1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Barriso seeing your political correspondence with us. Hey Barry, good afternoon, Hill. Okay, 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: So I mean have the survivors of abuse in state 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: care got a point that apologizing without dealing with the 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: redress is kind of getting they should be done at 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: the same time. 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 2: Well, this thing's been going on for six years the 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: Royal Commission, Yeah, and the government took it over. And 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 2: what Chris Luxin has said in his post cabinet news 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: conference that's just finished. He said that compensation will be 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: part of the budget next year's budget, but it's making 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 2: provision for don't forget Lake Alice. Some Lake Alice patients 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: who were tortured. They got twenty thousand dollars. And the 13 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: point that Luxon did say was that money is not 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 2: going to cure the harm that was done, and it's 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: not so tomorrow it will be just about an an apology. 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: But after that there will be a bill introduced at 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: the House immediately and apparently one of the big bug 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: bears of patients that went through the system with strip searchers, 19 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: particularly of children and care the won't they'll be outlawed 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: in this new law that'll be read for the first 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: time after the apology is made, so they'll be the 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 2: first reading and it'll go then to a Select Committee. 23 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 2: But survivors expecting anything more than an apology tomorrow will 24 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: be disappointed. Compensation, like I said, Chris Luckson says, won't 25 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: come immediately tomorrow. 26 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: Our focus is solely on the apology and we are 27 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 3: expecting around two hundred survivors at Parliament and a further 28 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 3: one thousand people watching via livestream events in Auckland, Wellington 29 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 3: and christ Church. And I know there is nothing I 30 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: can do or say that we'll ever make up for 31 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 3: what survivors endure it but I do hope that in 32 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 3: some small way the apology might help with their healing. 33 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: As we have said, the Government will progress further decisions 34 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: on our response to the recommendations in the report throughout 35 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, including our plans around financial redress. 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: It's a really difficult one, isn't it, because how do 37 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: you arrive at a s how do you decide who 38 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: was treated more poorly than others. It's a very complex issue, 39 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that, and that was made pretty 40 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: clear by the Minister Responsible, Ericus Stanford, and also the 41 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 2: Prime Minister. 42 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: Well Mark Jennings was on before. He couldn't tell us 43 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 1: why Jerry Brownly had unbanned his journal because he promised 44 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: not to tell on Jerry, can you explain what's. 45 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: Going on here? Well, look, this is a very difficult one. Essentially, 46 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: the Prime Minister has said that his office and other 47 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: officers in the Beehive had complained about Aaron Smiles's behavior. 48 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: It's not just in questioning it was and this is 49 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: what's sort of every theory about it. We don't know 50 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: what the behavior was. Essentially, Jerry Brownie, what he would say, 51 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: I think is that he tried to contact newsroom after 52 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: the gallery approved the accreditation. It's temporary accreditation for the 53 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: apology tomorrow and Aaron Smail has done a lot of 54 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: work on it and certainly with survivors of the state 55 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: care and essentially Jerry Brownly apparently tried to contact newsroom. 56 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: They didn't contact him back, didn't return his calls. And 57 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: it seems that today after he had made the band, 58 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: because he had had these complaints to deal with, then 59 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: the contact was made by a newsroom and the band 60 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: was lifted. That's as I understand it. But look, if 61 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: it was questioning that God and band, you'd have to say, 62 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: what were they? What did they have to complain about? 63 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: Have a listen? 64 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: Is this going to lead you to rethink you? 65 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: Of course on games? 66 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 3: Given that many of game members are victims. Well, what 67 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 3: I'd say to you is what it has led us 68 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: to do is to say means sorry. 69 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: Can you say to the game names what would you 70 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: say to them? 71 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 3: Well? Look, I understand many game members that come from 72 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: very dysfunctional upbringings. I get that, but also we can't 73 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 3: have gang members causing pain and suffering. It is a 74 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: volume on the connections. I've read that space. 75 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 2: See that's simply hectoring, and I remember. 76 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: Muldoon, that's not even hectory. 77 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: Well, it's you know, it's basically injective questions. So but 78 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: lux and he told journalists there were issues that have 79 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 2: been discussed with newsroom now about the journalist's behavior, and 80 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: that's why it was raised with the speaker. 81 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: There's a number of issues that have been raised from 82 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 3: not just my team, but also from staff from other 83 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 3: offices as well that we're reflected in conversations with newsroom 84 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: and as a result, you know, that's up to them 85 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 3: to determine how they might want to handle that behavior, 86 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 3: but for us whatever the Speaker of Sites is fine 87 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: by me. 88 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: So there you go. I mean it's sort of up 89 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: in the air. You don't know why now the band 90 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: was really imposed what was said by Beehive officers. But 91 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: you know, the the case of a journalist ever being 92 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: banned by the speaker at Parliament is so rare. Yeah, 93 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: like I said, it happened to me in the eighties 94 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: with Muldoon and the Speaker wanted me to apologize to Muldoon, 95 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: which I didn't do. But then the snap election was called. 96 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: Tom Scott of course was banned by the speak by well, 97 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 2: Muldoon recommended the Speaker ban him and he was. So 98 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: it's very very rare that it ever ever happens. And 99 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: I think probably Jerry's reflecting on this and maybe newsroom 100 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 2: will come back and give a better explanation than what 101 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: they've given. 102 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: Hitherto Barry, thank you very much, Very Soper, Senior political correspondent. 103 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 104 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 105 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.