1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: Barry so Per, senior political correspondence with US Barry, Hello, 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: good afternoon. On the energy something very close to an 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: energy crisis that we're facing at the moment, act once 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: a cross party accord on this. What are the details? 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: Well, I think they're hoping against all hope actually, because 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: you'll remember it was the Labor government that the first 7 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 2: action it took was to ban all prospecting for gas 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: and for oil, and that hardly going now to turn 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: around and go, yep, we'll agree with that, we'll have 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: a cross party accord. And it's just being bloody stubborn, 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 2: ye when you think about it, because this country is 12 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: at the moment going through an energy crisis. I mean, 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 2: hydro lake levels are very low, there's high seasonal demand 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: for power of course, being in the winter, and wholesale 15 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: prices have spiked to almost double what they were a 16 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: month ago, so things are out of control. The energy 17 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,639 Speaker 2: companies at the moment are sitting on the costs, but 18 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: in the end, unless something gives, that cost will be 19 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: borne by the consumer Electricity Bill. Now, actors calling on 20 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: Labor in the Greens to come to the table to 21 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 2: form some sort of cross party stance that the party's 22 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 2: energy spokesman Simon Courts hears, it'll tell the world that 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: it's a safe place to invest in energy projects, because 24 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: that's what this ban has done. It's driven companies away 25 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: who would invest if they think that investment is going 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: to be undone if there's a change in government now. 27 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 2: Associate Energy Minister Shane Jones, he was on his feet 28 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: in Parliament today and he left it a no doubt 29 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: as to where he and the government stands on our 30 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: dependence on others when it comes to energy stores that 31 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: we actually naturally should have in this country. 32 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: In recent years, Sir, countries around the world have been 33 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: scrambling to strengthen fuel security. We sadly have headed off 34 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 3: in the opposite direction. We've followed a path of flakiness, 35 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: green ruination. How this that those people who thought that 36 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 3: they would improve energy resilience in New Zealand are now 37 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 3: reduced to requiring ongoing imports of Indonesian coal. And we 38 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 3: will stand with industry and ensure that industry is not 39 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 3: monstered by green termites nibbling away at our economic capital, you. 40 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: Know, and he's absolutely right, of course, any right thinking 41 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: person would say exactly that that we've got the resources here. 42 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 4: What are we doing. 43 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 2: We're importing the resources that we can actually uncover in 44 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: this country. It's patently absurd. 45 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: There is a spat between ACT and Jerry Browne still 46 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: kicking on today. 47 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: Well, no it's not. ACT was on its feet and 48 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: I didn't notice any lapel badge, as I know they 49 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: wouldn't be recognized by the Speaker if they did when 50 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 2: it came to questioning. But it was a shamozzel in 51 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: the debating chamber last week, wasn't it where ACT members 52 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: were told to not to wear those lapel badges. David 53 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: Seymour indicated that he was losing confidence in the Speaker, 54 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: Jerry Brownly. Well, today it was a much more orderly affair, 55 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 2: I've got to say it. But it began with Brownly 56 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 2: reminding MPs they have a legitimate route to follow if 57 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: they are upset about how things are going, and not 58 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: just in the debating chamber but in Parliament as a whole. 59 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: He reminded them that they have a Commissioner for Parliamentary 60 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: Standards who they can complain to. 61 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 4: The safe ground of the Commissioner for Parliamentary Standards provides 62 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 4: members and staff with a less time sensitive opportunity to 63 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 4: raise matters which reflect poorly on the culture of this House. 64 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 4: As at two pm today, the Commissioner for Parliamentary Standards 65 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 4: has not received any formal complaints or reports on any 66 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 4: matters relating to stance of behavior and the parliamentary complex 67 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 4: since her appointment. I encourage members to work with the 68 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 4: Commissioner for Parliamentary Standards. We're appropriate great job to have that. 69 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: Lynn Provost is the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner. She was at 70 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: the beginning of last year, so she has now a 71 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: hell of a lot to do. She was the former 72 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: Order to General. I'm not sure how much she costs us. 73 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: I tried to find that out, but without success. I'm afraid. 74 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: Who's off to the Pacific. 75 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 2: Well, isn't it amazing I heard your wonderful interview that 76 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 2: you had with Professor White from Australia about orcust Pillar 77 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 2: two and how it clearly sends a signal to China 78 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 2: that we're currying favor with the Americans as opposed to China, 79 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: who of course is our biggest trading partner by far. 80 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: Now Winston Peters and he's barely at home these days. 81 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 2: He's off to the Pacific on a four country tour. 82 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: It'll be a cross party delegation that he's taking with them. 83 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: And the thing that I find extraordinary is that the 84 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: government had a goal of visiting all seventeen Pacific countries 85 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: this year. Well when they finished this tour, they will 86 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 2: have visited to fourteen out of the seventeen and that's extraordinary. 87 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: So we're currying favor in the Pacific to show that, Look, 88 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: we are at home in the Pacific, not the Chinese, 89 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: who of course have made a lot of inroads into 90 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: this part of the world in recent years by the absence, 91 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 2: I might say, of America. 92 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Winston's definitely raising those energy levels. I thank you, 93 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: very appreciate it. 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