartel?

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, it's all just speculation. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 5: So in Australia they had some very large eases of

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Speaker 5: as opposed to the more traditional markets in Southeast Asia.

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Speaker 4: Apparently the Mexicans like putting their drugs in food, Is

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I think the Mexican cartails are particularly innovative

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Speaker 4: And so how does it then end up at the

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Speaker 5: Well, that's another bit of a mystery. So I'd say,

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's pretty clear that what's happened here is

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Speaker 5: So I don't realize what that product is.

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Speaker 4: Because there was another theory which was positive. That was

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Speaker 5: I mean, who knows. I mean, we can speculate kind

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And remarkably, when you're getting it sold, like if

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Speaker 4: it in lolli form, right, you're selling it in whatever

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. So the concealing it in those packages

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, prices of myths have been declined in a New

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Speaker 4: Well, I suppose you can see why they're trying to

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Speaker 4: really appreciate your time. That's Chris Wilkins, massive university drug researcher.

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Speaker 4: Not looking good, by the way, for the gars of

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Speaker 4: peace talks which are supposed to be happening today, there's

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Speaker 4: to be fair, it was already looking like it was

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Speaker 4: going to be a really really tough, tough, tough call

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Speaker 4: to get anything out of this, because Israel's hardened its

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Speaker 4: Kamas has got a new leader now that the last

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Speaker 4: slightly raising the fears that this thing could escalate beyond

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Speaker 4: Gaza and Israel at the moment quarter past.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

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Speaker 1: Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for

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Speaker 1: business used talks at b Sport with tab get your

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Speaker 1: bed on a etem bet responsibly.

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Speaker 4: Darcy Watergrave, host of Sports Talk, is with me right now,

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Speaker 4: hey ds.

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Speaker 7: Are you going to get your bet on this weekend?

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Speaker 8: Sure?

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Speaker 4: I think why you need.

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Speaker 9: To back Adrika Stuplas is one of your countrymen right

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Speaker 9: because he's been fighting this week who's another reference African

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Speaker 9: over in Perth, Australia. And it's a comeback fight if

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Speaker 9: you will, for Isra Sunday. He's done nothing for months

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Speaker 9: and Ricus is the defending my exent, it's the defending

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Speaker 9: middleweight champion. So I think at a dollars seventy five

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Speaker 9: that's not bad for Israel and is combat fighting no

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Speaker 9: one astrailbow kick?

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Speaker 4: What's he paying?

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Speaker 9: I don't know when you're looking. Not Israel, he probably

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Speaker 9: pay a little more than that. But like if you're

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Speaker 9: over eighteen, because of course you can't go. And if

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Speaker 9: you can't and you've got to beat responsibly, we.

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Speaker 10: Know I can't.

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Speaker 7: Okay, now you've got to go down there and register.

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Speaker 9: Of the tav same with me as well. I get

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Speaker 9: your beats down there as well. They reckon third round,

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Speaker 9: possibly for a knockout for Israel. He's been an active

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Speaker 9: so I'm not sure there's probably better money on to

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Speaker 9: proceed because there'll be a lot of people in his sound.

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Speaker 9: He'll be backing Israel to get the job done. It'll

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Speaker 9: be a good card three.

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Speaker 7: It should be a lot of time to watch.

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Speaker 4: Now that's a good What do you make of Sam

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Speaker 4: Cane coming back?

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Speaker 7: They have to bring Sam Cane back.

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Speaker 9: We go back to the public again because when they

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Speaker 9: tour over there, they need a hard man with a

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Speaker 9: massive concrete shoulder like him to.

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Speaker 5: Get in there.

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Speaker 9: And actually, and I think the leadership side of things

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Speaker 9: absolutely and if you're gonna he's not going to be

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Speaker 9: around the next World Cup. But as far as that

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Speaker 4: I'm currently filling out the submissions for one hundred percent

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Speaker 4: Starting stateside, where Donald Trump has been speaking on the

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Speaker 7: So we're doing this.

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Speaker 9: As an intellectual speech.

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Speaker 14: You're all intellectuals today.

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Speaker 2: He was so bad.

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Speaker 14: to the other that their nuclear weapons are this time

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Speaker 14: not of the agenda. That is very dangerous. This crisis is,

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Speaker 14: I think, in a funny way, more dangerous than some

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Speaker 14: of the obvious fates that we've had before.

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Speaker 4: And finally, a man has broken the Guinness World Record

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Speaker 4: for the longest time without sleep after staying awake for

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Speaker 4: twelve days straight. He's a YouTuber. His name is Norm.

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Speaker 4: He pushed his limits in a stunt that actually led

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Speaker 4: to some social media outlets banning him because it's so

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Speaker 4: blinking dangerous. The nineteen year old managed to reach two

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Speaker 4: hundred and sixty four hours and twenty four minutes without sleep,

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Speaker 4: and emergency services actually were outside his house ready to intervene.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 4: Murriol's AUSI correspondents with us.

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Speaker 2: Now, hey, maus, these norms on his own.

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Speaker 15: As far as I'm concerned, mate, going to have to

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Speaker 15: do to you.

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Speaker 4: I don't even think I could do twenty six out

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Speaker 4: like I think.

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Speaker 16: I think I'll stop it.

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Speaker 15: No, I need eight or nine or ten a night.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I'm not sorry. White sometimes it's terrible doctors

461
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Speaker 4: that I need ten hours a night and they are

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Speaker 4: kind of alarmed. So anyway, you should probably go see

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Speaker 4: somebody about that, Mauz. Listen. Peter Dutton is he is

464
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Speaker 4: he actually getting traction with the stuff that he's saying

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Speaker 4: about visa applications from Gaza.

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Speaker 15: It is definitely playing to the conservative side of politics

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Speaker 15: over here. As far as he's concerned, Gaza and refugees

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Speaker 15: must not be allowed into Australia without things like biometric testing,

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Speaker 15: face to face interviews, asio assessments. The government says, listen,

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Speaker 15: pipe down. All you're doing is trying to stir up

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Speaker 15: division in the community. Dutton has repeated this call for

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Speaker 15: a temporary bannies, calling it on accepting Palestinian refugees. Now

473
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Speaker 15: the government has hit back as I say, it's a

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Speaker 15: deliberate calculation, according to Anthony ALBERONIZI to divide the Australian community.

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Speaker 15: Here's the thing. I mean, we know what's happened in Garza.

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Speaker 15: It's dreadful. Now. The government's granted nearly three thousand visitor

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Speaker 15: visas to Palestinians who have left Gaza since October seven,

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Speaker 15: but seven thousand other applicants have been turned down. Now

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Speaker 15: on Thursday, Peter Dutton saying this morning Peter Dutton's reaffirmed

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Speaker 15: his position. He went on Channel nine. He was accused

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Speaker 15: of being racist and heartless. He said, listen, what we're

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Speaker 15: trying to do is make Australian safe. But the same

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Speaker 15: argument wasn't mounted by Labor when the Coalition was in

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Speaker 15: power and Afghanistan was going straight down the toilet. There

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Speaker 15: were many, many, hundreds and hundreds of Afghanis who were

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Speaker 15: allowed into Australia on humanitarian visas, on visitor visas and

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Speaker 15: so on because it was so damn dangerous for them

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Speaker 15: because they might have been a religious minority. Yazidis came

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Speaker 15: here in their many, many hundreds, So it's a bit rich,

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Speaker 15: I think for Dutton to be saying, oh, in a

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Speaker 15: block and block them just to play. It was political

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Speaker 15: based because these are real people, their children, their mums,

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Speaker 15: They've got no future in Gaza. It's dreadful and they

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Speaker 15: want to come to Australia.

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Speaker 16: Must listen.

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Speaker 4: This shepherd crashed the chopper sounds like it was quite

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Speaker 4: out of character for him.

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Speaker 15: One hundred percent. This guy apparently was the real deal.

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Speaker 15: He's a lovely young man, twenty three years old. He

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Speaker 15: had arrived four months ago with a helicopter license from

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Speaker 15: New Zealand and he found a job as ground crew

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Speaker 15: with this helicopter company up in far North Queensland. He

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Speaker 15: was a modeled worker, according to the boss, that's the quote.

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Speaker 15: He'd just been named employee of the month. And maybe

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Speaker 15: they're trying to figure out what's happened here, but twenty

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Speaker 15: three year old Blake Wilson had celebrated that announcement. He

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Speaker 15: had been the employee of the month. They just got

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Speaker 15: a promotion. He was going out to one of the

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Speaker 15: island's Horn Island, out on the Great Barrier reef, and

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Speaker 15: that was a big deal of Pardy. Anyway, Sunday night,

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Speaker 15: he was celebrating with some colleagues the fact that he

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Speaker 15: had been he had been named a special employee of

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Speaker 15: the month and had this new job. And he was

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Speaker 15: the only one left around eight thirty that night, and

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Speaker 15: the following morning he's apparently gone out to the airport,

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Speaker 15: fired the chopper and crashed and died. And as you say,

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Speaker 15: completely out of character. They just don't know what the

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Speaker 15: hell was going on. And all the bits and pieces

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Speaker 15: of his craft. You know the relevant bits are down

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Speaker 15: in Cabra with the Australian Air Safety Transport Bureau.

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Speaker 4: Myles, thanks for running us through it, mate, really appreciate.

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Speaker 4: It's Murray Old's Australia correspondent here. The first we have

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Speaker 4: services cut for those of us with disabilities, and now

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Speaker 4: we lose our very own ministry. How much more we

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Speaker 4: expected to take the factors disabled people in Australia treated

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Speaker 4: better than we are. Look, I don't know what the

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Speaker 4: detail is with the services being cut. That would be

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Speaker 4: the thing that I'd be most upset about. But is

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Speaker 4: this really that important to have your own ministry? Because

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Speaker 4: I feel as if the this is my way, this

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Speaker 4: is my comparison to it is the ministry that would

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Speaker 4: most likely represent me, I would say, would be the

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Speaker 4: Women's Ministry. Oh my gosh, cut it? Oh need what

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Speaker 4: a waste of What do they even work on? Is

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Speaker 4: the entire thing just dedicated to the gender pay gap?

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Speaker 4: Cut it? All those people just working on the gender

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Speaker 4: pay gap? Cut it don't need a ministry. So do

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Speaker 4: you need a ministry or do you just need the

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Speaker 4: stuff landing on your doorstep that you need? We'll talk

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Speaker 4: to the Advocate when they're with us after five o'clock,

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Speaker 4: it's coming up quarter to two.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics Credit, check your customers and get payments,

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Speaker 1: certainty Very.

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Speaker 4: Soper, Senior Political Correspondence with US Barry, Hello, good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Heather Raymus has had something to say about these meth lollies.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's incredible, isn't it, The story that it's gone

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Speaker 6: around the world. Not surprisingly, he's in Sydney today ahead

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Speaker 6: of his meeting with Albanezi and Canberra tomorrow. But you'll

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Speaker 6: be pleased to hear, and you probably already know anyway,

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Speaker 6: the police recovered sixteen of the lollies, Yester, and a

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Speaker 6: further thirteen we're discovered overnight in Auckland. Apparently each packet

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Speaker 6: contained about thirty dollies. So let's hope there's only one

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Speaker 6: left out there. Let's hope there's only one packet. But

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Speaker 6: the problem is who knows. And it is really a

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Speaker 6: significant problem for this country considering the strength of these lollies,

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Speaker 6: and they're obviously aimed at and you imagine if it

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Speaker 6: was your child that inadvertently put one of these in

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Speaker 6: their mouths. But not surprising, the stories, like I said,

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Speaker 6: has made news around the world. Chris likes and says

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Speaker 6: he's deeply concerned about the danger it presents to this country.

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Speaker 17: I just want everyone in New Zealand say, this is

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Speaker 17: incredibly worrying concerning Please please please check check check that

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Speaker 17: actually what you're feeding your children are safe, and make

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Speaker 17: sure that you are aware of what these lollies are

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Speaker 17: and what they look like so that you can actually

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Speaker 17: remove them. I mean, it's incredibly worrying I think for

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Speaker 17: everybody watching that story, and we're worried about.

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Speaker 2: You know, the police can do the vescatch one out,

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Speaker 2: how the hell it actually happens.

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Speaker 17: The bigger issue right now is public safety and making

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Speaker 17: sure everyone's well.

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Speaker 2: Aware of it.

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Speaker 6: You're clearly how the hell it happened was a drug

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Speaker 6: dealer was trying to import the stuff into the country.

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Speaker 6: And I heard your drug expert on before saying that

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Speaker 6: it probably came from a Mexican cartel, which is apparently

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Speaker 6: a big player in getting methamine around this part of

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Speaker 6: the world.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, apparently. So what is the infrastructure that they've been

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Speaker 4: looking at over in Sydney.

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Speaker 6: Well, the New South Wales have been quite ahead of

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Speaker 6: the ballgame when it comes to private public partnerships and

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Speaker 6: this is what our ministers have based their fast track

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Speaker 6: legislation and the experts who will oversee this now. Traveling

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Speaker 6: with Chris Luckson was the Infrastructure or is the Infrastructure

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Speaker 6: Minister Chris Bishop, the Regional Development Minister of our old

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Speaker 6: mate Shane Jones, and the Transport Minister Sam and Brown.

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Speaker 6: They were all standing with Chris Lush he was talking

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Speaker 6: to the media today. Like I said, they've based their

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Speaker 6: plan on the Australian experience and in particular New South Wales.

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Speaker 6: Basically they're wanting cross party support for the big projects

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Speaker 6: after an expert panel decides what are the most important

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Speaker 6: to proceed With Chris Bishop from Sydney.

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Speaker 18: The purpose of the Infrastructure Priority List is to pull

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Speaker 18: out independently assessed, credible projects that the country needs over

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Speaker 18: the next five, ten, fifteen, twenty years. That idea that

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Speaker 18: we're developing in New Zealand has been taken from Infrastructure

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Speaker 18: Australia and also Infrastructure in South Wales. We spent a

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Speaker 18: bit of time talking about that with them this morning

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Speaker 18: and that also goes I think to the point around

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Speaker 18: building a more bipartisan pipeline and projects. If you have

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Speaker 18: a independently verified list of projects that infrastructure experts have

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Speaker 18: said this is what the country or in this case,

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Speaker 18: the state needs, then political parties can then get behind

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Speaker 18: those projects in government or in opposition.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, good luck for that. That's the problem I

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Speaker 6: think with infrastructure in this country. That they announced very

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Speaker 6: big plans and I'm not just saying the National Party,

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Speaker 6: but certainly Labor did and we know that here in

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Speaker 6: Auckland announced the big plans and of course another government

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Speaker 6: comes along and changes them. So this would be certainly

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Speaker 6: a political change if the Labor Party got on board

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Speaker 6: with what these are doing. But be announcements as I

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Speaker 6: understand it, made within the next couple of weeks about

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Speaker 6: this expert panel that will decide who gets a priority

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Speaker 6: when it comes to infrastructure being built in this country.

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Speaker 4: Do you see how popular the charter schools are proving?

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Speaker 7: Oh incredible, isn't it really?

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Speaker 6: Seventy eight applications have come in to open the new

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Speaker 6: charter schools and essentially the brainchild or the pet project

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Speaker 6: of the Associate Education Minister David Seymour. Funding this year's

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Speaker 6: budget only allows though for fifteen new schools and thirty

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Speaker 6: five state call schools to be maybe converted converted, which

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Speaker 6: leaves twenty eight not being funded through next year. And

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Speaker 6: the sponsored these schools, so there will be a lot

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Speaker 6: of disappointed people out there. But they will be starting

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Speaker 6: next year, which is quite extraordinary. And you know a

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Speaker 6: lot of people ask me what is a charter school. Well, essentially,

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Speaker 6: it's a school that decides it's own curriculum, but they

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Speaker 6: have to keep up. They have to keep up with

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Speaker 6: other schools in the system, so they're judged frequently on

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Speaker 6: they have their own curriculum, the hours and days of operation,

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Speaker 6: and the government structure is quite separate from the state.

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Speaker 6: But look, it is an interesting concept. There's still a

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Speaker 6: couple going that Labour didn't get their hands on when

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Speaker 6: they were in government.

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Speaker 4: Are they the ones run by Willie Jackson?

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure that he doesn't know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that maybe because he, Yeah, Labor hates them,

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Speaker 4: but Willy loves the turns out. Hey, thank you, Barry,

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Speaker 4: appreciate it very so. Per senior political correspondent news Dogs.

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Speaker 1: At B putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the

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Speaker 1: mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 19: Almost out of nowhere came Adrian Oran's Monetary Committee and

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Speaker 19: told us all the stuff he said last time seemed

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Speaker 19: to have changed and the cuts that were coming next

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Speaker 19: year are coming now. To the Governor Adriana's with.

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Speaker 20: Us, We're said, We're are now far more confident as

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Speaker 20: a minetary policy committee that inflation, inflation expectations and pricetting

650
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Speaker 20: behavior are now consistent with us being able to ease

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Speaker 20: off on the monetary restrict.

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Speaker 19: Last time we heard from you and May, you weren't

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Speaker 19: cutting till next year. Yesterday you did.

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Speaker 2: That's a dramatic backdown.

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Speaker 20: Well, no, I think plenty of time and plenty of

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Speaker 20: information has happened since May, and we've also communicated that

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Speaker 20: as well.

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Speaker 19: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 19: the Rain Driver of the Laugh News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 4: Hey, looks like Kim dot Com is due to be deported.

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Speaker 4: But you know, before you get excited, there's the usual caveat.

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Speaker 4: He is going to slow it down and appeal. But

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Speaker 4: Paul Goldsmith has confirmed that he signed a warrant for

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Speaker 4: dot COM's deportation. He says he's received extensive advice from

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Speaker 4: the Ministry of Justice on this matter. I considered all

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Speaker 4: the information carefully have decided that mister dot Com should

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Speaker 4: be surrendered to the US to face trial. Dot Com

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Speaker 4: is going to appeal this decision, and he says Paul

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Speaker 4: Goldsmith's decision, so New Zealand was an obedient US colony

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Speaker 4: in the South Pacific. Call cool. You just you keep

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Speaker 4: on smack talking US, mate while you're here. That sounds

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Speaker 4: really awesome anyway, So keep an eye on that, because

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Speaker 4: it's not going to happen very fast, is it if

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Speaker 4: he's busy appealing the school lunches. So the sample recipes

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Speaker 4: of the healthy school lunches have been revealed. And despite

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Speaker 4: all of the cries about how this was going to

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Speaker 4: be unhealthy and we were going to be starving children

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Speaker 4: who only get one meal a day, blah blah blah,

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Speaker 4: it's actually not that bad. So they're getting things like

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Speaker 4: hidden vegetable butter, chicken chicken burger, rap, creamy chicken pasta bake.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I could eat this stuff, Mexican rice and

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Speaker 4: bean burrito, savory mince with roasted seasonal veggies.

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Speaker 16: This is I mean.

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Speaker 4: David Seymore had said that it was going to move

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Speaker 4: into more of the sandwich space, but he's obviously over

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Speaker 4: delivering and here's the amazing bit about it still apparently

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Speaker 4: for three dollars a meal. So I feel like the

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Speaker 4: people who were having a winge about this kind of

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Speaker 4: and I said to them at time, I was like,

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Speaker 4: I think you're getting ahead of yourselves. You've got to

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Speaker 4: see the detail before you actually criticize, Like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: they criticizing it. I feel like they've got egg on

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Speaker 4: their faces because David Seymour, by the looks of things,

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Speaker 4: as managing to deliver a healthy meal for three dollars

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Speaker 4: while saving around one hundred and seven million dollars a year.

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Speaker 4: What's not to like. He's with us ten past five.

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Speaker 4: But next, let's talk about the Ministry for Disabled People.

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Speaker 4: News Talks at b.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and.

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Speaker 2: Give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather due to Clan drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected and News Talks.

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Speaker 2: Said be.

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Speaker 4: Afternoons. So the government's announced it's going to gut the

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Speaker 4: Ministry for Disabled People. The place has apparently not been

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Speaker 4: delivering services consistently around the country, operating some sort of

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Speaker 4: post code lottery, and it's also blowing its budget by

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Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty million dollars this year. So the

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Speaker 4: government's decided to move the disability support services away from

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Speaker 4: the Ministry and instead to the Ministry for Social Development.

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Speaker 4: Peter Reynolds is the CEO of the New Zealand Disability

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Speaker 4: these Support networking with us. He Peter hi Heather not

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Speaker 4: keen on us.

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Speaker 15: No, not at all.

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Speaker 21: There's a big difference between overspending and underfunding. What we're

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Speaker 21: seeing is for over a decade a sector that has

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Speaker 21: been underfunded consistently. The way Fai Karha, the Ministry for

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Speaker 21: Disabled People was set up in the first place, it

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Speaker 21: was never funded properly to do the job. So of

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Speaker 21: course you're going to see from one perspective overspending. But

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Speaker 21: we're saying, well, hell, if you don't put enough money

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Speaker 21: into the system, what do you call it?

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Speaker 4: Well, didn't the government just check another billion dollars into

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Speaker 4: the system at.

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Speaker 21: The last budget one point one billion, yes, and eighty

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Speaker 21: million of that was to bail Thai Kaha out because

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Speaker 21: they ran out of money.

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Speaker 4: So it's obviously so it's not of an underfunding problem.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's a billion dollars right there.

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Speaker 21: Well, The trouble is is about two point one billion

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Speaker 21: dollars worth of expenditure needed. So it is an issue

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Speaker 21: and it's fair to look into that and say, well,

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Speaker 21: why have we got that increased demand? We know, for example,

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Speaker 21: in residential services one of the areas that's been highlight

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Speaker 21: by the review as a part that needs to be

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Speaker 21: cut back at, the increasing complexity and age range of

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Speaker 21: disabled people needing that level of support has been increasing heavily.

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Speaker 21: So with that added complexity, where else do those people

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Speaker 21: go if they need that level of support? What are

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Speaker 21: they supposed to do? Do they turn up to an

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Speaker 21: old folks harme? Do they go to the local emergency

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Speaker 21: department at the hospital? If the services aren't available to

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Speaker 21: support disabled people, then what are they supposed to do?

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Speaker 4: In terms of what's happened today, which is moving the

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Speaker 4: services delivery from this ministry to another ministry. Is that

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Speaker 4: necessarily a bad idea to move it to another ministry

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Speaker 4: that it can actually deliver?

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Speaker 21: Not necessarily, but I guess we've got a question mark

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Speaker 21: over its capacity to deliver. Clearly, I Faikaha had struggled.

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Speaker 21: They haven't been set up right in the first place,

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Speaker 21: then they're never going to be able to achieve what

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Speaker 21: they need to. But our experience, I mean, across our

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Speaker 21: sector are about eight different funders for different contracts. It's

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Speaker 21: all quite COMPLEXMSD are one of those funders now. As

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Speaker 21: recently as June thirtieth, three contracts expired across a couple

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Speaker 21: one hundred providers. No replacement contract was issued for two months.

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Speaker 21: That's two months that those providers didn't receive any funding

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Speaker 21: and didn't have a contract to provide the service to

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Speaker 21: the people in their care. That just doesn't give me

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Speaker 21: a hell of a lot of confidence that MASD are

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Speaker 21: in the right position to be able to do this.

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Speaker 4: Peter, listen, thank you for talking us through to really

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Speaker 4: appreciate it. Peter Reynolds, the CEO of the Disability Support.

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Speaker 2: Network Together dupleic ellen So curries, past.

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Speaker 4: The dishes, burritos and sandwiches are just some of the

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Speaker 4: options that are going to be on the menu for

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Speaker 4: next year for the school lunch program. The Associate Minister

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Speaker 4: of Education, David Seymour, who's in charge of this, is

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Speaker 4: with me. Hello David, Hi, are you providing all of

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Speaker 4: these hot meals for three bucks a meal?

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Speaker 8: Well, there's been early market indications of what people might

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Speaker 8: ender to provide. And certainly the expert advisory group we've

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Speaker 8: had these are people that work in logistics and catering

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Speaker 8: at a commercial level. They believe that it's possible that

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Speaker 8: we're going to land contracts like that. You'd be amazed.

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Speaker 8: I know, lunch can be expensive, but when you buy

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Speaker 8: lunch for two hundred and fifty thousand people every day,

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Speaker 8: you can get some better deals. By contrast, the previous

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Speaker 8: government was doing quarter of a million meals a day,

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Speaker 8: paying up to eight dollars sixty. I've got people that

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Speaker 8: work in my office and the beehive who say, man,

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Speaker 8: I do meal prep for the week and I don't

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Speaker 8: budget that much for my lunch. It just shows how

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Speaker 8: much money was being wasted previously.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how is it possible to get that level of efficiency?

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Speaker 4: What's going is it smaller portions? What's going on?

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Speaker 8: It's just that you're buying such large amounts. So I mean,

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Speaker 8: if you are running logistics and delivery, if you're running storage,

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Speaker 8: if you're doing cooking, it's always going to be cheaper

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Speaker 8: to do big deals on large amounts. And if you

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Speaker 8: talk to people like we've had somebody associated with Yman.

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Speaker 8: You know, they do about eight thousand meals a day,

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Speaker 8: just got really good at doing it at scale, beatiful

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Speaker 8: to people at kids can charitably supported. They actually budget

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Speaker 8: two dollars per kid per day for their meal, So

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Speaker 8: you know, I can understand it's kind of surprisingly seem

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Speaker 8: like small amounts of money, especially if you've been living

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Speaker 8: through the inflation of the last few years and the

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Speaker 8: amount things cost. But no, these people have hired that

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Speaker 8: know what they're doing and do it for a job

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Speaker 8: every day. Believe it's possible. Now we're putting out the

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Speaker 8: tender and there's every reason to believe that we're going

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Speaker 8: to be able to deliver what's been indicated at the

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Speaker 8: prices that have been indicated.

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Speaker 4: David, what's up with your new Ministry for Regulation needing

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Speaker 4: five communications staff?

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Speaker 8: Well, first of all, who are they communicating to? Actually,

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Speaker 8: a lot of it is listening. So for example, we're

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Speaker 8: doing a red tape reduction drive on early childhood, which

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Speaker 8: is terribly over regulated. They've had over a thousand people

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Speaker 8: engaged with that so far, and then there's also regulators

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Speaker 8: across it.

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Speaker 4: Are you telling me the comm staff are listening to people?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, because it's not just communications for journalism that you

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Speaker 8: might be familiar with. It's communications with a range of

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Speaker 8: different stakeholders, including the regulated parties that are part of

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Speaker 8: sector reviews, and eventually their job is going to be

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Speaker 8: to communicate with regulate tours across government. So it's not

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Speaker 8: just answering the phone when a journo rings up, which

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Speaker 8: I'm sure you'll be familiar with. What portion of communication

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Speaker 8: and the wider sense.

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Speaker 4: What proportion of these comm staff are just media staff.

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Speaker 8: That I couldn't tell you, but as I understand it,

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Speaker 8: the job couldn't well, it could be, but they at

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Speaker 8: least have to spend some of their time doing kinds

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Speaker 8: of communication.

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Speaker 4: You're the guys who went hard at the Ministry of

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Speaker 4: Education for having too many communications stuff and at Health

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Speaker 4: New Zealand as well. This looks a bit hypocritical, doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 8: I don't think so, because if it was five people

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Speaker 8: answering the phone as pre secretaries for journalists that run up,

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Speaker 8: I'd be pretty alarmed. But they assure me that that's

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Speaker 8: not the purpose. And if you want further proof that

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Speaker 8: we don't have a whole lot of people doing comms

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Speaker 8: for journalists, why are they trying me are here to

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Speaker 8: do the defense of them rather than having all of

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Speaker 8: these supposed press secretary story hie them.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they're not an idea. David, thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: I really appreciate your time. Mate this David Seamore, the

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Speaker 4: Associate Ministry of Education together do to see Alan John

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Speaker 4: Kerwin is going to be with us on the all

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Speaker 4: black selections shortly. Yeah, so this is what's going on. Okay.

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Speaker 4: The Taxpayers Union is not happy with ACT about it.

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Speaker 4: That's news in itself because usually they like to cheerlead ACT.

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Speaker 4: Not badly. I think it's just because they sort of

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Speaker 4: share the same way of thinking. But this time not

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Speaker 4: happy with ACT at all because not only is the

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Speaker 4: Ministry for Regulation recruiting five media stuff and come on,

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Speaker 4: of course they're media staff that communications stuff. They do

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Speaker 4: a bit of internal cammunications, do a bit of listening. Instead,

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Speaker 4: they're not really going to be engaging with stakeholders. That's

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Speaker 4: not really what comms people are for. And then they

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Speaker 4: are press secretaries that's at least part of their job.

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Speaker 4: Not only are they hiring five, but they're hiring a

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Speaker 4: principal advisor engagement and communications. Salary expectation up to one

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Speaker 4: hundred and sixty eight thousand dollars a year, and the

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Speaker 4: Taxpayer's Union says this government, but particularly Act was elected

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Speaker 4: to slash waste, but recruiting five comm staff at what

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Speaker 4: should be our leanest ministry tells another story quarter past. Hey,

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Speaker 4: we all want to be the best, but not all

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Speaker 4: of us get to say that we are the best.

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Speaker 4: One company, though, that can proudly claim this accolade is

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Speaker 4: One New Zealand. They've just been named as having the

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Speaker 4: best mobile network in the country. Forget this the third

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Speaker 4: year running. The award was handed out in May by

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Speaker 4: independent benchmarking organization UMLAUT, which tests and compares more than

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Speaker 4: two hundred mobile networks worldwide, and of the three major

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Speaker 4: key we tell cos, One New Zealand's mobile network performed

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Speaker 4: the best. They came out on top for voice and data,

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874
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875
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878
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Speaker 4: mobile network that keeps us connected. So if you'd like

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Speaker 2: Dupu sy Ellen.

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00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 4: All right, Well wait, sir John Cowan, can you please

883
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 4: answer your phone because we want to talk to him.

884
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 4: He's not answering his phone, and we want to talk

885
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 4: to him about what's going on with Raizer Robinson's changes

886
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 4: that he's made. And basically my question obviously is going

887
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 4: to be why on Earth is TJ back? But yeah,

888
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 4: if you're listening, or if you're a mate of John

889
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 4: and you're listening, can you text John and tell him

890
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 4: we'll try. That's us trying to call him from the block,

891
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 4: the weirdo blocked number that usually only is reserved for

892
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 4: scammers and the cops and your boss. So yeah, thank you.

893
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 4: If you could organize that, we'll try to talk to him.

894
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 4: We're going to talk to Mark Kreisel actually in about

895
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 4: sixteen minutes time, because Mark has been to North Korea. Now, Mark,

896
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 4: of course, if you know who is that, Mark is

897
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 4: a former TV as Its Sunday journalist who's been to

898
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 4: North Korea to work North Korea. You will have hurt

899
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 4: as decided it's going to reopen its border to tourists

900
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 4: being closed for five years, and from December, they're going

901
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 4: to start letting people back in, which begs the question

902
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 4: do you want to go to North Korea?

903
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 16: Now?

904
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 4: My answer obviously immediately is yes. But then I do

905
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 4: some weird things from time to time, like deliberately get

906
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 4: myself involved with I don't know, like I order a

907
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 4: gun online and get myself in trouble with the cops.

908
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 4: You know, I make some bad decisions in my life.

909
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 4: Just put it like that, other people who are more

910
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 4: cautious might not want to go to North Korea. Or

911
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: get his take because he's been actually incidentally used to

912
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 4: live down the road from Gareth Morgan and Joe Morgan,

913
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 4: both of whom are known for doing weird stuff, and

914
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 4: they were going to go and being brave and wild

915
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 4: and things like that. They were going to go to

916
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 4: North Korea, and they invited me and I said yes.

917
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 4: And then for some reason, and I don't know what

918
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Speaker 4: it was, maybe I don't know what happened, something came

919
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 4: up and I couldn't go with them, And to this

920
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 4: day I regret it and wish I did anyway, So

921
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Speaker 4: he's with us just after the half past five years.

922
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Speaker 4: Now we've got our first assessment and this is going

923
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Speaker 4: to be a regular thing of whether the New Zealand

924
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 4: is adapting to climate change fast enough. This has been

925
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 4: done by the Climate Commission and apparently, what a surprise, No,

926
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Speaker 4: we're not. And it's obvious that we're not adapting to

927
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Speaker 4: climate change fast enough because the Esk Valley got flooded

928
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Speaker 4: by floods that are apparently caused by climate change. We

929
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Speaker 4: can run you through the details of that when I

930
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Speaker 4: get a chance. Got sir JK on the line with

931
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Speaker 4: us right now. JK, Hello, how are you doing very well?

932
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Speaker 4: Thank you? Why is TJ back?

933
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: Well? I think that's a really really interesting team I've

934
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: just managed to look at. I think because there's an

935
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 3: old All Black saying that says, you can play badly once,

936
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 3: but if you play badly twice, you're probably never going

937
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 3: to make it the game. So when I was an

938
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: All Black, one of the things we knew was that

939
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 3: if we had a bad day, then we'd probably get

940
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Speaker 3: another chance. Normally, what happens is, though we had one

941
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Speaker 3: the other night.

942
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Speaker 15: Then.

943
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Speaker 3: You know the guys that played badly, probably didn't wouldn't

944
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 3: be as much highlighted. So I think it comes back

945
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 3: to some some old or black things that that that

946
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 3: I actually believe in, because I you know, it's now

947
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 3: up to TJ. Pirenara to get out there and and

948
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 3: you know, he'll be disappointed himself in the game he

949
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 3: played last week, and so he'll he'll get out there

950
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 3: and make amends or he'll be under some real pressure.

951
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: So that's that's probably why he's out there. The Anton

952
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: Lennard Brown one is probably your next question either. Is

953
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: that correct?

954
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 4: I was actually to ask you about Sam Kine and

955
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Speaker 4: whether he was but give me the Anton Lennon Brown

956
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 4: because I think it's probably more interesting because you were

957
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 4: thinking about it.

958
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think I think that's a hard one.

959
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 3: I thought he was one of the players of the

960
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 3: game last week, and he's still in He's still in

961
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 3: the starting lineup, so that's that's probably you go, Okay,

962
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: then he's going to come on as an impact The

963
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: Sam Kaine is another really interesting one. I think that's

964
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 3: about his leadership. You know, I don't see Sam as

965
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 3: an impact player anymore. You know, back in his early

966
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: days he used to come on for Richard mccaugh and

967
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 3: that was cool. But I think what happened last week

968
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: is probably more around his leadership late and having that

969
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 3: cool head sometimes, you know. I think the last ten

970
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 3: or twelve minutes, and this leadership group is young, right,

971
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: so the last ten or twelve minutes, they probably needed

972
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 3: an old head out there. So I think what they'd

973
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 3: do is they put him out there the last fifteen

974
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 3: to twenty minutes. If it comes down to.

975
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 22: The wire, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

976
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 4: I mean he's got a fair few caps under his belt, right,

977
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 4: so he will know what to do. Jk's good to

978
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 4: talk to you. Thank you, sir, John Cowan, former All Black.

979
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: Five twenty three Heather Duplessy Ellen cutting through the noise

980
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: to get the facts. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with

981
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: one New Zealand, let's get connected and news talk as

982
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: they'd be.

983
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 4: Six pass five. Tell you what if you want to

984
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 4: watch a country with with a big crime problem at

985
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 4: the moment, cracked down on it, watch Britain at the minute.

986
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 4: A judge has just sent a woman to jail for

987
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 4: those riots last week. She wasn't even at the riots,

988
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 4: she was just behind her computer. She was just a

989
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 4: keyboard warrior. She wrote online that mosques should be blown up.

990
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 4: And as a result of just saying that, fifteen months

991
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 4: in the Slanner, fifteen months in the Slamner, She's not

992
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 4: alone actually in coppying a harsh punishment. Quite a few

993
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 4: have been sentenced now. I had to look through their sentences.

994
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 4: Of the ones who were actually at the riots, who

995
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 4: are adults, the shortest sentence I could see was for

996
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 4: eight months, and that was for racially aggravated intentional harassment.

997
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 4: So as far as I can tell, there's not even

998
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 4: punching anyone, that's not throwing a chair, that's just just

999
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 4: verbally harassing somebody by the sounds of things. And that's

1000
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 4: eight months. And some of those guys have been sent

1001
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 4: to the slam of three years. Now. This didn't happen

1002
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 4: because there is one rogue, tough judge sitting there having

1003
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 4: a crack at them. This is happening because they are

1004
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 4: deliberately in the UK sending a very clear message about

1005
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 4: their tolerance as a country for like that. Just this

1006
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 4: week the Home Secretary said people in the UK have

1007
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 4: lost their respect for the police, and then said, as

1008
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 4: well as punishing them, we must take action to restore

1009
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 4: respect for the police and restore respect for the law. Now,

1010
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 4: doesn't that sound like the same kind of thing that

1011
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 4: we're dealing with in this country? Obviously not the riots,

1012
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 4: but just that attitude to the law. Here, we've got

1013
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 4: the same kind of thumbing of the nose, the same

1014
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 4: kind of old just get a cultural report that outlines

1015
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 4: my difficult childhood and I say I'm really sorry, and

1016
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 4: the judge will give me a seventy five percent discount

1017
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 4: type attitude. Now, yes, our government is addressing that, and

1018
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 4: thank goodness for that. They're going to force the judges

1019
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 4: essentially to hand down tougher sentences, and I'm sure that

1020
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 4: will have an impact. But I'm also keen to say,

1021
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 4: see what happens in the UK with this hardline approach,

1022
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 4: whether it lasts, whether it's only limited to the riots,

1023
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 4: whether the public applaud it, and whether it dissuades similar

1024
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 4: future action, because we have been told for a very

1025
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 4: long time now that harsher punishment actually does not deter crime.

1026
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 4: So let's see if.

1027
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: It does ever do. For see Allen, Right, We're going to.

1028
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 4: Chat to Mark Kreisel about North Korea shortly, and also

1029
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 4: a Quantus pilot has given a few tips. It's soly short.

1030
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 4: It's just three tips for how you can make your

1031
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 4: plane trip better for you, and they are actually really practical.

1032
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 4: Here's one, here's one. Dress up. It actually pays to

1033
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 4: dress up because science has proven that people who dress

1034
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 4: better get better treatments. So if you're gonna get if

1035
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 4: you dress up, you might be the one getting an upgrade.

1036
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 4: Two more for you.

1037
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: Shortly hard questions, strong opinion, Heather due for see Alan

1038
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand.

1039
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: Let's get connected and news talk as it'd be.

1040
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 4: Pay the immigration ministers. Because he's doing a speech at

1041
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 4: the moment, there have been suspicions that she might crack

1042
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 4: down on migrants and just try to get those numbers

1043
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 4: coming back. We're gonna check in with Alan McDonald's. It's

1044
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 4: at the EMA. We'll check in with him. He's there

1045
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 4: after six o'clock and just find out what's going on. Heither.

1046
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 4: I was greeting my daughter at an airport and a

1047
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 4: man wearing a dressing gown came off the plane, and

1048
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 4: many hours later we went the local pub for tea

1049
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 4: and the dressing gown man was still there in his

1050
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 4: dressing gown. Tell me that's because he was in business class.

1051
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 4: He didn't have to dress up to get a promotion

1052
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 4: up up the plane, right, he was already there. So

1053
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,479
Speaker 4: it's like just whatever I reckon. You can tell who's

1054
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 4: in business class sometimes by just how scruffy they are,

1055
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 4: and like the number of track pands in business class,

1056
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 4: it's disproportionate to the rest of the plane. Here's another

1057
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 4: tip from the former Quantus captain. Invest in noise canceling headphones.

1058
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 4: Not only because you can cut out the engine noise

1059
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 4: and the screaming cads and all of that stuff, and

1060
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 4: what is a very noisy environment just becomes beautiful and peaceful.

1061
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 4: But also, he says, because the noise levels on airplanes

1062
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 4: actually make the food taste worse. This, he says, is

1063
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 4: a scientific fact. So you're gonna enjoy your food a

1064
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 4: lot more if things are quiet. Makes sense to me.

1065
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 4: Huddle standing by twenty three away.

1066
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: From six Heather do for Sels.

1067
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 4: North Korea is set to allow tourists back into the

1068
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 4: country after nearly five years of COVID restrictions. The country

1069
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 4: has two main tourism operators, and these guys are going

1070
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 4: to start the trips again from December this year, the

1071
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 4: last set of two to visit the country where Russian

1072
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 4: in an attempt to strengthen diplomatic ties. Now Mark Kreisel

1073
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 4: is a former Tivansat Sunday journalists who's actually traveled to

1074
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 4: North Korea before. He's with me now in studio Hay Mark. Hello, Heather,

1075
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 4: how would you go? Well, first of all, how are

1076
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 4: you very well? Nice to see your face? Yeah, Now,

1077
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 4: would you go there as a tourist?

1078
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 23: I would recommend it?

1079
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 4: I would.

1080
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 23: I've been so I don't need to go back, and

1081
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 23: I'm happy about this.

1082
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 4: Is it the once? Is it a visit once?

1083
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 23: It's like going to the moon.

1084
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 24: Every other country in the world is pretty much the

1085
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Speaker 24: same now because the globalization, same shops, things like faces

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Speaker 24: and language is a different, but the experiences can be

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Speaker 24: the same. North Korea is like going to the moon,

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00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 24: and when you go inside, it's like being sealed in

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Speaker 24: a tupperware container.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, you don't need to go back because you've

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Speaker 4: been there. I've never been there. Should I go?

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Speaker 3: Go?

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Speaker 24: To be brave and go because it's fascinating. Yeah, And

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Speaker 24: that's one of the great things about travel. Isn't it

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Speaker 24: that you go to places that people haven't been before.

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Speaker 24: We were lucky enough to go to places that no

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Speaker 24: foreigners that have ever been before in North Korea. And what

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Speaker 24: you'll see is what they want you to see when

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Speaker 24: you go. You'll see peong Yang, which is like a

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Speaker 24: looks like a set in the Jetsons or something like that.

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Speaker 24: But just be aware that you'll be followed and watched

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Speaker 24: and monitored with everything you do. We were in our

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Speaker 24: rooms in a place called Sanuju in the north, just

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Speaker 24: near over the river from Dandong and China, and we said,

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Speaker 24: because we've had all our books taken office at the border.

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Speaker 24: We said, we're sitting in the room my cameraman and

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Speaker 24: producer Luisa, and I said, oh, man, I wish we'd

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Speaker 24: brought some cards. The next morning, they brought us some cards.

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Speaker 4: Have they got microphones or just microphones? I don't know.

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Speaker 23: I guess I don't know. God, I would hope they

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Speaker 23: didn't have cameras.

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Speaker 4: Did you jump out of the shower so fast and

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Speaker 4: get dressed so fast?

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Speaker 23: No, I'm not shy.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you've got new tendencies.

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Speaker 23: They're only human.

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Speaker 4: What's there to see?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 23: It's just fascinating to be in another culture.

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Speaker 24: They have monuments, They have monuments so that those monuments

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Speaker 24: of the two leaders are incredible, But you have to

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Speaker 24: be so careful that you don't do anything silly around

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Speaker 24: them or disrespect what they were assuming to be disrespectful.

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Speaker 24: I took a photo of my cameraman, Martin, in front

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Speaker 24: of a big portrait in our lobby of the two

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Speaker 24: first two leaders who are revered. I went up to

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Speaker 24: my bedroom. There was a knock at my door. Who

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Speaker 24: was Two policemen wanted to see the photo. Oh yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 24: so you become well I did. I became quite paranoid

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Speaker 24: and claustrophobic. So it's quite happy to leave the country

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00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 24: when we did. But we were, like I say, going

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Speaker 24: to places that were where foreigners don't normally go.

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00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 23: We had a big entourage with us.

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Speaker 24: The people who said they were scientists and journalists, they

1135
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 24: were probably secret police people things like that. So we

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00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 24: couldn't we couldn't leave our hotel without an escort.

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Speaker 4: So it's not a relaxing place. It's not like going

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00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 4: to feed But they have.

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Speaker 24: A ski resort there, which is apparently they're really good

1140
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 24: and they're poured money into it. And apparently the beaches

1141
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Speaker 24: are quite nice, because remember when Trump had his meeting

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Speaker 24: with Kim John Corn in Singapore, he pitched condos on

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Speaker 24: the beach there, so apparently the beaches are quite nice.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, I don't know that you've sold it

1145
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 4: to me, but I suppose just once to be brave,

1146
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 4: once you've seen everything else in the world, Right, you

1147
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 4: could go there and try.

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Speaker 23: This one when you're eighty on a bus.

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00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, go to North Korea. But do it when

1150
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 4: you're young so you can run away.

1151
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Speaker 23: Just don't drop my name here, Mike.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much appreciated, and I'm glad you made

1153
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 4: it out in one piece. Mark Kreisel, journalist who's obviously

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00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 4: been there nineteen away from Sex.

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Speaker 4: On the Huddle with me. Mark Sainsbury, journalists and broadcaster,

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Speaker 4: and Ellie Jones read prre Hello you too get eight

1159
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 4: Yeah Sainso would you go yeah?

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Speaker 16: Oh yeah, I mean guess Mark's I don't remember when

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Speaker 16: he went. I was so jealous because it's just one

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Speaker 16: of those it's just one of those sort of it's

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Speaker 16: just so weird. And as Mark was saying that we

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Speaker 16: were can go these days, it is so different.

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Speaker 11: We have a McDonald's.

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Speaker 4: Okay, what about you, allie, I'm starting to get vibe here.

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Speaker 4: Ali that the people who would go to North Korea

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Speaker 4: are journalists but normal people wouldn't. So what about you?

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Speaker 25: Oh no, no, I definitely I've been to South Korea.

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Speaker 25: I found that really interesting and different. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 25: extremely westernized. Yeah, very different, but I mean the language

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Speaker 25: is still similar, you know, those sorts of things. But yes,

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Speaker 25: of course i'd go if if you look, if you've

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Speaker 25: got to try things, as you said, well said, go

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Speaker 25: while you're young enough to run away, I mean, go

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Speaker 25: while you can and experience something different.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, why not? Here's the thing those saying so like,

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Speaker 4: sometimes I find that that a holiday in a place

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Speaker 4: that speaks English and is part of the Old Empire

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Speaker 4: is quite easy to kind of like, it's an easy holiday,

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Speaker 4: right because the culture is kind of the same, and

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Speaker 4: the further away the culture gets from your own, the

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Speaker 4: more challenging the holiday can be and less relaxing. And

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Speaker 4: I feel like this is the extreme.

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Speaker 7: Of that day.

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Speaker 15: Oh he used to be here.

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Speaker 16: When you used to travel and when you're on assignment

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Speaker 16: and going to different countries, or when I was a

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Speaker 16: foreign correspondent, begang. So you would attempt to try and

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Speaker 16: you know a bit of the language, just so you

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Speaker 16: didn't turn up looking like an didn't understand anything. But

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Speaker 16: there's less and less incentive to do that now as

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Speaker 16: you go over in English. Everyone speaks English, and so

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Speaker 16: you're not immersing yourself into that sort of different cultural experience.

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Speaker 16: And I think this is I think this is this

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Speaker 16: is a different cop This would go into that who's

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Speaker 16: the guy who wrote their Holidays and hell book?

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Speaker 12: You know, the American and needs to.

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Speaker 11: Go after all? Just anywhere there.

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Speaker 15: No, no, I know Bill Bryson.

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Speaker 3: Oh what is his name? He started?

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Speaker 16: Anyway, I'll think of it the same when.

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Speaker 4: You think of it, so I know it your age,

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Speaker 4: it takes a little longer.

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Speaker 16: Well, let us know I've past that sixty threshold where

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Speaker 16: there's been big changes.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's right, you aged sixty two. Right, Hey ellie,

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Speaker 4: what do you make of the school lunches?

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Speaker 16: Mean?

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Speaker 4: You don't look that bad, does it?

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Speaker 25: I think it looks great. I look I'm a big foodie.

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Speaker 25: Husband's and ex chef. I do like doing things on

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Speaker 25: a budget. You wouldn't believe how many meals I can

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Speaker 25: get out of a chicken, So I really liked it.

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Speaker 4: I do under though whether some.

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Speaker 25: Of those sort of spicy beanie type things are not

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Speaker 25: going to spin kids wheels, but I was pleased to

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Speaker 25: see that they're clearly checking them for the nutritional value

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Speaker 25: and the appeal to those who want to eat them.

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Speaker 4: I think it looks really good. Yeah, I wonder saying

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Speaker 4: so if the people who were criticizing kind of got

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Speaker 4: a little ahead of this and maybe just a little

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Speaker 4: embarrassed because this is not that bad.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean it looked to be fair when it

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00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 16: first came out. I'll look at those those terrible people

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Speaker 16: they're cutting to school lunches. So the concept I think

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Speaker 16: was quite challenging. But one they've sort of come out,

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Speaker 16: I said, I think, okay, if you can do it,

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Speaker 16: and it's interesting that it's sort of trying to deliver

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Speaker 16: what was it, another one hundred ten teams, one hundred thousand,

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Speaker 16: ten thousand pre school they'll be I'll just sort of

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Speaker 16: put in this budget as well, because it's not just

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Speaker 16: it's not just the kids at school that are I mean,

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Speaker 16: I think that I think it's really really important that

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Speaker 16: the food and school's program, and it's got to be.

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Speaker 16: You don't want to have that awful system. They have

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Speaker 16: another country we build with vouchers and you go, oh,

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00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 16: look there's Heather with their pink vouchers. She's obviously poor.

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00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 16: You know, all that sort of stuff. So that you

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00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 16: know you've got to do. You've got to do the

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00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,919
Speaker 16: whole thing and treat their what equally. But yeah, look

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Speaker 16: I looked through those menus. Actually that's not too bad.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought I would eat some of that. Hey,

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Speaker 4: I want to get your take, each of you on

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Speaker 4: Eden Park will do it after the break.

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Speaker 4: Chat with the Huddle, Mark Sainsbury and Ali Jones, Ali,

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Speaker 4: what do you reckon? Should Eden Park have twelve concerts?

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Speaker 25: I think you have to ask the residents, you know,

1251
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 25: I know that. Yeah, well, look I know that there

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Speaker 25: was a there was a survey done in February and

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Speaker 25: I think there were fifteen hundred residents who were surveyed

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00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 25: and they said ninety percent of them said that they

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Speaker 25: would support it, support this, you know, these additional performances

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Speaker 25: or events. There are fourteen and a half thousand people

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Speaker 25: who live in Mount Eden, so there's got to be

1258
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 25: a far better survey and numbers taken than that. But

1259
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Speaker 25: you've got to ask the people who live there. That

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Speaker 25: is a residential area, if the traffic and the roads

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Speaker 25: can take it, if the residents are happy with it,

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Speaker 25: if the noise is watched and enforced and controlled as

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Speaker 25: much as it can be. I haven't got a problem

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Speaker 25: with it, but I don't live there. Ask the people

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Speaker 25: who live.

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Speaker 4: There, okay, So if the people who live there says O,

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00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 4: say it's okay, it's a slam dunk.

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00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 16: Yes, oh absolutely, and yeah and look in Alie, I

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Speaker 16: know what you mean.

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Speaker 11: You've got to consult.

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Speaker 16: But Eden Park was there before most of them.

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Speaker 3: Moved to that area.

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Speaker 16: It's a bit like we had this in Wellington where

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00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 16: people moved downtown and complained about you know, Courty Place.

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Speaker 15: And or the noise coming from it.

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Speaker 16: And look, it is a slam don't you look at

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Speaker 16: the economic benefits? And there they keep pointing out that

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Speaker 16: think concert what ninety eight percent of hotels were full

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Speaker 16: for that concert and you know, Taylor Swift comes and

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Speaker 16: it makes sense that they you know, their plan is

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Speaker 16: that it's not going to be all those different events.

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00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 16: It's going to enable the big arses to come and

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00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 16: say you two or three concerts, so you don't have

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Speaker 16: all that set up and then we're resetting up and

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Speaker 16: everything like that. It minimizes it. So yeah, look, I

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00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 16: think they should canvas the locals. But ah man, it's

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01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 16: debate over that that Edon Park and that exactly this

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01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 16: issue has gone on for years and.

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Speaker 2: Will never already resultd Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But isn't that degree though, Mark?

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Speaker 25: You know, I I know we have the same issues

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Speaker 25: with wood for Glenn Art here with people living around

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01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 25: a motorway, around a place with cars.

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Speaker 4: It's noisy, But isn't a degree.

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Speaker 25: Eton Park is mainly or has been, a sports venue.

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Speaker 25: When you go to one concert each month, that could

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Speaker 25: be going up until eleven at night and incredibly loud

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Speaker 25: and basy.

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Speaker 4: Isn't that a different kettle of fish? Especially I suppose

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Speaker 4: when you've got a toddler or a little one, you're

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Speaker 4: trying to get to sleep, right, all of a sudden

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Speaker 4: it starts to become more problematic. It's happening once a month, now.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, and that's exactly right. I think it's I think

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Speaker 25: it's degrees. And look, it's a residential area. If you

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Speaker 25: want something like this because the economic benefits are so great,

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Speaker 25: build something that is more appropriate away from where the.

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Speaker 4: House afford it. Stop it. I mean beingalistic. This is

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Speaker 4: my solution to it.

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Speaker 12: All right, this is my solution idea.

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Speaker 4: If you don't like it, sell your house, move your

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Speaker 4: double gramozoons. You're going to make the mind anyway. What

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Speaker 4: do you think, Oh, it's your home.

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Speaker 25: It's your area, it's where you grew up.

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Speaker 4: Why should you have to move.

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Speaker 25: Just because someone wants to make a top load of money.

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Speaker 16: No, Alie, you're the one here for thousand should forteen

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Speaker 16: thousand residents sort of frustrate the hundreds of thousands.

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Speaker 11: Are going to benefit from it.

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Speaker 16: But remember we went through that. Remember that we're going

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Speaker 16: to have the big stadium down on the waterfront.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we're flying in a.

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Speaker 16: Helicopter around there with the mayor at the time, and.

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Speaker 3: This is where we're going to build it.

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Speaker 15: And you're excited.

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Speaker 4: What year was that saying though?

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Speaker 16: Oh, that was when laboring government there was Trevor Mallow

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Speaker 16: and they get all hot and keeping on it and

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Speaker 16: then it's just like you just to look pushed away.

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Speaker 4: It's never going to happen. Hey, listen, I want to know, Ali,

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Speaker 4: what do you make of the UK sending that keyboard

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Speaker 4: warrior to the Slammer for fifteen months? It's massive. I

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Speaker 4: think it's fabulous.

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Speaker 25: Honestly, these bloody people that sit at home and anonymously

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Speaker 25: pump out this, this awful, putrid stuff. Look, I applaud it,

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Speaker 25: and I think it should happen more and more. Can

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Speaker 25: you see people through the little cameras on their computers.

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Speaker 25: Surely there's a way to monitor this and get more

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Speaker 25: behind me.

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Speaker 4: Don't You're like, oh no, you've got to listen to

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Speaker 4: the Eden Park reasons. Now you want us to spy

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Speaker 4: on people through their cameras.

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Speaker 25: People warriors are just obnoxious. They've got no time for

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Speaker 25: them at all.

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Speaker 4: Ergansidzo Oh.

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Speaker 16: I mean, I think it's amazing how these people slip

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Speaker 16: into this. I mean you look at that woman and

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Speaker 16: she you know, she was just someone sitting at home

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Speaker 16: on the computer. She doesn't get out and do things,

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Speaker 16: you know. But I think he had got on them

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Speaker 16: because they have to do something. They had to say, Look,

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Speaker 16: we're not going to put up with this. And you

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Speaker 16: start with you know, if you're going to write that stuff,

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Speaker 16: inflammatory stuff online, you're going to be held to it.

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Speaker 11: Now people.

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Speaker 16: You know, some people get away with it, but I'm

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Speaker 16: with it. I think it's fantastic. So they said, we're

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Speaker 16: going to send a message. You do this kind of rubbish,

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Speaker 16: you're going to pay the price for it.

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Speaker 11: Go.

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Speaker 16: Oh, you're some poor misguide to you know, you know,

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Speaker 16: someone sitting at home nothing else to do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah too right now, listen, it was it Bill Browder.

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Speaker 16: Maybe I p PJ.

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Speaker 4: O'roock that somebody takes that in. So was a PJ O'Rourke.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, it was PJ.

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Speaker 16: Rock Holidays and hell and he would head off to

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Speaker 16: the war zone and foot stuff. He's a really interesting guy.

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Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, it would be after that. Hey, guys, thank

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Speaker 4: you so much, lovely to chat to the pair of you.

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Speaker 4: Elie Jones, Mark sains Brow huddle coming up seven away

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Speaker 4: from six on your.

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Speaker 1: Smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your car

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Speaker 1: on your drive home. Heather duple c Allen drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand one Giant leap for business news talk

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Speaker 1: as that'd.

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Speaker 4: Be five away from six. The thing that says I

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Speaker 4: was mentioning there about getting old when you turn sixty

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Speaker 4: is because there has been a study, and I feel

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Speaker 4: like it's come from Stanford University. I stand to be

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Speaker 4: corrected on that, and it's what it's shown is that

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Speaker 4: people generally age in two bursts. You age at forty four,

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Speaker 4: like noticeably, you suddenly get old, I know how miserable,

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Speaker 4: and then it's sixty, all of a sudden you have

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Speaker 4: like a spurt of aging as well. Now, they had

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Speaker 4: thought that this just women at forty four going into

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Speaker 4: menopause or perimenopause, which is a bit before you go

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Speaker 4: into menopause, But that's not at all what's happening, because

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Speaker 4: it's happening to blokes as well, so there's something completely different.

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Speaker 4: It's not just the lady hormones kicking in. There's something

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Speaker 4: happening to people at forty four years old, and then

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Speaker 4: also at sixty years old as well. They thought that

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Speaker 4: it was happening much later, like you got old at

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Speaker 4: seventy five, but actually you're getting old at sixty. They

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Speaker 4: don't seem to have an explanation for why all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden at these ages. But what they've noticed is

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Speaker 4: that our molecules sort of progressively get older, I suppose

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Speaker 4: you could say, and then all of a sudden, there's

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Speaker 4: like a massive surge of getting older at forty four,

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Speaker 4: and a massive surge of getting older at sixty. And

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Speaker 4: at forty four it's largely cardiovascular staff the ability to

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Speaker 4: metabolize caffeine and alcohol and lipid. So you know, if

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Speaker 4: you're suddenly at forty four, like, oh my hangover is

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Speaker 4: so much worse, Yeah, that's your body has changed. And

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Speaker 4: then at about sixty it's your immune regulation, you carbohydrate

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Speaker 4: met metabolism, and your kidney function. And at sixty you've

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Speaker 4: got a sudden uptick in cardiovascular disease and Alzheimer's and

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Speaker 4: stuff like that. Anyway, this is scary to me because

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Speaker 4: Brad Pitt's sixty, so we're about to lose his looks.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he is about tet No. Seriously, though, it's

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Speaker 4: scary to me because I'm not that far away from

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Speaker 4: forty four, frankly, and I bumped into an old workmate

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Speaker 4: of mine from like I haven't seen him in twenty

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Speaker 4: two years. The other day and he was like, Wow,

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Speaker 4: you look exactly the same. You haven't changed. And I

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Speaker 4: was secretly so toffed. I was so stoked about that.

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Speaker 4: But he's gonna see me in five years and then

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Speaker 4: he's gonna be like, oh girl, what happened to you?

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Speaker 4: And all it will be is nothing. I just turned

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Speaker 4: forty four, that's all it's gonna be.

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Speaker 20: Here.

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Speaker 4: Though I'm a business near Eden Park. The events are great,

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Speaker 4: it's the council overreaching with the signs that we don't like.

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Speaker 4: Signs up for Saturday's game already. Oh my gosh, preach

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Speaker 4: if you ever try to catch a cab out of

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Speaker 4: Eden Park. Literally I have gone around the stadium multiple

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Speaker 4: times in the cab with them, just trying to find

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Speaker 4: a way out. But there are just like random road

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Speaker 4: workers standing there with signs gain you can't come out here. Now,

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Speaker 4: you can't come out here, And there's no logic to

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Speaker 4: it whatsoever. The traffic management is a massive problem. And

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Speaker 4: getting signs up for Saturday's game, what is it Thursday?

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Speaker 4: She'd been doing that on Saturday afternoon. She's not that

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Speaker 4: hard to put signs up anyway. Let's check in with them.

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Speaker 4: My immigration Minister's speech.

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Speaker 1: Next, you've been track of where the money is flowing

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Speaker 1: with the business hour, we'd hand the duplicy Allen and

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Speaker 1: my hr on news talks.

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Speaker 2: At me.

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Speaker 4: Even in coming up in the next hour, do you

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Speaker 4: remember Facebook's metaverse? Whatever happened to that? Sam Dicki's going

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Speaker 4: to run us through that when he's with us in

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Speaker 4: about half an hour's time. Liam dan on what's happening

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Speaker 4: to food and petrol prices? Jamie McKay and end of

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Speaker 4: Brady before the end of the hour. Right now, it's

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Speaker 4: eight past six now the Immigration Minister Erica Stanford has

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Speaker 4: just finished giving a speech in Auckland. She's announced a

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Speaker 4: new visa for seasonal workers to deal with upcoming worker shortages.

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Speaker 4: They have to be paid at least twenty nine dollars

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Speaker 4: sixty six, cannot work for more than nine months. And

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Speaker 4: don't get this confused with the extent and fruit pick

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Speaker 4: of visas that's already been announced. This is something else.

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Speaker 4: She's also laid out her vision of a smart immigration system,

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Speaker 4: trying to balance the need for workers with more sustainable migration.

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Speaker 4: Now Alan McDonald from the EMA was listening to the speech. Hi,

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Speaker 4: Allen Hey hell, there were suspicions that she was going

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Speaker 4: to crack down on migrants in this speech.

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Speaker 11: Has she No, she hasn't, And I think the way

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Speaker 11: she outlined things will be pretty much good news for

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Speaker 11: the business sector and our members certainly will welcome some

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Speaker 11: of the initiatives that she talked about today.

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Speaker 4: So she has though, encouraged New Zealanders to start training

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Speaker 4: up New Zealanders to work to work in their businesses.

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 11: Yes, she has in a group of labor ministers that

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Speaker 11: includes Louise Upston and also Brook van Velden and their

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Speaker 11: challenge and it's come from the Prime Minister too, is

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Speaker 11: that Look, while you've had access to immigrants and skilled labor,

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Speaker 11: we really want you to train up more kiwis and

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Speaker 11: get some of those people off the job seeking and

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Speaker 11: the non employment and training services, those eighteen to twenty

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Speaker 11: four year olds. And I think it's a justifiable challenge.

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Speaker 11: But we still need some support to help train those

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Speaker 11: people up. And she outlined a pathway to do that too.

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Speaker 4: What is the pathway?

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Speaker 11: So when they've done the work on the Credited Employer

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Speaker 11: Work Visa Scheme the AAWZ and that should be wrapped

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Speaker 11: up by the end of this year, they're going to

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Speaker 11: look at the skilled migrant pathways to permanent residents because

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Speaker 11: at the moment that's heavily weighted towards the professions and

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Speaker 11: university degrees, and they're going to look at putting more

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Speaker 11: weighting on the trades and the skills that are trained

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Speaker 11: in those trades so that we can bring in more

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Speaker 11: of those people to train up our own people and

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Speaker 11: get them through into that skilled tradeing category.

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Speaker 4: It's a very different approach to how labor approached this, right,

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Speaker 4: it's a lot more hold the hands of the employer

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Speaker 4: rather than crack down. I imagine that this is welcome.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it will be because our members are telling us,

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Speaker 11: and it's across many sectors too, that they just simply

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Speaker 11: don't have the skilled people that they need to train

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Speaker 11: up more apprentices and those sorts of things. In fact,

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Speaker 11: we heard from Rodney Wayne today about the shortage of hairdresses,

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Speaker 11: which many people really suffered through COVID with that, so,

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Speaker 11: you know, it's a much more nuanced approach, and that

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Speaker 11: will be the same with the accredited work visa when

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Speaker 11: they work through that. It's to give it more direction

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Speaker 11: and more focus rather than a broad brush approach. So

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Speaker 11: I think it's a recognition we are short in some areas,

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Speaker 11: but we do need to put more for employers into

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Speaker 11: that training and working with MSD we're getting from outstanding

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Speaker 11: results at the moment.

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Speaker 4: Just on the new visa for the seasonal workers is helpful.

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Speaker 11: Yes, I think it will be because it goes wider

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Speaker 11: than just the heart sector and the viticulture sector. So

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Speaker 11: for one of the examples was the steafields bringing in

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Speaker 11: st ste instructors and maybe even the people to support

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Speaker 11: the stea fields in the cafes and things like that.

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Speaker 11: I think it could apply to the meat industry, which

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Speaker 11: is highly seasonal of course, and maybe even if you

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Speaker 11: look at the start of the construction season, over work

1511
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 11: season coincides with the better weather, so we're short in construction.

1512
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 11: Maybe that's an option there for them as well. So

1513
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 11: some good things from there.

1514
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 4: Alan, Before I let you go, just want to quick

1515
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 4: take on what do you make of the changes to

1516
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 4: the Companies Act. You like what you're seeing?

1517
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 11: Yeah, we do like what we're saying. That that particular

1518
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,759
Speaker 11: provision around having the director's home addresses available that wasn't

1519
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 11: great and so there's something they can do around those

1520
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 11: Phoenix companies, which I know is a real bug ber

1521
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 11: for people losing money in the construction sector. You know,

1522
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 11: they liquidate one day and they research somewhere else doing

1523
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 11: another development under a similar name. That that sort of

1524
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 11: behavior is something that they can address.

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01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 2: That.

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01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 4: That's good, Yeah, good stuff. Hey, Alan, thank you so

1527
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 4: much appreciated, Alan McDonald or the airmate the changes. This

1528
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 4: is Andrew Bailey, the Minister for Commerce and Consumer Affairs,

1529
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 4: who's been looking into some changes in the Companies Act.

1530
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,560
Speaker 4: As Alan was just saying. It would take the identifying

1531
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 4: details of the shareholders and the directors perhaps off the

1532
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 4: register which is public. Also changes around major transactions. It would,

1533
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 4: you know, would be things like only the capital structure

1534
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 4: of a company, or rather thing related solely to the

1535
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 4: capital structure of a company like the shares issues in

1536
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 4: the buybacks and the dividends and redemptions would not be

1537
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 4: considered major transactions. Update aspects of the law so things

1538
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,919
Speaker 4: can be done online, more things, rather than manually expanding

1539
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 4: how the New Zealand business number is used and then

1540
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 4: introducing new changes to insolvency law and stuff like that. Heather,

1541
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 4: you're so right about the aging thing. I'm seventy seven,

1542
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 4: I look like Keith Richard's mother, so many things to

1543
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 4: look forward to. Dylan has nailed why you start looking

1544
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 4: because this is the thing that I was like, why

1545
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 4: why why?

1546
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 2: Why? Why?

1547
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 4: Tell me why this thing is happening. So if I

1548
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 4: need to cut out the alcohol or cut out the

1549
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 4: alcohol so I don't have to look like Keith Richard's

1550
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 4: mother by the time I'm sixty, they didn't answer that question,

1551
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 4: but Dylan's answered the question on email. For me, it's

1552
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 4: because we have children. So you have your children in

1553
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 4: your thirties and they wear you down and buy forty four.

1554
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 4: You crack and that's where you start finding the gray hair.

1555
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 4: And that is actually accurate. And do do start to

1556
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 4: find it? Don't you? Is there a cheat? To Liam

1557
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 4: Dan next about what's going on with the food prices

1558
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 4: and the fuel prices and so on. It's thirteen plus six.

1559
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dupic

1560
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: Ellen with the business hours thanks to my HR, the

1561
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: HR platform for SME on newstalksb Hey.

1562
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 4: If you spend any time in Europe in the last

1563
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 4: forty years or so, you might know the name perskin Dole.

1564
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 4: Now if you don't know the name, let me tell

1565
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 4: you about this, okay. Perskin Dole is a non medicated

1566
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 4: topical pain relief solution for your muscles and joints. It's

1567
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 4: been trusted by Swiss consumers for over forty years and

1568
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 4: now perskin doll is available here in New Zealand as well.

1569
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 4: You can get it from the Chemist Warehouse, Unicam and

1570
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 4: other leading pharmacies. And the thing about perskin doll is

1571
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 4: it has a unique dual action formula which goes on

1572
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 4: cool gives you the immediate relief, and then as you

1573
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 4: massage it and it starts warming up to soothe the

1574
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 4: pain within fifteen minutes. It's got eight essential oils. It's

1575
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 4: also ANAKA free and the long and short of it

1576
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 4: basically is that perskin Dole is stronger than your pain.

1577
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 4: It's available now at Chemist Warehouse, at Unicam, at other

1578
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 4: leading pharmacies. Perskin dollars a new name, can be tricky

1579
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 4: to pronounce, so simply look for the bright yellow pack

1580
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 4: in store. You can't miss it. Always read the label

1581
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 4: and follow directions for use. Heather do for see Allen

1582
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 4: Right sixteen past six now, food prices were up just

1583
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 4: a little bit, but petrol prices were down. In the

1584
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,679
Speaker 4: twelve months to July. The increase in food prices largely

1585
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 4: driven by higher prices for restaurant meals and ready to

1586
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 4: eat food, but vegi and fruit were down eight point

1587
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 4: five percent. And you can't complain about that. Liam dan Is,

1588
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 4: The Herald's Business editor at large, Alam.

1589
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 12: Get a head.

1590
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 22: Yeah, is it the good news?

1591
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 2: Right?

1592
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 4: A bit of good news. We've had two days of

1593
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 4: good news, Liam, This and this is Adrian and all

1594
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 4: and we're going to be partying in a minute. Is

1595
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 4: he Is he at all interested in this?

1596
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 11: Yeah, that'll be.

1597
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 22: They'll be, I guess pleased with that. I mean, it

1598
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 22: would have been a bit of a disaster if they'd been.

1599
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 22: And it's to me it's still a you know, I've

1600
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 22: been quite cautious. I think it's still a little bit

1601
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 22: of hand and now, you know what if you were

1602
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 22: nerve wracking period, you know, you don't want inflation bouncing

1603
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 22: back up when you're not officially under under three. But

1604
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 22: they seem very confident that they are. You know, you

1605
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 22: could see the stuff in that data to day. It's

1606
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 22: the selected price index stuff you know, at the front end,

1607
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 22: rents are starting to flatline even come down. So there's

1608
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 22: two measures there for rents, and the one where they

1609
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 22: count the new tendency agreements is starting to show a

1610
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 22: trend downwards. People weren't you know a lot of people

1611
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 22: weren't feeling that yet. But yeah, promising signs, I think,

1612
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 22: you know, And and economists have generally interpreted it. That

1613
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 22: and the electronic card transactions, which is another way of

1614
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 22: saying retail spending these days. Thing is no one's using cash.

1615
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 22: But you know that that that was off of it too.

1616
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 22: So you know, we are probably just about ready to

1617
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:42,560
Speaker 22: celebrate winning the war on inflation. You know, we'll celebrating

1618
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:43,679
Speaker 22: in another recession.

1619
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's always that. I forget that. You're an economist,

1620
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 4: so you need to well, you love your economics a

1621
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 4: big last half empty the whole time.

1622
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 22: But it is interesting. It does mean that we're kind

1623
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 22: of you know, whatever, you whoever you look at the

1624
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 22: pandemic cycle, it's kind of coming to an end. So

1625
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 22: you know, whether it's you know, you look at the

1626
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 22: blame the pandemic itself, you blame some of the management

1627
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 22: or whatever through that period. Here we are just about

1628
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 22: back to something, you know, get out of recession in

1629
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 22: another three months and we might be able to say, well,

1630
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 22: things are normal, and we might have to say that

1631
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 22: for a very short time until, of course, something else

1632
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 22: will come along.

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01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 4: Do you stop it, Liam, stop a whistle and celebration mode. Listen.

1634
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 4: On the petrol being down, is that basically because of

1635
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 4: the Auckland field tax coming off?

1636
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 22: Yeah, I mean petrol actually rose when you looked around

1637
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 22: the regions, it was up everywhere except Aukland, where it

1638
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 22: was down at tiny bit. So we didn't see a

1639
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 22: ten percent drop at Auckland, but I guess that's the

1640
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 22: way the oil markets went over that period. So yeah,

1641
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 22: eating up pretty quickly by global prices. But yeah, I

1642
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 22: was looking a bit down. That was probably to do

1643
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 22: with that tax coming off.

1644
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, Liam, thank you very much, Thank you for your time.

1645
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 4: Appreciate its Liam Down, the Herald's Business editor at large.

1646
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 4: Speaking of Adrian or just there, he struggles a I mean,

1647
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 4: I suppose we all do to some extent, but he really,

1648
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 4: really really struggles to admit he got anything wrong. He

1649
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,759
Speaker 4: was at the Finance and Expenditure Select Committee this morning

1650
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 4: and it was the chair Stewart.

1651
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 10: Smith, your forecasts have been described as I think one

1652
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 10: hundred and eighty complete one hundred and eighty degree turn

1653
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 10: on the May forecast.

1654
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 4: Who got under Adrian or skin today?

1655
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 26: I can't give their time to that comment. A U

1656
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 26: turn would have you might, well, it's just wrong.

1657
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,520
Speaker 2: That's why, so bother.

1658
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 26: There's no U turn.

1659
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that wasn't going to put Stewart off Stuart.

1660
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 4: Stewart was Stewart out a point to make. So he

1661
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 4: said to Adrian or basically that inflation was as bad

1662
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 4: as it was because Adrian made it worse himself. And

1663
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 4: Stuart's bang on. And the point that he made is

1664
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 4: because Adrian kept on the funding for lending program for

1665
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 4: too long?

1666
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 14: Will you apologize to New Zealanders for that?

1667
01:16:54,520 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 26: I don't understand your logic, sorry, So, yeah, we loose

1668
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 26: some monetary policy. And it went on, the underlying hypothesis

1669
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 26: put on the table here.

1670
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 4: Is incorrect, and it went on.

1671
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 26: That's where I didn't understand your logic because they aren't

1672
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 26: running in opposite directions.

1673
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 4: I love I love that. Have you noticed there's a

1674
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 4: tactic for somebody as smart as Adrian. Right, he does understand,

1675
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 4: but he just goes don't really get it, and he

1676
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 4: just plays dumb, and then he doesn't have to answer

1677
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 4: the question. Now that we're onto it could have used

1678
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 4: that to our advantage if we become toe to toe

1679
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 4: with him. Six twenty one The.

1680
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 2: Rural Report on hither due to see Allan drive Heather.

1681
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,839
Speaker 4: A good question for someone who says they don't understand

1682
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 4: is what would it be if you did understand? That's

1683
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 4: a parent talking right there. I don't think do you

1684
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 4: think Adrian's going to respond? It might actually respond quite

1685
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 4: well to that, actually, to a bit of parental discipline.

1686
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 4: Six twenty four Jamie MacKaye, Host of the Countries with US. Now, Hey, Jamie,

1687
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 4: can I hear that Federated Farmers happy with the scope

1688
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 4: of that banking inquiry?

1689
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1690
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 10: I think they're quite shuffed. I've been pushing hard for

1691
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 10: this one. They please the governments and now announced a

1692
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 10: wide ranging inquiry that will leave Heather the banks with

1693
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:10,600
Speaker 10: nowhere to hide, so says Richard McIntyre, the banking spokesperson

1694
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,799
Speaker 10: who's been leading the charge on this. Look, they've been calling,

1695
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 10: They've been asking questions, serious questions about the levels of competition,

1696
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 10: profitability and transparency in rural lending for a long time now,

1697
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 10: and they want to shine the light on parts of

1698
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 10: the rural banking system that up until now have been

1699
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 10: allowed to operate in the shadows. Richard's words, not mine

1700
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 10: there again, I think one of the key areas they

1701
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 10: want to have a closer look at here. That is

1702
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 10: the impact, Yes, that the Reserve Bank, that villain Adrian

1703
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 10: Or and his capital requirements are around lending to farmers.

1704
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 10: Because you talk to the banks and they'll say, look,

1705
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 10: we're being hamstrung by the Reserve Bank. We have to

1706
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 10: hold more money against rural lending. That's why it's more

1707
01:18:55,640 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 10: expensive than say, residential lending. So look at that submissions

1708
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 10: close in late September. Federated farmers are leading the charge

1709
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 10: on this one. And I've been saying this for ages

1710
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 10: that look, I'm not sure that the risk margin over

1711
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 10: and above residential is worth is fair, and I would

1712
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 10: say that the banks are subsidizing the very competitive residential market.

1713
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 10: Heather by business and farming.

1714
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 4: Interesting. Hey, so you had labors Joe Luxton on the

1715
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 4: show today. Let's ever listened to what she said.

1716
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 7: Joe, I've got to stop you.

1717
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 4: That's very wishy washy.

1718
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 10: Can I put it to you that you might have

1719
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 10: nine or twelve years to make up some agricultural policy

1720
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 10: the way you're going.

1721
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 22: Ah No, definitely not Crystal justice to disagree with you

1722
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 22: on that one, Jamie, absolutely not.

1723
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Speaker 3: You know, the way this current.

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Speaker 22: Government's going, I wouldn't be surprised to see ended up

1725
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 22: being a one term government.

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously she would wish that that was the case.

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Speaker 4: What do you make of her as the agricultural spokesperson?

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01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 10: Ah, Look, she has a consensus politician, unlike Damien who

1729
01:19:56,600 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 10: loved to scrap Damien O'Connor. Of course, Look, the question

1730
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 10: came about because I was reading a profile on her

1731
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 10: in one of the farming papers, and she came out

1732
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 10: and said, we don't have policy in the agricultural space

1733
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 10: at the moment, and we've got time to develop the

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01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 10: policy over the next twelve months. And of course I said,

1735
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 10: you might have nine or twelve years to do that,

1736
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 10: and she says, nah, Look, the dis goovernment might be

1737
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 10: a one term government. She's saying her focus is around

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01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:27,600
Speaker 10: building relationship and listening to farmers and finding out what

1739
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 10: they might want from us when we're next in government. Well,

1740
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 10: I'll tell you what the farmers want for the next government.

1741
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 10: They don't want labor to be in it, let alone

1742
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 10: the Greenshawe Tapathy mari.

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Speaker 4: Yep I hear yeah, hey, Jamie, thank you very much,

1744
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 4: really appreciate you time.

1745
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 10: Mate.

1746
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 4: This Jamie McKay, Host of the Country. Here the steward

1747
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 4: is bang on Adrian fire hose the economy in our

1748
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 4: banks with cheap money, and now he's trying to cancel

1749
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 4: anyone who questions him. He's the worst Reserve Bank governor

1750
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:55,759
Speaker 4: and it needs to go as that's not as crazy

1751
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 4: and way out there as it sounds. I was reading

1752
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 4: Michael Riddell's piece that he put on his this morning

1753
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 4: on Croaking Cassandra. He is the former Reserve Bank economist,

1754
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 4: so he knows what he's talking about. It he's been

1755
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 4: employed by the place and he said it was deeply,

1756
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 4: deeply disappointing that Adrian Or was reappointed as the Reserve

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01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 4: Bank governor. So there you go. Listen. I'll tell you

1758
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 4: what actually I want to get to the rent controls.

1759
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 4: Rent controls has popped up in the UK again. Terrible idea.

1760
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 4: Talk to you about that shortly. Here's the third tip

1761
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 4: from from the Quantus pilot who I was talking about

1762
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 4: before sanitation wipes. You need to here, reckons, get on

1763
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 4: a plane with like those little wet wipes, but not

1764
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 4: like the not just the sort of like the non

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01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 4: bacterial ones, you know what I mean, Like have some

1766
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 4: sanitation wipes, he says, because planes don't get cleaned as

1767
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,759
Speaker 4: much as you think between flights. The number of germs

1768
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 4: on aeroplanes is disgusting. You should wipe your trade table

1769
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,440
Speaker 4: before you eat off it and sanitize your hands regularly

1770
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 4: during the journey so you don't get sick. So you

1771
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 4: go dress up, sanitize. What was the other one, Oh,

1772
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 4: noise canceling headphones. There you go, Sam Dicky Nex.

1773
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro MicroB or just plane economics. It's all

1774
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,

1775
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME used talks it bxactly.

1776
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Speaker 4: Whether I checked and I'm having dog walks sanity time.

1777
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 4: I agree that the airplane seats are gross. I think

1778
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 4: you sweaty seats. How often have they cleaned? And I

1779
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 4: work with kids. When you work with kids, you start

1780
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 4: really obsessing over this kind of stuff. A and then

1781
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 4: you just notice how infrequently things are clean. We're going

1782
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 4: to go to Endo Brady are UK corresponding about ten

1783
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 4: minutes time. So this is what I wanted to talk

1784
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 4: to you about. With the rent controls. My worry about

1785
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 4: ideas like rent controls is that it's obviously a bad idea.

1786
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,799
Speaker 4: But despite being a bad idea, and despite being proven

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01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 4: time and disproven time and time again as an idea

1788
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 4: like something you should definitely avoid, somehow these things catch on,

1789
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 4: and this is catching on overseas in a big way.

1790
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 4: The Mayor of London, Sadik Khan, is now apparently plotting

1791
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 4: to impose rent controls in London. He's apparently going to

1792
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 4: go to the government over there and ask him for

1793
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 4: the power, ask them for the power to allow him

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01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 4: to do it. And apparently, given that they are labors

1795
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,799
Speaker 4: so slightly to the left of things, they are open

1796
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 4: to doing this sounds nice, I mean, who doesn't want

1797
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 4: stable rents? But it always backfires and the most recent

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01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 4: example of this was Nicholas Sturgeon over in Scotland in

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01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. She imposed them and instead of keeping

1800
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 4: rents low, which is the point of a rent control

1801
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 4: rents actually were pushed up massively. They surged by eleven

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01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 4: percent and that was the largest increase of any UK nation.

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Speaker 4: So how did that happen? How is it that the

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01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 4: one place where the rent control is the place that

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01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 4: sees the biggest increase in rents Because what happened is

1806
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 4: landlords every time their rent their tenant changed, pushed up

1807
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 4: the the rent in a big way because they knew

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01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 4: that once the tenant was in they'd have to keep

1809
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 4: that rent at a set level for as long as

1810
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 4: the tenant was there. So between tenants they just were

1811
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 4: incentivized to go hard and of course didn't solve the

1812
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 4: fundamental problem, which is a lack of lack of places

1813
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 4: to rent. So the tenants had no option but to

1814
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 4: pay through the nose this extortionate amount now an exorbitant

1815
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 4: amountain and as a result they took the place. Bad

1816
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 4: ideas right, and yet bad ideas catch on because they're

1817
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 4: going to try it in London. By the sounds of things,

1818
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 4: twenty two away from.

1819
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Speaker 2: Seven, Heather Dupice Ellen, they cast.

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Speaker 4: Your mind back a few years and everybody was talking

1821
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 4: about the metaverse right. The market thought it would be

1822
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 4: the next big thing the next big computer platform. After

1823
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 4: we transitioned to mobile computing fifteen years ago or so,

1824
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 4: what happened to the metaverse? Sam Dicky from Fisher Funds

1825
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 4: has been looking into this.

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Speaker 2: Hey Sam, good at evening here, Sam, remind me.

1827
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 4: Why anybody thought this was going to be the next

1828
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 4: big thing.

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Speaker 27: Yes, well that the most evangelical believers back in twenty

1830
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 27: twenty one thought it could be the new Internet. So

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01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 27: instead of interacting via text and video, we would interacting

1832
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 27: virtuality and cruise around his kind of lanky avatars. And

1833
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 27: if your children irritating me play Fortnite or roeblocks, well

1834
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 27: they are really just dumbed down versions of the metaverse.

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Speaker 27: And you might remember another virtual world we talked about

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01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 27: about back then here the Sandbox, which specializes in virtual

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01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 27: real estate, and a virtual neighbor of Snoop Dog brought

1838
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 27: a plot of land back then for a million bucks,

1839
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 27: and that early height was a bit like the NFT

1840
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 27: market smoke and mirrors, And the price of this online

1841
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 27: real estate has kind of collapsed by oh my gosh.

1842
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Speaker 4: And so what he can't do anything is that that's

1843
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 4: real money he's lost.

1844
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 27: Yes, absolutely, it's real money. On a on a virtual

1845
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:46,719
Speaker 27: plot of land.

1846
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 4: Okay, whoa, this was expected to be massive, right, so

1847
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 4: who put money into this stuff?

1848
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 27: It was expected to be massive and some massive unders

1849
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 27: thrown around, So I think moregerstanding to report at the

1850
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 27: time saying it could be an eight trillion dollar market.

1851
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 27: Was the next generation kind of social media stream and

1852
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 27: a gaming platform and virtual reality and Facebook, remember changed

1853
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 27: its name. So when so far as to change its

1854
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 27: name to Meta show how serious it was about chasing

1855
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 27: the next Internet. It wasn't just Meta. Apple invested heavily

1856
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 27: in virtual reality hardware like it's goggles, and the gaming

1857
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 27: company is like ten cents in China, and Microsoft invested

1858
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 27: heavily as well.

1859
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 4: What's the reality, you know, compared to what they were expecting.

1860
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 4: What are we dealing with today?

1861
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 8: Not much?

1862
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 27: Not much. I mean I talked about those virtual real

1863
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 27: estate prices. But but Mesa really is the poster child here.

1864
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,600
Speaker 27: So they've been eighty billion dollars on the metaverse to

1865
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 27: date and they've got less than ten million dollars of

1866
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 27: revenue to show for that. But they are even kind

1867
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:47,839
Speaker 27: of stepping away from that the goggles of the online world,

1868
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 27: and they're really just focusing their attention now outside of AI,

1869
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 27: of course, which we're not speaking about tonight on its

1870
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 27: joint venture with ray Band, where instead of kind of

1871
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 27: picking up your phone one hundred and thirty seven times

1872
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 27: per day, you can cruise around with a cool pier

1873
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 27: of RABA and glasses on with the heads up virtual

1874
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 27: reality display.

1875
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 4: H ohkah. That sounds cool. What happens from here, though? Sam?

1876
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 4: Is it possible that this idea just was before it's

1877
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 4: time and it might catch on in the future sometime?

1878
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 27: Yeah, they're all. Don't we overestimate technology in the short

1879
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 27: term and underestimate the long term?

1880
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 6: Could be?

1881
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:22,520
Speaker 27: Could be? I think, but even the most evangelical Zuckerberg

1882
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 27: is kind of stepping away from it for now. I

1883
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 27: do think he's online virtual worlds alserthing the market is

1884
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:32,759
Speaker 27: selling us, how unlikely to be anything more than niche

1885
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 27: use that has perhaps for gaming, and perhaps remember we

1886
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,560
Speaker 27: talked about the time head Perhaps if you had a

1887
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 27: friend and partisan both you could team up virtually and

1888
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:44,640
Speaker 27: attended constant at high park. Sounds pretty cool, but I

1889
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 27: can't guess we'll sit around at work with goggles on

1890
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:48,919
Speaker 27: and working virtually.

1891
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 4: No, when you want the real life experience, don't you.

1892
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 4: I mean, is the lesson in this for investors to

1893
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 4: perhaps be a little bit wary of tech nerds getting

1894
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 4: extremely excited about things.

1895
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 27: I forgets it is the metaverse is not in portant

1896
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 27: per se, but it is a great lean through which

1897
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 27: to view that the kind of aggressive spending we're seeing

1898
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,640
Speaker 27: right now. So remember the scale we talked about a

1899
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 27: month ago, Microsoft, Need Amazon, Google, Just for companies, It's

1900
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 27: been one hundred and forty billion on capital expension last

1901
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 27: year and US spent two thirty billion next year, so

1902
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 27: extraordinary rise, so meta and all alone. So despite the

1903
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:27,799
Speaker 27: incredible success of these companies, they're backed tons of losers.

1904
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 27: So think of the windows phoned by Microsoft, or a

1905
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 27: firephone by Amazon, or the Google Glass which was a

1906
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 27: wearable computer. So the point of all of this is

1907
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 27: the biggest rescue of these big tech companies outside of

1908
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 27: the government trying to split them up. Alligigate them is

1909
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 27: being out innovated, so being beaten at their own game,

1910
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,640
Speaker 27: and they do this or they get ahead of this

1911
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 27: by throwing cons of money anything with an innovation polse,

1912
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 27: and that kind of healthy paranoia is just kind of

1913
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 27: it coster doing business for these big companies.

1914
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Speaker 4: Yeah, fascinating. Hey, Sam, that was absolutely fascinating. I really

1915
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 4: appreciate it. You're talking Sam Dickie a Fisher Funds.

1916
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 22: Yeah.

1917
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Speaker 4: Be careful with the tech Nerdsay, be careful with the

1918
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 4: tech nerds. Now on Avon, this is this is quite

1919
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 4: an like talk about switch from tech to actual reality.

1920
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 4: Dan Mitchinson, ow US correspondent, mentioned yesterday that Avon has

1921
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 4: declared bankruptcy. It's quite an interesting story of how big

1922
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 4: Avon was and how it got to the point where

1923
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 4: it's declared bankruptcy. So Avon dates all the way back

1924
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 4: to eighteen eighty six, right. It was launched all the

1925
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:30,839
Speaker 4: way back then by a chap called David H. McConnell,

1926
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 4: and what he realized was that there was this captive

1927
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 4: market of women who were sitting at home basically waiting

1928
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 4: for their husbands to come back. And they would probably

1929
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 4: love the product. Right they're there, they're consumers. They would

1930
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 4: probably like a little bit of makeup, a bit of

1931
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 4: skincare or whatever. But also, and more importantly, they are bored,

1932
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 4: so they would like a little bit of company. They

1933
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 4: would like the fact that somebody turns up at their door.

1934
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:55,640
Speaker 4: And even if they're just a salesperson. It's somebody to

1935
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Speaker 4: talk to. So this is why the idea took off.

1936
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 4: And then it's appeal was all so that it made

1937
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 4: products that every woman could use. A new universality was

1938
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 4: the thing that really made it work. Then the next

1939
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 4: big thing that happened for them, which was great, was

1940
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 4: that there was a like a housewife's Bible. I suppose

1941
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 4: you'd call it back that in nineteen thirty one called

1942
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 4: Good Housekeeping had been around for ages by then, but

1943
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 4: in thirty one Good Housekeeping gave it seal of approval

1944
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 4: to a bunch of Avon products, was eleven of them

1945
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 4: in total, and that was a record for how many

1946
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 4: products by one firm had been given the seal of

1947
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 4: approval by Good Housekeeping, and so off it took even more.

1948
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 4: At the height of its success, Avon was massive. It

1949
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 4: was selling four lipsticks every single second, and its success

1950
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 4: lasted for a really long time. I mean it was

1951
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 4: only a decade ago that it was one of the

1952
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 4: top three beauty brands in big places like the UK.

1953
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 4: But then the problems started. Women obviously aren't waiting around

1954
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 4: at home anymore for their husbands to come home. They

1955
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 4: can buy any product that they want, any time they want,

1956
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 4: just by clicking a few buttons on their smartphone, so

1957
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 4: that the kind of unique selling point that one of

1958
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 4: the unique selling points of a disappeared, and all of

1959
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,679
Speaker 4: a sudden, the consumer's preference has changed as well. Women

1960
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 4: wanted products that were unique to them, their own skin tone,

1961
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 4: their own skin type, and so the universality of Avon

1962
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 4: wasn't that grade anymore. And then the younger, newer brands

1963
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:14,760
Speaker 4: started being better at social media. They were dropping new

1964
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 4: products all the time, they were creating buzz, and Avon

1965
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 4: just couldn't do that. They just didn't know how to

1966
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,839
Speaker 4: generate buzz. They couldn't do stuff like that. They also,

1967
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 4: and this is an indication of how badly they were

1968
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,719
Speaker 4: reading what was going on in retail, they announced last

1969
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 4: year that they were going to open their first bricks

1970
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 4: and mortar store, first ever in all of the history

1971
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 4: of the company. They decide just when High Street is dying,

1972
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 4: that they need a shop on High Street. And then,

1973
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 4: of course the tal conpowder thing happened. They were famous

1974
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 4: for the tal conpowder and now they're being accused of

1975
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 4: selling a product that causes cancer. It's the subject of lawsuits.

1976
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 4: They say it doesn't cause cancer at all, but they

1977
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 4: don't have enough money to pay off the money that

1978
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 4: they owe in this particular lawsuits like two billion dollars

1979
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 4: in counting, and so as a result it's filed for bankruptcy.

1980
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 4: And that is the story of how Avon went from

1981
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:01,880
Speaker 4: a tiny little idea to mess of global success to

1982
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 4: bankruptcy Quarter two.

1983
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 1: Everything from SMS to the big corporates of the Business

1984
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: Hour with Hitther Duple c Ellen and my HR, the

1985
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 1: HR platform for sme us talks.

1986
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 4: They'd be in the Brady is our UK correspondent this evening.

1987
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 12: Hey Inda, Hey Heather, good to speak to you again.

1988
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 4: What's that week? Girl who was stabbed going, Oh.

1989
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 12: My god, where do we even begin with this? How

1990
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:26,600
Speaker 12: terrible that a little eleven year old came here on

1991
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 12: holidays from Australia with her mother and ended up the

1992
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 12: victim of a random stabbing attack in Leicester Square. She's

1993
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 12: still in hospital, injuries not life threatening, but she was

1994
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 12: stabbed eight times. So there is a man in custody.

1995
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:43,680
Speaker 12: He has been charged with attempted murder and possession of

1996
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,760
Speaker 12: a bladed implement i e. The knife he used allegedly.

1997
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 12: So what we know is that Leicester Square was very,

1998
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:52,799
Speaker 12: very busy the other day, one of the big tourist

1999
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 12: attractions in London's West End. It was very hot and sunny.

2000
01:32:56,479 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 12: Police are saying this was a completely random attack. The

2001
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 12: attacker allegedly put the eleven year old girl in a

2002
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 12: headlock and stabbed her and she will now need plastic surgery.

2003
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 12: So I think people are just beyond shocked and appalled

2004
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 12: that a child would travel on holidays all the way

2005
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 12: from Australia and have that happened to them on the

2006
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:18,720
Speaker 12: streets of our capital city.

2007
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,440
Speaker 4: And still any indication.

2008
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 12: Of motive and whatsoever. Look, I guess when the court

2009
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:28,799
Speaker 12: case happens in due course, there will be a judicial process,

2010
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 12: there will be a trial. I think a lot more

2011
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 12: information about the incident, the attack will happen then, But

2012
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 12: for now it's just sharpened everyone's focus on knife crime.

2013
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 12: I mean, it is just off the scale here and

2014
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 12: it's very very worrying.

2015
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a very good point actually about the knife crime. Hey, listen, Inda,

2016
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:50,680
Speaker 4: I see that the tickets for Taylor Swift concert have

2017
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 4: dropped in price as a result of these security concerns.

2018
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 12: Yes, so she's back in the UK now. She's going

2019
01:33:56,560 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 12: to play another five gigs in London starting tonight, and

2020
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 12: you're right, ticket prices have come down so previously these

2021
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 12: were more expensive than golda slip. To be honest. I

2022
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 12: was in Dublin passing through on my way home to

2023
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 12: Wexford the other week and I was meeting Americans in

2024
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 12: Dublin Airport who were on their way to watch her

2025
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 12: in Dublin because they couldn't afford the prices in the

2026
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 12: United States and they thought they'd make a trip and

2027
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 12: get cheaper tickets in Europe look so so sought after. However,

2028
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 12: the prices have dropped in the aftermath of the Vienna

2029
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 12: foil terror attack. There are tickets available for tonight if

2030
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 12: you're willing to pay twelve hundred n Z dollars. I mean,

2031
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 12: it is stunking what these tickets are still going for,

2032
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 12: but they are available and one little security warning from

2033
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 12: the authorities at Wembley tonight they say they will not

2034
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:50,600
Speaker 12: be tolerating something called taygating. This is where mostly teenage

2035
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 12: girls and young women congregates who don't have tickets. They

2036
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 12: had it happen in Munich, believe it or not. The

2037
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 12: other week in Germany, forty thousand young women turned up

2038
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:03,800
Speaker 12: on the hillside and had a party. So Wembley saying

2039
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:06,480
Speaker 12: this will not be tolerated. There will be outer security

2040
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:08,680
Speaker 12: zones and if you haven't got a ticket, you are

2041
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 12: not getting anywhere near the stadium.

2042
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:12,720
Speaker 4: Interesting, Hey, how did they figure out India that the

2043
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,320
Speaker 4: big alter stone at Stonehenge came from Scotland? How they

2044
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:15,880
Speaker 4: figure this out?

2045
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:19,640
Speaker 12: This is amazing. So what they did They got scientists

2046
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:21,680
Speaker 12: and they got a laser. They haven't in any way

2047
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 12: damaged the rock, but they've beamed a laser into it.

2048
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:28,760
Speaker 12: They've seen its composition. And we'd always been told previously

2049
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 12: that the Stonehenge stones, all of them came from Wales,

2050
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:35,880
Speaker 12: most of them did. However, the altar stone they call

2051
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 12: in the middle. They now have worked out that there

2052
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 12: is only one other place in the British and Irish

2053
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 12: Isles where this rock exists, northeastern Scotland, possibly the Orkney Islands.

2054
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 12: And now, so that's six hundred kilometers from Salisbury Plain,

2055
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 12: which is where in Wiltshire stonehengees six hundred kilometers This

2056
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 12: was moved four and a half thousand year years ago.

2057
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 12: They reckon it was moved by sea. It weighs six tons.

2058
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 12: My god, it's stonehengered. The mystery of it just fascinating.

2059
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 12: Where these people why, yeah.

2060
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 4: How would you even put a six ton stone on

2061
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 4: a boat.

2062
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 12: They've managed this. Look, there were no roads, there was

2063
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 12: no rail network, there was nothing, and most of Britain

2064
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 12: back then was forested and they've managed to get that

2065
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 12: from the absolute northeastern tip of Scotland six hundred kilometers.

2066
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,519
Speaker 12: And what intrigues me as well is even if they

2067
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 12: did do it by sea. I was looking at a

2068
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 12: map the other day and I thought, well, hang on,

2069
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,680
Speaker 12: they must have somehow sailed all the way around Scotland,

2070
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 12: all the way down the Irish Sea, come in at Bristol,

2071
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 12: and then it would still have to be carted maybe

2072
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:48,640
Speaker 12: one hundred and twenty k across land from the nearest seaport.

2073
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 12: It's extraordinary, it really is.

2074
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 4: People have actually been quite amazing for a very long

2075
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 4: time in the Thank you for that fascinating stuff into

2076
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:57,799
Speaker 4: Brady UK correspondence, even away from seven, whether.

2077
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 1: It's micro micro or just playing economics, it's all on

2078
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and my HR,

2079
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 1: the HR platform for sme US.

2080
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 4: Talks b Heather If maybe if KWI Rail had started

2081
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 4: at the same time as Stonehenge, we would have had

2082
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 4: a network by now. Maybe what do you think would

2083
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 4: happen if they loaded that six ton stone on one

2084
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 4: of the ferries with sink? I mean it probably actually

2085
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 4: we wouldn't even we wouldn't even sail because we're just

2086
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 4: crashed straight into something before we even got started. But

2087
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:29,679
Speaker 4: I think, I think, I mean, it's a sad day

2088
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:31,639
Speaker 4: when the people who build Stonehinge can do a better

2089
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 4: job than kee We Rail. Now, Lis, I'm meant to

2090
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:35,639
Speaker 4: tell you about this adaptation thing, right, So apparently we're

2091
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 4: not doing very good with climate change adaptation. I realize

2092
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 4: it's quite heavy just before seven o'clock. But there are

2093
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 4: two ways that you can deal with the climate, right.

2094
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 4: You can either go for the mitigation strategy or the

2095
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 4: adaptation strategy. The mitigation strategy is basically or you try

2096
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 4: to cut your emissions, try to stop the climate getting

2097
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 4: so hot. The adaptation strategy, which is basically one I

2098
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:57,559
Speaker 4: think we need to do, is where you go, it's

2099
01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 4: going to happen anyway, nothing we can do about it.

2100
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:01,799
Speaker 4: We're only zero point one seven percent of global emissions.

2101
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 4: Just adapt and basically how you adapt as you go

2102
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,639
Speaker 4: esc valley, watch out, it's gonna happen to you again.

2103
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:09,639
Speaker 4: We'll build you some stop banks, okay. And hey Auckland,

2104
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 4: West Auckland, we're just gonna move your houses because that's

2105
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 4: gonna flood again. We don't want you there. And Tarmaki Drive,

2106
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 4: We're just gonna build some stop banks. Maybe lift you up,

2107
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like you just go, Okay,

2108
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 4: it's gonna happen. So let's adapt anyway. The Climate Change

2109
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:22,840
Speaker 4: Commissions had to look at it, and we're not doing

2110
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 4: very well on the adaptation. They reckon it's already costing

2111
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 4: us heat like cyclone Gabrielle Auckland Anniversary weekend floods already

2112
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 4: cost us nearly fifteen billion dollars. What they want us

2113
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:35,320
Speaker 4: to do is decide, and this I think has got

2114
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 4: seven recommendations, but this is the most important one. Decide

2115
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 4: who is going to pay for it? Who pays what?

2116
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:44,600
Speaker 4: How much do they pay? What proportion is it the

2117
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:47,719
Speaker 4: private home owner? Is it the government? Is it local government?

2118
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 4: Who pays for it? I think that's the key question.

2119
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 4: Nailed right there. What have you got friends? Oh Andy's

2120
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:54,599
Speaker 4: in today? Not ants?

2121
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 23: And what have I got for you tonight?

2122
01:38:57,479 --> 01:38:57,839
Speaker 2: Well?

2123
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 28: Remember the artists back in twenty fourteen that reached number

2124
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 28: eight on the New Zealand Music Top forty album charts.

2125
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 28: Do you know who this is?

2126
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 16: No idea?

2127
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 28: His name is Kim Schultz, Kim dot com.

2128
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 4: Remember it just crimes against music? I mean that subject

2129
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:21,200
Speaker 4: that actually was that.

2130
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:23,639
Speaker 28: There was a MW Zealand Herald review on this because

2131
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:25,880
Speaker 28: it's called good Times this album. Chris Schultz called it

2132
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,920
Speaker 28: a musical miss and rate it at one star. I

2133
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,040
Speaker 28: think here's easy. Anyway, We're going out with some Chim

2134
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 28: dot com tonight. Roundhead Studios recorded that as well. Probably

2135
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 28: not their best move.

2136
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:35,920
Speaker 4: But now was that Neil Finn's place?

2137
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 28: Yeah, got a bit desperate.

2138
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 4: Well, we've all made mistakes, haven't we see you tomorrow?

2139
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2140
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