1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from newstalk EDB. 3 00:00:13,147 --> 00:00:17,907 Speaker 2: The three peat is complete and emrits Team New Zealand 4 00:00:18,347 --> 00:00:26,107 Speaker 2: win the Louis Witton thirty seventh America's Cup. 5 00:00:26,187 --> 00:00:30,267 Speaker 3: In the message, congratulations to all the team at orts. 6 00:00:30,307 --> 00:00:33,467 Speaker 1: Team New Zealand very very well sailed. 7 00:00:36,307 --> 00:00:39,307 Speaker 3: They were so impressive were they a few times they 8 00:00:39,347 --> 00:00:42,427 Speaker 3: were challenged total they just came back stronger. Yeah, those 9 00:00:42,427 --> 00:00:44,787 Speaker 3: are the sounds of elation on board Team New Zealand 10 00:00:44,827 --> 00:00:48,267 Speaker 3: after retaining the America America's Cup in Barcelona, a commanding 11 00:00:48,307 --> 00:00:52,787 Speaker 3: winning race nine over Britannia and a seven to victory overall. 12 00:00:52,827 --> 00:00:55,187 Speaker 3: The Kiwi Center took charge of the race after the 13 00:00:55,227 --> 00:00:57,987 Speaker 3: third gate and from there did not really look back. 14 00:00:58,027 --> 00:01:00,907 Speaker 3: They won by thirty seven seconds this morning, and with 15 00:01:00,987 --> 00:01:04,027 Speaker 3: it they retained the old mug Let's bring in highly 16 00:01:04,067 --> 00:01:10,027 Speaker 3: experienced New Zealand sailor particular and multiple America's Cups. Dean Barker, Dean, 17 00:01:10,267 --> 00:01:12,747 Speaker 3: did it feel as though Team New Zealand had the 18 00:01:12,787 --> 00:01:15,507 Speaker 3: faster boat right from the start of the Cup match. 19 00:01:16,627 --> 00:01:20,867 Speaker 4: I think it became clear. Yeah, I think just watching 20 00:01:21,187 --> 00:01:24,827 Speaker 4: the first couple of races unfold that Team Zeland definitely 21 00:01:24,867 --> 00:01:30,227 Speaker 4: had an edge and yeah, you said have always Yeah, 22 00:01:30,427 --> 00:01:34,467 Speaker 4: you want to be measured and drawing conclusions and things 23 00:01:34,507 --> 00:01:37,347 Speaker 4: about performance, but yeah, it just seemed like they were 24 00:01:38,387 --> 00:01:40,747 Speaker 4: just a little bit stronger all around. And it was 25 00:01:40,747 --> 00:01:42,947 Speaker 4: surprising because you know, I think a lot had been 26 00:01:42,987 --> 00:01:45,907 Speaker 4: made about the way any of us have been improving 27 00:01:45,907 --> 00:01:47,627 Speaker 4: all the way through the Challenges series. You know, they 28 00:01:47,667 --> 00:01:51,907 Speaker 4: were incredibly they did an incredible job. How much they improved, 29 00:01:51,947 --> 00:01:54,467 Speaker 4: and they were racing the boat really well at the 30 00:01:54,827 --> 00:01:58,147 Speaker 4: combination of Ben and Dylan Fletcher and things was really 31 00:01:58,827 --> 00:02:02,107 Speaker 4: the way they were developing was really cool. But I 32 00:02:01,827 --> 00:02:04,547 Speaker 4: was I was super impressed with the way Team Zealand 33 00:02:04,587 --> 00:02:06,067 Speaker 4: came out of the blocks and at the beginning of 34 00:02:06,067 --> 00:02:09,067 Speaker 4: the v and suddenly, you know, just as you listen 35 00:02:09,147 --> 00:02:10,707 Speaker 4: to more and more of the comms and things coming 36 00:02:10,707 --> 00:02:14,387 Speaker 4: off the boat, just the way that Alex and Claire 37 00:02:14,467 --> 00:02:17,347 Speaker 4: and Nathan. I think Nathan waught a lot of discipline 38 00:02:17,387 --> 00:02:20,667 Speaker 4: to the boat. Yeah, I'd say it was it was 39 00:02:20,667 --> 00:02:23,587 Speaker 4: a more dominant performance than it was an Auckland, you know, 40 00:02:23,667 --> 00:02:25,787 Speaker 4: which was surprising. You know, I think for a. 41 00:02:25,787 --> 00:02:28,547 Speaker 3: Lot of people, how would they have ensured Team New 42 00:02:28,627 --> 00:02:31,867 Speaker 3: Zealand that they came into the Cup match race ready 43 00:02:31,907 --> 00:02:33,587 Speaker 3: having not you know, they raced in the early part 44 00:02:33,627 --> 00:02:36,507 Speaker 3: of the Louverton of course, but any Os Bretanna had 45 00:02:36,547 --> 00:02:39,427 Speaker 3: been racing the whole time. How would Team New Zealand 46 00:02:39,467 --> 00:02:41,747 Speaker 3: have ensured they were match race ready. 47 00:02:43,427 --> 00:02:44,667 Speaker 4: Well, I think a lot of it just comes to 48 00:02:44,667 --> 00:02:47,427 Speaker 4: out of the confidence. Yeah, the team. You know, the 49 00:02:47,467 --> 00:02:51,787 Speaker 4: team is Yellen Group designed Sure Sailing team. You know, 50 00:02:51,867 --> 00:02:57,507 Speaker 4: it's it's it's very impressive what they've accomplished over since 51 00:02:57,587 --> 00:02:59,947 Speaker 4: Auckland with all these different projects and things going on, 52 00:03:00,027 --> 00:03:03,867 Speaker 4: and then you are still put the fastest seventy five 53 00:03:03,947 --> 00:03:06,107 Speaker 4: on the water and then and then race it. Well, 54 00:03:07,587 --> 00:03:11,507 Speaker 4: I think how your race radios comes down to the preparation. 55 00:03:12,467 --> 00:03:14,427 Speaker 4: You know, they knew they are going to be up 56 00:03:14,427 --> 00:03:16,947 Speaker 4: against a strong challenger when when they sort of emerged 57 00:03:16,987 --> 00:03:21,067 Speaker 4: from the Bluebaton Challenger series, and I think it was 58 00:03:21,067 --> 00:03:23,587 Speaker 4: a surprise probably for a lot of people that in 59 00:03:23,707 --> 00:03:25,427 Speaker 4: the early format and you made it through a head 60 00:03:25,427 --> 00:03:27,827 Speaker 4: of Lunarossa. But at the same time, you know, they 61 00:03:27,867 --> 00:03:30,427 Speaker 4: thoroughly deserved that. They made huge games all the way 62 00:03:30,427 --> 00:03:34,907 Speaker 4: through and I think they were the sure the deserved challenger, 63 00:03:34,907 --> 00:03:39,987 Speaker 4: but you know, just completely outclassed by a much stronger 64 00:03:39,987 --> 00:03:40,787 Speaker 4: team in the ends. 65 00:03:41,427 --> 00:03:46,507 Speaker 3: How delicate is the balanceding between taking risks and low 66 00:03:46,627 --> 00:03:47,267 Speaker 3: margins for. 67 00:03:47,507 --> 00:03:52,427 Speaker 4: Error the style of sailing, and I think and it's 68 00:03:52,467 --> 00:03:55,187 Speaker 4: really you know, it goes back to San Francisco days 69 00:03:55,187 --> 00:03:56,427 Speaker 4: and some of the learnings from there, and they need 70 00:03:56,507 --> 00:03:59,627 Speaker 4: to sort of move forward. It's that there is no 71 00:03:59,707 --> 00:04:01,787 Speaker 4: room to be sort of conservative and this type of sailing. 72 00:04:01,787 --> 00:04:04,347 Speaker 4: You've really got to throw the you know, throw the 73 00:04:04,347 --> 00:04:07,027 Speaker 4: ball right out there and try and and you know 74 00:04:07,067 --> 00:04:10,307 Speaker 4: it's try and catch up, you know, with what you create. 75 00:04:10,387 --> 00:04:14,747 Speaker 4: And and I think it's certainly been from the outside, 76 00:04:14,787 --> 00:04:16,147 Speaker 4: looks like you know, the word Team New Zealand has 77 00:04:16,147 --> 00:04:19,387 Speaker 4: been operating. They just they trust the technology. They've they've 78 00:04:19,387 --> 00:04:22,587 Speaker 4: had a settled design group for a number of number 79 00:04:22,587 --> 00:04:25,387 Speaker 4: of years now really since they're Bermuda days, and they 80 00:04:26,747 --> 00:04:29,507 Speaker 4: know it's just it's, you know, it's very very impressive 81 00:04:29,507 --> 00:04:34,147 Speaker 4: what they've achieved. So you know, it's it's going to 82 00:04:34,147 --> 00:04:36,147 Speaker 4: be you know, it's going to take a very strong 83 00:04:36,427 --> 00:04:40,227 Speaker 4: challenger to be able to come back and unsettled and 84 00:04:40,267 --> 00:04:41,627 Speaker 4: whatever the next event looks like. 85 00:04:42,147 --> 00:04:44,027 Speaker 3: Just to give us an idea of of what is 86 00:04:44,107 --> 00:04:48,547 Speaker 3: most important here. Hypothetically speaking, if the cruise, the entire 87 00:04:48,827 --> 00:04:53,507 Speaker 3: operation of both boats swapped boats, would Team New Zealand 88 00:04:53,547 --> 00:04:59,387 Speaker 3: still win In Briten Year's boat. 89 00:04:57,947 --> 00:05:00,827 Speaker 4: I would say no, you know, typically the faster boat ones, 90 00:05:00,867 --> 00:05:03,707 Speaker 4: but yes, it has to be operated by good sailors, 91 00:05:03,707 --> 00:05:06,627 Speaker 4: and I think the quality of the sailor us the 92 00:05:08,107 --> 00:05:11,627 Speaker 4: top teams, it's very very hard to differentiate, you know. 93 00:05:11,667 --> 00:05:15,387 Speaker 4: I think if you've been completely honest, i'd say, and 94 00:05:15,627 --> 00:05:17,787 Speaker 4: I was probably one more of the starts, you know, 95 00:05:17,827 --> 00:05:22,267 Speaker 4: suddainly they won the start again overnight, but they just 96 00:05:22,547 --> 00:05:25,907 Speaker 4: don't quite have the legs to make the first intersection work, 97 00:05:25,987 --> 00:05:28,467 Speaker 4: and then suddenly they're on the back flot and I 98 00:05:28,507 --> 00:05:31,347 Speaker 4: think to even boats or if something else had a 99 00:05:31,347 --> 00:05:33,867 Speaker 4: slight speeded montage, they would have probably gone and won 100 00:05:33,907 --> 00:05:35,867 Speaker 4: that race quite easily. So it's sort of, you know, 101 00:05:35,947 --> 00:05:39,987 Speaker 4: like it's one of those questions it's impossible to answer, 102 00:05:39,987 --> 00:05:43,387 Speaker 4: but I think, you know, for sure, the New Zealand 103 00:05:43,427 --> 00:05:46,947 Speaker 4: sailing team is very very strong and they as a group, 104 00:05:47,067 --> 00:05:49,307 Speaker 4: you know, particularly the colmsy here between the four guys 105 00:05:50,187 --> 00:05:53,667 Speaker 4: managing the boaters, it was just sounded very very slack 106 00:05:53,707 --> 00:05:58,547 Speaker 4: and polished. So you know, that's a huge, huge credit 107 00:05:58,547 --> 00:06:01,427 Speaker 4: to the way they are operating. But at the same time, 108 00:06:01,467 --> 00:06:02,987 Speaker 4: I don't think you can take anything away from the 109 00:06:03,027 --> 00:06:04,867 Speaker 4: way that any use guys were sailing, But they just 110 00:06:04,907 --> 00:06:07,947 Speaker 4: weren't given me the same opportunities and they're always a 111 00:06:07,947 --> 00:06:10,707 Speaker 4: little bit on the backside just because they weren't quite 112 00:06:10,707 --> 00:06:11,307 Speaker 4: as competitive. 113 00:06:11,347 --> 00:06:13,987 Speaker 3: Speed was when you're listening to those comms coming off 114 00:06:13,987 --> 00:06:18,107 Speaker 3: the boat is sometimes less more or or is it is? 115 00:06:18,147 --> 00:06:20,947 Speaker 3: It is there the need to be constantly chatting to 116 00:06:20,947 --> 00:06:22,267 Speaker 3: one another and giving information. 117 00:06:23,387 --> 00:06:25,427 Speaker 4: You know, from from my own experience, you know, when 118 00:06:25,467 --> 00:06:27,187 Speaker 4: you're sailing well is when it feels like you've got 119 00:06:27,227 --> 00:06:29,467 Speaker 4: time to make all your decisions. And you know, quite 120 00:06:29,467 --> 00:06:33,107 Speaker 4: often you hear it's the communication that's going on on board, 121 00:06:33,147 --> 00:06:34,907 Speaker 4: you know, like the snippets of you here on the 122 00:06:34,987 --> 00:06:37,867 Speaker 4: on the broadcast, it just sounds like they're they're very 123 00:06:37,867 --> 00:06:40,227 Speaker 4: well measured decisions, you know, when they're choosing which gate 124 00:06:40,307 --> 00:06:43,707 Speaker 4: to go around, or whether to tack at a certain time, 125 00:06:43,787 --> 00:06:45,347 Speaker 4: or whether they want to cover or you know, and 126 00:06:45,387 --> 00:06:48,827 Speaker 4: it's just it's just really you would expect to hear 127 00:06:48,867 --> 00:06:52,347 Speaker 4: a team at the top of your game performing and 128 00:06:52,387 --> 00:06:55,507 Speaker 4: it was really you know, it was really cool just 129 00:06:55,547 --> 00:06:57,587 Speaker 4: to understand you know, how they how they operate on 130 00:06:57,627 --> 00:07:00,707 Speaker 4: board the Odumn and you know, maybe you know because 131 00:07:00,707 --> 00:07:02,947 Speaker 4: a few of the other teams, you know, some some 132 00:07:03,067 --> 00:07:06,107 Speaker 4: ideas whether the sort of the baseline will be for the. 133 00:07:06,027 --> 00:07:10,187 Speaker 3: Next e and just on that, we know that there 134 00:07:10,187 --> 00:07:11,907 Speaker 3: will be a thirty eighth America's Cup. We don't have 135 00:07:11,907 --> 00:07:13,587 Speaker 3: any more details apart from that, Dan, do you think 136 00:07:13,587 --> 00:07:15,507 Speaker 3: there's any chance they'll defend it back home? 137 00:07:16,347 --> 00:07:19,187 Speaker 4: Well, if you listen to what they said last when 138 00:07:19,227 --> 00:07:21,507 Speaker 4: they were trying to defend the idea of going to Barcelona, 139 00:07:21,587 --> 00:07:23,707 Speaker 4: that the reason for going there was that they could 140 00:07:24,507 --> 00:07:28,867 Speaker 4: wanted and bring it back. So yeah, so it'd be 141 00:07:28,907 --> 00:07:31,267 Speaker 4: pretty cool to have an America's Cup back and back 142 00:07:31,267 --> 00:07:34,427 Speaker 4: in New Zealand again. And I was fortunate to be 143 00:07:34,947 --> 00:07:37,547 Speaker 4: part of the telling a red bull racing teams instead 144 00:07:37,587 --> 00:07:41,347 Speaker 4: of a coaching capacity, and so the time in Barcelona 145 00:07:41,427 --> 00:07:45,067 Speaker 4: was great, but it certainly isn't isn't anywhere near what 146 00:07:45,187 --> 00:07:46,787 Speaker 4: an event is like in Auckland. 147 00:07:47,707 --> 00:07:49,667 Speaker 3: All right, Well that gives us a little bit of hope. Anyway, 148 00:07:49,707 --> 00:07:52,227 Speaker 3: Thanks for your insight, Dan, great to tet to you 149 00:07:52,667 --> 00:07:54,227 Speaker 3: We'll keep our fingers crossed that we might see in 150 00:07:54,227 --> 00:07:55,467 Speaker 3: a bit closer to home next time. 151 00:07:55,867 --> 00:07:58,187 Speaker 4: Where wouldn't it be great? All right, take care, thank you, 152 00:07:58,307 --> 00:07:58,587 Speaker 4: you have. 153 00:07:58,507 --> 00:08:00,787 Speaker 3: A good dayan things in date. Dean Barker there with. 154 00:08:00,707 --> 00:08:04,307 Speaker 1: His thoughts for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. 155 00:08:04,427 --> 00:08:07,667 Speaker 1: Listen live to news Talk z'd be weekends from midday, 156 00:08:07,987 --> 00:08:10,067 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.