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Speaker 1: Write. A New Member's Bill by New Zealand First will

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Speaker 1: aim to define men and women. The bill wants to

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Speaker 1: codify sex based language, defining a woman is an adult

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Speaker 1: human biological female and a man as an adult human

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Speaker 1: biological male. It comes as Britain's highest court ruled that

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Speaker 1: only biological and not trans women meet a definition of

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Speaker 1: a woman under equity laws save Women's Sport Australasia. New

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Speaker 1: Zealand spokeswoman wrote Edge joins me now, good morning, Row,

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Speaker 1: thanks for your time, Well, good morning. Are you happy

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Speaker 1: with this bill? Is there anything you'd change?

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Speaker 2: No, I think it's much needed, you know. The Zealand

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Speaker 2: First Members Bill aims to ensure legal clarity on the

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Speaker 2: definition of a man and a woman, but in reality

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Speaker 2: its purpose is to protect the sex based rights of women.

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Speaker 2: Now globally, it's been recognized, and we saw this in

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Speaker 2: the UK last week that gender identity should not override

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Speaker 2: sex based provisions and protections. And so what this bill

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Speaker 2: does is it reinforces the urgent need for the likes

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Speaker 2: of support New Zealand to prioritize and protect venus and

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Speaker 2: safeties of biological females because we place thought with our

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Speaker 2: bodies not our identities.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we make this definition, but we don't actually

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Speaker 1: know how this bill would apply to other legislation yet,

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Speaker 1: do we know.

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Speaker 2: I think what it's about is ensuring that there is

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Speaker 2: that when women are referred to and men are referred

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Speaker 2: to in legislation and policy, that it is the biological

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Speaker 2: reality that is referred to. So you know, we see

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Speaker 2: with our Ministry for Women at the moment the definition

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Speaker 2: of woman as anyone who identifies as one. Well, it's

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Speaker 2: circular reasoning. I mean, what is a woman? Even Chris

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Speaker 2: Hipkins couldn't answer that, and why he might not deem

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Speaker 2: this as being a priority. Males competing and female thought

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Speaker 2: was actually the most of post social issue leading into

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Speaker 2: the last election, according to Labour's own posters. So would

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Speaker 2: suggest that given when he was asked as High Prime Minister,

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Speaker 2: like what is a woman and he couldn't answer it,

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Speaker 2: it's a great example of why this legislation is so

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Speaker 2: desperately needed.

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Speaker 1: What does this mean for trans people? I mean you

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Speaker 1: can't just ignore them.

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Speaker 2: No, this isn't about being anti anyone. It's about ensuring

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Speaker 2: the rights of women and girls are protected in law,

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Speaker 2: and these rights thoughtful by women over many generations and

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Speaker 2: some very valid reasons. We want everybody to be included,

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Speaker 2: like for instance, in sport because of the mental and

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Speaker 2: physical health benefits it brings, but it needs to be

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Speaker 2: in the category of their biological sex because otherwise it

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Speaker 2: raises fenness and safety issues.

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Speaker 1: But couldn't we have that discussion without having to go

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Speaker 1: through this sort of process of throughing this definition into legislation.

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Speaker 2: We have been trying to have this discussion for over

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Speaker 2: five years now and we've got absolutely nowhere. And what

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Speaker 2: we've seen is gender ideology completely capture our bureaucrats, our

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Speaker 2: policy and everything, and so women have had no rights

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Speaker 2: to speaking up. Now we've tried to, we've been labeled

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Speaker 2: bigots and TERFs and every other thing under the sun,

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Speaker 2: including Nazis. We haven't had this conversation. So you know,

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Speaker 2: this legislation is all being all about getting back to

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Speaker 2: some common sense.

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Speaker 1: Right, what are some of the current issues with women

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Speaker 1: in sport at the moment.

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Speaker 2: So we have males participating in women's and girls' sport

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Speaker 2: from while we're aware from intermediate level and above what's

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Speaker 2: happening as women are either self excluding, which is appalling

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Speaker 2: because we already have such a dramatic drop off rate

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Speaker 2: of females participation in sports through their teenage years. We're

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Speaker 2: seeing it in club sports and community sorts across the board.

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Speaker 2: You know, if this was really just about allowing everyone

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Speaker 2: to participate, there are mixed sex teams in nearly every

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Speaker 2: sport available in most communities, and so anyone can participate

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Speaker 2: in that. But what we're seeing is male advantage in

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Speaker 2: female sport, and when you include that, it excludes women.

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Speaker 1: Mett's members, Bill Rowe, do you think you know there's

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Speaker 1: a chance that this will never be heard.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope it will be, and I hope if

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Speaker 2: it's told from the ballot that National and Act will

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Speaker 2: support it, given by far the majority of their voters

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Speaker 2: according to our polling. Do but mind you Soda, Labor

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Speaker 2: and Green voters. So this is the irony. It's not

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Speaker 2: a left versus right issue, despite what the politicians say.

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Speaker 2: This is a right versus wrong issue, as by far

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Speaker 2: the majority of New Zealand is every political persuasion know

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Speaker 2: that males competing in female sport is wrong, Males and

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Speaker 2: female changing rooms is wrong. We just need to get

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Speaker 2: back to some common sense and make sure that we

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Speaker 2: create spaces where everyone feels welcome and comfortable ro.

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Speaker 1: Each Thanks so much for your time this morning. For

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