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Speaker 1: Fourteen away from seven and Indo Brady as our UK

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Speaker 1: correspondent this evening.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Inda, Hey Heather, great to speak to you again.

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Speaker 1: So did Ki Stama interrupt a family holiday to go

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Speaker 1: over to Washington.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he did so. This is the second consecutive summer

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Speaker 2: that the Starmars have had their family holiday interrupted because

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Speaker 2: a year ago it was the aftermath of the Southport

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Speaker 2: stabbings and all those riots across the UK. This time

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Speaker 2: he has left the family in Scotland and gone to Washington.

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Speaker 2: That is how important he felt it was that the

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Speaker 2: UK be in the room or in the room next

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Speaker 2: door while Zelensky was meeting Trump. This has been a huge,

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Speaker 2: huge meeting last night. But I think there's still a

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Speaker 2: lot of concern in European capitals that Putin categorically cannot

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Speaker 2: be trusted. So we're talking and hearing about you know,

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Speaker 2: America providing a security guarantee for Ukraine. Putin is not

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Speaker 2: going to accept foreign boots on Ukrainian soil to keep

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Speaker 2: back Russian forces. So let's see what happens next. But

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Speaker 2: I guess the next step will be a meeting a

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Speaker 2: trilateral between Putin, Trump and Zelenski.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what is it. I mean, Putin's gonna have

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Speaker 1: to give some ground, though, isn't he. If he's asking

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Speaker 1: Zelenski to give up all that land, He's gonna have

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Speaker 1: to give up some stuff too. Both sides have to

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Speaker 1: give stuff up.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think what Putin will have to give up

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Speaker 2: is give up fighting. That will have to be an

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Speaker 2: immediate end to the war. But everyone in Europe, I

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Speaker 2: mean people in the Baltic nations of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania,

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Speaker 2: they're very, very nervous about what Putin does next. And

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Speaker 2: you know he's got this meat grinder mentality that he

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Speaker 2: will just push men. He will push them over the

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Speaker 2: front line and keep going inch by inch, week by week,

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Speaker 2: kilometer by kilometer, until he has the whole of Ukraine

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Speaker 2: and then what So it's fascinating that the show of

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Speaker 2: strength from Europe last night. I think we need to

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Speaker 2: really understand that all those European leaders, in the middle

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Speaker 2: of their summer holidays suddenly getting their act together and

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Speaker 2: being in that room next door monumental.

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Speaker 1: So do you not think this occurred to me today?

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Speaker 1: Do you not think that Putin has to settle this time?

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Speaker 1: Because what's happened is Trump has gone out, He's got

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Speaker 1: all of this media coverage. It's been just wall to

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Speaker 1: wall across the world. Right, So Trump a lot of

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Speaker 1: his reputation is pinned on this. If Putin DICKX him

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Speaker 1: over now, it will be humiliating for him. And then

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Speaker 1: surely he's incentivized. This is Trump, He's incentivized to come

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Speaker 1: after Putin and make life as hard as possible and

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Speaker 1: crush the economy. So does Putin now not have skin

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Speaker 1: in the game to actually settle.

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Speaker 2: It's a very good point. But look, I think what

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Speaker 2: Trump wants most of all is the Nobel Peace Prize.

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Speaker 2: We know that much. And if leaders were serious about

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Speaker 2: hurting Putin, how this could have been and should have

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Speaker 2: been done a long time ago was massive secondary sanctions

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Speaker 2: on people who are buying Russian oil and gas and

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Speaker 2: keeping the Russian economy going, and that is China and India.

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Speaker 2: And for whatever reason, people have not shown the willingness

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Speaker 2: to go after those two countries economically as well. Putin

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Speaker 2: feeling in Europe from speaking to European leaders, politicians, diplomats

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Speaker 2: for the last three and a half years, they do

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Speaker 2: not trust him, They cannot trust him, and even as

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Speaker 2: Zelenski was walking into the room, Russia was launching drawn

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Speaker 2: attacks on Ukrainian civilians last night. That's all we need

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Speaker 2: to know about what putin is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, explain something to me as the London bar

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Speaker 1: adding a four percent like a tep when you go

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Speaker 1: up to the bar to order the drinks or for

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Speaker 1: all drinks.

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Speaker 2: So it's all drinks. This is a pub that's brought

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Speaker 2: this in in Waterloo in London four percent. So you

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Speaker 2: go up, you buy your beer, wine or whatever, and

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Speaker 2: then you pay, or you go to tap with your phone.

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Speaker 2: They've already added the four percent and then the only

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Speaker 2: way you can get this off is if you object,

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Speaker 2: and then the member of staff has to then go

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Speaker 2: back into the transaction and remove the four percent. And look, okay,

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Speaker 2: it's not going to break anyone, but it's about sixty

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Speaker 2: cents on a pint of lager, and a lagger in

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Speaker 2: London these days is sixteen New Zealand dollars. So my

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Speaker 2: question is are we now stealthily heading towards an American style,

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Speaker 2: you know, bar economy, where we're tipping people for absolutely everything,

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Speaker 2: because normally you ask someone for a tip in a

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Speaker 2: pub in London, they'll give you the who's going to

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Speaker 2: win the next race at Lingfield? You know with the horses,

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Speaker 2: are we slowly inching our way towards America? Kind of

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Speaker 2: tipping absolutely everyone and yet people would say, oh, it's

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Speaker 2: only four percent and what they're doing it's very clever

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Speaker 2: because pubs in London are packed, it's busy. Do you

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Speaker 2: want to be the guy or the girl at the

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Speaker 2: bar going oh I object to that, take that off

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Speaker 2: and suddenly you got someone behind you saying come on, Paul,

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Speaker 2: hurry up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no one wants to be there, Dick, Hey, thank you, Inda,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. That's Into Brady, UK correspondent.

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