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Speaker 1: Now here's a voice I've been looking forward to hearing again.

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Speaker 1: Ron Little, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm very well. Happy new year mate, and to you too.

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Speaker 1: Just let me I've got a series of holiday questions

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Speaker 1: that involves your country, that that I've been reading about.

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Speaker 1: But the wind Rossendell Jinrick as a how we wind?

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Speaker 1: Does it stop in our reform the real deal?

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Speaker 2: I don't think it does stop, or at least it

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Speaker 2: doesn't stop until reform shows signs of sagging, and they

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Speaker 2: are sagging a little in the poll set down from

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Speaker 2: thirty to twenty seven. But Rossendell is quite a capture.

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Speaker 2: He is not the same profile as Robert Jenrick, but

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Speaker 2: he is a sitting MP who represents Rodford, so it's

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Speaker 2: absolutely prime territory East end of London for a reform seat,

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Speaker 2: and he probably saw which way the wind was blowing.

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Speaker 2: But he's always been on that populist reform side of

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Speaker 2: the Conservative Party, so it's not a huge surprise. There

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Speaker 2: is some resistance, probably not to Rossendell, but probably to

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Speaker 2: Robert Jenrick and certainly to the rather oily Nadeem Zahawi

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Speaker 2: from Reform members. About twenty percent of them say look,

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Speaker 2: just stop all this. We've had enough tourris coming in.

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Speaker 2: This isn't going to be the Tory party mark too.

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Speaker 2: And you know, okay, generic's a big name, but Nadeem Zahawi,

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Speaker 2: who was in trouble for his financial dealings, you know,

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Speaker 2: we don't want any of that. That's the stuff we're

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Speaker 2: rebelling against.

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Speaker 1: So would that lead to no coalition arrangement deal whatever

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Speaker 1: between them and the Tories come election time.

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Speaker 2: Some people are saying that, but I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: I think that pragmatics will come into play in three

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Speaker 2: years time, which is a long way away of course,

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Speaker 2: and if it looks as if the Toys and Reform

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Speaker 2: can do some sort of casual deal in order to

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Speaker 2: ensure the maximum success on both sides, then they will

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Speaker 2: do it. And I don't think there's much doubt about that,

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Speaker 2: no matter what Kenny Baydeno might say. Now.

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Speaker 1: Other bits of holiday reading Government to water down business right,

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Speaker 1: rise for pubs, government polls, Hill's law amendment after becklash,

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Speaker 1: Government drops plans for mandatory digital ID to work in

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Speaker 1: the UK, headlined Starmer's thirteenth U turn. Does he have

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Speaker 1: a clue what he's doing?

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Speaker 2: No, not the remotest clue certainly not on domestic policy,

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Speaker 2: no idea whatsoever. There have been new turns after U turns,

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Speaker 2: after U turns, and also failures to implement laws which

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Speaker 2: are causing them problems all over the place, such as,

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Speaker 2: for example, the Supreme Court in April last year made

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Speaker 2: it absolutely clear that will it came to public spaces,

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Speaker 2: somebody's sex meant their sex, you know, none of his

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Speaker 2: gender nonsense. And the government still hasn't got to groups

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Speaker 2: without another tribunelw was ruled against the trends activist argument

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Speaker 2: on Friday, and yet the government is terrified of its

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Speaker 2: own left wing backbenchers who will object to all of this.

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Speaker 2: So there have been new turns and new turns. We

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Speaker 2: haven't yet seen a proper U turn on the pubs,

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Speaker 2: by the way, and that's it's a frightening one. You know,

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Speaker 2: pubs are already under the cosh, the smoking ban, hurd pubs,

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Speaker 2: COVID herd pubs, and the fact that you know, the

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Speaker 2: growth in no no alcoholic beers and so on has

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Speaker 2: really hurt the pubs as well. This this, this is

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Speaker 2: the final death nail.

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. Yet another headline I was reading

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Speaker 1: about the question was why does labor not like pubs?

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Speaker 1: And I thought that's a good question to ask, because

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Speaker 1: you know, working class all that stuff. What what is this?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't like the working class mine, It's never liked

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Speaker 2: the clubs, bang the working class. It despises what they like.

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Speaker 2: It despises their food, their culture, their their behavior. It

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Speaker 2: has no time for the whatsoever. It's now a party

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Speaker 2: of the public sector middle class.

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Speaker 1: So what happens over the next three years given, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is just my reading over the summer period, for

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Speaker 1: goodness sake, three years of this continues. Presumably starma doesn't

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Speaker 1: last the distance, or somebody wakes up and goes, we're

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Speaker 1: going for a loss at the election. How does it

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Speaker 1: all unfold?

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Speaker 2: Well, the sensible way to say it unfolds at the

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Speaker 2: moment is to say that reform becomes the government. But

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Speaker 2: there are things which Starmer has up his sleeves. The

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Speaker 2: economy is picking up a little bit, wages are picking

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Speaker 2: up a little bit. And what was meant to be

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Speaker 2: his kind of his execution moment, which was the May elections,

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Speaker 2: have been circumvented a little bit because he's managed to

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Speaker 2: persuade twenty five percent of local councils not to have

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Speaker 2: elections at all. So they banned local elections because they're

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Speaker 2: rearranging local government. It's shocking, It's genuine shocking, you know.

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Speaker 2: So that the trouble he will have got from having

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Speaker 2: lost hundreds and hundreds of seats isn't going to happen,

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Speaker 2: almost certainly because there are enough seats up for grabs now.

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Speaker 2: So I think he may well persist, well, persist, Sorry,

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Speaker 2: go on?

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Speaker 1: Does he have as I hid in wonder? I've written

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Speaker 1: one story this morning on c CNBC. They refer to

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Speaker 1: his magic, and he was going to roll out his

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Speaker 1: magic to quill Trump visa v. Greenland. Does he have

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Speaker 1: such magic?

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Speaker 2: No, he is the least magical person what the world

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Speaker 2: has ever seen. I think is probably the answer to that. However, however,

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Speaker 2: he has played a carry as up set you many

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Speaker 2: times before. He's played a Cannie line when dealing with Trump.

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Speaker 2: It may be two canny this time. You know that

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Speaker 2: the Europeans sent a whole bunch of people to a

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of service to the Antarctic, to the Arctic,

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Speaker 2: rather to Greenland to patrol and stay there as a

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Speaker 2: kind of presence and we've set one person, and in

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Speaker 2: his response to Trump's latest demands on Greenland, he has

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Speaker 2: been by far, by far the most equivocal of all

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Speaker 2: the European leaders. Now he's obviously anxious not to ruin

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Speaker 2: a relationship with the USA, but if we get cropped

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Speaker 2: by ten percent tariffs, which is what Trump is threatening,

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Speaker 2: that won't do it any good at all. Given that Trump,

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Speaker 2: it looks to me at the moment, I don't know

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Speaker 2: what you think, Mike, but it looks to me as

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Speaker 2: if NATO is dead in the water with all this

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Speaker 2: going on.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was going to ask for a prediction NATO,

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Speaker 1: so you say, did in the water? How does Greenland

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Speaker 1: get resolved? Is it an increased NATO presence? Is an

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Speaker 1: increased American prison? Do they sell it to America? What

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Speaker 1: do you reckon happens?

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Speaker 2: I don't think they sell it to America. I just

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Speaker 2: don't think that's going to happen. I still don't think

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Speaker 2: that Trump will send troops or try to take her.

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Speaker 2: So I think it remains as a sort of grouchy

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Speaker 2: impass with Denmark still in control of Greenland and NATO

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Speaker 2: basically aside from America supporting that rule. Of Greenland because

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Speaker 2: of course it is their country. And and you know,

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Speaker 2: don't forget there's only there's only two and a half

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Speaker 2: to three years left of Trump, and Greenland's lasted with

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Speaker 2: Denmark a lot longer than that.

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Speaker 1: Very good point. Always good to heavy on the program.

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