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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from news Talks at b Meason twice God once, but

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Speaker 1: maybe called Pete first. Peter wolf Camp, the Resident Builder

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Speaker 1: News Talk said by.

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Speaker 2: The house is a hole even when it's.

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Speaker 3: Dark, even when the grass is overgrown in the yard,

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Speaker 3: and even when the dog is.

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Speaker 2: Too old to bar, and when you're sitting at the

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Speaker 2: table trying not to starve, scissor home even.

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Speaker 3: When we are benn even when you're therellone.

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Speaker 2: House is a home even when there's gone, Even.

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Speaker 4: When you go around funnel one, you love your more.

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Speaker 2: Scream does broken pans appeing in funnel locals vestible when

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Speaker 2: they're gone, leaving the neighbors, even when we'll run, even

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Speaker 2: when you're there alone.

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Speaker 5: Well, a very good morning and welcome along to the

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Speaker 5: Resident Builder on Sunday with me Peter wolf Camp, the

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Speaker 5: Resident Builder. And this is your opportunity to have a

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Speaker 5: good old fashioned chin wag about projects that you might

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Speaker 5: have on. And a project might involve the people involved,

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Speaker 5: the contractors, subcontractors, designers, litigants, neighbors, et cetera. It might

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Speaker 5: involve the the items that you need, the products that

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Speaker 5: you might need to complete a task. It might even

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Speaker 5: involve the items that you need in order to actually

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Speaker 5: undertake the work. I the tools that you might need.

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Speaker 5: It might be the rules and regulations. It may well

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Speaker 5: be some of the issues and challenges that come along

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Speaker 5: as an inevitable part of building and construction. So it's

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Speaker 5: all there on the table today. Eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 5: ten eighty is the number to call if you've got

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Speaker 5: a building question, call us now. Quick rundown of the show.

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Speaker 5: This morning, Jay Sharples, our razine painting expert, will join

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Speaker 5: us for the first time this year. We had his

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Speaker 5: colleague Bryce on the show a little while ago, so

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Speaker 5: Jay I'll be with us at around seven twenty this morning.

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Speaker 5: If you've got any specific painting questions and please text

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Speaker 5: them through to nine to nine two, which is SAIDBZB

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Speaker 5: on your mobile phone. A little later, we're going to

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Speaker 5: catch up with Mark Haldane from Sweetwater Construction and just

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Speaker 5: Jnel's jayframe as well, so we're quick chat about that.

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Speaker 5: As always, is available from eight point thirty this morning,

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Speaker 5: so the lines are open. The number to call eight

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Speaker 5: hundred and eighty ten eighty. I'll give you a bit

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Speaker 5: of a rundown of what I've been up to as well,

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Speaker 5: a week of I was going to say, contrasts in

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Speaker 5: the sense that I went to a seminar. It's got

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Speaker 5: to be at least ten years ago. It might even

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Speaker 5: be a little bit longer than that, excuse me. And

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Speaker 5: the one of the ideas that was introduced, and it

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Speaker 5: our head, which is, you know, house New Zealand. I'll

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Speaker 5: tell her it's a single dwelling on a piece of

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Speaker 5: at the at the front, et cetera. And our housing

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Speaker 5: types are more varied than that, and our housing in

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Speaker 5: There is this spectrum and most of our housing sits

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Speaker 5: somewhere in the middle, if you know, the old Bell

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Speaker 5: both ends of that spectrum over the course of the week. Confusing,

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Speaker 5: The number to call eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Trust

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Speaker 5: that you've had a good week and what have we

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Speaker 5: got this week? Of course, couple of days of work

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Speaker 6: Yeah, h Pete's ready here.

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Speaker 7: Rung your cup God, rung you a couple of times

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Speaker 7: regarding this issue.

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Speaker 6: Last time just before Christmas.

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Speaker 7: Just a reminder, we bought a show home with a

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Speaker 7: Rang the builder went down there because it's a long

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Speaker 7: not our problem. While he was while while I was

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Speaker 6: So he had a look at that, and you know,

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Speaker 7: Anyway, after months of discussions, we got no where. Went

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Speaker 8: So I rang you before Christmas.

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Speaker 7: You advised maybe getting a building surveyor, and so we

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Speaker 7: went to our insurance company, which the builder wanted us

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Speaker 6: They produced two reports.

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Speaker 7: Stating that the tiling and the bathrooms both bathrooms was

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Speaker 7: the meantime we got the property file and having been

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Speaker 7: And then there was another major problem where all the

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Speaker 7: still not really agreeing with anything that was said. So

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Speaker 7: after that meeting, the tyler left and we promptly took

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Speaker 6: Quite down, and I think he had a few sleepless nights.

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Speaker 7: Anyway, we met again about a week later, which was

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Speaker 7: And you know, it's taken six months of absolute you know, stress.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, you know, but we finally got where we

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Speaker 5: And I can understand from your point of view, Wow,

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Speaker 5: I suppose contrasting it to other situations, I understand, and

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Speaker 7: I think we realizes that, you know, he's been sort

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Speaker 7: admit if you're looking at coverent with insurance, you are

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Speaker 7: not allowed to admit that you're at fault because that's

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Speaker 7: the way insurance works. Yeah, you know, and that's it's

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Speaker 7: very frustrating when you. You know, you sort of got

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Speaker 7: not my problem, not my problem, you know, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Because you're right, his his insurer. And look, it's no

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Speaker 5: for example, you know, surer would say, don't admit liability, right,

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Speaker 5: take it responsibility. Look, I think I know it's it's

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Speaker 5: been a bit of a tortuous approach. I'm certainly delighted that.

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Speaker 5: I guess the beauty of getting you know, making it

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Speaker 5: evidence based. Right, So you've done the right thing. You've

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Speaker 5: gone out to a building professional, I a registered building server.

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Speaker 6: It's cost us thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 5: I can imagine, yep. And and will those costs be reimbursed?

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Speaker 5: I suppose you'd look at that and just go, look,

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Speaker 6: And yeah, he suggested possibly.

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Speaker 5: Okay, again, if it's through insurance, it probably should be.

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Speaker 5: But the so, the constructor who did the work all

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Speaker 5: those years ago obviously has insurance for his work, and

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Speaker 7: Covers it or we don't know. But I been talking

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Speaker 5: So they might come to the party as well.

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Speaker 6: Where he's going.

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Speaker 7: The tyler apparently has insurance, so they've been discussing.

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Speaker 6: The tiler's been discussed with his insurance.

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Speaker 7: Or but again I don't know whether their insurance covers it.

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Speaker 5: To be honest, it will be really really interesting. Hey,

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Speaker 5: I really do appreciate the update because I think, yeah,

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Speaker 5: there's there's a lot of really good lessons in it.

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Speaker 5: But I'm particularly delighted at the fact that I suppose

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Speaker 5: by presenting evidence. You know, so often when we go

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Speaker 5: into these sorts of discussions, it's like I think, or

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Speaker 5: you know, I think it should be better or whatever.

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Speaker 5: But in this case, when you can go here, I've

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Speaker 5: had a registered building surveyor who has this qualification in

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Speaker 5: order to prove their ability to make these comments. And

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Speaker 5: here is the evidence. This is what's been done. This

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Speaker 5: is what the code states. The two don't line up. Therefore,

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Speaker 5: this work is below the code. I mean you know,

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Speaker 5: unless he wants to go and argue and get a

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Speaker 7: He's, well, that's the other option we put to him,

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Speaker 7: but he didn't be he's.

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Speaker 5: He's snucking all that. Yeah, good on you look and

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Speaker 5: now I guess the hopeful thing is that it happens

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Speaker 5: in a timely fashion. But the great thing is that

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Speaker 5: you've got an indication, an intent to get this sorted,

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Speaker 5: and that that must feel really good. Rudy, thanks very much,

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Speaker 5: really appreciate that, ud Take care. Yeah, made, I bet,

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Speaker 5: I bet pleasure all the best. Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 5: ten eighty nine, two ninety two. Someone's just text through

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Speaker 5: they'd like to email, of course you can. It is

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Speaker 5: we've got Ray Wend next, but there's space for you

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Speaker 5: I guess if you're listening to the show over the

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Speaker 5: be absolutely fine, right Raywn, let us know where you're

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Speaker 5: at now, this is your place in a retirement village.

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Speaker 5: We've chatted a few times about this. Finally they're going

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Speaker 8: How are you going, Well, I've ripped it all a part.

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Speaker 9: I'm staying with a friend. It was rotten all the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, fantastic, And so you'll have a fully functioning and

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Speaker 9: Seen four days now, so it'll be it'll be a

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Speaker 5: Fantastic. That's great, Really appreciate the update. Just in terms

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Speaker 5: it's really just all about the fixing thereof mistakes. Not inevitable,

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Speaker 5: Pete ATNEWSTALKZB dot co dot NZ. This is an interesting

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Speaker 5: And then it's expected that your building sits within that line.

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Speaker 5: There's an ability to infringe that, but then to infringe

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Speaker 5: So if there's a surcharge of a driveway, no matter

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Speaker 5: I hope that makes sense. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call back

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Speaker 1: Whether you're paity with ceiling, fixing with fans, or wondering

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Speaker 5: I was just thinking with the conversations around leaking showers

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Speaker 5: solar panels. Quite possibly it will generate more power than

432
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Speaker 5: it will use over a year, which is pretty cool. Oh,

433
00:24:53,695 --> 00:24:56,095
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've got a project underweight,

434
00:24:56,335 --> 00:24:58,455
Speaker 5: let us know and let's talk about it. The lines

435
00:24:58,455 --> 00:25:01,335
Speaker 5: are open right now. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

436
00:25:01,375 --> 00:25:02,015
Speaker 5: the number to call.

437
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Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor, get the right advice. It's

438
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Speaker 1: a Beautibulfcare the resident builder on news talks AB your.

439
00:25:10,975 --> 00:25:13,775
Speaker 5: News Talks AB. It's coming up nineteen minutes away from

440
00:25:13,855 --> 00:25:17,415
Speaker 5: seven o'clock. Remember, in the next hour, we've got Jay Sharples,

441
00:25:17,455 --> 00:25:21,975
Speaker 5: our painting expert from Razine. He's going to be available

442
00:25:21,975 --> 00:25:24,135
Speaker 5: at around seven twenty this morning. Stuff. You've got any

443
00:25:24,175 --> 00:25:27,695
Speaker 5: specific painting questions, please text them through and we can

444
00:25:27,775 --> 00:25:29,695
Speaker 5: run through that. I mean, it feels like at this

445
00:25:29,775 --> 00:25:34,135
Speaker 5: time of year it's always that perfect outdoor painting time.

446
00:25:34,975 --> 00:25:37,175
Speaker 5: Staying out of the sun, of course is pretty important,

447
00:25:37,415 --> 00:25:39,735
Speaker 5: but in general we know that the weather's a little

448
00:25:39,775 --> 00:25:43,415
Speaker 5: bit more stable and when you can get stuck into it. Certainly,

449
00:25:43,975 --> 00:25:46,215
Speaker 5: I think even this week I'll probably be able to

450
00:25:46,295 --> 00:25:48,855
Speaker 5: crack into a couple of little painting and maintenance jobs

451
00:25:49,135 --> 00:25:51,095
Speaker 5: around the place as well, So looking forward to that

452
00:25:51,135 --> 00:25:54,815
Speaker 5: if the weather state plays ball this week. Another text

453
00:25:54,815 --> 00:25:58,495
Speaker 5: that's come through from Sam, and it's a little bit technical,

454
00:25:59,415 --> 00:26:04,175
Speaker 5: so it's probably a more trade orientated get ape. He says,

455
00:26:04,415 --> 00:26:06,935
Speaker 5: I'm running a project in last week. I asked the

456
00:26:06,975 --> 00:26:10,575
Speaker 5: bricklayer to use fifty milimeter screws for the ties. So

457
00:26:10,975 --> 00:26:14,215
Speaker 5: if you've ever watched bricklayers working doing a brick veneer

458
00:26:14,415 --> 00:26:18,615
Speaker 5: on timber framing or whatever substrate or framing behind it,

459
00:26:19,375 --> 00:26:21,615
Speaker 5: every couple of courses, they'll run in like a little

460
00:26:21,775 --> 00:26:25,135
Speaker 5: l bracket which gets fixed back to the building and

461
00:26:25,215 --> 00:26:28,055
Speaker 5: gets bedded into the mortar as they're doing the bricks.

462
00:26:28,095 --> 00:26:30,095
Speaker 5: And the whole idea there is that it ties the

463
00:26:30,095 --> 00:26:33,815
Speaker 5: brick veneer to the structure of the building and prevents

464
00:26:33,815 --> 00:26:38,415
Speaker 5: it moving over time. So those and that fixing now

465
00:26:38,575 --> 00:26:41,575
Speaker 5: typically we used to nail them on with clouds years ago.

466
00:26:41,895 --> 00:26:44,535
Speaker 5: Now they're fixed in with a little text screw into

467
00:26:44,655 --> 00:26:51,015
Speaker 5: the framing. And so the brickie said he the project manager, Sam,

468
00:26:51,015 --> 00:26:55,295
Speaker 5: who's doing the texting, said look, the brickie said that,

469
00:26:55,575 --> 00:26:58,975
Speaker 5: And the supplier said that only thirty five millimeter screws

470
00:26:59,055 --> 00:27:02,575
Speaker 5: were required. The council had approved thirty five, yet it

471
00:27:02,655 --> 00:27:05,695
Speaker 5: stated that fifty milimeter ones were to be needed, and

472
00:27:05,695 --> 00:27:08,655
Speaker 5: you kind of go, why would they change it? And

473
00:27:08,695 --> 00:27:11,535
Speaker 5: then it seems like in this particular build they had

474
00:27:11,575 --> 00:27:14,615
Speaker 5: a rigid air barrier on the exterior of the framing.

475
00:27:14,735 --> 00:27:17,295
Speaker 5: So for many, many, many years, we used to do

476
00:27:17,375 --> 00:27:21,135
Speaker 5: timber framing with building paper or building wrap around the outside,

477
00:27:21,135 --> 00:27:24,695
Speaker 5: which is still used today, but in some cases we're

478
00:27:24,735 --> 00:27:27,615
Speaker 5: moving to having a rigid air barrier. Might be plywood,

479
00:27:27,695 --> 00:27:30,335
Speaker 5: might be five er cement sheet, might be os B board.

480
00:27:30,735 --> 00:27:34,335
Speaker 5: There's a number of different varieties, and so suddenly you've

481
00:27:34,375 --> 00:27:37,535
Speaker 5: got the timber framing and instead of having less than

482
00:27:37,575 --> 00:27:40,975
Speaker 5: a millimeter of building paper around the outside, you might

483
00:27:41,055 --> 00:27:45,815
Speaker 5: have nine, ten, possibly even twelve millimeters of a rigid

484
00:27:45,895 --> 00:27:49,095
Speaker 5: air barrier sheathing on the outside of the building. I

485
00:27:49,095 --> 00:27:53,175
Speaker 5: think what the council's picking up on, and this is correct,

486
00:27:53,295 --> 00:27:56,175
Speaker 5: is that what you need for that screw is thirty

487
00:27:56,215 --> 00:28:00,335
Speaker 5: five mili embedment into the timber framing. So if you

488
00:28:00,415 --> 00:28:03,375
Speaker 5: used a thirty five mil screw through ten mili of

489
00:28:03,775 --> 00:28:07,175
Speaker 5: rigid air barrier, then obviously it's only by twenty five

490
00:28:07,215 --> 00:28:11,095
Speaker 5: millimeters into the timber framing, hence the need for longer screws.

491
00:28:11,695 --> 00:28:13,695
Speaker 5: So it's not about the length of the screw it's

492
00:28:13,815 --> 00:28:16,855
Speaker 5: about what type of rigid air barrier you might have,

493
00:28:17,095 --> 00:28:19,455
Speaker 5: or simply the fact that you've got one on the outside.

494
00:28:20,135 --> 00:28:22,695
Speaker 5: The concern from Sam, who's the text, is hey, look,

495
00:28:22,735 --> 00:28:25,935
Speaker 5: if I had a bought built to the consented drawings,

496
00:28:26,375 --> 00:28:29,215
Speaker 5: then there would possibly be all sorts of liabilities to

497
00:28:29,295 --> 00:28:32,535
Speaker 5: me as the LBP, as the builder into the future.

498
00:28:34,295 --> 00:28:36,015
Speaker 5: I have to say, I mean, look, it is disappointing

499
00:28:36,055 --> 00:28:39,135
Speaker 5: if something is poorly drawn and then it goes through

500
00:28:39,215 --> 00:28:44,015
Speaker 5: consent at council and council don't pick up on these

501
00:28:44,135 --> 00:28:49,135
Speaker 5: kind of relatively straightforward building issues. That's an issue that's

502
00:28:49,175 --> 00:28:52,495
Speaker 5: not great because in the end, as the LBP, as

503
00:28:52,535 --> 00:28:55,255
Speaker 5: the builders on site, now what's kind of been hammered

504
00:28:55,255 --> 00:28:59,735
Speaker 5: into us. Pardon the pun is the plans are your

505
00:28:59,815 --> 00:29:04,295
Speaker 5: contract right. It's not our job as LBPS to challenge

506
00:29:04,575 --> 00:29:07,655
Speaker 5: or debate. It's our job to build exactly what's on

507
00:29:07,695 --> 00:29:11,135
Speaker 5: the plan. So if there's poor specification, poor detailing, in

508
00:29:11,175 --> 00:29:13,695
Speaker 5: this case using thirty five mil screws, when because of

509
00:29:13,735 --> 00:29:16,575
Speaker 5: the rigid air barrier you needed to use the longest screw.

510
00:29:16,655 --> 00:29:20,895
Speaker 5: You're right, that becomes quite a challenge for the contractors

511
00:29:20,975 --> 00:29:21,535
Speaker 5: on site.

512
00:29:21,615 --> 00:29:22,015
Speaker 6: It's not.

513
00:29:23,655 --> 00:29:25,975
Speaker 5: I don't like the situation. That's not our job to

514
00:29:26,055 --> 00:29:30,415
Speaker 5: find those things, but it just isn't. And all of

515
00:29:30,455 --> 00:29:33,415
Speaker 5: the things that we talk about as LBPS around contracts

516
00:29:33,455 --> 00:29:36,535
Speaker 5: and plans and so on, is you build what's on

517
00:29:36,575 --> 00:29:40,375
Speaker 5: the plan. But if the plan's wrong and you do

518
00:29:40,535 --> 00:29:43,495
Speaker 5: know that, then yes, I guess you have a responsibility

519
00:29:43,535 --> 00:29:46,215
Speaker 5: to point that out, either to the inspector or to

520
00:29:46,295 --> 00:29:49,935
Speaker 5: the client, certainly to the designer who missed that as

521
00:29:49,975 --> 00:29:52,695
Speaker 5: they were putting the designs together. You may have some

522
00:29:52,775 --> 00:29:55,095
Speaker 5: thoughts on that. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

523
00:29:55,175 --> 00:29:57,455
Speaker 5: number to call. A couple of other texts coming through

524
00:29:57,535 --> 00:30:01,815
Speaker 5: just with regard to various little projects. And someone likes

525
00:30:01,855 --> 00:30:05,575
Speaker 5: the song, that's always a pleasant surprise. Eight hundred eighty

526
00:30:05,695 --> 00:30:08,895
Speaker 5: ten eighty eight. As I mentioned, So, I went to

527
00:30:10,015 --> 00:30:14,015
Speaker 5: Hamilton on when was it, Thursday afternoon and had a

528
00:30:14,095 --> 00:30:18,695
Speaker 5: look at a three D printed house. And this is

529
00:30:18,735 --> 00:30:20,455
Speaker 5: one of those things. If you google you know three

530
00:30:20,535 --> 00:30:23,695
Speaker 5: D printed houses, you'll see lots of pictures from Europe

531
00:30:23,735 --> 00:30:27,815
Speaker 5: and the United States of America in particularly where they're

532
00:30:27,855 --> 00:30:31,695
Speaker 5: doing some of these sorts of things. A robot essentially

533
00:30:31,735 --> 00:30:37,135
Speaker 5: that extrudes a mortar a high strength forty MPa concrete

534
00:30:37,455 --> 00:30:41,295
Speaker 5: into and just lays it out, typically in a series

535
00:30:41,335 --> 00:30:45,735
Speaker 5: of layers and builds up wall segments, so it's interior

536
00:30:45,895 --> 00:30:49,775
Speaker 5: exterior of the wall is all printed in one go,

537
00:30:50,735 --> 00:30:53,655
Speaker 5: sometimes on site the New Zealand ones typically they're printed

538
00:30:53,735 --> 00:30:57,055
Speaker 5: in the factory. Went to the factory and had a

539
00:30:57,095 --> 00:30:59,015
Speaker 5: look at that, and then went to the show home,

540
00:30:59,055 --> 00:31:04,215
Speaker 5: which is just on the outskirts of Rotors CBD Rotakari

541
00:31:04,775 --> 00:31:07,655
Speaker 5: in a new subdivision there and had walk through the house.

542
00:31:08,415 --> 00:31:11,935
Speaker 5: Quite remarkable. If you're in the area, it's worth a drive.

543
00:31:12,735 --> 00:31:15,615
Speaker 5: Just look for Iconic three D and their show home

544
00:31:15,735 --> 00:31:18,055
Speaker 5: and then you'll be able to either drive by or

545
00:31:18,095 --> 00:31:21,215
Speaker 5: stop in and have a look again. It's and then

546
00:31:21,295 --> 00:31:25,535
Speaker 5: when I was at this mid Bild yes Or on Friday,

547
00:31:26,335 --> 00:31:27,735
Speaker 5: I was asked to say a few words, and one

548
00:31:27,775 --> 00:31:29,455
Speaker 5: of the things that I've started to think a bit

549
00:31:29,455 --> 00:31:33,575
Speaker 5: more about is that I think often we're too binary

550
00:31:33,775 --> 00:31:37,855
Speaker 5: in our approach to sort of building and solutions for

551
00:31:38,015 --> 00:31:43,215
Speaker 5: either affordability or production or speed or quality, that there's

552
00:31:43,255 --> 00:31:45,855
Speaker 5: going to be a multitude of solutions to all of

553
00:31:45,895 --> 00:31:48,935
Speaker 5: the challenges that the building industry faces. But typically we

554
00:31:49,335 --> 00:31:52,295
Speaker 5: get into this sort of binary thing where we go, well,

555
00:31:52,295 --> 00:31:54,735
Speaker 5: if I've got a good idea, then therefore every other

556
00:31:54,815 --> 00:31:58,895
Speaker 5: idea is a bad idea, and so we tend to

557
00:31:58,975 --> 00:32:01,735
Speaker 5: clash rather than collaborate. And I just look at all

558
00:32:01,735 --> 00:32:06,495
Speaker 5: of these different building topographies and methods that are out there,

559
00:32:06,495 --> 00:32:09,935
Speaker 5: going actually is probably room for all of these things

560
00:32:09,655 --> 00:32:14,175
Speaker 5: to exist in the same space that. Yeah, three D

561
00:32:14,295 --> 00:32:17,775
Speaker 5: printing can be part of the solution. Modular off site

562
00:32:17,815 --> 00:32:20,735
Speaker 5: construction is part of the solution. SIPs panels are part

563
00:32:20,775 --> 00:32:24,655
Speaker 5: of the solution. Conventional timber framing, but using really high

564
00:32:24,735 --> 00:32:28,295
Speaker 5: tech equipment is also part of the solution. As long

565
00:32:28,295 --> 00:32:30,495
Speaker 5: as we en met with better houses and more of them,

566
00:32:30,815 --> 00:32:32,415
Speaker 5: it's got to be a good thing. Oh eight hundred

567
00:32:32,535 --> 00:32:35,055
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty the number to call Ryan A very

568
00:32:35,055 --> 00:32:36,015
Speaker 5: good morning to you.

569
00:32:36,935 --> 00:32:38,455
Speaker 10: Good morning, How are you well?

570
00:32:38,535 --> 00:32:39,415
Speaker 5: Thanks for Ryan? Yourself?

571
00:32:40,095 --> 00:32:47,175
Speaker 10: Not too there? It's there, really start, that's good time

572
00:32:47,215 --> 00:32:47,535
Speaker 10: to day.

573
00:32:48,135 --> 00:32:50,095
Speaker 5: Sure, how can I help? What's up?

574
00:32:50,935 --> 00:32:53,015
Speaker 10: You just want to We've spoke a couple of times

575
00:32:53,095 --> 00:32:58,615
Speaker 10: or four of that nightmare renovation up and up and awkward,

576
00:32:59,975 --> 00:33:03,095
Speaker 10: just said the final issue sort of come through. So

577
00:33:03,255 --> 00:33:08,735
Speaker 10: managed to change builders and had our last proto compliance

578
00:33:08,775 --> 00:33:11,855
Speaker 10: to come through after after six years and paid about

579
00:33:11,895 --> 00:33:13,295
Speaker 10: three times as much as what we.

580
00:33:13,375 --> 00:33:13,975
Speaker 6: What we needed to.

581
00:33:16,415 --> 00:33:19,495
Speaker 10: So I just wanted some advice on this. So if

582
00:33:19,575 --> 00:33:22,095
Speaker 10: you're probably going to laugh, because this is just the

583
00:33:22,335 --> 00:33:27,015
Speaker 10: icing on the cake. So we had the council come

584
00:33:27,055 --> 00:33:30,855
Speaker 10: around to do the FOSE Code compliant, the final code

585
00:33:30,935 --> 00:33:42,855
Speaker 10: compliance and the weather boards were installed incorrectly out the clouding.

586
00:33:43,015 --> 00:33:47,255
Speaker 10: So when we went back through, what had happened is

587
00:33:47,375 --> 00:33:51,215
Speaker 10: the has become obviously they get the specs off the

588
00:33:51,455 --> 00:33:55,135
Speaker 10: off the company that those those are weather boards. They

589
00:33:55,215 --> 00:33:59,455
Speaker 10: come and inspected it just after the building company had

590
00:33:59,495 --> 00:34:03,815
Speaker 10: started and said, actually, I don't know the specifics, but

591
00:34:03,935 --> 00:34:06,815
Speaker 10: it's not the tender it's supposed to be for Stephen Mill.

592
00:34:07,055 --> 00:34:10,775
Speaker 10: I think it might be the overlap. Yes, okay, and

593
00:34:11,895 --> 00:34:13,815
Speaker 10: then said look you just need to change that, but

594
00:34:13,935 --> 00:34:18,655
Speaker 10: it'll be fine. The build that continued didn't change it,

595
00:34:18,695 --> 00:34:23,215
Speaker 10: and the whole house at ten Mill and then it

596
00:34:23,295 --> 00:34:27,135
Speaker 10: was obviously it was it was standard, it was painted,

597
00:34:27,415 --> 00:34:31,695
Speaker 10: everything else was done and complete and carried on and

598
00:34:31,735 --> 00:34:35,055
Speaker 10: then yeah, we're sort of two and a half maybe

599
00:34:35,255 --> 00:34:37,695
Speaker 10: probably three years since that because of all the other

600
00:34:37,815 --> 00:34:44,255
Speaker 10: challenges and just because of for different reasons and you know,

601
00:34:44,375 --> 00:34:48,895
Speaker 10: financially not being able to Yeah, sure, next step legally

602
00:34:49,535 --> 00:34:51,215
Speaker 10: sometimes that as you know, that cost of it and

603
00:34:51,255 --> 00:34:54,655
Speaker 10: spoke at that cost more than actually fixing it if

604
00:34:54,695 --> 00:34:57,775
Speaker 10: it doesn't come up right. But we've found out that

605
00:34:57,855 --> 00:35:02,055
Speaker 10: we need to completely reclad, brand new, replating on the

606
00:35:02,135 --> 00:35:02,975
Speaker 10: on the house.

607
00:35:04,575 --> 00:35:08,975
Speaker 5: Savers. Okay, I mean that.

608
00:35:11,215 --> 00:35:15,255
Speaker 10: They said that the concept and the you know, the

609
00:35:15,295 --> 00:35:18,015
Speaker 10: instructions and that was contract that, et cetera, that this

610
00:35:18,255 --> 00:35:20,215
Speaker 10: was a pretty straightforward thing to go back to the

611
00:35:20,215 --> 00:35:25,215
Speaker 10: builder and and the lb T and so that you

612
00:35:25,295 --> 00:35:28,695
Speaker 10: haven't done those through the plans and there's the instructions.

613
00:35:29,855 --> 00:35:31,455
Speaker 10: What are your what are your thoughts?

614
00:35:31,855 --> 00:35:37,495
Speaker 5: Is it well, yeah, it may well be part of

615
00:35:37,535 --> 00:35:41,335
Speaker 5: me is just you know, dreadfully sorry and sad to

616
00:35:41,495 --> 00:35:44,015
Speaker 5: hear it and disappointed, I guess at the state of

617
00:35:44,055 --> 00:35:48,735
Speaker 5: our industry that something you know, as relatively straightforward as

618
00:35:48,895 --> 00:35:52,215
Speaker 5: as putting weather boards up. So, just without going into

619
00:35:52,255 --> 00:35:54,415
Speaker 5: too much detail around the type of product, is it

620
00:35:54,455 --> 00:35:57,415
Speaker 5: a conventional timber weather board or is it a weather

621
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Speaker 5: board system?

622
00:36:01,695 --> 00:36:06,815
Speaker 10: I'm not Toby, I'm not specialized enough to answer that

623
00:36:08,135 --> 00:36:11,255
Speaker 10: it's not the weatherboard company that's the problem. I've really

624
00:36:11,415 --> 00:36:13,455
Speaker 10: I know, I mentioned who they are. I've been really

625
00:36:13,455 --> 00:36:17,855
Speaker 10: good at supplying what we need. I'm pretty sure it's

626
00:36:17,855 --> 00:36:18,415
Speaker 10: a convention.

627
00:36:18,775 --> 00:36:19,415
Speaker 11: The board.

628
00:36:21,175 --> 00:36:24,935
Speaker 10: The square feet amount that was needed, and as part

629
00:36:24,975 --> 00:36:27,095
Speaker 10: of purchasing off them, they coming up to make sure

630
00:36:27,135 --> 00:36:28,295
Speaker 10: that it instilled.

631
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Speaker 5: Correctly, which is pretty good of them. What I might do, Ryan,

632
00:36:33,375 --> 00:36:36,535
Speaker 5: is before you go, if I get you to leave

633
00:36:36,615 --> 00:36:40,135
Speaker 5: the name of the product, then I can have a

634
00:36:40,175 --> 00:36:42,815
Speaker 5: look online see what the details are. I suppose. The

635
00:36:42,855 --> 00:36:45,935
Speaker 5: other thing that's disappointing about the conversation or the situation

636
00:36:46,055 --> 00:36:51,215
Speaker 5: rather is that like typically through the building process and

637
00:36:51,255 --> 00:36:54,855
Speaker 5: through the inspection process, you'll have a rap inspection before

638
00:36:54,855 --> 00:36:58,455
Speaker 5: the clouding is fixed, and then you'll have a cladding inspection. Right,

639
00:36:58,535 --> 00:37:01,655
Speaker 5: So typically the builder should get counsel to come out

640
00:37:01,695 --> 00:37:05,215
Speaker 5: and inspect the cladding before it gets painted right, and

641
00:37:05,615 --> 00:37:08,495
Speaker 5: at that point council should have picked up on things

642
00:37:08,575 --> 00:37:11,895
Speaker 5: like is there are the weather boards installed as per

643
00:37:11,895 --> 00:37:16,055
Speaker 5: the specifications, and it's you know, if there was a

644
00:37:16,215 --> 00:37:20,095
Speaker 5: scriber left off, or a box corner or you know,

645
00:37:20,095 --> 00:37:23,455
Speaker 5: a window hadn't been installed, you'd be able to see

646
00:37:23,535 --> 00:37:26,295
Speaker 5: what the cover of the weather board is quite simply right.

647
00:37:26,735 --> 00:37:32,135
Speaker 5: And most weather boards will have like a groove in

648
00:37:32,175 --> 00:37:35,975
Speaker 5: them that stops the capillary action right, And those grooves

649
00:37:36,015 --> 00:37:37,775
Speaker 5: typically there's one at the top of the board and

650
00:37:37,775 --> 00:37:39,855
Speaker 5: one at the bottom of the board on the inside face.

651
00:37:40,175 --> 00:37:41,375
Speaker 5: So at the top of the board it's on the

652
00:37:41,415 --> 00:37:45,095
Speaker 5: outside face on the lap. So at the bottom of

653
00:37:45,175 --> 00:37:47,495
Speaker 5: the board on the inside face there's a groove, and

654
00:37:47,535 --> 00:37:50,335
Speaker 5: those grooves typically should line up right. It's as simple

655
00:37:50,375 --> 00:37:54,215
Speaker 5: as that. So I wonder whether what has possibly happened

656
00:37:54,255 --> 00:37:58,575
Speaker 5: are they timberweather boards, yeah, okay, is that they haven't

657
00:37:58,615 --> 00:38:01,655
Speaker 5: done that, and that will come down to doing the spacings.

658
00:38:02,015 --> 00:38:04,775
Speaker 5: And perhaps the builder when they were laying out the

659
00:38:04,815 --> 00:38:07,335
Speaker 5: spacings decided that he wanted to try and achieve a

660
00:38:07,375 --> 00:38:10,375
Speaker 5: full line at the head, or he wanted a full

661
00:38:10,415 --> 00:38:12,695
Speaker 5: board at the safe or something like that, and thought, well,

662
00:38:12,735 --> 00:38:16,175
Speaker 5: I'll stretch out my spacings and then I can achieve that.

663
00:38:16,255 --> 00:38:19,935
Speaker 5: But that's then ended up meaning that the boards are

664
00:38:19,975 --> 00:38:23,135
Speaker 5: not installed as per the specifications and so the noncompliant.

665
00:38:23,495 --> 00:38:26,575
Speaker 5: But I would have really expected counsel to have been

666
00:38:26,615 --> 00:38:30,775
Speaker 5: able to identify that during the clouding inspection and it

667
00:38:30,815 --> 00:38:34,495
Speaker 5: should have failed then, right, the fact that it fails

668
00:38:34,535 --> 00:38:37,695
Speaker 5: its final inspection is really if that's the case, that's

669
00:38:37,735 --> 00:38:38,615
Speaker 5: really disappointing.

670
00:38:39,855 --> 00:38:44,295
Speaker 10: There is actually there is actually a note on that

671
00:38:44,455 --> 00:38:48,335
Speaker 10: as well. The council did and this had just happened

672
00:38:48,335 --> 00:38:52,015
Speaker 10: three times with council. They come out during the inspection. Yeah,

673
00:38:52,375 --> 00:38:57,495
Speaker 10: and they advised that something was done and correctly that

674
00:38:57,495 --> 00:39:02,295
Speaker 10: it needed to be redone and unbenign to us the council.

675
00:39:02,335 --> 00:39:06,215
Speaker 10: There's an argument site because this builder decided that they

676
00:39:06,495 --> 00:39:09,255
Speaker 10: or project managers so that they knew better. Yep, and

677
00:39:09,575 --> 00:39:11,655
Speaker 10: they kept going with the view that it wouldn't be

678
00:39:11,695 --> 00:39:14,655
Speaker 10: noticed later on because we spoke to some of.

679
00:39:14,575 --> 00:39:17,175
Speaker 5: The builders, right crikey.

680
00:39:17,375 --> 00:39:22,415
Speaker 10: Yes, so yeah, it's this isn't the first thing that

681
00:39:23,415 --> 00:39:27,615
Speaker 10: I suppose, it's the one. Now we're finally after five years,

682
00:39:27,655 --> 00:39:31,575
Speaker 10: got some of the it's been quite stressfully.

683
00:39:31,775 --> 00:39:34,455
Speaker 5: Yeah, well look I can imagine Yeah.

684
00:39:34,495 --> 00:39:38,055
Speaker 10: One hundred hundred and twenty thousand dollars I suppose renovation,

685
00:39:38,135 --> 00:39:40,655
Speaker 10: which at that time was like, look, it's we need

686
00:39:40,695 --> 00:39:43,935
Speaker 10: to do it. H it's in our own four hundred k. Gee,

687
00:39:44,335 --> 00:39:48,695
Speaker 10: we still don't have a house that's complying. Wow, and

688
00:39:48,735 --> 00:39:52,335
Speaker 10: we still have where we had a quote about eighty

689
00:39:52,375 --> 00:39:57,095
Speaker 10: five thousand dollars to completely we do perfectly re planting

690
00:39:57,255 --> 00:39:59,855
Speaker 10: and there's no reuse of the plaids because it was right.

691
00:40:00,295 --> 00:40:06,815
Speaker 5: Yeah, they'll be damaged beyond repair. Can I I'm very

692
00:40:06,815 --> 00:40:12,975
Speaker 5: aware at the time? Can I suggest one of the

693
00:40:12,975 --> 00:40:15,655
Speaker 5: things with the building code is that there's you know,

694
00:40:16,095 --> 00:40:18,935
Speaker 5: if you supply a product, right, you also supply the

695
00:40:18,975 --> 00:40:22,575
Speaker 5: details of how to install it, and then you warranty

696
00:40:22,615 --> 00:40:25,815
Speaker 5: the fact that if it's installed as per the conditions

697
00:40:25,895 --> 00:40:29,055
Speaker 5: or as per the warrant are the specifications, it will

698
00:40:29,135 --> 00:40:33,975
Speaker 5: work right. There is also in this sort of situation

699
00:40:34,535 --> 00:40:39,055
Speaker 5: the possibility that even though it's not done as per

700
00:40:39,135 --> 00:40:42,855
Speaker 5: the specifications, it may still work right, as in it'll

701
00:40:42,855 --> 00:40:47,855
Speaker 5: be weather tight. And so there's a performance standard as

702
00:40:47,895 --> 00:40:52,615
Speaker 5: well as kind of the technical standard. So lots of

703
00:40:52,695 --> 00:40:56,775
Speaker 5: things with buildings might not be compliant, but they might

704
00:40:56,855 --> 00:41:01,415
Speaker 5: still work. And I'm just wondering whether if you had

705
00:41:01,455 --> 00:41:04,135
Speaker 5: a discussion again, we're going back to building surveys, right,

706
00:41:04,135 --> 00:41:07,015
Speaker 5: who need who are experienced this? I tell you what,

707
00:41:07,095 --> 00:41:08,655
Speaker 5: just down the line we're going I'm going to run

708
00:41:08,695 --> 00:41:10,935
Speaker 5: into the news. We'll come back straight after and have

709
00:41:10,975 --> 00:41:12,815
Speaker 5: a look at what might be a solution for you.

710
00:41:13,175 --> 00:41:16,815
Speaker 1: We're helping you get those DIY projects done right. The

711
00:41:16,895 --> 00:41:20,775
Speaker 1: resident Filder with Peter Wolfcamp call oh eight d eighteen

712
00:41:20,855 --> 00:41:22,215
Speaker 1: Youth talks'b.

713
00:41:23,295 --> 00:41:25,135
Speaker 5: You a news talks. He'd be Pete wolf Camp, resident

714
00:41:25,175 --> 00:41:29,175
Speaker 5: builder with you this morning right through till eight o'clock. Sorry,

715
00:41:29,295 --> 00:41:31,255
Speaker 5: let's let's stretch it out. We used to go to eight.

716
00:41:31,295 --> 00:41:34,535
Speaker 5: Now we go to nine because we've got rud climb

717
00:41:34,575 --> 00:41:38,095
Speaker 5: pass from eight thirty this morning, as always talking about

718
00:41:38,135 --> 00:41:40,215
Speaker 5: all things in the garden and the wonderful world of

719
00:41:40,255 --> 00:41:43,855
Speaker 5: bugs as well. At about twenty past seven, so not

720
00:41:43,895 --> 00:41:46,135
Speaker 5: too far away, we're going to get Jay Sharples from

721
00:41:46,215 --> 00:41:49,295
Speaker 5: Razine on the line. We can take your painting questions,

722
00:41:49,295 --> 00:41:51,895
Speaker 5: So if you've got any specific painting questions, text and

723
00:41:51,935 --> 00:41:55,735
Speaker 5: through to nine to nine two. And just prior to

724
00:41:55,735 --> 00:41:57,695
Speaker 5: the news we were talking with Ryan. This is an

725
00:41:57,735 --> 00:42:01,175
Speaker 5: issue with a well a renovation done in the last

726
00:42:01,215 --> 00:42:04,015
Speaker 5: couple of years, so we're not talking ancient history where

727
00:42:04,015 --> 00:42:08,415
Speaker 5: it seems the contractor has in store all the weather boards. Incorrectly,

728
00:42:09,775 --> 00:42:13,255
Speaker 5: I'm saying council should really have picked that up during

729
00:42:13,415 --> 00:42:16,255
Speaker 5: the cladding inspection, that's why you have one, and then

730
00:42:16,375 --> 00:42:18,935
Speaker 5: to find that at the end of it they won't

731
00:42:18,935 --> 00:42:22,375
Speaker 5: issue I presume they won't issue a CCC because it's

732
00:42:22,415 --> 00:42:27,375
Speaker 5: failed its final inspection, because the cladding was installed incorrectly. Ryan,

733
00:42:27,415 --> 00:42:29,975
Speaker 5: does that feel like a proper summary on my part

734
00:42:30,055 --> 00:42:33,055
Speaker 5: that somewhere along the line, obviously you had a clouding

735
00:42:33,135 --> 00:42:37,095
Speaker 5: inspection during the bill, during the renovation, and then a

736
00:42:37,295 --> 00:42:40,455
Speaker 5: final inspection councilor failed it, and because they failed it,

737
00:42:40,495 --> 00:42:41,695
Speaker 5: they won't issue a CCC.

738
00:42:42,855 --> 00:42:45,055
Speaker 10: Yes, So I actually just put a quick look through me.

739
00:42:45,495 --> 00:42:49,135
Speaker 10: So the council also picked it up as well as

740
00:42:49,175 --> 00:42:54,375
Speaker 10: the clouding company. Yep, it wasn't to spect because the

741
00:42:54,415 --> 00:42:58,175
Speaker 10: council obviously read the specifications as well. Yes, from the

742
00:42:58,215 --> 00:42:59,335
Speaker 10: clouding company.

743
00:42:59,335 --> 00:43:00,615
Speaker 5: Right, So they did pick it up.

744
00:43:00,695 --> 00:43:00,935
Speaker 6: Yep.

745
00:43:01,135 --> 00:43:05,775
Speaker 10: That's good, and that the builder continued on their way

746
00:43:06,735 --> 00:43:08,815
Speaker 10: installing it.

747
00:43:08,935 --> 00:43:11,375
Speaker 5: Not to speak, which again, if I take a step

748
00:43:11,415 --> 00:43:15,335
Speaker 5: back from your particular situation, just in general, one of

749
00:43:15,375 --> 00:43:18,255
Speaker 5: the things that I know has changed with the inspection

750
00:43:18,375 --> 00:43:21,335
Speaker 5: regime for most councils, and I'm most familiar with Auckland

751
00:43:21,335 --> 00:43:25,815
Speaker 5: City Council obviously, is that if something gets picked up

752
00:43:25,855 --> 00:43:30,775
Speaker 5: on an inspection, right, and you get a fail. You

753
00:43:30,895 --> 00:43:36,175
Speaker 5: can't get the next inspection anymore without resolving that issue.

754
00:43:36,215 --> 00:43:40,015
Speaker 5: So back in the day, you'd go, you know, you

755
00:43:40,095 --> 00:43:43,575
Speaker 5: might get at fail on cladding because there was a

756
00:43:43,575 --> 00:43:47,615
Speaker 5: head flashings missing, right, and because you went, well, look

757
00:43:47,655 --> 00:43:50,535
Speaker 5: the flashings on the truck. It'll be here on Tuesday

758
00:43:50,575 --> 00:43:53,855
Speaker 5: and today's Monday, and can I carry onlining and that? Yeah,

759
00:43:53,855 --> 00:43:58,855
Speaker 5: that's fine. Now they won't do that, seemingly so, But

760
00:43:59,055 --> 00:44:01,815
Speaker 5: it seems so in that sense. If they had have

761
00:44:01,855 --> 00:44:03,975
Speaker 5: had that policy at the time that you were building,

762
00:44:05,255 --> 00:44:07,415
Speaker 5: they wouldn't have been able to, for example, carry on

763
00:44:07,495 --> 00:44:11,375
Speaker 5: to plasterboard lining or install insulation or anything like that

764
00:44:11,735 --> 00:44:16,375
Speaker 5: and get any other inspections without first closing off the

765
00:44:16,415 --> 00:44:20,455
Speaker 5: fail of the previous inspection. Obviously that hasn't happened. You've

766
00:44:20,455 --> 00:44:21,895
Speaker 5: been able to get to the end of the job

767
00:44:22,095 --> 00:44:25,215
Speaker 5: with cladding still. But then see, I just think if

768
00:44:25,215 --> 00:44:27,295
Speaker 5: that's the case, and you've got a paper trail to

769
00:44:27,415 --> 00:44:30,655
Speaker 5: prove it, all of the responsibility goes back to the

770
00:44:30,695 --> 00:44:34,335
Speaker 5: builder to go you were told, here's the evidence. You

771
00:44:34,375 --> 00:44:36,415
Speaker 5: didn't fix it. Now you've got to fix it, and

772
00:44:36,455 --> 00:44:38,095
Speaker 5: that's your responsibility.

773
00:44:39,575 --> 00:44:43,655
Speaker 10: Yeah, we've done it on a few pieces, and then

774
00:44:43,695 --> 00:44:49,175
Speaker 10: obviously they just throw it to the lawyers, probably knowing

775
00:44:49,215 --> 00:44:53,175
Speaker 10: that we've poured so much into it that to actually

776
00:44:53,255 --> 00:44:58,215
Speaker 10: see this through. Yeah, yeah, you know how it works.

777
00:44:58,215 --> 00:45:02,735
Speaker 10: You know they've got the insurance or sure, we have

778
00:45:02,855 --> 00:45:04,735
Speaker 10: to sort of save up for it, and you know

779
00:45:04,775 --> 00:45:10,055
Speaker 10: we're forty thousand into that and so far, so far

780
00:45:10,295 --> 00:45:15,655
Speaker 10: there's sort of no no results. And I suppose the

781
00:45:15,935 --> 00:45:20,135
Speaker 10: only we will work down the avenue with with this one.

782
00:45:20,975 --> 00:45:23,335
Speaker 5: Can I just ask another quick question that I really

783
00:45:23,335 --> 00:45:25,735
Speaker 5: do have to move on the have you tried building

784
00:45:25,895 --> 00:45:29,455
Speaker 5: mediation rather than than lawyers.

785
00:45:29,575 --> 00:45:34,295
Speaker 10: Let's say we did, and they they it might have

786
00:45:34,375 --> 00:45:37,175
Speaker 10: been because if a mediator came in and seen this,

787
00:45:37,535 --> 00:45:39,175
Speaker 10: the recommendation.

788
00:45:38,615 --> 00:45:40,055
Speaker 5: Would be in your favor.

789
00:45:40,095 --> 00:45:44,335
Speaker 10: It's quite it's quite obvious in our favor. So they

790
00:45:44,455 --> 00:45:49,735
Speaker 10: basically turned that down and said, if you want to

791
00:45:49,735 --> 00:45:51,095
Speaker 10: take us to court, take us to court.

792
00:45:52,055 --> 00:45:52,855
Speaker 5: Jeepers.

793
00:45:53,895 --> 00:45:56,575
Speaker 10: So that was the there's no there's no discussion around

794
00:45:56,615 --> 00:46:01,575
Speaker 10: mediation or anything. That's our lawyers to Look. Now, they're

795
00:46:01,575 --> 00:46:03,295
Speaker 10: going to they're going to throw they're going to just

796
00:46:03,295 --> 00:46:06,135
Speaker 10: try and cost you, cost you, cost you out of it.

797
00:46:07,295 --> 00:46:10,055
Speaker 10: I suppose this is one of two quick things. So

798
00:46:10,175 --> 00:46:13,375
Speaker 10: that what you said before in terms of so there's

799
00:46:13,695 --> 00:46:17,015
Speaker 10: this happened on as we went back through, this happened

800
00:46:17,055 --> 00:46:19,415
Speaker 10: on nine occasions that we didn't know about. So they

801
00:46:19,495 --> 00:46:23,255
Speaker 10: never let us know when there's a fail. So that's

802
00:46:23,295 --> 00:46:27,135
Speaker 10: obviously on the building that's with the council. That could

803
00:46:27,135 --> 00:46:29,255
Speaker 10: have got glossed over some Most of the times they

804
00:46:29,295 --> 00:46:32,295
Speaker 10: sort of fixed it. Other times it didn't. But when

805
00:46:32,335 --> 00:46:36,495
Speaker 10: you mentioned that, look it might be water type, that's

806
00:46:36,535 --> 00:46:42,975
Speaker 10: also what the but they mentioned as well. Our worry

807
00:46:43,015 --> 00:46:49,255
Speaker 10: was on that that had conflicting I suppose advice because

808
00:46:49,255 --> 00:46:52,895
Speaker 10: we do believe it is water type. Ye, which is good.

809
00:46:53,215 --> 00:46:56,175
Speaker 10: Is that that then sits on the on the record

810
00:46:56,335 --> 00:47:00,495
Speaker 10: for when we resell the property and it puts a

811
00:47:00,495 --> 00:47:03,375
Speaker 10: bit of a I suppose a highlight on their claim

812
00:47:03,535 --> 00:47:06,255
Speaker 10: being installed and correctly, And that's the worry.

813
00:47:06,815 --> 00:47:11,295
Speaker 5: I guess it's it's a maybe a practical solution to

814
00:47:11,335 --> 00:47:13,655
Speaker 5: a really difficult problem. Because the you know, the big

815
00:47:13,695 --> 00:47:16,175
Speaker 5: fixes rip all the cladding off and do it correctly.

816
00:47:17,175 --> 00:47:19,295
Speaker 5: The second fix is to go, actually, you know what,

817
00:47:19,975 --> 00:47:22,615
Speaker 5: it actually still works despite the fact that it's not

818
00:47:23,015 --> 00:47:28,255
Speaker 5: technically installed correctly. And you know, do you accept the

819
00:47:28,375 --> 00:47:30,575
Speaker 5: risk that, yes, that will sit on the property file.

820
00:47:30,575 --> 00:47:34,215
Speaker 5: It's there for disclosure, and you hope that people will

821
00:47:34,295 --> 00:47:37,495
Speaker 5: understand it. Again, you know, if it's a professional opinion

822
00:47:37,615 --> 00:47:42,095
Speaker 5: offered by a suitably experienced person like a registered building surveyor,

823
00:47:42,495 --> 00:47:49,375
Speaker 5: then that should reassure most people. I presume that the

824
00:47:49,375 --> 00:47:52,215
Speaker 5: person that you're dealing with, the contractor who undertook the work,

825
00:47:52,375 --> 00:47:53,215
Speaker 5: is an LBP.

826
00:47:54,375 --> 00:48:00,455
Speaker 10: They are an LBP, right, you'd be wanting.

827
00:48:00,135 --> 00:48:02,535
Speaker 5: To take them straight to the disciplinary board.

828
00:48:03,855 --> 00:48:06,255
Speaker 10: Yes, And that's the that's the part that we were

829
00:48:06,535 --> 00:48:10,215
Speaker 10: through the moment what sort of go down in order

830
00:48:10,295 --> 00:48:15,655
Speaker 10: for you know, not to put the business into solignty

831
00:48:15,815 --> 00:48:19,455
Speaker 10: or liquidation, and yeah, that starts something else that you know,

832
00:48:19,695 --> 00:48:20,255
Speaker 10: this sort of thing.

833
00:48:21,095 --> 00:48:24,615
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do, but remember to be a licensed building

834
00:48:24,695 --> 00:48:29,095
Speaker 5: practitioner as I am. It's it's my name. I'm the

835
00:48:29,175 --> 00:48:31,375
Speaker 5: licensed building practitioner, not my company.

836
00:48:32,215 --> 00:48:35,095
Speaker 10: Okay, okay, So be that in mind.

837
00:48:35,615 --> 00:48:39,415
Speaker 5: Look, it's a dreadfully sad situation and I can only

838
00:48:39,455 --> 00:48:41,695
Speaker 5: imagine the stresses it's put you and your family under.

839
00:48:42,095 --> 00:48:44,255
Speaker 5: So I hope there's there's some resolution for you.

840
00:48:45,175 --> 00:48:45,375
Speaker 6: Yeah.

841
00:48:46,135 --> 00:48:49,135
Speaker 10: The worst thing with this there was all happened during

842
00:48:49,135 --> 00:48:53,055
Speaker 10: a time where both my my wife both and my

843
00:48:53,095 --> 00:48:57,295
Speaker 10: wife's parents passed away over a month period. And you've

844
00:48:57,775 --> 00:49:00,855
Speaker 10: told you that before, and we had to just trust

845
00:49:01,095 --> 00:49:03,535
Speaker 10: that I would keep on going because we were down. Yes,

846
00:49:03,615 --> 00:49:06,815
Speaker 10: of course after after them, yep, and come back to

847
00:49:06,855 --> 00:49:10,895
Speaker 10: this absolute myss basically love focus on the family. And

848
00:49:11,215 --> 00:49:13,535
Speaker 10: that was a f year ago now, and that's when

849
00:49:13,575 --> 00:49:16,655
Speaker 10: it was all all these massive bills started coming through,

850
00:49:16,695 --> 00:49:17,775
Speaker 10: but nothing on the house.

851
00:49:18,175 --> 00:49:22,015
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wish you all the best.

852
00:49:22,055 --> 00:49:22,175
Speaker 6: Thing.

853
00:49:22,855 --> 00:49:23,855
Speaker 5: You take care very much.

854
00:49:24,695 --> 00:49:26,415
Speaker 10: Look into the painting. Painting as well.

855
00:49:26,455 --> 00:49:28,855
Speaker 5: So yeah, okay, you take care right, all the best

856
00:49:29,055 --> 00:49:32,055
Speaker 5: follow the Uh we're going to be talking painting shortly

857
00:49:32,615 --> 00:49:34,415
Speaker 5: before then, Chris, greetings to you.

858
00:49:35,935 --> 00:49:39,055
Speaker 12: Yeah, get a better beautiful day here in Orban.

859
00:49:41,335 --> 00:49:43,295
Speaker 5: Look out the window. Yes, I can confirm that.

860
00:49:45,735 --> 00:49:48,495
Speaker 12: Hey, I got a question about a pagola on a

861
00:49:48,855 --> 00:49:57,655
Speaker 12: second story rental property. So the underneath the polar deck

862
00:49:58,175 --> 00:50:02,095
Speaker 12: it's starting to leak and get into the garage of

863
00:50:02,175 --> 00:50:08,215
Speaker 12: the under under floor. Yes, yeah, construction now that the

864
00:50:08,295 --> 00:50:12,695
Speaker 12: goolar is overhead that the deck, the deck was had

865
00:50:12,735 --> 00:50:17,215
Speaker 12: that bitch mole sort of ceiling, so over time that's

866
00:50:17,415 --> 00:50:20,175
Speaker 12: obviously failed out to try and source the leak and

867
00:50:20,175 --> 00:50:22,215
Speaker 12: get into the leak with their major job, and did

868
00:50:22,255 --> 00:50:24,735
Speaker 12: to take out a corner of a room and ranch

869
00:50:24,775 --> 00:50:27,455
Speaker 12: siders and all sorts of stuff. But I'm thinking about

870
00:50:27,495 --> 00:50:33,895
Speaker 12: just putting the polycarbinate roofing over the pre exact thing

871
00:50:34,015 --> 00:50:37,855
Speaker 12: structure of the goola, just to remove the water from

872
00:50:37,895 --> 00:50:40,935
Speaker 12: actually getting onto the deck. I couldn't find anything that.

873
00:50:41,415 --> 00:50:46,015
Speaker 12: I couldn't find anything in the council plans about sort

874
00:50:46,015 --> 00:50:55,095
Speaker 12: of the roofing square footage associated tool the first floor building,

875
00:50:55,775 --> 00:51:03,775
Speaker 12: noting that the deck is already probably covering the square footage. Yeah,

876
00:51:03,855 --> 00:51:05,095
Speaker 12: any rules associated with.

877
00:51:05,095 --> 00:51:09,095
Speaker 5: That, I'd have to go through and check as well. Because,

878
00:51:09,095 --> 00:51:12,415
Speaker 5: of course, there have been changes to the types of

879
00:51:12,455 --> 00:51:15,175
Speaker 5: structures that you can build under Sedule one of the

880
00:51:15,175 --> 00:51:17,855
Speaker 5: Building Act, which means you may not necessarily require a

881
00:51:17,895 --> 00:51:20,975
Speaker 5: building consent, but prior to those changes, and it might

882
00:51:21,015 --> 00:51:24,455
Speaker 5: still be active today. Typically, if you add a roof

883
00:51:24,655 --> 00:51:29,535
Speaker 5: to something like a pagoda or a perglar, right, that

884
00:51:29,935 --> 00:51:33,255
Speaker 5: typically triggers the requirement for a building consent, And I

885
00:51:33,415 --> 00:51:36,735
Speaker 5: don't know that that's changed. So while you've got this

886
00:51:36,975 --> 00:51:41,775
Speaker 5: open structure, the structure is there, but it's not roofed

887
00:51:41,815 --> 00:51:44,255
Speaker 5: in any way. If you were to add a roof

888
00:51:44,455 --> 00:51:47,775
Speaker 5: like clear light, that would typically require a building consent.

889
00:51:47,815 --> 00:51:49,615
Speaker 5: And there's a couple of things around that. One is

890
00:51:50,615 --> 00:51:55,095
Speaker 5: kind of a general thing that we're concerned about building creep. Right,

891
00:51:55,175 --> 00:51:58,815
Speaker 5: So you know, you've got this little balcony, then you've

892
00:51:58,815 --> 00:52:01,535
Speaker 5: got the framing above it, then you put a roof

893
00:52:01,535 --> 00:52:04,135
Speaker 5: on it. Then someone changes that roof a solid roof,

894
00:52:04,175 --> 00:52:06,455
Speaker 5: and then they close in the side and hey, pret

895
00:52:06,655 --> 00:52:09,455
Speaker 5: becomes a fourth bedroom. Right, there's that sort of thing.

896
00:52:10,095 --> 00:52:13,295
Speaker 5: There's also a practical thing that your purglar, while it's

897
00:52:13,295 --> 00:52:15,655
Speaker 5: got no roofing on it, doesn't have to worry about

898
00:52:15,735 --> 00:52:18,655
Speaker 5: uplift and things like that. If you did put roofing

899
00:52:18,695 --> 00:52:21,335
Speaker 5: on it, you then need to ensure that all of

900
00:52:21,375 --> 00:52:24,495
Speaker 5: the fixings are sufficient to prevent uplift in the event

901
00:52:24,535 --> 00:52:27,855
Speaker 5: of a storm. You're also capturing storm water. You've got

902
00:52:27,855 --> 00:52:30,335
Speaker 5: to divert that away. You've got to control storm water,

903
00:52:30,535 --> 00:52:32,815
Speaker 5: not just have it pouring onto the ground, et cetera,

904
00:52:32,855 --> 00:52:37,735
Speaker 5: et cetera. So I think that chances are adding roofing

905
00:52:37,815 --> 00:52:41,495
Speaker 5: to your goda or purgla is going to require building

906
00:52:41,495 --> 00:52:45,695
Speaker 5: consent with regard to the issue around the waterproofing. When

907
00:52:45,735 --> 00:52:47,615
Speaker 5: you say is it a bitumen type, are you're talking

908
00:52:47,655 --> 00:52:53,975
Speaker 5: buttanyl roofing or butteanyl waterproofing or a butteanol. Yeah, it

909
00:52:54,095 --> 00:52:56,655
Speaker 5: looks that might just have reached the end of its life.

910
00:52:57,295 --> 00:53:00,815
Speaker 5: If it's firm and sound, there are coatings that can

911
00:53:00,895 --> 00:53:04,335
Speaker 5: be applied that will add a protective layer over the top.

912
00:53:04,695 --> 00:53:07,495
Speaker 5: But in most cases, I think if it's reached the

913
00:53:07,575 --> 00:53:10,415
Speaker 5: end of its practical life, then it's a case of

914
00:53:10,575 --> 00:53:15,575
Speaker 5: removing it and replacing it with either a new butteanol

915
00:53:15,815 --> 00:53:20,935
Speaker 5: or replacing with a different type of waterproof membrane. And then, unfortunately,

916
00:53:21,015 --> 00:53:23,495
Speaker 5: sometimes when we pull those out, we discover that the

917
00:53:23,535 --> 00:53:27,335
Speaker 5: substrate is not quite the right material. You know, I've

918
00:53:27,375 --> 00:53:30,895
Speaker 5: seen it with untreated twelve mil ply fixed down with

919
00:53:31,015 --> 00:53:33,975
Speaker 5: clouds right, so it all starts to move and twist

920
00:53:34,055 --> 00:53:37,575
Speaker 5: and or the falls not right, or the scuppers aren't right,

921
00:53:38,015 --> 00:53:40,015
Speaker 5: and then of course all of that buttant ole goes

922
00:53:40,095 --> 00:53:46,455
Speaker 5: up underneath your cladding or is into the sliding doors

923
00:53:46,455 --> 00:53:48,015
Speaker 5: that might come out, so you've got to take the

924
00:53:48,055 --> 00:53:50,895
Speaker 5: sliding doors out. It does end up or could become

925
00:53:50,975 --> 00:53:52,135
Speaker 5: quite a big issue, couldn't it.

926
00:53:53,455 --> 00:53:56,775
Speaker 12: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, okay, well, hey, thanks very much for

927
00:53:56,815 --> 00:53:58,775
Speaker 12: that guid no.

928
00:53:58,655 --> 00:54:00,375
Speaker 5: Trouble at all, all the very best to you. Take

929
00:54:00,415 --> 00:54:03,215
Speaker 5: care of Chris, all the best. Then we're going to

930
00:54:03,255 --> 00:54:07,335
Speaker 5: get Jay up in just a moment. We've got a

931
00:54:07,335 --> 00:54:09,575
Speaker 5: bunch of painting questions. Feel free to add some in.

932
00:54:09,655 --> 00:54:12,015
Speaker 5: I think we'll have time eight hundred and eighty ten

933
00:54:12,175 --> 00:54:14,655
Speaker 5: eighty if you want to call for some building questions

934
00:54:14,695 --> 00:54:18,055
Speaker 5: a little bit later on the show, remember at eight thirty.

935
00:54:18,095 --> 00:54:21,335
Speaker 5: As always we're into the garden with recline past. But

936
00:54:21,375 --> 00:54:23,935
Speaker 5: if you've got any specific painting questions right now, text

937
00:54:23,935 --> 00:54:26,575
Speaker 5: them through. Jay's going to be with us in just

938
00:54:26,615 --> 00:54:30,655
Speaker 5: a moment. Nine to nine two for the text and

939
00:54:30,735 --> 00:54:34,375
Speaker 5: a quick text that's also come in. Would you PVC

940
00:54:34,615 --> 00:54:38,295
Speaker 5: double glazing be better for warmth retention than thermally broken

941
00:54:38,415 --> 00:54:41,495
Speaker 5: aluminium double glazed or would the margins be too little

942
00:54:41,535 --> 00:54:45,015
Speaker 5: to matter much? I'm in Wellington. Thanks very much for

943
00:54:45,055 --> 00:54:49,215
Speaker 5: your text. Look, there's plenty of evidence that you can

944
00:54:49,375 --> 00:54:55,935
Speaker 5: find online, you know, testing on different types of window frames.

945
00:54:56,055 --> 00:55:02,135
Speaker 5: So whether it's standard aluminum joinery, do thermally broken aluminium joinery,

946
00:55:02,295 --> 00:55:06,215
Speaker 5: uPVC joinery, timber joinery. That's basically the four types of

947
00:55:06,335 --> 00:55:09,655
Speaker 5: varieties that we've got for our aluminium or our window frames,

948
00:55:10,335 --> 00:55:13,895
Speaker 5: and then you can see how they work with if

949
00:55:13,935 --> 00:55:16,615
Speaker 5: you put the same type of double glazing in each

950
00:55:16,695 --> 00:55:19,895
Speaker 5: of those, what the therm, what the R value is

951
00:55:20,015 --> 00:55:24,215
Speaker 5: or it's actually in verse, what the actual performance is

952
00:55:24,295 --> 00:55:30,135
Speaker 5: and look typically UPBC performs better and even small margins

953
00:55:30,175 --> 00:55:32,415
Speaker 5: make a difference. So yeah, it's worth having a look.

954
00:55:32,935 --> 00:55:36,375
Speaker 5: There's plenty of information online to see how each of

955
00:55:36,415 --> 00:55:41,255
Speaker 5: those different windows system perform in terms of warmth retention,

956
00:55:41,615 --> 00:55:43,535
Speaker 5: and it will make a big difference, So check it

957
00:55:43,575 --> 00:55:45,855
Speaker 5: out online or have a look at the Stark Windows

958
00:55:45,895 --> 00:55:48,735
Speaker 5: website as well. They'll have some information there. It is

959
00:55:49,615 --> 00:55:52,895
Speaker 5: twenty one minutes after seven. We'll take short break. Then

960
00:55:52,895 --> 00:55:55,615
Speaker 5: we'll talk to Jay about all things painting. If you've

961
00:55:55,615 --> 00:55:57,895
Speaker 5: got a question, text it through now nine to nine

962
00:55:57,975 --> 00:56:00,175
Speaker 5: two met it God.

963
00:56:00,255 --> 00:56:03,255
Speaker 1: Was but maybe called Pete first. D you Wolfcab the

964
00:56:03,375 --> 00:56:05,335
Speaker 1: resident builder News Talk said, be.

965
00:56:06,815 --> 00:56:09,495
Speaker 5: You're right, Oh, we're into it. We're talking painting, and

966
00:56:09,895 --> 00:56:12,855
Speaker 5: I don't know. For me, summer is always about painting,

967
00:56:13,615 --> 00:56:17,335
Speaker 5: and that's my memory of childhood that seemed to spend

968
00:56:17,615 --> 00:56:20,655
Speaker 5: every summer painting the outside of the house. Whether he

969
00:56:20,695 --> 00:56:22,975
Speaker 5: did it. We did a sort of a wall a

970
00:56:23,095 --> 00:56:25,295
Speaker 5: year and he just kept on working his way around.

971
00:56:25,735 --> 00:56:29,255
Speaker 5: But to me, it feels like summertime is painting time.

972
00:56:29,455 --> 00:56:31,015
Speaker 5: We know that you can paint all year round, but

973
00:56:31,175 --> 00:56:34,815
Speaker 5: summertime feels like painting time. Jay, good morning, Good morning.

974
00:56:34,855 --> 00:56:35,615
Speaker 6: How are you morning.

975
00:56:35,655 --> 00:56:38,495
Speaker 5: I'm very well, thank you. And we're into that stage

976
00:56:38,495 --> 00:56:41,775
Speaker 5: where you know the weather's a bit more settled kind

977
00:56:41,855 --> 00:56:43,575
Speaker 5: of or at least if it's going to be bad,

978
00:56:43,575 --> 00:56:47,855
Speaker 5: we know it's coming, so you can plan and get

979
00:56:47,935 --> 00:56:50,775
Speaker 5: into some outdoor painting at this time of year.

980
00:56:52,015 --> 00:56:56,375
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. Let's say it's all about planning, yes, for

981
00:56:56,935 --> 00:57:00,055
Speaker 4: exterior or interior, to sort of think about how you're

982
00:57:00,055 --> 00:57:03,055
Speaker 4: going to attack it this time of year. You really

983
00:57:03,095 --> 00:57:05,495
Speaker 4: don't want to be painting in direct sunlight. Yes, that

984
00:57:05,615 --> 00:57:10,135
Speaker 4: means starting earlier or working in the shaded areas. Just

985
00:57:10,135 --> 00:57:11,655
Speaker 4: just think about how you're going to do it and

986
00:57:11,815 --> 00:57:14,535
Speaker 4: attack that day. And obviously if you're outside, remember to

987
00:57:14,895 --> 00:57:16,295
Speaker 4: have put on some sunscreen of word.

988
00:57:16,415 --> 00:57:22,495
Speaker 5: Yeah jeez, yes, something I might have forgotten the other day. Anyway,

989
00:57:25,255 --> 00:57:27,935
Speaker 5: So if you've got a painting question, feel through, tax

990
00:57:28,015 --> 00:57:29,815
Speaker 5: them through. But we've got something to get underway with

991
00:57:30,055 --> 00:57:32,575
Speaker 5: anyway here we go. Number one question for Jay, we're

992
00:57:32,615 --> 00:57:35,815
Speaker 5: painting our house a different color in wanting to change

993
00:57:35,815 --> 00:57:37,815
Speaker 5: the color of the front door. Now it's a powder

994
00:57:37,855 --> 00:57:41,575
Speaker 5: code at the aluminium door in each prime if they

995
00:57:41,575 --> 00:57:44,775
Speaker 5: did want to have a go themselves yet.

996
00:57:44,735 --> 00:57:50,495
Speaker 4: So we've like our best system would be our high

997
00:57:50,575 --> 00:57:53,935
Speaker 4: performance system, which is for industrial codings, which would be

998
00:57:53,975 --> 00:57:57,575
Speaker 4: on the Coke two to one and Eurocraal four hundred

999
00:57:57,615 --> 00:58:03,255
Speaker 4: series which are both two pots yep. So ideally you'd

1000
00:58:03,295 --> 00:58:06,135
Speaker 4: want to be heading into the shop and just having

1001
00:58:06,135 --> 00:58:08,415
Speaker 4: it to staff and make sure you're comfortable with it.

1002
00:58:08,735 --> 00:58:08,975
Speaker 5: Yes.

1003
00:58:09,015 --> 00:58:12,695
Speaker 4: Alternately, we do have single pack options which would be

1004
00:58:13,495 --> 00:58:17,175
Speaker 4: buying a latch and probably quick dry over the top yep,

1005
00:58:17,375 --> 00:58:21,255
Speaker 4: before if the luscicrel or namacrill, depending on the gloss

1006
00:58:21,335 --> 00:58:24,975
Speaker 4: level you were you were after, right, but.

1007
00:58:24,935 --> 00:58:26,855
Speaker 5: It can be tricky and I guess you know you've

1008
00:58:26,855 --> 00:58:29,215
Speaker 5: got to be realistic about if you're going to do

1009
00:58:29,255 --> 00:58:29,815
Speaker 5: it yourself.

1010
00:58:29,895 --> 00:58:35,855
Speaker 4: Then it's also like powder coated aluminium smooth. Yes, so

1011
00:58:36,135 --> 00:58:38,815
Speaker 4: as soon as you start brushing or rolling, you're going

1012
00:58:38,935 --> 00:58:42,255
Speaker 4: to create a different texture and different looks, so just

1013
00:58:42,335 --> 00:58:44,775
Speaker 4: be aware of that before you're doing it.

1014
00:58:45,375 --> 00:58:50,775
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely right now here we go, morning, Pete and

1015
00:58:50,935 --> 00:58:53,815
Speaker 5: j Could you ask Jay about staining a large pine deck.

1016
00:58:53,855 --> 00:58:56,695
Speaker 5: It's four years old, never been oil stained or painted.

1017
00:58:57,055 --> 00:58:59,855
Speaker 5: I've also got a new deck to stain. What razine

1018
00:58:59,855 --> 00:59:04,015
Speaker 5: product do you recommend for the lightest color penetrating oil

1019
00:59:04,255 --> 00:59:07,015
Speaker 5: stain so they don't want to go, you know, too

1020
00:59:07,095 --> 00:59:10,615
Speaker 5: yellow or too orangey? What do you what are your thoughts?

1021
00:59:10,735 --> 00:59:16,655
Speaker 4: So on my deck, I use the Solvent Born Woodsman, Yes, Woodman,

1022
00:59:16,855 --> 00:59:22,215
Speaker 4: Soborn Woodow, and it's tinted to the color natural. Prior

1023
00:59:22,255 --> 00:59:24,895
Speaker 4: to that, I'd been using the furnit Rasime furniture and

1024
00:59:24,935 --> 00:59:29,535
Speaker 4: decking oil, which is a bit more yellow. But I

1025
00:59:29,695 --> 00:59:32,335
Speaker 4: just find the naturals a little bit more subtle.

1026
00:59:32,575 --> 00:59:35,015
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Diane's keen to stay away from There's

1027
00:59:35,055 --> 00:59:36,615
Speaker 5: nothing wrong with the yellow if you like it, but

1028
00:59:36,615 --> 00:59:37,935
Speaker 5: if you want to stay away from it.

1029
00:59:39,655 --> 00:59:42,335
Speaker 4: The thing. I'd also recommend Kee sing out to multiple

1030
00:59:42,375 --> 00:59:43,455
Speaker 4: housards in the last week.

1031
00:59:44,015 --> 00:59:46,895
Speaker 10: Keep a record of what you use, yes, or if you're.

1032
00:59:46,735 --> 00:59:50,655
Speaker 4: Buying new timber and it's coming pre coated, just make

1033
00:59:50,695 --> 00:59:53,735
Speaker 4: sure you've got a record of that because it can

1034
00:59:54,055 --> 00:59:55,775
Speaker 4: help save issues in the long run.

1035
00:59:57,295 --> 01:00:01,775
Speaker 5: Now, actually Following on from that, the next text is about, hey, team,

1036
01:00:01,855 --> 01:00:04,615
Speaker 5: I want to stain my queeler deck back to something

1037
01:00:04,655 --> 01:00:08,455
Speaker 5: close to the color it initially, what's the best stain

1038
01:00:08,575 --> 01:00:10,295
Speaker 5: to use and is there a product that means you

1039
01:00:10,335 --> 01:00:12,615
Speaker 5: don't have to redo it too often? That's from Lance.

1040
01:00:12,935 --> 01:00:15,015
Speaker 5: I guess the issue is you need to know what

1041
01:00:15,295 --> 01:00:17,415
Speaker 5: is on the already if there's already a coating.

1042
01:00:18,255 --> 01:00:21,295
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sort of if you Ideally, if you know

1043
01:00:21,335 --> 01:00:23,775
Speaker 4: what's already on there, you can keep using the same product, right,

1044
01:00:23,935 --> 01:00:26,615
Speaker 4: you can check that any new products are compatible with

1045
01:00:26,655 --> 01:00:30,975
Speaker 4: what's already on there. Our recommendation for Quila Dex, we've

1046
01:00:30,975 --> 01:00:34,535
Speaker 4: got a queler timber stake which brings back the natural color.

1047
01:00:36,495 --> 01:00:39,135
Speaker 4: So that's what I'd recommend. But like if you're never

1048
01:00:39,255 --> 01:00:42,375
Speaker 4: not sure what's on air, tri test area. We've got

1049
01:00:42,375 --> 01:00:45,655
Speaker 4: the test pots of the majority of bird stains, if

1050
01:00:45,735 --> 01:00:47,975
Speaker 4: not by a small amount, and just trying in an

1051
01:00:47,975 --> 01:00:49,175
Speaker 4: inconspicuous area.

1052
01:00:50,215 --> 01:00:54,535
Speaker 5: Okay, Now this is this is one about preparation. In

1053
01:00:54,575 --> 01:00:59,135
Speaker 5: this sense, they're painting over some old nineteen sixties asbestos cladding,

1054
01:00:59,175 --> 01:01:01,255
Speaker 5: so at least they've identified that some of it's a

1055
01:01:01,255 --> 01:01:04,695
Speaker 5: bit moldy. What sort of preparation, and I would jump

1056
01:01:04,735 --> 01:01:07,015
Speaker 5: in here straight away and go what you don't want

1057
01:01:07,055 --> 01:01:09,735
Speaker 5: to be doing is hitting it with sanding and scraping.

1058
01:01:09,895 --> 01:01:13,175
Speaker 5: So we're talking about a chemical prewash, aren't we.

1059
01:01:14,895 --> 01:01:16,695
Speaker 4: Yeah, But even that, I think you've got to be

1060
01:01:16,975 --> 01:01:20,855
Speaker 4: be careful with it. All depends on the condition of

1061
01:01:20,935 --> 01:01:28,335
Speaker 4: the surface. Any anything you do scrape or anything that

1062
01:01:28,375 --> 01:01:31,975
Speaker 4: you're not you meant to contain. So if you're washing

1063
01:01:32,015 --> 01:01:34,535
Speaker 4: it with a soft wash and it's bringing some of

1064
01:01:34,575 --> 01:01:37,455
Speaker 4: the coating off, you've got to contain that. Yes, I'm

1065
01:01:37,455 --> 01:01:41,615
Speaker 4: not certain around if there's any legislation about containing the

1066
01:01:41,615 --> 01:01:45,895
Speaker 4: water that's coming off, well, I suppose it all goes

1067
01:01:46,015 --> 01:01:53,895
Speaker 4: on the actual condition of the asbestos coated substrate. Obviously

1068
01:01:53,895 --> 01:01:57,855
Speaker 4: there's a coating on there, so any washing or preparation

1069
01:01:58,095 --> 01:02:00,815
Speaker 4: you're doing the coating you're not actually doing to the

1070
01:02:01,175 --> 01:02:05,095
Speaker 4: asbestos substrate. It's different, I suppose if it's uncoated.

1071
01:02:05,775 --> 01:02:09,215
Speaker 5: Yes, So if it's got let's assume that there's some

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Speaker 5: paint on the air which has started to deteriorate slightly.

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Speaker 5: But if what the concern I think that both of

1074
01:02:16,055 --> 01:02:18,215
Speaker 5: us would have is that if you were to sort

1075
01:02:18,215 --> 01:02:21,855
Speaker 5: of vigorously agitate the surface to clean it, and then

1076
01:02:21,935 --> 01:02:25,535
Speaker 5: you release those fibers. Then those fibers should they fall

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Speaker 5: on the ground and it dries, then they become from

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01:02:28,375 --> 01:02:32,535
Speaker 5: it or yeah, that's right, Yeah, that is the issue.

1079
01:02:32,735 --> 01:02:35,895
Speaker 5: Probably worth getting some decent advice on that, but maybe

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Speaker 5: the gentlest possible approach and then just paint over it.

1081
01:02:39,175 --> 01:02:40,495
Speaker 5: It's not a bad way to go.

1082
01:02:40,775 --> 01:02:45,335
Speaker 4: Yeah, and keep colors light. Yeah, don't go dark so

1083
01:02:45,415 --> 01:02:49,095
Speaker 4: absorbs more heat, small bubbles and blisters, which then becomes

1084
01:02:49,095 --> 01:02:52,175
Speaker 4: an issue you already knowestos and you can't you're limited

1085
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Speaker 4: to the preparation you can do.

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Speaker 5: Particularly I guess where you're doing a paint coating over

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01:02:57,375 --> 01:03:01,975
Speaker 5: an existing one, that adhesion there is going you're going

1088
01:03:02,015 --> 01:03:04,135
Speaker 5: to have a lot more problems with really really dark

1089
01:03:04,175 --> 01:03:07,095
Speaker 5: colors in terms of it adhering to substruct to the

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Speaker 5: old pain.

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01:03:08,175 --> 01:03:11,415
Speaker 4: Yeah, but going dark and you absorb more heat, which

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01:03:11,455 --> 01:03:16,535
Speaker 4: puts more stress on the underlying coating, which or the

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01:03:16,655 --> 01:03:21,575
Speaker 4: on a subject that's potentially quite old, and you could

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01:03:21,615 --> 01:03:24,615
Speaker 4: just lose adherence and then it starts becoming more of

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01:03:24,615 --> 01:03:26,455
Speaker 4: an issue for preparation and fixing it.

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Speaker 5: Sure, that's an intriguing one. Some people who have a

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01:03:30,535 --> 01:03:33,815
Speaker 5: stone cottage as an out of stone and central Otago.

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Speaker 5: We like the look when the stone is wet. Is

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01:03:36,575 --> 01:03:38,895
Speaker 5: there something that we can apply to have that look

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Speaker 5: all of the time.

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01:03:42,455 --> 01:03:46,895
Speaker 4: I suppose we've got different concrete clear We've got a

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01:03:47,135 --> 01:03:55,655
Speaker 4: concrete clear wet look. Yep, there's potentially concrete stain. But

1103
01:03:56,375 --> 01:04:00,895
Speaker 4: it'll be trying some different areas in seeing. I mean,

1104
01:04:01,295 --> 01:04:05,095
Speaker 4: depending on how absorbent the stone is. If it's not

1105
01:04:05,255 --> 01:04:10,575
Speaker 4: very poorous, I'm not sure how well the spaces were penetrating.

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01:04:10,655 --> 01:04:12,895
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how well the concrete clear wet look

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01:04:13,495 --> 01:04:17,775
Speaker 4: would look or go. Yeah, it also puts a bit

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01:04:17,815 --> 01:04:20,655
Speaker 4: of a sheene on it, and I would.

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Speaker 5: Have just a word of caution around. You know, sometimes

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01:04:23,735 --> 01:04:27,375
Speaker 5: these claddings work well because they absorb a little bit

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01:04:27,415 --> 01:04:29,535
Speaker 5: of moisture and then the moisture drains out. And so

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01:04:29,655 --> 01:04:32,335
Speaker 5: if you then put a barrier that prevents the moisture

1113
01:04:32,495 --> 01:04:35,375
Speaker 5: being released from the stone, do you have an issue there?

1114
01:04:35,415 --> 01:04:37,895
Speaker 5: So it might be that you just go outside and

1115
01:04:37,935 --> 01:04:39,735
Speaker 5: look at your house on rainy days and don't go

1116
01:04:39,775 --> 01:04:46,975
Speaker 5: out there when it's sunshine. It sounds like a solution. Now,

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01:04:47,015 --> 01:04:48,815
Speaker 5: this is one about painting a deck. You said, we're

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01:04:48,815 --> 01:04:50,815
Speaker 5: getting our house ready to sell. The deck is looking

1119
01:04:50,815 --> 01:04:52,975
Speaker 5: a bit sad, and we're thinking, right, paint it? Is

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Speaker 5: this wise? And what do we need to consider? Not

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Speaker 5: from a real estate point of view, you'd say, if

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01:04:59,455 --> 01:05:01,815
Speaker 5: you arrive at a property and it looks smart and

1123
01:05:02,335 --> 01:05:05,495
Speaker 5: eats a pin, then that's great. But painting decks, we

1124
01:05:05,535 --> 01:05:08,575
Speaker 5: need to think about slip resistance, don't we.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's also a lot of the issues I've been

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01:05:11,735 --> 01:05:17,175
Speaker 4: able to in this year the result of people tidying

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01:05:17,255 --> 01:05:20,815
Speaker 4: up the house to sale without taking into account what's

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01:05:20,855 --> 01:05:25,735
Speaker 4: already on the In this case, so, yeah, you paint

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01:05:25,775 --> 01:05:30,295
Speaker 4: it. It looks already good. Then people move in and start

1130
01:05:30,335 --> 01:05:32,375
Speaker 4: walking around on it and the paint starts coming off

1131
01:05:32,415 --> 01:05:35,095
Speaker 4: because it's not compatible with the stain or the preparation

1132
01:05:35,295 --> 01:05:40,055
Speaker 4: wasn't done properly. So again, it's really dependent on what

1133
01:05:40,295 --> 01:05:43,055
Speaker 4: was previously on the deck. There's been a number of

1134
01:05:43,135 --> 01:05:45,255
Speaker 4: decks I've seen lately that have had a wood oil

1135
01:05:45,455 --> 01:05:49,855
Speaker 4: on there or mineral oil, which isn't compatible of anything else.

1136
01:05:50,335 --> 01:05:52,295
Speaker 4: So when you start trying to put another stain or

1137
01:05:52,335 --> 01:05:57,255
Speaker 4: paint it, areas might said here okay, but other areas

1138
01:05:57,295 --> 01:05:59,735
Speaker 4: wouldn't and then when you put table and chairs on

1139
01:05:59,935 --> 01:06:02,255
Speaker 4: or stop walking on it, all that paint comes off.

1140
01:06:03,055 --> 01:06:09,135
Speaker 4: So my opinion is kind of why not leave it

1141
01:06:09,175 --> 01:06:11,375
Speaker 4: for the people moving in to do what they want

1142
01:06:11,415 --> 01:06:11,975
Speaker 4: to do with it.

1143
01:06:13,375 --> 01:06:16,175
Speaker 5: Clean it thoroughly and leave it clean and leave it.

1144
01:06:16,295 --> 01:06:19,175
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're not generating a headache for the new homeowner.

1145
01:06:20,175 --> 01:06:20,575
Speaker 5: Wow.

1146
01:06:21,335 --> 01:06:23,575
Speaker 4: Yeah, unless you know what's on there and then just

1147
01:06:23,655 --> 01:06:27,415
Speaker 4: reapply another stain, or if it was previously painted and

1148
01:06:27,415 --> 01:06:30,215
Speaker 4: it's just a little bit warm, then repaint it. It

1149
01:06:30,255 --> 01:06:32,495
Speaker 4: all goes down to keeping a record of what you've

1150
01:06:32,495 --> 01:06:35,615
Speaker 4: previously used or what the previous homeowner used and stay

1151
01:06:35,695 --> 01:06:36,735
Speaker 4: with the same system.

1152
01:06:37,095 --> 01:06:39,215
Speaker 5: And in that sense, I think you and I probably

1153
01:06:39,295 --> 01:06:41,735
Speaker 5: both on the same page when we say have a notebook.

1154
01:06:41,735 --> 01:06:43,895
Speaker 5: And I only started doing this a few years ago,

1155
01:06:44,095 --> 01:06:47,855
Speaker 5: but you know, for each project that I do, I'll

1156
01:06:47,975 --> 01:06:50,855
Speaker 5: and now from my own home as well, I've got

1157
01:06:50,855 --> 01:06:53,495
Speaker 5: a notebook in the drawer that I write down all

1158
01:06:53,535 --> 01:06:56,655
Speaker 5: of my paints and other bits and pieces as well,

1159
01:06:57,055 --> 01:07:00,015
Speaker 5: so you know, I've got to do some repairs and maintenance.

1160
01:07:00,055 --> 01:07:01,975
Speaker 5: And I'm thinking, now, did I use a water borne

1161
01:07:01,975 --> 01:07:04,655
Speaker 5: and amal there or did I use an oil born enamel.

1162
01:07:05,095 --> 01:07:08,175
Speaker 5: Did I use sonics or lumber sider on my exterior?

1163
01:07:08,655 --> 01:07:10,775
Speaker 5: And you know sometimes it's all a bit vague, So

1164
01:07:11,015 --> 01:07:13,735
Speaker 5: have that notebook, write it down, keep it in the drawer,

1165
01:07:13,935 --> 01:07:15,855
Speaker 5: and man, it makes life easier.

1166
01:07:16,815 --> 01:07:20,095
Speaker 4: You've got smartphones around, make pictures of the cans, you

1167
01:07:20,135 --> 01:07:23,255
Speaker 4: can write notes on that. Keep an album on your

1168
01:07:23,255 --> 01:07:26,735
Speaker 4: phone or your laptop or your computer with those details,

1169
01:07:26,775 --> 01:07:29,855
Speaker 4: just so you know to use the same things again

1170
01:07:29,935 --> 01:07:30,335
Speaker 4: next time.

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Speaker 5: Wrap, yeah, photograph the label those sorts of things. Yeah, absolutely,

1172
01:07:34,255 --> 01:07:36,735
Speaker 5: there you go. That's a tip mate, Thanks very much.

1173
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Speaker 5: Always good to have you back and enjoy the rest

1174
01:07:39,455 --> 01:07:39,895
Speaker 5: of your day.

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Speaker 4: You too, All the best.

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Speaker 5: Take care. That's Jay from Razine and always good advice

1177
01:07:46,375 --> 01:07:49,055
Speaker 5: when you go into the team at Razine color shops

1178
01:07:49,055 --> 01:07:52,375
Speaker 5: around the country. So any specific advice that you might need,

1179
01:07:52,415 --> 01:07:55,655
Speaker 5: I know we talked about, you know, if you wanted

1180
01:07:55,695 --> 01:07:59,695
Speaker 5: to coat over a powder coated surface. There's a bit

1181
01:07:59,735 --> 01:08:02,535
Speaker 5: of technical detail and that go into the team at

1182
01:08:02,735 --> 01:08:05,415
Speaker 5: Razine color shops around the country. They'll give you all

1183
01:08:05,415 --> 01:08:08,695
Speaker 5: the advice and all of the tools and the paint

1184
01:08:08,695 --> 01:08:11,015
Speaker 5: you need to do those jobs. It is seven thirty

1185
01:08:11,015 --> 01:08:13,895
Speaker 5: six here at News Talk SB. We're back into building

1186
01:08:13,935 --> 01:08:16,735
Speaker 5: and construction. If you've got a question of a building nature,

1187
01:08:16,775 --> 01:08:19,935
Speaker 5: call us now. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

1188
01:08:19,975 --> 01:08:20,775
Speaker 5: that number to call?

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Speaker 1: Doing other house storting the garden asked feet for a

1190
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Speaker 1: hand the resident builder with feeder wolfcab call eight hundred

1191
01:08:28,375 --> 01:08:29,055
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 5: News talks EDB your news talk ZB. We're back into building.

1193
01:08:33,335 --> 01:08:35,695
Speaker 5: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Sarah,

1194
01:08:35,735 --> 01:08:39,055
Speaker 5: good morning, good boarding teat, how are you very well?

1195
01:08:39,095 --> 01:08:40,535
Speaker 5: And you good?

1196
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Speaker 13: Thank you good. We got a bit of a tricky

1197
01:08:43,815 --> 01:08:47,575
Speaker 13: what I just missed the segment with Jay, but we've

1198
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Speaker 13: had a building inspectrinal property. They've flagged the roof in

1199
01:08:52,375 --> 01:08:55,095
Speaker 13: the gathering. We know the gathering's got to be replaced,

1200
01:08:55,135 --> 01:09:00,615
Speaker 13: so then step straightforward. They've suggested maybe either repaint or

1201
01:09:00,695 --> 01:09:03,495
Speaker 13: re roof, and that's where we're stuck. We've just had

1202
01:09:03,535 --> 01:09:06,975
Speaker 13: two quotes come in for the painting. Yep, we're weighing

1203
01:09:07,375 --> 01:09:12,655
Speaker 13: for the reroof quotes, right, twenty thousand dollars including GSP

1204
01:09:13,495 --> 01:09:17,855
Speaker 13: to repaint the roof, prep paint scaffolding.

1205
01:09:18,655 --> 01:09:22,015
Speaker 5: Ah yeah, yeah, and look.

1206
01:09:21,815 --> 01:09:24,135
Speaker 13: We understand the scaffholdings a big part of it. We

1207
01:09:24,215 --> 01:09:27,255
Speaker 13: understand it makes sense gathering done at the same time,

1208
01:09:28,255 --> 01:09:30,455
Speaker 13: but it's just twenty thous.

1209
01:09:30,335 --> 01:09:37,215
Speaker 5: So the twenty thousand includes replacing the spouting as well. No, no, okay,

1210
01:09:37,255 --> 01:09:40,015
Speaker 5: but if you were going to scaffold, so the scaffolding

1211
01:09:40,095 --> 01:09:44,455
Speaker 5: is there, essentially is edge protection, right, So contractors, as

1212
01:09:44,535 --> 01:09:47,135
Speaker 5: part of their responsibility in terms of health and safety,

1213
01:09:47,535 --> 01:09:49,895
Speaker 5: have to ensure that they've got a way of managing

1214
01:09:49,935 --> 01:09:52,455
Speaker 5: the risk of being on the roof. Now, to be fair,

1215
01:09:52,535 --> 01:09:57,935
Speaker 5: that doesn't necessarily always have to include scaffolding. So depending

1216
01:09:57,975 --> 01:10:00,015
Speaker 5: on the amount of time that they might have to

1217
01:10:00,015 --> 01:10:03,135
Speaker 5: spend on the roof, having a harness or another system

1218
01:10:03,335 --> 01:10:08,015
Speaker 5: is also a way of managing that risk. Right, So

1219
01:10:08,615 --> 01:10:11,055
Speaker 5: you know, maybe you want to get another quote. Maybe

1220
01:10:11,055 --> 01:10:15,175
Speaker 5: there's another contractor who uses a different approach and zone

1221
01:10:15,215 --> 01:10:18,055
Speaker 5: so it doesn't have to have the scaffolding and uses

1222
01:10:18,375 --> 01:10:20,735
Speaker 5: harnesses that sort of thing. It is a two story

1223
01:10:21,415 --> 01:10:25,335
Speaker 5: ah radio, yes, So.

1224
01:10:25,135 --> 01:10:30,335
Speaker 13: Basically it's five thousand for the scaffold, plus plus weekly

1225
01:10:30,655 --> 01:10:34,335
Speaker 13: hire a four hundred plus GST. So look, I understand

1226
01:10:34,415 --> 01:10:38,015
Speaker 13: that's a big component. We have a go with what

1227
01:10:38,135 --> 01:10:40,895
Speaker 13: we've had. Two quotes now they're the same, so it's

1228
01:10:40,975 --> 01:10:43,295
Speaker 13: telling us at the same cost.

1229
01:10:42,455 --> 01:10:43,935
Speaker 5: It's yeah, what.

1230
01:10:43,775 --> 01:10:46,935
Speaker 13: We're wondering, are we better just to re roof. It's

1231
01:10:46,935 --> 01:10:51,935
Speaker 13: a color steel RoAF, Yep, it's twenty seven years old. Yep,

1232
01:10:53,015 --> 01:10:56,255
Speaker 13: you can paint it. That's not going to stop anything

1233
01:10:56,655 --> 01:10:58,455
Speaker 13: if we have a problem down the track. Are we

1234
01:10:58,535 --> 01:11:01,095
Speaker 13: better to I don't know. It might be another ten thousand,

1235
01:11:02,615 --> 01:11:06,015
Speaker 13: Pay another ten thousand or fifteen and get the roof done.

1236
01:11:06,735 --> 01:11:09,535
Speaker 5: It just comes down to budget, right, So it does

1237
01:11:09,575 --> 01:11:12,655
Speaker 5: actually make a lot of sense to do the research

1238
01:11:12,655 --> 01:11:14,655
Speaker 5: and then you can make a fully informed decision because

1239
01:11:14,655 --> 01:11:17,575
Speaker 5: you're right. You could spend the twenty grand now and

1240
01:11:17,615 --> 01:11:21,055
Speaker 5: paint it and find that in five years time, you know,

1241
01:11:21,135 --> 01:11:23,695
Speaker 5: the roof reaches the end of its life and you

1242
01:11:23,775 --> 01:11:25,895
Speaker 5: have to replace it, in which case the twenty grands

1243
01:11:25,895 --> 01:11:31,055
Speaker 5: wasted in a sense, or you know, in some cases

1244
01:11:31,135 --> 01:11:33,895
Speaker 5: you might find that the addition, you know, treatment of

1245
01:11:33,895 --> 01:11:36,335
Speaker 5: any rust if there is any, and then a really

1246
01:11:36,415 --> 01:11:39,095
Speaker 5: good quality paint job will extend the life of it

1247
01:11:39,335 --> 01:11:42,135
Speaker 5: fifteen or twenty years time, in which case the twenty

1248
01:11:42,175 --> 01:11:44,375
Speaker 5: grand is a worthwhile investment.

1249
01:11:44,015 --> 01:11:49,135
Speaker 13: Money well spend exactly. And that's the dilemma, because yes,

1250
01:11:49,175 --> 01:11:52,655
Speaker 13: we can afford to put a new roof on. But

1251
01:11:52,775 --> 01:11:55,295
Speaker 13: we've probably offered too much on the property in the

1252
01:11:55,295 --> 01:11:56,175
Speaker 13: first place.

1253
01:11:56,015 --> 01:11:56,935
Speaker 5: Right to secure it.

1254
01:11:59,095 --> 01:12:01,055
Speaker 12: Yeah, and then you look at it.

1255
01:12:01,415 --> 01:12:03,735
Speaker 5: You know, from a purely commercial point of view, where

1256
01:12:03,735 --> 01:12:05,615
Speaker 5: we go, Okay, so let's say it's going to cost

1257
01:12:05,615 --> 01:12:10,055
Speaker 5: me forty five thousand dollars to reroof it, and I

1258
01:12:10,175 --> 01:12:12,495
Speaker 5: might be here for three or four years or five years,

1259
01:12:12,575 --> 01:12:14,375
Speaker 5: and then I'm going to sell it. And the person

1260
01:12:14,415 --> 01:12:16,295
Speaker 5: who gets the benefit is the next is it going

1261
01:12:16,295 --> 01:12:18,415
Speaker 5: to add value to the house? Will I? Will I

1262
01:12:18,455 --> 01:12:20,575
Speaker 5: get that back later on? That's also part of your

1263
01:12:20,575 --> 01:12:21,215
Speaker 5: decision making.

1264
01:12:21,255 --> 01:12:25,615
Speaker 13: That's a very important point tonight. I think based on that,

1265
01:12:25,615 --> 01:12:30,255
Speaker 13: that's that's probably given us a clarity we need. You're

1266
01:12:30,335 --> 01:12:34,535
Speaker 13: right for restyle down the track. Actually better to pay

1267
01:12:34,535 --> 01:12:36,655
Speaker 13: a little bit more now because obviously it would cost

1268
01:12:36,655 --> 01:12:38,935
Speaker 13: you a lot more and as you say, five seven

1269
01:12:39,015 --> 01:12:41,295
Speaker 13: years time, if you're still there and then you've got

1270
01:12:41,335 --> 01:12:43,975
Speaker 13: to reroof then yeah, look, and.

1271
01:12:43,935 --> 01:12:46,575
Speaker 5: It depends on much, isn't it what your intention is

1272
01:12:46,615 --> 01:12:48,295
Speaker 5: for the You know, do you intend to stay in

1273
01:12:48,335 --> 01:12:50,095
Speaker 5: the house for the next ten or fifteen years, in

1274
01:12:50,135 --> 01:12:50,935
Speaker 5: which case we.

1275
01:12:52,815 --> 01:12:55,655
Speaker 13: Do expect to stay there for ten that's our retirement

1276
01:12:55,775 --> 01:13:01,015
Speaker 13: at the last step. But it just came. These things

1277
01:13:01,055 --> 01:13:05,175
Speaker 13: always commonly feel, don't they pet We just thought, oh great,

1278
01:13:05,415 --> 01:13:07,095
Speaker 13: it's only going to be a little bit of minor

1279
01:13:07,135 --> 01:13:09,655
Speaker 13: maintenance and we're still in the house. It'll be perfect.

1280
01:13:09,695 --> 01:13:12,775
Speaker 13: So we just went in thinking, right, we're going to

1281
01:13:12,775 --> 01:13:15,455
Speaker 13: secure it, and we probably have overpaid, but I mean

1282
01:13:15,495 --> 01:13:19,775
Speaker 13: we're still under conditions, so I guess we can still negotiate.

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Speaker 13: But I do want the house. We haven't purchased it yet, so.

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Speaker 5: Ah, okay, well that changes the dynamic that as well.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, we've got till the middle of next week to

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Speaker 13: make a decision. We're either go unconditional or we pull out.

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Speaker 5: Have you asked for a contractor to give you a

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Speaker 5: price for reroofing.

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Speaker 13: I'm just waiting for that to come. Okay as well,

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Speaker 13: we've got one the main companies actually through Aukland. This

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Speaker 13: is actually in the South Island when the job's being done.

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Speaker 13: But we're hoping to get that quote on Monday or Tuesday.

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Speaker 13: It'll come in the nick of time. Yes, without looking

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Speaker 13: at it, they've sort of quoted thirty thousand, maybe thirty

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Speaker 13: five to re roof. Yep, but we've had hit the

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Speaker 13: guy on site now, so we're just waiting. It's just,

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Speaker 13: you know, it's an Edmund thing. Now he's submitted as findings.

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Speaker 13: We're just waiting for that report to come through.

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Speaker 5: Look, the great thing is that you've given yourself some

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01:14:22,855 --> 01:14:26,815
Speaker 5: runway to make these decisions. You're full and making a

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01:14:26,855 --> 01:14:30,975
Speaker 5: fully informed decision is the great thing. Yes, yes, let

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Speaker 5: us know how you get on.

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Speaker 14: I will.

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Speaker 13: We still want the house, but we want to do

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01:14:36,015 --> 01:14:39,455
Speaker 13: the right thing. We've got a little bit spere. Look,

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01:14:39,895 --> 01:14:42,855
Speaker 13: I think it makes perfect sense to re roAP it.

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01:14:42,935 --> 01:14:45,255
Speaker 5: Also right now feels like it's a bit of a

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01:14:45,255 --> 01:14:47,815
Speaker 5: buyer's market. So you know, you're probably in not a

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01:14:47,815 --> 01:14:48,775
Speaker 5: bad position.

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Speaker 13: To no one else around it? Don't we keep asking

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01:14:51,375 --> 01:14:53,535
Speaker 13: the agent have there been any other offers? Are there

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Speaker 13: any other interest at the.

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Speaker 12: Stage, it's no, Yeah, yeah, I mean we've.

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Speaker 13: Gone fifty thousand over there have they? Maybe it was

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01:15:01,855 --> 01:15:04,695
Speaker 13: a bit silly, we should have gone and it asking,

1316
01:15:04,815 --> 01:15:08,815
Speaker 13: but we just wanted to secure it, right, must add

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01:15:08,855 --> 01:15:10,015
Speaker 13: on to so many other properties.

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01:15:10,055 --> 01:15:15,055
Speaker 5: But you know, hey, good luck, good luck. Alright, you

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01:15:15,095 --> 01:15:19,535
Speaker 5: take care of you and Mary? How are you.

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01:15:21,775 --> 01:15:22,655
Speaker 11: Sorry? Is that Mary?

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01:15:23,735 --> 01:15:24,935
Speaker 5: It is Mary Greeting?

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01:15:25,215 --> 01:15:25,895
Speaker 14: Sorry, I was.

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Speaker 11: Just taking you off the speaker. I wanted to ask

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01:15:30,135 --> 01:15:36,015
Speaker 11: you about roof or soft events. Yes, nineteen sixties house

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01:15:36,295 --> 01:15:43,935
Speaker 11: haven't got any events at all. A concrete tile are roofing.

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01:15:44,575 --> 01:15:48,735
Speaker 11: I just wondered how effective are they for that's reducing

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01:15:48,855 --> 01:15:52,975
Speaker 11: heat in the summer, and what effects it would they

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01:15:53,095 --> 01:15:58,215
Speaker 11: have in the winter, right, I.

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Speaker 5: Mean concrete tile roofs. The one thing we know about

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01:16:00,535 --> 01:16:06,415
Speaker 5: them is that they're pretty drafty. Right, So you know

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01:16:06,455 --> 01:16:08,895
Speaker 5: if you said to me it was an iron roof

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01:16:09,175 --> 01:16:11,855
Speaker 5: with building underlay and so on, then there might be

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Speaker 5: an advantage to Increasingly we're starting to do ventilated ridge caps, right.

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01:16:17,335 --> 01:16:20,655
Speaker 5: That mean air that's underneath and that heats up underneath

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01:16:20,695 --> 01:16:22,975
Speaker 5: the iron has somewhere to vent at the top. But

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01:16:23,015 --> 01:16:26,455
Speaker 5: if you've got a concrete tile roof, regardless of age,

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01:16:26,455 --> 01:16:30,415
Speaker 5: regardless of color, will have you know, so many gaps

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01:16:30,415 --> 01:16:33,895
Speaker 5: and cracks in it that allows for airflow that adding

1339
01:16:34,055 --> 01:16:38,135
Speaker 5: additional vents to a concrete tile roof is probably pointless

1340
01:16:40,975 --> 01:16:44,255
Speaker 5: because and I mean if you ever go up there, well,

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01:16:44,495 --> 01:16:47,455
Speaker 5: what's really intriguing, particularly if it's one that's over a

1342
01:16:47,495 --> 01:16:49,735
Speaker 5: certain degree you don't need to have a roofing underlay

1343
01:16:50,655 --> 01:16:53,815
Speaker 5: is put a light up there and go outside at nighttime,

1344
01:16:53,975 --> 01:16:55,935
Speaker 5: turn the light on and go outside and have a

1345
01:16:55,935 --> 01:16:59,495
Speaker 5: look at your roof. It'll look like a constellation of

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01:16:59,535 --> 01:17:05,215
Speaker 5: stars that you will see so much light it's quite remarkable. So, yeah,

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01:17:05,255 --> 01:17:08,615
Speaker 5: there will be lots of air flow already there, which

1348
01:17:08,615 --> 01:17:10,255
Speaker 5: actually might be a problem for a whole lot of

1349
01:17:10,255 --> 01:17:13,615
Speaker 5: other things. But in terms of ventilation, there will be

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01:17:13,855 --> 01:17:16,575
Speaker 5: plenty of ventilation in that underneath that concrete roof.

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01:17:17,575 --> 01:17:19,015
Speaker 11: Oh that's great, that's nice to know.

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01:17:20,095 --> 01:17:25,335
Speaker 5: Yeah, to be fair, that's good in one circumstance. It's

1353
01:17:25,535 --> 01:17:28,975
Speaker 5: not particularly good in other circumstances. But let's not worry

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01:17:29,015 --> 01:17:29,815
Speaker 5: about that right now.

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01:17:30,895 --> 01:17:33,895
Speaker 11: All right, okay, all.

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Speaker 8: The very best.

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Speaker 5: You take care. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty, the number

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01:17:37,175 --> 01:17:39,615
Speaker 5: to four. We're taking your building questions. If you've got

1359
01:17:39,615 --> 01:17:42,655
Speaker 5: a question, call us now eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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01:17:42,695 --> 01:17:44,335
Speaker 5: It is eleven minutes away from it.

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Speaker 1: Whether you're paty with ceiling fixings or wondering how to

1362
01:17:47,815 --> 01:17:50,135
Speaker 1: fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter wolf Cap

1363
01:17:50,255 --> 01:17:54,815
Speaker 1: call on eighty the resident builder on Youth Dogs B.

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01:17:55,575 --> 01:17:57,575
Speaker 5: This morning, we've got a chance to catch up with

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01:17:57,655 --> 01:18:00,775
Speaker 5: Mark Haldane from sweet Water Construction, based in the far

1366
01:18:00,855 --> 01:18:03,255
Speaker 5: North up in Kaitai. Mark is going to give us

1367
01:18:03,255 --> 01:18:05,455
Speaker 5: a bit of a rundown on his experience with the

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01:18:05,535 --> 01:18:09,815
Speaker 5: j and OL try board panel housing and jframe. So Mark,

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01:18:09,815 --> 01:18:11,895
Speaker 5: thanks very much for joining us. Let's get started with

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Speaker 5: the triboard panel housing construction. What are the key advantages

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Speaker 5: from your perspective.

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Speaker 15: A couple of key advantages are the efficiency of the panel.

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01:18:22,655 --> 01:18:25,815
Speaker 15: A lot of the works done off site, so once

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01:18:25,855 --> 01:18:27,815
Speaker 15: we actually get them to site, it just makes it

1375
01:18:27,935 --> 01:18:30,655
Speaker 15: so much more efficient, I guess to stand it in

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01:18:31,775 --> 01:18:32,615
Speaker 15: constructor houses.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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01:18:34,935 --> 01:18:38,295
Speaker 15: Another one is the waste. It's just yeah, way less

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01:18:38,295 --> 01:18:42,055
Speaker 15: waste on sites. That makes it less you know, environmental

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01:18:42,855 --> 01:18:45,175
Speaker 15: factor of that and yeah.

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Speaker 5: Cough, okay, hey, Now in terms of tryboard, let's say

1382
01:18:49,735 --> 01:18:53,775
Speaker 5: over conventional framing, those advantages you talk about the speed,

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01:18:53,855 --> 01:18:57,095
Speaker 5: the lack of waste, those sorts of things. What other advantages.

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Speaker 15: The strength it's super strong a so yeah, in terms

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01:19:03,935 --> 01:19:07,615
Speaker 15: of bracing elements and you know, have you got tenants

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01:19:07,735 --> 01:19:10,215
Speaker 15: or kids or something like that, they can save you

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01:19:10,215 --> 01:19:11,775
Speaker 15: a few dollars of repairs.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. And now understanding that you're also collaborating with Vincent

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Speaker 5: Garten from Strand Homes and Kaitia. How's that working out?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, it's fantastic to be working with you know, supply

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01:19:25,495 --> 01:19:28,215
Speaker 15: like that. They kind of and do house and land packages,

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01:19:28,295 --> 01:19:32,535
Speaker 15: so it just makes it, yeah, very easy to working

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Speaker 15: with them. And yeah, built some houses up here.

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Speaker 5: Awesome. Another part of what Jane Old you can do

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01:19:39,615 --> 01:19:42,575
Speaker 5: is Jframe the LVL. Now I've been using it for

1396
01:19:42,615 --> 01:19:47,815
Speaker 5: about at least fifteen years or so. You'll switch to Jframe.

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01:19:47,895 --> 01:19:48,655
Speaker 5: How have you found that?

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01:19:49,815 --> 01:19:50,935
Speaker 6: Yes, it's been fantastic.

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Speaker 15: We've only I've just done my first house out of it,

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01:19:54,455 --> 01:19:58,935
Speaker 15: and yeah it's a good size house and it's yeah,

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01:19:58,975 --> 01:20:02,215
Speaker 15: it's very straight and strong, which is hasn't been you know,

1402
01:20:02,255 --> 01:20:04,695
Speaker 15: twisting and buying like like the pink stuff normally does.

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01:20:06,535 --> 01:20:10,375
Speaker 5: If other chippies are thinking about moving from conventional framing

1404
01:20:10,415 --> 01:20:12,935
Speaker 5: to jframe, what would be your top tip given that

1405
01:20:12,935 --> 01:20:13,975
Speaker 5: you've just swapped over.

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01:20:16,095 --> 01:20:18,495
Speaker 15: A nice service now going because it's a bit harder

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01:20:18,495 --> 01:20:21,175
Speaker 15: to shuldenter than the soft tank stuff, right, and actually

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01:20:21,175 --> 01:20:24,215
Speaker 15: you're locked after your now going and it's yeah, ready

1409
01:20:24,215 --> 01:20:25,855
Speaker 15: to go and it goes sweep.

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01:20:25,975 --> 01:20:29,455
Speaker 5: So that's brilliant. Hey, and you know twenty twenty four,

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01:20:29,615 --> 01:20:31,815
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three, to some degree, has been pretty tough

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01:20:32,055 --> 01:20:36,015
Speaker 5: for chippies. For you and the team at Sweetwater Construction,

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01:20:36,255 --> 01:20:37,815
Speaker 5: what does twenty twenty five look like?

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01:20:38,975 --> 01:20:41,855
Speaker 15: Probably the highest priorities punishing off on these pretty cool

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01:20:41,975 --> 01:20:46,375
Speaker 15: projects we've got going at the moment. Yeah, there's a

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01:20:46,415 --> 01:20:48,215
Speaker 15: few clear bit of work that was stuck into at

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01:20:48,255 --> 01:20:50,335
Speaker 15: the moment. Just yeah, just ticking those boxes and making

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Speaker 15: sure we finish those projects are the best best as

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01:20:53,175 --> 01:20:53,495
Speaker 15: we can.

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Speaker 5: So awesome. Hey, thanks for joining us this morning and

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01:20:56,375 --> 01:20:59,575
Speaker 5: really appreciate the insights and hope that this year works

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01:20:59,575 --> 01:21:01,895
Speaker 5: out really well for you. To check out Mark's work,

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01:21:02,015 --> 01:21:05,455
Speaker 5: have a look at Sweetwaterconstruction dot co dot nz. To

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01:21:05,535 --> 01:21:09,455
Speaker 5: learn more about Tryboard and Jaframe, go to JNL dot

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01:21:09,455 --> 01:21:12,655
Speaker 5: co dot nz your newstalk CB. It was great to

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01:21:12,695 --> 01:21:15,295
Speaker 5: catch up with Mark Sweetwater Construction. Check him out and

1427
01:21:15,335 --> 01:21:17,895
Speaker 5: if you want to see more about jaframe, which is

1428
01:21:17,935 --> 01:21:22,735
Speaker 5: an ALVL framing timber, or about tryboard, checkout JNL dot

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01:21:22,735 --> 01:21:25,575
Speaker 5: co dot m said. We'll talk to Glenn us straight

1430
01:21:25,615 --> 01:21:28,135
Speaker 5: after news, sport and weather top of the hour. Remember

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01:21:28,175 --> 01:21:30,695
Speaker 5: the rude clin past will join us as always from

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01:21:30,735 --> 01:21:33,055
Speaker 5: eight point thirty this morning, and also just a little

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01:21:33,055 --> 01:21:35,335
Speaker 5: bit of information just in terms of the station and

1434
01:21:35,375 --> 01:21:37,015
Speaker 5: so on. I've got an email this week from the

1435
01:21:37,055 --> 01:21:40,535
Speaker 5: bosses going, hey, there's a new system for packaging up

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01:21:40,535 --> 01:21:44,615
Speaker 5: the podcast. So this program, The Resident Builder on Sunday

1437
01:21:44,895 --> 01:21:49,135
Speaker 5: appears and as available as a podcast for you should

1438
01:21:49,215 --> 01:21:52,415
Speaker 5: be relatively quickly at the conclusion of the program. So

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01:21:52,455 --> 01:21:54,575
Speaker 5: if there's something that we were talking about, some of

1440
01:21:54,575 --> 01:21:56,615
Speaker 5: the technical stuff that you want to have a listen

1441
01:21:56,695 --> 01:22:00,135
Speaker 5: to again, or listen to it in the cars, it'll

1442
01:22:00,135 --> 01:22:03,495
Speaker 5: be available as a podcast easily by nine o'clock or

1443
01:22:03,535 --> 01:22:06,455
Speaker 5: just after nine o'clock each day were each Sunday, which

1444
01:22:06,535 --> 01:22:09,255
Speaker 5: is awesome. If you've got some building questions, you should

1445
01:22:09,295 --> 01:22:10,855
Speaker 5: call us right now. We'll get that set up and

1446
01:22:10,855 --> 01:22:13,535
Speaker 5: we'll talk straight after news, sport and weather. Top of

1447
01:22:13,535 --> 01:22:14,495
Speaker 5: the hour at eight o'clock.

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01:22:15,295 --> 01:22:18,895
Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor get the right advice from

1449
01:22:18,975 --> 01:22:22,455
Speaker 1: Peter wolf Camp, the Resident Builder on News Talk SEB.

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01:22:23,295 --> 01:22:25,655
Speaker 5: Right, Oh, good morning, welcome along to the show Resident

1451
01:22:25,735 --> 01:22:28,855
Speaker 5: Builder on Sunday with me Pete wolf Camp right through

1452
01:22:28,935 --> 01:22:31,335
Speaker 5: till eight o'clock. We change gear at about eight point

1453
01:22:31,335 --> 01:22:34,215
Speaker 5: thirty jump into the garden with herd climb passed, so

1454
01:22:34,655 --> 01:22:37,175
Speaker 5: stand by for that but right now we're talking building.

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01:22:37,415 --> 01:22:40,615
Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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01:22:40,615 --> 01:22:42,495
Speaker 5: to call plan US. Good morning to you.

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01:22:43,055 --> 01:22:44,055
Speaker 16: How are you, my friend?

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01:22:44,175 --> 01:22:46,815
Speaker 5: I'm well and yourself not too good.

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01:22:46,815 --> 01:22:49,055
Speaker 16: I've got skin cancer on my left hand. So that's

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01:22:49,135 --> 01:22:54,375
Speaker 16: a different story. Yes, it's a new policy that's going

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01:22:54,415 --> 01:22:58,815
Speaker 16: in with the crylic nylon I mean, well and acrylic carpet. Well,

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01:22:58,855 --> 01:23:03,415
Speaker 16: it's not a policing plan. House a crilic downstairs and

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01:23:03,495 --> 01:23:06,135
Speaker 16: one upstairs. Yep, the house. The house is not built

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01:23:06,175 --> 01:23:08,775
Speaker 16: on foundation. It's built on the ground because it used

1465
01:23:08,815 --> 01:23:10,695
Speaker 16: to be a quarry in this house and the old

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01:23:10,695 --> 01:23:15,775
Speaker 16: place concrete, the old fashion, remember the old fiber light

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01:23:15,855 --> 01:23:19,175
Speaker 16: houses they used to build during the war, those prefab

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01:23:19,215 --> 01:23:25,815
Speaker 16: type houses housing cook ones. Basically, I'm wanting to know

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01:23:25,855 --> 01:23:29,095
Speaker 16: when they're changing from acrylic to wool because they reckon

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Speaker 16: that these carpets are not the best of policy to them.

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Speaker 5: Okay, now, how we've got to take a couple of

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01:23:35,175 --> 01:23:38,855
Speaker 5: steps back. As best I understand it, it's nothing about policy.

1473
01:23:39,135 --> 01:23:41,295
Speaker 5: Where the story has come from and where it's got

1474
01:23:41,335 --> 01:23:44,215
Speaker 5: some traction is I think it was it was KO

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01:23:44,375 --> 01:23:46,095
Speaker 5: and at one stage I think it was the Ministry

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01:23:46,095 --> 01:23:51,375
Speaker 5: of education as well basically excluded the possibility of installing

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01:23:51,415 --> 01:23:54,575
Speaker 5: wool carpet. Right, they just went right for our buildings,

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01:23:54,735 --> 01:23:58,175
Speaker 5: particularly KAO kind of what they went, Look, we're just

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01:23:58,255 --> 01:24:02,215
Speaker 5: not going to entertain offers to install wool carpet. We're

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Speaker 5: just going to exclude it. Now. That struck me as foolish.

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01:24:06,895 --> 01:24:09,495
Speaker 5: And so the story that's been in the news this

1482
01:24:09,575 --> 01:24:13,055
Speaker 5: week is that there's been a policy change in terms

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01:24:13,095 --> 01:24:16,615
Speaker 5: of procurement. This is not legislation. This is kind of,

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Speaker 5: I guess, an internal procurement decision made by a government

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01:24:22,295 --> 01:24:25,735
Speaker 5: body that it might be their policy, but there's no

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01:24:25,935 --> 01:24:28,575
Speaker 5: legislation around it. It doesn't impact you and I. You

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01:24:28,615 --> 01:24:31,415
Speaker 5: and I when we go out and choose what type

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01:24:31,415 --> 01:24:33,375
Speaker 5: of carpet we'd like to put in our house, can

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Speaker 5: choose from anything that's available. Just by the bye, I

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01:24:37,895 --> 01:24:41,375
Speaker 5: think it was foolish their previous decision to exclude wool

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01:24:41,455 --> 01:24:44,575
Speaker 5: carpet or the possibility of having wool. Now they have

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01:24:44,615 --> 01:24:47,375
Speaker 5: an opportunity to tender to prove that their products is

1493
01:24:47,415 --> 01:24:51,655
Speaker 5: good as or better than and in which case that's

1494
01:24:51,695 --> 01:24:54,375
Speaker 5: what the market's all about. So but you and I

1495
01:24:54,575 --> 01:24:56,335
Speaker 5: as homeowners can do whatever we like.

1496
01:24:57,095 --> 01:24:59,255
Speaker 16: Maybe I should just get a carpet on a rug

1497
01:24:59,375 --> 01:25:01,175
Speaker 16: on top of this one. But why shouldn't I have

1498
01:25:01,215 --> 01:25:03,815
Speaker 16: to go out and buy a great big rug, spend

1499
01:25:04,095 --> 01:25:06,735
Speaker 16: all that money on putting a nice wall, but on

1500
01:25:06,775 --> 01:25:09,495
Speaker 16: top of stair campet when it should be it's only

1501
01:25:09,495 --> 01:25:11,895
Speaker 16: a small area, should be uple listed and had it

1502
01:25:12,095 --> 01:25:14,655
Speaker 16: because underneath it is just sitting on the concrete. There's

1503
01:25:14,655 --> 01:25:16,015
Speaker 16: no insulation underneath it.

1504
01:25:16,655 --> 01:25:18,495
Speaker 5: Are you in kind of ordering housing?

1505
01:25:19,415 --> 01:25:21,535
Speaker 16: I have told him, I've told them many times I've

1506
01:25:21,575 --> 01:25:23,535
Speaker 16: been here five years, and they said, no, you have

1507
01:25:23,575 --> 01:25:26,375
Speaker 16: to go out and buy new carpet for you right

1508
01:25:26,455 --> 01:25:27,895
Speaker 16: on top of this. But I said no.

1509
01:25:28,735 --> 01:25:32,495
Speaker 5: And that might be sort of a whether they have

1510
01:25:32,615 --> 01:25:35,095
Speaker 5: their own policy, and they've probably got a policy around

1511
01:25:35,455 --> 01:25:38,215
Speaker 5: at what point do we need to replace this in

1512
01:25:38,295 --> 01:25:41,015
Speaker 5: terms of being a good landlord, and at what point

1513
01:25:41,095 --> 01:25:43,695
Speaker 5: do you as the occupant have a choice around Well,

1514
01:25:43,735 --> 01:25:45,775
Speaker 5: I'd like to upgrade it, but then you surely you

1515
01:25:45,935 --> 01:25:49,935
Speaker 5: need their approval. But thankfully now in terms of new

1516
01:25:49,935 --> 01:25:52,935
Speaker 5: bills and possibly even in terms of schools, there is

1517
01:25:52,935 --> 01:25:55,575
Speaker 5: a possibility that will get wool carpet into some of

1518
01:25:55,615 --> 01:25:58,775
Speaker 5: those spaces, which when that's our industry that's great. Good

1519
01:25:58,855 --> 01:26:02,615
Speaker 5: luck with all of that. Len Us and Kent a

1520
01:26:02,855 --> 01:26:03,735
Speaker 5: very good morning to you.

1521
01:26:05,135 --> 01:26:08,255
Speaker 14: Good morning, hey, good to speak to you and to you.

1522
01:26:09,095 --> 01:26:09,815
Speaker 5: How can I help?

1523
01:26:10,415 --> 01:26:14,135
Speaker 14: Right, I've got a nineteen seventy two brick and tile

1524
01:26:14,215 --> 01:26:17,295
Speaker 14: flats and yeah, the hose came off the washing machine

1525
01:26:17,815 --> 01:26:21,295
Speaker 14: about a week ago, and yeah, so a big, big

1526
01:26:21,295 --> 01:26:26,215
Speaker 14: flood on the floor and where it is, it's it's

1527
01:26:26,295 --> 01:26:30,175
Speaker 14: up against an internal war and I've got it so

1528
01:26:30,335 --> 01:26:33,295
Speaker 14: nineteen seventy two, but it's got the particle board underneath.

1529
01:26:33,415 --> 01:26:33,615
Speaker 10: Yep.

1530
01:26:34,175 --> 01:26:36,775
Speaker 14: So I've been under the house looked at it, and yes,

1531
01:26:36,855 --> 01:26:39,815
Speaker 14: it was. It was wet for or at least three

1532
01:26:39,895 --> 01:26:42,335
Speaker 14: days in most places, but about a week to dry out.

1533
01:26:44,055 --> 01:26:47,535
Speaker 14: A good portion of it has gone weekbix, a little

1534
01:26:47,535 --> 01:26:50,095
Speaker 14: bit of a week bix vibe. But it's it still

1535
01:26:50,135 --> 01:26:55,895
Speaker 14: seems reasonably solid, which isn't so bad, except my concern

1536
01:26:56,015 --> 01:26:59,095
Speaker 14: is that there's an internal wall sitting on.

1537
01:26:59,135 --> 01:27:02,375
Speaker 5: Top of on top of the particle right, yes.

1538
01:27:02,335 --> 01:27:05,615
Speaker 14: In the sense it's it's not fully structural but semi structural.

1539
01:27:05,655 --> 01:27:09,335
Speaker 14: And I'm just wondering if there's any risk whether I

1540
01:27:09,335 --> 01:27:12,295
Speaker 14: should claim insurance as a repairable because it would be

1541
01:27:12,375 --> 01:27:14,855
Speaker 14: quite difficult to get the wood out from under that

1542
01:27:14,975 --> 01:27:16,255
Speaker 14: internal board.

1543
01:27:18,055 --> 01:27:21,415
Speaker 5: I guess that from funnily enough, it sounds a little

1544
01:27:21,415 --> 01:27:24,175
Speaker 5: bit like a situation that I had to look at

1545
01:27:24,415 --> 01:27:26,335
Speaker 5: during the course of this week. Now it was a

1546
01:27:26,375 --> 01:27:30,495
Speaker 5: slightly later building, but they still had particle board flaws

1547
01:27:31,775 --> 01:27:35,575
Speaker 5: and it ran under an en suite, which is the

1548
01:27:35,615 --> 01:27:38,335
Speaker 5: sort of thing that we don't do anymore. But when

1549
01:27:38,375 --> 01:27:41,055
Speaker 5: I first started building, that's you just use particle board

1550
01:27:41,095 --> 01:27:42,935
Speaker 5: through the whole house and you put your bathrooms on

1551
01:27:42,975 --> 01:27:45,375
Speaker 5: top of it, and you know, we've kind of learned

1552
01:27:45,375 --> 01:27:49,335
Speaker 5: from that. So and in this instance, there is some

1553
01:27:50,735 --> 01:27:54,975
Speaker 5: decay and obvious swelling of the of the particle board,

1554
01:27:55,095 --> 01:27:58,495
Speaker 5: indicating that there's there might be some structural issues later on.

1555
01:27:59,895 --> 01:28:02,655
Speaker 5: But I think that that might be because the leak

1556
01:28:02,815 --> 01:28:05,255
Speaker 5: was not discovered for a number of months and it

1557
01:28:05,335 --> 01:28:08,615
Speaker 5: stayed saturated. So I think in your situation where you

1558
01:28:08,815 --> 01:28:12,935
Speaker 5: have a failure, you have water, and then you identify

1559
01:28:12,975 --> 01:28:16,095
Speaker 5: it and you remediate it quickly by drying it out,

1560
01:28:16,335 --> 01:28:19,295
Speaker 5: especially if you had a dehumidifier in there, and then

1561
01:28:19,335 --> 01:28:22,095
Speaker 5: you keep the dehumidifier running until you find that you're

1562
01:28:22,135 --> 01:28:26,855
Speaker 5: not collecting much water. Right, So, even where the particle

1563
01:28:26,855 --> 01:28:30,855
Speaker 5: board flooring is kind of trapped by the bottom plate.

1564
01:28:31,495 --> 01:28:35,895
Speaker 5: Moisture will still evaporate from there through the use of

1565
01:28:35,935 --> 01:28:40,135
Speaker 5: the dehumidifier, and even if there's some surface swelling, which

1566
01:28:40,175 --> 01:28:44,295
Speaker 5: is not unexpected. You know, I don't know that one

1567
01:28:44,695 --> 01:28:50,575
Speaker 5: event of flood damage would cause or provide the sort

1568
01:28:50,575 --> 01:28:55,055
Speaker 5: of environment for structural decay. I think typically what you

1569
01:28:55,215 --> 01:28:58,655
Speaker 5: see where you have particle board floors that are failing

1570
01:28:59,255 --> 01:29:01,015
Speaker 5: is there's been a leak at the bottom of the

1571
01:29:01,055 --> 01:29:03,415
Speaker 5: shower through the waterproofing, and it's been like that for

1572
01:29:03,455 --> 01:29:06,535
Speaker 5: a couple of years. And I've certainly seen those. I've

1573
01:29:06,575 --> 01:29:08,695
Speaker 5: been in buildings where I've literally put my foot right

1574
01:29:08,735 --> 01:29:12,095
Speaker 5: through the floor right it's been that saturated for that

1575
01:29:12,255 --> 01:29:15,535
Speaker 5: amount of time. But I think a one off event

1576
01:29:15,735 --> 01:29:18,455
Speaker 5: and then you've been able to identify it and remediate

1577
01:29:18,495 --> 01:29:21,375
Speaker 5: it quickly. I actually don't know that I would be

1578
01:29:21,575 --> 01:29:26,095
Speaker 5: terribly concerned if you wanted to sort of take a

1579
01:29:26,095 --> 01:29:30,095
Speaker 5: real belt embraces approach, if there's access and it's thoroughly

1580
01:29:30,215 --> 01:29:32,975
Speaker 5: dry before you close it all in again, you could

1581
01:29:32,975 --> 01:29:36,815
Speaker 5: treat the area with like a timber preservative, and there

1582
01:29:36,855 --> 01:29:39,015
Speaker 5: is a number of those on the market that might

1583
01:29:39,335 --> 01:29:44,495
Speaker 5: that's a sensible precautionary approach. But I think that in

1584
01:29:44,535 --> 01:29:48,415
Speaker 5: your circumstance, I'd probably just ensure that it's really really dry,

1585
01:29:48,575 --> 01:29:51,135
Speaker 5: like leave the dehumidifire running for as long as you

1586
01:29:51,175 --> 01:29:55,455
Speaker 5: possibly can, monitor how much water you're collecting, and once

1587
01:29:55,495 --> 01:29:59,415
Speaker 5: it reduces and stays down, I'd carry on repair it

1588
01:29:59,455 --> 01:30:00,495
Speaker 5: and close it in again.

1589
01:30:01,495 --> 01:30:05,935
Speaker 14: Okay, yeah, I haven't. I haven't opened anything out as such.

1590
01:30:06,575 --> 01:30:09,095
Speaker 14: I do have good access under the house.

1591
01:30:09,335 --> 01:30:12,455
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, Well, let's see. It's hard running a

1592
01:30:12,535 --> 01:30:15,695
Speaker 5: dehumidifier in an open space because essentially you're trying to

1593
01:30:15,735 --> 01:30:20,095
Speaker 5: dehumidify the world. But in an open space in an

1594
01:30:20,095 --> 01:30:23,815
Speaker 5: Auckland these days, it's pretty hard to do. But in

1595
01:30:23,895 --> 01:30:26,255
Speaker 5: an open space you've also got lots of ventilation, right,

1596
01:30:26,295 --> 01:30:29,335
Speaker 5: so there will be natural drying that occurs as well.

1597
01:30:30,655 --> 01:30:32,815
Speaker 5: And again I just want to labor the point. You know,

1598
01:30:32,855 --> 01:30:36,855
Speaker 5: the one off exposure to water through a flood or

1599
01:30:36,855 --> 01:30:41,495
Speaker 5: a leak is quite different to prolonged exposure over a

1600
01:30:41,495 --> 01:30:42,335
Speaker 5: period of time.

1601
01:30:44,015 --> 01:30:48,695
Speaker 14: Yeah, yes, okay, there's I'm just wondering if there was

1602
01:30:48,895 --> 01:30:51,495
Speaker 14: perhaps starting to be mold forming. I just saw a

1603
01:30:51,495 --> 01:30:54,295
Speaker 14: little little few spots of lights and.

1604
01:30:53,535 --> 01:30:54,375
Speaker 4: You can treat that.

1605
01:30:54,295 --> 01:30:55,495
Speaker 5: That would be sensible.

1606
01:30:56,535 --> 01:30:59,455
Speaker 14: And wouldn't that be an indication I mean, I guess

1607
01:30:59,455 --> 01:31:01,855
Speaker 14: that appears in the short term, but longer term that

1608
01:31:01,935 --> 01:31:04,815
Speaker 14: might be any indication that the water is sticking around.

1609
01:31:04,855 --> 01:31:07,055
Speaker 14: But I'm pretty sure it's all gone. I mean within

1610
01:31:07,135 --> 01:31:09,135
Speaker 14: a week it was to touch.

1611
01:31:09,615 --> 01:31:12,215
Speaker 5: I think what you might find is that, yes, the

1612
01:31:12,735 --> 01:31:15,655
Speaker 5: moisture will provide the environment for the mold to grow,

1613
01:31:16,175 --> 01:31:19,855
Speaker 5: but where as the moisture disappears, then the mold it's

1614
01:31:19,975 --> 01:31:22,735
Speaker 5: not an attractive place. It's not an attractive environment, and

1615
01:31:22,815 --> 01:31:24,895
Speaker 5: if you treat it, that should disappear as well.

1616
01:31:26,055 --> 01:31:28,855
Speaker 14: Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, okay, all rank you okay.

1617
01:31:29,015 --> 01:31:31,215
Speaker 14: And for something for something like this, is that the

1618
01:31:31,295 --> 01:31:33,735
Speaker 14: kind of thing if if I was concerned, if it did,

1619
01:31:33,895 --> 01:31:37,575
Speaker 14: if it was very crumbly, then this an insurance job.

1620
01:31:37,655 --> 01:31:38,735
Speaker 14: It's the kind of thing they'll look at.

1621
01:31:38,775 --> 01:31:39,135
Speaker 10: You know that.

1622
01:31:39,335 --> 01:31:41,775
Speaker 5: That's a very good point because you know, and we've

1623
01:31:41,775 --> 01:31:46,375
Speaker 5: had this discussion around insurance a lot. There is gradual

1624
01:31:46,455 --> 01:31:50,975
Speaker 5: damage which is typically excluded, and then there's an event, right,

1625
01:31:51,015 --> 01:31:54,535
Speaker 5: and insurance is about accidents, is my view of it.

1626
01:31:55,015 --> 01:31:59,175
Speaker 5: So there's been a failure, pipe burst, whatever, it's not

1627
01:31:59,455 --> 01:32:02,575
Speaker 5: in your control, and so you've had this event. So

1628
01:32:02,655 --> 01:32:05,495
Speaker 5: I guess what you're doing is sort of future proofing yourself.

1629
01:32:05,495 --> 01:32:10,695
Speaker 5: So I would hoard everything that you've seen photographer, note

1630
01:32:10,735 --> 01:32:13,935
Speaker 5: the time, explain what you did, keep that on record,

1631
01:32:14,095 --> 01:32:16,055
Speaker 5: because what you're saying is, let's say in two or

1632
01:32:16,095 --> 01:32:18,735
Speaker 5: three years time, you find that, in fact, the damage

1633
01:32:18,775 --> 01:32:22,175
Speaker 5: is extensive, the floor is unsound, and then you go

1634
01:32:22,255 --> 01:32:24,615
Speaker 5: back to the insurer and the insurer goes, oh, no,

1635
01:32:24,695 --> 01:32:27,015
Speaker 5: that's because it's gradual damage. You want to be able

1636
01:32:27,095 --> 01:32:29,495
Speaker 5: to prevent them, or you want a response to that,

1637
01:32:29,535 --> 01:32:32,735
Speaker 5: which is though here's the event that caused it. Now

1638
01:32:32,775 --> 01:32:35,815
Speaker 5: they could possibly then go, well, you should have told

1639
01:32:35,895 --> 01:32:38,415
Speaker 5: us at the time, we would have repaired it then.

1640
01:32:38,815 --> 01:32:42,295
Speaker 5: But at least you've got some information. Okay, Yeah, all right,

1641
01:32:42,335 --> 01:32:45,055
Speaker 5: good luck with that. All the very best to you,

1642
01:32:45,215 --> 01:32:47,295
Speaker 5: take care, Thank you. All right, we're going to take

1643
01:32:47,295 --> 01:32:50,135
Speaker 5: short break. We'll talk to Jeff after the break. We

1644
01:32:50,215 --> 01:32:52,055
Speaker 5: probably have time for one more call as well of

1645
01:32:52,095 --> 01:32:54,655
Speaker 5: a building nature before we jump into the garden. With

1646
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1667
01:34:13,455 --> 01:34:18,175
Speaker 5: interesting text that's come through. Actually two just around insurance

1668
01:34:20,055 --> 01:34:23,055
Speaker 5: adele text. I won't mention the name of the insurer,

1669
01:34:23,175 --> 01:34:27,455
Speaker 5: but it's interesting. My new insurance policy includes some cover

1670
01:34:27,575 --> 01:34:31,135
Speaker 5: for gradual damage, but there is a premium increase as well.

1671
01:34:31,255 --> 01:34:34,655
Speaker 5: Interesting one many and then another text saying many insurers

1672
01:34:34,695 --> 01:34:38,135
Speaker 5: consider a burst washing machine supply pipe to be a

1673
01:34:38,255 --> 01:34:41,495
Speaker 5: foreseeable event because they're supposed to be replaced regularly, and

1674
01:34:41,575 --> 01:34:46,095
Speaker 5: yet nobody does. Jeez, I might have to go home

1675
01:34:46,135 --> 01:34:49,015
Speaker 5: and check as well. My washing machine user guide says

1676
01:34:49,015 --> 01:34:53,855
Speaker 5: to replace them every twelve months. Ronicky, I'll better go

1677
01:34:53,895 --> 01:34:59,455
Speaker 5: and have a look at the warranty online. I've mentioned

1678
01:34:59,455 --> 01:35:02,135
Speaker 5: this couple of times that it was my intent to

1679
01:35:02,695 --> 01:35:05,695
Speaker 5: get We had a really interesting conversation. We have lots

1680
01:35:05,695 --> 01:35:08,055
Speaker 5: of interesting conversations, but one that sticks in my mind

1681
01:35:08,135 --> 01:35:14,975
Speaker 5: is around a contractor who had insurance but wanted the

1682
01:35:15,055 --> 01:35:18,615
Speaker 5: homeowner to pay the excess in the event that there

1683
01:35:18,655 --> 01:35:20,855
Speaker 5: was a claim in the future. It got very complicated,

1684
01:35:20,895 --> 01:35:23,615
Speaker 5: but it got me thinking around homeowners, you and I,

1685
01:35:24,175 --> 01:35:27,055
Speaker 5: when do we need to inform our insurer if we're

1686
01:35:27,095 --> 01:35:30,735
Speaker 5: doing some alterations. What are the questions you, as a

1687
01:35:30,775 --> 01:35:33,975
Speaker 5: homeowner or as a client for a contractor working on

1688
01:35:34,095 --> 01:35:37,015
Speaker 5: your house, need to ask them about the types of

1689
01:35:37,055 --> 01:35:39,735
Speaker 5: insurance that they should have to ensure that they're covered,

1690
01:35:39,735 --> 01:35:43,095
Speaker 5: but also that you're covered what's the overlap between their

1691
01:35:43,095 --> 01:35:46,455
Speaker 5: policy and your policy? All of these sorts of things. Anyway,

1692
01:35:46,735 --> 01:35:51,055
Speaker 5: I've managed to get a conversation going with some insurers

1693
01:35:51,375 --> 01:35:53,415
Speaker 5: and I'm hoping in the next couple of weeks that

1694
01:35:53,455 --> 01:35:56,775
Speaker 5: will have a claims expert on to talk about the

1695
01:35:56,815 --> 01:35:59,735
Speaker 5: types of insurances that you and I need as homeowners

1696
01:36:00,495 --> 01:36:04,135
Speaker 5: when we're engaging contractors to do work. So we'll see

1697
01:36:04,135 --> 01:36:06,895
Speaker 5: where that gets to ride. Oh, Jeff, a very good

1698
01:36:06,895 --> 01:36:11,055
Speaker 5: morning to you. Good thanks.

1699
01:36:11,575 --> 01:36:14,655
Speaker 8: Hey, I've just got a question for you. We've just

1700
01:36:15,335 --> 01:36:19,135
Speaker 8: taken kind of sort of over a rental property that

1701
01:36:19,935 --> 01:36:21,935
Speaker 8: we had built in twenty twelve.

1702
01:36:22,415 --> 01:36:24,415
Speaker 4: Yep, and that.

1703
01:36:28,135 --> 01:36:31,375
Speaker 5: I tell you what what we might need to do.

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01:36:31,415 --> 01:36:33,775
Speaker 5: Because I'm just losing you there. We might try on

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01:36:33,855 --> 01:36:38,375
Speaker 5: another line because I'm struggling to hear Jeff Isaiah, if

1706
01:36:38,415 --> 01:36:41,175
Speaker 5: you could maybe get him to call back, and we'll

1707
01:36:41,255 --> 01:36:45,095
Speaker 5: still have time to deal with that prior to swapping over.

1708
01:36:45,815 --> 01:36:48,295
Speaker 5: Now someone Carol has taxed through. Hey, I missed you

1709
01:36:48,335 --> 01:36:51,055
Speaker 5: talking about the three D home hope not. Yes, I

1710
01:36:51,095 --> 01:36:53,255
Speaker 5: did mention it briefly. So one of the things I

1711
01:36:53,415 --> 01:36:55,815
Speaker 5: got a chance to do. I was invited to go

1712
01:36:56,295 --> 01:36:59,175
Speaker 5: and have a look at a factory tour of a

1713
01:36:59,295 --> 01:37:05,535
Speaker 5: three D printed facility. Now I've met the team before

1714
01:37:05,655 --> 01:37:08,295
Speaker 5: and I've I've seen the outcome. I've never actually seen

1715
01:37:08,335 --> 01:37:11,735
Speaker 5: the machine sort of moving around. They didn't do a

1716
01:37:11,775 --> 01:37:13,295
Speaker 5: live print, but they did do a sort of a

1717
01:37:13,375 --> 01:37:16,055
Speaker 5: drive run, so you can see how the machine will

1718
01:37:16,055 --> 01:37:21,495
Speaker 5: extrude out a very strong sort of mortar cement mix.

1719
01:37:22,455 --> 01:37:25,975
Speaker 5: It's about forty MPa when it dries, and it drives

1720
01:37:25,975 --> 01:37:27,655
Speaker 5: in about two or three minutes, so you imagine it

1721
01:37:27,775 --> 01:37:34,415
Speaker 5: extruding essentially a bead of concrete out onto a shape,

1722
01:37:34,455 --> 01:37:36,375
Speaker 5: so there's no form work, it just works its way

1723
01:37:36,415 --> 01:37:39,575
Speaker 5: out and builds these walls in the factory. In this case,

1724
01:37:39,615 --> 01:37:43,375
Speaker 5: they were then transplanted or transported to a site established there.

1725
01:37:43,975 --> 01:37:47,175
Speaker 5: There's some insulation and then there's some reinforcing obviously, and

1726
01:37:47,215 --> 01:37:50,335
Speaker 5: then the roof was put over the top and that's

1727
01:37:50,375 --> 01:37:52,935
Speaker 5: now open as a show home. So if you're curious

1728
01:37:52,975 --> 01:37:55,575
Speaker 5: about these sorts of things, as I am, it's out

1729
01:37:55,615 --> 01:38:00,695
Speaker 5: in Rottkari, just on the outskirts of Hamilton, CBD. Iconic

1730
01:38:00,815 --> 01:38:05,135
Speaker 5: three D are the company that built the house, and

1731
01:38:05,175 --> 01:38:09,135
Speaker 5: they used the three D puting machine at EUROS which

1732
01:38:09,175 --> 01:38:11,935
Speaker 5: is pretty cool system. So yeah, it's there if you

1733
01:38:11,975 --> 01:38:13,295
Speaker 5: want to go and have a look like I did

1734
01:38:13,615 --> 01:38:16,375
Speaker 5: last week. It was quite nice to see both sides

1735
01:38:16,415 --> 01:38:20,055
Speaker 5: of the House represented. Actually, Minister Chris Pink, who we've

1736
01:38:20,095 --> 01:38:22,975
Speaker 5: had on this show was there at the factory tour

1737
01:38:23,015 --> 01:38:25,935
Speaker 5: and came along to the open home, as did I

1738
01:38:25,975 --> 01:38:32,495
Speaker 5: guess his colleague from the other side of the house, Williams,

1739
01:38:33,295 --> 01:38:36,095
Speaker 5: Member of Parliament for I think it's Papatoi or South

1740
01:38:36,095 --> 01:38:38,895
Speaker 5: Auckland somewhere. So that was good to see both sides

1741
01:38:38,935 --> 01:38:40,615
Speaker 5: of the House represent and good to see them out

1742
01:38:40,615 --> 01:38:44,615
Speaker 5: and about looking at what's available as well. That reminds

1743
01:38:44,695 --> 01:38:48,135
Speaker 5: me too that we will get Chris Pink back on

1744
01:38:48,175 --> 01:38:50,575
Speaker 5: the show in the next couple of weeks as well

1745
01:38:51,015 --> 01:38:53,495
Speaker 5: to talk about what the current government's doing in terms

1746
01:38:53,535 --> 01:38:58,455
Speaker 5: of all the talk about winding back H one, consenting

1747
01:38:59,535 --> 01:39:01,975
Speaker 5: self regulation, all of that will get an update from

1748
01:39:01,975 --> 01:39:05,415
Speaker 5: the Minister in the next couple of weeks. Jeff, get

1749
01:39:05,455 --> 01:39:07,735
Speaker 5: a there we go, can you?

1750
01:39:08,255 --> 01:39:09,215
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's good.

1751
01:39:09,335 --> 01:39:12,495
Speaker 5: So Rins will probably twenty twelve purchase how old's the.

1752
01:39:12,455 --> 01:39:16,015
Speaker 8: Building where it was built in twenty twelve.

1753
01:39:15,735 --> 01:39:17,935
Speaker 5: Built in twenty twelve, yep, And.

1754
01:39:18,215 --> 01:39:20,575
Speaker 8: We've we've just got back into it for the first

1755
01:39:20,615 --> 01:39:22,815
Speaker 8: time since it's been rented out for all of that

1756
01:39:22,855 --> 01:39:23,575
Speaker 8: period of time.

1757
01:39:23,695 --> 01:39:25,615
Speaker 5: Okay, so you've moved into it yourselves.

1758
01:39:25,695 --> 01:39:27,335
Speaker 13: Yes, No, we're.

1759
01:39:27,175 --> 01:39:29,495
Speaker 8: Actually just kind of sort of looking a little bit of.

1760
01:39:29,815 --> 01:39:32,135
Speaker 5: Juice and sell it on, Yes, scotcha.

1761
01:39:32,975 --> 01:39:36,295
Speaker 8: So basically, in kind of sort of the very it's

1762
01:39:36,335 --> 01:39:39,855
Speaker 8: on a concrete pad the very back corner where the

1763
01:39:39,895 --> 01:39:42,855
Speaker 8: window is for one of the bedrooms, I'm kind of

1764
01:39:42,895 --> 01:39:45,455
Speaker 8: guessing that the concrete head must have kind of sort

1765
01:39:45,455 --> 01:39:50,175
Speaker 8: of moved very, very slightly in the masonry. If you

1766
01:39:50,215 --> 01:39:53,535
Speaker 8: can imagine, it's like a z crack the masonry and

1767
01:39:53,615 --> 01:39:55,615
Speaker 8: it goes down for maybe three or four bricks. It

1768
01:39:55,615 --> 01:39:59,135
Speaker 8: doesn't go all the way to the floor. I'm wondering

1769
01:39:59,175 --> 01:40:00,575
Speaker 8: what I can do to repair that.

1770
01:40:03,735 --> 01:40:06,975
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's not uncommon and old to houses,

1771
01:40:06,975 --> 01:40:08,975
Speaker 5: but if it's a house that was built in twenty

1772
01:40:09,175 --> 01:40:14,415
Speaker 5: twelve to modern building code, I wouldn't necessarily have expected

1773
01:40:14,455 --> 01:40:19,375
Speaker 5: to see that, you know, like there's sort of a tolerance,

1774
01:40:19,495 --> 01:40:23,735
Speaker 5: let's say for older buildings where maybe the regulations around

1775
01:40:23,895 --> 01:40:28,095
Speaker 5: depth of embedment, type of concrete, amount of reinforcing slab construction,

1776
01:40:28,175 --> 01:40:31,095
Speaker 5: et cetera. Is less than what it is today, but

1777
01:40:31,175 --> 01:40:37,735
Speaker 5: twenty twelve is relatively recent. So while I wouldn't be

1778
01:40:37,775 --> 01:40:43,055
Speaker 5: too alarmist, I think that minor cracking occurs, right, But

1779
01:40:43,175 --> 01:40:47,495
Speaker 5: if you genuinely think that there's actually some subsidence to

1780
01:40:47,575 --> 01:40:49,455
Speaker 5: that corner of the building, is it on a slope

1781
01:40:49,575 --> 01:40:51,255
Speaker 5: or something like that, or do you think it's just

1782
01:40:52,535 --> 01:40:55,575
Speaker 5: ground movement and subsidence in the slab settling of it.

1783
01:40:56,615 --> 01:40:59,415
Speaker 8: I think it's just I mean, it is on very surface,

1784
01:40:59,495 --> 01:41:02,335
Speaker 8: so I think it is just the the slab has

1785
01:41:02,375 --> 01:41:04,175
Speaker 8: just moved very, very slightly.

1786
01:41:04,975 --> 01:41:09,335
Speaker 5: Which again it really shouldn't you know. Like again, if

1787
01:41:09,375 --> 01:41:11,415
Speaker 5: you were saying, I've got this nineteen fifties or ninety

1788
01:41:11,415 --> 01:41:12,975
Speaker 5: and sixties house and I've got a couple of cracks

1789
01:41:12,975 --> 01:41:17,055
Speaker 5: in it, you go, yeah, okay, fair enough. But my

1790
01:41:17,215 --> 01:41:19,815
Speaker 5: sense is it's probably nothing. But I actually think that,

1791
01:41:19,975 --> 01:41:24,175
Speaker 5: given you're the owner, I would be inclined to go

1792
01:41:24,255 --> 01:41:27,535
Speaker 5: to a structural engineer and have them do a survey

1793
01:41:27,615 --> 01:41:32,935
Speaker 5: of it, and possibly even have some gear tech guys

1794
01:41:33,015 --> 01:41:37,615
Speaker 5: just do a test of the ground or whether the

1795
01:41:37,655 --> 01:41:41,215
Speaker 5: structural engineer would be able to identify some movement, maybe

1796
01:41:41,295 --> 01:41:45,455
Speaker 5: even get someone to come inside with a laser and measure.

1797
01:41:46,695 --> 01:41:49,615
Speaker 5: If there's any actual movement in the floor slab would

1798
01:41:49,615 --> 01:41:52,695
Speaker 5: be interesting to know. Again, I don't want to be

1799
01:41:52,975 --> 01:41:59,215
Speaker 5: too alarmist, but I'm just concerned because it's only thirteen

1800
01:41:59,335 --> 01:41:59,695
Speaker 5: years old.

1801
01:42:00,655 --> 01:42:00,895
Speaker 10: Yep.

1802
01:42:01,895 --> 01:42:04,575
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think it would be worth spending the

1803
01:42:04,615 --> 01:42:06,295
Speaker 5: money to get an engineer to have a look at it.

1804
01:42:07,735 --> 01:42:11,135
Speaker 8: Yeah, I meanwithstanding that, but I mean, would there be

1805
01:42:11,335 --> 01:42:12,895
Speaker 8: a book that I could use?

1806
01:42:13,175 --> 01:42:16,015
Speaker 5: Look, yes, there is so if you have a look

1807
01:42:16,015 --> 01:42:18,815
Speaker 5: at Maine Mark. They are probably the largest firm that

1808
01:42:18,895 --> 01:42:21,575
Speaker 5: do this type of work where you can inject eurothane

1809
01:42:21,655 --> 01:42:24,935
Speaker 5: foam into the ground underneath and that will fill any

1810
01:42:24,935 --> 01:42:27,015
Speaker 5: of the voids and if it needs to be lifted,

1811
01:42:27,055 --> 01:42:31,655
Speaker 5: you can actually lift buildings with that injected system. Yeah,

1812
01:42:31,695 --> 01:42:33,095
Speaker 5: so there is a fix as well.

1813
01:42:34,295 --> 01:42:37,255
Speaker 8: Okay, no worries, I'll and that was main Mark.

1814
01:42:38,215 --> 01:42:39,975
Speaker 5: Yes, Main Mark. You'll find them online.

1815
01:42:40,535 --> 01:42:42,695
Speaker 8: Okay, thanks for that, all the very.

1816
01:42:42,575 --> 01:42:45,735
Speaker 5: Best, Thank you very much. Take care, Jeff. Right, we're

1817
01:42:45,735 --> 01:42:47,855
Speaker 5: going to change gear. We're going to jump into the

1818
01:42:47,855 --> 01:42:48,815
Speaker 5: garden back in a.

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01:42:48,775 --> 01:42:53,575
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