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Speaker 1: The government's shaking up work Safe. They want to essentially

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Speaker 1: shift its focus from being an ambulance at the bottom

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Speaker 1: of the hell to engaging and supporting businesses to manage

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Speaker 1: risk and remember the road Cone hotline while that's being

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Speaker 1: hotly and officially launched today. Dave Tilton is the Parallax

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Speaker 1: CEO Traffic Control Training. Dave, good morning to you. Does

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Speaker 1: this sound all like a bit of nothing to you?

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Speaker 1: What do you make of this announcement?

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Speaker 2: I think there's there's pockets of good signals here. I

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Speaker 2: think I certainly support the collaborative intent, very much agree

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Speaker 2: with the connection there between Work Safe and councils and EDGTA.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to rolling out the risk based approach

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Speaker 2: to TTUM, I think that's definitely a direction we need

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Speaker 2: to go in. But there's also probably some incompatible components,

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Speaker 2: particularly with the Rotne hotline itself.

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Speaker 1: What's that? What's the problem with the hot line?

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Speaker 2: I think I suppose we need a list in the

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Speaker 2: capability across the industry with respect to TTM, and a

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Speaker 2: hotline really risks increasing the divide, I think between public

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Speaker 2: behavior and how contractors respond to that. My concern really

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Speaker 2: is that the engaging the public to report that all

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Speaker 2: those perceived errants road cones, if you like, kind of

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Speaker 2: creates a culture of disrespect for roadworks. So public sentiment

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Speaker 2: respect it's really crucial for how effective these worksites are, right,

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Speaker 2: So if that eroads, then the risk is that more

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Speaker 2: tt measures are needed to try and engineer the safe

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Speaker 2: environment to get the work done that I suppose my

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Speaker 2: concern what do.

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Speaker 1: You think the percentage approval rating of your average road

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Speaker 1: come would be? Right now?

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Speaker 2: I've actually asked this question in a bunch of workshops,

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Speaker 2: and it's somewhat hard to remember that the TTM sectors

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Speaker 2: lived with a very prescriptive standard for the last couple

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Speaker 2: of decades. So that's primarily what people make decisions about

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Speaker 2: or using that to make decisions and how they construct

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Speaker 2: their work zones at the moment. So there is a

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Speaker 2: degree of waste, absolutely, It's just it takes a bit

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Speaker 2: of time for that culture shift to show up.

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Speaker 1: David, can you just tell me why when you go

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Speaker 1: on to a very quiet, cold de Sack Street, if

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Speaker 1: somebody is fixing a drain or doing a tiny bit

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Speaker 1: of work, that you could just put a couple of

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Speaker 1: road cones around and people can use their own assessments.

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Speaker 1: They need traffic management, they need lights, and they need

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Speaker 1: people like it just seems absurd.

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Speaker 2: Sorry. It comes back to how people make decisions about

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Speaker 2: how many measures they need, and if it's based on

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Speaker 2: this prescriptive standard it's not this kind of one size

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Speaker 2: fits all, then you end up with a mismatch, certainly

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Speaker 2: in the environments where the risk might be lower. What

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Speaker 2: we really want is people to do a really deliberate

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Speaker 2: and considered specific risk assessments for that environment. And that's

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Speaker 2: not really been the situation or the structure of the

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Speaker 2: system historically.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I really appreciate your times wanting Dave

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Speaker 1: don't thank you very much. That is Dave Tilton. He's

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