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Speaker 1: Petrol and travel affected by the wall currently, but we

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Speaker 1: a year to the Gulf. Tom and Clays, the Trade

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Speaker 1: Minister and Associate Minister of Foreign Affairs, as well as

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Speaker 1: with us morning, my good morning on a scale of

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Speaker 1: one to tea and how worried are you?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, our business is export up. They are resilient.

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Speaker 2: But of course we've got people on the ground and

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Speaker 2: not only sort of government staff, but there are the

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Speaker 2: kiwis up there. We are concerned for them and in

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Speaker 2: fact have been reaching out to provide information to them.

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Speaker 2: There is going to be challenges around trade to that

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Speaker 2: part of the world for a period of time. But

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Speaker 2: again we have access to lots of markets, so we're

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Speaker 2: engaging pretty closely with any exportit that may be affected

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Speaker 2: to provide information and to help them.

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Speaker 1: You will only go to another market if you thought

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Speaker 1: this thing was going to drag. We don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's going to drag.

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Speaker 2: Do we No, And that's that's exactly right. I think

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Speaker 2: we're into day three and you know, looking at the

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Speaker 2: media this morning, interesting thing is out of the US.

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Speaker 2: The stock markets have not changed significantly. That tells you

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Speaker 2: two things. They probably already factored something like this, and firstly,

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Speaker 2: but secondly, you know it it is uncertain for New

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Speaker 2: I've got to say it condemned very very strongly our

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Speaker 2: arms action against some of their neighbors who are friendly

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Speaker 2: countries that we go very well with and so on,

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Speaker 2: and that in itself is a big concern.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is that to see trumpsy this morning, it was

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Speaker 1: a surprise to him, which worries me. But you know,

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Speaker 1: do buy can't afford to look like a war zone,

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Speaker 1: can it?

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Speaker 2: No, that's right. I mean, we don't have access to

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Speaker 2: a lot of the information that the US and others

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Speaker 2: will be using. I think all of the countries in

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Speaker 2: that part of the world have a lot of very

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Speaker 2: strategic protection that they can put in place, and they're

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Speaker 2: using that. But you know, for keepers on the grounds,

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Speaker 2: it's concerning that we've got about seven thousand New Zealanders

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Speaker 2: up in that part of the world. We've been sending

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Speaker 2: very clear messages through our embassy and others, the Foreign

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Speaker 2: Minister and Prime Minister about what they should do. We're

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Speaker 2: keeping a very close eye on it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how do you lose product if if you're stuck

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Speaker 1: in the strait at the moment and it's going nowhere,

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Speaker 1: what literally happens to that.

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Speaker 2: Well, decisions will be made over that by the shipping companies.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a lot of ships that are sitting

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Speaker 2: there Waiting's a little bit like you know, there are

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Speaker 2: aircraft sitting around the world waiting to see what happens

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Speaker 2: and where the airspace still opens. You know, most of

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Speaker 2: the perishable product ire supposed that on those ships can

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Speaker 2: be stored for an extended period of time. It's probably

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Speaker 2: too soon for the companies and salves for deciding what

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Speaker 2: to do without the shipping companies, but at a given

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Speaker 2: point in time, you know, they'll have to make decisions.

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Speaker 2: I mean the important thing, Mike, is when it comes

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Speaker 2: to sort of resilience of access to markets and shipping

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Speaker 2: lands and so on. New Zealand one with many countries,

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Speaker 2: have been doing planning since COVID about what would happen here,

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Speaker 2: and so at a given point of time, shipping companies

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Speaker 2: will we'll move to where they have to. But again

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Speaker 2: I think we're day three. It's very early days here.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Appreciate up Tom McLain, who's the Triade Minister

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Speaker 1: Assossociated Minister of Foreign Teas.

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