Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp
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Speaker 5: Well, a very good morning and welcome along to the
Speaker 5: Resident Builder on Sunday with me Peter wolf Camp, the
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Speaker 5: It might be the rules and regulations. It may well
Speaker 5: be some of the issues and challenges that come along
Speaker 5: as an inevitable part of building and construction. So it's
Speaker 5: all there on the table today. Eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 5: ten eighty is the number to call if you've got
Speaker 5: a building question, call us now. Quick rundown of the show.
Speaker 5: This morning, Jay Sharples, our razine painting expert, will join
Speaker 5: us for the first time this year. We had his
Speaker 5: colleague Bryce on the show a little while ago, so
Speaker 5: Jay I'll be with us at around seven twenty this morning.
Speaker 5: If you've got any specific painting questions and please text
Speaker 5: them through to nine to nine two, which is SAIDBZB
Speaker 5: on your mobile phone. A little later, we're going to
Speaker 5: catch up with Mark Haldane from Sweetwater Construction and just
Speaker 5: have a look at his use of tryboard and of
Speaker 5: Jnel's jayframe as well, so we're quick chat about that.
Speaker 5: As always, is available from eight point thirty this morning,
Speaker 5: so the lines are open. The number to call eight
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty ten eighty. I'll give you a bit
Speaker 5: of a rundown of what I've been up to as well,
Speaker 5: a week of I was going to say, contrasts in
Speaker 5: the sense that I went to a seminar. It's got
Speaker 5: to be at least ten years ago. It might even
Speaker 5: be a little bit longer than that, excuse me. And
Speaker 5: the one of the ideas that was introduced, and it
Speaker 5: was more a sort of general thing around housing, and
Speaker 5: it talked about the housing spectrum in the sense that
Speaker 5: often when we talk about house and we tend to
Speaker 5: get focused on the image that we sometimes have in
Speaker 5: our head, which is, you know, house New Zealand. I'll
Speaker 5: tell her it's a single dwelling on a piece of
Speaker 5: land with some space around it, with a packet fence
Speaker 5: at the at the front, et cetera. And our housing
Speaker 5: types are more varied than that, and our housing in
Speaker 5: terms of whether it's public owned, private owned, whether it's
Speaker 5: basically cheap or expensive, you know, low cost or extremely expensive.
Speaker 5: There is this spectrum and most of our housing sits
Speaker 5: somewhere in the middle, if you know, the old Bell
Speaker 5: curve from statistics at school. But there's housing on both
Speaker 5: extremes as well, So in that sense, I've I've in
Speaker 5: a way had an opportunity to have a look at
Speaker 5: both ends of that spectrum over the course of the week. Confusing,
Speaker 5: I know, but don't worry. Stick with us. I'll explain
Speaker 5: what I mean a bit later on this morning. But
Speaker 5: right now let's rip into it. The lines are open.
Speaker 5: The number to call eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Trust
Speaker 5: that you've had a good week and what have we
Speaker 5: got this week? Of course, couple of days of work
Speaker 5: and then white Tony Day on Thursday, and then back
Speaker 5: to work Friday, Yes, back to work Friday, and then
Speaker 5: another weekend ahead. So eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
Speaker 5: the number to call. And looking forward to having your
Speaker 5: calls and your conversation this morning. We're into it straight away.
Speaker 5: Rub good morning to you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, h Pete's ready here.
Speaker 7: Rung your cup God, rung you a couple of times
Speaker 7: regarding this issue.
Speaker 6: Last time just before Christmas.
Speaker 7: Just a reminder, we bought a show home with a
Speaker 7: half of our son.
Speaker 6: About seven years ago.
Speaker 7: Now, discovered about six months ago that paint was bubbling
Speaker 7: off a wall behind.
Speaker 6: It, on the opposite side of a shower. And then
Speaker 6: I'm sweet.
Speaker 7: Rang the builder went down there because it's a long
Speaker 7: way away from Auckland where we're living. Had just had
Speaker 7: discussions with him. His basic answer was, it's maintenance. You
Speaker 7: haven't maintained the grout, the tiles, the silicon, you know,
Speaker 7: not our problem. While he was while while I was
Speaker 7: down there, I discovered in the main bathroom a toadstool
Speaker 7: growing in the carpet and the carpet was soaking wet.
Speaker 6: So he had a look at that, and you know,
Speaker 6: same issue maintenance.
Speaker 7: Anyway, after months of discussions, we got no where. Went
Speaker 7: to the main franchise holder, the head office. They didn't
Speaker 7: want to get involved because as far as they were concerned,
Speaker 7: the builder didn't agree with anything we said.
Speaker 8: So I rang you before Christmas.
Speaker 7: You advised maybe getting a building surveyor, and so we
Speaker 7: went to our insurance company, which the builder wanted us
Speaker 7: to do, but we knew that wouldn't be covered because
Speaker 7: it's slow water damage which they don't cover. So we
Speaker 7: organized for our assessor to come in and have a
Speaker 7: look and organize the building surveyor to come in and
Speaker 7: have a look.
Speaker 6: They produced two reports.
Speaker 7: Stating that the tiling and the bathrooms both bathrooms was
Speaker 7: non compliant with the code because of tiles sloped away
Speaker 7: from the showers instead of towards the showers. So in
Speaker 7: the meantime we got the property file and having been
Speaker 7: in the building industry all my life, went through it
Speaker 7: like a forensic scientist and discovered half another half a
Speaker 7: dozen other issues which were non compliant.
Speaker 6: With the with the code.
Speaker 7: And then there was another major problem where all the
Speaker 7: safites are villaboard porches and cefits and all the joints
Speaker 7: were cracking and the tape was falling out.
Speaker 6: Spoke to the.
Speaker 7: Builder again about two weeks ago, and he knew nothing
Speaker 7: about all these other issues we had, but we gave
Speaker 7: him the reports from the building assessor and from the
Speaker 7: insurance assessor, plus the building surveyor. Wow, and he was
Speaker 7: still not really agreeing with anything that was said. So
Speaker 7: after that meeting, the tyler left and we promptly took
Speaker 7: the book the book around the building and showed them
Speaker 7: all these half half a dozen other issues which he
Speaker 7: couldn't really argue with. They were pretty black and white,
Speaker 7: and he probably well sort of left the site feeling probably.
Speaker 6: Quite down, and I think he had a few sleepless nights.
Speaker 7: Anyway, we met again about a week later, which was
Speaker 7: about a week ago, and we had discussions and he
Speaker 7: finally agreed to cover all the costs of the repairs.
Speaker 7: And you know, it's taken six months of absolute you know, stress.
Speaker 6: And yeah, you know, but we finally got where we
Speaker 6: needed to be.
Speaker 5: And I can understand from your point of view, Wow,
Speaker 5: you know, it must seem like a lot of effort
Speaker 5: on your part to get to hear I'm looking at it,
Speaker 5: I suppose contrasting it to other situations, I understand, and
Speaker 5: you just go, wow, if you've and especially if you've
Speaker 5: gotten a writing and he's actually going to follow through
Speaker 5: with the promises, it's actually.
Speaker 7: I think we realizes that, you know, he's been sort
Speaker 7: of backed into a corner. One of one of the
Speaker 7: things he did say at the final meeting we had
Speaker 7: with him that because insurances could be involved, yes, his
Speaker 7: approach has to be deny, deny, deny, because he can't
Speaker 7: admit if you're looking at coverent with insurance, you are
Speaker 7: not allowed to admit that you're at fault because that's
Speaker 7: the way insurance works. Yeah, you know, and that's it's
Speaker 7: very frustrating when you. You know, you sort of got
Speaker 7: all this evidence and it's piling up against him, and
Speaker 7: he still got us back against the wall, going, you know,
Speaker 7: not my problem, not my problem, you know, yeah.
Speaker 5: Because you're right, his his insurer. And look, it's no
Speaker 5: different to you and I if we're in a car crash,
Speaker 5: for example, you know, surer would say, don't admit liability, right,
Speaker 5: take it responsibility. Look, I think I know it's it's
Speaker 5: been a bit of a tortuous approach. I'm certainly delighted that.
Speaker 5: I guess the beauty of getting you know, making it
Speaker 5: evidence based. Right, So you've done the right thing. You've
Speaker 5: gone out to a building professional, I a registered building server.
Speaker 6: It's cost us thousands of dollars.
Speaker 5: I can imagine, yep. And and will those costs be reimbursed?
Speaker 5: I suppose you'd look at that and just go, look,
Speaker 5: maybe I'm just gonna have to suck that up.
Speaker 6: And yeah, he suggested possibly.
Speaker 5: Okay, again, if it's through insurance, it probably should be.
Speaker 5: When you say just a final thing, they're gonna move on.
Speaker 5: But the so, the constructor who did the work all
Speaker 5: those years ago obviously has insurance for his work, and
Speaker 5: in that sense.
Speaker 6: Well, I don't know, Okay, talking.
Speaker 5: To insurance, so it might get a concruence.
Speaker 7: Covers it or we don't know. But I been talking
Speaker 7: to master Builders because we have a master Builders warranty, yep,
Speaker 7: Ike been talking, you know.
Speaker 5: So they might come to the party as well.
Speaker 6: Where he's going.
Speaker 7: The tyler apparently has insurance, so they've been discussing.
Speaker 6: The tiler's been discussed with his insurance.
Speaker 7: Or but again I don't know whether their insurance covers it.
Speaker 5: To be honest, it will be really really interesting. Hey,
Speaker 5: I really do appreciate the update because I think, yeah,
Speaker 5: there's there's a lot of really good lessons in it.
Speaker 5: But I'm particularly delighted at the fact that I suppose
Speaker 5: by presenting evidence. You know, so often when we go
Speaker 5: into these sorts of discussions, it's like I think, or
Speaker 5: you know, I think it should be better or whatever.
Speaker 5: But in this case, when you can go here, I've
Speaker 5: had a registered building surveyor who has this qualification in
Speaker 5: order to prove their ability to make these comments. And
Speaker 5: here is the evidence. This is what's been done. This
Speaker 5: is what the code states. The two don't line up. Therefore,
Speaker 5: this work is below the code. I mean you know,
Speaker 5: unless he wants to go and argue and get a
Speaker 5: determination or something like that.
Speaker 7: He's, well, that's the other option we put to him,
Speaker 7: but he didn't be he's.
Speaker 5: He's snucking all that. Yeah, good on you look and
Speaker 5: now I guess the hopeful thing is that it happens
Speaker 5: in a timely fashion. But the great thing is that
Speaker 5: you've got an indication, an intent to get this sorted,
Speaker 5: and that that must feel really good. Rudy, thanks very much,
Speaker 5: really appreciate that, ud Take care. Yeah, made, I bet,
Speaker 5: I bet pleasure all the best. Oh, eight hundred eighty
Speaker 5: ten eighty nine, two ninety two. Someone's just text through
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Speaker 5: I guess if you're listening to the show over the
Speaker 5: last little while, probably for years, you tend to get
Speaker 5: the indication that, you know, like all tiled showers end
Speaker 5: up with issues of some description. And that's me and
Speaker 5: that's what we were talking about with Rudy. It's what
Speaker 5: we'll talk about with Raywan in a moment. I think
Speaker 5: as well, we've had any number of calls about you know,
Speaker 5: someone discovers that there's a damp patch on the carpet
Speaker 5: on the other side of the wall from the shower,
Speaker 5: or in this case mold growing in the shower, or
Speaker 5: a toadstool growing in the shower. That's pretty sure signed
Speaker 5: that there's some issues with the waterproofing. I think it's
Speaker 5: fair to say though that there's I mean, I know
Speaker 5: literally hundreds of showers that have been tiled, waterproof tiled
Speaker 5: over ten, fifteen, twenty years later, no issue, which just
Speaker 5: emphasizes the fact that you can do it properly. They
Speaker 5: don't have to fail. They shouldn't fail if you read
Speaker 5: the instructions, do what's on the instructions, and you suitably
Speaker 5: qualified and experienced trades people to undertake the work. They'll
Speaker 5: be absolutely fine, right Raywn, let us know where you're
Speaker 5: at now, this is your place in a retirement village.
Speaker 5: We've chatted a few times about this. Finally they're going
Speaker 5: to fix it.
Speaker 8: How are you going, Well, I've ripped it all a part.
Speaker 9: I'm staying with a friend. It was rotten all the
Speaker 9: way round. Part of it was rotten, mulled all the
Speaker 9: way around. It was had been leaking and apart it
Speaker 9: in two places in the shower, so it's been a
Speaker 9: part the heat to put in to dry it all out,
Speaker 9: and then they sprayed it with ganola and now the
Speaker 9: jib's back on. So it's I just wanted to give
Speaker 9: you a quick update. I was right and it was
Speaker 9: leaking them underneath the tiles and so all of being
Speaker 9: done to fix it, and the waterproofing was minimal underneath it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 9: So yes, I'm glad that I've picked it up. It
Speaker 9: took four months to get them to do something about it,
Speaker 9: but that's on the way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, fantastic, And so you'll have a fully functioning and
Speaker 5: water proof shower in what a couple of weeks time, maybe.
Speaker 9: Seen four days now, so it'll be it'll be a
Speaker 9: little while. So yeah, So that thanks for listening to me,
Speaker 9: and I just wanted to give you enough to say
Speaker 9: that it's being discovered and the need and underway.
Speaker 5: Fantastic. That's great, Really appreciate the update. Just in terms
Speaker 5: of making mistakes is a phrase that we use on
Speaker 5: site quite a lot, but I just can't repeat it
Speaker 5: on the air. But it's along the lines of it's
Speaker 5: not if you can fix it right, And the reality
Speaker 5: of actually making things is that sometimes you do make mistakes,
Speaker 5: and then at that point where you do make mistakes,
Speaker 5: it's really just all about the fixing thereof mistakes. Not inevitable,
Speaker 5: but they do happen. This is the nature of life,
Speaker 5: I guess. So once you have made a mistake, then
Speaker 5: what's really important is putting it right. Oh, eight hundred
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty number to call. Yes, just to that
Speaker 5: email or to the text you'd like to email. It's
Speaker 5: Pete ATNEWSTALKZB dot co dot NZ. This is an interesting
Speaker 5: one too, sh I'll come back to that one. That's
Speaker 5: all but technical at this stage. This one got my attention.
Speaker 5: It came in pretty soon after the show started what
Speaker 5: triggers a resource consent for a retaining wall adding it
Speaker 5: into a building consent. In a situation where I need
Speaker 5: to retain a three meter high slope, which is fairly
Speaker 5: extensive looking at a series of terraces, to reduce the
Speaker 5: height of each one to say six hundred high, I'm
Speaker 5: going to use these large pre made concrete blocks six
Speaker 5: hundred by six hundred by fifteen hundred, so they are
Speaker 5: about twelve hundred kilos each. Criky. So do the terraces
Speaker 5: and is there a distance between each retaining wall soils
Speaker 5: expansive but stable as per the soil report, I think
Speaker 5: in a nutshell, you're probably going to have to have
Speaker 5: definitely need specific design by your engineer as to the
Speaker 5: construction of the wall. So there might be, for example,
Speaker 5: a minimum distance between the front face of each wall
Speaker 5: to ensure that the surcharge of the retaining block is
Speaker 5: not loading up on the block below. So that might
Speaker 5: mean that you've got to be let's say, from front
Speaker 5: face to front face of each of those terraces a
Speaker 5: meter and a half back. It won't necessarily be able
Speaker 5: to be done where they stack them on top of
Speaker 5: each other, or just with a minimal gap. It's specific design. Certainly,
Speaker 5: anything above one point five meters requires specific design for
Speaker 5: any type of retaining wall three meters definitely in terms
Speaker 5: of resource consent. Typically that would only be triggered if
Speaker 5: there was bulk excavations to do, or you're going to
Speaker 5: raise a building platform, which would then raise your entire
Speaker 5: building up above the heightened relation to boundary. Heightened relation
Speaker 5: to boundary is this sort of imaginary line that exists
Speaker 5: along a boundary where all buildings have to comply with.
Speaker 5: So you take a line at the boundary, you go
Speaker 5: up a required height. It might be anywhere from two
Speaker 5: point four to two point seven, possibly a bit higher,
Speaker 5: and then you imagine a recession plane, so an angle
Speaker 5: from there, depending on which side of the boundary on
Speaker 5: it might be forty five degrees, it might be thirty degrees.
Speaker 5: And then it's expected that your building sits within that line.
Speaker 5: There's an ability to infringe that, but then to infringe
Speaker 5: might require a building resource consent, either approval from the
Speaker 5: neighbors or in some cases the planners can say, look,
Speaker 5: the effects are less than minor, often for gable ends
Speaker 5: and dormers and those sorts of things. So I wonder
Speaker 5: whether it's that part of the building that requires the
Speaker 5: resource consent because of the height or the bulk of
Speaker 5: the excavation. The building consent will cover the rest of it.
Speaker 5: I would definitely get specific engineering advice and design for
Speaker 5: a retaining wall of that height, particularly if at the
Speaker 5: top of it you've either got your building platform sitting
Speaker 5: on it, or for example, if you've got a driveway,
Speaker 5: So if there's a surcharge of a driveway, no matter
Speaker 5: how high the retaining wall is, that also then triggers
Speaker 5: the requirement for specific design and especially a building consent.
Speaker 5: I hope that makes sense. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Speaker 5: is the number to call. If you've got a question
Speaker 5: of a building nature, you should call us right now.
Speaker 5: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
Speaker 5: a little bit later on. We've got our painting expert,
Speaker 5: Jay Sharples from Razine. He'll be with us at around
Speaker 5: seven twenty this morning. So if you've got any specific
Speaker 5: painting questions, it is nine two ninety two that you
Speaker 5: can send those questions through and will have a chat
Speaker 5: with Jay from Razine a little bit later on. Oh,
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call back
Speaker 5: in a moment.
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Speaker 5: I was just thinking with the conversations around leaking showers
Speaker 5: and that I was involved in a situation or engage
Speaker 5: with a discussion dispute I guess around waterproofing, and in
Speaker 5: fact we're doing the opposite, proving that the leak didn't
Speaker 5: come from the shower in a particular situation this week.
Speaker 5: And look, really one of the really simple ways of
Speaker 5: doing that, and we often do it with testing of
Speaker 5: waterproofing integrity prior to tiling, is to do the waterproofing,
Speaker 5: allowed the time to cure properly so that it's actually
Speaker 5: ready to use, and then flood the basin. This is
Speaker 5: I suppose you can't really do it or can't do
Speaker 5: it easily on a level entry. But if there's a
Speaker 5: hob for example, around a tile shower enclosure and you
Speaker 5: fully waterproofed it, you can just use a balloon basically
Speaker 5: or something similar to plug the drain and then flood it.
Speaker 5: So just fill it with water and wait and if
Speaker 5: mark it on the wall or put a bit of
Speaker 5: masking tape on or something like that. And if you
Speaker 5: come back after twenty four hours and the levels drop,
Speaker 5: then hey, chances are you got a leak. Come back
Speaker 5: after twenty four hours and it has moved it all, well,
Speaker 5: then it's probably going to stay water tight and durable
Speaker 5: for many, many years to come. So there you go.
Speaker 5: There's a handy one. Always good to have a balloon
Speaker 5: in the back of the truck. I say, oh, eight
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call
Speaker 5: a couple of other techs that have come through. And
Speaker 5: now I think there's a bit more to this, retaining
Speaker 5: War one. It's thirty meters from boundary. It's about six
Speaker 5: or eight meters across. I need to cut a slope
Speaker 5: into provide a crane footing or crane access. So it's
Speaker 5: temporary only for a few months again, sure, or why
Speaker 5: then if it is temporary, it would still require I
Speaker 5: think you should still get specific design on it, particularly
Speaker 5: if and if you're like me and you spend a
Speaker 5: bit of time watching funny videos online. Crane's toppling over
Speaker 5: because the ground is unstable, is not a lot of
Speaker 5: fun for anyone involved. So if you are going to
Speaker 5: sit a crane on it and you definitely want to
Speaker 5: make sure that your retaining wall is up to the job,
Speaker 5: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
Speaker 5: call if you've got some building questions. We can take
Speaker 5: those interesting. I had one of those weeks where a
Speaker 5: little bit of traveling chop went down to Hamilton to
Speaker 5: have a look at a show home of a three
Speaker 5: D printed house that's been completed and is available for
Speaker 5: people to have a look at, and I guess ultimately
Speaker 5: they're going to sell it as well. We'll talk a
Speaker 5: little bit more about that. But later on also went
Speaker 5: to a factory that does not modular homes transportable homes,
Speaker 5: so had to wander through that just to see the
Speaker 5: pro and the construction and the methodology and the planning
Speaker 5: that goes into those sorts of projects, which was pretty
Speaker 5: impressive as well. And then on Friday went along to
Speaker 5: a mid build open home of a what will be
Speaker 5: a passive house and a passive house plus. So it's
Speaker 5: a passive house which is all about air tightness, super
Speaker 5: well insulated, full ventilation heat recovery system involved imported joinery
Speaker 5: with triple glazing in it, massive amounts of insulation. The
Speaker 5: insulation in the ceiling was effectively R point R eight
Speaker 5: eight point zero. Bearing in mind we all freaked out
Speaker 5: when the building code changed and if you went to
Speaker 5: the schedule method you had to go to R six
Speaker 5: point six. This has gone to R eight. The beauty
Speaker 5: of these things is that it's an opportunity to go
Speaker 5: through the building before it's finished. We can all go
Speaker 5: to a house at the end and go, oh, that's
Speaker 5: really cool, But all we're looking at is the finish
Speaker 5: So the ability to go and look through and to
Speaker 5: see the construction and the detailing around trying to get
Speaker 5: air tightness using the right tapes, the way that the
Speaker 5: joinery has been installed, all of those construction details, and
Speaker 5: having the architect and its foremanths the SIPs panel people
Speaker 5: out of christ Church they supplied the panels. Darryl Sang
Speaker 5: was the architect. Builders were outstanding, very high quality work,
Speaker 5: so quite a variety in terms of what I had
Speaker 5: a chance to have a look at. This passive house too,
Speaker 5: by the way, will be sort of certified as passive
Speaker 5: house plus because of the ability to generate power from
Speaker 5: solar panels. Quite possibly it will generate more power than
Speaker 5: it will use over a year, which is pretty cool. Oh,
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've got a project underweight,
Speaker 5: let us know and let's talk about it. The lines
Speaker 5: are open right now. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
Speaker 5: the number to call.
Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor, get the right advice. It's
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Speaker 5: News Talks AB. It's coming up nineteen minutes away from
Speaker 5: seven o'clock. Remember, in the next hour, we've got Jay Sharples,
Speaker 5: our painting expert from Razine. He's going to be available
Speaker 5: at around seven twenty this morning. Stuff. You've got any
Speaker 5: specific painting questions, please text them through and we can
Speaker 5: run through that. I mean, it feels like at this
Speaker 5: time of year it's always that perfect outdoor painting time.
Speaker 5: Staying out of the sun, of course is pretty important,
Speaker 5: but in general we know that the weather's a little
Speaker 5: bit more stable and when you can get stuck into it. Certainly,
Speaker 5: I think even this week I'll probably be able to
Speaker 5: crack into a couple of little painting and maintenance jobs
Speaker 5: around the place as well, So looking forward to that
Speaker 5: if the weather state plays ball this week. Another text
Speaker 5: that's come through from Sam, and it's a little bit technical,
Speaker 5: so it's probably a more trade orientated get ape. He says,
Speaker 5: I'm running a project in last week. I asked the
Speaker 5: bricklayer to use fifty milimeter screws for the ties. So
Speaker 5: if you've ever watched bricklayers working doing a brick veneer
Speaker 5: on timber framing or whatever substrate or framing behind it,
Speaker 5: every couple of courses, they'll run in like a little
Speaker 5: l bracket which gets fixed back to the building and
Speaker 5: gets bedded into the mortar as they're doing the bricks.
Speaker 5: And the whole idea there is that it ties the
Speaker 5: brick veneer to the structure of the building and prevents
Speaker 5: it moving over time. So those and that fixing now
Speaker 5: typically we used to nail them on with clouds years ago.
Speaker 5: Now they're fixed in with a little text screw into
Speaker 5: the framing. And so the brickie said he the project manager, Sam,
Speaker 5: who's doing the texting, said look, the brickie said that,
Speaker 5: And the supplier said that only thirty five millimeter screws
Speaker 5: were required. The council had approved thirty five, yet it
Speaker 5: stated that fifty milimeter ones were to be needed, and
Speaker 5: you kind of go, why would they change it? And
Speaker 5: then it seems like in this particular build they had
Speaker 5: a rigid air barrier on the exterior of the framing.
Speaker 5: So for many, many, many years, we used to do
Speaker 5: timber framing with building paper or building wrap around the outside,
Speaker 5: which is still used today, but in some cases we're
Speaker 5: moving to having a rigid air barrier. Might be plywood,
Speaker 5: might be five er cement sheet, might be os B board.
Speaker 5: There's a number of different varieties, and so suddenly you've
Speaker 5: got the timber framing and instead of having less than
Speaker 5: a millimeter of building paper around the outside, you might
Speaker 5: have nine, ten, possibly even twelve millimeters of a rigid
Speaker 5: air barrier sheathing on the outside of the building. I
Speaker 5: think what the council's picking up on, and this is correct,
Speaker 5: is that what you need for that screw is thirty
Speaker 5: five mili embedment into the timber framing. So if you
Speaker 5: used a thirty five mil screw through ten mili of
Speaker 5: rigid air barrier, then obviously it's only by twenty five
Speaker 5: millimeters into the timber framing, hence the need for longer screws.
Speaker 5: So it's not about the length of the screw it's
Speaker 5: about what type of rigid air barrier you might have,
Speaker 5: or simply the fact that you've got one on the outside.
Speaker 5: The concern from Sam, who's the text, is hey, look,
Speaker 5: if I had a bought built to the consented drawings,
Speaker 5: then there would possibly be all sorts of liabilities to
Speaker 5: me as the LBP, as the builder into the future.
Speaker 5: I have to say, I mean, look, it is disappointing
Speaker 5: if something is poorly drawn and then it goes through
Speaker 5: consent at council and council don't pick up on these
Speaker 5: kind of relatively straightforward building issues. That's an issue that's
Speaker 5: not great because in the end, as the LBP, as
Speaker 5: the builders on site, now what's kind of been hammered
Speaker 5: into us. Pardon the pun is the plans are your
Speaker 5: contract right. It's not our job as LBPS to challenge
Speaker 5: or debate. It's our job to build exactly what's on
Speaker 5: the plan. So if there's poor specification, poor detailing, in
Speaker 5: this case using thirty five mil screws, when because of
Speaker 5: the rigid air barrier you needed to use the longest screw.
Speaker 5: You're right, that becomes quite a challenge for the contractors
Speaker 5: on site.
Speaker 6: It's not.
Speaker 5: I don't like the situation. That's not our job to
Speaker 5: find those things, but it just isn't. And all of
Speaker 5: the things that we talk about as LBPS around contracts
Speaker 5: and plans and so on, is you build what's on
Speaker 5: the plan. But if the plan's wrong and you do
Speaker 5: know that, then yes, I guess you have a responsibility
Speaker 5: to point that out, either to the inspector or to
Speaker 5: the client, certainly to the designer who missed that as
Speaker 5: they were putting the designs together. You may have some
Speaker 5: thoughts on that. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
Speaker 5: number to call. A couple of other texts coming through
Speaker 5: just with regard to various little projects. And someone likes
Speaker 5: the song, that's always a pleasant surprise. Eight hundred eighty
Speaker 5: ten eighty eight. As I mentioned, So, I went to
Speaker 5: Hamilton on when was it, Thursday afternoon and had a
Speaker 5: look at a three D printed house. And this is
Speaker 5: one of those things. If you google you know three
Speaker 5: D printed houses, you'll see lots of pictures from Europe
Speaker 5: and the United States of America in particularly where they're
Speaker 5: doing some of these sorts of things. A robot essentially
Speaker 5: that extrudes a mortar a high strength forty MPa concrete
Speaker 5: into and just lays it out, typically in a series
Speaker 5: of layers and builds up wall segments, so it's interior
Speaker 5: exterior of the wall is all printed in one go,
Speaker 5: sometimes on site the New Zealand ones typically they're printed
Speaker 5: in the factory. Went to the factory and had a
Speaker 5: look at that, and then went to the show home,
Speaker 5: which is just on the outskirts of Rotors CBD Rotakari
Speaker 5: in a new subdivision there and had walk through the house.
Speaker 5: Quite remarkable. If you're in the area, it's worth a drive.
Speaker 5: Just look for Iconic three D and their show home
Speaker 5: and then you'll be able to either drive by or
Speaker 5: stop in and have a look again. It's and then
Speaker 5: when I was at this mid Bild yes Or on Friday,
Speaker 5: I was asked to say a few words, and one
Speaker 5: of the things that I've started to think a bit
Speaker 5: more about is that I think often we're too binary
Speaker 5: in our approach to sort of building and solutions for
Speaker 5: either affordability or production or speed or quality, that there's
Speaker 5: going to be a multitude of solutions to all of
Speaker 5: the challenges that the building industry faces. But typically we
Speaker 5: get into this sort of binary thing where we go, well,
Speaker 5: if I've got a good idea, then therefore every other
Speaker 5: idea is a bad idea, and so we tend to
Speaker 5: clash rather than collaborate. And I just look at all
Speaker 5: of these different building topographies and methods that are out there,
Speaker 5: going actually is probably room for all of these things
Speaker 5: to exist in the same space that. Yeah, three D
Speaker 5: printing can be part of the solution. Modular off site
Speaker 5: construction is part of the solution. SIPs panels are part
Speaker 5: of the solution. Conventional timber framing, but using really high
Speaker 5: tech equipment is also part of the solution. As long
Speaker 5: as we en met with better houses and more of them,
Speaker 5: it's got to be a good thing. Oh eight hundred
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty the number to call Ryan A very
Speaker 5: good morning to you.
Speaker 10: Good morning, How are you well?
Speaker 5: Thanks for Ryan? Yourself?
Speaker 10: Not too there? It's there, really start, that's good time
Speaker 10: to day.
Speaker 5: Sure, how can I help? What's up?
Speaker 10: You just want to We've spoke a couple of times
Speaker 10: or four of that nightmare renovation up and up and awkward,
Speaker 10: just said the final issue sort of come through. So
Speaker 10: managed to change builders and had our last proto compliance
Speaker 10: to come through after after six years and paid about
Speaker 10: three times as much as what we.
Speaker 6: What we needed to.
Speaker 10: So I just wanted some advice on this. So if
Speaker 10: you're probably going to laugh, because this is just the
Speaker 10: icing on the cake. So we had the council come
Speaker 10: around to do the FOSE Code compliant, the final code
Speaker 10: compliance and the weather boards were installed incorrectly out the clouding.
Speaker 10: So when we went back through, what had happened is
Speaker 10: the has become obviously they get the specs off the
Speaker 10: off the company that those those are weather boards. They
Speaker 10: come and inspected it just after the building company had
Speaker 10: started and said, actually, I don't know the specifics, but
Speaker 10: it's not the tender it's supposed to be for Stephen Mill.
Speaker 10: I think it might be the overlap. Yes, okay, and
Speaker 10: then said look you just need to change that, but
Speaker 10: it'll be fine. The build that continued didn't change it,
Speaker 10: and the whole house at ten Mill and then it
Speaker 10: was obviously it was it was standard, it was painted,
Speaker 10: everything else was done and complete and carried on and
Speaker 10: then yeah, we're sort of two and a half maybe
Speaker 10: probably three years since that because of all the other
Speaker 10: challenges and just because of for different reasons and you know,
Speaker 10: financially not being able to Yeah, sure, next step legally
Speaker 10: sometimes that as you know, that cost of it and
Speaker 10: spoke at that cost more than actually fixing it if
Speaker 10: it doesn't come up right. But we've found out that
Speaker 10: we need to completely reclad, brand new, replating on the
Speaker 10: on the house.
Speaker 5: Savers. Okay, I mean that.
Speaker 10: They said that the concept and the you know, the
Speaker 10: instructions and that was contract that, et cetera, that this
Speaker 10: was a pretty straightforward thing to go back to the
Speaker 10: builder and and the lb T and so that you
Speaker 10: haven't done those through the plans and there's the instructions.
Speaker 10: What are your what are your thoughts?
Speaker 5: Is it well, yeah, it may well be part of
Speaker 5: me is just you know, dreadfully sorry and sad to
Speaker 5: hear it and disappointed, I guess at the state of
Speaker 5: our industry that something you know, as relatively straightforward as
Speaker 5: as putting weather boards up. So, just without going into
Speaker 5: too much detail around the type of product, is it
Speaker 5: a conventional timber weather board or is it a weather
Speaker 5: board system?
Speaker 10: I'm not Toby, I'm not specialized enough to answer that
Speaker 10: it's not the weatherboard company that's the problem. I've really
Speaker 10: I know, I mentioned who they are. I've been really
Speaker 10: good at supplying what we need. I'm pretty sure it's
Speaker 10: a convention.
Speaker 11: The board.
Speaker 10: The square feet amount that was needed, and as part
Speaker 10: of purchasing off them, they coming up to make sure
Speaker 10: that it instilled.
Speaker 5: Correctly, which is pretty good of them. What I might do, Ryan,
Speaker 5: is before you go, if I get you to leave
Speaker 5: the name of the product, then I can have a
Speaker 5: look online see what the details are. I suppose. The
Speaker 5: other thing that's disappointing about the conversation or the situation
Speaker 5: rather is that like typically through the building process and
Speaker 5: through the inspection process, you'll have a rap inspection before
Speaker 5: the clouding is fixed, and then you'll have a cladding inspection. Right,
Speaker 5: So typically the builder should get counsel to come out
Speaker 5: and inspect the cladding before it gets painted right, and
Speaker 5: at that point council should have picked up on things
Speaker 5: like is there are the weather boards installed as per
Speaker 5: the specifications, and it's you know, if there was a
Speaker 5: scriber left off, or a box corner or you know,
Speaker 5: a window hadn't been installed, you'd be able to see
Speaker 5: what the cover of the weather board is quite simply right.
Speaker 5: And most weather boards will have like a groove in
Speaker 5: them that stops the capillary action right, And those grooves
Speaker 5: typically there's one at the top of the board and
Speaker 5: one at the bottom of the board on the inside face.
Speaker 5: So at the top of the board it's on the
Speaker 5: outside face on the lap. So at the bottom of
Speaker 5: the board on the inside face there's a groove, and
Speaker 5: those grooves typically should line up right. It's as simple
Speaker 5: as that. So I wonder whether what has possibly happened
Speaker 5: are they timberweather boards, yeah, okay, is that they haven't
Speaker 5: done that, and that will come down to doing the spacings.
Speaker 5: And perhaps the builder when they were laying out the
Speaker 5: spacings decided that he wanted to try and achieve a
Speaker 5: full line at the head, or he wanted a full
Speaker 5: board at the safe or something like that, and thought, well,
Speaker 5: I'll stretch out my spacings and then I can achieve that.
Speaker 5: But that's then ended up meaning that the boards are
Speaker 5: not installed as per the specifications and so the noncompliant.
Speaker 5: But I would have really expected counsel to have been
Speaker 5: able to identify that during the clouding inspection and it
Speaker 5: should have failed then, right, the fact that it fails
Speaker 5: its final inspection is really if that's the case, that's
Speaker 5: really disappointing.
Speaker 10: There is actually there is actually a note on that
Speaker 10: as well. The council did and this had just happened
Speaker 10: three times with council. They come out during the inspection. Yeah,
Speaker 10: and they advised that something was done and correctly that
Speaker 10: it needed to be redone and unbenign to us the council.
Speaker 10: There's an argument site because this builder decided that they
Speaker 10: or project managers so that they knew better. Yep, and
Speaker 10: they kept going with the view that it wouldn't be
Speaker 10: noticed later on because we spoke to some of.
Speaker 5: The builders, right crikey.
Speaker 10: Yes, so yeah, it's this isn't the first thing that
Speaker 10: I suppose, it's the one. Now we're finally after five years,
Speaker 10: got some of the it's been quite stressfully.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well look I can imagine Yeah.
Speaker 10: One hundred hundred and twenty thousand dollars I suppose renovation,
Speaker 10: which at that time was like, look, it's we need
Speaker 10: to do it. H it's in our own four hundred k. Gee,
Speaker 10: we still don't have a house that's complying. Wow, and
Speaker 10: we still have where we had a quote about eighty
Speaker 10: five thousand dollars to completely we do perfectly re planting
Speaker 10: and there's no reuse of the plaids because it was right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they'll be damaged beyond repair. Can I I'm very
Speaker 5: aware at the time? Can I suggest one of the
Speaker 5: things with the building code is that there's you know,
Speaker 5: if you supply a product, right, you also supply the
Speaker 5: details of how to install it, and then you warranty
Speaker 5: the fact that if it's installed as per the conditions
Speaker 5: or as per the warrant are the specifications, it will
Speaker 5: work right. There is also in this sort of situation
Speaker 5: the possibility that even though it's not done as per
Speaker 5: the specifications, it may still work right, as in it'll
Speaker 5: be weather tight. And so there's a performance standard as
Speaker 5: well as kind of the technical standard. So lots of
Speaker 5: things with buildings might not be compliant, but they might
Speaker 5: still work. And I'm just wondering whether if you had
Speaker 5: a discussion again, we're going back to building surveys, right,
Speaker 5: who need who are experienced this? I tell you what,
Speaker 5: just down the line we're going I'm going to run
Speaker 5: into the news. We'll come back straight after and have
Speaker 5: a look at what might be a solution for you.
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Speaker 5: builder with you this morning right through till eight o'clock. Sorry,
Speaker 5: let's let's stretch it out. We used to go to eight.
Speaker 5: Now we go to nine because we've got rud climb
Speaker 5: pass from eight thirty this morning, as always talking about
Speaker 5: all things in the garden and the wonderful world of
Speaker 5: bugs as well. At about twenty past seven, so not
Speaker 5: too far away, we're going to get Jay Sharples from
Speaker 5: Razine on the line. We can take your painting questions,
Speaker 5: So if you've got any specific painting questions, text and
Speaker 5: through to nine to nine two. And just prior to
Speaker 5: the news we were talking with Ryan. This is an
Speaker 5: issue with a well a renovation done in the last
Speaker 5: couple of years, so we're not talking ancient history where
Speaker 5: it seems the contractor has in store all the weather boards. Incorrectly,
Speaker 5: I'm saying council should really have picked that up during
Speaker 5: the cladding inspection, that's why you have one, and then
Speaker 5: to find that at the end of it they won't
Speaker 5: issue I presume they won't issue a CCC because it's
Speaker 5: failed its final inspection, because the cladding was installed incorrectly. Ryan,
Speaker 5: does that feel like a proper summary on my part
Speaker 5: that somewhere along the line, obviously you had a clouding
Speaker 5: inspection during the bill, during the renovation, and then a
Speaker 5: final inspection councilor failed it, and because they failed it,
Speaker 5: they won't issue a CCC.
Speaker 10: Yes, So I actually just put a quick look through me.
Speaker 10: So the council also picked it up as well as
Speaker 10: the clouding company. Yep, it wasn't to spect because the
Speaker 10: council obviously read the specifications as well. Yes, from the
Speaker 10: clouding company.
Speaker 5: Right, So they did pick it up.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 10: That's good, and that the builder continued on their way
Speaker 10: installing it.
Speaker 5: Not to speak, which again, if I take a step
Speaker 5: back from your particular situation, just in general, one of
Speaker 5: the things that I know has changed with the inspection
Speaker 5: regime for most councils, and I'm most familiar with Auckland
Speaker 5: City Council obviously, is that if something gets picked up
Speaker 5: on an inspection, right, and you get a fail. You
Speaker 5: can't get the next inspection anymore without resolving that issue.
Speaker 5: So back in the day, you'd go, you know, you
Speaker 5: might get at fail on cladding because there was a
Speaker 5: head flashings missing, right, and because you went, well, look
Speaker 5: the flashings on the truck. It'll be here on Tuesday
Speaker 5: and today's Monday, and can I carry onlining and that? Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's fine. Now they won't do that, seemingly so, But
Speaker 5: it seems so in that sense. If they had have
Speaker 5: had that policy at the time that you were building,
Speaker 5: they wouldn't have been able to, for example, carry on
Speaker 5: to plasterboard lining or install insulation or anything like that
Speaker 5: and get any other inspections without first closing off the
Speaker 5: fail of the previous inspection. Obviously that hasn't happened. You've
Speaker 5: been able to get to the end of the job
Speaker 5: with cladding still. But then see, I just think if
Speaker 5: that's the case, and you've got a paper trail to
Speaker 5: prove it, all of the responsibility goes back to the
Speaker 5: builder to go you were told, here's the evidence. You
Speaker 5: didn't fix it. Now you've got to fix it, and
Speaker 5: that's your responsibility.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we've done it on a few pieces, and then
Speaker 10: obviously they just throw it to the lawyers, probably knowing
Speaker 10: that we've poured so much into it that to actually
Speaker 10: see this through. Yeah, yeah, you know how it works.
Speaker 10: You know they've got the insurance or sure, we have
Speaker 10: to sort of save up for it, and you know
Speaker 10: we're forty thousand into that and so far, so far
Speaker 10: there's sort of no no results. And I suppose the
Speaker 10: only we will work down the avenue with with this one.
Speaker 5: Can I just ask another quick question that I really
Speaker 5: do have to move on the have you tried building
Speaker 5: mediation rather than than lawyers.
Speaker 10: Let's say we did, and they they it might have
Speaker 10: been because if a mediator came in and seen this,
Speaker 10: the recommendation.
Speaker 5: Would be in your favor.
Speaker 10: It's quite it's quite obvious in our favor. So they
Speaker 10: basically turned that down and said, if you want to
Speaker 10: take us to court, take us to court.
Speaker 5: Jeepers.
Speaker 10: So that was the there's no there's no discussion around
Speaker 10: mediation or anything. That's our lawyers to Look. Now, they're
Speaker 10: going to they're going to throw they're going to just
Speaker 10: try and cost you, cost you, cost you out of it.
Speaker 10: I suppose this is one of two quick things. So
Speaker 10: that what you said before in terms of so there's
Speaker 10: this happened on as we went back through, this happened
Speaker 10: on nine occasions that we didn't know about. So they
Speaker 10: never let us know when there's a fail. So that's
Speaker 10: obviously on the building that's with the council. That could
Speaker 10: have got glossed over some Most of the times they
Speaker 10: sort of fixed it. Other times it didn't. But when
Speaker 10: you mentioned that, look it might be water type, that's
Speaker 10: also what the but they mentioned as well. Our worry
Speaker 10: was on that that had conflicting I suppose advice because
Speaker 10: we do believe it is water type. Ye, which is good.
Speaker 10: Is that that then sits on the on the record
Speaker 10: for when we resell the property and it puts a
Speaker 10: bit of a I suppose a highlight on their claim
Speaker 10: being installed and correctly, And that's the worry.
Speaker 5: I guess it's it's a maybe a practical solution to
Speaker 5: a really difficult problem. Because the you know, the big
Speaker 5: fixes rip all the cladding off and do it correctly.
Speaker 5: The second fix is to go, actually, you know what,
Speaker 5: it actually still works despite the fact that it's not
Speaker 5: technically installed correctly. And you know, do you accept the
Speaker 5: risk that, yes, that will sit on the property file.
Speaker 5: It's there for disclosure, and you hope that people will
Speaker 5: understand it. Again, you know, if it's a professional opinion
Speaker 5: offered by a suitably experienced person like a registered building surveyor,
Speaker 5: then that should reassure most people. I presume that the
Speaker 5: person that you're dealing with, the contractor who undertook the work,
Speaker 5: is an LBP.
Speaker 10: They are an LBP, right, you'd be wanting.
Speaker 5: To take them straight to the disciplinary board.
Speaker 10: Yes, And that's the that's the part that we were
Speaker 10: through the moment what sort of go down in order
Speaker 10: for you know, not to put the business into solignty
Speaker 10: or liquidation, and yeah, that starts something else that you know,
Speaker 10: this sort of thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do, but remember to be a licensed building
Speaker 5: practitioner as I am. It's it's my name. I'm the
Speaker 5: licensed building practitioner, not my company.
Speaker 10: Okay, okay, So be that in mind.
Speaker 5: Look, it's a dreadfully sad situation and I can only
Speaker 5: imagine the stresses it's put you and your family under.
Speaker 5: So I hope there's there's some resolution for you.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 10: The worst thing with this there was all happened during
Speaker 10: a time where both my my wife both and my
Speaker 10: wife's parents passed away over a month period. And you've
Speaker 10: told you that before, and we had to just trust
Speaker 10: that I would keep on going because we were down. Yes,
Speaker 10: of course after after them, yep, and come back to
Speaker 10: this absolute myss basically love focus on the family. And
Speaker 10: that was a f year ago now, and that's when
Speaker 10: it was all all these massive bills started coming through,
Speaker 10: but nothing on the house.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wish you all the best.
Speaker 6: Thing.
Speaker 5: You take care very much.
Speaker 10: Look into the painting. Painting as well.
Speaker 5: So yeah, okay, you take care right, all the best
Speaker 5: follow the Uh we're going to be talking painting shortly
Speaker 5: before then, Chris, greetings to you.
Speaker 12: Yeah, get a better beautiful day here in Orban.
Speaker 5: Look out the window. Yes, I can confirm that.
Speaker 12: Hey, I got a question about a pagola on a
Speaker 12: second story rental property. So the underneath the polar deck
Speaker 12: it's starting to leak and get into the garage of
Speaker 12: the under under floor. Yes, yeah, construction now that the
Speaker 12: goolar is overhead that the deck, the deck was had
Speaker 12: that bitch mole sort of ceiling, so over time that's
Speaker 12: obviously failed out to try and source the leak and
Speaker 12: get into the leak with their major job, and did
Speaker 12: to take out a corner of a room and ranch
Speaker 12: siders and all sorts of stuff. But I'm thinking about
Speaker 12: just putting the polycarbinate roofing over the pre exact thing
Speaker 12: structure of the goola, just to remove the water from
Speaker 12: actually getting onto the deck. I couldn't find anything that.
Speaker 12: I couldn't find anything in the council plans about sort
Speaker 12: of the roofing square footage associated tool the first floor building,
Speaker 12: noting that the deck is already probably covering the square footage. Yeah,
Speaker 12: any rules associated with.
Speaker 5: That, I'd have to go through and check as well. Because,
Speaker 5: of course, there have been changes to the types of
Speaker 5: structures that you can build under Sedule one of the
Speaker 5: Building Act, which means you may not necessarily require a
Speaker 5: building consent, but prior to those changes, and it might
Speaker 5: still be active today. Typically, if you add a roof
Speaker 5: to something like a pagoda or a perglar, right, that
Speaker 5: typically triggers the requirement for a building consent, And I
Speaker 5: don't know that that's changed. So while you've got this
Speaker 5: open structure, the structure is there, but it's not roofed
Speaker 5: in any way. If you were to add a roof
Speaker 5: like clear light, that would typically require a building consent.
Speaker 5: And there's a couple of things around that. One is
Speaker 5: kind of a general thing that we're concerned about building creep. Right,
Speaker 5: So you know, you've got this little balcony, then you've
Speaker 5: got the framing above it, then you put a roof
Speaker 5: on it. Then someone changes that roof a solid roof,
Speaker 5: and then they close in the side and hey, pret
Speaker 5: becomes a fourth bedroom. Right, there's that sort of thing.
Speaker 5: There's also a practical thing that your purglar, while it's
Speaker 5: got no roofing on it, doesn't have to worry about
Speaker 5: uplift and things like that. If you did put roofing
Speaker 5: on it, you then need to ensure that all of
Speaker 5: the fixings are sufficient to prevent uplift in the event
Speaker 5: of a storm. You're also capturing storm water. You've got
Speaker 5: to divert that away. You've got to control storm water,
Speaker 5: not just have it pouring onto the ground, et cetera,
Speaker 5: et cetera. So I think that chances are adding roofing
Speaker 5: to your goda or purgla is going to require building
Speaker 5: consent with regard to the issue around the waterproofing. When
Speaker 5: you say is it a bitumen type, are you're talking
Speaker 5: buttanyl roofing or butteanyl waterproofing or a butteanol. Yeah, it
Speaker 5: looks that might just have reached the end of its life.
Speaker 5: If it's firm and sound, there are coatings that can
Speaker 5: be applied that will add a protective layer over the top.
Speaker 5: But in most cases, I think if it's reached the
Speaker 5: end of its practical life, then it's a case of
Speaker 5: removing it and replacing it with either a new butteanol
Speaker 5: or replacing with a different type of waterproof membrane. And then, unfortunately,
Speaker 5: sometimes when we pull those out, we discover that the
Speaker 5: substrate is not quite the right material. You know, I've
Speaker 5: seen it with untreated twelve mil ply fixed down with
Speaker 5: clouds right, so it all starts to move and twist
Speaker 5: and or the falls not right, or the scuppers aren't right,
Speaker 5: and then of course all of that buttant ole goes
Speaker 5: up underneath your cladding or is into the sliding doors
Speaker 5: that might come out, so you've got to take the
Speaker 5: sliding doors out. It does end up or could become
Speaker 5: quite a big issue, couldn't it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, okay, well, hey, thanks very much for
Speaker 12: that guid no.
Speaker 5: Trouble at all, all the very best to you. Take
Speaker 5: care of Chris, all the best. Then we're going to
Speaker 5: get Jay up in just a moment. We've got a
Speaker 5: bunch of painting questions. Feel free to add some in.
Speaker 5: I think we'll have time eight hundred and eighty ten
Speaker 5: eighty if you want to call for some building questions
Speaker 5: a little bit later on the show, remember at eight thirty.
Speaker 5: As always we're into the garden with recline past. But
Speaker 5: if you've got any specific painting questions right now, text
Speaker 5: them through. Jay's going to be with us in just
Speaker 5: a moment. Nine to nine two for the text and
Speaker 5: a quick text that's also come in. Would you PVC
Speaker 5: double glazing be better for warmth retention than thermally broken
Speaker 5: aluminium double glazed or would the margins be too little
Speaker 5: to matter much? I'm in Wellington. Thanks very much for
Speaker 5: your text. Look, there's plenty of evidence that you can
Speaker 5: find online, you know, testing on different types of window frames.
Speaker 5: So whether it's standard aluminum joinery, do thermally broken aluminium joinery,
Speaker 5: uPVC joinery, timber joinery. That's basically the four types of
Speaker 5: varieties that we've got for our aluminium or our window frames,
Speaker 5: and then you can see how they work with if
Speaker 5: you put the same type of double glazing in each
Speaker 5: of those, what the therm, what the R value is
Speaker 5: or it's actually in verse, what the actual performance is
Speaker 5: and look typically UPBC performs better and even small margins
Speaker 5: make a difference. So yeah, it's worth having a look.
Speaker 5: There's plenty of information online to see how each of
Speaker 5: those different windows system perform in terms of warmth retention,
Speaker 5: and it will make a big difference, So check it
Speaker 5: out online or have a look at the Stark Windows
Speaker 5: website as well. They'll have some information there. It is
Speaker 5: twenty one minutes after seven. We'll take short break. Then
Speaker 5: we'll talk to Jay about all things painting. If you've
Speaker 5: got a question, text it through now nine to nine
Speaker 5: two met it God.
Speaker 1: Was but maybe called Pete first. D you Wolfcab the
Speaker 1: resident builder News Talk said, be.
Speaker 5: You're right, Oh, we're into it. We're talking painting, and
Speaker 5: I don't know. For me, summer is always about painting,
Speaker 5: and that's my memory of childhood that seemed to spend
Speaker 5: every summer painting the outside of the house. Whether he
Speaker 5: did it. We did a sort of a wall a
Speaker 5: year and he just kept on working his way around.
Speaker 5: But to me, it feels like summertime is painting time.
Speaker 5: We know that you can paint all year round, but
Speaker 5: summertime feels like painting time. Jay, good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 6: How are you morning.
Speaker 5: I'm very well, thank you. And we're into that stage
Speaker 5: where you know the weather's a bit more settled kind
Speaker 5: of or at least if it's going to be bad,
Speaker 5: we know it's coming, so you can plan and get
Speaker 5: into some outdoor painting at this time of year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. Let's say it's all about planning, yes, for
Speaker 4: exterior or interior, to sort of think about how you're
Speaker 4: going to attack it this time of year. You really
Speaker 4: don't want to be painting in direct sunlight. Yes, that
Speaker 4: means starting earlier or working in the shaded areas. Just
Speaker 4: just think about how you're going to do it and
Speaker 4: attack that day. And obviously if you're outside, remember to
Speaker 4: have put on some sunscreen of word.
Speaker 5: Yeah jeez, yes, something I might have forgotten the other day. Anyway,
Speaker 5: So if you've got a painting question, feel through, tax
Speaker 5: them through. But we've got something to get underway with
Speaker 5: anyway here we go. Number one question for Jay, we're
Speaker 5: painting our house a different color in wanting to change
Speaker 5: the color of the front door. Now it's a powder
Speaker 5: code at the aluminium door in each prime if they
Speaker 5: did want to have a go themselves yet.
Speaker 4: So we've like our best system would be our high
Speaker 4: performance system, which is for industrial codings, which would be
Speaker 4: on the Coke two to one and Eurocraal four hundred
Speaker 4: series which are both two pots yep. So ideally you'd
Speaker 4: want to be heading into the shop and just having
Speaker 4: it to staff and make sure you're comfortable with it.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 4: Alternately, we do have single pack options which would be
Speaker 4: buying a latch and probably quick dry over the top yep,
Speaker 4: before if the luscicrel or namacrill, depending on the gloss
Speaker 4: level you were you were after, right, but.
Speaker 5: It can be tricky and I guess you know you've
Speaker 5: got to be realistic about if you're going to do
Speaker 5: it yourself.
Speaker 4: Then it's also like powder coated aluminium smooth. Yes, so
Speaker 4: as soon as you start brushing or rolling, you're going
Speaker 4: to create a different texture and different looks, so just
Speaker 4: be aware of that before you're doing it.
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely right now here we go, morning, Pete and
Speaker 5: j Could you ask Jay about staining a large pine deck.
Speaker 5: It's four years old, never been oil stained or painted.
Speaker 5: I've also got a new deck to stain. What razine
Speaker 5: product do you recommend for the lightest color penetrating oil
Speaker 5: stain so they don't want to go, you know, too
Speaker 5: yellow or too orangey? What do you what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4: So on my deck, I use the Solvent Born Woodsman, Yes, Woodman,
Speaker 4: Soborn Woodow, and it's tinted to the color natural. Prior
Speaker 4: to that, I'd been using the furnit Rasime furniture and
Speaker 4: decking oil, which is a bit more yellow. But I
Speaker 4: just find the naturals a little bit more subtle.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Diane's keen to stay away from There's
Speaker 5: nothing wrong with the yellow if you like it, but
Speaker 5: if you want to stay away from it.
Speaker 4: The thing. I'd also recommend Kee sing out to multiple
Speaker 4: housards in the last week.
Speaker 10: Keep a record of what you use, yes, or if you're.
Speaker 4: Buying new timber and it's coming pre coated, just make
Speaker 4: sure you've got a record of that because it can
Speaker 4: help save issues in the long run.
Speaker 5: Now, actually Following on from that, the next text is about, hey, team,
Speaker 5: I want to stain my queeler deck back to something
Speaker 5: close to the color it initially, what's the best stain
Speaker 5: to use and is there a product that means you
Speaker 5: don't have to redo it too often? That's from Lance.
Speaker 5: I guess the issue is you need to know what
Speaker 5: is on the already if there's already a coating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sort of if you Ideally, if you know
Speaker 4: what's already on there, you can keep using the same product, right,
Speaker 4: you can check that any new products are compatible with
Speaker 4: what's already on there. Our recommendation for Quila Dex, we've
Speaker 4: got a queler timber stake which brings back the natural color.
Speaker 4: So that's what I'd recommend. But like if you're never
Speaker 4: not sure what's on air, tri test area. We've got
Speaker 4: the test pots of the majority of bird stains, if
Speaker 4: not by a small amount, and just trying in an
Speaker 4: inconspicuous area.
Speaker 5: Okay, Now this is this is one about preparation. In
Speaker 5: this sense, they're painting over some old nineteen sixties asbestos cladding,
Speaker 5: so at least they've identified that some of it's a
Speaker 5: bit moldy. What sort of preparation, and I would jump
Speaker 5: in here straight away and go what you don't want
Speaker 5: to be doing is hitting it with sanding and scraping.
Speaker 5: So we're talking about a chemical prewash, aren't we.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But even that, I think you've got to be
Speaker 4: be careful with it. All depends on the condition of
Speaker 4: the surface. Any anything you do scrape or anything that
Speaker 4: you're not you meant to contain. So if you're washing
Speaker 4: it with a soft wash and it's bringing some of
Speaker 4: the coating off, you've got to contain that. Yes, I'm
Speaker 4: not certain around if there's any legislation about containing the
Speaker 4: water that's coming off, well, I suppose it all goes
Speaker 4: on the actual condition of the asbestos coated substrate. Obviously
Speaker 4: there's a coating on there, so any washing or preparation
Speaker 4: you're doing the coating you're not actually doing to the
Speaker 4: asbestos substrate. It's different, I suppose if it's uncoated.
Speaker 5: Yes, So if it's got let's assume that there's some
Speaker 5: paint on the air which has started to deteriorate slightly.
Speaker 5: But if what the concern I think that both of
Speaker 5: us would have is that if you were to sort
Speaker 5: of vigorously agitate the surface to clean it, and then
Speaker 5: you release those fibers. Then those fibers should they fall
Speaker 5: on the ground and it dries, then they become from
Speaker 5: it or yeah, that's right, Yeah, that is the issue.
Speaker 5: Probably worth getting some decent advice on that, but maybe
Speaker 5: the gentlest possible approach and then just paint over it.
Speaker 5: It's not a bad way to go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and keep colors light. Yeah, don't go dark so
Speaker 4: absorbs more heat, small bubbles and blisters, which then becomes
Speaker 4: an issue you already knowestos and you can't you're limited
Speaker 4: to the preparation you can do.
Speaker 5: Particularly I guess where you're doing a paint coating over
Speaker 5: an existing one, that adhesion there is going you're going
Speaker 5: to have a lot more problems with really really dark
Speaker 5: colors in terms of it adhering to substruct to the
Speaker 5: old pain.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but going dark and you absorb more heat, which
Speaker 4: puts more stress on the underlying coating, which or the
Speaker 4: on a subject that's potentially quite old, and you could
Speaker 4: just lose adherence and then it starts becoming more of
Speaker 4: an issue for preparation and fixing it.
Speaker 5: Sure, that's an intriguing one. Some people who have a
Speaker 5: stone cottage as an out of stone and central Otago.
Speaker 5: We like the look when the stone is wet. Is
Speaker 5: there something that we can apply to have that look
Speaker 5: all of the time.
Speaker 4: I suppose we've got different concrete clear We've got a
Speaker 4: concrete clear wet look. Yep, there's potentially concrete stain. But
Speaker 4: it'll be trying some different areas in seeing. I mean,
Speaker 4: depending on how absorbent the stone is. If it's not
Speaker 4: very poorous, I'm not sure how well the spaces were penetrating.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how well the concrete clear wet look
Speaker 4: would look or go. Yeah, it also puts a bit
Speaker 4: of a sheene on it, and I would.
Speaker 5: Have just a word of caution around. You know, sometimes
Speaker 5: these claddings work well because they absorb a little bit
Speaker 5: of moisture and then the moisture drains out. And so
Speaker 5: if you then put a barrier that prevents the moisture
Speaker 5: being released from the stone, do you have an issue there?
Speaker 5: So it might be that you just go outside and
Speaker 5: look at your house on rainy days and don't go
Speaker 5: out there when it's sunshine. It sounds like a solution. Now,
Speaker 5: this is one about painting a deck. You said, we're
Speaker 5: getting our house ready to sell. The deck is looking
Speaker 5: a bit sad, and we're thinking, right, paint it? Is
Speaker 5: this wise? And what do we need to consider? Not
Speaker 5: from a real estate point of view, you'd say, if
Speaker 5: you arrive at a property and it looks smart and
Speaker 5: eats a pin, then that's great. But painting decks, we
Speaker 5: need to think about slip resistance, don't we.
Speaker 4: Well, it's also a lot of the issues I've been
Speaker 4: able to in this year the result of people tidying
Speaker 4: up the house to sale without taking into account what's
Speaker 4: already on the In this case, so, yeah, you paint
Speaker 4: it. It looks already good. Then people move in and start
Speaker 4: walking around on it and the paint starts coming off
Speaker 4: because it's not compatible with the stain or the preparation
Speaker 4: wasn't done properly. So again, it's really dependent on what
Speaker 4: was previously on the deck. There's been a number of
Speaker 4: decks I've seen lately that have had a wood oil
Speaker 4: on there or mineral oil, which isn't compatible of anything else.
Speaker 4: So when you start trying to put another stain or
Speaker 4: paint it, areas might said here okay, but other areas
Speaker 4: wouldn't and then when you put table and chairs on
Speaker 4: or stop walking on it, all that paint comes off.
Speaker 4: So my opinion is kind of why not leave it
Speaker 4: for the people moving in to do what they want
Speaker 4: to do with it.
Speaker 5: Clean it thoroughly and leave it clean and leave it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're not generating a headache for the new homeowner.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, unless you know what's on there and then just
Speaker 4: reapply another stain, or if it was previously painted and
Speaker 4: it's just a little bit warm, then repaint it. It
Speaker 4: all goes down to keeping a record of what you've
Speaker 4: previously used or what the previous homeowner used and stay
Speaker 4: with the same system.
Speaker 5: And in that sense, I think you and I probably
Speaker 5: both on the same page when we say have a notebook.
Speaker 5: And I only started doing this a few years ago,
Speaker 5: but you know, for each project that I do, I'll
Speaker 5: and now from my own home as well, I've got
Speaker 5: a notebook in the drawer that I write down all
Speaker 5: of my paints and other bits and pieces as well,
Speaker 5: so you know, I've got to do some repairs and maintenance.
Speaker 5: And I'm thinking, now, did I use a water borne
Speaker 5: and amal there or did I use an oil born enamel.
Speaker 5: Did I use sonics or lumber sider on my exterior?
Speaker 5: And you know sometimes it's all a bit vague, So
Speaker 5: have that notebook, write it down, keep it in the drawer,
Speaker 5: and man, it makes life easier.
Speaker 4: You've got smartphones around, make pictures of the cans, you
Speaker 4: can write notes on that. Keep an album on your
Speaker 4: phone or your laptop or your computer with those details,
Speaker 4: just so you know to use the same things again
Speaker 4: next time.
Speaker 5: Wrap, yeah, photograph the label those sorts of things. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 5: there you go. That's a tip mate, Thanks very much.
Speaker 5: Always good to have you back and enjoy the rest
Speaker 5: of your day.
Speaker 4: You too, All the best.
Speaker 5: Take care. That's Jay from Razine and always good advice
Speaker 5: when you go into the team at Razine color shops
Speaker 5: around the country. So any specific advice that you might need,
Speaker 5: I know we talked about, you know, if you wanted
Speaker 5: to coat over a powder coated surface. There's a bit
Speaker 5: of technical detail and that go into the team at
Speaker 5: Razine color shops around the country. They'll give you all
Speaker 5: the advice and all of the tools and the paint
Speaker 5: you need to do those jobs. It is seven thirty
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Speaker 5: and construction. If you've got a question of a building nature,
Speaker 5: call us now. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
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Speaker 5: News talks EDB your news talk ZB. We're back into building.
Speaker 5: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Sarah,
Speaker 5: good morning, good boarding teat, how are you very well?
Speaker 5: And you good?
Speaker 13: Thank you good. We got a bit of a tricky
Speaker 13: what I just missed the segment with Jay, but we've
Speaker 13: had a building inspectrinal property. They've flagged the roof in
Speaker 13: the gathering. We know the gathering's got to be replaced,
Speaker 13: so then step straightforward. They've suggested maybe either repaint or
Speaker 13: re roof, and that's where we're stuck. We've just had
Speaker 13: two quotes come in for the painting. Yep, we're weighing
Speaker 13: for the reroof quotes, right, twenty thousand dollars including GSP
Speaker 13: to repaint the roof, prep paint scaffolding.
Speaker 5: Ah yeah, yeah, and look.
Speaker 13: We understand the scaffholdings a big part of it. We
Speaker 13: understand it makes sense gathering done at the same time,
Speaker 13: but it's just twenty thous.
Speaker 5: So the twenty thousand includes replacing the spouting as well. No, no, okay,
Speaker 5: but if you were going to scaffold, so the scaffolding
Speaker 5: is there, essentially is edge protection, right, So contractors, as
Speaker 5: part of their responsibility in terms of health and safety,
Speaker 5: have to ensure that they've got a way of managing
Speaker 5: the risk of being on the roof. Now, to be fair,
Speaker 5: that doesn't necessarily always have to include scaffolding. So depending
Speaker 5: on the amount of time that they might have to
Speaker 5: spend on the roof, having a harness or another system
Speaker 5: is also a way of managing that risk. Right, So
Speaker 5: you know, maybe you want to get another quote. Maybe
Speaker 5: there's another contractor who uses a different approach and zone
Speaker 5: so it doesn't have to have the scaffolding and uses
Speaker 5: harnesses that sort of thing. It is a two story
Speaker 5: ah radio, yes, So.
Speaker 13: Basically it's five thousand for the scaffold, plus plus weekly
Speaker 13: hire a four hundred plus GST. So look, I understand
Speaker 13: that's a big component. We have a go with what
Speaker 13: we've had. Two quotes now they're the same, so it's
Speaker 13: telling us at the same cost.
Speaker 5: It's yeah, what.
Speaker 13: We're wondering, are we better just to re roof. It's
Speaker 13: a color steel RoAF, Yep, it's twenty seven years old. Yep,
Speaker 13: you can paint it. That's not going to stop anything
Speaker 13: if we have a problem down the track. Are we
Speaker 13: better to I don't know. It might be another ten thousand,
Speaker 13: Pay another ten thousand or fifteen and get the roof done.
Speaker 5: It just comes down to budget, right, So it does
Speaker 5: actually make a lot of sense to do the research
Speaker 5: and then you can make a fully informed decision because
Speaker 5: you're right. You could spend the twenty grand now and
Speaker 5: paint it and find that in five years time, you know,
Speaker 5: the roof reaches the end of its life and you
Speaker 5: have to replace it, in which case the twenty grands
Speaker 5: wasted in a sense, or you know, in some cases
Speaker 5: you might find that the addition, you know, treatment of
Speaker 5: any rust if there is any, and then a really
Speaker 5: good quality paint job will extend the life of it
Speaker 5: fifteen or twenty years time, in which case the twenty
Speaker 5: grand is a worthwhile investment.
Speaker 13: Money well spend exactly. And that's the dilemma, because yes,
Speaker 13: we can afford to put a new roof on. But
Speaker 13: we've probably offered too much on the property in the
Speaker 13: first place.
Speaker 5: Right to secure it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and then you look at it.
Speaker 5: You know, from a purely commercial point of view, where
Speaker 5: we go, Okay, so let's say it's going to cost
Speaker 5: me forty five thousand dollars to reroof it, and I
Speaker 5: might be here for three or four years or five years,
Speaker 5: and then I'm going to sell it. And the person
Speaker 5: who gets the benefit is the next is it going
Speaker 5: to add value to the house? Will I? Will I
Speaker 5: get that back later on? That's also part of your
Speaker 5: decision making.
Speaker 13: That's a very important point tonight. I think based on that,
Speaker 13: that's that's probably given us a clarity we need. You're
Speaker 13: right for restyle down the track. Actually better to pay
Speaker 13: a little bit more now because obviously it would cost
Speaker 13: you a lot more and as you say, five seven
Speaker 13: years time, if you're still there and then you've got
Speaker 13: to reroof then yeah, look, and.
Speaker 5: It depends on much, isn't it what your intention is
Speaker 5: for the You know, do you intend to stay in
Speaker 5: the house for the next ten or fifteen years, in
Speaker 5: which case we.
Speaker 13: Do expect to stay there for ten that's our retirement
Speaker 13: at the last step. But it just came. These things
Speaker 13: always commonly feel, don't they pet We just thought, oh great,
Speaker 13: it's only going to be a little bit of minor
Speaker 13: maintenance and we're still in the house. It'll be perfect.
Speaker 13: So we just went in thinking, right, we're going to
Speaker 13: secure it, and we probably have overpaid, but I mean
Speaker 13: we're still under conditions, so I guess we can still negotiate.
Speaker 13: But I do want the house. We haven't purchased it yet, so.
Speaker 5: Ah, okay, well that changes the dynamic that as well.
Speaker 13: Yeah, we've got till the middle of next week to
Speaker 13: make a decision. We're either go unconditional or we pull out.
Speaker 5: Have you asked for a contractor to give you a
Speaker 5: price for reroofing.
Speaker 13: I'm just waiting for that to come. Okay as well,
Speaker 13: we've got one the main companies actually through Aukland. This
Speaker 13: is actually in the South Island when the job's being done.
Speaker 13: But we're hoping to get that quote on Monday or Tuesday.
Speaker 13: It'll come in the nick of time. Yes, without looking
Speaker 13: at it, they've sort of quoted thirty thousand, maybe thirty
Speaker 13: five to re roof. Yep, but we've had hit the
Speaker 13: guy on site now, so we're just waiting. It's just,
Speaker 13: you know, it's an Edmund thing. Now he's submitted as findings.
Speaker 13: We're just waiting for that report to come through.
Speaker 5: Look, the great thing is that you've given yourself some
Speaker 5: runway to make these decisions. You're full and making a
Speaker 5: fully informed decision is the great thing. Yes, yes, let
Speaker 5: us know how you get on.
Speaker 14: I will.
Speaker 13: We still want the house, but we want to do
Speaker 13: the right thing. We've got a little bit spere. Look,
Speaker 13: I think it makes perfect sense to re roAP it.
Speaker 5: Also right now feels like it's a bit of a
Speaker 5: buyer's market. So you know, you're probably in not a
Speaker 5: bad position.
Speaker 13: To no one else around it? Don't we keep asking
Speaker 13: the agent have there been any other offers? Are there
Speaker 13: any other interest at the.
Speaker 12: Stage, it's no, Yeah, yeah, I mean we've.
Speaker 13: Gone fifty thousand over there have they? Maybe it was
Speaker 13: a bit silly, we should have gone and it asking,
Speaker 13: but we just wanted to secure it, right, must add
Speaker 13: on to so many other properties.
Speaker 5: But you know, hey, good luck, good luck. Alright, you
Speaker 5: take care of you and Mary? How are you.
Speaker 11: Sorry? Is that Mary?
Speaker 5: It is Mary Greeting?
Speaker 14: Sorry, I was.
Speaker 11: Just taking you off the speaker. I wanted to ask
Speaker 11: you about roof or soft events. Yes, nineteen sixties house
Speaker 11: haven't got any events at all. A concrete tile are roofing.
Speaker 11: I just wondered how effective are they for that's reducing
Speaker 11: heat in the summer, and what effects it would they
Speaker 11: have in the winter, right, I.
Speaker 5: Mean concrete tile roofs. The one thing we know about
Speaker 5: them is that they're pretty drafty. Right, So you know
Speaker 5: if you said to me it was an iron roof
Speaker 5: with building underlay and so on, then there might be
Speaker 5: an advantage to Increasingly we're starting to do ventilated ridge caps, right.
Speaker 5: That mean air that's underneath and that heats up underneath
Speaker 5: the iron has somewhere to vent at the top. But
Speaker 5: if you've got a concrete tile roof, regardless of age,
Speaker 5: regardless of color, will have you know, so many gaps
Speaker 5: and cracks in it that allows for airflow that adding
Speaker 5: additional vents to a concrete tile roof is probably pointless
Speaker 5: because and I mean if you ever go up there, well,
Speaker 5: what's really intriguing, particularly if it's one that's over a
Speaker 5: certain degree you don't need to have a roofing underlay
Speaker 5: is put a light up there and go outside at nighttime,
Speaker 5: turn the light on and go outside and have a
Speaker 5: look at your roof. It'll look like a constellation of
Speaker 5: stars that you will see so much light it's quite remarkable. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: there will be lots of air flow already there, which
Speaker 5: actually might be a problem for a whole lot of
Speaker 5: other things. But in terms of ventilation, there will be
Speaker 5: plenty of ventilation in that underneath that concrete roof.
Speaker 11: Oh that's great, that's nice to know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, to be fair, that's good in one circumstance. It's
Speaker 5: not particularly good in other circumstances. But let's not worry
Speaker 5: about that right now.
Speaker 11: All right, okay, all.
Speaker 8: The very best.
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Speaker 1: Whether you're paty with ceiling fixings or wondering how to
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Speaker 5: This morning, we've got a chance to catch up with
Speaker 5: Mark Haldane from sweet Water Construction, based in the far
Speaker 5: North up in Kaitai. Mark is going to give us
Speaker 5: a bit of a rundown on his experience with the
Speaker 5: j and OL try board panel housing and jframe. So Mark,
Speaker 5: thanks very much for joining us. Let's get started with
Speaker 5: the triboard panel housing construction. What are the key advantages
Speaker 5: from your perspective.
Speaker 15: A couple of key advantages are the efficiency of the panel.
Speaker 15: A lot of the works done off site, so once
Speaker 15: we actually get them to site, it just makes it
Speaker 15: so much more efficient, I guess to stand it in
Speaker 15: constructor houses.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 15: Another one is the waste. It's just yeah, way less
Speaker 15: waste on sites. That makes it less you know, environmental
Speaker 15: factor of that and yeah.
Speaker 5: Cough, okay, hey, Now in terms of tryboard, let's say
Speaker 5: over conventional framing, those advantages you talk about the speed,
Speaker 5: the lack of waste, those sorts of things. What other advantages.
Speaker 15: The strength it's super strong a so yeah, in terms
Speaker 15: of bracing elements and you know, have you got tenants
Speaker 15: or kids or something like that, they can save you
Speaker 15: a few dollars of repairs.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. And now understanding that you're also collaborating with Vincent
Speaker 5: Garten from Strand Homes and Kaitia. How's that working out?
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's fantastic to be working with you know, supply
Speaker 15: like that. They kind of and do house and land packages,
Speaker 15: so it just makes it, yeah, very easy to working
Speaker 15: with them. And yeah, built some houses up here.
Speaker 5: Awesome. Another part of what Jane Old you can do
Speaker 5: is Jframe the LVL. Now I've been using it for
Speaker 5: about at least fifteen years or so. You'll switch to Jframe.
Speaker 5: How have you found that?
Speaker 6: Yes, it's been fantastic.
Speaker 15: We've only I've just done my first house out of it,
Speaker 15: and yeah it's a good size house and it's yeah,
Speaker 15: it's very straight and strong, which is hasn't been you know,
Speaker 15: twisting and buying like like the pink stuff normally does.
Speaker 5: If other chippies are thinking about moving from conventional framing
Speaker 5: to jframe, what would be your top tip given that
Speaker 5: you've just swapped over.
Speaker 15: A nice service now going because it's a bit harder
Speaker 15: to shuldenter than the soft tank stuff, right, and actually
Speaker 15: you're locked after your now going and it's yeah, ready
Speaker 15: to go and it goes sweep.
Speaker 5: So that's brilliant. Hey, and you know twenty twenty four,
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three, to some degree, has been pretty tough
Speaker 5: for chippies. For you and the team at Sweetwater Construction,
Speaker 5: what does twenty twenty five look like?
Speaker 15: Probably the highest priorities punishing off on these pretty cool
Speaker 15: projects we've got going at the moment. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 15: few clear bit of work that was stuck into at
Speaker 15: the moment. Just yeah, just ticking those boxes and making
Speaker 15: sure we finish those projects are the best best as
Speaker 15: we can.
Speaker 5: So awesome. Hey, thanks for joining us this morning and
Speaker 5: really appreciate the insights and hope that this year works
Speaker 5: out really well for you. To check out Mark's work,
Speaker 5: have a look at Sweetwaterconstruction dot co dot nz. To
Speaker 5: learn more about Tryboard and Jaframe, go to JNL dot
Speaker 5: co dot nz your newstalk CB. It was great to
Speaker 5: catch up with Mark Sweetwater Construction. Check him out and
Speaker 5: if you want to see more about jaframe, which is
Speaker 5: an ALVL framing timber, or about tryboard, checkout JNL dot
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Speaker 5: Right, Oh, good morning, welcome along to the show Resident
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Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
Speaker 5: to call plan US. Good morning to you.
Speaker 16: How are you, my friend?
Speaker 5: I'm well and yourself not too good.
Speaker 16: I've got skin cancer on my left hand. So that's
Speaker 16: a different story. Yes, it's a new policy that's going
Speaker 16: in with the crylic nylon I mean, well and acrylic carpet. Well,
Speaker 16: it's not a policing plan. House a crilic downstairs and
Speaker 16: one upstairs. Yep, the house. The house is not built
Speaker 16: on foundation. It's built on the ground because it used
Speaker 16: to be a quarry in this house and the old
Speaker 16: place concrete, the old fashion, remember the old fiber light
Speaker 16: houses they used to build during the war, those prefab
Speaker 16: type houses housing cook ones. Basically, I'm wanting to know
Speaker 16: when they're changing from acrylic to wool because they reckon
Speaker 16: that these carpets are not the best of policy to them.
Speaker 5: Okay, now, how we've got to take a couple of
Speaker 5: steps back. As best I understand it, it's nothing about policy.
Speaker 5: Where the story has come from and where it's got
Speaker 5: some traction is I think it was it was KO
Speaker 5: and at one stage I think it was the Ministry
Speaker 5: of education as well basically excluded the possibility of installing
Speaker 5: wool carpet. Right, they just went right for our buildings,
Speaker 5: particularly KAO kind of what they went, Look, we're just
Speaker 5: not going to entertain offers to install wool carpet. We're
Speaker 5: just going to exclude it. Now. That struck me as foolish.
Speaker 5: And so the story that's been in the news this
Speaker 5: week is that there's been a policy change in terms
Speaker 5: of procurement. This is not legislation. This is kind of,
Speaker 5: I guess, an internal procurement decision made by a government
Speaker 5: body that it might be their policy, but there's no
Speaker 5: legislation around it. It doesn't impact you and I. You
Speaker 5: and I when we go out and choose what type
Speaker 5: of carpet we'd like to put in our house, can
Speaker 5: choose from anything that's available. Just by the bye, I
Speaker 5: think it was foolish their previous decision to exclude wool
Speaker 5: carpet or the possibility of having wool. Now they have
Speaker 5: an opportunity to tender to prove that their products is
Speaker 5: good as or better than and in which case that's
Speaker 5: what the market's all about. So but you and I
Speaker 5: as homeowners can do whatever we like.
Speaker 16: Maybe I should just get a carpet on a rug
Speaker 16: on top of this one. But why shouldn't I have
Speaker 16: to go out and buy a great big rug, spend
Speaker 16: all that money on putting a nice wall, but on
Speaker 16: top of stair campet when it should be it's only
Speaker 16: a small area, should be uple listed and had it
Speaker 16: because underneath it is just sitting on the concrete. There's
Speaker 16: no insulation underneath it.
Speaker 5: Are you in kind of ordering housing?
Speaker 16: I have told him, I've told them many times I've
Speaker 16: been here five years, and they said, no, you have
Speaker 16: to go out and buy new carpet for you right
Speaker 16: on top of this. But I said no.
Speaker 5: And that might be sort of a whether they have
Speaker 5: their own policy, and they've probably got a policy around
Speaker 5: at what point do we need to replace this in
Speaker 5: terms of being a good landlord, and at what point
Speaker 5: do you as the occupant have a choice around Well,
Speaker 5: I'd like to upgrade it, but then you surely you
Speaker 5: need their approval. But thankfully now in terms of new
Speaker 5: bills and possibly even in terms of schools, there is
Speaker 5: a possibility that will get wool carpet into some of
Speaker 5: those spaces, which when that's our industry that's great. Good
Speaker 5: luck with all of that. Len Us and Kent a
Speaker 5: very good morning to you.
Speaker 14: Good morning, hey, good to speak to you and to you.
Speaker 5: How can I help?
Speaker 14: Right, I've got a nineteen seventy two brick and tile
Speaker 14: flats and yeah, the hose came off the washing machine
Speaker 14: about a week ago, and yeah, so a big, big
Speaker 14: flood on the floor and where it is, it's it's
Speaker 14: up against an internal war and I've got it so
Speaker 14: nineteen seventy two, but it's got the particle board underneath.
Speaker 10: Yep.
Speaker 14: So I've been under the house looked at it, and yes,
Speaker 14: it was. It was wet for or at least three
Speaker 14: days in most places, but about a week to dry out.
Speaker 14: A good portion of it has gone weekbix, a little
Speaker 14: bit of a week bix vibe. But it's it still
Speaker 14: seems reasonably solid, which isn't so bad, except my concern
Speaker 14: is that there's an internal wall sitting on.
Speaker 5: Top of on top of the particle right, yes.
Speaker 14: In the sense it's it's not fully structural but semi structural.
Speaker 14: And I'm just wondering if there's any risk whether I
Speaker 14: should claim insurance as a repairable because it would be
Speaker 14: quite difficult to get the wood out from under that
Speaker 14: internal board.
Speaker 5: I guess that from funnily enough, it sounds a little
Speaker 5: bit like a situation that I had to look at
Speaker 5: during the course of this week. Now it was a
Speaker 5: slightly later building, but they still had particle board flaws
Speaker 5: and it ran under an en suite, which is the
Speaker 5: sort of thing that we don't do anymore. But when
Speaker 5: I first started building, that's you just use particle board
Speaker 5: through the whole house and you put your bathrooms on
Speaker 5: top of it, and you know, we've kind of learned
Speaker 5: from that. So and in this instance, there is some
Speaker 5: decay and obvious swelling of the of the particle board,
Speaker 5: indicating that there's there might be some structural issues later on.
Speaker 5: But I think that that might be because the leak
Speaker 5: was not discovered for a number of months and it
Speaker 5: stayed saturated. So I think in your situation where you
Speaker 5: have a failure, you have water, and then you identify
Speaker 5: it and you remediate it quickly by drying it out,
Speaker 5: especially if you had a dehumidifier in there, and then
Speaker 5: you keep the dehumidifier running until you find that you're
Speaker 5: not collecting much water. Right, So, even where the particle
Speaker 5: board flooring is kind of trapped by the bottom plate.
Speaker 5: Moisture will still evaporate from there through the use of
Speaker 5: the dehumidifier, and even if there's some surface swelling, which
Speaker 5: is not unexpected. You know, I don't know that one
Speaker 5: event of flood damage would cause or provide the sort
Speaker 5: of environment for structural decay. I think typically what you
Speaker 5: see where you have particle board floors that are failing
Speaker 5: is there's been a leak at the bottom of the
Speaker 5: shower through the waterproofing, and it's been like that for
Speaker 5: a couple of years. And I've certainly seen those. I've
Speaker 5: been in buildings where I've literally put my foot right
Speaker 5: through the floor right it's been that saturated for that
Speaker 5: amount of time. But I think a one off event
Speaker 5: and then you've been able to identify it and remediate
Speaker 5: it quickly. I actually don't know that I would be
Speaker 5: terribly concerned if you wanted to sort of take a
Speaker 5: real belt embraces approach, if there's access and it's thoroughly
Speaker 5: dry before you close it all in again, you could
Speaker 5: treat the area with like a timber preservative, and there
Speaker 5: is a number of those on the market that might
Speaker 5: that's a sensible precautionary approach. But I think that in
Speaker 5: your circumstance, I'd probably just ensure that it's really really dry,
Speaker 5: like leave the dehumidifire running for as long as you
Speaker 5: possibly can, monitor how much water you're collecting, and once
Speaker 5: it reduces and stays down, I'd carry on repair it
Speaker 5: and close it in again.
Speaker 14: Okay, yeah, I haven't. I haven't opened anything out as such.
Speaker 14: I do have good access under the house.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, Well, let's see. It's hard running a
Speaker 5: dehumidifier in an open space because essentially you're trying to
Speaker 5: dehumidify the world. But in an open space in an
Speaker 5: Auckland these days, it's pretty hard to do. But in
Speaker 5: an open space you've also got lots of ventilation, right,
Speaker 5: so there will be natural drying that occurs as well.
Speaker 5: And again I just want to labor the point. You know,
Speaker 5: the one off exposure to water through a flood or
Speaker 5: a leak is quite different to prolonged exposure over a
Speaker 5: period of time.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yes, okay, there's I'm just wondering if there was
Speaker 14: perhaps starting to be mold forming. I just saw a
Speaker 14: little little few spots of lights and.
Speaker 4: You can treat that.
Speaker 5: That would be sensible.
Speaker 14: And wouldn't that be an indication I mean, I guess
Speaker 14: that appears in the short term, but longer term that
Speaker 14: might be any indication that the water is sticking around.
Speaker 14: But I'm pretty sure it's all gone. I mean within
Speaker 14: a week it was to touch.
Speaker 5: I think what you might find is that, yes, the
Speaker 5: moisture will provide the environment for the mold to grow,
Speaker 5: but where as the moisture disappears, then the mold it's
Speaker 5: not an attractive place. It's not an attractive environment, and
Speaker 5: if you treat it, that should disappear as well.
Speaker 14: Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, okay, all rank you okay.
Speaker 14: And for something for something like this, is that the
Speaker 14: kind of thing if if I was concerned, if it did,
Speaker 14: if it was very crumbly, then this an insurance job.
Speaker 14: It's the kind of thing they'll look at.
Speaker 10: You know that.
Speaker 5: That's a very good point because you know, and we've
Speaker 5: had this discussion around insurance a lot. There is gradual
Speaker 5: damage which is typically excluded, and then there's an event, right,
Speaker 5: and insurance is about accidents, is my view of it.
Speaker 5: So there's been a failure, pipe burst, whatever, it's not
Speaker 5: in your control, and so you've had this event. So
Speaker 5: I guess what you're doing is sort of future proofing yourself.
Speaker 5: So I would hoard everything that you've seen photographer, note
Speaker 5: the time, explain what you did, keep that on record,
Speaker 5: because what you're saying is, let's say in two or
Speaker 5: three years time, you find that, in fact, the damage
Speaker 5: is extensive, the floor is unsound, and then you go
Speaker 5: back to the insurer and the insurer goes, oh, no,
Speaker 5: that's because it's gradual damage. You want to be able
Speaker 5: to prevent them, or you want a response to that,
Speaker 5: which is though here's the event that caused it. Now
Speaker 5: they could possibly then go, well, you should have told
Speaker 5: us at the time, we would have repaired it then.
Speaker 5: But at least you've got some information. Okay, Yeah, all right,
Speaker 5: good luck with that. All the very best to you,
Speaker 5: take care, Thank you. All right, we're going to take
Speaker 5: short break. We'll talk to Jeff after the break. We
Speaker 5: probably have time for one more call as well of
Speaker 5: a building nature before we jump into the garden. With
Speaker 5: reclaim passed at around eight point thirty this morning, back
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Speaker 5: News talk zeb your news talk so be just an
Speaker 5: interesting text that's come through. Actually two just around insurance
Speaker 5: adele text. I won't mention the name of the insurer,
Speaker 5: but it's interesting. My new insurance policy includes some cover
Speaker 5: for gradual damage, but there is a premium increase as well.
Speaker 5: Interesting one many and then another text saying many insurers
Speaker 5: consider a burst washing machine supply pipe to be a
Speaker 5: foreseeable event because they're supposed to be replaced regularly, and
Speaker 5: yet nobody does. Jeez, I might have to go home
Speaker 5: and check as well. My washing machine user guide says
Speaker 5: to replace them every twelve months. Ronicky, I'll better go
Speaker 5: and have a look at the warranty online. I've mentioned
Speaker 5: this couple of times that it was my intent to
Speaker 5: get We had a really interesting conversation. We have lots
Speaker 5: of interesting conversations, but one that sticks in my mind
Speaker 5: is around a contractor who had insurance but wanted the
Speaker 5: homeowner to pay the excess in the event that there
Speaker 5: was a claim in the future. It got very complicated,
Speaker 5: but it got me thinking around homeowners, you and I,
Speaker 5: when do we need to inform our insurer if we're
Speaker 5: doing some alterations. What are the questions you, as a
Speaker 5: homeowner or as a client for a contractor working on
Speaker 5: your house, need to ask them about the types of
Speaker 5: insurance that they should have to ensure that they're covered,
Speaker 5: but also that you're covered what's the overlap between their
Speaker 5: policy and your policy? All of these sorts of things. Anyway,
Speaker 5: I've managed to get a conversation going with some insurers
Speaker 5: and I'm hoping in the next couple of weeks that
Speaker 5: will have a claims expert on to talk about the
Speaker 5: types of insurances that you and I need as homeowners
Speaker 5: when we're engaging contractors to do work. So we'll see
Speaker 5: where that gets to ride. Oh, Jeff, a very good
Speaker 5: morning to you. Good thanks.
Speaker 8: Hey, I've just got a question for you. We've just
Speaker 8: taken kind of sort of over a rental property that
Speaker 8: we had built in twenty twelve.
Speaker 4: Yep, and that.
Speaker 5: I tell you what what we might need to do.
Speaker 5: Because I'm just losing you there. We might try on
Speaker 5: another line because I'm struggling to hear Jeff Isaiah, if
Speaker 5: you could maybe get him to call back, and we'll
Speaker 5: still have time to deal with that prior to swapping over.
Speaker 5: Now someone Carol has taxed through. Hey, I missed you
Speaker 5: talking about the three D home hope not. Yes, I
Speaker 5: did mention it briefly. So one of the things I
Speaker 5: got a chance to do. I was invited to go
Speaker 5: and have a look at a factory tour of a
Speaker 5: three D printed facility. Now I've met the team before
Speaker 5: and I've I've seen the outcome. I've never actually seen
Speaker 5: the machine sort of moving around. They didn't do a
Speaker 5: live print, but they did do a sort of a
Speaker 5: drive run, so you can see how the machine will
Speaker 5: extrude out a very strong sort of mortar cement mix.
Speaker 5: It's about forty MPa when it dries, and it drives
Speaker 5: in about two or three minutes, so you imagine it
Speaker 5: extruding essentially a bead of concrete out onto a shape,
Speaker 5: so there's no form work, it just works its way
Speaker 5: out and builds these walls in the factory. In this case,
Speaker 5: they were then transplanted or transported to a site established there.
Speaker 5: There's some insulation and then there's some reinforcing obviously, and
Speaker 5: then the roof was put over the top and that's
Speaker 5: now open as a show home. So if you're curious
Speaker 5: about these sorts of things, as I am, it's out
Speaker 5: in Rottkari, just on the outskirts of Hamilton, CBD. Iconic
Speaker 5: three D are the company that built the house, and
Speaker 5: they used the three D puting machine at EUROS which
Speaker 5: is pretty cool system. So yeah, it's there if you
Speaker 5: want to go and have a look like I did
Speaker 5: last week. It was quite nice to see both sides
Speaker 5: of the House represented. Actually, Minister Chris Pink, who we've
Speaker 5: had on this show was there at the factory tour
Speaker 5: and came along to the open home, as did I
Speaker 5: guess his colleague from the other side of the house, Williams,
Speaker 5: Member of Parliament for I think it's Papatoi or South
Speaker 5: Auckland somewhere. So that was good to see both sides
Speaker 5: of the House represent and good to see them out
Speaker 5: and about looking at what's available as well. That reminds
Speaker 5: me too that we will get Chris Pink back on
Speaker 5: the show in the next couple of weeks as well
Speaker 5: to talk about what the current government's doing in terms
Speaker 5: of all the talk about winding back H one, consenting
Speaker 5: self regulation, all of that will get an update from
Speaker 5: the Minister in the next couple of weeks. Jeff, get
Speaker 5: a there we go, can you?
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 5: So Rins will probably twenty twelve purchase how old's the.
Speaker 8: Building where it was built in twenty twelve.
Speaker 5: Built in twenty twelve, yep, And.
Speaker 8: We've we've just got back into it for the first
Speaker 8: time since it's been rented out for all of that
Speaker 8: period of time.
Speaker 5: Okay, so you've moved into it yourselves.
Speaker 13: Yes, No, we're.
Speaker 8: Actually just kind of sort of looking a little bit of.
Speaker 5: Juice and sell it on, Yes, scotcha.
Speaker 8: So basically, in kind of sort of the very it's
Speaker 8: on a concrete pad the very back corner where the
Speaker 8: window is for one of the bedrooms, I'm kind of
Speaker 8: guessing that the concrete head must have kind of sort
Speaker 8: of moved very, very slightly in the masonry. If you
Speaker 8: can imagine, it's like a z crack the masonry and
Speaker 8: it goes down for maybe three or four bricks. It
Speaker 8: doesn't go all the way to the floor. I'm wondering
Speaker 8: what I can do to repair that.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's not uncommon and old to houses,
Speaker 5: but if it's a house that was built in twenty
Speaker 5: twelve to modern building code, I wouldn't necessarily have expected
Speaker 5: to see that, you know, like there's sort of a tolerance,
Speaker 5: let's say for older buildings where maybe the regulations around
Speaker 5: depth of embedment, type of concrete, amount of reinforcing slab construction,
Speaker 5: et cetera. Is less than what it is today, but
Speaker 5: twenty twelve is relatively recent. So while I wouldn't be
Speaker 5: too alarmist, I think that minor cracking occurs, right, But
Speaker 5: if you genuinely think that there's actually some subsidence to
Speaker 5: that corner of the building, is it on a slope
Speaker 5: or something like that, or do you think it's just
Speaker 5: ground movement and subsidence in the slab settling of it.
Speaker 8: I think it's just I mean, it is on very surface,
Speaker 8: so I think it is just the the slab has
Speaker 8: just moved very, very slightly.
Speaker 5: Which again it really shouldn't you know. Like again, if
Speaker 5: you were saying, I've got this nineteen fifties or ninety
Speaker 5: and sixties house and I've got a couple of cracks
Speaker 5: in it, you go, yeah, okay, fair enough. But my
Speaker 5: sense is it's probably nothing. But I actually think that,
Speaker 5: given you're the owner, I would be inclined to go
Speaker 5: to a structural engineer and have them do a survey
Speaker 5: of it, and possibly even have some gear tech guys
Speaker 5: just do a test of the ground or whether the
Speaker 5: structural engineer would be able to identify some movement, maybe
Speaker 5: even get someone to come inside with a laser and measure.
Speaker 5: If there's any actual movement in the floor slab would
Speaker 5: be interesting to know. Again, I don't want to be
Speaker 5: too alarmist, but I'm just concerned because it's only thirteen
Speaker 5: years old.
Speaker 10: Yep.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think it would be worth spending the
Speaker 5: money to get an engineer to have a look at it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I meanwithstanding that, but I mean, would there be
Speaker 8: a book that I could use?
Speaker 5: Look, yes, there is so if you have a look
Speaker 5: at Maine Mark. They are probably the largest firm that
Speaker 5: do this type of work where you can inject eurothane
Speaker 5: foam into the ground underneath and that will fill any
Speaker 5: of the voids and if it needs to be lifted,
Speaker 5: you can actually lift buildings with that injected system. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so there is a fix as well.
Speaker 8: Okay, no worries, I'll and that was main Mark.
Speaker 5: Yes, Main Mark. You'll find them online.
Speaker 8: Okay, thanks for that, all the very.
Speaker 5: Best, Thank you very much. Take care, Jeff. Right, we're
Speaker 5: going to change gear. We're going to jump into the
Speaker 5: garden back in a.
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