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Speaker 2: Welcome all ye great New Zealanders to the Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Ziby Afternoons podcast. We did two hours of intense

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Speaker 2: chat on nuclear energy in New Zealand. We had ex

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Speaker 2: National Energy Minister Max Bradford on the show. We had

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Speaker 2: a physicist from Auckland University, doctor.

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Speaker 3: David crow Coff crow Coft, he was a fascinating man.

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Speaker 3: You and stuff, that's for sure, and a lot of callers.

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Speaker 2: It turns out there's a hotbed of love for fish

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Speaker 2: and energy generation in this country. I was really happy

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Speaker 2: with that. And then we went deep into onion sausages

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Speaker 2: a great staple of Dunedin food.

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Speaker 3: I still don't know what they are, and chops a.

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Speaker 2: Wee patties as well, and there was a little bit

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Speaker 2: As we went deep into basketball as well, and a

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Speaker 2: lot of talk about my high school, Bogan Park High

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Speaker 2: School on Butts Road in Dunedan great school.

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Speaker 3: A lot of Alma Marta calling great memory Lane.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly is. It's not the most lauded school in

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Speaker 2: lot of attention. There's and there's John McGlashan, but Bogan

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Speaker 2: Park High School on Butts Road. I've always got a

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Speaker 2: special place in my heart. Fiftieth year this year of

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Speaker 2: its existence. So also it hasn't been around long.

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Speaker 3: Good memories, right, give me a taste a kiwi.

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Speaker 4: Talking with you all afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons New for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four News Talk zib.

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Speaker 3: Well, get a to you. Welcome into the show. It

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Speaker 3: is seven past one. Get a mets before we get

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Speaker 3: into the big issues. Tyler and everyone, A good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: I've got a question for you, please. How should I

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 2: Last night I was lying in bed and I got

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Speaker 3: What were you doing before you got cramps? I was

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Speaker 2: No, I was just lying there and then cramps and

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Speaker 2: I was going ah, and there was really painful clamps.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if she looked at me at any

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Speaker 2: And I said, oh, I did not have a stroke.

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Speaker 2: How should I feel about that?

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Speaker 2: You don't I don't. Have you ever seen me cramp

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Speaker 3: Only once once?

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Speaker 2: Well, if I do, I want you to come over

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Speaker 3: today after three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a bride was left crying after guests that are

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Speaker 3: Have vegan food. And if you don't turn up.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's after three o'clock, after two o'clock. In just

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you know what I didn't realize because I

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Speaker 2: But right now, leading globally experts Australia could build its

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Speaker 2: Totally different things. They're not what you use. The fuel

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Speaker 2: And good bloody luck trying to damn another river in

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine two is the text number. Let's get

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Speaker 2: We're talking about new clear reactors in New Zealand Australia.

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Speaker 2: Dutton's keen on it, but the current government hates it.

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Speaker 6: It takes a long time to get stuff done in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if we look if we look forward to the future,

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Speaker 2: And the technology in that region is developing very very fast.

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Speaker 2: So you know, maybe that's twenty forty that we can

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Speaker 6: Mean, what would be left behind?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and power is everything?

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Speaker 3: when do we sign the nuclear free Agreement?

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Speaker 2: Longest government in the eighties.

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Speaker 10: It's the primary objective.

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Speaker 9: To get cheaper power, because these guys, if they could

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Speaker 2: You've said that about a home and we shall sometimes

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Speaker 2: in the news again. They're discussing it in Australia. Should

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Speaker 2: I was ready about this this morning. When you look

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Speaker 2: one people died from the incident at chernobyl And scientific

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Speaker 2: So that's three incidents and not a whole lot of deaths.

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Speaker 3: It's a strong argument, isn't it. Yees oh, e one

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call Stan.

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Speaker 3: How how do you feel about nuclear energy in New Zealand.

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Speaker 11: I think it's pretty silly the way that the way

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Speaker 2: unbundle that mind and and you know, look to opening

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Speaker 2: small modular reactors, because ninety six percent of the waste

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Speaker 11: I think I think to.

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Speaker 12: Call it, to call it renewable full stop is a

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Speaker 7: Saying with Buddy wind as well, I think I think

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call. Stand you know

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Speaker 2: what we should do, Tyler, Yeah, we should instead of

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Speaker 3: tee that up for you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. Now, Matt, you've made some

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So we're going to talk to Dr

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Speaker 2: At some point. We'll just tee that up so we

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Speaker 2: for him, fire them through to us around nuclear power

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kicked off the conversation. Malcolm. You think we

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Speaker 14: Turbines are all great and wonderful, but yes they do

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Speaker 2: divides and releases a bunch of energy.

436
00:22:17,893 --> 00:22:20,213
Speaker 3: And that boils water right there, produces energy.

437
00:22:20,413 --> 00:22:23,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's how it works. So the fuel, as

438
00:22:23,133 --> 00:22:26,413
Speaker 2: you're talking about that, there's there's potential to use other fuels.

439
00:22:26,413 --> 00:22:28,773
Speaker 2: I don't know much about that, but that all goes

440
00:22:28,813 --> 00:22:31,493
Speaker 2: down to the wider thing. Whereas what we're sort of

441
00:22:31,493 --> 00:22:33,812
Speaker 2: saying is what I'm saying is that let's open our

442
00:22:33,893 --> 00:22:36,773
Speaker 2: mind to the idea of it, and as technology comes through,

443
00:22:37,693 --> 00:22:39,613
Speaker 2: then maybe we're on the path to getting it. It

444
00:22:39,693 --> 00:22:41,413
Speaker 2: might not be what we want right now, but it

445
00:22:41,533 --> 00:22:44,733
Speaker 2: might be the technology might change and be what we

446
00:22:44,813 --> 00:22:45,773
Speaker 2: want in fifteen years.

447
00:22:45,973 --> 00:22:49,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, who's doing the thorium is that the Chinese, Malcolm.

448
00:22:50,173 --> 00:22:52,293
Speaker 14: The Chinese have been working on thorium, so I think

449
00:22:52,413 --> 00:22:55,693
Speaker 14: India has as well. But it's the key thing is

450
00:22:55,813 --> 00:22:58,613
Speaker 14: that is that it doesn't it's not going to kill everybody.

451
00:22:58,653 --> 00:22:59,773
Speaker 14: You can stop the reaction.

452
00:22:59,973 --> 00:23:03,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you've got but right now, like the even

453
00:23:03,093 --> 00:23:05,453
Speaker 2: if you look at the record of nuclear power plants

454
00:23:05,453 --> 00:23:08,733
Speaker 2: since nineteen fifty five, we've only had three problems, and

455
00:23:09,013 --> 00:23:11,573
Speaker 2: two of them haven't been very haven't been as major

456
00:23:11,733 --> 00:23:14,532
Speaker 2: as as we thought they would be. And and if

457
00:23:14,573 --> 00:23:16,213
Speaker 2: you're talking about power plants that were built in the

458
00:23:16,253 --> 00:23:18,693
Speaker 2: fifties and sixties, they're very different from a power plant

459
00:23:18,733 --> 00:23:20,933
Speaker 2: that you'd build in twenty twenty four. So I think

460
00:23:21,013 --> 00:23:25,653
Speaker 2: even with the uranium power plants today, much much much safer.

461
00:23:25,733 --> 00:23:29,133
Speaker 2: In fact, you know, I think it's the latest ones.

462
00:23:29,213 --> 00:23:32,613
Speaker 2: It's pretty much impossible for them to melt down like

463
00:23:32,693 --> 00:23:33,533
Speaker 2: they did at Gernovl.

464
00:23:34,773 --> 00:23:36,813
Speaker 14: Well they build them now. They basically build all the

465
00:23:36,813 --> 00:23:40,653
Speaker 14: fatty features in them first and then they built out

466
00:23:40,733 --> 00:23:43,893
Speaker 14: from that. You know, they're the Corona designs and are constructed.

467
00:23:43,973 --> 00:23:46,333
Speaker 14: But more to the point if people are concerned about that,

468
00:23:47,093 --> 00:23:48,813
Speaker 14: I mean, like I say, this way it became to

469
00:23:48,933 --> 00:23:53,133
Speaker 14: thorium because it takes away all of that concern Yeah,

470
00:23:54,333 --> 00:23:55,893
Speaker 14: point nine percent of it. There's always going to be

471
00:23:55,933 --> 00:24:00,133
Speaker 14: that one point one of something random happening, but you

472
00:24:00,293 --> 00:24:02,693
Speaker 14: don't have the same half light. You don't have to

473
00:24:02,813 --> 00:24:03,933
Speaker 14: bury it in concrete.

474
00:24:05,293 --> 00:24:08,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds cool like that. That's thorium. Know much

475
00:24:08,653 --> 00:24:09,613
Speaker 2: about it, but I like the sound of it.

476
00:24:09,733 --> 00:24:12,333
Speaker 3: YMP two. Thank you very much, Malcolm. Interesting, John, you're

477
00:24:12,373 --> 00:24:16,493
Speaker 3: an electricity broken that's right, I am. And what's your

478
00:24:16,573 --> 00:24:19,493
Speaker 3: take on the idea of nuclear power energy in New Zealand.

479
00:24:20,573 --> 00:24:22,133
Speaker 15: Well, I'll put it this way, if you want a

480
00:24:22,213 --> 00:24:24,853
Speaker 15: reliable power source going forward, it's the only way you're

481
00:24:24,853 --> 00:24:27,053
Speaker 15: going to do it because quite frankly, you can't build

482
00:24:27,173 --> 00:24:30,253
Speaker 15: enough dans here to do it. The biggest problem we've

483
00:24:30,293 --> 00:24:35,813
Speaker 15: got at the moment is because of some political decisions

484
00:24:35,853 --> 00:24:37,893
Speaker 15: that were made a couple of years ago. What happens

485
00:24:37,933 --> 00:24:40,933
Speaker 15: when our our lakes start getting low is we switch

486
00:24:41,053 --> 00:24:44,933
Speaker 15: to gas. Because the gas generation at the moment is

487
00:24:45,013 --> 00:24:48,333
Speaker 15: super low. So the price is the power companies that

488
00:24:48,413 --> 00:24:50,453
Speaker 15: I'm dealing when I deal with all the major power companies,

489
00:24:52,253 --> 00:24:54,893
Speaker 15: several of them are deciding they are not going to

490
00:24:55,013 --> 00:24:57,173
Speaker 15: quote on new contracts because we don't know where the

491
00:24:57,213 --> 00:24:59,733
Speaker 15: pricing is going to go. A couple of others of

492
00:24:59,813 --> 00:25:04,493
Speaker 15: them have high prices by thirty fifteenth. Oh well that's

493
00:25:04,533 --> 00:25:06,573
Speaker 15: what the price rise will be going forward from now on.

494
00:25:08,533 --> 00:25:11,893
Speaker 15: The issue you've got is we just can't generate enough there.

495
00:25:11,893 --> 00:25:13,933
Speaker 15: And of course we have all the Greens running around

496
00:25:13,933 --> 00:25:15,933
Speaker 15: saying we've all got to buy evs and drive all that,

497
00:25:16,453 --> 00:25:18,573
Speaker 15: and everybody caught evs. You're just never going to be

498
00:25:18,613 --> 00:25:21,013
Speaker 15: able to do it. So popular power stations are a

499
00:25:21,093 --> 00:25:24,773
Speaker 15: great idea. And as you say, I mean they're pretty

500
00:25:25,133 --> 00:25:28,093
Speaker 15: they're safe in the last few years.

501
00:25:28,133 --> 00:25:30,573
Speaker 3: So well, you mentioned the reforms before, John, and I

502
00:25:30,653 --> 00:25:34,052
Speaker 3: was reading a piece quoting Max Bradford, who was kind

503
00:25:34,093 --> 00:25:36,773
Speaker 3: of the leader of the electricity reforms, and he was

504
00:25:36,813 --> 00:25:39,013
Speaker 3: big on nuclear power. He said, and I quote, in

505
00:25:39,093 --> 00:25:40,893
Speaker 3: my view, there is a solution to all of this.

506
00:25:41,293 --> 00:25:43,613
Speaker 3: It will be controversial, but which has become an increase

507
00:25:43,653 --> 00:25:46,173
Speaker 3: in an option around the world, and that is new

508
00:25:46,333 --> 00:25:49,133
Speaker 3: nuclear power sources of energy. So even the guy that

509
00:25:49,253 --> 00:25:52,173
Speaker 3: reformed the electricity network says it might be a good idea.

510
00:25:52,853 --> 00:25:56,653
Speaker 15: Absolutely, you know, I mean, at the moment, or a

511
00:25:56,693 --> 00:25:59,292
Speaker 15: lot of contracts that I've written idea or a lot

512
00:25:59,373 --> 00:26:02,413
Speaker 15: with schools and sports clubs and churches, all sort of

513
00:26:02,453 --> 00:26:06,653
Speaker 15: non for profit organizations, and a lot of those contracts

514
00:26:06,693 --> 00:26:08,813
Speaker 15: are coming up for renewal right now. As a state,

515
00:26:09,013 --> 00:26:12,453
Speaker 15: the power companies are so scared about what approaches are

516
00:26:12,493 --> 00:26:14,413
Speaker 15: going to be going forward that a lot of them

517
00:26:14,613 --> 00:26:17,653
Speaker 15: I'm not I'm not even agreeing to write contracts. They're

518
00:26:17,693 --> 00:26:20,653
Speaker 15: just saying, well, we're just two or three of them.

519
00:26:20,773 --> 00:26:23,733
Speaker 15: So the price rise is already predicted around thirty percent,

520
00:26:23,853 --> 00:26:26,213
Speaker 15: and I've seen three of them already just smiling.

521
00:26:26,693 --> 00:26:31,493
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And of course nuclear generation comes with a

522
00:26:31,613 --> 00:26:36,053
Speaker 2: huge cost at this point in the initial investment, looking

523
00:26:36,133 --> 00:26:40,413
Speaker 2: at billions and billions and billions of dollars potentially, I mean,

524
00:26:40,493 --> 00:26:42,133
Speaker 2: and trying to build something in New Zealand, and that's

525
00:26:42,533 --> 00:26:44,493
Speaker 2: an issue. If we can't even build a hole in

526
00:26:44,533 --> 00:26:47,693
Speaker 2: the ground for under five under six billion dollars, then

527
00:26:48,253 --> 00:26:50,773
Speaker 2: then we're going to have trouble to build a nuclear

528
00:26:50,813 --> 00:26:54,093
Speaker 2: power plant. But that's why I'm talking about these small

529
00:26:54,173 --> 00:26:56,493
Speaker 2: modulary actors and all the technology that's coming in there.

530
00:26:56,533 --> 00:26:59,613
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a potential that we'll have in fifteen

531
00:27:00,053 --> 00:27:04,013
Speaker 2: years will have container sized nuclear power plants. Yeah, so

532
00:27:04,453 --> 00:27:05,653
Speaker 2: we just need to open our mind.

533
00:27:05,973 --> 00:27:07,893
Speaker 3: John, thank you very much. And just on that point,

534
00:27:07,933 --> 00:27:10,373
Speaker 3: I was a big supporter of the Lake Onslow project,

535
00:27:10,573 --> 00:27:12,973
Speaker 3: but that was sixteen billion dollars. And now I'm looking

536
00:27:13,013 --> 00:27:15,813
Speaker 3: at that project and thinking, thank god they ditched that.

537
00:27:16,013 --> 00:27:18,413
Speaker 3: But you could put not that we have sixteen billion dollars.

538
00:27:18,733 --> 00:27:21,532
Speaker 3: But I think, you know, going forward, you know, luckily

539
00:27:21,613 --> 00:27:23,493
Speaker 3: they ditched that. But now they could look at a

540
00:27:23,493 --> 00:27:25,893
Speaker 3: strategy like you're talking about here, what is a small

541
00:27:25,933 --> 00:27:26,533
Speaker 3: reactor cost?

542
00:27:26,813 --> 00:27:28,493
Speaker 2: Well smaller I don't know. I don't know how much

543
00:27:28,533 --> 00:27:30,893
Speaker 2: they cost now a lot, but we're talking about the future.

544
00:27:31,653 --> 00:27:35,013
Speaker 2: They're currently still in the billions, and you know they're

545
00:27:35,053 --> 00:27:37,333
Speaker 2: looking at I mean, there's a nuclear power plant that

546
00:27:37,773 --> 00:27:39,853
Speaker 2: someone was looking at a building that was eighty eight

547
00:27:39,893 --> 00:27:43,733
Speaker 2: billion in the UK, so that's not great. But the

548
00:27:43,893 --> 00:27:48,013
Speaker 2: ideas as they become modular, and that you know, modular

549
00:27:48,093 --> 00:27:50,693
Speaker 2: being that making it possible for systems and components to

550
00:27:50,733 --> 00:27:53,293
Speaker 2: be factory assembled and transported as a unit to a

551
00:27:53,373 --> 00:27:56,533
Speaker 2: location for installation, then that makes it very very different.

552
00:27:57,173 --> 00:27:59,253
Speaker 2: So that that is the future. And when that starts

553
00:27:59,293 --> 00:28:01,093
Speaker 2: happening and they start coming off the production line, then

554
00:28:01,133 --> 00:28:03,013
Speaker 2: that changes absolutely everything.

555
00:28:03,213 --> 00:28:03,453
Speaker 4: Love it.

556
00:28:03,533 --> 00:28:05,133
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

557
00:28:05,133 --> 00:28:08,133
Speaker 3: to call. It is twenty to two the big.

558
00:28:08,093 --> 00:28:11,733
Speaker 1: Store or the big issues, the big trends and everything

559
00:28:11,813 --> 00:28:15,253
Speaker 1: in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons you for

560
00:28:15,373 --> 00:28:17,293
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four US Talk said.

561
00:28:17,093 --> 00:28:19,013
Speaker 3: Be good afternoon. It's eighteen to two.

562
00:28:19,253 --> 00:28:22,773
Speaker 2: We're talking about nuclear power, nuclear reactors in New Zealand

563
00:28:23,173 --> 00:28:25,333
Speaker 2: pumping up our grid. Is it a possibility in the future.

564
00:28:25,373 --> 00:28:27,213
Speaker 2: Do we need to open our minds to it just

565
00:28:27,293 --> 00:28:29,573
Speaker 2: in case the technology comes right such we could afford

566
00:28:29,613 --> 00:28:31,572
Speaker 2: it a text to here on nine two nine two

567
00:28:31,613 --> 00:28:33,813
Speaker 2: seys nuclear fission reactor. Where do we put it? Do

568
00:28:33,933 --> 00:28:37,533
Speaker 2: all the new safeties cover nucleus missile strikes, not nuclear

569
00:28:37,573 --> 00:28:40,573
Speaker 2: missile strokes, missile strokes, or do we just become an

570
00:28:40,613 --> 00:28:42,813
Speaker 2: efficient state to wipe out in the case of a

571
00:28:42,853 --> 00:28:46,093
Speaker 2: modern war. No, it's a different thing. The uranium is

572
00:28:46,133 --> 00:28:48,253
Speaker 2: not enriched enough that you know, you could hit it

573
00:28:48,293 --> 00:28:50,013
Speaker 2: with whatever you want, and it's not gonna it's not

574
00:28:50,093 --> 00:28:53,413
Speaker 2: going to form a train reaction like a nuclear bond does.

575
00:28:53,613 --> 00:28:56,013
Speaker 2: It's only enrich to five percent. I believe the uranium

576
00:28:56,053 --> 00:28:58,693
Speaker 2: that you use in a reactor totally different thing.

577
00:28:58,773 --> 00:29:01,613
Speaker 3: So that solves that one. Yep, Donald, how are you?

578
00:29:02,653 --> 00:29:05,733
Speaker 16: I'm good saying so I'm not overly keen, because I

579
00:29:05,813 --> 00:29:07,133
Speaker 16: mean a way afford it. The a heck of a

580
00:29:07,173 --> 00:29:09,333
Speaker 16: lot of oppos listening to put it in South Auckland

581
00:29:09,453 --> 00:29:11,293
Speaker 16: or you know, near Wayuka or something like that, that

582
00:29:11,413 --> 00:29:13,693
Speaker 16: the immediately opposition. I'm just assuming that I'm on the

583
00:29:13,893 --> 00:29:16,293
Speaker 16: other end of the island. A couple of things. I'm

584
00:29:16,293 --> 00:29:18,453
Speaker 16: wondering if either of you actually ever seen a nuclear

585
00:29:18,533 --> 00:29:19,853
Speaker 16: power station in person.

586
00:29:20,333 --> 00:29:24,853
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, okay, Well, the one that I saw is

587
00:29:24,933 --> 00:29:27,373
Speaker 3: not a good example was that I was in Japan

588
00:29:27,453 --> 00:29:30,453
Speaker 3: after the earthquake and had a tour as close as

589
00:29:30,493 --> 00:29:33,133
Speaker 3: we could get to Fukishima, and I could see it,

590
00:29:33,293 --> 00:29:35,813
Speaker 3: but we couldn't get that close obviously because what had happened.

591
00:29:36,213 --> 00:29:38,253
Speaker 16: Were you concerned about yourself?

592
00:29:38,853 --> 00:29:41,533
Speaker 3: Well, no, because it was part of a tour group

593
00:29:42,453 --> 00:29:44,973
Speaker 3: and they got us to a point that was safe.

594
00:29:45,013 --> 00:29:46,853
Speaker 3: They had Geiger counters and all the rest of it,

595
00:29:46,973 --> 00:29:48,893
Speaker 3: So that part was a bit scary. But there was

596
00:29:48,973 --> 00:29:50,853
Speaker 3: no men in you know, full suits and all that

597
00:29:50,973 --> 00:29:53,693
Speaker 3: sort of thing going on. But it was interesting to

598
00:29:54,053 --> 00:29:54,973
Speaker 3: see it from a distance.

599
00:29:56,053 --> 00:29:56,253
Speaker 7: Yeah.

600
00:29:56,453 --> 00:29:58,853
Speaker 16: I had a trip to I know it was years ago.

601
00:29:58,973 --> 00:30:01,533
Speaker 16: I went around America by greyhound in nineteen eighty as

602
00:30:01,573 --> 00:30:04,093
Speaker 16: part of a two months trip, six weeks travel. On

603
00:30:04,133 --> 00:30:07,173
Speaker 16: the very last day, I got the Greyhound from San

604
00:30:07,253 --> 00:30:09,493
Speaker 16: Diego up to La About part way out the coast

605
00:30:09,533 --> 00:30:11,773
Speaker 16: appears be a great big nuclear power station between them

606
00:30:12,013 --> 00:30:14,013
Speaker 16: freeway and the coast. This is about an hour two

607
00:30:14,093 --> 00:30:16,853
Speaker 16: north of San Diego. As surprised he'd be by the

608
00:30:16,933 --> 00:30:19,853
Speaker 16: shape of it, and that had to be commercial tomatoes

609
00:30:19,933 --> 00:30:20,813
Speaker 16: or something grown right.

610
00:30:20,773 --> 00:30:21,373
Speaker 9: Up to the eat.

611
00:30:21,853 --> 00:30:24,053
Speaker 16: Yeah, truly, Wow, is that safe?

612
00:30:24,133 --> 00:30:24,253
Speaker 17: You know?

613
00:30:24,253 --> 00:30:26,893
Speaker 16: I mean, I know it's California, but no doubt it's

614
00:30:26,933 --> 00:30:28,893
Speaker 16: still there. It was the last day in America and

615
00:30:28,893 --> 00:30:30,653
Speaker 16: I've done it by a bus six weeks and got

616
00:30:30,733 --> 00:30:32,693
Speaker 16: right across and I was started to see It's the

617
00:30:32,733 --> 00:30:35,093
Speaker 16: first time that I'd ever seen, you know, and I thought, well,

618
00:30:35,133 --> 00:30:37,093
Speaker 16: I assume it's still there people, I know, because people

619
00:30:37,213 --> 00:30:39,413
Speaker 16: going to America. I haven't been back ever since because

620
00:30:39,413 --> 00:30:41,733
Speaker 16: I'm at me on flying, but it was my only

621
00:30:41,893 --> 00:30:44,733
Speaker 16: chance to see one, you know. But if you have

622
00:30:44,813 --> 00:30:47,653
Speaker 16: to north of me, about forty minutes, Palmas North is incredible.

623
00:30:47,653 --> 00:30:50,053
Speaker 16: There's about eighty eight wind turbines on the hill there

624
00:30:50,373 --> 00:30:52,053
Speaker 16: and the more you look for your see and it's

625
00:30:52,093 --> 00:30:53,693
Speaker 16: if you use a saddle road like I had to

626
00:30:53,813 --> 00:30:55,973
Speaker 16: two years ago. The faurbines are very close and you

627
00:30:56,013 --> 00:30:57,773
Speaker 16: almost feel like the blades are going to fly through

628
00:30:57,813 --> 00:31:00,453
Speaker 16: the car windscreen, you know. And just another brief one.

629
00:31:01,093 --> 00:31:03,053
Speaker 16: Just you've heard of a town called Shannon. There is

630
00:31:03,093 --> 00:31:05,133
Speaker 16: a place called Manga. How is a steep little river

631
00:31:05,253 --> 00:31:07,733
Speaker 16: there and they got damned in the nineteen twenties built

632
00:31:07,773 --> 00:31:10,773
Speaker 16: a tunnel that was New Zealand's first hydro electric scheme.

633
00:31:10,853 --> 00:31:13,053
Speaker 16: It's quite a small power station in a place called

634
00:31:13,093 --> 00:31:16,253
Speaker 16: Shannon on a man Our River where there's river rafting,

635
00:31:16,293 --> 00:31:18,293
Speaker 16: and I believe it was the first hydro electric power

636
00:31:18,333 --> 00:31:20,653
Speaker 16: station New Zealand. It actually ended up supplying sort of

637
00:31:20,653 --> 00:31:23,253
Speaker 16: southern North Island Greater Wellington with power in nineteen twenty

638
00:31:23,293 --> 00:31:25,773
Speaker 16: four and it still operates. Was the first, you know,

639
00:31:26,253 --> 00:31:28,213
Speaker 16: but of course they were pioneer days. But I mean

640
00:31:28,213 --> 00:31:30,173
Speaker 16: there were plans to build a dam on the Otechi River,

641
00:31:30,213 --> 00:31:32,333
Speaker 16: which is quite broad and regional amount of water. But

642
00:31:32,373 --> 00:31:35,133
Speaker 16: these have never come to fruition. You know, so much

643
00:31:35,333 --> 00:31:37,253
Speaker 16: for these days and what these plants used to be

644
00:31:37,373 --> 00:31:39,453
Speaker 16: and maybe well maybe I'll just have to.

645
00:31:39,493 --> 00:31:40,173
Speaker 5: Wait and see, you know.

646
00:31:40,333 --> 00:31:42,373
Speaker 2: But well, it's interesting you were saying about the tomatoes

647
00:31:42,413 --> 00:31:45,293
Speaker 2: growing beside the power plant. The World Health Organization has

648
00:31:45,413 --> 00:31:47,213
Speaker 2: said that it's safer to work in a nuclear power

649
00:31:47,253 --> 00:31:49,533
Speaker 2: plant than a big city office. As the urban air

650
00:31:49,573 --> 00:31:53,533
Speaker 2: pollution of ozone, sulfur, carbon monoxide, and nitrogenoxa causes seven

651
00:31:53,573 --> 00:31:56,653
Speaker 2: million deaths annually, only zero point zero zero five percent

652
00:31:56,653 --> 00:31:59,973
Speaker 2: of the average Americans yearly radiation dose comes from nuclear power.

653
00:32:00,013 --> 00:32:03,173
Speaker 2: That is two hundred times less than a cross country flight,

654
00:32:03,253 --> 00:32:05,253
Speaker 2: one hundred times less than what you get from coal,

655
00:32:05,333 --> 00:32:07,613
Speaker 2: and about the same as eating one banana per year.

656
00:32:08,573 --> 00:32:10,573
Speaker 2: So it's about as dangerous as bananas.

657
00:32:10,693 --> 00:32:12,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, what does that change your thoughts on?

658
00:32:12,213 --> 00:32:12,333
Speaker 18: Well?

659
00:32:13,893 --> 00:32:20,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good facts. Fact. Cheers cheers, Donald. And I

660
00:32:20,333 --> 00:32:22,733
Speaker 3: suppose when we're talking about the technology that you've mentioned

661
00:32:22,813 --> 00:32:26,173
Speaker 3: numerous times, the smaller type reactors that are now being

662
00:32:26,253 --> 00:32:28,733
Speaker 3: developed and coming to the four, we're not talking about

663
00:32:28,893 --> 00:32:33,213
Speaker 3: populating New Zealand with the Simpson style nuclear reactor, are we. Yeah,

664
00:32:33,333 --> 00:32:35,813
Speaker 3: it's going to complement what we do with renewables. Is

665
00:32:35,853 --> 00:32:37,093
Speaker 3: that that's the idea behind it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. And then and the Simpsons have got

667
00:32:39,413 --> 00:32:42,813
Speaker 2: a lot to blame for the fear Mangerine. There's the

668
00:32:42,893 --> 00:32:45,693
Speaker 2: movie The China Syndrome I believe it, believe it was,

669
00:32:45,773 --> 00:32:47,413
Speaker 2: and that came out. This is part of the reason

670
00:32:47,413 --> 00:32:50,333
Speaker 2: why people are so terrified about nuclear power plants, despite

671
00:32:50,973 --> 00:32:53,693
Speaker 2: the lack of major meltdowns and problems in the world,

672
00:32:53,813 --> 00:32:57,133
Speaker 2: is that a movie came out called The China Syndrome

673
00:32:57,493 --> 00:33:00,853
Speaker 2: and then three weeks later, Three Mile Island melted down.

674
00:33:01,173 --> 00:33:03,773
Speaker 2: So it was two major events so close together, and

675
00:33:03,893 --> 00:33:06,333
Speaker 2: then that sort of created the whole culture that continues

676
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Speaker 2: on to this day. And of course then we had

677
00:33:08,493 --> 00:33:12,813
Speaker 2: Noval as well, and then for Coatuma recently, so there's

678
00:33:12,853 --> 00:33:15,453
Speaker 2: been these big things in our minds that stuck out.

679
00:33:15,533 --> 00:33:17,173
Speaker 2: But When you actually count the numbers of the and

680
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Speaker 2: the damage that's been done by these compared to the

681
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Speaker 2: hours and the amount of power generated, it's much less

682
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Speaker 2: than traditional sources of generating energy.

683
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so what was the deal with three Mile There

684
00:33:28,053 --> 00:33:31,573
Speaker 3: was obviously contamination than they had to declassify that reactor

685
00:33:31,613 --> 00:33:34,333
Speaker 3: for some time. But as I think Mike was talking

686
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Speaker 3: about this this morning, those three Mile Island reactors are

687
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Speaker 3: potentially going to be restarted soon.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

689
00:33:40,253 --> 00:33:42,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're starting very very soon. But no one died

690
00:33:42,333 --> 00:33:44,933
Speaker 2: at three Mile Island despite all the hype, and most

691
00:33:45,573 --> 00:33:49,173
Speaker 2: epidemiological studies found that it had no detectable health consequences

692
00:33:49,293 --> 00:33:49,733
Speaker 2: on anyone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

694
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Speaker 3: to call. Nine two nine two is the text number

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Speaker 3: back in a mo It is twelve to.

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Speaker 1: Two Matteeth, Taylor Adams steaking your calls on oh, eight

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Speaker 1: hundred eighty eight Matteth and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 4: That'd be.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about nuclear power generation. It's in the news

700
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Speaker 2: in Australia. One size says they want it, the other

701
00:34:14,333 --> 00:34:16,093
Speaker 2: side says they don't. But do we want it? Here

702
00:34:16,172 --> 00:34:19,212
Speaker 2: there's a text on nine two nineteen. Nuclear is not clean.

703
00:34:19,253 --> 00:34:21,773
Speaker 2: The waste must be stored for millions of years. When

704
00:34:21,813 --> 00:34:26,413
Speaker 2: you see levels rise as bikini athletes, the Pacific is stuffed. Okay,

705
00:34:26,453 --> 00:34:29,573
Speaker 2: Pacific ethletes ninety seven percent of the waste. This is

706
00:34:29,653 --> 00:34:31,573
Speaker 2: just counter that ninety seven percent of the waste created

707
00:34:31,573 --> 00:34:34,933
Speaker 2: by nuclear plants waste as classified as low or intermediate level.

708
00:34:35,333 --> 00:34:37,413
Speaker 2: All the nuclear waste in the US is often compared

709
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Speaker 2: to the size of a football field part fifty meters high.

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Speaker 2: The World Nuclear Socian describes the waste as encapsulated in

711
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Speaker 2: highly engineered casks in stable vitrified form and is placed

712
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Speaker 2: at the depths well BeO the biosphere. Such long term

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00:34:50,213 --> 00:34:52,893
Speaker 2: geological storage solutions are designed to prevent any movement of

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Speaker 2: radioactivity for thousands of years, so even in the event

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Speaker 2: of an earthquake or natural disaster, these repositories will keep

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Speaker 2: the waste from reaching the surface and are realizing radiation.

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Speaker 2: In addition, so and ninety six percent of the waste

718
00:35:06,573 --> 00:35:08,893
Speaker 2: gets recycled can be recycled back through the system.

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Speaker 3: Yeah Gooduh, Greg, you think we've talked here, you go, mate, Matt, Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Hey, I think we should look at it.

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00:35:17,853 --> 00:35:19,013
Speaker 8: I think we've had a head in.

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00:35:19,053 --> 00:35:21,653
Speaker 19: The sand attitude about this for years and that stupid

723
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Speaker 19: policy we've got. We actually, and I quote from the

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Speaker 19: Listening Article of at least twelve years ago to still.

725
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Speaker 18: Have hold of it.

726
00:35:28,813 --> 00:35:32,013
Speaker 19: We had over seven hundred shipments a year of industrial

727
00:35:32,093 --> 00:35:36,453
Speaker 19: for industrial, medical and scientific services of nuclear product into

728
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Speaker 19: New Zealand. What do people think it's in your smoke

729
00:35:39,093 --> 00:35:41,933
Speaker 19: alarms orhen you have an X ray, you're not nuclear

730
00:35:42,013 --> 00:35:47,213
Speaker 19: friend and so you know they could address safety concerns.

731
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Speaker 19: I think there's something we should seriously look at because

732
00:35:50,773 --> 00:35:53,733
Speaker 19: all these so called renewables have proved a problem. I mean,

733
00:35:53,813 --> 00:35:56,893
Speaker 19: we've had that ridiculous situation where we've imported rubbish coal

734
00:35:56,973 --> 00:35:59,732
Speaker 19: from Indonesia and we've got our own coal and it's

735
00:35:59,773 --> 00:36:03,733
Speaker 19: coming here on thirty ships and so forth, which is ridiculous.

736
00:36:04,133 --> 00:36:08,013
Speaker 19: As far as the nuclear weapons for our security, I

737
00:36:08,253 --> 00:36:11,013
Speaker 19: had no problem for the Americans turning up with something here,

738
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Speaker 19: and I was I'm digressing here. I was a bit

739
00:36:13,773 --> 00:36:16,453
Speaker 19: of pulled by just under and German aucast came up.

740
00:36:16,533 --> 00:36:19,293
Speaker 19: She should they won't be welcomed the submarine senor the

741
00:36:19,373 --> 00:36:22,893
Speaker 19: Australian subs. But someone was coming down to have a

742
00:36:22,973 --> 00:36:24,933
Speaker 19: crack of this would soon be quite happy to come

743
00:36:25,013 --> 00:36:26,253
Speaker 19: under the nuclear umbrella.

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Speaker 3: M Yeah, it's a fair point, Greg, I mean, just

745
00:36:29,773 --> 00:36:32,533
Speaker 3: on that, just on the first point you mentioned there

746
00:36:32,573 --> 00:36:37,813
Speaker 3: about our nuclear free stance, do you think attitudes has

747
00:36:37,853 --> 00:36:40,093
Speaker 3: shifted dramatically since then?

748
00:36:40,253 --> 00:36:40,493
Speaker 9: I do.

749
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Speaker 3: I think if there was a servant, I imagine there

750
00:36:42,573 --> 00:36:44,093
Speaker 3: has been in the last couple of years, and I'll

751
00:36:44,133 --> 00:36:46,613
Speaker 3: try and find that. But I imagine most people when

752
00:36:46,653 --> 00:36:49,212
Speaker 3: asked that question about nuclear energy would be far more

753
00:36:49,293 --> 00:36:51,333
Speaker 3: open minded than they were twenty years ago.

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Speaker 19: Oh of course, just like you know when I went

755
00:36:55,573 --> 00:36:58,013
Speaker 19: over Season eighty seven to Europe and that I had

756
00:36:58,053 --> 00:37:00,373
Speaker 19: the New Zealand nuclear free tooth year, and I thought

757
00:37:00,453 --> 00:37:02,533
Speaker 19: I would stuck it up everyone and aren't we great?

758
00:37:02,853 --> 00:37:04,693
Speaker 19: But no one gave a toss of Now that no

759
00:37:04,773 --> 00:37:06,493
Speaker 19: one came up to me, And seven and a half

760
00:37:06,653 --> 00:37:10,133
Speaker 19: years Overseason Living and Europe have been out in Israel,

761
00:37:10,253 --> 00:37:13,093
Speaker 19: no one came up and congratulated me over our policy.

762
00:37:13,493 --> 00:37:15,893
Speaker 19: And it was almost a hysteria that was worked up.

763
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Speaker 20: At the time.

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Speaker 19: And you know, this retill were so great. You know,

765
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Speaker 19: there were people of that frightened because there was talk

766
00:37:22,893 --> 00:37:26,133
Speaker 19: of having a limited nuclear war in Europe. Well, I mean,

767
00:37:26,613 --> 00:37:30,453
Speaker 19: I'll say this, nuclear weapons are horrible, with so chemical

768
00:37:30,533 --> 00:37:33,293
Speaker 19: weapons and we could read the world of each one

769
00:37:33,333 --> 00:37:35,853
Speaker 19: of them tomorrow, say do it, but it's just not realistic.

770
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you so much for you call greg

771
00:37:38,773 --> 00:37:40,973
Speaker 2: and an interesting thing as well as people. If you're

772
00:37:40,973 --> 00:37:45,252
Speaker 2: buying cars in New Zealand, many of them are made

773
00:37:46,053 --> 00:37:50,413
Speaker 2: through energy generated by nuclear power plants. So yeah, well,

774
00:37:50,453 --> 00:37:52,773
Speaker 2: of course, because they're made in Japan, and they're made

775
00:37:52,813 --> 00:37:55,933
Speaker 2: in China, and they're made in the US some cars

776
00:37:56,373 --> 00:37:59,133
Speaker 2: and that there, and you know anything made in France.

777
00:37:59,173 --> 00:38:02,693
Speaker 2: I mean, seventy percent of France's powers generated from nuclear

778
00:38:02,733 --> 00:38:06,853
Speaker 2: power plants. So you are enjoying the fruits of nuclear

779
00:38:07,173 --> 00:38:09,693
Speaker 2: power generation, whether you like it or not.

780
00:38:09,973 --> 00:38:12,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, John, we've got about sixty seconds.

781
00:38:14,013 --> 00:38:17,692
Speaker 21: Oh that's not much time, right. One of the things

782
00:38:17,693 --> 00:38:21,212
Speaker 21: with nuclear that they never mentioned is the decommissioning cost

783
00:38:21,293 --> 00:38:22,333
Speaker 21: of a nuclear power station.

784
00:38:23,013 --> 00:38:24,053
Speaker 4: I lived in the UK.

785
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Speaker 21: During the eighties and nineties and they started decommitioning their

786
00:38:27,973 --> 00:38:31,853
Speaker 21: first nuclear power stations. It suddenly dawned on them it

787
00:38:31,973 --> 00:38:34,493
Speaker 21: was going to cost them more to decommission them than

788
00:38:34,533 --> 00:38:37,773
Speaker 21: they ever made profit from the electricity they generated. Right,

789
00:38:39,093 --> 00:38:41,373
Speaker 21: and you add that onto the cost of building them

790
00:38:42,133 --> 00:38:44,533
Speaker 21: and then having to store all this stuff once they

791
00:38:44,613 --> 00:38:48,533
Speaker 21: decommission it, because you know, if you bury it deep underground,

792
00:38:48,653 --> 00:38:52,173
Speaker 21: that's a huge cost doing that Economically, they're just not worthwhile.

793
00:38:52,413 --> 00:38:54,493
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I guess what we're saying here is, John,

794
00:38:54,653 --> 00:38:57,373
Speaker 2: is that we're we're talking about being open to the

795
00:38:57,453 --> 00:39:01,093
Speaker 2: new advances in things such as the small modulary actors,

796
00:39:01,573 --> 00:39:05,973
Speaker 2: which have a much smaller construction cost and a much

797
00:39:06,013 --> 00:39:10,093
Speaker 2: smaller decommission cost. So I guess what you're saying right

798
00:39:10,133 --> 00:39:12,813
Speaker 2: now absolutely that the old power plants might not have

799
00:39:12,853 --> 00:39:15,133
Speaker 2: been worth it with the decommissioning. But there's new technology

800
00:39:15,173 --> 00:39:15,973
Speaker 2: coming through all the time.

801
00:39:17,133 --> 00:39:19,133
Speaker 21: Yeah, but it's not ready and it's not going to

802
00:39:19,173 --> 00:39:20,013
Speaker 21: be ready for years.

803
00:39:20,533 --> 00:39:21,293
Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah.

804
00:39:21,333 --> 00:39:23,333
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but you know, we can talk in

805
00:39:23,413 --> 00:39:25,652
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty years, but now it might be the time

806
00:39:25,693 --> 00:39:27,213
Speaker 2: to think about it. We've got to start thinking as

807
00:39:27,253 --> 00:39:30,133
Speaker 2: a country long term around our power, especially if we're

808
00:39:30,133 --> 00:39:32,413
Speaker 2: going to be pushing people into evs and.

809
00:39:32,493 --> 00:39:39,293
Speaker 21: Such to generate power quicker. Take those hydro dams in

810
00:39:39,333 --> 00:39:43,173
Speaker 21: the South Island, huge bodies of water, put floating solar

811
00:39:43,253 --> 00:39:45,853
Speaker 21: palms on them. Yeah, so then connect straight into the

812
00:39:45,893 --> 00:39:47,333
Speaker 21: power system because it's right there.

813
00:39:48,293 --> 00:39:48,453
Speaker 7: Yeah.

814
00:39:48,493 --> 00:39:50,253
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, John. We might try and get to talk

815
00:39:50,253 --> 00:39:53,573
Speaker 2: to you after the break, but we're also going to

816
00:39:53,613 --> 00:39:57,413
Speaker 2: talk to doctor David croftcheck senior lecture in physics at

817
00:39:57,453 --> 00:40:01,893
Speaker 2: Auckland University about this. So nuclear power generation in New Zealand. Yeah,

818
00:40:01,973 --> 00:40:03,053
Speaker 2: on a talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

820
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Speaker 3: to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number

821
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Speaker 3: Sport and Weather or on its way. You're listening to

822
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Speaker 3: matt and Tyler. Good afternoon to.

823
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Speaker 1: You, your new home for instateful and entertaining talk. It's

824
00:40:27,733 --> 00:40:31,493
Speaker 1: Mattie and Tyler Adams Afternoons on Youth Talk.

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Speaker 3: Sebby, good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.

826
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Speaker 3: Being a great discussion about nuclear energy.

827
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love talking about this subject. It was all

828
00:40:40,773 --> 00:40:44,172
Speaker 2: started off when leading global experts in Australia could build

829
00:40:44,173 --> 00:40:47,453
Speaker 2: its first nuclear actor within twelve years. Dunton loves it,

830
00:40:47,573 --> 00:40:50,373
Speaker 2: but the current government Australia hates it. But what about here?

831
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Speaker 2: Is it time to open our minds to nuclear power generation.

832
00:40:54,133 --> 00:40:57,692
Speaker 2: It's getting cheaper. There's innovations all over the shop. If

833
00:40:57,733 --> 00:41:00,373
Speaker 2: we don't open our minds now will we be left behind?

834
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Speaker 2: And to that end, we've we've managed to track down

835
00:41:05,573 --> 00:41:07,213
Speaker 2: we thought it'd be important to because I'm I'm not

836
00:41:07,253 --> 00:41:07,773
Speaker 2: a physicist.

837
00:41:08,013 --> 00:41:09,773
Speaker 3: No surprisingly neither am I.

838
00:41:09,893 --> 00:41:12,413
Speaker 2: I do spend a lot of time watching physics videos

839
00:41:12,493 --> 00:41:15,652
Speaker 2: on YouTube and my feed is absolutely packed with them

840
00:41:15,893 --> 00:41:19,652
Speaker 2: because I'm interested in it, but I'm not smart enough

841
00:41:19,693 --> 00:41:22,293
Speaker 2: to fully understand things. So we've tracked down an expert

842
00:41:22,373 --> 00:41:23,253
Speaker 2: from Walkland University.

843
00:41:23,373 --> 00:41:25,493
Speaker 3: We certainly have, and he's on the line now. His

844
00:41:25,653 --> 00:41:28,853
Speaker 3: name is doctor David kraft Cheek. He's a senior lecturer

845
00:41:28,893 --> 00:41:31,973
Speaker 3: in physics at the University of Auckland. David, A very

846
00:41:31,973 --> 00:41:32,973
Speaker 3: good afternoon.

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Speaker 22: To you, Deephine, thanks for having.

848
00:41:34,933 --> 00:41:38,253
Speaker 2: The doctor kraftcheck. How safe is nuclear power generation.

849
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Speaker 22: It's safer than you hear in the news because you

850
00:41:41,653 --> 00:41:47,173
Speaker 22: hear terrible disasters in Fukushima and Chernobyl and in my

851
00:41:47,333 --> 00:41:50,493
Speaker 22: home state of Pennsylvania, even in the nineteen seventies three

852
00:41:50,573 --> 00:41:56,493
Speaker 22: Mile Island. But these are really abnormal events. They are

853
00:41:56,573 --> 00:42:01,493
Speaker 22: not the normal path for the operation of nuclear power plants.

854
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Speaker 2: Now, when it comes to the waste product of nuclear

855
00:42:04,853 --> 00:42:08,133
Speaker 2: power generation, I understand that around ninety six percent of

856
00:42:08,173 --> 00:42:12,373
Speaker 2: it be reused, but houseife is the disposal of the

857
00:42:12,573 --> 00:42:13,533
Speaker 2: final full pascene.

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Speaker 22: Most of the waste now is stored on site in

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00:42:17,733 --> 00:42:20,933
Speaker 22: these nuclear power plants. And that's kind of a shame

860
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Speaker 22: because I know that in the US there was underground

861
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Speaker 22: burial facilities constructed in Yucca Mountain, which is a big

862
00:42:31,773 --> 00:42:37,652
Speaker 22: mountain range stable geology in Nevada, and that seems to work.

863
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Speaker 22: And there are test sites also built in Los Alamos,

864
00:42:40,573 --> 00:42:44,693
Speaker 22: New Mexico, and then underground tunnels into the mountain. And

865
00:42:45,093 --> 00:42:50,732
Speaker 22: in Finland as already dug another underground tunnel which you'll

866
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Speaker 22: start taking its first waste from their nuclear power plants

867
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Speaker 22: next year, in twenty twenty five. So there are solutions

868
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Speaker 22: for this.

869
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Speaker 18: It is really.

870
00:43:01,533 --> 00:43:07,693
Speaker 22: The initial fear of insurance and these kind of costs

871
00:43:08,413 --> 00:43:15,173
Speaker 22: on scientific costs that have made storage long term storage

872
00:43:15,253 --> 00:43:19,453
Speaker 22: of nuclear fission waste almost unachievable.

873
00:43:19,733 --> 00:43:24,413
Speaker 3: What the advancement of technology doctor, has the argument considerably

874
00:43:24,573 --> 00:43:27,853
Speaker 3: changed in terms of feasibility of nuclear power in New Zealand.

875
00:43:28,093 --> 00:43:32,373
Speaker 22: The technology change that has me most intrigued as a

876
00:43:32,493 --> 00:43:37,773
Speaker 22: small modular reactors. Now these devices would be good for

877
00:43:37,893 --> 00:43:43,453
Speaker 22: baseline power and they're about maybe one hundred times smaller

878
00:43:44,413 --> 00:43:49,733
Speaker 22: in power output than your conventional nuclear power plant. And

879
00:43:50,773 --> 00:43:53,853
Speaker 22: dozens of small startup companies around the world are racing

880
00:43:53,933 --> 00:43:59,693
Speaker 22: to get a small modular reactor size of freight containers

881
00:43:59,893 --> 00:44:04,813
Speaker 22: for example, around the world. And there fits and starts

882
00:44:05,253 --> 00:44:09,133
Speaker 22: to the first generation of anything. And I think the

883
00:44:09,213 --> 00:44:12,573
Speaker 22: first generation of automobiles of the first generation of small

884
00:44:12,653 --> 00:44:16,133
Speaker 22: modular reactors. So people are exactly sure which model will

885
00:44:16,173 --> 00:44:20,133
Speaker 22: win out in the end. So maybe in the twenty thirties,

886
00:44:20,213 --> 00:44:22,653
Speaker 22: I think if that is when most of these companies

887
00:44:22,773 --> 00:44:25,373
Speaker 22: are really going to produce the first models, But you

888
00:44:25,453 --> 00:44:27,453
Speaker 22: really want to get one that comes off like an

889
00:44:27,453 --> 00:44:31,133
Speaker 22: assembly line once the model has been proven to be

890
00:44:31,373 --> 00:44:34,613
Speaker 22: cross effective and working. And I think I'd love for

891
00:44:34,733 --> 00:44:38,133
Speaker 22: New Zealand to be open minded above that to provide

892
00:44:38,213 --> 00:44:43,493
Speaker 22: baseline power because we can do our solar energy and

893
00:44:43,653 --> 00:44:48,133
Speaker 22: we can do our wind power, but the intermittency problem

894
00:44:48,213 --> 00:44:50,212
Speaker 22: there just doesn't go away.

895
00:44:50,573 --> 00:44:53,053
Speaker 2: So if New Zealand wants to be part of a

896
00:44:53,173 --> 00:44:58,772
Speaker 2: future that involves nuclear energy, what should we do now?

897
00:44:59,133 --> 00:45:01,773
Speaker 2: Do we need to open up our minds to it

898
00:45:01,933 --> 00:45:04,133
Speaker 2: or do we have to change laws to look into it.

899
00:45:05,093 --> 00:45:09,253
Speaker 22: It's more a way of thinking because fact right now

900
00:45:09,293 --> 00:45:13,293
Speaker 22: we could probably somewhere around ninety percent of our energy

901
00:45:13,413 --> 00:45:17,093
Speaker 22: is renewable sources, which is amazing, and I'm really confident

902
00:45:17,173 --> 00:45:20,853
Speaker 22: that we could eventually reach you know, practically one hundred

903
00:45:20,853 --> 00:45:24,653
Speaker 22: percent renewable energy in New Zealand. But with the climate

904
00:45:24,813 --> 00:45:30,053
Speaker 22: changing and maybe water sources drying up so your hydropower

905
00:45:30,133 --> 00:45:35,252
Speaker 22: doesn't become as readily available, and intermittency with wind and sun,

906
00:45:36,853 --> 00:45:41,333
Speaker 22: we just need to live through this and that will change.

907
00:45:42,173 --> 00:45:46,933
Speaker 22: I suspect that's the practical changes that people will experience

908
00:45:47,253 --> 00:45:50,893
Speaker 22: and leave them maybe more open minded for a small

909
00:45:51,013 --> 00:45:52,373
Speaker 22: modular type reactor.

910
00:45:53,213 --> 00:45:56,453
Speaker 2: So you're signing within fifteen twenty years there might be

911
00:45:56,533 --> 00:46:01,053
Speaker 2: a financial and scipher why that we could bring nuclear

912
00:46:01,133 --> 00:46:04,453
Speaker 2: power into New Zealand that would add that would add

913
00:46:04,533 --> 00:46:08,133
Speaker 2: to a grid and be a benefit for New Zealand.

914
00:46:08,853 --> 00:46:11,493
Speaker 22: Yeah, I think I'm not sure. I would want to

915
00:46:11,573 --> 00:46:15,453
Speaker 22: be the first country, the very first model off the floor,

916
00:46:16,293 --> 00:46:18,172
Speaker 22: you know, the new sports car? Do you really want

917
00:46:18,213 --> 00:46:20,493
Speaker 22: to buy that new sports car when it's the first version.

918
00:46:21,173 --> 00:46:24,573
Speaker 22: And we were fortunately able to have such renewable energy

919
00:46:24,613 --> 00:46:28,213
Speaker 22: that we can wait and watch and then pick the

920
00:46:28,293 --> 00:46:34,533
Speaker 22: time when the small modular reactors are actually feasible because

921
00:46:34,653 --> 00:46:38,573
Speaker 22: right now costs are changing and rising, and there's different

922
00:46:38,613 --> 00:46:41,212
Speaker 22: technologies and different attempts and we're not quite sure which

923
00:46:41,253 --> 00:46:43,573
Speaker 22: one will be the winner yet. So I don't want

924
00:46:43,613 --> 00:46:45,933
Speaker 22: to pick a winner right now. I want to see

925
00:46:45,973 --> 00:46:49,573
Speaker 22: who are actually going to win before we couldn't move

926
00:46:49,613 --> 00:46:49,893
Speaker 22: into it.

927
00:46:50,293 --> 00:46:51,693
Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you so much for your time. That

928
00:46:51,813 --> 00:46:55,853
Speaker 2: was Dr David Croftcheck senior lecture in physics at Oakland University.

929
00:46:58,973 --> 00:46:59,333
Speaker 6: There you go.

930
00:46:59,853 --> 00:47:01,573
Speaker 2: I do want to be the person that buys the

931
00:47:01,613 --> 00:47:06,453
Speaker 2: first sports car off the lot. Yeah, jump brought on there.

932
00:47:06,773 --> 00:47:10,533
Speaker 2: So that's what doctor David cross Jeck thinks, a senior lecturer,

933
00:47:10,533 --> 00:47:12,413
Speaker 2: a physicist at up In University. But what do you think?

934
00:47:12,613 --> 00:47:15,653
Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Is it time to

935
00:47:15,733 --> 00:47:19,693
Speaker 2: open our minds and think about nuclear power in New Zealand?

936
00:47:19,853 --> 00:47:22,293
Speaker 3: Nine ninety two is the text number. It is thirteen

937
00:47:22,413 --> 00:47:23,053
Speaker 3: past two.

938
00:47:24,613 --> 00:47:28,213
Speaker 1: Your new home of afternoon tour man even Tayler Adams

939
00:47:28,333 --> 00:47:29,373
Speaker 1: afternoon call.

940
00:47:29,533 --> 00:47:32,093
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty News Talk said,

941
00:47:32,133 --> 00:47:34,973
Speaker 3: be good afternoon. At sixteen past two, we're talking about

942
00:47:35,053 --> 00:47:37,973
Speaker 3: nuclear energy in New Zealand? Is it time to invest

943
00:47:38,013 --> 00:47:41,293
Speaker 3: in that strategy now? With emerging technology, Chayenne, what do

944
00:47:41,373 --> 00:47:44,333
Speaker 3: you say, Well, I think.

945
00:47:44,933 --> 00:47:47,973
Speaker 23: We're going to think logical, not practical when it comes

946
00:47:47,973 --> 00:47:51,533
Speaker 23: to nuclear Now, I know a very well, we've got

947
00:47:51,573 --> 00:47:54,373
Speaker 23: the dams right and they're built.

948
00:47:54,453 --> 00:47:55,573
Speaker 24: Thinking about building.

949
00:47:56,893 --> 00:48:01,333
Speaker 23: These nuclear plants, but you've got to think cost. Sufficient's

950
00:48:01,373 --> 00:48:05,133
Speaker 23: going to what's going to cost more building wind farms

951
00:48:05,533 --> 00:48:11,493
Speaker 23: and soli panels or building on or building nuclear plants.

952
00:48:11,733 --> 00:48:14,213
Speaker 23: You've got to think constroficient in the long run. You've

953
00:48:14,213 --> 00:48:16,573
Speaker 23: got to think about savings for the customers who are

954
00:48:16,613 --> 00:48:19,933
Speaker 23: paying for the power, because in the long run will

955
00:48:20,053 --> 00:48:24,773
Speaker 23: end up getting getting paying more charges for power if

956
00:48:24,773 --> 00:48:28,773
Speaker 23: they go ahead and build these these nuclear power plants.

957
00:48:28,813 --> 00:48:35,733
Speaker 23: But also, I mean trans power also are thinking backwards

958
00:48:35,813 --> 00:48:39,733
Speaker 23: right now, because what they're not thinking of is they

959
00:48:39,773 --> 00:48:43,973
Speaker 23: should be thinking about buildings wind farms and these solo panels,

960
00:48:44,213 --> 00:48:46,933
Speaker 23: which will make a lot easier on everybody's budget. If

961
00:48:46,973 --> 00:48:49,493
Speaker 23: they did that, it makes it thinks a lot easy

962
00:48:49,533 --> 00:48:50,213
Speaker 23: on their customers.

963
00:48:50,893 --> 00:48:55,133
Speaker 2: Fair enough, Yeah, I guess there's a couple of things there. Firstly,

964
00:48:55,293 --> 00:48:59,213
Speaker 2: the intimateateent nature of you know, solar and wind is

965
00:48:59,253 --> 00:49:02,613
Speaker 2: a problem in this country. The batteries needed to store it,

966
00:49:03,173 --> 00:49:05,333
Speaker 2: so you know, if you were going to if we're

967
00:49:05,373 --> 00:49:08,692
Speaker 2: going to invest in nuclear power, it would be as

968
00:49:08,813 --> 00:49:11,413
Speaker 2: part of the entire Look, we're not going to get

969
00:49:11,453 --> 00:49:13,773
Speaker 2: rid of the hydroeleistics. We'd still want to do sustainable,

970
00:49:14,053 --> 00:49:16,173
Speaker 2: but it will be adding to it in the future.

971
00:49:16,413 --> 00:49:18,493
Speaker 2: And when you talk about the costs, yeah, the cost

972
00:49:18,613 --> 00:49:20,333
Speaker 2: now is insane to build a power plant. But those

973
00:49:20,333 --> 00:49:23,573
Speaker 2: are the old school power plants as opposed to you know,

974
00:49:23,853 --> 00:49:28,333
Speaker 2: as as we're talking before with doctor David krodchick Croft

975
00:49:28,413 --> 00:49:32,093
Speaker 2: check about this new technology that's coming through these small

976
00:49:32,733 --> 00:49:36,173
Speaker 2: modular reactors. So things would have to change into the future.

977
00:49:36,293 --> 00:49:41,013
Speaker 2: So but if the price was was down and affordable,

978
00:49:41,133 --> 00:49:43,453
Speaker 2: would you be open to thinking about nuclear energy?

979
00:49:44,653 --> 00:49:46,373
Speaker 23: Well, yes, if they can get them down to those

980
00:49:46,413 --> 00:49:49,133
Speaker 23: container size this, yeah, that would be all all well,

981
00:49:50,693 --> 00:49:53,893
Speaker 23: but also too, I mean, if they went ahead and

982
00:49:54,013 --> 00:49:55,933
Speaker 23: decided the changes, they might have built these big power

983
00:49:55,933 --> 00:49:58,853
Speaker 23: plants they gave and snowbol I mean, what happened made

984
00:49:58,893 --> 00:50:02,413
Speaker 23: their big clake that's does not everything off off off

985
00:50:02,493 --> 00:50:05,213
Speaker 23: the plate? I mean, and what happened to all the waste?

986
00:50:05,973 --> 00:50:08,133
Speaker 23: It was going to take them years and years nearest

987
00:50:08,333 --> 00:50:11,413
Speaker 23: dispose of the ways are say, yeah.

988
00:50:11,293 --> 00:50:15,053
Speaker 2: So you know, looking into that. You know, Fukushima wasn't

989
00:50:15,093 --> 00:50:17,053
Speaker 2: quite as bad as they thought it was. There was

990
00:50:17,093 --> 00:50:19,573
Speaker 2: fifty nine deaths out of Chernovo. But when it comes

991
00:50:19,613 --> 00:50:22,013
Speaker 2: down to the new nuclear pot plants, I was reading

992
00:50:22,013 --> 00:50:25,693
Speaker 2: this Harvard study and it found that newer generations of

993
00:50:25,773 --> 00:50:28,933
Speaker 2: nuclear actors, particularly there's these ones called these pebble bed reactors,

994
00:50:29,453 --> 00:50:32,413
Speaker 2: and they're denying designs that so that the nuclear chain

995
00:50:32,453 --> 00:50:34,853
Speaker 2: reaction cannot run away and cause them ount down even

996
00:50:34,853 --> 00:50:37,613
Speaker 2: in the event of a complete failure of the actor's machinery,

997
00:50:38,053 --> 00:50:40,853
Speaker 2: and that the moder actors, it's actually impossible for them

998
00:50:40,933 --> 00:50:43,333
Speaker 2: to melt down in the way that Chinovo did and

999
00:50:43,933 --> 00:50:45,652
Speaker 2: the way that and the things like that happened at

1000
00:50:45,653 --> 00:50:48,573
Speaker 2: Fukushima aren't impossible. I mean, people have asked where Fukushima

1001
00:50:48,853 --> 00:50:50,732
Speaker 2: was built in a crazy place. So if you're building

1002
00:50:50,733 --> 00:50:53,333
Speaker 2: the New Zealand, you would obviously think long and hard

1003
00:50:53,373 --> 00:50:55,133
Speaker 2: about where you were going to build them. Yeah, you

1004
00:50:55,213 --> 00:50:56,813
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't want to build them on a fault line.

1005
00:50:57,013 --> 00:50:59,573
Speaker 3: Chuanne, thank you very much, But just on Fukushima, I

1006
00:50:59,693 --> 00:51:02,652
Speaker 3: take it. I mean there were many lessons learned after that, right,

1007
00:51:02,733 --> 00:51:04,893
Speaker 3: and that is probably some of the technology that started

1008
00:51:04,933 --> 00:51:07,933
Speaker 3: to emerge with what happened with Fukushima. Yep, we get it.

1009
00:51:08,053 --> 00:51:10,053
Speaker 3: Japan and is similar to New Zealand. We're in the

1010
00:51:10,133 --> 00:51:13,692
Speaker 3: ring of fire, lots of earthquakes. But mistakes were made

1011
00:51:13,733 --> 00:51:16,493
Speaker 3: in the construction of that nuclear reactor. And you'd think

1012
00:51:16,533 --> 00:51:19,772
Speaker 3: the Japanese in particular, they're still using nuclear energy, they've

1013
00:51:19,933 --> 00:51:20,813
Speaker 3: learned a lot from that.

1014
00:51:21,133 --> 00:51:24,493
Speaker 2: Well, that's the same with everything, isn't it that you know,

1015
00:51:24,653 --> 00:51:27,893
Speaker 2: if you know, the first nuclear actor went online in

1016
00:51:28,013 --> 00:51:31,453
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty five, So if you're using technology from the

1017
00:51:31,493 --> 00:51:35,373
Speaker 2: fifties and sixties and seventies and even eighties, it's very

1018
00:51:35,453 --> 00:51:38,573
Speaker 2: different from technology from twenty twenty four and going forward.

1019
00:51:39,133 --> 00:51:41,853
Speaker 2: So if we're talking about what doctor David cross Check

1020
00:51:41,933 --> 00:51:44,893
Speaker 2: was saying, we're talking about ones that come off the

1021
00:51:44,893 --> 00:51:47,373
Speaker 2: production line in ten fifteen years, and these are going

1022
00:51:47,453 --> 00:51:49,973
Speaker 2: to be highly advanced and have very little in common

1023
00:51:50,013 --> 00:51:53,293
Speaker 2: except for the basics of the basic idea of a

1024
00:51:53,493 --> 00:51:56,693
Speaker 2: nuclear power generation, which is basically heading a ride up

1025
00:51:57,133 --> 00:52:03,133
Speaker 2: by firing neutrons at atoms. Apart from that, they're going

1026
00:52:03,173 --> 00:52:04,333
Speaker 2: to have very little in common.

1027
00:52:04,533 --> 00:52:06,413
Speaker 3: I hade hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to

1028
00:52:06,493 --> 00:52:08,773
Speaker 3: call love to hear your thoughts on this two nine

1029
00:52:08,813 --> 00:52:10,653
Speaker 3: till is the text. It's twenty one past two.

1030
00:52:15,173 --> 00:52:18,533
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1031
00:52:18,533 --> 00:52:21,733
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk zby.

1032
00:52:21,013 --> 00:52:24,573
Speaker 3: Three past two. Fascinating conversation about nuclear energy mats.

1033
00:52:24,853 --> 00:52:29,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, so leading globally experts. So Australia could

1034
00:52:29,733 --> 00:52:33,533
Speaker 2: build its first reactor within twelve years, but the current

1035
00:52:33,573 --> 00:52:36,013
Speaker 2: government Australia's against it. What do we think about nuclear

1036
00:52:36,093 --> 00:52:37,652
Speaker 2: power in New Zealand? Do we want to open our

1037
00:52:37,733 --> 00:52:39,613
Speaker 2: minds to it? Martin? Your thoughts?

1038
00:52:41,333 --> 00:52:41,933
Speaker 5: Hi the chips?

1039
00:52:42,413 --> 00:52:45,653
Speaker 24: Yeah, well I'm for it, special for the future and

1040
00:52:45,853 --> 00:52:48,772
Speaker 24: that's the way where to go. Especially what they said

1041
00:52:48,773 --> 00:52:53,933
Speaker 24: about is new container sized nuclear reactors. But are we

1042
00:52:54,053 --> 00:52:56,973
Speaker 24: looking at probably twenty twenty five, maybe thirty years before

1043
00:52:57,093 --> 00:53:00,613
Speaker 24: New Zealand would embrace that. I just feel in the

1044
00:53:00,693 --> 00:53:06,133
Speaker 24: meantime more investments should be put into wind and solar

1045
00:53:06,773 --> 00:53:11,173
Speaker 24: and going forward. I think the government should make it

1046
00:53:12,053 --> 00:53:15,893
Speaker 24: a stipulation that any new build property has to have

1047
00:53:16,053 --> 00:53:20,013
Speaker 24: solar panels. I mean, I think that's I'm so surprised

1048
00:53:20,053 --> 00:53:22,732
Speaker 24: that that's not part of the criteria at the moment,

1049
00:53:24,493 --> 00:53:27,413
Speaker 24: I just feel that with a popular agent of five million,

1050
00:53:27,733 --> 00:53:30,093
Speaker 24: I mean, who's going to invest in nuclear power in

1051
00:53:30,173 --> 00:53:32,213
Speaker 24: the first place. Is it going to be private investors?

1052
00:53:32,333 --> 00:53:33,253
Speaker 24: Is it going to be the government?

1053
00:53:35,053 --> 00:53:35,213
Speaker 4: You know?

1054
00:53:35,413 --> 00:53:38,253
Speaker 24: I just feel it's if you look at the economics,

1055
00:53:38,573 --> 00:53:44,013
Speaker 24: surely be more money into solar, wind and hydro is

1056
00:53:44,853 --> 00:53:47,533
Speaker 24: better economics than nuclear.

1057
00:53:48,493 --> 00:53:52,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, and absolutely more practical right now. But putting that

1058
00:53:52,573 --> 00:53:55,692
Speaker 2: in place, But I guess what I'm talking about, Well,

1059
00:53:55,693 --> 00:53:57,053
Speaker 2: I know what I'm talking about. I don't guess what

1060
00:53:57,173 --> 00:54:00,333
Speaker 2: to talk about. But is just changing the mindset now

1061
00:54:00,453 --> 00:54:02,773
Speaker 2: so we're open to it. Because part of the reason

1062
00:54:02,853 --> 00:54:05,653
Speaker 2: why we are so anti nuclear power in the Western

1063
00:54:05,733 --> 00:54:08,853
Speaker 2: world is because of a nineteen seventy nine and thriller

1064
00:54:08,933 --> 00:54:12,053
Speaker 2: called The China Syndrome, And twenty two days after that

1065
00:54:12,213 --> 00:54:15,453
Speaker 2: we had the Three Mile Island situation. So when you've

1066
00:54:15,493 --> 00:54:19,573
Speaker 2: got a big film about a nuclear mountadown and then coincidentally,

1067
00:54:19,613 --> 00:54:22,373
Speaker 2: twenty two days later a plant has a problem. Even

1068
00:54:22,373 --> 00:54:26,613
Speaker 2: though no one died in Three Mile and the ecological

1069
00:54:26,853 --> 00:54:30,653
Speaker 2: damage was pretty much non existent, it's still created a fear.

1070
00:54:31,013 --> 00:54:32,813
Speaker 2: And I think in New Zealand we're running in this

1071
00:54:33,013 --> 00:54:35,973
Speaker 2: mindset that nuclear is bad. We're thinking of Fukushima, we're

1072
00:54:35,973 --> 00:54:38,453
Speaker 2: thinking of Gerovo. We've just had that huge Netflix series

1073
00:54:38,493 --> 00:54:41,172
Speaker 2: which was fantastic, sure, but it did fill us full

1074
00:54:41,173 --> 00:54:44,213
Speaker 2: of fear. So if we are looking at things and

1075
00:54:44,653 --> 00:54:46,533
Speaker 2: the power grid in New Zealand, we do need to

1076
00:54:46,573 --> 00:54:50,893
Speaker 2: be thinking fifteen, thirty, thirty five years out. So even

1077
00:54:50,973 --> 00:54:54,133
Speaker 2: though it's not going to be tomorrow, I'm just really saying,

1078
00:54:54,293 --> 00:54:57,733
Speaker 2: is it time to start not being scared about it now?

1079
00:54:57,973 --> 00:54:58,172
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1080
00:54:58,493 --> 00:55:00,493
Speaker 3: And the old phrase the best time to invest in

1081
00:55:00,533 --> 00:55:02,933
Speaker 3: anything is yesterday. I mean it does ring true. But

1082
00:55:03,093 --> 00:55:06,773
Speaker 3: just to Martin's point on solar plant power and the

1083
00:55:06,933 --> 00:55:10,733
Speaker 3: idea of every new home that gets built with solar

1084
00:55:10,853 --> 00:55:13,133
Speaker 3: power in mind, to me that's not a silly idea.

1085
00:55:13,213 --> 00:55:15,413
Speaker 3: But I know people have a lot of thoughts about

1086
00:55:15,453 --> 00:55:18,893
Speaker 3: the efficiency of solar power, whether the technology can generally

1087
00:55:18,973 --> 00:55:21,053
Speaker 3: get better because there's only so much energy you can

1088
00:55:21,093 --> 00:55:21,813
Speaker 3: get from sunlight.

1089
00:55:22,013 --> 00:55:23,853
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and it's all about the batteries. I mean,

1090
00:55:23,853 --> 00:55:26,013
Speaker 2: it's all very well having the solar panels, but where

1091
00:55:26,013 --> 00:55:27,813
Speaker 2: you're getting the batteries from. If you're getting the batteries

1092
00:55:27,853 --> 00:55:31,293
Speaker 2: from China, then those batteries have been likely built in

1093
00:55:31,413 --> 00:55:34,533
Speaker 2: some part with nuclear power. So you're still in the game.

1094
00:55:34,693 --> 00:55:37,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. I mean there's always a catch, isn't there.

1095
00:55:37,293 --> 00:55:39,333
Speaker 3: The same with the wind turbines. And the caller before

1096
00:55:39,733 --> 00:55:42,013
Speaker 3: mentioned the blades, and he's quite right. I was dubious

1097
00:55:42,093 --> 00:55:44,333
Speaker 3: and look that up some time ago, and they can't

1098
00:55:44,373 --> 00:55:46,333
Speaker 3: do anything with the blades. They cannot recycle that.

1099
00:55:46,413 --> 00:55:48,413
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you need to factor and when you're saying

1100
00:55:48,453 --> 00:55:50,693
Speaker 2: something is renewable, you need to factor in all the

1101
00:55:50,773 --> 00:55:53,453
Speaker 2: manufacture of it, all the installation of it, and the

1102
00:55:53,533 --> 00:55:56,213
Speaker 2: decommissioning of it as well, and the whole It's not

1103
00:55:56,413 --> 00:55:59,453
Speaker 2: just once it's spinning, whether it's renewable or not. But

1104
00:55:59,693 --> 00:56:01,733
Speaker 2: it's a great chat. Eight hundred and eighteen eighty. What

1105
00:56:01,853 --> 00:56:04,653
Speaker 2: do you think about nuclear power? Are you for it

1106
00:56:04,813 --> 00:56:09,573
Speaker 2: in New Zealand? Are you for us defail verification of it?

1107
00:56:09,733 --> 00:56:11,053
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure if that's a word, is it?

1108
00:56:11,133 --> 00:56:14,053
Speaker 3: Deferification sounds good to me, believe that one up put

1109
00:56:14,053 --> 00:56:14,933
Speaker 3: that in the Oxford diction.

1110
00:56:15,093 --> 00:56:16,693
Speaker 2: That sounds like a word that Home would say. And

1111
00:56:16,733 --> 00:56:19,933
Speaker 2: the Simpsons speaking of nuclear energy. But yeah, the deforification

1112
00:56:20,533 --> 00:56:22,692
Speaker 2: of our thought process are around nuclear power.

1113
00:56:22,773 --> 00:56:24,093
Speaker 3: And I tell you who, we're gonna have a chat

1114
00:56:24,133 --> 00:56:26,933
Speaker 3: with very shortly Max Bradford. He was a former National

1115
00:56:27,013 --> 00:56:29,653
Speaker 3: Minister of Energy. Oh yeah, it was one of the

1116
00:56:29,773 --> 00:56:33,013
Speaker 3: men that was involved in the reform of our electricity network.

1117
00:56:33,293 --> 00:56:34,413
Speaker 3: He'll have a lot to say about that.

1118
00:56:34,453 --> 00:56:35,853
Speaker 2: And I'm looking forward to talking to him.

1119
00:56:36,013 --> 00:56:37,692
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call. It is twenty seven past two. Headlines coming up.

1121
00:56:40,893 --> 00:56:44,893
Speaker 4: Wow, you talk said be headlines.

1122
00:56:44,453 --> 00:56:47,373
Speaker 13: With blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble with a blue

1123
00:56:47,413 --> 00:56:50,373
Speaker 13: bubble Richard Chambers. They're set to be an Anser as

1124
00:56:50,413 --> 00:56:54,453
Speaker 13: the new police commissioner, replacing Andrew cost The decision was

1125
00:56:54,533 --> 00:56:58,493
Speaker 13: between two top cops, the other being Deputy Commissioner Jeevon Nick.

1126
00:56:58,573 --> 00:57:03,013
Speaker 13: Skimming power bills will be rising to avoid worse hikes

1127
00:57:03,053 --> 00:57:06,133
Speaker 13: further down the track. The average household bill will go

1128
00:57:06,293 --> 00:57:09,093
Speaker 13: up ten dollars a month in April five dollars a

1129
00:57:09,173 --> 00:57:12,613
Speaker 13: month for the following four years. Three youths are in

1130
00:57:12,693 --> 00:57:15,053
Speaker 13: custody after a car was used to smash into a

1131
00:57:15,133 --> 00:57:17,893
Speaker 13: Huanganui shop in the early hours of this morning. The

1132
00:57:17,933 --> 00:57:21,293
Speaker 13: burglary happened on Bell Street just before one Two cars

1133
00:57:21,333 --> 00:57:24,173
Speaker 13: sped away, One of them was chased by police before

1134
00:57:24,213 --> 00:57:27,693
Speaker 13: being spiked about an hour later near Partia river Bridge.

1135
00:57:28,213 --> 00:57:30,893
Speaker 13: Police believe the Trio have been involved in a significant

1136
00:57:30,973 --> 00:57:35,973
Speaker 13: number of offenses across the Lower North Island. SpaceX's sixth

1137
00:57:36,213 --> 00:57:40,253
Speaker 13: Starship test flight is successfully splashed down in the Indian Ocean.

1138
00:57:40,653 --> 00:57:43,613
Speaker 13: The booster earlier plunged into the Gulf of Mexico soon

1139
00:57:43,733 --> 00:57:48,333
Speaker 13: after the launch. High hopes but no new homes yet

1140
00:57:49,013 --> 00:57:52,653
Speaker 13: slow progress for twenty twenty one partnership designed to help

1141
00:57:52,693 --> 00:57:56,013
Speaker 13: with quality affordable housing. You can find out more at

1142
00:57:56,053 --> 00:57:58,893
Speaker 13: inzat Herald Premium And there he is the voice of

1143
00:57:59,213 --> 00:58:01,293
Speaker 13: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

1144
00:58:01,493 --> 00:58:03,893
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylean, that is us and we're

1145
00:58:03,893 --> 00:58:04,493
Speaker 3: having anything right.

1146
00:58:04,613 --> 00:58:06,853
Speaker 2: Look, I just wanted to mention there. That's why accidentally

1147
00:58:06,893 --> 00:58:09,133
Speaker 2: came through on the news that I can confirm that

1148
00:58:09,213 --> 00:58:11,973
Speaker 2: the word I use, deforification is not a real word. Well,

1149
00:58:12,093 --> 00:58:13,733
Speaker 2: and broke the internet when I put it in there.

1150
00:58:13,773 --> 00:58:15,253
Speaker 2: It just came back with nothing, just a picture of

1151
00:58:15,293 --> 00:58:17,613
Speaker 2: a guy fishing. So someone can help me. What do

1152
00:58:17,653 --> 00:58:20,653
Speaker 2: I mean by deferification. What's the best word. I guess

1153
00:58:20,653 --> 00:58:23,853
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say alay fears, But if deforification of

1154
00:58:23,973 --> 00:58:26,653
Speaker 2: a society around nuclear power isn't a word. Maybe we

1155
00:58:26,813 --> 00:58:28,933
Speaker 2: need to add it to the Oxford English Dictionary.

1156
00:58:29,013 --> 00:58:30,933
Speaker 3: A contender for sure deforification.

1157
00:58:31,613 --> 00:58:32,093
Speaker 4: I like it.

1158
00:58:32,933 --> 00:58:33,093
Speaker 9: Now.

1159
00:58:33,133 --> 00:58:35,493
Speaker 3: We have been having a great chat about nuclear energy

1160
00:58:35,493 --> 00:58:36,933
Speaker 3: and I'll tell you what. The man who had a

1161
00:58:37,053 --> 00:58:40,013
Speaker 3: hand in designing the current electric system, and he did

1162
00:58:40,133 --> 00:58:43,373
Speaker 3: say some time ago that New Zealand should consider nuclear

1163
00:58:43,493 --> 00:58:46,533
Speaker 3: power to provide baseload for the power grid. His name

1164
00:58:46,613 --> 00:58:49,533
Speaker 3: is Max Bradford. Many people will remember Max, former National

1165
00:58:49,573 --> 00:58:54,453
Speaker 3: Minister of Energy. Very very good afternoon to you, Hi guys,

1166
00:58:54,493 --> 00:58:55,133
Speaker 3: So you're doing.

1167
00:58:55,453 --> 00:58:58,413
Speaker 2: Very good, Thanks for calling in today. Now is nuclear

1168
00:58:58,453 --> 00:59:00,293
Speaker 2: power a realistic option for New Zealand?

1169
00:59:00,333 --> 00:59:04,493
Speaker 5: In your opinion, it will be with thintay ten years,

1170
00:59:04,813 --> 00:59:09,933
Speaker 5: possibly less. And what's more, will not only be an option,

1171
00:59:10,493 --> 00:59:16,613
Speaker 5: it'll become a necessity. We're lucky to be producing at

1172
00:59:16,653 --> 00:59:21,253
Speaker 5: the moment something north of ninety percent of our power

1173
00:59:22,013 --> 00:59:27,653
Speaker 5: through renewable sources, but it's pretty unreliable. And you may

1174
00:59:27,773 --> 00:59:32,413
Speaker 5: recall the hullabaloo that was about a month or two

1175
00:59:32,493 --> 00:59:36,053
Speaker 5: months ago when power prices went through the roof, and

1176
00:59:36,213 --> 00:59:39,053
Speaker 5: that really is a reflection of the fact that we

1177
00:59:40,053 --> 00:59:47,933
Speaker 5: pend for unreliable primary energy and our in water and

1178
00:59:48,413 --> 00:59:52,573
Speaker 5: wind and increasing their solar so we have to look

1179
00:59:52,613 --> 00:59:59,133
Speaker 5: at ways of producing power when the rains and raining

1180
00:59:59,213 --> 01:00:04,693
Speaker 5: and the winds and blowing to meet the needs of consumers.

1181
01:00:05,813 --> 01:00:10,733
Speaker 2: We're talking to Mikes Bedford, former nest Extal Minister of Energy, Max.

1182
01:00:10,973 --> 01:00:14,613
Speaker 2: So when you say, what about the battery situation, So

1183
01:00:14,693 --> 01:00:18,213
Speaker 2: if we have renewable energy in storing it, what are

1184
01:00:18,253 --> 01:00:20,293
Speaker 2: the problems around batteries.

1185
01:00:21,533 --> 01:00:25,373
Speaker 5: Well, the problem simply is that you can't store enough

1186
01:00:25,533 --> 01:00:32,733
Speaker 5: energy to provide power for maybe a week to for

1187
01:00:33,093 --> 01:00:38,053
Speaker 5: half the consumption of the country. South Australia has tried

1188
01:00:38,133 --> 01:00:40,933
Speaker 5: to do it. They invested a half a billion dollars

1189
01:00:41,013 --> 01:00:45,853
Speaker 5: in Tesla batteries and all that provides when they're fully

1190
01:00:45,893 --> 01:00:51,093
Speaker 5: loaded up is about I'm told about seventy minutes of

1191
01:00:51,693 --> 01:00:55,893
Speaker 5: the power needs of South Australia. So that's not really

1192
01:00:56,853 --> 01:00:59,533
Speaker 5: it's not really an option, and that's why we have

1193
01:00:59,693 --> 01:01:03,893
Speaker 5: to look at things like geothermal and a new nuclear

1194
01:01:03,973 --> 01:01:08,293
Speaker 5: options which I have no doubt will become cost effect

1195
01:01:08,453 --> 01:01:13,973
Speaker 5: of against the other options that we have like wind,

1196
01:01:14,973 --> 01:01:16,853
Speaker 5: hydro and geothermal.

1197
01:01:17,293 --> 01:01:20,533
Speaker 3: Is the argument Max that has popped up again and

1198
01:01:20,573 --> 01:01:23,253
Speaker 3: again when this conversation comes to the four that we

1199
01:01:23,373 --> 01:01:25,413
Speaker 3: are in the ring of fire, that we are an

1200
01:01:25,453 --> 01:01:28,773
Speaker 3: earthquake prone nation with a new technology. Is that argument

1201
01:01:29,173 --> 01:01:29,653
Speaker 3: almost to.

1202
01:01:29,693 --> 01:01:35,653
Speaker 5: Funt By and large, it will be if they if

1203
01:01:35,773 --> 01:01:43,933
Speaker 5: a promise of modular units of generation from nuclear is

1204
01:01:44,053 --> 01:01:51,173
Speaker 5: actually comes out of the market. Those modular units produce

1205
01:01:51,213 --> 01:01:54,813
Speaker 5: about three hundred and fifty to five hundred megawatts at least,

1206
01:01:54,853 --> 01:01:58,333
Speaker 5: that's what they're aiming to do, and that's about the

1207
01:01:58,453 --> 01:02:02,253
Speaker 5: size of the plants that we need to incrementally add

1208
01:02:02,333 --> 01:02:10,533
Speaker 5: to our system. So the and if they're in containers

1209
01:02:10,733 --> 01:02:16,733
Speaker 5: or in much smaller units, they become less less dangerous

1210
01:02:16,773 --> 01:02:20,213
Speaker 5: to us because of the fact that we live on

1211
01:02:20,253 --> 01:02:23,333
Speaker 5: the rim of fire. There are a couple of other

1212
01:02:23,413 --> 01:02:27,093
Speaker 5: things that you might factor into your discussion as well.

1213
01:02:27,773 --> 01:02:28,413
Speaker 6: One is that.

1214
01:02:31,333 --> 01:02:35,813
Speaker 5: Most of our renewable energy from hydro is generated at

1215
01:02:35,813 --> 01:02:38,653
Speaker 5: the bottom of the South Island, and most of the

1216
01:02:38,733 --> 01:02:41,813
Speaker 5: demand is in the top of the North part, so

1217
01:02:42,013 --> 01:02:47,533
Speaker 5: that transparers to spend billions of dollars in shipping north

1218
01:02:48,693 --> 01:02:54,133
Speaker 5: from Otago right up to Auckland.

1219
01:02:55,133 --> 01:02:57,653
Speaker 25: Well, that's one expense.

1220
01:02:57,373 --> 01:02:59,533
Speaker 5: That we won't need to do if we can get

1221
01:02:59,893 --> 01:03:03,693
Speaker 5: modular nuclear plants that can be placed much closer to Auckland.

1222
01:03:04,573 --> 01:03:07,773
Speaker 2: What are the current laws around us? We're talking to

1223
01:03:07,853 --> 01:03:11,093
Speaker 2: mix Breads form a national Minister of Energy. What are

1224
01:03:11,093 --> 01:03:14,773
Speaker 2: the current laws around nuclear in New Zealand? Obviously we

1225
01:03:14,893 --> 01:03:17,893
Speaker 2: have the nuclear weapons ban, but what are the laws

1226
01:03:18,173 --> 01:03:20,293
Speaker 2: around nuclear generation here?

1227
01:03:22,093 --> 01:03:23,133
Speaker 6: Well? I don't think there any.

1228
01:03:23,333 --> 01:03:28,213
Speaker 5: Actually, it's a decision that successive governments have taken because

1229
01:03:28,253 --> 01:03:31,533
Speaker 5: of our nuclear free status. But we have to get

1230
01:03:31,613 --> 01:03:36,173
Speaker 5: over that and look at the new modular units which

1231
01:03:37,573 --> 01:03:41,573
Speaker 5: starting to come online. I don't know whether it's been

1232
01:03:41,653 --> 01:03:46,693
Speaker 5: brought up in discussion, but China has just started up

1233
01:03:46,773 --> 01:03:51,453
Speaker 5: the first of the new modular units in China a

1234
01:03:51,533 --> 01:03:54,173
Speaker 5: week or so ago, so you know they're not that

1235
01:03:54,373 --> 01:04:00,493
Speaker 5: far away. The NATRIA units in the US are going

1236
01:04:00,573 --> 01:04:03,093
Speaker 5: to be coming online within eighteen months to two years,

1237
01:04:03,933 --> 01:04:06,053
Speaker 5: so that we're not going to have to waite a

1238
01:04:06,133 --> 01:04:09,413
Speaker 5: huge amount of time. Frankly, we all to be establishing

1239
01:04:09,493 --> 01:04:15,213
Speaker 5: a unit within the Ministry of in the Ministry of

1240
01:04:15,253 --> 01:04:19,133
Speaker 5: Science and Development whatever they call it now, to keep

1241
01:04:19,173 --> 01:04:21,493
Speaker 5: our eye on these developments so that we at least

1242
01:04:21,533 --> 01:04:25,573
Speaker 5: are informed about what the opportunities are and what the

1243
01:04:25,693 --> 01:04:28,253
Speaker 5: dangers are and how long it's going to be before

1244
01:04:28,253 --> 01:04:31,093
Speaker 5: we can introduce them. If that's what the government decides.

1245
01:04:31,173 --> 01:04:34,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, thing so much. Max Bradford, former National Minister of Energy,

1246
01:04:34,853 --> 01:04:37,013
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for calling in. It's it's very interesting.

1247
01:04:37,053 --> 01:04:40,773
Speaker 2: What do you think eight hundred eighty ten eighty Before

1248
01:04:40,813 --> 01:04:45,293
Speaker 2: all that starts, we need the deforification of nuclear energy

1249
01:04:45,373 --> 01:04:46,933
Speaker 2: generation in this country.

1250
01:04:47,013 --> 01:04:49,613
Speaker 3: It's going to catch on, I say you. It's twenty

1251
01:04:49,653 --> 01:04:50,173
Speaker 3: two to three.

1252
01:04:52,373 --> 01:04:55,373
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on. Oh eight

1253
01:04:55,453 --> 01:04:59,533
Speaker 1: hundred eighty Mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

1254
01:04:59,213 --> 01:05:02,733
Speaker 3: News talks, be very good afternoon. We're talking about nuclear

1255
01:05:02,813 --> 01:05:06,493
Speaker 3: energy and the possibility of US investing in New Zealand. Neil,

1256
01:05:06,573 --> 01:05:09,053
Speaker 3: you want to talk about fusion versus fission.

1257
01:05:10,133 --> 01:05:15,453
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, but personally your phrase the verification otherwise known

1258
01:05:15,493 --> 01:05:16,493
Speaker 8: as hard enough.

1259
01:05:18,453 --> 01:05:22,493
Speaker 2: Hardening up of the country around the nuclear generation that works.

1260
01:05:22,573 --> 01:05:23,093
Speaker 2: Thank you for that.

1261
01:05:25,053 --> 01:05:27,733
Speaker 8: The doctor that you had on before touched on the

1262
01:05:28,213 --> 01:05:33,813
Speaker 8: nuclear fission reactors. But the best form of nuclear reaction

1263
01:05:34,013 --> 01:05:36,173
Speaker 8: is up in the sky of course a big yellow ball.

1264
01:05:36,813 --> 01:05:41,213
Speaker 8: Of course, nuclear fusion reactor, which is combining of helium

1265
01:05:41,253 --> 01:05:44,293
Speaker 8: and hydrogen as opposed to splitting it at him. Just

1266
01:05:44,613 --> 01:05:45,813
Speaker 8: a quick science lesson there.

1267
01:05:46,533 --> 01:05:47,213
Speaker 15: The race is on.

1268
01:05:47,333 --> 01:05:50,213
Speaker 8: It has been on for some years now to crack

1269
01:05:50,293 --> 01:05:54,733
Speaker 8: the nuclear fusion code, and that's again future proofing. You're

1270
01:05:54,733 --> 01:05:58,573
Speaker 8: looking at fifteen to twenty to thirty years away. As

1271
01:05:58,573 --> 01:06:04,333
Speaker 8: soon as someone in the worldwide science community cracks that, baby,

1272
01:06:04,453 --> 01:06:09,453
Speaker 8: we've got an virtually unlimited supply of clean energy. And

1273
01:06:09,653 --> 01:06:13,853
Speaker 8: interesting enough, is a guy, doctor Rattu Matider in New Zealand.

1274
01:06:13,893 --> 01:06:18,653
Speaker 8: Look him up. He's been funded to actually pursue that

1275
01:06:19,413 --> 01:06:21,373
Speaker 8: form of research.

1276
01:06:21,533 --> 01:06:22,653
Speaker 11: So yeah, I love this.

1277
01:06:23,253 --> 01:06:26,893
Speaker 8: I love the subject because again, you know, looking towards

1278
01:06:26,933 --> 01:06:31,733
Speaker 8: the future. You guys mentioned that wind and solder are

1279
01:06:31,933 --> 01:06:35,573
Speaker 8: very good as long as there's suns and winds, and

1280
01:06:35,653 --> 01:06:39,493
Speaker 8: of course scoring it as the issue at the moment. Yeah,

1281
01:06:39,533 --> 01:06:42,213
Speaker 8: I love just thought of having nukelear fusion.

1282
01:06:42,653 --> 01:06:42,853
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1283
01:06:43,613 --> 01:06:46,013
Speaker 2: So for the longest time for me, like I've looked

1284
01:06:46,053 --> 01:06:48,773
Speaker 2: into nuclear fusion and it has seemed a long way away.

1285
01:06:48,933 --> 01:06:51,293
Speaker 2: So are we closer than we used to be. There's

1286
01:06:51,293 --> 01:06:54,773
Speaker 2: a lot of talking about plasmas and and and you know,

1287
01:06:55,173 --> 01:06:57,093
Speaker 2: every now and then they're a breakthrough. And it became

1288
01:06:57,133 --> 01:06:59,053
Speaker 2: a little bit like the perpetual motion machine where you

1289
01:06:59,133 --> 01:07:01,093
Speaker 2: when you looked into it, it wasn't really going anywhere.

1290
01:07:01,093 --> 01:07:03,573
Speaker 2: About you saying that we're closer to nuclear fusion now

1291
01:07:04,293 --> 01:07:04,973
Speaker 2: than we have been.

1292
01:07:06,013 --> 01:07:08,253
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, yeah, again, it's not going to be cracked

1293
01:07:08,493 --> 01:07:11,613
Speaker 8: in the next five to ten years. Although they're now

1294
01:07:11,773 --> 01:07:14,573
Speaker 8: using AI to solve a few of the issues that

1295
01:07:14,693 --> 01:07:17,173
Speaker 8: go with it, the main issue is generating the heat

1296
01:07:17,333 --> 01:07:20,453
Speaker 8: that needed to get the reaction going. I mean, I'm

1297
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Speaker 8: not a scientist, but what I read about it, and

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01:07:23,213 --> 01:07:25,573
Speaker 8: what I can understand is that's the main thing that's

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01:07:25,573 --> 01:07:31,093
Speaker 8: stopping any further progress or any quick progress. So yeah,

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01:07:31,333 --> 01:07:33,133
Speaker 8: I'll just keep my eye on it, and as they

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01:07:33,213 --> 01:07:35,533
Speaker 8: get closer and closer, and if they start throwing out

1302
01:07:35,613 --> 01:07:37,533
Speaker 8: public shares on it, yeah.

1303
01:07:37,413 --> 01:07:39,693
Speaker 3: Well interesting. I mean I looked up that DOCA that

1304
01:07:39,813 --> 01:07:43,653
Speaker 3: you talked about, and his startup is called open Star,

1305
01:07:43,853 --> 01:07:46,133
Speaker 3: and I take it that they he's managed to raise

1306
01:07:46,253 --> 01:07:47,893
Speaker 3: quite a bit of money for that startup.

1307
01:07:48,853 --> 01:07:50,653
Speaker 8: Yes, So I mean there's people out there that have

1308
01:07:50,773 --> 01:07:52,853
Speaker 8: got the coin to be able to, oh well it's going,

1309
01:07:52,933 --> 01:07:54,773
Speaker 8: you know, throw a bit of money into this list.

1310
01:07:54,933 --> 01:07:58,573
Speaker 8: Is interesting, This is something in the future could happen. Yes,

1311
01:07:58,733 --> 01:08:01,053
Speaker 8: so yeah, very very you know, yeah, you've got a

1312
01:08:01,133 --> 01:08:05,173
Speaker 8: young he's interesting. Interesting characters of course, being Malory as well.

1313
01:08:05,213 --> 01:08:09,013
Speaker 8: He's come from a background, whereas Muther was, Oh, I

1314
01:08:09,053 --> 01:08:12,133
Speaker 8: won't go down the track anyway, but yeah, yeah, just yeah,

1315
01:08:12,173 --> 01:08:12,573
Speaker 8: bring it on.

1316
01:08:12,773 --> 01:08:14,573
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for you call, Neil, just

1317
01:08:14,653 --> 01:08:17,173
Speaker 2: to clarify that for people that aren't across it. Fission

1318
01:08:17,213 --> 01:08:20,333
Speaker 2: occurs when a nuclear and neutron slams into a larger atom,

1319
01:08:20,412 --> 01:08:23,133
Speaker 2: forcing it to excite and split into two smaller atoms.

1320
01:08:24,053 --> 01:08:27,372
Speaker 2: But that creates a huge amount of energy, but it

1321
01:08:27,492 --> 01:08:31,213
Speaker 2: also creates the waste was Fusion occurs when to adams

1322
01:08:31,253 --> 01:08:33,652
Speaker 2: slam together to form a heavier atom, like when two

1323
01:08:33,732 --> 01:08:37,133
Speaker 2: hydrogen atoms fuse to form one helium atom. So that

1324
01:08:37,293 --> 01:08:39,572
Speaker 2: doesn't have the same It has a huge amount of energy,

1325
01:08:39,652 --> 01:08:41,213
Speaker 2: not quite as much as fission, but we will see

1326
01:08:41,213 --> 01:08:43,612
Speaker 2: how it goes. But it's a lot safer and it

1327
01:08:43,692 --> 01:08:46,213
Speaker 2: doesn't create the same process that powers the sun. It

1328
01:08:46,253 --> 01:08:48,612
Speaker 2: creates huge amounts of energy, several times greater than fusion.

1329
01:08:48,973 --> 01:08:53,253
Speaker 2: It also doesn't produce highly active fission product products, so

1330
01:08:53,412 --> 01:08:55,812
Speaker 2: it's real complex. So if you have the fusion, you

1331
01:08:55,933 --> 01:09:01,213
Speaker 2: have all the benefits of fission without the radioax and

1332
01:09:01,333 --> 01:09:03,132
Speaker 2: toxic waste promise and risks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds exciting, Mike, what's your thoughts about nuclear energy

1334
01:09:07,213 --> 01:09:07,732
Speaker 3: in New Zealand.

1335
01:09:09,333 --> 01:09:15,652
Speaker 20: Interesting conversation and good to listen to Max Bradford. You

1336
01:09:15,732 --> 01:09:18,412
Speaker 20: could all miss the coin of phrase you could smell

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01:09:18,492 --> 01:09:26,372
Speaker 20: the uranium on his breath. Anyway, Anyway, am I little

1338
01:09:26,492 --> 01:09:32,773
Speaker 20: bit at it. I'm no nuclear physicist, but it's interesting

1339
01:09:32,933 --> 01:09:36,933
Speaker 20: the fact that back in the nineteen seventies there were

1340
01:09:37,053 --> 01:09:43,653
Speaker 20: plans to build a nuclear power station north of Helensville

1341
01:09:45,173 --> 01:09:51,372
Speaker 20: on the Kuiper Harbor, and I've seen the plans in fact,

1342
01:09:51,652 --> 01:09:56,253
Speaker 20: and also the fact that there was the pylon on

1343
01:09:56,452 --> 01:09:59,572
Speaker 20: State Highway twelve. If you look out the pylon was

1344
01:09:59,652 --> 01:10:00,372
Speaker 20: actually built.

1345
01:10:00,612 --> 01:10:00,852
Speaker 2: Wow.

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01:10:02,253 --> 01:10:05,213
Speaker 20: Oh yeah, I couldn't believe it when I was told

1347
01:10:05,253 --> 01:10:10,532
Speaker 20: about it. When you got a search kind of internet search,

1348
01:10:10,973 --> 01:10:13,572
Speaker 20: you can see the plans that were done. And I

1349
01:10:13,692 --> 01:10:20,452
Speaker 20: think the political reasons that probably wasn't advanced at that stage.

1350
01:10:23,133 --> 01:10:29,612
Speaker 20: But I mean, nuclear technology has kind of has a

1351
01:10:30,572 --> 01:10:35,852
Speaker 20: huge amount. I've got a grandson who's working on on

1352
01:10:36,093 --> 01:10:42,732
Speaker 20: nuclear submarines and in Hawaii now and and like and

1353
01:10:42,853 --> 01:10:48,452
Speaker 20: we we have we have actually produced some very clever

1354
01:10:49,173 --> 01:10:53,812
Speaker 20: young men and women in this country that have the

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01:10:54,333 --> 01:10:57,333
Speaker 20: that have the ability to be able to do it.

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Speaker 20: And so I think bring it on. I mean, like

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01:11:01,973 --> 01:11:06,213
Speaker 20: when when you're talking about as as they were discussing,

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01:11:06,652 --> 01:11:10,933
Speaker 20: you know, the hydro power produced in the bottom of

1359
01:11:10,933 --> 01:11:13,973
Speaker 20: the South, got to get it a long way to

1360
01:11:14,053 --> 01:11:16,253
Speaker 20: where the major power users are.

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01:11:16,572 --> 01:11:19,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what the problem with t Why point the

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01:11:19,133 --> 01:11:21,213
Speaker 2: power generator for that that you can't just redirect it

1363
01:11:21,293 --> 01:11:23,293
Speaker 2: up the country without a huge cost. Mike, So you

1364
01:11:23,333 --> 01:11:26,572
Speaker 2: said you've seen the plans for this potential nuclear power

1365
01:11:26,612 --> 01:11:30,253
Speaker 2: plant at CIPRA. Obviously wasn't built. Did it look like

1366
01:11:30,333 --> 01:11:34,452
Speaker 2: a classic Simpson's power plant Springfield power plant?

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01:11:37,013 --> 01:11:41,492
Speaker 20: Not at all, because it's not at all.

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01:11:41,572 --> 01:11:42,692
Speaker 10: It's all very serious.

1369
01:11:43,532 --> 01:11:45,372
Speaker 2: Oh well, hey, thank you so much for very serious.

1370
01:11:45,652 --> 01:11:46,932
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call. Mike.

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01:11:47,293 --> 01:11:47,492
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:11:47,572 --> 01:11:49,293
Speaker 3: Interesting, I never knew about that neither.

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01:11:49,293 --> 01:11:50,412
Speaker 2: I want to check out this pylon.

1374
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Speaker 3: I'm looking at it. Yeah, yeah, me too. I'm looking

1375
01:11:53,013 --> 01:11:55,173
Speaker 3: at some information here, and he's quite right. I'll do

1376
01:11:55,213 --> 01:11:57,852
Speaker 3: a bit more reading on. It was kind of kept

1377
01:11:57,933 --> 01:12:00,572
Speaker 3: under wraps in the seventies because of what was going on,

1378
01:12:00,732 --> 01:12:02,852
Speaker 3: and never obviously got off the ground. But very interesting.

1379
01:12:03,173 --> 01:12:04,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'll tell you what. We'd prefer to have

1380
01:12:04,973 --> 01:12:07,412
Speaker 2: one that was built in twenty thirty than one that

1381
01:12:07,492 --> 01:12:10,333
Speaker 2: was built in the seventies, because the technology has moved

1382
01:12:10,372 --> 01:12:11,692
Speaker 2: on so much since then.

1383
01:12:11,933 --> 01:12:14,012
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1384
01:12:14,013 --> 01:12:16,852
Speaker 3: to call. It is twelve minutes to three.

1385
01:12:18,293 --> 01:12:20,652
Speaker 4: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1386
01:12:20,772 --> 01:12:21,333
Speaker 4: along the way.

1387
01:12:21,612 --> 01:12:25,093
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty

1388
01:12:25,133 --> 01:12:26,492
Speaker 1: four News Talks.

1389
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Speaker 3: V News Talks. Thereb it is ten to three just

1390
01:12:29,173 --> 01:12:31,732
Speaker 3: before we go back to the calls. So the previous

1391
01:12:31,772 --> 01:12:35,572
Speaker 3: caller was mentioning plans for a plant nuclear power plant

1392
01:12:35,652 --> 01:12:37,772
Speaker 3: of sorts in New Zealand, and he's quite right. I

1393
01:12:38,452 --> 01:12:41,932
Speaker 3: found some information. So in nineteen sixty six, Oyster Point

1394
01:12:42,053 --> 01:12:44,692
Speaker 3: on the Kaipiter Harbor north of Auckland had been established

1395
01:12:44,692 --> 01:12:47,133
Speaker 3: as the best location for a nuclear power plant. The

1396
01:12:47,213 --> 01:12:51,253
Speaker 3: Navy conducted soundings. Engineers from the Electricity Department was sent

1397
01:12:51,333 --> 01:12:54,612
Speaker 3: overseas to train up, and foreign experts offered advice, including

1398
01:12:54,652 --> 01:12:58,413
Speaker 3: one Canadian who advised bringing in raw uranium for processing.

1399
01:12:58,812 --> 01:13:01,852
Speaker 3: The plant needed to process the uranium would be no

1400
01:13:01,933 --> 01:13:05,213
Speaker 3: bigger than the average New Zealand home, the press reported

1401
01:13:05,253 --> 01:13:07,133
Speaker 3: at the time. The power station was made official in

1402
01:13:07,173 --> 01:13:11,412
Speaker 3: recommendations and was to be commissioned in nineteen seventy seven,

1403
01:13:11,692 --> 01:13:14,093
Speaker 3: but that was abandoned after we decided we didn't like

1404
01:13:14,253 --> 01:13:17,293
Speaker 3: nuclear anymore. Interesting, Chris, how are you?

1405
01:13:18,772 --> 01:13:18,972
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1406
01:13:19,053 --> 01:13:20,572
Speaker 14: Good things there I go.

1407
01:13:21,053 --> 01:13:22,532
Speaker 3: Now you want to talk about total power?

1408
01:13:23,612 --> 01:13:27,452
Speaker 18: Yes, because it's a renewable energy, which is you know,

1409
01:13:28,053 --> 01:13:32,412
Speaker 18: the twenty four to seven it was actually a plan

1410
01:13:32,532 --> 01:13:35,933
Speaker 18: to put it into the Kaipra as a trial with

1411
01:13:36,053 --> 01:13:40,732
Speaker 18: a group, but the Green Party actually candidate because of

1412
01:13:41,572 --> 01:13:45,412
Speaker 18: fish life, you know, so it never got off the ground,

1413
01:13:45,492 --> 01:13:47,452
Speaker 18: which is a very a big shame.

1414
01:13:48,572 --> 01:13:51,492
Speaker 3: And you've looked into total power. What's the technology like

1415
01:13:51,572 --> 01:13:54,932
Speaker 3: in terms of harnessing that Is it being used successfully overseas?

1416
01:13:56,133 --> 01:13:59,812
Speaker 18: Yes, there are in Holland and some other places like that.

1417
01:14:00,133 --> 01:14:03,893
Speaker 18: It's selling new. The turbine is actually on the seafloor,

1418
01:14:04,492 --> 01:14:09,293
Speaker 18: so they don't interrupt shipping at all. But the thing is,

1419
01:14:09,372 --> 01:14:11,892
Speaker 18: you don't know what it's going to do to fish life.

1420
01:14:12,772 --> 01:14:15,812
Speaker 18: But we've got you know, the Kuiper is the largest

1421
01:14:16,652 --> 01:14:19,972
Speaker 18: metal harbor in the Southern Hemisphere, huge tidal power there

1422
01:14:20,532 --> 01:14:25,732
Speaker 18: right beside Auckland other fung array up north. There's lots

1423
01:14:25,772 --> 01:14:29,133
Speaker 18: of harbors that could use that technology as well as

1424
01:14:29,572 --> 01:14:37,092
Speaker 18: cooked straight over straight. Yeah, and it is a totally

1425
01:14:37,213 --> 01:14:38,253
Speaker 18: renewable energy.

1426
01:14:38,492 --> 01:14:39,093
Speaker 3: It makes sense.

1427
01:14:39,173 --> 01:14:40,013
Speaker 18: You can't stop it.

1428
01:14:40,173 --> 01:14:41,932
Speaker 3: You Well, look as you're talking about it, it makes

1429
01:14:41,973 --> 01:14:44,973
Speaker 3: sense to me, Chris. What is the expense from for

1430
01:14:45,133 --> 01:14:47,893
Speaker 3: producing these generators, these tidal generators.

1431
01:14:49,253 --> 01:14:52,532
Speaker 18: Well, I don't have you know the pricing on that,

1432
01:14:53,093 --> 01:14:57,132
Speaker 18: but it wouldn't be I don't think it'll be anywhere

1433
01:14:57,532 --> 01:15:03,693
Speaker 18: near what you'd be paying on a nucleus power Station's.

1434
01:15:01,973 --> 01:15:03,612
Speaker 3: An interesting yeah, you carry on.

1435
01:15:04,652 --> 01:15:12,053
Speaker 18: Oh well, it's just they are turbine with blades much

1436
01:15:12,372 --> 01:15:15,013
Speaker 18: different than a wind turbine. You know that they are

1437
01:15:15,253 --> 01:15:21,372
Speaker 18: sideways rather than actually the big horizontal or whatever blades

1438
01:15:21,412 --> 01:15:27,973
Speaker 18: on a wind turbine, and then cabling underneath. It's just,

1439
01:15:29,213 --> 01:15:33,652
Speaker 18: you know, it's like chess thermal, it's there. It doesn't

1440
01:15:33,772 --> 01:15:38,452
Speaker 18: matter about wind or sun is it goes twenty four seven.

1441
01:15:38,692 --> 01:15:41,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, just on the environmental concerns, you're quite right

1442
01:15:42,013 --> 01:15:45,372
Speaker 3: that the title power can affect marine life. The turbines

1443
01:15:45,452 --> 01:15:48,812
Speaker 3: rotating blades can accidentally kill the swimming sea life. Projects

1444
01:15:48,812 --> 01:15:51,932
Speaker 3: such as the one in Strangford include a safety mechanism

1445
01:15:52,013 --> 01:15:55,372
Speaker 3: that turns off the turbine when marine animals approach. So certainly.

1446
01:15:55,452 --> 01:15:58,172
Speaker 3: You know, technology again has come a long way. Interesting

1447
01:15:58,253 --> 01:15:59,293
Speaker 3: thing about title power.

1448
01:15:59,213 --> 01:16:04,172
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess everything in the mix title power, solar, wind,

1449
01:16:04,692 --> 01:16:09,412
Speaker 2: hydro and a nuclear and probably less Indonesian coal if

1450
01:16:09,412 --> 01:16:11,173
Speaker 2: we can probably if we can organize that.

1451
01:16:11,452 --> 01:16:13,253
Speaker 3: Sounds like a good idea, right, Well, that's been a

1452
01:16:13,253 --> 01:16:14,372
Speaker 3: good discussion.

1453
01:16:14,053 --> 01:16:16,333
Speaker 2: It certainly has. So we're going to need more and

1454
01:16:16,412 --> 01:16:19,293
Speaker 2: more power that, it's for sure. And good luck damning

1455
01:16:19,293 --> 01:16:21,652
Speaker 2: any more rivers in this country. And the intimate nation

1456
01:16:21,772 --> 01:16:24,412
Speaker 2: of solar nature of solar and winds is a problem here,

1457
01:16:24,452 --> 01:16:26,412
Speaker 2: isn't it. You're going to need billions and billions of

1458
01:16:26,452 --> 01:16:28,612
Speaker 2: dollars a battery and that has a whole set of

1459
01:16:28,692 --> 01:16:32,293
Speaker 2: problems with it as well. Nuclear power generation is much

1460
01:16:32,372 --> 01:16:34,612
Speaker 2: safer than the use of being In fact, it's arguably

1461
01:16:34,692 --> 01:16:37,173
Speaker 2: the safest form of power generation. Ninety six percent of

1462
01:16:37,213 --> 01:16:39,772
Speaker 2: the waste is low risk and can be reused in

1463
01:16:39,853 --> 01:16:42,732
Speaker 2: the four percent is and it can be safely built

1464
01:16:42,853 --> 01:16:45,932
Speaker 2: around concrete, arounded and protected and put on the ground

1465
01:16:45,973 --> 01:16:48,892
Speaker 2: and protect them from everything, including earthquakes. So while coal

1466
01:16:48,933 --> 01:16:51,412
Speaker 2: and gas generation spew into the atmosphere and nuclear just

1467
01:16:51,612 --> 01:16:54,293
Speaker 2: spews underground and we won't see it again for thousands

1468
01:16:54,293 --> 01:16:57,972
Speaker 2: of years, and these new small modular generators are advancing fast,

1469
01:16:58,053 --> 01:17:00,012
Speaker 2: so in ten fifteen years they might be the size

1470
01:17:00,013 --> 01:17:02,972
Speaker 2: of containers. So I think we should open our minds

1471
01:17:03,013 --> 01:17:06,013
Speaker 2: to nuclear power generation in New Zealand. And to use

1472
01:17:06,053 --> 01:17:08,692
Speaker 2: a term I framed I came up with earlier today,

1473
01:17:09,372 --> 01:17:14,652
Speaker 2: we need to lean into the deforification of nuclear power

1474
01:17:14,772 --> 01:17:16,772
Speaker 2: and we need to uncouple it from our fear of

1475
01:17:16,893 --> 01:17:19,333
Speaker 2: nuclear weapons, because they're totally different things. And if we

1476
01:17:19,452 --> 01:17:21,612
Speaker 2: do this, we might just keep up with the world

1477
01:17:21,732 --> 01:17:23,133
Speaker 2: and maybe not get left behind for once.

1478
01:17:23,213 --> 01:17:26,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, quick question for you. Should the government be invested

1479
01:17:26,452 --> 01:17:28,412
Speaker 3: in this? Should they be roping in the likes of

1480
01:17:28,492 --> 01:17:32,813
Speaker 3: Meriadian contact to stop looking at your ideas for renewables

1481
01:17:32,853 --> 01:17:34,972
Speaker 3: at this point and start looking at this strategy.

1482
01:17:35,133 --> 01:17:38,652
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Like as Dr David Kroftcheck said from the

1483
01:17:38,692 --> 01:17:41,253
Speaker 2: Physics Partment of the university, we need to open our

1484
01:17:41,293 --> 01:17:42,812
Speaker 2: minds to it. We probably don't want to be the

1485
01:17:42,893 --> 01:17:44,892
Speaker 2: first people to buy these ones. I do, but when

1486
01:17:44,933 --> 01:17:48,253
Speaker 2: they come firing off the factory line, we need to

1487
01:17:48,293 --> 01:17:50,372
Speaker 2: have our laws ready and our minds open to bring

1488
01:17:50,452 --> 01:17:50,612
Speaker 2: it in.

1489
01:17:50,973 --> 01:17:53,452
Speaker 3: Do some deals with the Chinese now and get this

1490
01:17:53,532 --> 01:17:54,532
Speaker 3: technology in New Zealand.

1491
01:17:54,812 --> 01:17:56,692
Speaker 2: Hopefully the Americans start making them.

1492
01:17:57,253 --> 01:17:59,572
Speaker 3: Yeah right, good chat, Thank you very much for all

1493
01:17:59,612 --> 01:18:02,173
Speaker 3: your phone calls on that one. After three o'clock we're

1494
01:18:02,213 --> 01:18:04,973
Speaker 3: going to be talking about the rise of basketball in

1495
01:18:05,093 --> 01:18:07,012
Speaker 3: schools and the lack of basketball courts.

1496
01:18:07,213 --> 01:18:09,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about become the number one sport in the country.

1497
01:18:09,652 --> 01:18:12,093
Speaker 2: But we have five hundred courts shorts that do we

1498
01:18:12,173 --> 01:18:15,173
Speaker 2: need to redirect our cash from more traditional sports? Oh wait,

1499
01:18:15,293 --> 01:18:16,372
Speaker 2: undred eighty to Navy.

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Speaker 3: Nine ninety two is the text number is four minutes

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01:18:19,732 --> 01:18:22,853
Speaker 3: to three. You're listening to Mett and Tyler good afternoons.

1502
01:18:22,933 --> 01:18:55,213
Speaker 4: You ill to talking with you all afternoon.

1503
01:18:55,452 --> 01:18:58,932
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty

1504
01:18:59,013 --> 01:19:00,492
Speaker 1: twenty four news Talk.

1505
01:19:00,572 --> 01:19:05,093
Speaker 3: Sibby, Well today, welcome back into the show. Seven past three.

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01:19:05,293 --> 01:19:07,093
Speaker 3: Now you've been doing a bit of research, man.

1507
01:19:07,492 --> 01:19:11,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, so for the whole last hours using the word deferification,

1508
01:19:12,173 --> 01:19:13,892
Speaker 2: I was talking about it, but it turns out it's

1509
01:19:13,893 --> 01:19:15,652
Speaker 2: not a real word. I was making that up, but

1510
01:19:15,732 --> 01:19:17,333
Speaker 2: I found out the word I was looking for with

1511
01:19:17,452 --> 01:19:19,412
Speaker 2: the help of you lovely people on nine two, nine

1512
01:19:19,412 --> 01:19:23,812
Speaker 2: and two. Destigmification is what I was looking for. Yeah,

1513
01:19:24,133 --> 01:19:27,692
Speaker 2: so I'm reliably informed that destigmification is what I meant

1514
01:19:27,692 --> 01:19:29,452
Speaker 2: around nuclear energy in New Zealand.

1515
01:19:29,492 --> 01:19:32,213
Speaker 3: All right, yeah, the verification is going to pick up though,

1516
01:19:32,253 --> 01:19:34,772
Speaker 3: it's going to take over d You know who says

1517
01:19:34,812 --> 01:19:35,333
Speaker 3: you can't make.

1518
01:19:35,293 --> 01:19:38,572
Speaker 2: Up words exactly, but the language isn't static, it's not done,

1519
01:19:38,732 --> 01:19:41,253
Speaker 2: so if I want to it, there's not a single

1520
01:19:41,293 --> 01:19:43,893
Speaker 2: person that heard my word deforification didn't know what I

1521
01:19:44,013 --> 01:19:46,173
Speaker 2: mean exactly. Just because it's not a word doesn't mean

1522
01:19:46,213 --> 01:19:47,572
Speaker 2: it's not always not going to be a word.

1523
01:19:47,652 --> 01:19:49,492
Speaker 3: The French and German do it all the time, make

1524
01:19:49,572 --> 01:19:51,532
Speaker 3: up words. But it's right. We're going to move on

1525
01:19:51,692 --> 01:19:57,013
Speaker 3: to basketball in schools now. The story this morning, it

1526
01:19:57,093 --> 01:19:59,532
Speaker 3: was an interview with Mike Costing very interesting that in

1527
01:19:59,732 --> 01:20:02,293
Speaker 3: just over a year's time, basketball was set to become

1528
01:20:02,572 --> 01:20:08,213
Speaker 3: the most popular sport in New Zealand. Faticipation jumping sixty one,

1529
01:20:08,372 --> 01:20:10,532
Speaker 3: the sentence two thousand. They are big numbers, aren't they?

1530
01:20:10,612 --> 01:20:11,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, they certainly are.

1531
01:20:11,692 --> 01:20:14,612
Speaker 3: But here is where the concern is that New Zealand

1532
01:20:14,772 --> 01:20:18,052
Speaker 3: is five hundred basketball court short to support the growing

1533
01:20:18,133 --> 01:20:22,173
Speaker 3: popularity so sport school sport in z CEO Mike's summer

1534
01:20:22,532 --> 01:20:25,493
Speaker 3: Rala told my Costkin that while schools have great facilities,

1535
01:20:25,812 --> 01:20:28,532
Speaker 3: they can only cater for the smaller games, and national

1536
01:20:28,572 --> 01:20:32,652
Speaker 3: competitions are maxing the current facilities out. He says. They

1537
01:20:32,692 --> 01:20:35,132
Speaker 3: all also have to share the courts with other sports,

1538
01:20:35,213 --> 01:20:37,452
Speaker 3: and while they want games to be played indoors, space

1539
01:20:37,652 --> 01:20:38,892
Speaker 3: is hard to come by.

1540
01:20:39,253 --> 01:20:42,772
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So what are they going to encroach on?

1541
01:20:43,173 --> 01:20:44,732
Speaker 2: Do we need to build more courts or are they

1542
01:20:44,772 --> 01:20:48,492
Speaker 2: going to start invading netty courts? Netball is netball under threat?

1543
01:20:49,093 --> 01:20:52,972
Speaker 2: Start lowering the lowering the hoops and putting a backboard

1544
01:20:53,053 --> 01:20:54,612
Speaker 2: on them. Is that what they're going to do? Or

1545
01:20:54,692 --> 01:20:58,772
Speaker 2: they or divert money from rugby to building more courts?

1546
01:20:58,812 --> 01:21:03,532
Speaker 2: Are we going to start covering over rugby fields with

1547
01:21:05,013 --> 01:21:07,053
Speaker 2: lino so we can play basketball?

1548
01:21:07,173 --> 01:21:07,372
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1549
01:21:07,692 --> 01:21:11,173
Speaker 2: Interesting, that's a huge change, isn't it? And I know

1550
01:21:11,293 --> 01:21:15,092
Speaker 2: why because basketball is a sport a it's got the NBA,

1551
01:21:15,133 --> 01:21:18,412
Speaker 2: and it's got the glamour and you know, it's got

1552
01:21:18,452 --> 01:21:22,333
Speaker 2: that huge social media presence that the NBA does. It

1553
01:21:22,372 --> 01:21:26,213
Speaker 2: has the superstars that people can get behind, and of

1554
01:21:26,372 --> 01:21:29,053
Speaker 2: course it's a sport you can play by yourself. As

1555
01:21:29,053 --> 01:21:30,732
Speaker 2: I've said before, you can play by yourself. You can

1556
01:21:30,812 --> 01:21:33,412
Speaker 2: play but with two people you can play half court,

1557
01:21:33,772 --> 01:21:36,372
Speaker 2: play full court. And if your kids you play on

1558
01:21:36,412 --> 01:21:40,932
Speaker 2: a Friday evening to go to the opposition school gym.

1559
01:21:41,013 --> 01:21:43,173
Speaker 2: When I played basketball, and I played it very seriously

1560
01:21:43,213 --> 01:21:46,213
Speaker 2: when I was at high school, was often terrifying going

1561
01:21:46,253 --> 01:21:48,133
Speaker 2: to another gym, but it was great going, especially if

1562
01:21:48,173 --> 01:21:49,732
Speaker 2: you went to the private school gyms. They had a

1563
01:21:49,732 --> 01:21:51,293
Speaker 2: flash gym and then we'd smash them and that was

1564
01:21:52,692 --> 01:21:54,933
Speaker 2: a great source of joy for me. And then you

1565
01:21:55,053 --> 01:21:57,412
Speaker 2: go out with your team and get a burger, and

1566
01:21:57,452 --> 01:22:00,932
Speaker 2: then the weekend is yours exactly, you know, And that's

1567
01:22:01,093 --> 01:22:03,492
Speaker 2: very different in terms of a commitment of prepared and

1568
01:22:03,532 --> 01:22:05,492
Speaker 2: it's very different because your kids can just get to

1569
01:22:06,013 --> 01:22:09,412
Speaker 2: the gym themselves generally and play the game. So there's

1570
01:22:09,452 --> 01:22:14,013
Speaker 2: a lot of there's a lot in the favor of basketball.

1571
01:22:14,173 --> 01:22:15,333
Speaker 2: And then you bring in you know, of course the

1572
01:22:15,372 --> 01:22:19,292
Speaker 2: Breakers as well, a very successful and well run franchise.

1573
01:22:19,412 --> 01:22:22,213
Speaker 3: But if there's so many kids playing basketball over rugby,

1574
01:22:22,293 --> 01:22:25,492
Speaker 3: and clearly that big numbers sixty one percent growth in

1575
01:22:25,612 --> 01:22:28,293
Speaker 3: what twenty four years, and we need more basketball courts,

1576
01:22:28,612 --> 01:22:30,892
Speaker 3: I mean, is it fast becoming that our national sport

1577
01:22:31,013 --> 01:22:33,213
Speaker 3: is no longer our national sport aka rugby.

1578
01:22:33,652 --> 01:22:35,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it depends what you define your national sport as.

1579
01:22:36,492 --> 01:22:40,612
Speaker 2: So we're definitely not beating the world at basketball. You know,

1580
01:22:41,213 --> 01:22:44,293
Speaker 2: we've battered above our weight, it's not we're boxed above

1581
01:22:44,333 --> 01:22:46,013
Speaker 2: our weight is the same, That doesn't quite work. We've

1582
01:22:46,053 --> 01:22:47,053
Speaker 2: bounced above our weight.

1583
01:22:47,253 --> 01:22:47,492
Speaker 3: Nice.

1584
01:22:47,652 --> 01:22:51,852
Speaker 2: I like that we've dunked above our weight globally, but

1585
01:22:52,853 --> 01:22:54,612
Speaker 2: we're still a long way back. And I think that

1586
01:22:54,772 --> 01:22:57,293
Speaker 2: you know what the All Blacks bring to us, as

1587
01:22:57,612 --> 01:23:01,372
Speaker 2: you know, even in a rebuilding year, we've still managed

1588
01:23:01,372 --> 01:23:03,972
Speaker 2: to be incredibly competitive and you know, only lost four

1589
01:23:04,013 --> 01:23:05,452
Speaker 2: games in a year so far. As long as a

1590
01:23:05,612 --> 01:23:08,093
Speaker 2: touch would we beat Italy. So I think that on

1591
01:23:08,133 --> 01:23:12,333
Speaker 2: the international stage rugby is still our national sport. And

1592
01:23:12,532 --> 01:23:15,852
Speaker 2: look cricket, I mean huge, Look at that when we

1593
01:23:16,692 --> 01:23:19,812
Speaker 2: beat India, whitewashed India in a Test series.

1594
01:23:20,133 --> 01:23:20,532
Speaker 6: So good.

1595
01:23:20,652 --> 01:23:22,812
Speaker 3: So to keep remembering that, so these.

1596
01:23:22,692 --> 01:23:27,813
Speaker 2: Traditional sports or you know, are still achieving for us globally,

1597
01:23:28,253 --> 01:23:30,973
Speaker 2: even if the kids are abandoning ship. But having said that,

1598
01:23:31,173 --> 01:23:36,412
Speaker 2: if the best athletes, and I think you know, often

1599
01:23:36,452 --> 01:23:38,133
Speaker 2: when you find a great athlete, then they're good across

1600
01:23:38,213 --> 01:23:40,213
Speaker 2: another at number of sports. You see that at the

1601
01:23:40,213 --> 01:23:42,532
Speaker 2: black clash when the rugby players are incredibly good at

1602
01:23:42,612 --> 01:23:44,852
Speaker 2: at cricket and some of them could have chosen and

1603
01:23:45,013 --> 01:23:47,453
Speaker 2: you know, so, of course we've had our double Internationals

1604
01:23:47,492 --> 01:23:52,532
Speaker 2: between cricket and rugby, but if those great sports people

1605
01:23:52,933 --> 01:23:58,692
Speaker 2: choose a different sport, then that does influence our achievement

1606
01:23:58,692 --> 01:24:01,052
Speaker 2: globally and rugby going forward. In cricket.

1607
01:24:01,173 --> 01:24:04,052
Speaker 3: But if we think look at our superstars and basketball internationally,

1608
01:24:04,133 --> 01:24:06,013
Speaker 3: there's only one name I can think of off the

1609
01:24:06,053 --> 01:24:09,532
Speaker 3: top of my head, Steven Adams, and his rise to

1610
01:24:09,732 --> 01:24:11,893
Speaker 3: the NBA is not one I'm familiar with, but I

1611
01:24:12,013 --> 01:24:15,572
Speaker 3: imagine he was spotted by a talent scout early on

1612
01:24:15,732 --> 01:24:18,532
Speaker 3: in his basketball playing career. Now he's earning what twenty

1613
01:24:18,612 --> 01:24:21,012
Speaker 3: million dollars a year. So if young kids are wanting

1614
01:24:21,053 --> 01:24:23,173
Speaker 3: to get into basketball in New Zealand, and that may

1615
01:24:23,293 --> 01:24:26,532
Speaker 3: be a professional career part for them to earn some

1616
01:24:26,652 --> 01:24:29,532
Speaker 3: good money. Clearly not everyone's going to get to Steven

1617
01:24:29,572 --> 01:24:31,932
Speaker 3: Adams level, but I think that's a good thing. Yes,

1618
01:24:32,093 --> 01:24:34,412
Speaker 3: we want our fantastic rugby players, but do we not

1619
01:24:34,532 --> 01:24:36,812
Speaker 3: want to invest in the basketball players as well?

1620
01:24:37,173 --> 01:24:39,213
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, Steven Adams had an advantage that a lot

1621
01:24:39,213 --> 01:24:41,812
Speaker 2: of people don't have has this tech? Said, Heath, you

1622
01:24:41,893 --> 01:24:44,492
Speaker 2: played basketball? You are five foot four? Mate? Well done,

1623
01:24:44,532 --> 01:24:47,173
Speaker 2: that's from mars. I'm not five foot four. Yeah, I

1624
01:24:47,293 --> 01:24:49,253
Speaker 2: was probably five foot four when I started playing basketball,

1625
01:24:49,293 --> 01:24:53,212
Speaker 2: but I'm I'm six ' five. Yeah, fiveteen?

1626
01:24:53,293 --> 01:24:54,253
Speaker 12: Are you well?

1627
01:24:54,492 --> 01:24:56,412
Speaker 2: I'm either fiveteen or six five? It's hard to say.

1628
01:24:56,452 --> 01:24:59,372
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, there's not much that really was there? Oh,

1629
01:24:59,452 --> 01:25:03,372
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty? Should we or is now

1630
01:25:03,532 --> 01:25:05,973
Speaker 3: the time to start diverting money from other sports in

1631
01:25:06,013 --> 01:25:08,133
Speaker 3: New Zealand to build these five hundred courts we need.

1632
01:25:08,492 --> 01:25:10,692
Speaker 3: That's what children want to get into and kids want

1633
01:25:10,732 --> 01:25:13,492
Speaker 3: to play in school. Is that a wise investment? Do

1634
01:25:13,532 --> 01:25:16,452
Speaker 3: we need to start encouraging these young basketball players now?

1635
01:25:16,772 --> 01:25:19,772
Speaker 2: Yeah? And of course we've also had Sean Mark's and

1636
01:25:19,853 --> 01:25:22,572
Speaker 2: Kirk Penny as well, so we've we've had some really

1637
01:25:22,732 --> 01:25:27,053
Speaker 2: spectacular basketball players come out of our country. But yeah,

1638
01:25:27,213 --> 01:25:32,812
Speaker 2: I mean, how would you feel if money was diverted

1639
01:25:32,853 --> 01:25:36,412
Speaker 2: if they started, as I said, paving over rugby fields

1640
01:25:37,853 --> 01:25:40,372
Speaker 2: to play basketball? And you know, if your kids played

1641
01:25:40,692 --> 01:25:43,692
Speaker 2: basketball eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, what's the experience

1642
01:25:43,853 --> 01:25:46,093
Speaker 2: like in that? And if they've moved from basketball from

1643
01:25:46,173 --> 01:25:49,812
Speaker 2: rugby to basketball. Then tell us what the experience is

1644
01:25:49,933 --> 01:25:50,652
Speaker 2: for you as a parent.

1645
01:25:50,692 --> 01:25:53,492
Speaker 3: Well, I've got a question for you. Both of your

1646
01:25:53,692 --> 01:25:54,812
Speaker 3: sons play basketball.

1647
01:25:54,853 --> 01:25:55,013
Speaker 11: Do that?

1648
01:25:55,253 --> 01:25:58,452
Speaker 2: No one of them will grab a basketball and go

1649
01:25:58,572 --> 01:26:01,213
Speaker 2: and shoot hoopes and go half court with his mates. Yeah,

1650
01:26:01,692 --> 01:26:04,612
Speaker 2: but he didn't play basketball at high school. But the

1651
01:26:04,692 --> 01:26:08,012
Speaker 2: skill level is through the roof. I watched some high

1652
01:26:08,013 --> 01:26:11,372
Speaker 2: school basketball recently and I was blowing away compared to

1653
01:26:11,412 --> 01:26:13,572
Speaker 2: what it was like in the Logan Park gym for me.

1654
01:26:13,772 --> 01:26:15,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he got your height, didn't he? Well he's

1655
01:26:15,532 --> 01:26:16,173
Speaker 3: about six to two.

1656
01:26:16,492 --> 01:26:17,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's sixteen.

1657
01:26:18,013 --> 01:26:19,973
Speaker 3: That's right. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1658
01:26:20,093 --> 01:26:23,772
Speaker 3: number to call. It's fourteen past three news talks, he'd

1659
01:26:23,812 --> 01:26:25,412
Speaker 3: be seventeen past three.

1660
01:26:25,612 --> 01:26:28,492
Speaker 2: So basketball is set to become the most played sport

1661
01:26:28,612 --> 01:26:32,972
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. But it looks like we're five hundred

1662
01:26:33,333 --> 01:26:37,492
Speaker 2: court short. So we've been caught short something. It's very

1663
01:26:37,612 --> 01:26:41,213
Speaker 2: good texted through with a few We need five hundred

1664
01:26:41,253 --> 01:26:43,173
Speaker 2: more courts to keep playing it. So if it is

1665
01:26:43,253 --> 01:26:45,492
Speaker 2: their most played sport, do we need to divote divert

1666
01:26:45,572 --> 01:26:46,652
Speaker 2: funds from other sports?

1667
01:26:47,612 --> 01:26:47,852
Speaker 4: Mark?

1668
01:26:48,173 --> 01:26:49,333
Speaker 3: How do you feel about this topic?

1669
01:26:50,853 --> 01:26:54,293
Speaker 26: I think it's a great idea. I'm originally from Toned

1670
01:26:54,372 --> 01:26:58,052
Speaker 26: and then we're relocated down to Southland and the Cargoll

1671
01:26:58,732 --> 01:27:00,532
Speaker 26: and I remember when I was at school, we'd got

1672
01:27:00,572 --> 01:27:02,932
Speaker 26: the Head Casino and Portsmouth Drive there as Monny as

1673
01:27:02,973 --> 01:27:07,253
Speaker 26: you're from, yeah, and you wouldn't see much basketball there

1674
01:27:07,412 --> 01:27:10,173
Speaker 26: at all. It was all either indoor cricket or indoor soccer,

1675
01:27:10,253 --> 01:27:12,692
Speaker 26: and they did have a big basketball court. But I'll

1676
01:27:12,692 --> 01:27:15,773
Speaker 26: tell you what, South and mcago has got an amazing

1677
01:27:16,532 --> 01:27:19,652
Speaker 26: stadium down here also with a big belodrome on it. Now,

1678
01:27:19,732 --> 01:27:21,692
Speaker 26: my boy goes to South and Boys High and he

1679
01:27:21,853 --> 01:27:25,933
Speaker 26: is a basketball fanatic. He's only fourteen. And let's just

1680
01:27:26,013 --> 01:27:29,892
Speaker 26: say between this, when when basketball is going down here,

1681
01:27:30,013 --> 01:27:33,093
Speaker 26: it goes from four o'clock right up to eight point

1682
01:27:33,093 --> 01:27:36,812
Speaker 26: thirty at night, and that's it's just multiple courts. It's

1683
01:27:36,893 --> 01:27:39,333
Speaker 26: actually really impressive. And I put the big drive on

1684
01:27:40,213 --> 01:27:42,653
Speaker 26: since basketball has been popular, because.

1685
01:27:42,452 --> 01:27:42,772
Speaker 24: Now that.

1686
01:27:44,253 --> 01:27:46,053
Speaker 26: We had it, we've got a team that joined the

1687
01:27:46,093 --> 01:27:49,253
Speaker 26: Australian League, and not just that, but a lot of

1688
01:27:49,333 --> 01:27:52,572
Speaker 26: the big cities of the Tager Nuggets and Southern Sharks

1689
01:27:52,612 --> 01:27:56,492
Speaker 26: and the Giants will now has been televised and it's

1690
01:27:56,572 --> 01:27:57,932
Speaker 26: been pushed more and it's out.

1691
01:27:57,812 --> 01:27:58,492
Speaker 6: There in the open.

1692
01:27:58,973 --> 01:28:01,452
Speaker 26: Well, I'll go home and my young fella will be

1693
01:28:01,572 --> 01:28:06,133
Speaker 26: on YouTube on the smart TV, and he's forever watching basketball,

1694
01:28:06,213 --> 01:28:09,293
Speaker 26: all the moves we've got to hoop out there, and

1695
01:28:09,452 --> 01:28:11,652
Speaker 26: he's just forever out there. He plays rugby and all

1696
01:28:11,732 --> 01:28:13,572
Speaker 26: that as well. But if he had his choice, he

1697
01:28:13,612 --> 01:28:19,652
Speaker 26: would play basketball. I think invest in and decent sized

1698
01:28:19,732 --> 01:28:25,053
Speaker 26: multi purpose sports centers where they have netball, basketball and

1699
01:28:25,213 --> 01:28:27,293
Speaker 26: all sorts of stuff and use it for other stuff

1700
01:28:27,333 --> 01:28:30,492
Speaker 26: as well. If basketball's going to take off, let's start

1701
01:28:30,492 --> 01:28:31,133
Speaker 26: investing in it.

1702
01:28:31,572 --> 01:28:31,772
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1703
01:28:31,973 --> 01:28:35,173
Speaker 2: Well, the Eger Center is a fantastic operation. That's with

1704
01:28:35,213 --> 01:28:38,612
Speaker 2: the Ottaga Nuggets play obviously, and you can use that

1705
01:28:38,692 --> 01:28:41,173
Speaker 2: for all kinds of things. My dad sometimes rent certain

1706
01:28:41,213 --> 01:28:46,412
Speaker 2: flies as from sometimes rent certain flies as model aircraft

1707
01:28:46,452 --> 01:28:49,732
Speaker 2: around and then yeah, you can be great. The center

1708
01:28:49,853 --> 01:28:53,732
Speaker 2: is fantastic. You can rent it. But what what night

1709
01:28:53,812 --> 01:28:55,812
Speaker 2: does your son play basketball? Mark?

1710
01:28:57,053 --> 01:29:00,452
Speaker 26: Oh, look, he's got he'll play mixed netball on a

1711
01:29:00,532 --> 01:29:04,493
Speaker 26: Tuesday night. And if I remember rightly, it's a Thursday.

1712
01:29:04,692 --> 01:29:06,333
Speaker 26: I can't keep that mate from the sports and the

1713
01:29:06,412 --> 01:29:09,133
Speaker 26: kids and running around. And he plays on Thursday and

1714
01:29:09,652 --> 01:29:12,213
Speaker 26: he'll ham and his mates to walk from Boys High

1715
01:29:12,692 --> 01:29:15,293
Speaker 26: the Vala the big stadiums on there, like a teen

1716
01:29:15,293 --> 01:29:18,772
Speaker 26: to fifteen minute walk from really where they're scholars. They'll

1717
01:29:18,853 --> 01:29:21,013
Speaker 26: go there, and when you go there, it is just

1718
01:29:21,213 --> 01:29:25,133
Speaker 26: so impressive to see the amount of young kids today

1719
01:29:25,213 --> 01:29:28,732
Speaker 26: playing sport. On one side of the stadium you've got

1720
01:29:28,933 --> 01:29:31,652
Speaker 26: the all the netball teams playing and in the larger

1721
01:29:31,772 --> 01:29:35,012
Speaker 26: area you might have around about six or seven games

1722
01:29:35,053 --> 01:29:37,612
Speaker 26: going on at them. The rest of all the courts

1723
01:29:37,692 --> 01:29:41,212
Speaker 26: they all four courts. So I reckon, you know, invest

1724
01:29:43,173 --> 01:29:47,013
Speaker 26: in multi purpose sports centers would be a big one. Like,

1725
01:29:47,372 --> 01:29:50,012
Speaker 26: I think you're wasting your time spending money on outdoor

1726
01:29:50,093 --> 01:29:54,972
Speaker 26: courts because basically basketball now it's kind of like cricket.

1727
01:29:55,133 --> 01:29:58,253
Speaker 26: It's not just a summer sport. It's sometimes it's used

1728
01:29:58,293 --> 01:30:02,293
Speaker 26: to be about all year round. So I'm all for Yeah, Hey,

1729
01:30:02,333 --> 01:30:03,812
Speaker 26: which one of you guys are from Dunedin?

1730
01:30:04,093 --> 01:30:07,053
Speaker 2: Me man he Man eighth?

1731
01:30:07,093 --> 01:30:09,612
Speaker 26: Which is your I know you guys were talking about

1732
01:30:11,213 --> 01:30:12,933
Speaker 26: duck shops and all that sort of stuff. Which was

1733
01:30:12,933 --> 01:30:14,892
Speaker 26: your favorite fresh ship shop from Dunedum?

1734
01:30:14,973 --> 01:30:17,893
Speaker 2: Oh, that's that's a great, great question. Probably I was

1735
01:30:17,933 --> 01:30:20,452
Speaker 2: into the me whar for a long time. You know

1736
01:30:20,772 --> 01:30:25,692
Speaker 2: the Mewha near a Lambra and also the Likely's takeaways

1737
01:30:25,732 --> 01:30:26,333
Speaker 2: remember Likely.

1738
01:30:27,572 --> 01:30:29,652
Speaker 26: Yeah, I'm I'm a pine hell boy, like my dad's

1739
01:30:29,652 --> 01:30:33,212
Speaker 26: struggle the big farm up the Cargo Yah the Northeast

1740
01:30:33,293 --> 01:30:36,333
Speaker 26: Valley onion sausages as the onion sausage people.

1741
01:30:36,452 --> 01:30:38,532
Speaker 2: People forget about the onion sausage. I've talked to people

1742
01:30:38,532 --> 01:30:40,732
Speaker 2: about it up here. It's so much better than a

1743
01:30:40,772 --> 01:30:42,213
Speaker 2: hot dog and it's is it?

1744
01:30:42,973 --> 01:30:45,173
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Oh my god.

1745
01:30:45,293 --> 01:30:46,852
Speaker 26: When we come to him the Cargo, I go to

1746
01:30:46,893 --> 01:30:49,053
Speaker 26: our fresh and chip shop, they never heard of an

1747
01:30:49,053 --> 01:30:52,133
Speaker 26: onion onion sausage. Whenever I go to his need the

1748
01:30:52,213 --> 01:30:57,052
Speaker 26: four Bree takeaways out there, and I always grabbed It's naughty,

1749
01:30:57,093 --> 01:30:59,053
Speaker 26: but I always grabbed three onion sausages and I'll eat

1750
01:30:59,053 --> 01:30:59,532
Speaker 26: them on the way.

1751
01:30:59,893 --> 01:31:01,973
Speaker 2: An onion sausage. Boy, I've never heard of it, haven't you.

1752
01:31:02,173 --> 01:31:05,173
Speaker 2: Is it only an onion sausage only in Dunedin? But yeah,

1753
01:31:05,173 --> 01:31:06,492
Speaker 2: because you can't get them up here. And an onion

1754
01:31:06,492 --> 01:31:08,492
Speaker 2: sausage dipped and sauces. About the thing. What about that?

1755
01:31:08,853 --> 01:31:10,692
Speaker 2: The chop sweet patty is another thing you only get

1756
01:31:10,732 --> 01:31:11,972
Speaker 2: in the Targo fish and chip shops.

1757
01:31:13,093 --> 01:31:14,532
Speaker 26: I know, I tell you what the rest of his

1758
01:31:14,652 --> 01:31:16,772
Speaker 26: yellon's missing that they need. And like the thing about

1759
01:31:16,772 --> 01:31:18,892
Speaker 26: it's not the butchers that make it, it's the fish

1760
01:31:18,933 --> 01:31:21,333
Speaker 26: and chip shop people that make it. What big long,

1761
01:31:21,612 --> 01:31:24,093
Speaker 26: square looking things and a real onion in it. Yeah,

1762
01:31:24,213 --> 01:31:27,253
Speaker 26: and like you know, half inch better and I mean more.

1763
01:31:30,093 --> 01:31:32,572
Speaker 2: Here a man after my own heart. I'm constantly bringing

1764
01:31:32,612 --> 01:31:33,692
Speaker 2: up the sausage.

1765
01:31:33,732 --> 01:31:34,412
Speaker 3: What the hell is it?

1766
01:31:34,692 --> 01:31:36,892
Speaker 2: It's just it's just it's like, it's not like, say,

1767
01:31:37,093 --> 01:31:38,412
Speaker 2: you will have a hot like a corn dog, a

1768
01:31:38,452 --> 01:31:40,333
Speaker 2: hot dog right with a stick in it. This doesn't

1769
01:31:40,372 --> 01:31:42,173
Speaker 2: have a stick in it. It's not made out of

1770
01:31:42,293 --> 01:31:45,133
Speaker 2: a SAVOLOI. It's made out of an onion sausage and

1771
01:31:45,652 --> 01:31:47,652
Speaker 2: it's got so much better in it, and you just

1772
01:31:48,333 --> 01:31:51,012
Speaker 2: soak it in tomato sauce and it is. It could

1773
01:31:51,053 --> 01:31:52,972
Speaker 2: be the most delicious thing on planet Earth.

1774
01:31:54,053 --> 01:31:56,012
Speaker 26: Oh, I tell you what, Like, visit the northeast Valley

1775
01:31:56,053 --> 01:31:56,892
Speaker 26: of Fourbury Takeaway.

1776
01:31:57,093 --> 01:31:57,732
Speaker 2: I'll check that out.

1777
01:31:57,732 --> 01:32:01,732
Speaker 26: Actually, Yeah, honestly, the four Breath and the wee Chinese

1778
01:32:01,772 --> 01:32:04,612
Speaker 26: couple have been there for not been there for good

1779
01:32:04,652 --> 01:32:06,972
Speaker 26: forty years. I remember them as a kid just out

1780
01:32:07,013 --> 01:32:11,612
Speaker 26: by Saint Clearway. And I tell you what, I speak. Yeah,

1781
01:32:12,893 --> 01:32:14,852
Speaker 26: I don't tell the wife because she tells me that

1782
01:32:14,933 --> 01:32:16,612
Speaker 26: to you know, watch my onion sausage.

1783
01:32:18,372 --> 01:32:18,772
Speaker 9: What is it?

1784
01:32:18,933 --> 01:32:18,973
Speaker 17: What?

1785
01:32:19,133 --> 01:32:22,213
Speaker 2: There's something that goes on because the cheese roll, the

1786
01:32:22,492 --> 01:32:26,133
Speaker 2: chop sewey paddy and the onion sausage don't make it

1787
01:32:26,293 --> 01:32:29,893
Speaker 2: pass Timaru. They don't. They don't go past Timrou.

1788
01:32:29,893 --> 01:32:31,173
Speaker 3: And they should. I don't know why.

1789
01:32:31,333 --> 01:32:33,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody sound like, you know there's an American shop

1790
01:32:33,772 --> 01:32:37,572
Speaker 2: in Auckland. They need to open a lower South Island shop.

1791
01:32:39,093 --> 01:32:41,012
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred that was a good chat about the onions.

1792
01:32:41,093 --> 01:32:42,133
Speaker 2: I could go deep into that.

1793
01:32:42,253 --> 01:32:44,333
Speaker 3: We better bring it back to Basketballah, that's.

1794
01:32:44,213 --> 01:32:47,173
Speaker 2: Right, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Basketball is about

1795
01:32:47,213 --> 01:32:49,053
Speaker 2: to be the most played sport in New Zealand. Do

1796
01:32:49,093 --> 01:32:52,852
Speaker 2: we need to divert money from traditional sports to the

1797
01:32:52,933 --> 01:32:53,892
Speaker 2: orange bouncy ball?

1798
01:32:54,372 --> 01:32:56,172
Speaker 3: It is twenty three past three.

1799
01:32:59,732 --> 01:33:03,372
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1800
01:33:03,452 --> 01:33:05,052
Speaker 1: ten eighty on Youth Talk ZV.

1801
01:33:05,412 --> 01:33:08,133
Speaker 3: We're talking about the rise of basketball in school and

1802
01:33:08,412 --> 01:33:12,012
Speaker 3: we are. It appears five hundred court short basketball courts

1803
01:33:12,053 --> 01:33:15,452
Speaker 3: to support the growing popularity popularity that is from school

1804
01:33:15,492 --> 01:33:18,612
Speaker 3: sport in z CEO Mike Smarel here to chat with

1805
01:33:18,692 --> 01:33:19,773
Speaker 3: Mike Hosking.

1806
01:33:19,692 --> 01:33:22,492
Speaker 2: And supplementary topic, does attag on south and have the

1807
01:33:22,532 --> 01:33:23,412
Speaker 2: best food in the country?

1808
01:33:23,652 --> 01:33:23,812
Speaker 13: Man?

1809
01:33:23,973 --> 01:33:28,253
Speaker 3: The techs coming through? About the onion sausages? Yeah, one

1810
01:33:28,333 --> 01:33:29,772
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty if you know where to

1811
01:33:29,812 --> 01:33:33,052
Speaker 3: find an onion sausage in Auckland. Matt's all ears. But Bob,

1812
01:33:33,093 --> 01:33:34,372
Speaker 3: you want to talk about head injuries.

1813
01:33:36,093 --> 01:33:36,213
Speaker 18: Uh?

1814
01:33:36,452 --> 01:33:39,612
Speaker 25: Yeah, Well I've been predicting, look for the last fifteen

1815
01:33:39,732 --> 01:33:43,692
Speaker 25: years that basketball was going to be the lead sport

1816
01:33:44,253 --> 01:33:49,972
Speaker 25: in New Zealand, simply because all the parents are directing

1817
01:33:50,053 --> 01:33:53,093
Speaker 25: their kids to play a sport that's a lot safer

1818
01:33:53,213 --> 01:33:56,333
Speaker 25: them playing rugby. It's inevitable.

1819
01:33:56,853 --> 01:33:59,572
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I had a son and I wanted him

1820
01:33:59,572 --> 01:34:02,452
Speaker 2: to play rugby, but his mum wasn't keen on that.

1821
01:34:02,612 --> 01:34:06,732
Speaker 2: But also his granddad, Papa John, he was, I played rugby.

1822
01:34:06,812 --> 01:34:10,012
Speaker 2: He played rugby for a long long time for the police,

1823
01:34:10,372 --> 01:34:13,213
Speaker 2: and he was I don't want my son playing rugby.

1824
01:34:13,293 --> 01:34:15,973
Speaker 2: So there's it's not it's not just appearents. It's generational

1825
01:34:16,093 --> 01:34:19,093
Speaker 2: push against rugby. And I'm not I'm not sure if

1826
01:34:19,133 --> 01:34:21,572
Speaker 2: I argued that that they're not going to get too

1827
01:34:21,572 --> 01:34:23,732
Speaker 2: many head injuries at a young age. But that is

1828
01:34:23,772 --> 01:34:25,813
Speaker 2: definitely a consideration for parents.

1829
01:34:25,973 --> 01:34:31,253
Speaker 25: Bob, It's a big one. Now, I've got two friends

1830
01:34:31,372 --> 01:34:37,852
Speaker 25: in the USA that they are the teenagers, and both

1831
01:34:37,893 --> 01:34:43,093
Speaker 25: of them have suffered bad head injuries and it's life

1832
01:34:43,173 --> 01:34:44,293
Speaker 25: threatening stuff. Yeah.

1833
01:34:45,253 --> 01:34:48,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, Although I Will says, as a person that played

1834
01:34:48,013 --> 01:34:51,572
Speaker 2: a lot of basketball when I was younger, the bus,

1835
01:34:51,772 --> 01:34:54,092
Speaker 2: the ball to your face, the ball to your nose,

1836
01:34:54,452 --> 01:34:55,772
Speaker 2: is that hurts?

1837
01:34:55,812 --> 01:34:56,012
Speaker 9: Man?

1838
01:34:56,133 --> 01:34:58,812
Speaker 2: That is that is one of the most painful things

1839
01:34:58,853 --> 01:35:01,293
Speaker 2: that's ever happened to me in the sports. It happened.

1840
01:35:01,572 --> 01:35:03,572
Speaker 2: Happened a few times, specially for the for a shorter

1841
01:35:03,652 --> 01:35:05,372
Speaker 2: guy under.

1842
01:35:05,213 --> 01:35:09,412
Speaker 3: The hope one hundred and eight, the number to call

1843
01:35:10,093 --> 01:35:14,293
Speaker 3: quick text to the break, get a guys, divert money

1844
01:35:14,572 --> 01:35:17,333
Speaker 3: from where well, we mentioned before, there is money that

1845
01:35:17,452 --> 01:35:20,372
Speaker 3: goes to the lanes of rugby, to hockey, to tennis,

1846
01:35:20,452 --> 01:35:23,013
Speaker 3: the tennis courts. And we know it's controversial, that's why

1847
01:35:23,013 --> 01:35:25,133
Speaker 3: we're having this conversation. But if that's what the kids

1848
01:35:25,173 --> 01:35:27,133
Speaker 3: want to play, doesn't it make sense to build the

1849
01:35:27,173 --> 01:35:28,532
Speaker 3: infrastructure for those sports.

1850
01:35:28,933 --> 01:35:29,133
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1851
01:35:29,253 --> 01:35:34,652
Speaker 2: I mean, the great thing about rugby and football is

1852
01:35:34,933 --> 01:35:39,652
Speaker 2: that the facilities are essentially a patch of grass and

1853
01:35:39,853 --> 01:35:40,412
Speaker 2: some posts.

1854
01:35:40,652 --> 01:35:40,852
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1855
01:35:41,173 --> 01:35:45,492
Speaker 2: So, whereas basketball generally speaks speaking needs to be indoors,

1856
01:35:45,853 --> 01:35:47,973
Speaker 2: I mean netball. It's great to be played out on

1857
01:35:48,013 --> 01:35:51,572
Speaker 2: the asphalt because you don't bounce the ball, but basketball

1858
01:35:51,612 --> 01:35:54,092
Speaker 2: is a very difficult sport to play in puddles.

1859
01:35:54,372 --> 01:35:56,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty

1860
01:35:56,812 --> 01:35:58,852
Speaker 3: is a number to call. It is twenty eight past three.

1861
01:36:00,973 --> 01:36:05,172
Speaker 13: JU talks headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

1862
01:36:05,213 --> 01:36:08,213
Speaker 13: with a blue bubble. Our next police Commissioner will be

1863
01:36:08,612 --> 01:36:13,133
Speaker 13: Richard Chambers, replacing Andrew Costa. Chambers says leading an organization

1864
01:36:13,293 --> 01:36:15,893
Speaker 13: he's served with for nearly thirty years is one of

1865
01:36:15,933 --> 01:36:20,053
Speaker 13: the highlights of his life. COVID protest charges have been

1866
01:36:20,173 --> 01:36:23,492
Speaker 13: dropped against Destiny Churches Brian Tommocky, as well as his

1867
01:36:23,612 --> 01:36:27,932
Speaker 13: wife Hannah and two church members. Westpac New Zealand's chief

1868
01:36:28,013 --> 01:36:31,772
Speaker 13: executive has revealed she's one of four staff earning more

1869
01:36:31,812 --> 01:36:35,093
Speaker 13: than a million dollars a year. Katherine mcgrai has been

1870
01:36:35,213 --> 01:36:38,813
Speaker 13: questioned by MPs at the Finance and Expenditure Banking Inquiry.

1871
01:36:39,732 --> 01:36:43,012
Speaker 13: The chair of GP and Z says the government needs

1872
01:36:43,093 --> 01:36:46,452
Speaker 13: to keep its promise to support general practices with a

1873
01:36:46,532 --> 01:36:50,652
Speaker 13: survey showing patients field wait times are too long. New

1874
01:36:50,732 --> 01:36:55,213
Speaker 13: Zealand's estimated population has reached five point three million as

1875
01:36:55,293 --> 01:36:58,412
Speaker 13: of September this year, and there are twenty nine thousand

1876
01:36:58,492 --> 01:37:02,492
Speaker 13: more females than males. Their lives were bound by fraud

1877
01:37:02,612 --> 01:37:06,173
Speaker 13: case their fates by a sinking yacht. You can see

1878
01:37:06,173 --> 01:37:08,973
Speaker 13: the full story at Encient Herald Premium. Back to Matt

1879
01:37:09,093 --> 01:37:10,492
Speaker 13: Heath and Tyler Adams.

1880
01:37:10,213 --> 01:37:11,972
Speaker 3: Thank you, ray Lean twenty eight to four.

1881
01:37:12,492 --> 01:37:14,293
Speaker 2: Just we're talking about basketball and how it's about to

1882
01:37:14,333 --> 01:37:17,612
Speaker 2: become the most played sport in the country and what

1883
01:37:17,812 --> 01:37:20,093
Speaker 2: that means for traditional sports in the country eight hundred

1884
01:37:20,093 --> 01:37:22,492
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty. We're also talking about targo and

1885
01:37:22,532 --> 01:37:27,173
Speaker 2: Southern cuisine. Yeahhung in sausages, chop suey patties and look,

1886
01:37:27,213 --> 01:37:29,093
Speaker 2: someone's also come through with the cheese, a deep froid

1887
01:37:29,133 --> 01:37:32,372
Speaker 2: cheese roll. But Matt Heath remember the Goths social basketball

1888
01:37:32,412 --> 01:37:35,372
Speaker 2: team in the seventh form at Bogan Park with Chief

1889
01:37:35,412 --> 01:37:39,013
Speaker 2: Goth Caine Sullivan. Yes, I do, Caine Sullivan, What a

1890
01:37:39,053 --> 01:37:42,253
Speaker 2: great man he was. There was a so if people

1891
01:37:42,333 --> 01:37:44,133
Speaker 2: remember goth so, I guess they tended to Emos. It's

1892
01:37:44,133 --> 01:37:46,293
Speaker 2: probably still goths around, but yeah, he had a full

1893
01:37:46,732 --> 01:37:52,053
Speaker 2: full black suit and spiky Robert Smith here playing basketball. Yeah,

1894
01:37:52,133 --> 01:37:56,293
Speaker 2: I'm still still good mates with Caine. He's a great man.

1895
01:37:56,732 --> 01:37:59,212
Speaker 2: He flew over for my birthday, recently went to Queenstown.

1896
01:37:59,293 --> 01:38:01,812
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I mean this is a very personal chat.

1897
01:38:02,293 --> 01:38:04,412
Speaker 2: But yeah, the Goth team. The Goth team was kind

1898
01:38:04,452 --> 01:38:06,852
Speaker 2: of annoying because we took it a bit more seriously

1899
01:38:06,973 --> 01:38:08,772
Speaker 2: the other teams, and sometimes the Goth team when you

1900
01:38:08,812 --> 01:38:10,772
Speaker 2: were playing them, they just jump on the ground and

1901
01:38:10,933 --> 01:38:14,013
Speaker 2: line on their backs and just do weird stuff and

1902
01:38:14,053 --> 01:38:15,333
Speaker 2: we're like, come on, play seriously.

1903
01:38:15,572 --> 01:38:19,053
Speaker 3: Did you ever get beaten by the Goth team? Don't

1904
01:38:19,053 --> 01:38:23,652
Speaker 3: be silly, don't be silly, James, how are you this

1905
01:38:23,772 --> 01:38:24,293
Speaker 3: after due?

1906
01:38:25,093 --> 01:38:25,253
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1907
01:38:25,412 --> 01:38:27,173
Speaker 25: Good boys, Thank you very much for taking my call.

1908
01:38:27,492 --> 01:38:30,013
Speaker 25: I'm actually the first time hauler to the show. I

1909
01:38:30,173 --> 01:38:32,893
Speaker 25: kept it a couple of times, but basketball is a

1910
01:38:32,933 --> 01:38:36,492
Speaker 25: real passion of mine, and they actually have something to contribute.

1911
01:38:36,532 --> 01:38:36,772
Speaker 18: I think.

1912
01:38:36,973 --> 01:38:38,492
Speaker 2: Oh, well, thank you so much for calling for the

1913
01:38:38,532 --> 01:38:42,133
Speaker 2: first time. Welcome in, James, Yeah, thank you very much.

1914
01:38:42,333 --> 01:38:45,013
Speaker 25: But my son has just finished the year thirteen at

1915
01:38:45,612 --> 01:38:48,893
Speaker 25: a college here in the hut fairly, which for the

1916
01:38:48,973 --> 01:38:51,972
Speaker 25: past forty fifty years has had a very strong fat fifteen.

1917
01:38:53,093 --> 01:38:56,852
Speaker 25: And when my son two years ago, he played rugby

1918
01:38:56,933 --> 01:39:00,412
Speaker 25: since he was four, but two years ago he gave

1919
01:39:00,452 --> 01:39:04,532
Speaker 25: it up and walked away from it because basketball was

1920
01:39:04,572 --> 01:39:08,092
Speaker 25: on the rise, you know. And I think that's because

1921
01:39:08,133 --> 01:39:12,772
Speaker 25: I'm NBA m It's because guys like Steven Adams. It's

1922
01:39:12,853 --> 01:39:16,732
Speaker 25: because of our Warrington Saints team that have brought all

1923
01:39:16,772 --> 01:39:21,652
Speaker 25: these American imports and fash and showy styles of player

1924
01:39:21,772 --> 01:39:25,812
Speaker 25: into the country. And my young fellow and his mates,

1925
01:39:26,532 --> 01:39:31,732
Speaker 25: they all follow social media and NBA basketball and it's

1926
01:39:31,772 --> 01:39:35,333
Speaker 25: all about the money that they earn, the grits and

1927
01:39:35,412 --> 01:39:40,452
Speaker 25: the glamor that goes with basketball. And at his particular school,

1928
01:39:41,253 --> 01:39:45,852
Speaker 25: a lot more athletes who are very competent in other

1929
01:39:45,893 --> 01:39:49,093
Speaker 25: sports are starting to walk away from that field and

1930
01:39:49,293 --> 01:39:52,213
Speaker 25: go into the basketball arena. And you know a couple

1931
01:39:52,253 --> 01:39:54,492
Speaker 25: of reasons that. One of the reason why it please

1932
01:39:54,532 --> 01:39:56,692
Speaker 25: my son switched because I no longer have to stand

1933
01:39:56,732 --> 01:40:00,852
Speaker 25: on the body's sideline rain. And then when it was

1934
01:40:00,933 --> 01:40:02,812
Speaker 25: early in those early days and I haven't gone up

1935
01:40:02,853 --> 01:40:05,772
Speaker 25: early in the morning and the frost women winter days

1936
01:40:05,812 --> 01:40:12,253
Speaker 25: and standing on the side. Now my experience in some

1937
01:40:12,372 --> 01:40:18,572
Speaker 25: of the tournaments that he's been to where nationally the

1938
01:40:19,013 --> 01:40:23,852
Speaker 25: premises there are fantastic, And what I've noticed is that

1939
01:40:24,772 --> 01:40:29,533
Speaker 25: they're not privately owned. All of these basketball courts arenas

1940
01:40:29,772 --> 01:40:35,012
Speaker 25: and I'm talking eighteen twelve courts. They've come about because

1941
01:40:35,293 --> 01:40:41,253
Speaker 25: of either private sponsorship or all these places that are

1942
01:40:41,293 --> 01:40:46,612
Speaker 25: available to provide grants to build places like this. And

1943
01:40:47,933 --> 01:40:51,253
Speaker 25: our minister, really, our minister's sport really needs to look

1944
01:40:51,372 --> 01:40:54,812
Speaker 25: at the rise of basketball and his owns take it

1945
01:40:54,933 --> 01:40:59,012
Speaker 25: serious and they need to put more money into basketball.

1946
01:41:00,053 --> 01:41:03,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you talk about the weather. I mean, growing

1947
01:41:03,572 --> 01:41:05,893
Speaker 2: up in Daninas, I keep saying that I'm to be

1948
01:41:05,933 --> 01:41:10,492
Speaker 2: talking about myself a lot for a change, but sport

1949
01:41:10,612 --> 01:41:13,572
Speaker 2: was so often canceled and I'd be getting up and

1950
01:41:14,372 --> 01:41:17,133
Speaker 2: being so upset that sport was canceled. But when I

1951
01:41:17,213 --> 01:41:21,053
Speaker 2: started playing basketball, basketball is never canceled. So if you're

1952
01:41:21,133 --> 01:41:24,213
Speaker 2: into your game, you are going to play it every week.

1953
01:41:24,293 --> 01:41:26,652
Speaker 2: And when we played on a Friday, it was you know,

1954
01:41:26,772 --> 01:41:29,053
Speaker 2: your sport was done for the weekend and it was

1955
01:41:29,133 --> 01:41:30,932
Speaker 2: definitely going to be on and that that's a huge

1956
01:41:30,973 --> 01:41:33,812
Speaker 2: thing in a country like New Zealand, which let's be honest.

1957
01:41:34,013 --> 01:41:36,173
Speaker 3: It rains a bit, it gets a bit wet, James,

1958
01:41:37,053 --> 01:41:39,732
Speaker 3: it put me done. I suppose what I'm thinking as

1959
01:41:39,772 --> 01:41:43,213
Speaker 3: I'm thinking this through. The progression in rugby is pretty

1960
01:41:43,253 --> 01:41:45,372
Speaker 3: clear cut, right, is that if you're good at rugby

1961
01:41:45,412 --> 01:41:48,012
Speaker 3: at high school, then you move into the NPC level hopefully,

1962
01:41:48,133 --> 01:41:50,452
Speaker 3: then you move into Super then hopefully you become an

1963
01:41:50,452 --> 01:41:53,333
Speaker 3: All Black. That progression in basketball in New Zealand there's

1964
01:41:53,333 --> 01:41:56,252
Speaker 3: a lot different. Steven Adams is a bit of an anomaly,

1965
01:41:56,412 --> 01:41:58,173
Speaker 3: isn't he That he got to the NBA. But he

1966
01:41:58,253 --> 01:42:01,572
Speaker 3: got there through being spotted by a talent scout. I

1967
01:42:01,732 --> 01:42:05,253
Speaker 3: imagine someone saw some potential in them. But his journey

1968
01:42:05,333 --> 01:42:08,772
Speaker 3: there is a lot harder than it would be for

1969
01:42:08,853 --> 01:42:11,412
Speaker 3: someone playing rugby if they've got talent to progress through

1970
01:42:11,412 --> 01:42:12,372
Speaker 3: to the international level.

1971
01:42:13,532 --> 01:42:15,532
Speaker 25: Yeah. I've got two responses that. The first one and

1972
01:42:15,612 --> 01:42:18,253
Speaker 25: one of your previous cause touched on it are the injuries.

1973
01:42:18,293 --> 01:42:21,933
Speaker 25: That's school evil. If you get injured, the support is

1974
01:42:21,973 --> 01:42:26,772
Speaker 25: from your family, you know, whereas if you're a professional athlete,

1975
01:42:27,173 --> 01:42:31,293
Speaker 25: you've got everything at the fingertips available to you. In

1976
01:42:31,412 --> 01:42:34,333
Speaker 25: my son's case, yeah, he was six foot seven two

1977
01:42:34,412 --> 01:42:39,932
Speaker 25: years ago, so now and he got bad in rugby.

1978
01:42:40,732 --> 01:42:43,012
Speaker 25: And you know when you can tell when your child

1979
01:42:43,732 --> 01:42:46,732
Speaker 25: when they get hurt, they shrugged off when they start

1980
01:42:46,812 --> 01:42:51,213
Speaker 25: trying and tell it really hurts. And that was my

1981
01:42:51,372 --> 01:42:52,852
Speaker 25: one day he just came to and said, no, Dad,

1982
01:42:53,053 --> 01:42:56,732
Speaker 25: I don't think i've anymore. But the second thing is,

1983
01:42:58,173 --> 01:43:01,492
Speaker 25: like I said earlier, it's as a result of his

1984
01:43:01,612 --> 01:43:04,652
Speaker 25: guys like Stephen Adams and the NBA basketball which is

1985
01:43:05,412 --> 01:43:08,173
Speaker 25: followed by millions of people, and the young guys see

1986
01:43:08,452 --> 01:43:10,612
Speaker 25: cheap at fighting and if I can make it in

1987
01:43:10,652 --> 01:43:13,452
Speaker 25: that grade, then there's a potential there to make a

1988
01:43:13,532 --> 01:43:18,092
Speaker 25: living for themselves and for their families and extended families.

1989
01:43:18,652 --> 01:43:22,133
Speaker 25: And the first thing is that having been with my

1990
01:43:22,213 --> 01:43:25,333
Speaker 25: son to various tournaments around New Zealand, they're well organized.

1991
01:43:26,053 --> 01:43:27,852
Speaker 25: I think the last one we went to in Towanna,

1992
01:43:28,772 --> 01:43:32,372
Speaker 25: I don't mind saying Super Nation, a huge tournament and

1993
01:43:32,732 --> 01:43:34,333
Speaker 25: over twelve hundred boys and girls.

1994
01:43:35,893 --> 01:43:39,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean those people that organize those things across

1995
01:43:39,973 --> 01:43:41,932
Speaker 2: all sports are are the best of us in New Zealand.

1996
01:43:42,013 --> 01:43:44,532
Speaker 2: People that go through to organize those things. But yeah,

1997
01:43:44,853 --> 01:43:47,892
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your call, James, call anytime

1998
01:43:48,333 --> 01:43:51,093
Speaker 2: and look after the break I'd like to come back

1999
01:43:51,133 --> 01:43:53,532
Speaker 2: with a complaint I have about rugby and New Zealand.

2000
01:43:54,293 --> 01:43:57,532
Speaker 2: And look, I'm a huge supporter of the support of

2001
01:43:58,772 --> 01:44:00,933
Speaker 2: a supporter of the support. What I meant was a

2002
01:44:00,973 --> 01:44:04,452
Speaker 2: supporter of the sport. But I have a complaint about

2003
01:44:04,492 --> 01:44:07,732
Speaker 2: how it is, how it's perceived for young people in

2004
01:44:07,772 --> 01:44:08,213
Speaker 2: this country.

2005
01:44:08,492 --> 01:44:10,213
Speaker 3: Is going to be good. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

2006
01:44:10,253 --> 01:44:11,812
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. It's twenty one to.

2007
01:44:11,812 --> 01:44:17,492
Speaker 1: Four your new home of afternoon Tour, Taylor Adams Afternoon Call.

2008
01:44:17,652 --> 01:44:20,053
Speaker 4: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty News talk Z.

2009
01:44:21,013 --> 01:44:23,692
Speaker 2: We're talking about basketball in New Zealand. It's about to

2010
01:44:23,732 --> 01:44:26,532
Speaker 2: become the most played sport in the country. But apparently

2011
01:44:26,572 --> 01:44:30,293
Speaker 2: we're five hundred courts short. I was thinking, we've been

2012
01:44:30,372 --> 01:44:35,173
Speaker 2: caught short court short, five hundred basketball courts. Yeah, nice, wow,

2013
01:44:35,452 --> 01:44:37,372
Speaker 2: thank you. I stole that from a texta on nine

2014
01:44:37,412 --> 01:44:40,093
Speaker 2: two nine two. But I was saying about one thing

2015
01:44:40,133 --> 01:44:42,013
Speaker 2: I was thinking about rugby in this country. And you

2016
01:44:42,093 --> 01:44:46,212
Speaker 2: were talking before about the path first fifteen into MPC

2017
01:44:46,853 --> 01:44:49,013
Speaker 2: Super rugby. That's your path. But I was thinking that

2018
01:44:49,133 --> 01:44:50,812
Speaker 2: was kind of that's kind of the problem that we're

2019
01:44:50,853 --> 01:44:53,293
Speaker 2: looking at rugby like a path rather than a sport.

2020
01:44:53,732 --> 01:44:55,612
Speaker 2: And you know, back in the day there used to

2021
01:44:55,652 --> 01:44:59,492
Speaker 2: be multiple fifteens, so you didn't have to be It

2022
01:44:59,732 --> 01:45:01,452
Speaker 2: seems now that the focus is to be on the

2023
01:45:01,492 --> 01:45:04,213
Speaker 2: first fifteen and maybe rugby could go further. And if

2024
01:45:04,253 --> 01:45:06,293
Speaker 2: it's not, then it's not at no point in bothering.

2025
01:45:06,812 --> 01:45:09,612
Speaker 2: But basketball is very much thought of in a different

2026
01:45:09,612 --> 01:45:11,932
Speaker 2: way where you can be quite quite a number down.

2027
01:45:12,093 --> 01:45:14,732
Speaker 2: You can be a social basketball team. But you know,

2028
01:45:15,532 --> 01:45:18,532
Speaker 2: it's not about necessarily being the best. You know, you

2029
01:45:18,612 --> 01:45:21,293
Speaker 2: can have this more past. You might just play basketball.

2030
01:45:21,333 --> 01:45:24,093
Speaker 2: And part of that might be to do with something

2031
01:45:24,133 --> 01:45:26,333
Speaker 2: that as mentioned of this text on nineteen ninet two,

2032
01:45:26,333 --> 01:45:28,293
Speaker 2: Steven Adams is not a good model to look at

2033
01:45:28,372 --> 01:45:32,053
Speaker 2: becoming a sports star. The point is he's seven foot tall.

2034
01:45:32,093 --> 01:45:33,852
Speaker 2: Percentage of people in the world being that tall is

2035
01:45:34,333 --> 01:45:37,333
Speaker 2: if all is this textasy and that's true, so maybe

2036
01:45:37,372 --> 01:45:39,012
Speaker 2: that's part of it. I mean a lot of people

2037
01:45:39,013 --> 01:45:40,612
Speaker 2: that play basketball don't think that they're ever going to

2038
01:45:40,692 --> 01:45:42,492
Speaker 2: going to move forward in it, but they just love

2039
01:45:42,612 --> 01:45:45,893
Speaker 2: playing the sport. Yeah, and it is a sport that

2040
01:45:46,333 --> 01:45:48,933
Speaker 2: leans itself towards that. I just think the mindset and

2041
01:45:49,013 --> 01:45:51,572
Speaker 2: rugby is if you're not in the first fifteen, there's

2042
01:45:51,612 --> 01:45:53,532
Speaker 2: not much point. If you're not going to get into

2043
01:45:53,572 --> 01:45:55,652
Speaker 2: the first fifteen, there's not much point. Whereas you know,

2044
01:45:55,812 --> 01:45:58,812
Speaker 2: my dad played for the third fifteen at the school

2045
01:45:58,853 --> 01:46:00,892
Speaker 2: and still talks about some of the great games.

2046
01:46:00,973 --> 01:46:01,093
Speaker 4: You know.

2047
01:46:01,412 --> 01:46:03,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, but do you think there might be talent the

2048
01:46:03,293 --> 01:46:06,052
Speaker 3: misses out that if they don't quite showcase their skills

2049
01:46:06,093 --> 01:46:08,053
Speaker 3: that say, by the fourth form or whatever you call

2050
01:46:08,133 --> 01:46:10,652
Speaker 3: that year now, and you're not in the first fifteen,

2051
01:46:10,732 --> 01:46:12,933
Speaker 3: then those kids give up. Where if they keeped at it,

2052
01:46:13,532 --> 01:46:15,933
Speaker 3: then that starts that talent starts to emerge and they

2053
01:46:15,973 --> 01:46:16,612
Speaker 3: can make a good goal.

2054
01:46:16,772 --> 01:46:18,972
Speaker 2: No, I'm meaning the exact opposite of that. It doesn't

2055
01:46:19,013 --> 01:46:25,012
Speaker 2: matter about talent. Matter it's about participation. So not everyone

2056
01:46:25,173 --> 01:46:27,372
Speaker 2: is going to be have a path to taking sport

2057
01:46:27,452 --> 01:46:30,092
Speaker 2: to the next level, and that's not really what it's about.

2058
01:46:30,293 --> 01:46:32,892
Speaker 2: You want as many people playing sport as you possibly can.

2059
01:46:33,293 --> 01:46:36,973
Speaker 2: And for rugby, if you've played rugby at school or

2060
01:46:37,253 --> 01:46:39,213
Speaker 2: at any point in your life, then you're going to

2061
01:46:39,293 --> 01:46:42,412
Speaker 2: enjoy watching it a lot more than people that haven't. Yeah, arguably,

2062
01:46:43,133 --> 01:46:46,372
Speaker 2: but I think that that participation should be the main

2063
01:46:46,452 --> 01:46:48,852
Speaker 2: aim of the game and of course there is touch

2064
01:46:48,933 --> 01:46:50,772
Speaker 2: rugby as well, which is doing a lot in that area.

2065
01:46:50,893 --> 01:46:53,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good argument, Linley. How are you this afternoon?

2066
01:46:54,572 --> 01:46:55,053
Speaker 7: Good? Think?

2067
01:46:55,213 --> 01:46:55,852
Speaker 27: How are you guys?

2068
01:46:56,133 --> 01:46:58,053
Speaker 3: Very good? Now you're calling from christ Juts and you

2069
01:46:58,133 --> 01:47:00,293
Speaker 3: don't think there's enough courts for netball?

2070
01:47:01,372 --> 01:47:02,053
Speaker 25: No there's not.

2071
01:47:02,173 --> 01:47:07,333
Speaker 27: There's nowhere there enough courts for netball. So I'm pretty

2072
01:47:07,333 --> 01:47:11,652
Speaker 27: heavily involved. Run a local club here in Hornby and

2073
01:47:13,772 --> 01:47:17,572
Speaker 27: we played Unders. We played in the Krushech Netball Center,

2074
01:47:18,133 --> 01:47:21,452
Speaker 27: who have been at Hadley for one hundred years and

2075
01:47:22,013 --> 01:47:25,532
Speaker 27: they have something like thirty four courts I think is

2076
01:47:25,572 --> 01:47:28,532
Speaker 27: what we had. We've now got the new building at

2077
01:47:28,572 --> 01:47:34,012
Speaker 27: Napunaway that's got ten so on a Saturday, on any

2078
01:47:34,093 --> 01:47:37,812
Speaker 27: given Saturday for the last hundred years or so, the

2079
01:47:38,372 --> 01:47:40,933
Speaker 27: amount of people that have gone through that place is

2080
01:47:40,973 --> 01:47:44,812
Speaker 27: six and a half thousand roughly. That's just players from

2081
01:47:45,013 --> 01:47:50,972
Speaker 27: year three right through to premiere one. So now we're

2082
01:47:51,013 --> 01:47:55,972
Speaker 27: having to play Monday to Saturday, spread all the grades

2083
01:47:56,133 --> 01:48:00,892
Speaker 27: out and there's still not enough court space. But there's

2084
01:48:01,532 --> 01:48:03,933
Speaker 27: Schools are great because they have their own gyms so

2085
01:48:04,093 --> 01:48:05,812
Speaker 27: they can all train in their gyms. But when it

2086
01:48:05,893 --> 01:48:09,372
Speaker 27: comes to clubs, trying to find somewhere to train. There

2087
01:48:09,532 --> 01:48:14,013
Speaker 27: is just not enough space. Much like basketball, there is

2088
01:48:14,093 --> 01:48:18,293
Speaker 27: not enough space. There are very few places here in

2089
01:48:19,013 --> 01:48:22,132
Speaker 27: christ Church that you can hire at a half reasonable

2090
01:48:22,213 --> 01:48:25,372
Speaker 27: cost that you can go and train in and then

2091
01:48:25,452 --> 01:48:29,732
Speaker 27: we go and play at Napunaway on Monday to Saturday.

2092
01:48:29,933 --> 01:48:32,293
Speaker 3: Well this is good, lily so, but what the argument

2093
01:48:32,333 --> 01:48:34,652
Speaker 3: you're making, and I think it's a fair argument, is

2094
01:48:34,732 --> 01:48:36,572
Speaker 3: that it's not just up to schools here to fund

2095
01:48:36,572 --> 01:48:40,213
Speaker 3: this or sporting bodies themselves. The councilors have a responsibility

2096
01:48:40,333 --> 01:48:41,773
Speaker 3: to invest in the right facilities.

2097
01:48:42,612 --> 01:48:45,133
Speaker 27: I don't know where the money is supposed to come from.

2098
01:48:46,013 --> 01:48:48,812
Speaker 27: That I can't tell you. It's really difficult, and I

2099
01:48:48,973 --> 01:48:51,732
Speaker 27: understand that. Just to put a little perspective and things.

2100
01:48:52,093 --> 01:48:55,972
Speaker 27: For our club this last year that had sixteen teams,

2101
01:48:56,452 --> 01:49:00,173
Speaker 27: it costs as close to twelve thousand just to play.

2102
01:49:01,013 --> 01:49:01,213
Speaker 19: Wow.

2103
01:49:03,093 --> 01:49:05,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so the last thing you want is a

2104
01:49:05,732 --> 01:49:08,293
Speaker 2: basketball encroaching on netty space.

2105
01:49:08,812 --> 01:49:12,972
Speaker 27: And then we paid another five thousand, six hundred to play.

2106
01:49:13,612 --> 01:49:17,253
Speaker 27: So the twelve thousand of the subs the five to

2107
01:49:17,333 --> 01:49:21,732
Speaker 27: six is to play because the court space is hired,

2108
01:49:22,173 --> 01:49:23,812
Speaker 27: so they have to hire it up because the building

2109
01:49:24,013 --> 01:49:27,492
Speaker 27: the new facility at Napunaa has to make a profit

2110
01:49:27,772 --> 01:49:29,932
Speaker 27: where they have to be able to cover their costs.

2111
01:49:30,412 --> 01:49:33,852
Speaker 27: And it's just it's across the board, like rugby all

2112
01:49:33,973 --> 01:49:37,333
Speaker 27: these years, rugby has gotten so much money it's not

2113
01:49:37,492 --> 01:49:40,093
Speaker 27: even funny. And the likes of the leaser sports, and

2114
01:49:40,532 --> 01:49:43,213
Speaker 27: I'm talking about a female sport, and I know basketball

2115
01:49:43,293 --> 01:49:46,772
Speaker 27: is both female and male, but specifically, if you're going

2116
01:49:46,812 --> 01:49:50,213
Speaker 27: to line them all up, you've got hockey and you've

2117
01:49:50,253 --> 01:49:52,652
Speaker 27: got football, and you've got cricket, and do you know,

2118
01:49:52,853 --> 01:49:56,173
Speaker 27: like so there's just cricket's great because you can play

2119
01:49:56,173 --> 01:50:00,612
Speaker 27: it on a grass paddock anywhere or a grass field. Hockey,

2120
01:50:00,692 --> 01:50:03,333
Speaker 27: You've still got to have two. And there's two, you know,

2121
01:50:03,492 --> 01:50:07,372
Speaker 27: Like there's the at Napunai, there's the hockey things there,

2122
01:50:07,492 --> 01:50:11,732
Speaker 27: there's the ones I over is it Brunswick Park somewhere

2123
01:50:11,812 --> 01:50:17,372
Speaker 27: over that general direction just on the whole there's not

2124
01:50:17,612 --> 01:50:19,972
Speaker 27: enough space to be able to do all the sports

2125
01:50:20,053 --> 01:50:24,452
Speaker 27: things that we want to do to help our children out.

2126
01:50:24,492 --> 01:50:26,772
Speaker 27: Do you know, like keeping kids in sports an amount

2127
01:50:26,772 --> 01:50:29,973
Speaker 27: of trouble. We know that, and you know, and so

2128
01:50:30,213 --> 01:50:32,652
Speaker 27: like I'm a great believer of that kind of thing,

2129
01:50:32,732 --> 01:50:35,012
Speaker 27: and I want to be able to help. But next year,

2130
01:50:35,893 --> 01:50:39,133
Speaker 27: like I'm seriously looking at, we don't have Our club

2131
01:50:39,412 --> 01:50:42,053
Speaker 27: has not got I've got the local high school for

2132
01:50:42,293 --> 01:50:44,892
Speaker 27: our juniors, but our seniors at the moment, I haven't

2133
01:50:44,933 --> 01:50:45,732
Speaker 27: got anywhere to train.

2134
01:50:46,013 --> 01:50:48,492
Speaker 2: That is that is tragic. If there's kids that want

2135
01:50:48,532 --> 01:50:50,652
Speaker 2: to play sport and we're so worried that they're not

2136
01:50:50,692 --> 01:50:54,173
Speaker 2: getting getting off their asses and they're not getting off

2137
01:50:54,213 --> 01:50:57,772
Speaker 2: their social media and off their video games to play sport,

2138
01:50:57,893 --> 01:50:59,732
Speaker 2: and then there isn't a spot for them to do it,

2139
01:50:59,812 --> 01:51:02,652
Speaker 2: then I think that's a that's a tragedy for the

2140
01:51:02,692 --> 01:51:04,012
Speaker 2: country and for our young people.

2141
01:51:04,213 --> 01:51:09,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much, Linley. Eighty is but a call.

2142
01:51:09,532 --> 01:51:11,612
Speaker 3: We will take a few more calls very shortly.

2143
01:51:11,692 --> 01:51:16,732
Speaker 1: It is twelve to four, the big stories, the big issues,

2144
01:51:16,973 --> 01:51:20,093
Speaker 1: the big trends and everything in between. Mat Heath and

2145
01:51:20,253 --> 01:51:23,772
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty four used talk,

2146
01:51:23,853 --> 01:51:24,133
Speaker 1: said B.

2147
01:51:24,492 --> 01:51:24,772
Speaker 8: Said B.

2148
01:51:25,652 --> 01:51:26,333
Speaker 3: It's say to four.

2149
01:51:26,532 --> 01:51:28,612
Speaker 2: We're talking about basketball. It's about to become the most

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01:51:28,652 --> 01:51:31,213
Speaker 2: played sport in the country. Here's a text on nine

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01:51:31,253 --> 01:51:34,652
Speaker 2: two nine two unpatriotic kiwis Rugby is our sport and

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01:51:34,772 --> 01:51:37,293
Speaker 2: kids will only miss out on great team culture by

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01:51:37,372 --> 01:51:40,173
Speaker 2: playing basketball. It's just another toxic sport with the kids

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01:51:40,253 --> 01:51:41,973
Speaker 2: that are good get more out of it than the

2155
01:51:42,053 --> 01:51:45,772
Speaker 2: ones that straggle. One of the great things about rugby

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01:51:46,093 --> 01:51:49,572
Speaker 2: is that there's all shapes and sizes that in that sport,

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01:51:50,053 --> 01:51:53,173
Speaker 2: and well, basketball, your point guard can be short, but

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01:51:53,293 --> 01:51:55,012
Speaker 2: as you get older, as I found, there's a guard

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01:51:55,093 --> 01:51:59,532
Speaker 2: that eventually my shortness was difficult to overcome. But you know,

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01:51:59,732 --> 01:52:01,412
Speaker 2: you can be a half back. You know you can

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01:52:01,452 --> 01:52:03,053
Speaker 2: be a first five, and you can be a lock,

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01:52:03,452 --> 01:52:04,933
Speaker 2: and you can be afford And that's one of the

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01:52:05,093 --> 01:52:07,692
Speaker 2: great egalitarian things about rugby and one of the reasons

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01:52:07,732 --> 01:52:10,932
Speaker 2: I absolutely love it. This other text on nine two

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01:52:11,053 --> 01:52:12,973
Speaker 2: nine two. Good thing about basketball You can play by

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01:52:12,973 --> 01:52:15,452
Speaker 2: yourself or one on one. Try playing rugby or cricket

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01:52:15,492 --> 01:52:17,932
Speaker 2: by yourself. That's exactly right. You can. And you can

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01:52:17,973 --> 01:52:20,052
Speaker 2: put a hoop in your in your in your driveway,

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01:52:20,612 --> 01:52:24,093
Speaker 2: and kids can be out there shooting hoops until late

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01:52:24,133 --> 01:52:28,093
Speaker 2: in the night until the neighbors get incredibly.

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01:52:27,213 --> 01:52:30,612
Speaker 3: Basin Nigel, how are you yeah?

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01:52:30,652 --> 01:52:32,732
Speaker 17: Good things? Good afternoon, Tyler and.

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01:52:32,853 --> 01:52:36,013
Speaker 3: Matt gooday, Now basketball, should we be investing in more

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01:52:36,133 --> 01:52:37,212
Speaker 3: courts for the youngsters.

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01:52:38,372 --> 01:52:43,412
Speaker 17: Well, it's not hard to swap between basketball and netball courts,

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01:52:43,492 --> 01:52:48,412
Speaker 17: is it, you know? Or is it netball court smaller

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01:52:48,492 --> 01:52:50,532
Speaker 17: or bigger than a basketball court. I don't know.

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01:52:50,973 --> 01:52:53,452
Speaker 2: Well the hoops, the hoops are quite different. You've got

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01:52:53,853 --> 01:52:56,972
Speaker 2: the netball hoops with no backboard and they're they're higher.

2180
01:52:57,732 --> 01:53:00,492
Speaker 2: But yeah, and also basketball. One of the great things

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01:53:00,492 --> 01:53:03,173
Speaker 2: about netble ball because it has been described as stuck

2182
01:53:03,213 --> 01:53:07,492
Speaker 2: in the mud basketball unfairly. But the great thing about

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01:53:07,532 --> 01:53:08,772
Speaker 2: netball is two.

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01:53:10,412 --> 01:53:11,732
Speaker 17: I like that term. Second.

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01:53:13,253 --> 01:53:15,372
Speaker 2: But the great thing about it is you can play

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01:53:15,572 --> 01:53:16,333
Speaker 2: in poor weather.

2187
01:53:16,652 --> 01:53:18,133
Speaker 3: You can you can play it, that's right.

2188
01:53:18,253 --> 01:53:20,172
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Basketball's no good in puddles.

2189
01:53:20,973 --> 01:53:23,093
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's right. Are yeah there mate?

2190
01:53:23,652 --> 01:53:24,972
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.

2191
01:53:25,253 --> 01:53:25,452
Speaker 21: Yeah.

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01:53:25,692 --> 01:53:28,812
Speaker 17: We went to the same high secondary school Underneden, but

2193
01:53:28,812 --> 01:53:32,772
Speaker 17: at different times. I was there when it initially opened. Yes,

2194
01:53:32,893 --> 01:53:35,852
Speaker 17: I was there from nineteen seventy four to seventy seven.

2195
01:53:35,933 --> 01:53:36,972
Speaker 17: What years were you there?

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01:53:37,253 --> 01:53:41,492
Speaker 2: I would have been about twenty years after you, I think,

2197
01:53:41,973 --> 01:53:43,213
Speaker 2: But so you would have been there when it was

2198
01:53:43,293 --> 01:53:45,732
Speaker 2: just opening, when you didn't didn't open a nineteen Yeah.

2199
01:53:46,692 --> 01:53:48,892
Speaker 2: I think it's coming up on its fiftieth anniversary this year.

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01:53:48,933 --> 01:53:49,492
Speaker 2: Bogan Park.

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01:53:50,452 --> 01:53:52,892
Speaker 17: Yeah, it was the share but they didn't have anything.

2202
01:53:52,933 --> 01:53:55,532
Speaker 17: They didn't have a fiftieth anniversary. I thought they would have,

2203
01:53:55,612 --> 01:53:58,452
Speaker 17: but it was only the third formers that year. Yeah, right,

2204
01:53:58,572 --> 01:54:01,652
Speaker 17: the fourth formers and above didn't come to seventy five.

2205
01:54:02,452 --> 01:54:02,612
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:54:02,772 --> 01:54:04,452
Speaker 2: When I was there, it was a much bigger school

2207
01:54:04,452 --> 01:54:07,172
Speaker 2: than it is now and we're basically in pre fabs,

2208
01:54:07,492 --> 01:54:11,333
Speaker 2: so interesting spot like a south facing sort of east facing.

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01:54:12,612 --> 01:54:14,772
Speaker 2: You were there in the legendary time when the Gideon

2210
01:54:14,853 --> 01:54:17,933
Speaker 2: Bible people came to Logan Park and then all the

2211
01:54:17,973 --> 01:54:19,772
Speaker 2: students took the Bibles up at the top field and

2212
01:54:19,772 --> 01:54:21,612
Speaker 2: set them on fire and started a scrub fire where

2213
01:54:21,612 --> 01:54:22,133
Speaker 2: you went there?

2214
01:54:22,253 --> 01:54:26,652
Speaker 17: Ye, no, no, no, there one scrub fires there. One

2215
01:54:27,133 --> 01:54:30,133
Speaker 17: grass fires up the bank away up the fields. But

2216
01:54:30,532 --> 01:54:33,772
Speaker 17: they were started was the scarded cigarette puts.

2217
01:54:34,253 --> 01:54:36,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot of smoking in the top

2218
01:54:36,373 --> 01:54:38,613
Speaker 2: field that It always cracked me up there. Where were

2219
01:54:38,733 --> 01:54:41,092
Speaker 2: you know? You mean, Nigel, We went to a school

2220
01:54:41,133 --> 01:54:43,013
Speaker 2: on Butt's Road that we'll always have that.

2221
01:54:43,413 --> 01:54:43,573
Speaker 15: Yeah.

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01:54:47,173 --> 01:54:49,213
Speaker 17: And who was the principal when you were there?

2223
01:54:49,772 --> 01:54:54,533
Speaker 2: Mister Crowdis And I don't know. Yeah, he was good

2224
01:54:54,613 --> 01:54:56,333
Speaker 2: and I was friends with the sun Bradley crowd Ess

2225
01:54:56,333 --> 01:54:58,012
Speaker 2: actually were were They were good people.

2226
01:54:58,413 --> 01:54:58,653
Speaker 11: R I P.

2227
01:54:58,812 --> 01:54:59,172
Speaker 2: Bradley.

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01:55:00,133 --> 01:55:03,493
Speaker 17: Hey, this was another thing. When's your father next hiring

2229
01:55:03,533 --> 01:55:07,653
Speaker 17: out the eggerscent planes around? I'd like to go and

2230
01:55:07,933 --> 01:55:08,213
Speaker 17: see that.

2231
01:55:08,772 --> 01:55:09,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, loving this chat.

2232
01:55:09,772 --> 01:55:12,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Egger Center and danned is fantastic. Yeah, you

2233
01:55:12,133 --> 01:55:13,772
Speaker 2: can hire it that. It's quite cheap for anything. It's

2234
01:55:13,812 --> 01:55:16,932
Speaker 2: great for basketball, it's great for gnetti indoor cricket.

2235
01:55:17,013 --> 01:55:17,173
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2236
01:55:17,253 --> 01:55:21,573
Speaker 2: And yeah, on a really quiet afternoon midweek, you might

2237
01:55:21,653 --> 01:55:24,653
Speaker 2: find my dad down there flying his model planes around.

2238
01:55:24,693 --> 01:55:25,653
Speaker 2: It's very cool.

2239
01:55:27,493 --> 01:55:29,772
Speaker 17: But you'll have to tell me when he's going to

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01:55:29,812 --> 01:55:31,213
Speaker 17: be there next. Is he going to be doing that

2241
01:55:31,333 --> 01:55:33,733
Speaker 17: before Christmas? Or I won't be after Christmas.

2242
01:55:33,853 --> 01:55:36,373
Speaker 2: I'll find out and I'll tell you. Nigel. Yeah, Nigel,

2243
01:55:36,812 --> 01:55:38,932
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your call. God, it's great

2244
01:55:38,933 --> 01:55:40,133
Speaker 2: to reminisce.

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01:55:39,893 --> 01:55:41,413
Speaker 3: Memory Lane for you today, isn't it.

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01:55:41,653 --> 01:55:41,812
Speaker 9: Yeah?

2247
01:55:41,893 --> 01:55:45,012
Speaker 2: Certainly has eating course, the onion sausage, the chop sewey

2248
01:55:45,133 --> 01:55:47,373
Speaker 2: Patty and the Edgercenter for me for the joy.

2249
01:55:47,533 --> 01:55:49,852
Speaker 3: Now before we go, there's a texta asking how your

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01:55:49,893 --> 01:55:51,413
Speaker 3: Intimitte fasting is going.

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01:55:51,533 --> 01:55:53,333
Speaker 2: You were talking about it yesterday. So I didn't eat

2252
01:55:53,413 --> 01:55:55,772
Speaker 2: from seven till lunch today and I tell you what,

2253
01:55:55,853 --> 01:55:57,653
Speaker 2: I didn't even miss the breakfast at all, so I've

2254
01:55:57,693 --> 01:56:00,053
Speaker 2: started my inter minute fasting. I haven't weighed myself in yet,

2255
01:56:00,093 --> 01:56:01,772
Speaker 2: but I'll keep you up to date. Thanks for asking.

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01:56:02,373 --> 01:56:05,053
Speaker 3: You're feeling good, good moods. I'm feeling good.

2257
01:56:05,213 --> 01:56:07,212
Speaker 2: It must been a mood that I was in yesterday.

2258
01:56:07,493 --> 01:56:09,812
Speaker 2: And I had a fan testic show today, lots of

2259
01:56:09,853 --> 01:56:12,413
Speaker 2: chat about nuclear energy. We've got our podcast coming out

2260
01:56:12,493 --> 01:56:14,533
Speaker 2: in about forty five minutes if you missed any of

2261
01:56:14,573 --> 01:56:17,493
Speaker 2: it wherever you get your podcasts, yep. But anyway, thank

2262
01:56:17,573 --> 01:56:19,772
Speaker 2: you you great New Zealanders for listening for the show,

2263
01:56:19,893 --> 01:56:22,093
Speaker 2: and we'll be back tomorrow. Till then, give them a

2264
01:56:22,093 --> 01:56:23,053
Speaker 2: taste of keawe from us.

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01:56:23,253 --> 01:56:26,972
Speaker 3: See you then, and my mastery prom it bring it back,

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01:56:27,133 --> 01:56:28,133
Speaker 3: Job bringing.

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01:56:27,973 --> 01:56:39,693
Speaker 4: Back, Job, bringing back. We go for more from News

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01:56:39,772 --> 01:56:40,293
Speaker 4: Talk sed B.

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01:56:40,613 --> 01:56:43,812
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01:56:43,853 --> 01:56:47,173
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