1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,693 Speaker 1: from News Talks at. 3 00:00:11,653 --> 00:00:30,733 Speaker 2: B mother Gita. 4 00:00:24,813 --> 00:00:28,253 Speaker 1: Call to. 5 00:00:31,653 --> 00:00:35,133 Speaker 2: Caney. 6 00:00:36,453 --> 00:00:38,293 Speaker 3: Ah, that's gorgeous, isn't it? 7 00:00:38,373 --> 00:00:39,013 Speaker 2: That voice? 8 00:00:39,133 --> 00:00:44,733 Speaker 3: My goodness, that's Oatura by Marlon Williams. Of course, New 9 00:00:44,853 --> 00:00:48,093 Speaker 3: Zealand Music Month has officially begun. We're in May, gulp, 10 00:00:48,973 --> 00:00:51,213 Speaker 3: which means that as well as his new album, we 11 00:00:51,253 --> 00:00:54,533 Speaker 3: have a brand new documentary from Marlon Williams. To kick 12 00:00:54,573 --> 00:00:57,293 Speaker 3: us off, Francisca Rudkin, our film reviewer, is here with 13 00:00:57,373 --> 00:01:01,093 Speaker 3: us this morning. Cold to Francisca, you have been to 14 00:01:01,133 --> 00:01:05,493 Speaker 3: see our rua Two Worlds that's showing in cinemas at 15 00:01:05,493 --> 00:01:06,733 Speaker 3: the moment, So tell us about it. 16 00:01:07,933 --> 00:01:11,893 Speaker 4: Ah. Look, this was filmed over four years, As you mentioned. 17 00:01:11,933 --> 00:01:14,893 Speaker 4: It follows musician Marlon Williams as he writes and records 18 00:01:14,893 --> 00:01:20,013 Speaker 4: his first album, Indel. It's a hugely personal project for him. 19 00:01:20,093 --> 00:01:25,693 Speaker 4: Jacket's the story of identity, connecting with his culture, reclaiming Israel, 20 00:01:26,373 --> 00:01:30,413 Speaker 4: and as an artist and as a man finding his 21 00:01:30,573 --> 00:01:34,813 Speaker 4: place in the different worlds that he exists in. And look, 22 00:01:34,853 --> 00:01:40,413 Speaker 4: Marlon Williams is a very charismatic, warm talented person. If 23 00:01:40,453 --> 00:01:42,613 Speaker 4: you've ever interviewed him or sent him a concert. You know, 24 00:01:43,893 --> 00:01:48,653 Speaker 4: he really is very charismatic. But I think interestingly, director 25 00:01:48,733 --> 00:01:52,373 Speaker 4: Ursula Grace Williams realized that you couldn't just rely on 26 00:01:52,453 --> 00:01:56,493 Speaker 4: that when it came to making a documentary about the 27 00:01:56,493 --> 00:01:59,373 Speaker 4: making of an album and Marlon he didn't want a biopic. 28 00:01:59,413 --> 00:02:01,213 Speaker 4: He was like, I'm not ready for that yet. You know, 29 00:02:01,373 --> 00:02:04,973 Speaker 4: I don't want that, but she kind of recognized that 30 00:02:06,373 --> 00:02:10,853 Speaker 4: it be you know, for artists, it's really interesting watching 31 00:02:10,853 --> 00:02:14,253 Speaker 4: the creative process, but if you want to engage people 32 00:02:14,293 --> 00:02:16,693 Speaker 4: in a film and a broad audience in a film, 33 00:02:17,253 --> 00:02:20,013 Speaker 4: it has to be it has to be an element 34 00:02:20,053 --> 00:02:26,213 Speaker 4: of kind of entertainment there. So she's done this really 35 00:02:26,573 --> 00:02:32,853 Speaker 4: amazing job. I think of at first putting Malon Williams 36 00:02:32,893 --> 00:02:36,253 Speaker 4: into context. So at the beginning of the film we 37 00:02:36,373 --> 00:02:40,973 Speaker 4: kind of cover off his career to date, his personal journey, 38 00:02:41,013 --> 00:02:43,253 Speaker 4: but along the way we returned to to see his 39 00:02:43,293 --> 00:02:46,613 Speaker 4: family home and hear about his upbringing, and hear about 40 00:02:46,653 --> 00:02:48,733 Speaker 4: his parents and he was very close to and the 41 00:02:48,773 --> 00:02:51,973 Speaker 4: influence that they had on him. And then he's kind 42 00:02:51,973 --> 00:02:53,653 Speaker 4: of in his early thirties and he talks a lot 43 00:02:53,653 --> 00:02:55,853 Speaker 4: about the fact that touring has really taken a toll 44 00:02:55,893 --> 00:02:58,333 Speaker 4: on him, and the nature of life is very transient, 45 00:02:58,493 --> 00:03:01,853 Speaker 4: and I think in a way he wanted to ground himself, 46 00:03:02,133 --> 00:03:04,173 Speaker 4: even though he knows that his life may not lead 47 00:03:04,253 --> 00:03:06,333 Speaker 4: him to sort of, you know, living a very grounded 48 00:03:06,973 --> 00:03:11,293 Speaker 4: that's kind of where he goes on this journey. I 49 00:03:11,333 --> 00:03:15,573 Speaker 4: think the music is wonderful in this film. The cinematography 50 00:03:15,613 --> 00:03:19,093 Speaker 4: gives this journey gravitas and beauty. The editing, though, I 51 00:03:19,093 --> 00:03:22,493 Speaker 4: think is really excellent. You know, they've created a very pacy, 52 00:03:22,693 --> 00:03:25,733 Speaker 4: engaging film. They keep the energy up, they get the 53 00:03:25,813 --> 00:03:27,973 Speaker 4: right amount of music and hear the right amount of talk, 54 00:03:28,053 --> 00:03:30,893 Speaker 4: the right amount of just observation and things. So I 55 00:03:30,933 --> 00:03:35,253 Speaker 4: think it's a very thoughtful, beautiful film that's going to 56 00:03:35,693 --> 00:03:37,813 Speaker 4: really appeal to fans. And as you know, I'm a 57 00:03:37,893 --> 00:03:41,133 Speaker 4: huge fan of Marlon's beautiful voice. But he's got this 58 00:03:41,213 --> 00:03:43,893 Speaker 4: massive international audience, so I think we'll be fascinated to 59 00:03:43,973 --> 00:03:46,293 Speaker 4: learn a lot more about him. And then there's all 60 00:03:46,293 --> 00:03:48,373 Speaker 4: these people who are going to be introduced to him 61 00:03:48,973 --> 00:03:52,773 Speaker 4: as well. So yeah, no, I was. I thought I 62 00:03:52,813 --> 00:03:55,533 Speaker 4: found a really moving experience. What did have film? 63 00:03:55,613 --> 00:03:59,693 Speaker 3: Oh great? I cannot wait to see it. It sounds fantastic. Okay, 64 00:03:59,733 --> 00:04:04,413 Speaker 3: so that's Marlon Williams our which means two worlds. Next up, 65 00:04:04,493 --> 00:04:08,893 Speaker 3: something completely different, a new all star Marvel movie. Let's 66 00:04:08,933 --> 00:04:12,453 Speaker 3: have a little bit of a listen to Thunderbolts. 67 00:04:14,413 --> 00:04:21,453 Speaker 2: Let's talk facts. The Avengers are not conning. Who will 68 00:04:21,573 --> 00:04:30,253 Speaker 2: keep the American people? See? Are you why you got 69 00:04:30,253 --> 00:04:34,533 Speaker 2: some place to me? I love that guy? 70 00:04:35,413 --> 00:04:39,853 Speaker 3: Okay, that's Thunderbolts. Since Marvel tell us about it, Regiska. 71 00:04:40,893 --> 00:04:43,773 Speaker 4: So this is another film in the Phase five sort 72 00:04:43,813 --> 00:04:47,053 Speaker 4: of period of Marvel cinematic universe. So these are films 73 00:04:47,053 --> 00:04:49,133 Speaker 4: and TV shows that have been released between twenty twenty 74 00:04:49,213 --> 00:04:51,813 Speaker 4: three and twenty twenty five middle of this year. But 75 00:04:52,093 --> 00:04:53,693 Speaker 4: to be honest with you, it's kind of been a 76 00:04:53,693 --> 00:04:55,613 Speaker 4: bit of a mixed bunch. There's been The Ant Man 77 00:04:55,613 --> 00:04:59,653 Speaker 4: and the Wasp, Quantumania, there was The Guardians of the Galaxy. 78 00:04:59,693 --> 00:05:01,933 Speaker 4: There was a Captain America film, Brave New World that 79 00:05:02,053 --> 00:05:04,253 Speaker 4: was released in mid February that no one knows about. 80 00:05:04,693 --> 00:05:06,773 Speaker 4: They didn't screen it. There was the seemed to be 81 00:05:06,773 --> 00:05:09,533 Speaker 4: any hype about it. No one really knew about it. 82 00:05:09,653 --> 00:05:11,453 Speaker 4: I don't know how well it's doing it the cinemas. 83 00:05:11,733 --> 00:05:12,973 Speaker 4: I'm sure that, you know, there's been a bit of 84 00:05:12,973 --> 00:05:15,293 Speaker 4: word of mouth around it. But it's really interesting at 85 00:05:15,293 --> 00:05:17,813 Speaker 4: the moment with Marvel that they're not making any huge 86 00:05:17,853 --> 00:05:22,133 Speaker 4: effort to show these films, to screen them to you know, 87 00:05:22,173 --> 00:05:24,333 Speaker 4: to promote them in that way. Normally they would have 88 00:05:24,333 --> 00:05:25,933 Speaker 4: a screening for us. It might only be a couple 89 00:05:25,933 --> 00:05:28,213 Speaker 4: of the days before, but they'd be building the hype. 90 00:05:28,213 --> 00:05:30,333 Speaker 4: They want people to promote it, talk about it. And 91 00:05:30,373 --> 00:05:32,253 Speaker 4: Thunderbolts kind of came out of the blue as well. 92 00:05:32,293 --> 00:05:35,413 Speaker 4: It's like, oh, here's another Marvel film, but no one's 93 00:05:35,453 --> 00:05:37,653 Speaker 4: talking about it. They're not promoting it. Really, there's not 94 00:05:37,693 --> 00:05:39,693 Speaker 4: a lot of hype. And it's like, why not, because 95 00:05:39,693 --> 00:05:43,453 Speaker 4: this one isn't too bad? Because because when they don't 96 00:05:43,493 --> 00:05:47,013 Speaker 4: do screenings, Jack immediately you go, oh, it's no good, 97 00:05:47,213 --> 00:05:51,173 Speaker 4: And that's generally in the past. Why why studios don't 98 00:05:51,173 --> 00:05:54,213 Speaker 4: do screenings? But look, this one's okay. It is dressed 99 00:05:54,293 --> 00:05:57,053 Speaker 4: up as a breath of free share but turns out 100 00:05:57,093 --> 00:06:00,933 Speaker 4: to be a pretty predictable Marvel flick I did enjoy that. 101 00:06:01,013 --> 00:06:02,973 Speaker 4: It's a bit edgy, there's a darkness to it. There's 102 00:06:02,973 --> 00:06:08,053 Speaker 4: an existential crisis they are trying to put some substance 103 00:06:08,253 --> 00:06:10,853 Speaker 4: into this film. I don't know where the younger audience 104 00:06:10,933 --> 00:06:13,893 Speaker 4: is already going to watch all their heroes have existential crisis, 105 00:06:13,893 --> 00:06:18,213 Speaker 4: but you know, maybe it will appeal. We've got a 106 00:06:18,213 --> 00:06:20,773 Speaker 4: bunch of heroes who are actually anti heroes. They're kind 107 00:06:20,813 --> 00:06:23,533 Speaker 4: of like failed heroes who clean up the messes in 108 00:06:23,573 --> 00:06:25,893 Speaker 4: the background. They're not front facing, as they say in 109 00:06:25,933 --> 00:06:28,813 Speaker 4: the film. They're the kind of hugely disposable ones in 110 00:06:28,813 --> 00:06:31,053 Speaker 4: the background who are very talented at what they do, 111 00:06:31,173 --> 00:06:33,373 Speaker 4: but they don't have the kind of the glory roles 112 00:06:33,373 --> 00:06:36,333 Speaker 4: and things. And Florence Pugh leads the bunch here, and 113 00:06:36,373 --> 00:06:39,533 Speaker 4: she's absolutely excellent. She's fantastic. She really drives us. She 114 00:06:39,693 --> 00:06:43,493 Speaker 4: plays Yelena, who is the black widow's sister. You've got 115 00:06:43,493 --> 00:06:47,133 Speaker 4: White Russell in there, who's John Walker. David Harbor plays 116 00:06:47,133 --> 00:06:48,853 Speaker 4: her father, a Lexi. He's in there as well. They're 117 00:06:48,893 --> 00:06:52,093 Speaker 4: joined by the ghost Taskmaster and also Sebastian stand is Bucky, 118 00:06:52,493 --> 00:06:54,893 Speaker 4: and they all kind of come together. They find themselves 119 00:06:54,893 --> 00:06:56,973 Speaker 4: in this room. They're all sent on missions to annihilate 120 00:06:56,973 --> 00:07:01,853 Speaker 4: each other. They realize that their boss, Valentina, is trying 121 00:07:01,893 --> 00:07:03,173 Speaker 4: to get rid of them all, so they all team 122 00:07:03,253 --> 00:07:05,613 Speaker 4: up together kind of come back to the real world 123 00:07:06,013 --> 00:07:13,973 Speaker 4: and Red that Valentina has most accidentally created this godlike 124 00:07:14,413 --> 00:07:18,773 Speaker 4: superhero who has the potential to take over the world. 125 00:07:18,853 --> 00:07:25,053 Speaker 4: But it's a very lonely, not very stable, unhappy man 126 00:07:25,173 --> 00:07:29,053 Speaker 4: who actually becomes a bit of a baddie, and so 127 00:07:29,173 --> 00:07:31,933 Speaker 4: they will sort of come together to try and prevent him. 128 00:07:32,013 --> 00:07:32,533 Speaker 2: The story in the. 129 00:07:32,533 --> 00:07:34,773 Speaker 4: World, So it kind of it starts off really interesting, Jack, 130 00:07:34,813 --> 00:07:36,453 Speaker 4: and you're going, oh, I love these Yeah, I love 131 00:07:36,493 --> 00:07:38,173 Speaker 4: the fact that they're all a bit different and they're 132 00:07:38,173 --> 00:07:41,813 Speaker 4: not you know, cool and perfect and everything. But then 133 00:07:41,853 --> 00:07:44,373 Speaker 4: it kind of folds into the second half. It kind 134 00:07:44,373 --> 00:07:46,933 Speaker 4: of action wise and story wise, it kind of becomes 135 00:07:46,933 --> 00:07:49,893 Speaker 4: a pretty predictable Marvel flick, not as funny as it 136 00:07:49,933 --> 00:07:51,733 Speaker 4: could have been. I think there was actually too much 137 00:07:51,773 --> 00:07:55,413 Speaker 4: banter between the cast. It really wasn't needed. You do 138 00:07:55,493 --> 00:07:57,013 Speaker 4: become fond of them by the end of the film. 139 00:07:57,053 --> 00:07:59,373 Speaker 4: I mean, I think there'll be another one, and if 140 00:07:59,413 --> 00:08:01,973 Speaker 4: they can keep surrounding Florence Pugh with some good people 141 00:08:02,413 --> 00:08:04,413 Speaker 4: and maybe to shorten up and sharpen up the script 142 00:08:04,453 --> 00:08:08,173 Speaker 4: a bit, then actually this this this particular branch of 143 00:08:08,213 --> 00:08:09,133 Speaker 4: the franchise might fly. 144 00:08:09,413 --> 00:08:12,733 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well yeah it's not for me if I'm 145 00:08:12,733 --> 00:08:14,853 Speaker 3: one hundred percent honest franch escape, but you know what, 146 00:08:14,973 --> 00:08:17,053 Speaker 3: I'm sure it will still do all right at the 147 00:08:17,053 --> 00:08:19,293 Speaker 3: box office. They don't usually lose a whole lot of 148 00:08:19,293 --> 00:08:21,333 Speaker 3: money these Marvel films, which tells us why there are 149 00:08:21,333 --> 00:08:25,973 Speaker 3: so many Thank you. So that's Thunderbolts and Marlon Williams 150 00:08:26,373 --> 00:08:29,373 Speaker 3: o'ur is the first film franchise could hold us about 151 00:08:29,453 --> 00:08:32,333 Speaker 3: two worlds. Desiree just flipp me note to say Jack. 152 00:08:32,373 --> 00:08:35,733 Speaker 3: I saw the Marlon Williams docco yesterday, absolutely stunning. His 153 00:08:35,853 --> 00:08:40,333 Speaker 3: voice is perfect for singing interior. Maudi, what a beautiful soul. 154 00:08:40,533 --> 00:08:43,413 Speaker 3: And then Desiree, I swear wrote this. She said, swoon. 155 00:08:44,973 --> 00:08:47,533 Speaker 3: I'm sure you're not the only one feeling that way, Jack. 156 00:08:47,573 --> 00:08:51,213 Speaker 3: Marlon can sound very Elvis, like when Elvis is singing ballads. Yeah, 157 00:08:51,213 --> 00:08:53,533 Speaker 3: there is something the richness of his voice that has 158 00:08:53,573 --> 00:08:54,213 Speaker 3: that quality. 159 00:08:54,253 --> 00:08:58,053 Speaker 1: A For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen 160 00:08:58,133 --> 00:09:01,253 Speaker 1: live to news talks'd be from nine am Saturday, or 161 00:09:01,333 --> 00:09:03,253 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.