1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: And Barry Sober, Chief political Correspondence with US Hype Barry, 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Heather, and. 3 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 2: On Judith Collins. Yeah, it as surprised. 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: No, it wasn't a surprise. It wasn't a surprise. 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 2: We heard about it over dinner last night. 6 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: We were having dinner with somebody last night who will 7 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: remain nameless, and they accidentally said Judith Collins is going 8 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: to resign. And when I said, oh, really, they were like. 9 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 2: Look, sorry, she's been there a long time. Maybe maybe 10 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 2: not so Yeah, what a good job for her to 11 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: go to the President of the Law Commission. I think 12 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: that's great, you know, because it was held for a 13 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 2: number of years by Sir Jeffrey Palmer, who was very 14 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: much studious professorial head of the Commission. And I think 15 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: she'll bring maybe a bit of a human touch to 16 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: a bit more than what Sir Jeffrey did. But look, 17 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: I've always been fascinated by Judith Collins over the years, 18 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: because you know, when she's telling you a joke, she 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: raises her eyebrow, and I think the only reason she's 20 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: done that is that she can't borrow her brow. If 21 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: you get what I mean. I mean, are you suggesting Barry, 22 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: her facial movements are very limited. 23 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: As you suggesting, Barry that Judith was partial to the old. 24 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: Boat I could not say that at all heither, but. 25 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with a bit of boats in a woman's face. 26 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: She's in a man's face, fine looking woman, and she'll 27 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: be fine on the Law Commission Beatle. You remember when 28 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: she came to power in the National Party was a 29 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: tumultuous time in the party. Simon Bridges had been dumped 30 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 2: in favor of Todd Muller, who lasted fifty three days 31 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: before Judith picked up the cultural and ran the election 32 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: against Jitindaden in twenty twenty. She said, that's a low point, 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: and of course it will be because the Labor Party 34 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: went on to have unbridled power for the next three 35 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: years and look what happened there. So I wish that 36 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: Judith was maybe a bit more successful in twenty twenty 37 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: than what she was. But look, in her time in politics, 38 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: she held eighteen portfolios, and I've often thought her favorite portfolio, 39 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: and she maded it this afternoon. Her favorite one is defense, 40 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: and not for the reason. She admitted that she got 41 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 2: more money for defense finally because it was going to 42 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: happen probably anyway, But I reckon secretly she would have 43 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: liked to have been a field marshal or a rear admiral, 44 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: or she loved pushing around the big brass and defense. 45 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: But do you not think it is actually as simple 46 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: as you know, you look at the state of the 47 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: world and you realize that that is a portfolio that's 48 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: actually going to make a potentially a significant difference to 49 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: New Zealand spending on defense. 50 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: Why she liked the police as well, because the top 51 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: brass there are always good to you have been had 52 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: a look anyway. Even I got to mention at her 53 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: resignation press conference today for coming up with her nickname. 54 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: Have I listened when she was asked where it came from? 55 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 3: That very so I think he's confessed to it. 56 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: I've never used it, but I've never objected that people 57 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: used it, because there's no point in politics. As long 58 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: as they're calling you something, it's probably better than calling 59 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: you nothing. 60 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 3: So I've never worried about it. 61 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: I always they could send a message, so that was 62 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: quite good. And of course that was crusher and it 63 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: was when they legislated to have boy races. Cars crushed 64 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: Judith I believe only got to crush one standing over 65 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: it in her stiletto's and watching the boom come down 66 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: on some boy's pride and joy. So it was crusher. 67 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: It stuck with her and it gave her a really 68 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: hard image. But as we all know, those of us 69 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: who know Judith Goldin's quite well, she had another very sociable, 70 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: enjoyable and humorous side to it. 71 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: It sounds like Winston Peters's being difficult about the polls again. 72 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: Well, look I laughed when I saw the poll last night. 73 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: I thought, you know, Winston will be privately crowing on 74 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: in his office and the bee Hive and probably held 75 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: a party last night because you know, twelve percent he's 76 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: looking on. Sorry, he's about the same as the Green's 77 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: about ten percent in the aaron Z pole, but higher 78 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: than the other taxpayer union pole, so he will be crowing. 79 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: But look, even though he was climbing in opinion polls, 80 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: in recent opinion polls, Peters couldn't give a tinker's cuss 81 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 2: or so it seems about the rise and the polls 82 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: haven't listened to him talking to Ryan Bridge taking him 83 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,119 Speaker 2: to task basically for even asking him a question about 84 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: his latest bump in the polls. 85 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: Now, you were told before we came on this program 86 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 3: that I don't waste my time talking about unprofessional polls. 87 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 3: I'll tell you why. No one gives a professional dun 88 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 3: about telling people the truth, and so I'm not going 89 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: to engage with him in that context. I'm doing it 90 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 3: for the same reason that others had done in the past. 91 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 3: But I've got a political science degree and I've been 92 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: in Polis a long time, and I hate this inaccuracy. 93 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: Your third world behavior when it comes to polling. 94 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: Did you just say third world behavior? Yes, third world 95 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: They don't spend their money on the whole, they don't 96 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: have it. 97 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: Well, the issue here is you don't ask on someon 98 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: about poles, do you, Even though he's privately rejoicing no 99 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: doubt in the polls and if they translated onto election day, 100 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: he'd be more than happy make. 101 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: Sure he would. 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