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Speaker 3: Coming up on the show today, Shane Jones is apparently

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Speaker 3: considering rationing gas to certain businesses. He's going to explain

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Speaker 3: this to us after five. David Seymour on why the

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Speaker 3: and we'll get you across all the new rules for

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Speaker 4: Heather Dupicy Ellen, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't love saying this, but I think the government is

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Speaker 3: month would shame Israel and defeeding the kids. But if

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Speaker 3: For every minute and every colomage that we dedicate to

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Speaker 4: Heather, do for see, Allen, could you're taking me out?

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Speaker 5: Would who is the.

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Speaker 3: David C. Moore, Deputy Prime Minister with US after five

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Speaker 3: on that now there are urgent calls to help a

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Speaker 3: Sarah Shaw and her son Isaac normally live in Washington State.

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Speaker 3: Hey. Have you managed to speak to her while she's

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Speaker 3: And and is she with her boy or are they separated?

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Speaker 7: Her six year old son is with her in the

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Speaker 7: So, because Sarah is on a combination visa, when her

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Speaker 7: I mean, she's one of my best friends, and I

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Speaker 6: So he'll be with us until his mum's release.

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Speaker 7: He wasn't able to because he's not old enough to

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Speaker 3: Normally in this situation like this, Ministry of Foreign Affairs

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Speaker 7: So her lawyer, I'm not sure if she has fully

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Speaker 3: Okay, the money that you're raising somebody is raising on

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Speaker 7: The money is to pay for Sarah's legal representation and

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Speaker 7: She has been given a court date to the twenty ninth.

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Speaker 7: We are hoping that they will release her on the fourteenth,

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Speaker 7: But that's really just dependent upon ICE's mercy. The climate

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Speaker 3: get on top of it. Listen, Taylor Swift. I know, randomly,

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Speaker 3: but Taylor Swift. Has Taylor Swift made her announcement?

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Speaker 3: Oh, here we go. Here's the Taylor announcement for you

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Speaker 3: got it for Yeah, she's announced a brand new album

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Speaker 3: and she's done this on her boyfriend Travis Kelsey's podcast.

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Speaker 3: Her twelfth studio album album is called Life of a

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Speaker 6: So I wanted to show you something.

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Speaker 10: Okay, what do we got?

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Speaker 4: We got a briefcase.

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Speaker 12: This is my brand new album, The Life of a

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Speaker 3: I'm still going to tell you about the Taylor Swift

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Speaker 5: Heather.

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Speaker 3: Run us through all the rules, please, all of them.

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Speaker 10: How long have you got the important Okay, the important

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Speaker 10: It's just no good for anyone. There's also got a

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Speaker 10: it looks an on and off the water discussions, development, protection, community, commercialization,

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Speaker 10: excuse me, all sorts. So they're they're they're opening the

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Speaker 10: gates to make it a very different event, there's there's

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Speaker 10: so much more. Jump into the Herald and take a

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Speaker 3: Can I just ask you a question, why do they

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Speaker 1: Putting the challenging questions to the people. At the heart

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Speaker 3: Australia has just cut the cash rates by twenty five

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Speaker 9: it's been Coalition policy for years, for since John Howard

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Speaker 9: for over twenty years, that there has to be a

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Speaker 9: two state solutions. Okay, but when when it's never going

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Speaker 9: to be early enough for Israel. I mean, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 9: late enough for Israel. Israel doesn't certainly under Benjamin Yahoo.

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Speaker 9: So Susan Lee says it's premature. She's also I've just

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Speaker 9: got some quotes here. Susan Lee says, Albanezi has gone

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Speaker 9: early and he's out of his depth. Scott Morrison, former

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Speaker 9: Prime minister, it's a hollow gesture. Josh Friedenberg at one

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Speaker 9: point astraight as leading Jewish politician. He of course was

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Speaker 9: tipped to be the Prime minister after Scott Morris until

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Speaker 9: he lost his seat. He says, it's a logical because

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Speaker 9: you're rewarding a terrorist organization that committed everyone acknowledges the

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Speaker 9: most egregious, horrendous crime on October seven. There's no disputing that.

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Speaker 9: But as Petty Woma said, and the clip you're played,

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Speaker 9: when do you start to change the narrative because it's

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Speaker 9: not going to change anytime soon unless you do a

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Speaker 9: little proud weird the National's leader, you're giving dessert to

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Speaker 9: the children before vegetables, which, given the state of the

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Speaker 9: food supply and gaza properly is a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Do they not have a point though? Ms Because the

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Speaker 3: state of Palestine has been put forward as a solution

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Speaker 3: to the food crisis at the moment, how does that

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Speaker 3: fix what's going on right now? I mean, surely the

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Speaker 3: solution to the food crisis is more aid, not a

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Speaker 3: state of Palestine.

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Speaker 9: You're getting more aid in of course, you know, but

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Speaker 9: Israel keeps resisting that, right, I mean, yeah, isn't Israel

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Speaker 9: resisting that the Israeli US food distribution plan that's been

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Speaker 9: in place with what three months or more, that's just

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Speaker 9: not working. And you know, of course we dispute the figures,

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Speaker 9: the Hamas figures according to the people who support Israel,

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Speaker 9: all the figures about dead children, dead mums. You know,

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Speaker 9: there's a stat came out today. You may have seen this,

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Speaker 9: I'm sure you have. In fact, Unse says there's a

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Speaker 9: classroom of Palestinian kids getting killed every day, and that

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Speaker 9: just as you can't I mean, Israel's losing the pr wars.

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Speaker 9: There are millions of friends of Israel and Australia. I

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Speaker 9: bet there are in New Zealand, but Hell's bells. When

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Speaker 9: you look at what's happening there, you just say, well,

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Speaker 9: when's it going to be right? You know what I mean? Yeah,

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Speaker 9: it's a tough question here.

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Speaker 3: I think we all feel pretty helpless watching this happen. Now,

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Speaker 3: how are you feeling about that RBA cut?

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Speaker 9: That's pretty good, yeah, but widely expected. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 9: a third of Australians have a mortgage, a third rent,

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Speaker 9: and a third ow in their own places. So the

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Speaker 9: Reserve Bank it did cut interest rates today five of

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Speaker 9: one percent, so down to three point six percent for

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Speaker 9: the official cash rate the Australian dollar. Anticipated that it

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Speaker 9: was sixty five and change sixty five point two the

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Speaker 9: decision back in July they kept the rate on hold.

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Speaker 9: Are the interest rate on hold? And that despite a

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Speaker 9: different inflation and evidence that jobs growth was slowing significantly,

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Speaker 9: and it did so. Look right now today inflation appears

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Speaker 9: to be under control. The jobless numbers are rising, you know, modestly,

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Speaker 9: it must be said. And some people even were saying

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Speaker 9: there could be a cut of point three five percent

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Speaker 9: down to three and a half, and a lot of

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Speaker 9: people were saying, can you just make it even please?

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Speaker 9: Three and a half three point two five three Because

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Speaker 9: those of us who are mathematically challenged look suffice to say.

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Speaker 9: She's a very very able woman, Michelle Bullock. She is

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Speaker 9: the boss of the Reserve Bank of Australia. And at

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Speaker 9: about forty five minutes time, she'll be standing up Unusually,

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Speaker 9: this didn't happen until her reign and she'll be holding

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Speaker 9: a full on news conference to explain exactly what's happened

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Speaker 9: and the reasons behind it.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant stuff, Marz, thank you so much. As always, Murray

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Speaker 3: Old's Australia correspondent on that business of Trump and Washington, DC.

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Speaker 3: So what is perplexing about what he's just done with

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Speaker 3: the National Guard is as as people are saying, in fact,

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Speaker 3: everything is trending down when it comes to crime. So

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Speaker 3: violent crime overall, I'll just give you the stats, right,

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Speaker 3: Violent crime overall is down twenty six percent this year.

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Speaker 3: Robbery is down to twenty eight percent this year. Murder

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Speaker 3: rate is down twelve percent this year. Carjackings are down.

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Speaker 3: So far this year they've recorded one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: nine carjacking offenses, but the same period last year was

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Speaker 3: three hundred carjacking offenses. So if he was going to

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Speaker 3: be upset about it at any stage, he should have

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Speaker 3: been last year, not this year, because this year is

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Speaker 3: looking quite good. Actually, Barry Soaper is with us next

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Speaker 3: sixteen Away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with Centrics Credit, check your customers and get payments, certainty.

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Speaker 3: Barry Soaper, senior political correspondents with US Now, Barry, Hello,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon. Okay, So run us through what's happened in

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Speaker 3: parliament Regaza.

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Speaker 17: Well, you know, a lot of rhetoric and a lot

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Speaker 17: of fairly fierce rhetoric in parliament, which is to be

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Speaker 17: expected because people hold very strong views either way. But

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Speaker 17: you know, the thing that interests me is that this

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Speaker 17: question of recognition of Palestine, is that going to stop

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Speaker 17: the war. Are they going to finally put down the arms?

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Speaker 17: Hummus and say, look, oh they've recognized so that's good.

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Speaker 17: They can send it as a badge of honor if

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Speaker 17: they did, do you no.

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Speaker 3: In fact anything, If anything, it's actually prolonging the war

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Speaker 3: because Comas has now come out, since this has blown up,

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Speaker 3: has come out and said we will not lay down

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Speaker 3: arms until we get a stated, So it's actually given.

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Speaker 17: I think we're all getting sidetracked. And I see Alan

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Speaker 17: Clark was at the guards a border with Mary Robinson,

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Speaker 17: the former President of Ireland and I admire Clark for

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Speaker 17: going there. She wanted to see firsthand just how bad

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Speaker 17: the situation was. But she had to go at New

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Speaker 17: Zealand for it. She said, this is not the New Zealand.

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Speaker 17: I know recognition, she said, coupling, coudling, She called it

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Speaker 17: right back up to Washington, d C. So she's saying

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Speaker 17: we're playing a wait and see game to see Washington

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Speaker 17: and to see how they responded by recognizing we could

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Speaker 17: upset Donald Trump. And part of that I guess is

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Speaker 17: could be true. So the Greens co leader Chloe Swarbreck,

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Speaker 17: she was in the thick of it in Parliament today

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Speaker 17: during question time she was far in questions at the

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Speaker 17: Prime Minister. But it was the Palestinian scarf that she

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Speaker 17: had neatly covering her seat in the debating chamber that

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Speaker 17: ex David Seymour took a pence at Lester's figure.

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Speaker 18: I join your attention to the member who has just

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Speaker 18: resumed her seat, which is adorned with a Palestinian scarf,

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Speaker 18: and I'd want you to consider what this House might

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Speaker 18: look like if everybody who had an interest in a

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Speaker 18: global conflict started adorning their seats with symbols of one

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Speaker 18: side or the other of a conflict. I think that

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Speaker 18: would bring the house into disrepute.

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Speaker 5: You make a very good point, Actually, I think I've

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Speaker 5: been willing to accept that if people were wearing something

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Speaker 5: that did not particularly Oh here we go. Good, Okay,

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Speaker 5: we'll stay warm, we'll move on.

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Speaker 3: Now she's wrapped it around there.

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Speaker 17: So yeah, she took it off the seat, wrapped it

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Speaker 17: around her shoulders, as were all the other Green members

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Speaker 17: with Palestinian scarves draping their shoulders, all in different colors,

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Speaker 17: not just the black and white today. So that was interesting.

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Speaker 17: But look, after questions would with a speaker, brownly allowed

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Speaker 17: a debate on the recognition of Palestine, and that was

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Speaker 17: moved by Labour's toe Henade. I keep saying toe.

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Speaker 3: I knew it when I raally onset.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, exactly after Hanare and Winston Peters had the essay,

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Speaker 17: as you're about to hear, Swarbrick was back on her

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Speaker 17: feet and incurred the wrath of the speaker.

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Speaker 19: The warrant Gaza has killed so many and created the

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Speaker 19: humanitarian crisis which greets us.

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Speaker 2: Every morning we open our eyes.

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Speaker 19: Recognition, we believe is a necessary step towards ending the

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Speaker 19: cycle of violence.

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Speaker 5: We are witnessing.

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Speaker 19: What we're seeing from this government is an activity and

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Speaker 19: sadly walking blissfully into the sunset of ignorance for.

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Speaker 20: The Labor Party's benefit. They had fifteen years to recognize

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Speaker 20: Palestine's statehood. I had hewn o'clock this morning. Well, she

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Speaker 20: was a prime minister from ninety nine to two thousand

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Speaker 20: and eight. Did you do that then?

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Speaker 21: No?

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Speaker 20: And then twenty seventeen to twenty twenty three they had

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Speaker 20: the second chance, and mister Hopkins was.

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Speaker 4: There as well to do that. Then did they do it?

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Speaker 22: No?

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Speaker 4: Six years?

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Speaker 9: No, missus Speaker.

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Speaker 12: I will reiterate my poll for the government to pick

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Speaker 12: up our Unlawful Occupation of Palestine Sanctions Bill and to

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Speaker 12: sanction Israel for its war crimes. If we find sex

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Speaker 12: of sixty eight government MP's with a spine, we can

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Speaker 12: stand on the right side of history.

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Speaker 5: That is completely unacceptable. To make that statement withdrawn and apologize.

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Speaker 5: N then leave the house for the rest of the week.

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Speaker 17: So she's got a week off.

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Speaker 3: So offensive about what she says.

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Speaker 17: Well, I've got to say I've heard many more eventsive

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Speaker 17: things in Parliament, don't.

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Speaker 3: Well brookvn Feld and dropped the sea.

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Speaker 4: Ball the week.

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Speaker 17: It's exactly right, but I think, you know, Jerry was

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Speaker 17: a It was a pretty fierce debate, but you know,

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Speaker 17: I think she came out of Parliament and she said,

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Speaker 17: I think he was a bit heavy handed, and I

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Speaker 17: think he probably was on this occasion. I meant to

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Speaker 17: call MP spinalers. You're meant to call them honorable members

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Speaker 17: when you're in the debating chamber, and of course you

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Speaker 17: don't think that, but you're not meant to say what

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Speaker 17: you think in that place. So she sort of incurred

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Speaker 17: the wrath and is now on holiday for the rest

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Speaker 17: of the week.

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Speaker 3: Barry, really quickly, what do you make of the poll?

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Speaker 3: There's a little update from the Taxpayers Union, isn't that?

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Speaker 23: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: And there'll probably be more of this on TVNZ tonight

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Speaker 17: because they always follow up these poles. And it comes

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Speaker 17: as no surprise at all really that, you know, growing

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Speaker 17: the economy it got minus three percent, reducing costs for

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Speaker 17: household minus thirty nine percent, managing national accounts and to

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Speaker 17: get them back into surplus minus one, creating joles minus

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Speaker 17: thirty three and wasteful spending reducing it minus four.

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Speaker 3: So this is the government's scorecard, according to votors.

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Speaker 17: Yes, I was going to say that that everything is

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Speaker 17: in the negative. That won't come as good news to

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Speaker 17: the government, but it won't come as any surprise because

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Speaker 17: they know and we know the economy. Stupid is the

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Speaker 17: problem here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Barry, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Very Soper,

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Speaker 3: senior political correspondent, eight away from five, putting the.

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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast, it's.

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Speaker 24: A good news around tourism can be found in Queenstown.

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Speaker 24: Danny Luke is the chief operating officer at Skyline. If

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Speaker 24: you see it, does the whole town see it? In

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Speaker 24: other words, as the whole ways booming?

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Speaker 8: It is you're seeing real gross down here. At the

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Speaker 8: moment it went, it's been vibrant and we've got lots

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Speaker 8: of international visitors coming in, which is great to see.

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Speaker 24: What's your vibe in terms of it's too busy, it's

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Speaker 24: too full.

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Speaker 8: We don't think that. What do we think the is

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Speaker 8: room for growth here? I mean, we're investing significantly in

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Speaker 8: our infrastructure at Skyline. We know other tourism operators are

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Speaker 8: doing the same. We believe there's probably an assistance from

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Speaker 8: the government required in terms of traffic congestion, but there

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Speaker 8: is great.

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Speaker 24: Here back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 24: with Maylee's Real Estate News talk Zby.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I just the whole taxpayer's Curier poll. The whole

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Speaker 3: bundle has just landed on my desk, and there's some

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Speaker 3: really interesting things. Laura just walked in with it. She said,

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Speaker 3: here you go. You asked for it, I got it

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Speaker 3: for you. That's how amazing she is. But there's some

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Speaker 3: very interesting stuff in there actually that I need to

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Speaker 3: run you through. And none of this let's just get

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Speaker 3: this out of the way. None of this is good

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Speaker 3: for the government. So stand by and we'll get through

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Speaker 3: this in the next hour or so, four away from five.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to hear how easily Chippy tells Fipps.

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: Ah.

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Speaker 3: So he was on radio this morning and he was

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Speaker 3: defending Willow jen Prime for ghosting Erica Stanford's invitations for

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Speaker 3: a meeting, and he said it was all good when

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Speaker 3: he got involved because he's such a hero. Have listened.

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Speaker 9: Well, as soon as I found out about that, Willow

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Speaker 9: Jean Prime did go back to eric Is Stanford and

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Speaker 9: ask for the meeting.

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Speaker 3: Eric Stanford then came back and said, no, sorry, it's

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Speaker 3: too late. That's not what happened. As soon as he

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Speaker 3: got involved with it. Willow jen Prime did not ask

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Speaker 3: Erica Stanford for the meeting. What happened was, as soon

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Speaker 3: as he got involved, Willow gen Prime declined the invitation

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Speaker 3: for the meeting. It wasn't until about three weeks later

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Speaker 3: that Willow Jean Prime finally wrote back to Eric and say, Okay,

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Speaker 3: have the meeting now, and Erica's like, ah, no, bro,

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Speaker 3: decisions have already been made. But the point of this

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Speaker 3: is not to rehearse the whole thing. It's simply to

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Speaker 3: point out to you Chippy has a real phibby problem, mate,

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Speaker 3: Like it's I mean, I know all politicians like to

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Speaker 3: guild the lily, but Chippy is Chippy's taking this to

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Speaker 3: a new level of just like he has borderline on

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Speaker 3: the L word. I'm not allowed to say the L

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Speaker 3: word too often because I can get sued for defamation.

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Speaker 3: I'm lying is the word. By the way I can

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Speaker 3: get suited for defamation also makes me sound like I'm

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Speaker 3: too hard of a bird, and I you know, I

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Speaker 3: want you to think I'm a little bit nice. So

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Speaker 3: I'm just skirting that word and I'm calling it fibbing.

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Speaker 3: But that boy can tell a poor kier. He's got

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Speaker 3: a nice smiley face, looks real friendly and stuff. You

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Speaker 3: got old butterwoodn't mouted on Chippy. Chippy's just blu telling

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Speaker 3: your FIBs the whole time anyway. Keeping an eye on

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Speaker 3: it for you. Shane Joe us with us next and

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Speaker 3: David on rationing the gas obviously, and then David Seymour

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Speaker 3: will explain what is going on why our government isn't

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Speaker 3: following the Aussies into recognizing the Palestinian state. Newstalks 'b.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts analysis, the drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather Dupussy on Drive with One New

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Speaker 1: Zealand Let's Get Connected News Talks dB.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. There are reports that Shane Jones is investigating

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Speaker 3: whether he can or should rationale gas supply to keep

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Speaker 3: certain businesses going. Now this comes after Balance lost its

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Speaker 3: gas supply to Contact Energy so that Contact Energy could

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Speaker 3: supply homes. Shane Jones is the Associate Minister of Energy

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Speaker 3: and with us right now.

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Speaker 23: Hey Shane, Hey, gooda good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Are you seriously considering rationing.

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Speaker 23: We've taken some advice as to how we can dedicate

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Speaker 23: the gas to the most important purpose from Andy Knight

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Speaker 23: at the gas company and our MB officials. Naturally, there's

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Speaker 23: a lot of resistance to the idea of the crown

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Speaker 23: replacing the market. But I've got to tell you, with

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Speaker 23: the gas plummeting and the ability of gent tailors to

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Speaker 23: burn more coal, we don't want to see them profiting

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Speaker 23: from too much gas at the cost of ordinary key

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Speaker 23: weis who are really living in grim circumstances in relation

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Speaker 23: to their business life.

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Speaker 3: Are you considering banning new gas connections on new builds.

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Speaker 23: No, No, I'm aware that there is a proposal to

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Speaker 23: transition people in their homes away from gas to solar energy,

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Speaker 23: and they've done that in aussy and that should be

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Speaker 23: looked at. But I'm not in the business of banning

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Speaker 23: any gas experience. That was my unfortunate acquiescence six years ago,

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Speaker 23: and hopefully you realize I've paid my penance.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So what happens if you do get into the

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Speaker 3: rationing business. What happens to people who need gas to

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Speaker 3: run their stoves?

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Speaker 23: Well, let's just step back. The first thing is we're

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Speaker 23: going to deploy some of this two hundred million dollars

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Speaker 23: in the short term to accelerate the delivery of gas

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Speaker 23: amongst those limited number of companies that are still sinking

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Speaker 23: wells in Taranaky and can increase the amount of gas.

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Speaker 23: The bigger problem, however, is that the gas decline is

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Speaker 23: continuing down inexorably. Trying we are trying to work with

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Speaker 23: firms to transition them onto electricity. But I got to

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Speaker 23: tell you, Heather, the electricity prices are still stupendously high

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Speaker 23: and that won't change until we obtained the animal spirits

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Speaker 23: in the gentile pertually.

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Speaker 3: But listen, Shane, answer that question for me. If you

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Speaker 3: decide to ration and you give it to business ahead

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Speaker 3: of consumers who live in houses, what happens to the

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Speaker 3: houses that need to run gas through their stoves? What

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Speaker 3: do they do?

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Speaker 23: No, we're not We're not making any blunt decisions. For example,

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Speaker 23: we've got hospitals and schools that it dependent on gas.

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Speaker 23: So no, no, no, we're not going to make any

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Speaker 23: blunt decisions. We're going to first make sure that we've

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Speaker 23: got high quality advice and what is actually doable. And

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Speaker 23: that's why I would turn to arguably the cleverest man

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Speaker 23: about gas in New Zealand and the CEO of the gas.

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Speaker 3: Company Listen, is this thermal co idea goer for you?

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Speaker 23: Well, it originally started, I'm told, with Contact Energy before

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Speaker 23: I had the portfolio, and well, you know, we've got

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Speaker 23: to move through the various options that the officials will

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Speaker 23: provide to us, and we haven't got to that point.

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Speaker 23: But the mixed views about it. One view is that

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Speaker 23: the Crown is absorbing the detritus of the gent tailors

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Speaker 23: will lay swell off and make more money, but that

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Speaker 23: won't be happening. Their glory days are over. And the

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Speaker 23: other is if we need gas and coal, it's probably

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Speaker 23: a good idea to ensure that we have our own

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Speaker 23: reserves of coal rather than just bringing it in from Indonesia.

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Speaker 23: And if we're going to get more gas either imported

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Speaker 23: or extracted from our own land, then the government needs

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Speaker 23: to have an integrally involved in that to keep the

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Speaker 23: lights on, right.

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Speaker 3: Shane, thanks for your time, Shane Jones, The Associate Minister of.

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Speaker 4: Energy, Heather due for the Allen.

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Speaker 3: The government is defending its decision to take its time

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Speaker 3: on the recognition of a Palestinian state. There are reports

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Speaker 3: it's being held up by coalition disagreements. David Seymour is

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Speaker 3: the Deputy Prime Minister and the ACT Party lead down

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Speaker 3: with us. Now, hey, David, is it really coalition disagreements

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Speaker 3: or is it simply that all of you guys are

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Speaker 3: on board with taking your time here.

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Speaker 25: Well, first of all, the only person saying that is

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Speaker 25: Chris Hipkins. Chris Hipkins doesn't know what's happening in cabinet,

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Speaker 25: mainly because the voters ejected him from that room for

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Speaker 25: being a bit useless. Quite frankly, the truth is that

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Speaker 25: the government is taking its time. Some people say this

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Speaker 25: conflict goes back four thousand years. I don't think it's

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Speaker 25: a major problem for the government of New Zealand on

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Speaker 25: the other side of the world to take a few

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Speaker 25: weeks to come to a sober and sensible decision where

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Speaker 25: we know where we stand and also have thought through

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Speaker 25: things like what happens next. Because I can understand people

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Speaker 25: who are affected by the emotion of seeing these grotesque

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Speaker 25: scenes and terrible things that are happening. We understand that,

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Speaker 25: but the question is what do you do about it?

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Speaker 25: And I believe going to come to a very good

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Speaker 25: position as a government that upholds New Zealand's tradition as

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Speaker 25: a country of independent and thoughtful foreign policy, seen as

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Speaker 25: an honest broker in the world.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what is the argument for not doing it in

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Speaker 3: September with everybody?

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Speaker 25: Well, we may very well do that if we go

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Speaker 25: through the discussions we have planned and get to a

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Speaker 25: position by then. But again I think there's this enormous

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Speaker 25: onus of everybody must do something. It almost doesn't matter

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Speaker 25: what the truth is that these kinds of awful conflicts

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Speaker 25: occur because people are ruled by their passions instead of

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Speaker 25: thinking carefully about how they'd like the world to work.

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Speaker 25: Now we will get to a place where our government

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Speaker 25: can hand on hearts say that we are thinking carefully

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Speaker 25: about all of the different sides and their objectives and

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Speaker 25: the challenges they face and why they are in the

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Speaker 25: place they're in, rather than trying to almost prove our

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Speaker 25: own moral superiority over each other, which the likes of

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Speaker 25: Chloe Swarbrock have just been doing getting kicked out of Parliament.

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Speaker 3: For David, Thanks very much for your time, David seymore deepity, Prime.

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Speaker 4: Minister Heather Duplessy, Allen some good news.

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Speaker 3: On what's going on in this country. I suppose this

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Speaker 3: can be kind of a marker of what's going on

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Speaker 3: the Codrona hotel. People have had so much interest in

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Speaker 3: selling their hotel they've narrowed it down to an exclusive

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Speaker 3: group that they're negotiating within that group of still eight groups,

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Speaker 3: so they have got they've had that much interest that

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Speaker 3: when they narrowed it down, thus still dealing with eight

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Speaker 3: different potential buyers. They reckon that they have had interest

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Speaker 3: from locally, so there's enough money here to be able

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Speaker 3: to buy it. They've had interest from Australia, they've had

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Speaker 3: interests from the US, and they've had interests from Singapore.

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Speaker 3: They say a sale announcement on that hotel is expected

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Speaker 3: in the coming weeks, and good luck to them. Fourteen

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Speaker 3: past five. You know what's hard. What's hard at supporting

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Speaker 3: loved ones when you're not physically there. And that is

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Speaker 3: why I love that my food Bag has launched a

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Speaker 3: gifting service. You've got one off bundles, no subscriptions. They

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Speaker 3: deliver nationwide even next day in most places. The thought

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Speaker 3: behind this is brilliant. You've got the large care package

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Speaker 3: now that comes with three full meals, fresh bread, soups,

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Speaker 3: sweet treats. It is delicious. You've got the new Parent Box,

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Speaker 3: which even includes a muslin wrap from Nature Baby, which

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Speaker 3: is a smart touch in nature Baby is delightful. And

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Speaker 3: then you've got the Royal Burned Gift Box. Now that's

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Speaker 3: premium that features lamb from Nadia Limbs own farm. You

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Speaker 3: got proper key. We produce, not overseas imports. Everything's fresh,

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Speaker 3: everything's free range, made with local ingredients. You can even

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Speaker 3: add a personal note. Good food isn't just thoughtful, it's

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Speaker 3: practical support that matters. So just headlong to the shop

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Speaker 3: section on my food bag dot co dot NZ.

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Speaker 4: Heather do for Sea Allen hither.

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Speaker 3: We are unfortunate enough to be in a house that

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Speaker 3: is gas hot water, gas heating and gas cooking. Not

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Speaker 3: sure how we would afford to transition off. This is

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Speaker 3: the trouble. Even though Shane Jones played that down just

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Speaker 3: then a you notice that he was like, ah, nothing, Cavin,

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Speaker 3: but listen, we are running out of gas as a country.

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Speaker 3: We're not gonna get more gas, and if we do

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Speaker 3: get more gases not happening in the next decade. So

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Speaker 3: if you have got the gas connections which I have.

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Speaker 3: Start thinking about what you're going to do, Start saving

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Speaker 3: your pennies. I think seventeen past five. Now the new

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Speaker 3: America's Cup Protocol has beneficially signed and there are some

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Speaker 3: big changes here. Grinders and cyclers are gone. There will

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Speaker 3: only be five crew members per boat, and every team

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Speaker 3: must include at least one female sailor. David Blakey is

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Speaker 3: commodore of the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron and with us.

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Speaker 4: Now, hey David, hi Heather, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. Now, will you admit that

873
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: the token woman is definitely Grant Dalton screwing the scrum

874
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 3: because he's got a great token woman.

875
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 26: No, absolutely not. One of the successes of the Life

876
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 26: Last event was having both a youth and the women's

877
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 26: America's Cup. And what this does is creates a pathway

878
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 26: for our talented young female sailors to go all the

879
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 26: way and be able to compete on the America's Cup

880
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 26: boats themselves.

881
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, so is the ladies there for a pathway?

882
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 25: Is she?

883
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 9: No?

884
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 26: Well, as I say, creates a place for aspiring young

885
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 26: sailors to be able to participate in the boat itself.

886
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 26: And one of the questions we got asked today does

887
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 26: that mean potentially in the future you could have a

888
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 26: boat crewed solely by a woman. And the potential is

889
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 26: indeed there.

890
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 3: David, do you reckon you've I wasn't planning to do this,

891
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: but now you've opened it up. Do you reckon? Have

892
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 3: we taken all of the physical strength stuff out of

893
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: this so women can compete fairly against men in.

894
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 26: This Well, that depends on whether the technology goes hither.

895
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 26: What you will have noticed today is the cycles are

896
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 26: no longer on the boat. That's created more place for

897
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 26: sailors to get on the boat. But they're extremely powerful

898
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 26: machines and they require a lot of skill to sail.

899
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 26: Going to come down to a combination, as it always does,

900
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 26: between the technology and the skill of the sailors. Ultimately

901
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 26: it's going to determine who wins.

902
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: Okay. And one of the rules is that what you're

903
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: allowed to foreigners on your boat? Is that right?

904
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 4: That's correct?

905
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: Okay? So is that allowing what does that allow us

906
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: to do?

907
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 26: So that that that allows a team to have two

908
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 26: non nationals on their boat. So so two crews from

909
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 26: not not from their home nation on the boat. So

910
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 26: and and that that's particularly helpful to to new teams

911
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 26: who want to enter the Event's rule Well it's not

912
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 26: the Peter Burley rule, but but it you know, opens

913
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 26: up the possibility for people to be able to sail

914
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 26: and other teams, particularly the newer ones that want to

915
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 26: get established.

916
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 3: Hey, why do we get rid of the grinders and

917
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 3: the cyclists?

918
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 26: A couple of reasons. So one was to take weight

919
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 26: out of the boat and and change the way that

920
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 26: they're sailed.

921
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 27: So you're you're.

922
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 26: Bringing in more of the new technology around batteries to

923
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 26: to to make it easier for them to sail, and

924
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 26: to adjust the sales and the trim of the foils

925
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 26: on the boat while they're sailing. And as I mentioned earlier,

926
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 26: it enables us to have more people on the boat itself,

927
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 26: so more people actually sailing the boat, which I think

928
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 26: was one of the bits of feedback that we had

929
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 26: from the previous adventors. People would like to see more

930
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 26: people actually sailing the boat rather than necessarily just powering it.

931
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough, David, Hey, thanks very much for talking

932
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 3: us through to appreciate it. David Blakie, Royal New Zealand

933
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 3: Yacht Squadron Commodore. By the way, the token woman is

934
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 3: called Live Mackay. I mean she's actually a really good sailor,

935
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 3: so she deserves to be named Live MacKaye is the woman.

936
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: We have got a bit of a problem. If you've

937
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 3: been following what's been going on with hell Morton Hospital,

938
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 3: you'll know a couple of guys who are in hell

939
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: Molton Hospital with the mental health problems got out and

940
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 3: killed people. Just had an inquiry into it. We'll have

941
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 3: the results for you. We'll talk it through with Health

942
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 3: New Zealand after half past five twenty one.

943
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen

944
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand.

945
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 4: Let's get connected these.

946
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: Dogs, they'd be five twenty three so unhappy to report

947
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 3: to you that it looks like some of us want

948
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: to play the old should Luxe and be rolled game.

949
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 3: In the wake of the not so great polls that

950
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: came out yesterday, there is a column by Andrea Vants,

951
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 3: who I am name checking because she's good and credible

952
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 3: and not just some junior reporter with an opinion. In

953
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 3: her column, she predicts that Luxon is in trouble, that

954
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: his caucus is getting impatient, that speculation about his leadership

955
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 3: has reached fever pitch, and that if it doesn't improve,

956
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: she is not sure that he's going to be the

957
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 3: one leading the National Party at the election election this

958
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 3: time next year. Now, if this is really what National

959
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: MPs are considering, they should ditch that idea immediately because

960
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: Luxin's not their problem. I mean, he is a problem,

961
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 3: there's no debate that, with personal popularity setting at about

962
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 3: twenty percent, he is a drag on the National Party.

963
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: But he is not their actual problem. Their actual problem

964
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: is that the economy is stuffed and that they haven't

965
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 3: yet figured out what to do to fix it, even

966
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: though they've had eighteen months. And it really doesn't matter

967
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: who the leader is, whether it's Nicola or Chris Buship

968
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 3: or Erica or Mark Mitchell or Golden Balls, it doesn't matter.

969
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: They still will not have a plan for the economy.

970
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 8: Now.

971
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 3: If they're worried about their polling right now, they should

972
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: try playing the game of musical leadership leadership musical chairs

973
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: and see what happens to their polling then, because they're

974
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: still not going to have a plan for the economy.

975
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 3: But then they'll also have voters feeling like it's the

976
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 3: shambles up the top of the beehive and not sure

977
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: what's going on there. Yes, they have a problem. Yes

978
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 3: you can see it in the polls. So fix it.

979
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 3: Come up with a solution, Come up with a credible

980
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 3: plan for fixing the economy now and into the future.

981
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 3: That is where the NATS should be directing their energy,

982
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: not into undermining Chris Luxen together. So I told you

983
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: earlier that Laura the producer, had managed to get a

984
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: hold of the entire bundle of what's going on in

985
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: the taxpayers Union Curier Pole, and we've been told to

986
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 3: get a hold of it because apparently the wrong track

987
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: right track is fascinating. Well, it's fascinating in that it's dire.

988
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 3: It's just dire. This is where people get asked, quite simply,

989
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: do you think that the country is headed in the

990
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 3: right direction or in the wrong direction? Because what that

991
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: takes into account is yet, it might be a bit

992
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: shite right now, but as long as it's headed in

993
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 3: the right direction, you've got confidence. It's completely in the

994
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 3: wrong direction. Two thirds of people are saying it's headed

995
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 3: in the wrong direction. So it's a full thirty four

996
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 3: percent says yep, we're going in the right direction. Fifty

997
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 3: four percent say we're going in the wrong direction. So

998
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 3: when you subtract one from the other, what you get

999
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: is a net negative of twenty one percent. Now, that

1000
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: is as bad as it's been. It's worse than it's

1001
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: been the entire time that these guys have been in government.

1002
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 3: It's as bad as i've It doesn't go back far

1003
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: enough because we've only got we've only got it from

1004
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: pretty much when they took over. So I don't know

1005
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: what was going on under labor, but that's a really

1006
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 3: bad number, and I'd be surprised if it was any

1007
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 3: worse than that under labor. Anyway, that's their problem. And

1008
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 3: as to you back up my claim that the economy

1009
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: is the issue here, they ask people as well, this

1010
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: is the taxpayer's union, curier pole. They ask people, what

1011
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,959
Speaker 3: what is it that you are the most worried about.

1012
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: What's the thing that you're going to vote about? Vote

1013
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 3: on health ten percent, the treaty three percent, housing three percent,

1014
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 3: Law and order two percent, the economy and cost of

1015
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 3: living forty five percent, forty five percent, like look at

1016
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 3: the others. Right, it's two two percent, three percent, ten percent,

1017
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: the economy forty five percent. That is why these guys

1018
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: are getting punished, not only because the economy is bad,

1019
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: because they don't have a plan as well. Anyway, good

1020
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 3: luck to them, hopefully they can figure it out. Now

1021
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 3: the nappy case. I don't know if you've been following

1022
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: the Zuru case in the High Court, but it is fascinating.

1023
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 3: I reckon we've got more insight from this nappy case

1024
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: and to how the supermarkets work than we have from

1025
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 3: the grocery Commissioner. Anyway, I'm going to run you through that.

1026
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: Before six o'clock we got the Huddle standing by Garethuse

1027
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 3: and Thomas Scriminger. And also let's talk next about what's

1028
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 3: going on at Hill Morton News Talks. He'd been til

1029
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: fly twice.

1030
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 4: After making the news. The news makers talk to Heather first.

1031
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's

1032
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: get connected news talk.

1033
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 4: Sa'd be.

1034
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 3: Huddle standing by. I'm going to run you through. Remember

1035
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: I have to run you through what's going on with

1036
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 3: the Zoru nappy case. I think it's fascinating. Also, apparently

1037
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 3: one in five businesses made a loss last year. This

1038
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 3: is according to the IID. Now, that sounds like a lot,

1039
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: but that's actually not that unusual, which is quite good

1040
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 3: news given what we're going through as an economy. So

1041
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: we'll have a chat to Gareth Kennan of Informetrics after

1042
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 3: six about that. Twenty four away from six now, a

1043
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 3: scathing report has found significant failings with Canterbury mental health services.

1044
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 3: Two psychiatric patients have murdered innocent people in the community

1045
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: on two separate occasions. You had the case in twenty

1046
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 3: twenty two when the hill Morton Hospital in patients stabbed

1047
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: a woman outside her christ Church home while he was

1048
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 3: out on munity release. And then you had October last

1049
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 3: year or another one of the mental health patients, Elliott Cameron,

1050
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 3: murdered Fay Phelps in her garden. Phil Grady is the

1051
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 3: National Director of Mental Health Service and Addictions at Health

1052
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 3: New Zealand.

1053
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 4: I fell, hey, Heather, Phil, why did.

1054
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: Your staff ignore Elliot Cameron's own warnings that he was

1055
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 3: going to kill again?

1056
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 27: Look first and foremost, this is a tragic circumstance where

1057
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 27: there has been two people killed in our community in Canterbury.

1058
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 27: What I will say is that I can't talk about,

1059
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 27: particularly around any findings related to Elliot Cameron because that

1060
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 27: is part of a coronial inquiry.

1061
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 3: Hold On, hold on, well, why does a coronial inquiry

1062
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 3: prevent you from talking about it?

1063
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 23: Look, the.

1064
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 27: Coroner has put non publication order against the report. But

1065
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 27: what I will say is that the internal report that

1066
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 27: we didn't that particular case.

1067
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 3: Okay, so he said you can't. They have said that

1068
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 3: you can't publish that. But have they said you can't

1069
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 3: talk about this at all?

1070
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 27: So there is a you know, there's all of the

1071
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 27: coronial requirements in relation to that. But what I can

1072
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 27: talk about is that I.

1073
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 3: Just want to just explain to me just before we

1074
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: move on, Explain to me, are you telling me that

1075
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 3: because of a coroner's order you cannot talk about this

1076
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 3: case at all?

1077
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 27: That that's why I'm telling you.

1078
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 3: Year carry on then as you were.

1079
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 27: Yep, yes so. But look, today was released of the

1080
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 27: section ninety nine report from doctor John Corshaw from the

1081
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 27: Ministry of Health and look as how New Zealan look.

1082
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 27: We accept that the report has identified failings in some

1083
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 27: of the operation of the Caunterign Mental Health Service, except

1084
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 27: the findings in full and certainly welcome doctor Coreshaw.

1085
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 3: So what you're telling me is you agree with what

1086
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 3: he says. So what he says is that you guys

1087
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 3: do not have enough staff. And what makes that even

1088
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Speaker 3: worse is that even though you know you do not

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Speaker 3: have enough staff, for some reason, management just don't say

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Speaker 3: yes to hiring more staff. What's going on?

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Speaker 27: Yeah, Look, so at the time October, sorry June and

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Speaker 27: twenty twenty two, there were staffing issues, particularly in the

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Speaker 27: forensic Mental Health service. But what I want to say

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Speaker 27: to you is that the staffing of that service has increased,

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Speaker 27: so there are more staff on the ground running that service.

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Speaker 27: In fact, there are eleven percent more staff in that service,

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Speaker 27: six percent more staff in the whole I increases in

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Speaker 27: the whole of Canterbury mental health services. Have you got

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Speaker 27: enough round more staff on the ground? Look, there is

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Speaker 27: an international challenges in recruiting mental health staff. They are

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Speaker 27: a key engine for operating a mental health services, a service.

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Speaker 27: We're focusing really hard as a country, but also on

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Speaker 27: Canterbury around recruiting more psychiatrists and increasing that pipeline and

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Speaker 27: that we can always use more.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, listen, I think what we all want to

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Speaker 3: know about is the case obviously of Elliott Cameron and

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Speaker 3: Faith helps. So do you know when this publication order

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Speaker 3: is going to be lifted or when the coronial inquiry

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Speaker 3: is actually happening?

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Speaker 27: Look the coronial inquirement. We know the coronial inquiry process

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Speaker 27: takes time and I think either behind you or what

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Speaker 27: question is? I think there's questions around why this happened

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Speaker 27: and you know what learning there can be from it,

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Speaker 27: but I just can't talk about it and the coronial

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Speaker 27: process will work through. It's work through the coroner's process.

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Speaker 3: All right, Phil listen, thanks very much, look forward to

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Speaker 3: hearing what they've got to say at the coronial end.

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Speaker 3: Phil Grady, National Director of the Mental Health and Addictions

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Speaker 3: Service in Health New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: For you coming up twenty away from six and on

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Speaker 3: the huddle with us we have Gareth Hughes, director of

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Speaker 3: the Well Being Economy Alliance out here Allway, former Green

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Speaker 3: MP obviously and Thomas Scrimser of the Maximu Institute. Hire

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Speaker 3: you two. Gareth, you see Shane Jones's considering rationing what

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Speaker 3: gas we've got left. I mean that sounds desperate, doesn't it.

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Speaker 28: Well, it's pretty odd thing for a government ministers to say.

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Speaker 28: I mean, it's quite incredible to be in the situation. Look,

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Speaker 28: I agree with Shane, probably not for the reason that

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Speaker 28: he thinks so we should be rationing it because it's

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Speaker 28: a fossil fuel. But it's ridiculous that we're in this

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Speaker 28: situation where businesses are shutting down, people are potentially going

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Speaker 28: out of work because of the problem, which has been

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Speaker 28: a long time in the making.

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Speaker 3: Is it a surprise to you, Garris, No, it's not.

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Speaker 28: I mean people have been warning about this for decades,

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Speaker 28: and this is why I think a responsible government would

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Speaker 28: have acknowledged this is a sunset industry been trying to

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Speaker 28: look at the most high value, most efficient use of

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Speaker 28: the gas. Look, it's a real waste. If we're just

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Speaker 28: burning this for electricity or using it at our homes,

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Speaker 28: we'd better.

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Speaker 23: To use it for now.

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Speaker 3: You've got to stop working. I'm desperate not to. I'm

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Speaker 3: desperate not to get into a fight with you, Thomas.

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Speaker 28: More than just the measure there for government, even you know,

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Speaker 28: the previous labor government have been rolling out salt of

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Speaker 28: the panel. Some people, Oh, we probably wouldn't be in

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Speaker 28: the fast you're asking for it.

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Speaker 3: You're asking for it, Thomas, what do you think I mean?

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Speaker 3: This is I feel like we need to accept there

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Speaker 3: is no coming back from this. Is there like we

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Speaker 3: are running out of gas. We have not got gas

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Speaker 3: coming out. Probably rationing is the only sensible thing left

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Speaker 3: to do.

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Speaker 23: Well.

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Speaker 29: Gareth was talking about finding the most high value and

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Speaker 29: efficient use for the gas we have, which, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 29: is highly limited. But we have a system for rationing

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Speaker 29: and finding efficient use of resources. It's the price system.

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Speaker 29: And so I guess my observation is that if businesses

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Speaker 29: are getting outbids for gas on the open market against consumers,

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Speaker 29: that's telling us something that the consumers need for the

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Speaker 29: gas is higher than the businesses. Now, Gareth raised, I

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Speaker 29: guess solar panels on the roof of every house. It's

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Speaker 29: kind of misunderstanding where gas is used in the electricity

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Speaker 29: generation market. It's used as a peaking when other sources

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Speaker 29: are unavailable, and so currently the gas is providing a

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Speaker 29: really important function in the consumer electricity market. So it's

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Speaker 29: not the future of it, you know, It's not like

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Speaker 29: we can it's not like we're looking like we're finding

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Speaker 29: much more gas if we go exploring, but at the

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Speaker 29: moment it's still pretty crucial.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Gareth, I need to ask you this question, right

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Speaker 3: because I just I don't always understand how greenheads work.

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Speaker 3: So is this what you guys wanted? I mean, what

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Speaker 3: you've got is you have got gas running out and

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Speaker 3: that's the ideal, but the reality is that we're replacing

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Speaker 3: it with coal. How do you feel about that?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 28: I feel terrible about it. It should not have happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what should have happened instead? Though, because this is

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Speaker 3: the only way that peaking works, well.

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Speaker 28: We should have had a proper just transition to look

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Speaker 28: after those workers and actually transition. And the problem is

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Speaker 28: we've got a crazy electricity market that even you know.

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Speaker 28: I agree with Shane Jones on this point, the fact

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Speaker 28: that we're deindustrializing because of our super expensive electricity, where

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Speaker 28: gas is setting up the marginal price, the expensive price.

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Speaker 28: I think successive governments have failed to unlock what is

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Speaker 28: cheaper electricity. You look around the world, keeper investing in

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Speaker 28: wind and solar because it's cheaper, but we haven't taken

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Speaker 28: advantage of that.

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Speaker 3: People are investing in wind and solar because they don't

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Speaker 3: have as much renewable energy as we do. We are

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Speaker 3: like maxing it out. We're really good on that front, and.

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Speaker 28: We should be saving the hydro dams to that peaking

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Speaker 28: function that Thomas mentioned. But when we're running our system

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Speaker 28: entirely for profit rather than the public good or actually

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Speaker 28: delivering cheaper electricty for companies and customers.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now do you think yeah? Actually, do you know

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Speaker 3: what I was going to ask you about Palestine? But

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Speaker 3: we need to take a break and then we'll deal

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Speaker 3: with Palestine afterwards. I think fourteen away from six.

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Speaker 3: Write your back of Thomas Scrimjer and Gareth Hughes on

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Speaker 3: the huddle. Thomas, should we recognize the state of Palestine

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Speaker 3: now or should we take our time?

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Speaker 29: Well, I think it's perfectly reasonable for the government to

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Speaker 29: want to take its time. New Zealand's long express a

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Speaker 29: desire for a two state solution, but there are some

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Speaker 29: really key things we have to be clear on if

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Speaker 29: we're going to recognize a Palestinian state and for it

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Speaker 29: to be meaningful, so as people will be aware. Palestine

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Speaker 29: as it currently exists in two geographic areas with two

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Speaker 29: different groups in authority. Gaza, where Israel is waging its war,

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Speaker 29: is governed by Hamas and has been for over a decade.

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Speaker 29: The West Bank is ruled by the Palestinian Authority, And

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Speaker 29: like an indispensable part of recognizing a state is identifying

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Speaker 29: a legitimate government that has a capacity to enter into

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Speaker 29: relations with other states. If we can't point to this

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Speaker 29: group and say they are the government of this new

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Speaker 29: Palestinian state, recognition doesn't mean a whole lot. So the

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Speaker 29: question for New Zealand to actually resolve in our minds

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Speaker 29: is who is this state of Palestine we will recognize?

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Speaker 29: And because this is the merging out of a concern

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Speaker 29: for the war in Gaza, how recognizing the Palestinian authority

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Speaker 29: as that state actually help the people on the ground there?

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Speaker 23: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Can you argue with any of that, Gareth.

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Speaker 28: No, But the fact is that France, the UK, Canada

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Speaker 28: and Australia, countries that we would normally be standing alongside,

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Speaker 28: are prepared to make this step now. Obviously what's happening

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Speaker 28: in Gaza is horrific and for a country like New Zealand.

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Speaker 28: It is respect on the world stage. This is something

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Speaker 28: meaningful we could do to be ultimately halting the well,

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Speaker 28: it's actually following through on the long standing policy. Both

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Speaker 28: David Ceymour and Winston Feeders have said it's a case

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Speaker 28: of when not, If so, why not do it now?

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Speaker 28: Obviously there's mechanisms in place, from the Palestinian authority to

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Speaker 28: the Stabilization Force which the UN has been discussing. I

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Speaker 28: agree with former Prime Minister Helen Clark. It is humiliating

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Speaker 28: that we're following behind them and it doesn't look like

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Speaker 28: we're able to reach a position, and the question is

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Speaker 28: will even be able to get a consensus position in

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Speaker 28: the cabinet. That's not clear.

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Speaker 3: What I'm confused about, Thomas, is how we have landed

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Speaker 3: with this being the discussion. I mean, we have children

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Speaker 3: who are starving in Gaza, who need food, So why

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Speaker 3: are we discussing the state of Palestine instead of discussing

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Speaker 3: how on earth we force Israel to feed these people.

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Speaker 29: Well, I think it's a reasonable discussion to be having

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Speaker 29: because at some point the hot war will cease and

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Speaker 29: you know there will be some sort of, if not

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Speaker 29: an absolute peace, there will be a relenting of military power,

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Speaker 29: and we have to think what comes next. So it's

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Speaker 29: perfectly appropriate for us to be having this discussion and

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Speaker 29: thinking about what institutions can protect the people in Palestine,

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Speaker 29: both in the West Bank and Gaza, because the status

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Speaker 29: quo that existed before October seventh wasn't sustainable and wasn't

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Speaker 29: acceptable to anyone. So we need to be thinking about

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Speaker 29: what comes next. But we also have to keep in

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Speaker 29: mind that's simply recognizing a Palestinian state, especially if we

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Speaker 29: can't identify who has their legitimate authority over that state,

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Speaker 29: won't actually help people on the ground.

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Speaker 3: Gareth, do you agree with me that national would be

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Speaker 3: crazy to roll luxem Now?

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Speaker 27: Well, it's a hard one.

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Speaker 28: I mean, look, the measure of the yardstick that lux

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Speaker 28: and himself has put up is his management of the economy,

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Speaker 28: and that's clearly not delivering at the moment. You know,

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Speaker 28: we see factories closing, historic high unemployment since twenty twenty,

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Speaker 28: you know, tens of thousands of people are out of

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Speaker 28: work because of the poor economic condition. So yeah, on

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Speaker 28: his own yard stick, he's not delivering. It's pretty clear

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Speaker 28: he's one of the weaker performances performers when you look

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Speaker 28: at his personal polling versus the polling of the government,

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Speaker 28: I think an uncharitable opinion would be that, you know,

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Speaker 28: keep him on, keep them having the blame until conditions

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Speaker 28: turn around. There are some other performers within the government

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Speaker 28: as well, but it's pretty rare at this point in

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Speaker 28: the electoral cycle to even be considering a change of

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Speaker 28: the Prime minister so soon after the election. That books

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Speaker 28: the sign of the times, and there's clearly a bit

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Speaker 28: of momentum and a bit of pressure within the National

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Speaker 28: Party and outside to raise this question.

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Speaker 3: Are they really considering it Thomas or I mean, tell

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Speaker 3: me honestly what you think. Are they really considering it

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Speaker 3: in the NATS or is this just columnists and viewing

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Speaker 3: their keyboards.

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Speaker 29: Well, I don't pretend to understand what's happening on the

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Speaker 29: inner workings of the National Party. I think it's pretty

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Speaker 29: unlikely that they'd be taking the knives to him. I

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Speaker 29: think would be fairly foolish for them to do so,

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Speaker 29: because even if Luxon is in some sense struggling to

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Speaker 29: connect with the public at the moment, instability is the

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Speaker 29: great killer of governments anyway. If people don't believe that

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Speaker 29: there is a team that is working together and Luxon

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Speaker 29: might not be connecting as well with the voters as

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Speaker 29: he would like, but he is setting up as ministers

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Speaker 29: to achieve a lot of things. And I think even

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Speaker 29: you know, Gareth might not be the kind of person

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Speaker 29: who is a fan of what the government is doing.

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Speaker 29: He might think they are enacting policies he doesn't like,

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Speaker 29: but they are moving at pace on the things they

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Speaker 29: say are important to them. The economic growth has not returned,

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Speaker 29: but governments have relatively little control about economic growth months

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Speaker 29: to month, and so they are enacting structural change in

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Speaker 29: the economy for better or worse.

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Speaker 3: Guys, it's great to talk to the pair of you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Gareth Hughes, Thomas Skrimjar huddle this evening,

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Speaker 3: it's coming up eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Art Radio powered by news Talk.

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Speaker 4: Zeb right zero.

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Speaker 3: I've been dying to tell you about this. I'll find

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Speaker 3: this absolutely fascinating. By the way, it's six away from six.

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Speaker 3: So Zuru's nappy case is on at the High Court

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Speaker 3: in Auckland at the moment and it's fascinating for the

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Speaker 3: insights that it gives you into how the supermarkets work

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Speaker 3: with their deals with suppliers. So it turns out that Rascals,

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Speaker 3: by the way, is the Zoru nappy brand. Turns out

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Speaker 3: Rascals has one of these exclusivity deals with food Stuff.

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Speaker 3: Food Stuffs are the guys who own Pack and Save

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Speaker 3: a New World and four Square and so on, and

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Speaker 3: the exclusivity deals and stuff. That's the stuff that's really

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Speaker 3: winding up the grocery commissioner. And this deal basically says

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Speaker 3: that Rascals branded nappies would only be on their shelves

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Speaker 3: only on the food stuff shells. No one else's can't

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Speaker 3: be supplied to Woolworth's. Will worth is running the Countdowns

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Speaker 3: and the Wolworths's and the Fresh Choices and the supervalue

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Speaker 3: supermarkets and so on. So that's the first thing, but

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Speaker 3: that's like an obvious thing in an exclusivity deal. The

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Speaker 3: second thing, though, is that food Stuff's then also has

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Speaker 3: a rite of refusal on any new products that Rascals develops.

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Speaker 3: So they come up with a new product, for the

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Speaker 3: first one hundred and twenty days, which is about four months,

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Speaker 3: they have to first give it to food stuff. Food

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Speaker 3: stuffs can take its time with it, then they can

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Speaker 3: go nah, yeah or whatever, and after that food stuff

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Speaker 3: doesn't want it, then they can take it to the competitors. Also,

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Speaker 3: Zuru has a fascinating advertising strategy for how it gets

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Speaker 3: mums to buy those nappies. It doesn't take out expensive

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Speaker 3: TV and radio ads. Instead, what it uses as social

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Speaker 3: media and at geo targets mums on social media. Mums

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Speaker 3: I did not know this. Mums are the most engaged

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Speaker 3: social media users of everybody, and I think that's probably

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Speaker 3: because this is new mums by the way, probably because

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Speaker 3: they're breastfeeding in the middle of the night and board

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Speaker 3: and so they just scroll on social media. Anyway, what

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Speaker 3: it does, and this is Zeru, is that can basically

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Speaker 3: choose a supermarket and then say a food stuff supermarket

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Speaker 3: obviously because that's the one they signed up with, and

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Speaker 3: then it can say I'm gonna drive I'm gonna drive

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Speaker 3: sales in that supermarket, and they do it by geo

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Speaker 3: targeting the mums living around it, and it works and

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Speaker 3: apparently they're able to turn a few hundred dollars of

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Speaker 3: spend into tens of thousands of dollars of views on

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Speaker 3: the social media. Also also, and this is the last

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Speaker 3: thing that I think is fascinating here. Also, so far,

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Speaker 3: the claim has been that supermarkets, in this relationship between

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Speaker 3: supermarkets and suppliers, supermarkets are the ones who bully the suppliers.

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Speaker 3: But this case actually suggests that it's not that. That

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Speaker 3: is not where the power always lies, because Nick Mobray

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Speaker 3: of Zuru appears to be the one calling the shots here.

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Speaker 3: The claim is that he tried to stop Woolworth's stocking Treasures,

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Speaker 3: which is a competitor nappy brand, and so he called

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Speaker 3: Woolworth's in February two thousand and one and said some

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Speaker 3: stuff about Treasures. The claim is that as a result

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Speaker 3: of that phone call, Woolworth's made purchase orders on the

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Speaker 3: Friday and then canceled them the following Monday. Nick Mobray

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Speaker 3: does not dispute that he made that phone call and

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Speaker 3: does not seem to dispute what he said in the

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Speaker 3: phone call. He stands by everything. So there you go.

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Speaker 3: How fascinating is that. Next up, we're going to talk

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Speaker 3: to Gareth Ken of Informetrics. Apparently twenty percent of businesses

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Speaker 3: are making losses, which is actually not that unusual. Despite

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Speaker 3: the fact that we've been in the greatest recession of

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Speaker 3: thirty to fifty years. Also, I've been getting a lot

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Speaker 3: of texts throughout this program asking me what I think

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Speaker 3: of this young drug dealer who just got sentenced on

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Speaker 3: home d yesterday. It is a fascinating case, so let's

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Speaker 3: talk about it in the next half hour. News Talks THEREV.

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Speaker 4: What's up, what's down? Major calls and how will it

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Speaker 4: affect the economy?

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Speaker 1: The big business questions on the Business Hour with Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicylan and Mas for.

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Speaker 4: Trusted Home Insurance Solutions Used Talks ENV.

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Speaker 3: Evening coming up in the next hour. Spark is selling

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Speaker 3: a lot more of its data center business than expected,

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Speaker 3: so Greg Smith will talk us through that. Jamie mackay

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Speaker 3: on why B and Z is so much more confident

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Speaker 3: than Fonterra about the milk price, and then end of

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Speaker 3: Brady will do the UK for us. Right now, it's

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Speaker 3: seven past six. Now economists are a little bit worried

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Speaker 3: about the number of businesses posting a loss. IID data

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Speaker 3: from the twenty twenty three tax years showed one in

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Speaker 3: five businesses made a loss. That's one hundred and seven businesses.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and seven thousand businesses obviously in total. Gareth

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Speaker 3: Kennan is Infametric's chief forecaster. Hey, Gareth, evening, Heather. Now,

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Speaker 3: it's a bit of debate about these numbers. Is it

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Speaker 3: one in five or is it actually one in three?

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Speaker 30: Well, there's about a third of businesses when you look

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Speaker 30: at those numbers that record it neither a profit nor

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Speaker 30: a loss zero and come. So my feelings those were

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Speaker 30: should probably be taken out of the numbers because it

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Speaker 30: looks like they're not operational, probably not even you know,

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Speaker 30: sort of a real business in a sense. So you

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Speaker 30: probably get a better steer just looking at the numbers

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Speaker 30: excludingized ones.

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Speaker 3: And that takes us to what one in three?

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Now tell me you understand this better than

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Speaker 3: I do. But if we have an increase in the

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Speaker 3: current loss share from thirty two point three percent to

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Speaker 3: thirty four point six percent, that doesn't seem that bad.

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Speaker 30: No, I mean, I was surprised by the sort of

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Speaker 30: lack of movement and the numbers when you look at

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Speaker 30: the data over the last seven years, they haven't really

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Speaker 30: swung around a lot. The changes seem to be pretty marginal.

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Speaker 30: The other thing that surprised me is the fact that

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Speaker 30: you know, you are talking a third of businesses that

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Speaker 30: are making a loss in any given year, and you

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Speaker 30: would hope that across the economy overall, that things were

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Speaker 30: a little more profitable when times were going good. But

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Speaker 30: doesn't seem to be the way the numbers work out.

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Speaker 3: Now, why would it be that it hasn't got given.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we are talking about having a recession, some

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Speaker 3: say the worse than thirty years, some say the wors

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Speaker 3: than fifty years. Whatever it is, it's bag how come

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Speaker 3: it hasn't gone up more than that?

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Speaker 30: And look, it may just be a reflection that there's

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Speaker 30: sort of an uneven distribution across you know, companies making losses.

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Speaker 30: We don't know how big those losses are, and they

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Speaker 30: might have been quite previous years and there might be

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Speaker 30: more loss making going on. So you know, it's a

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Speaker 30: case of I guess, having to look at some of

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Speaker 30: the other indicators around how businesses are performing out there

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Speaker 30: as well and just trying to get a steer on them.

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Speaker 30: But you know, over the last two years, those numbers

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Speaker 30: at least suggesting there are more businesses making a loss.

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Speaker 30: So it is consistent with the deterioration and the economy

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Speaker 30: that we have seen.

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Speaker 3: Is it possible that because this is the twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: three twenty four tax here, that actually we're not seeing

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Speaker 3: the ugliest stuff yet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 30: I mean when you look at the numbers and the

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Speaker 30: way the economy performed, it was kind of flat through

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Speaker 30: twenty twenty three through that, and so that's still being

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Speaker 30: captured in the twenty four year, like you say. And

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Speaker 30: the worst of that recession we know, was through the

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Speaker 30: middle part of last year, so in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 30: five tax year, So it could well be that over

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Speaker 30: the next twelve months or so, as we get more

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Speaker 30: data through, you do see more of a deterioration and

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Speaker 30: those figures coming out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, we have been spending a lot of time,

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Speaker 3: because everybody's feeling gloomy in the middle of and tough

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Speaker 3: and feeling a bit poor, We've been spending a lot

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Speaker 3: of time just thinking about the economy. What is your

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Speaker 3: forecast for when we start to feel decent about what's

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Speaker 3: going on.

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Speaker 30: Yeah, Look, the one thing that's really holding us back

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Speaker 30: as far as I'm concerned, is the labor market. You know,

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Speaker 30: we were hoping that the unemployment rate would peak in

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Speaker 30: them this year and start to track lower. We've pushed

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Speaker 30: out the timing on that, but the real concern for

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Speaker 30: me is when you look at things like job ad

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Speaker 30: numbers or monthly job figures, they've gone sideways for the

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Speaker 30: last year or so and there's not really any sign

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Speaker 30: of an improvement there. And my feeling is that until

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Speaker 30: you start to get that labor market turning around, until

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Speaker 30: there's an improvement in people's sense of job security and

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Speaker 30: income security around that, even though interest rates have been

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Speaker 30: coming down and people of not having to pay as

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Speaker 30: much on the mortgage, they will still be cautious on

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Speaker 30: their spending for some time. So it could well be

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Speaker 30: into late late this year or early twenty twenty six

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Speaker 30: before that household spending starts to pick up, and of

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Speaker 30: course at that time we should start to see more

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Speaker 30: spending coming through in provincial areas with the good export

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Speaker 30: prices that we've had as well.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. Gareth, Thanks for your time, Gareth Kin and

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Speaker 3: Infirmetric's chief forecaster. It's eleven past six so the Australian

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Speaker 3: Reserve Bank governor has just been speaking to media because

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Speaker 3: of course they cut the OCR over there by twenty

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Speaker 3: five basis points, taking it down to three point six.

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Speaker 3: And yes, if you've been thinking that the Ossie should

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Speaker 3: be returning to a more palatable three point five rather

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Speaker 3: than the wonky three point six, the Ossie junos have

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Speaker 3: been thinking the same.

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Speaker 31: It was a unanimous decision to cut interest rates by

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Speaker 31: twenty five basis Was there any discussion for a larger

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Speaker 31: cut even thirty five basis points to bring it back

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Speaker 31: to those twenty five basis point increments? A lot of

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Speaker 31: people have ocd about the art of cycle rate.

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Speaker 32: Yes, I get a lot of questions about the that

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Speaker 32: Juliet about the thirty five The answer is no, there

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Speaker 32: wasn't discussion of a larger rate cut.

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Speaker 11: It was, as you say, unanimous.

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Speaker 3: And on the international economy they reckon the outlook is

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01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 3: not terrible, not great, but not terrible.

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Speaker 32: The global outrook remains unpredictable, even though it seems that

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Speaker 32: the risk of all more damaging widespread trade war has

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01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 32: eased a bit. We expect global growth slow over the

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01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 32: red to the year and into twenty twenty six as

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Speaker 32: impacts from high tariffs and brought a policy uncertainty way

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Speaker 32: on activity.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that global growth is slowing into twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: What's happening in twenty twenty six? That's right? Our election

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Speaker 3: just saying cutting it a bit fine, old national, aren't

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01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 3: they listen? Scumbags Now scumbags has blown up into a

1515
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 3: thing that's not a word you're allowed to call people anymore.

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01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to explain it some stage.

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01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: Hang on six twelve, it's the Heather Duplicy Allen Drive

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01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by newstalg Zebbi.

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01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 3: Heather, is this guy aware of reality? That's Gareth Kennan

1520
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 3: of Informetrics. We own a small business. We have absolutely

1521
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 3: no security moving forward when not looking to employ whatsoever.

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01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 3: Quarter past six.

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01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 4: The Rural Report on Heather Duplicy Allen Drive.

1524
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 3: Jamie McKay, host of the Countries with us Ay, Jamie,

1525
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 3: can I hear that? Okay? Talk me through what's going

1526
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 3: on with allions?

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01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 13: Right?

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01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 23: Well?

1529
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 22: The mate industries worse kept secret was let out of

1530
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 22: the bag this morning, so meat posts of the Alliance groups.

1531
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 22: There's Irish based company down Meats is lining up to

1532
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 22: pay two hundred and fifty million dollars for a sixty

1533
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 22: five percent steak in the meat co op. Remember Heather

1534
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 22: that the Alliance groups the only fully owned or fully

1535
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 22: farmer owned, one hundred percent cooperative in the meat industry,

1536
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 22: or certainly that I know of. Anyhow, it is based

1537
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 22: out of Inmbicargo, but it's got plants in the North

1538
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 22: and South Island. It Isney Zealand's biggest sheep meat exporters.

1539
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 22: Silver Fern Farms is our biggest meat processor enterprise. Or

1540
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 22: this deal values the enterprise at five hundred and two

1541
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 22: million dollars. Now what are they going to do with

1542
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 22: their two hundred and fifty million dollars? Or they're going

1543
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 22: to use most of it? It would seem to pay back debt.

1544
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 22: They're going to accelerate the capital expenditure program. Some of

1545
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 22: it will go to farmer shareholders. Just how much will

1546
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 22: be interesting and how it affects their share value will

1547
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 22: be interesting as well. The board unanimously endorsed the deal.

1548
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 22: Other suitors there were other suitors. Apparently there were three.

1549
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 22: They got down to three. I think I'm reading between

1550
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 22: the lines there. I think Silver Fern Farms might have

1551
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 22: been close. Of course, that's the other big meat company

1552
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 22: in this country. Fifty to fifty joint venture with the

1553
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 22: Chinese now bought by Shanghai Mailing a decade ago. And interestingly,

1554
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 22: Dawn Meats was understood to have been the underbidder to

1555
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 22: that offer in twenty fifteen sixteen, So we need shareholder

1556
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 22: acceptance obviously, Heather. If they don't get it, what are

1557
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 22: the options for the Alliance Group then asset sales, site

1558
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 22: closures We've already seen Smithfield in Timaru and further cost

1559
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:40,520
Speaker 22: cutting initiatives.

1560
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 4: And just to give you some.

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01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 22: Idea about Dawn Meats who they are family owned Irish

1562
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 22: company founded in nineteen eighty core An you'll turnover a

1563
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,759
Speaker 22: five point eight billion compares to one point eight billion

1564
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:56,799
Speaker 22: that's New Zealand dollars for the Alliance Group, whose turnover

1565
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 22: has been slipping in the past few years. Interestingly, the

1566
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 22: final point old mats makers. The Alliance Group has come

1567
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 22: in for a fair bit of flack in recent years

1568
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 22: or seasons because as the only one hundred percent farmer

1569
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 22: ow meat process and co op, it's been accused of

1570
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 22: uncooperative sweetheart deals for largest suppliers and third party traders.

1571
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 22: See if you pay if you supply Fonterra, for instance,

1572
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 22: Heather or Zesbury, you get the same no matter whether

1573
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,839
Speaker 22: your milk or kiwi fruit comes from Northland or Southland.

1574
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 22: Not that we grow keywi fruit in Southland just yet.

1575
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 3: Not yet, not yet. But if we carry on with

1576
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 3: this climate change in the coal for long enough, you

1577
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 3: will be talk to me about B and Zen. Why

1578
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:40,799
Speaker 3: are they feeling so confident?

1579
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 22: Ah, well, they've led the charge for their forecast milk

1580
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 22: price for the twenty five to twenty sixth season. They've

1581
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 22: lifted it seventy five cents to ten dollars twenty five,

1582
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:57,600
Speaker 22: remembering Fonterra started with a pretty a pretty bullish forecast

1583
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 22: milk price themselves at ten dollars, albeit their midpoint wasn't

1584
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 22: exactly in the middle because their price forecast range was

1585
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:10,799
Speaker 22: from eight to eleven dollars now GEDT last weeks, GDT

1586
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:15,440
Speaker 22: will have probably boyed the ben Z a wee bit here. Interestingly,

1587
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 22: the futures market's called its heels a wee bit. But

1588
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 22: this afternoon, when I last checked, the twenty five twenty

1589
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 22: six futures market was trading at ten dollars sixteen, down

1590
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 22: from ten to twenty three. If we get another ten

1591
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 22: dollars payout, hallelujah, praise the Lord, because we're going to

1592
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 22: get one for the twenty four to twenty five season.

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01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 22: That will be decided by Fonterra anyhow in September or October.

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01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 3: Brilliant stuff, Jamie, Thank you so much, Jamie McKay, Host

1595
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 3: of the Country, nineteen past six.

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01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 4: Heather do for Sea Allen.

1597
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 3: I've got a company for my rental, Heather, I've posted

1598
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 3: a loss for the last two years. Well, that goes

1599
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 3: to explain all those kind of the companies just posting

1600
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 3: losses that Gareth was talking about. He couldn't quite explain it.

1601
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 3: There's your explanation, now, scumbag. So scumbag has turned into

1602
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 3: quite the thing over in the UK. And what's happened.

1603
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 3: How it came about is that there's a chap who

1604
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 3: runs a shop and he's he's like, he's not a hater,

1605
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 3: he's a bit woky, to be honest with you. So

1606
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 3: it's he probably is alarmed at the fact that he

1607
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 3: finds himself in the middle of this. But he runs

1608
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 3: something like a thrift shop or something like that. He

1609
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 3: looks like Gandalf. So Gandalf is running a thrift shop

1610
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 3: and he puts up a sign and it says, I

1611
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 3: just got to get thee un here we go. Do

1612
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 3: you to scumbags shoplifting? Please ask for assistance to open

1613
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 3: the cabinets. Thank you. Now if I saw that, I

1614
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 3: wouldn't think anything. Okay, fair enough, I'll ask for your assistance. Well,

1615
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 3: actually police didn't like that. So police came around to

1616
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 3: his shop and said, yeah, you need to remove that then,

1617
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 3: And he was like why and they said, because he

1618
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 3: says it's not illegal to call them scum bags. They

1619
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 3: are scumbags, and they said, n it might be offensive

1620
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 3: to the shoplifters, so can you remove it? Anyway? This

1621
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 3: is blown up and as you can imagine, and quite rightly,

1622
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 3: into a mass of brew haha in the UK, because

1623
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 3: the cops in the UK are bonkers, like they are

1624
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 3: honestly the weirdest police force ever, the busy doing the

1625
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 3: weirdest things like telling people off for riding a bike

1626
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 3: without their hands on the handle bars and going around

1627
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 3: to former journalists' houses and telling them off for tweets

1628
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 3: and arresting them over like this is literally what the

1629
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 3: cops they are doing. So, as you can imagine, this

1630
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 3: has got the cops in a whole lot of trouble

1631
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 3: because in the UK they've got a major shoplifting problem,

1632
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 3: just like we do. And I think most people over

1633
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 3: there would like to see the cops actually turning up

1634
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 3: and dealing with shoplifters, not turning up and dealing with

1635
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 3: Gandalf and telling him that he's not allowed to call

1636
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 3: them scumbags anymore. Bizarre set of priorities from the police. Anyway,

1637
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 3: it's blown up massively. The Telegraph has written in opinion

1638
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 3: piece saying we stand by Gandalf. He's allowed to call

1639
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 3: them scumbags. People have gone to the Prime Minister asked

1640
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 3: him would you call them scumbags? The whole thing has

1641
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 3: just become an entire drummer, which could have been avoided

1642
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 3: if the cops just arrested the scumbags and didn't try

1643
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 3: to defend the scumbags anyway, Ander Brady will run us

1644
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 3: through it when he's with us. Get his take at

1645
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 3: about quarters to seven, six twenty one.

1646
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro microbe or just playing economics, it's all

1647
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: on the business hours with Heather Duplicy, Allen and maz

1648
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 1: for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions use talks EV.

1649
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 3: Heather, please tell New Zealand if you were the finance minister,

1650
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 3: what you would do with the current restrictions. Nicola has

1651
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 3: oh Man, you asked me my favorite question. Okay, hang on, well,

1652
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 3: if we get time before this program is finished, I

1653
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 3: will answer that question for you. Twenty four past six.

1654
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 3: Now here we go. Here's the story about the drug

1655
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 3: drug dealer. So there's a young chap named Rowan Hewitson

1656
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 3: who lives in Wellington, nice part of Wellington. Raised in

1657
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 3: a nice part of Wellington, between his parents' home in

1658
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:35,799
Speaker 3: Wilton and in why can I not rough parts of Wellington.

1659
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 3: He's been busted for importing up to nearly six million

1660
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 3: dollars worth of ketamine and MDMA, most of which arrived

1661
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 3: in the country labeled as consignments of baby food and

1662
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 3: pain reducing heat belts. He's pleaded guilty. He is now

1663
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 3: twenty one, but he was eighteen or nineteen at the

1664
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 3: time of the offending. He appeared in court yesterday for

1665
01:19:56,479 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 3: his sentencing and the starting point was five years five

1666
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 3: months in jail. Hang on, before I tell you what

1667
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,839
Speaker 3: actually happens, got to first tell you how he got busted.

1668
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 3: What he was doing. This kid's clever, what he was

1669
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,719
Speaker 3: doing was he was having his packages of drugs sent

1670
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 3: to other people's houses, as you know, like career packages

1671
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,839
Speaker 3: and stuff. And he arrived at one of the houses

1672
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 3: and asked the woman if his package had been wrongly

1673
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 3: delivered to her property, and she didn't want to hand

1674
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 3: it over because number one, the name on the package

1675
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 3: was that of a woman. He was not a woman,

1676
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 3: So she's like, is this actually your package? But also

1677
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 3: she recognized him because he'd done this before to her

1678
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 3: house a number of times. By the looks of things,

1679
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 3: she's starting to get suspicious. So he was pleading with

1680
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 3: her to hand over the package. He then took a pot.

1681
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,719
Speaker 3: She said no, She took a photograph of him, threatened

1682
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 3: to call the cops if he didn't leave. Eventually he

1683
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 3: left and then they reported the incident's incident to the police,

1684
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,640
Speaker 3: and that is how he got busted. Anyway, turns up

1685
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,639
Speaker 3: in court. Remember five years five months is the starting

1686
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 3: point of his jail term. By the time Judge Kelly

1687
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 3: is finished with him, Judge Kelly has discounted it by

1688
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 3: sixty five percent sixty five percent, leaving a substitute of

1689
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 3: home d available. Oh wow, don't judges always end up there,

1690
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 3: and so he ends up with ten months of home

1691
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 3: d and two hundred hours of community work. Now my

1692
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 3: question to you is how did he get sixty five

1693
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 3: percent discount? Because did we not just pass a law

1694
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,679
Speaker 3: in June that captain at forty percent? What's going on anyway?

1695
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 3: Laura's asking, Laura's asking Paul Goldsmith's office right now, and

1696
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have an answer for you tomorrow. So is

1697
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 3: the rule happening or is the rule not happening? Have

1698
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 3: we changed? What's going on? Why is Judge Kelly doing

1699
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 3: this to us? Twenty seven past.

1700
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 4: Six Keller do for cee Ala.

1701
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 3: Here's your Showbazz News. First there was Stan Walker. Now

1702
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:48,480
Speaker 3: another kerew We artist has captivated Australian singing singing competition audiences.

1703
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 3: Cassie Henderson, twenty six year old singer. You'll know her.

1704
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:54,560
Speaker 3: She won Best Pop Artist at this year's altsier Or

1705
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 3: Music Awards. She performed a rendition of Chapel Rohan's song

1706
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 3: good Luck Babe.

1707
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 9: Where does?

1708
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 3: She says she managed to get all four judges to

1709
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 3: turn their chairs around. That's a good thing, by the way.

1710
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 3: That means they like and want to see her. Judge

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01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 3: Ronan Keating said her performance was like that of a

1712
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 3: professional artist. Melcy from The Spice Girl says she was

1713
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 3: born to perform. This is her go on as pump

1714
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 3: it Up. You'll know this song because it's on our radio.

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Speaker 13: Enjoy News is next.

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Speaker 5: Just that.

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01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates. The Business Hour

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01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 1: with Heather du for c Allen and Mas for Trusted

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Speaker 1: Home Insurance Solutions, News Dogs dB be with you.

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Speaker 22: Five.

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01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 3: Let me tell you where this is how efficient? Paul

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01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 3: Goldsmith's officers. Young Jack, who works there, has already come

1723
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 3: back to us with an answer on why the discount

1724
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 3: was at sixty five percent Because while the law yes

1725
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 3: has already kicked in, the law only applies to crimes

1726
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 3: that are committed after the law kicked in. So from

1727
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 3: now on, from crimes committed from June onwards, that's a

1728
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 3: forty percent cap. But if you've already got a crime

1729
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 3: in the bank, and yeah, you're going to appear before

1730
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 3: Judge Kelly for a crime you already did before June,

1731
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 3: you're in luck. Judge Kelly might give you a massive

1732
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:55,640
Speaker 3: discount sixty sixty five percent, seventy five percent, why not

1733
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 3: twenty four away?

1734
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:58,640
Speaker 14: Out now. Not to undercut what Jack did, but we

1735
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 14: said to Laura before can you go get us that

1736
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 14: full poll? And boom, there's the poll. Look, we said

1737
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 14: to her, can you go get Jackson? Can you go

1738
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 14: to Jack and Paul to tell us about the Senate singtion?

1739
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 14: Well she go, excuse it, Laura, can you go get

1740
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 14: us the Epstein files.

1741
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 3: And this is a good call.

1742
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 14: Let's if we can raise the bar bit.

1743
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, just flying out really quickly. She'll be back in

1744
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 3: a minute with it. Twenty three away from seven.

1745
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 4: Heather Duplicy Ellen So, Spark has.

1746
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 3: Sold seventy five percent of its data center business to

1747
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 3: Ossie firm Pacific Equity Partners. PEP is paying four hundred

1748
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 3: and eighty six million dollars for this, along with another

1749
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 3: eight ninety eight million dollars if performance targets are hit

1750
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,640
Speaker 3: by the end of twenty twenty seven. Greg Smith is

1751
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 3: the head of retail for Devon Funds and with us.

1752
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 21: Hey, Greg, Hey, good evening, Heather.

1753
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 3: This is the high end of what we were expecting a.

1754
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 21: Incertainly is I mean, it's thirty point eight times for

1755
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,480
Speaker 21: you twenty five earnings.

1756
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 4: So that's a pretty good price.

1757
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 21: And I just I suppose it reflects the demand, yeah,

1758
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 21: for these sort of assets. So look, it had been

1759
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 21: well flagged that this divestment was being considered, and it

1760
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 21: was sort of really something that Spark had to do.

1761
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 21: There'd been a lot of focus on their debt levels,

1762
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 21: on protecting the dividend, and the reality is building up

1763
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 21: these data center is expensive, so they're going to need

1764
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 21: to spend a billion dollars on the data center roll out.

1765
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 21: So it's a good outcome, it's a good price. They

1766
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 21: can pay down some debt, they can keep some skin

1767
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 21: in the game, and of course they're getting in this

1768
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,639
Speaker 21: out of the way before the four year results next week.

1769
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're obviously using some of the money to

1770
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,440
Speaker 3: pay the dividends. Should they be paying dividends at the moment.

1771
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 4: Though, Yeah, And I mean that's been the question.

1772
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 21: So you know, they've effected been paying dividends that they

1773
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 21: actually can't really afford to. So this is going to

1774
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 21: change things a bit. You know, this business is being

1775
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 21: sort of separate into a new standalone company. So we

1776
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 21: are expecting, with the sort of clarity that we've got now,

1777
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 21: some sort of dividend cut next week. So the current

1778
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 21: divin to give you an idea, is around about twenty

1779
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 21: five cents per share. That's expected to go down to

1780
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 21: around eighteen the.

1781
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 4: Current share price. That's still a pretty good yield.

1782
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 21: Yeah, six to sort of seven percent. So obviously investors

1783
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 21: haven't liked the result today today will the announcement today

1784
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 21: so much? She is down two and a half percent.

1785
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 21: But I think, you know, it is sort of that

1786
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 21: fact that now we are going to be facing a

1787
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,719
Speaker 21: cut in the dividend announced next week, and the question

1788
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 21: will be whether it's the final dividend or the dividend

1789
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 21: for the sort of the forthcoming year. We know the

1790
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 21: pressure that Spark has been under. Business spend has been

1791
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,520
Speaker 21: under the pump given the economy, Government spending has been pressurized.

1792
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 4: So I think what'd be really.

1793
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,639
Speaker 21: Interesting as well is whether there's any sort of green

1794
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 21: shoots in that outlook. And yeah, I suppose that's what

1795
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 21: investors will perhaps be clinging to.

1796
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 8: Now.

1797
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 3: There's been a fair bit of talk about the leadership

1798
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 3: on board leadership, executive c suite leadership as well. What

1799
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 3: do you reckon is going to change here?

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01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 21: Well, I think for the moment that's probably you know,

1801
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 21: I think the benefit of the doubt is going to

1802
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 21: be given to the current current leadership. But yeah, sparks problems,

1803
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 21: you know, are a lot of it's been about it

1804
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:56,640
Speaker 21: out of its control when you look at what the

1805
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 21: economy has been heavily pressurized. So there's certainly not a

1806
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 21: lot there. There have been some questions over you know,

1807
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 21: what they're going to be doing with various assets. We

1808
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 21: now have some certainty there around the data centers, so

1809
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 21: I think there will be an element of benefit of

1810
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 21: the doubt, And yeah, what invests are really looking for

1811
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 21: some sort of signs that things can turn around. I think,

1812
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 21: you know, for a long time, your sparks sort of

1813
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 21: been out of its depth in terms of you know,

1814
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:23,719
Speaker 21: I suppose the checks has.

1815
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 4: Sort of been going one way. Now you know that

1816
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 4: obviously now got.

1817
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 21: That going the other way. This data center. So so

1818
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 21: it's going to pay down debt, it's going to make

1819
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 21: the balance sheet in this in better shape. That's going

1820
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:35,759
Speaker 21: to be good in terms of the credit rating. Agencies

1821
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 21: are going to maintain that a minus rating. They're going

1822
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 21: to say, protect the dividend to an extent all that

1823
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 21: it's probably coming down, And I think there will be

1824
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 21: some benefit of the doubt given for the company to

1825
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 21: sort of get through and hopefully have a better sort

1826
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 21: of six to twelve months ahead.

1827
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 3: Brilliant stuff. I really appreciate it. Appreciate your expertise, he agreed.

1828
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 3: That's Greg Smith, Devin Fund's.

1829
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 4: Head of retail, Heather du for cl.

1830
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's my favorite thing to do. We're going to

1831
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 3: respond to all of the texts, like the text from

1832
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 3: Gary saying what would you do if you're the Minister

1833
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 3: of Finance. Well, first of all, I'm not the Minister

1834
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 3: of Finance, and you should be grateful for that because

1835
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 3: I have no idea what I'm talking about. But you

1836
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 3: can't be criticizing the Minister of Finance and giving her

1837
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 3: a hard time unless you have some idea of what

1838
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 3: you think she should be doing. And I frankly think

1839
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 3: she should be cutting the corporate tax. Once again, I'm

1840
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 3: telling you, I'm no idea what I'm talking about, as

1841
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 3: a lot of the Minister of Finance am I. But

1842
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 3: I will point to the fact that the head of

1843
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 3: the Chamber of Commerce and Auckland, Simon Bridges, has also

1844
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 3: just called for the same thing, a cut in the

1845
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 3: corporate tax rate. Now I don't know I mean, there's

1846
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 3: a lot of it seems to me what we want

1847
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 3: to do is we want to get money into this country,

1848
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 3: don't we want foreign investment in this country. But we

1849
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 3: don't just want random foreign investment that people just come

1850
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 3: and park millions or billions here, just put it in

1851
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 3: the bank. That's no value to us. You actually want

1852
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,719
Speaker 3: them investing in building, right and spending. And so what's

1853
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,679
Speaker 3: the easiest way to bring foreign investment into the country

1854
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 3: is to cut the corporate tax rate. So then you

1855
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 3: cut the corporate tax rate. It's going to do that.

1856
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 3: The downside of cutting the corporate tax rate, obviously, is

1857
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 3: that you're immediately in order for the long term gain

1858
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 3: with all those tax that all that tax going into

1859
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 3: the government's coffers.

1860
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 4: Long term.

1861
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 3: Short term, you lose out right because you were raking

1862
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 3: in twenty eight percent from the banks and now you

1863
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,799
Speaker 3: cut it down. Now you're only raking a nineteen percent.

1864
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 3: This material difference. I don't know how you get around that.

1865
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 3: Maybe you stagger it, Maybe you do something clever. You

1866
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 3: go new businesses, you come in at nineteen percent, everybody

1867
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 3: else you're at twenty eight percent. It will stagger you

1868
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 3: down for the next ten years and it will drop off.

1869
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 3: Maybe you drop everybody down, you put a banking levy on.

1870
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's a number of ways you could

1871
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 3: skin that cat, but that is what I would be doing,

1872
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 3: or something equally bold, because I think if we're in

1873
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 3: the position that we're in right now, surely what we

1874
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 3: need to be doing is something bold, isn't it. So anyway, Gary,

1875
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 3: thanks for the opportunity. There you go. Now there is

1876
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 3: a prediction I'm sad to say that the convertible is dead,

1877
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 3: and this is coming from motoring people over in the

1878
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 3: UK who've looked at the sales of convertibles and the

1879
01:29:55,400 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 3: number of convertibles on offer from various motoring brands go

1880
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 3: it looks like the thing is dying a death. There

1881
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 3: are not as many available to buy. This is just

1882
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 3: out of the UK right so it's not clear whether

1883
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:10,680
Speaker 3: this is also happening in New Zealand, but probably not

1884
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 3: as many available to buy. The number of drop top

1885
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 3: models available to buy in the UK has fallen by

1886
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 3: forty five percent just in the last five years, basically halved.

1887
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 3: Sales have declined dramatically in the eighteen years between two

1888
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 3: thousand and four and twenty twenty two they had an

1889
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 3: eighty three percent drop in the number of convertible cars

1890
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 3: that were sold. They back in two thousand and four

1891
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 3: about ninety four thousand cars sold, twenty twenty two only

1892
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 3: sixteen thousand. That's a massive drop off. They've pointed out

1893
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 3: that our de lexis Smart, Jaguar, Nissan, Pergo, Reno, Toyota, Vauxel,

1894
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 3: and Volvo no longer offer any convertibles for sale, none

1895
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 3: at all. They used to, they do owned anymore now.

1896
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 3: The reason for this is probably they think because we've

1897
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 3: all moved into SUVs. Back in the day, it was

1898
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 3: Diana driving around in a convertible. Then we all wanted

1899
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 3: a convertible. But now you see all the celebs like

1900
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 3: the Kardashians and stuff driving around a gigantic Blackie, and

1901
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 3: now we want those instead. So SUVs are the new

1902
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:05,679
Speaker 3: glam car to have. Also, you don't need to drop

1903
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:07,640
Speaker 3: top if you've got a sun roof or one of

1904
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 3: those really like long, full length glass roof things that

1905
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:12,639
Speaker 3: you often get in the in the suv. Our SUV's

1906
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 3: got one of those. I think I don't look up

1907
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 3: that often, but I think so. So then you don't

1908
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 3: need a convertible. Also, electric cars are a problem. They're

1909
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 3: expensive to make, so if you're playing a lot of

1910
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 3: money into electric cars, then you don't want to sell

1911
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 3: stuff that's not very profitable. So anything that's slightly less profitable,

1912
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 3: like convertibles, are dumped. And that's a pity, isn't it,

1913
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 3: Because there is nothing as fun if you've been in

1914
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 3: a convertible in summer. There's nothing as fun as driving

1915
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:40,599
Speaker 3: around in the sun, is there? Sixteen away from seven?

1916
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 4: If it's to do.

1917
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 1: With money, it matters to you of a business hour

1918
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:49,560
Speaker 1: where the head DUP Cllen and MAS for Trusted.

1919
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 4: Home Insurance Solutions news.

1920
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 3: Talks, that'd be Oh you want to see the latest

1921
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 3: from Tafano Upper Nui. Just hang on and run you

1922
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 3: through that. Thirteen away from seven, end of Brady UK

1923
01:31:58,479 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 3: correspondence with US.

1924
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:01,880
Speaker 2: Hello Ender, Hey Heather, how are you?

1925
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 3: I'm very well? Thank you. How you enjoying having JD Vansentown?

1926
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 2: Well, that's very interesting the security detail this man brings

1927
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:11,799
Speaker 2: with him. So he's in one of the most rural

1928
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 2: parts of England, the Cotswolds. He's staying at dean Manor,

1929
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 2: which is basically a golf balls drive away from David

1930
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 2: Cameron's house. You could hit Dean Manor from Cameron's backyard.

1931
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 2: I reckon with a wedge, that's how close he is

1932
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 2: to the Camerons. It's so quiet over there, there's nothing

1933
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 2: to do. It's farmland that I don't think he'd even

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Speaker 2: find a pub open most days. It is really really

1935
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Speaker 2: remote and rural. And yet he's gone for lunch and

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Speaker 2: his security detail took twenty vehicles. That was the size

1937
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Speaker 2: of the convoy. I've seen the pictures I've heard from locals.

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Speaker 2: Twenty vehicle convoy for one man, one woman, and three

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Speaker 2: children to go for lunch. Now, clearly he's vice president

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Speaker 2: of the United States, but I don't think that would

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Speaker 2: be going down well with the local population. It's mostly

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Speaker 2: farmland and tractors and small lanes. And we're seeing American

1943
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Speaker 2: Secret Service agents pop up in the middle of nowhere,

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Speaker 2: and people are spotting them a mile away because we're

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Speaker 2: in the middle of a heat wave here, and these

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Speaker 2: guys are wearing suits.

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Speaker 3: You're really blending. And now what do you make of

1948
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Speaker 3: this chep who wanted to call the shoplift of scumbags

1949
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Speaker 3: and got told off by the coppers.

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Speaker 2: I one hundred percent applaud this man and I would

1951
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Speaker 2: not be removing my signs from my shop. We're in

1952
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Speaker 2: the middle of never mind a heat wave. We've had

1953
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Speaker 2: a shoplifting epidemic here for years and if you go

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Speaker 2: on social media you are type in London or any

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Speaker 2: town in the UK and shoplifting. You will see people

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Speaker 2: walking into business premises with huge rucksacks, wearing ballet lavas

1957
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Speaker 2: and clearing the shelves and they go for the good stuff,

1958
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Speaker 2: the expensive stuff, everything that can be sold on quickly.

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Speaker 2: I just find it reprehensible that these people are getting

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Speaker 2: away with this. One man has fought back in a

1961
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Speaker 2: tiny little shopkeeper in Wrexham, and what he's done is

1962
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:05,800
Speaker 2: he's put a sign up. He sells vintage clothing and

1963
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Speaker 2: a lot of the good stuff. He's put behind cabinets

1964
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Speaker 2: and he's put a little sign up saying owing to

1965
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Speaker 2: scumbags shoplifting, please ask for the key if you want

1966
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Speaker 2: to inspect these items. I'm paraphrasing, but that's what he

1967
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Speaker 2: put on his sign. He got a visit from the

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Speaker 2: police saying that his sign may cause offense. It gets

1969
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 2: even worse there was a lady in Kent who had

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Speaker 2: a visit from the police this week. She decided to

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Speaker 2: go to her CCTV capture some images of the shoplifters

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Speaker 2: and plaster them around her shop, and she had a

1973
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Speaker 2: visit from the police saying that she was breaching their privacy.

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Speaker 2: Can you believe?

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Speaker 3: So what is going on with your police that dayad

1976
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 3: doing all these weird things?

1977
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Speaker 2: You never see them. First of all, I can tell

1978
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Speaker 2: you now, if I rang instead I've just been burgled,

1979
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 2: you might get a cop round here in a week. However,

1980
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 2: if I rang and reported a certain type of crime,

1981
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 2: or indeed, if I said, yeah, I've been burgled, but

1982
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 2: you know what I've got and I'm sitting on him

1983
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 2: right now and I'll deal with this, you'd have a

1984
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 2: cop round in five minutes.

1985
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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. Now, this pilot who was found drunk in

1986
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:11,840
Speaker 3: the hotel and naked. Was he in his own room

1987
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 3: or was he outside?

1988
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 2: He was everywhere roaming the hotel as if he owned us.

1989
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:23,719
Speaker 2: The problem being that he was completely naked and very

1990
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:26,960
Speaker 2: very drunk. And this was spotted by passengers who had

1991
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 2: flown with his airline a few days previously, and he

1992
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 2: was due to fly a group basically a plane full

1993
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 2: of people back from the Cape Verde Islands off West Africa.

1994
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 2: He was due to fly them four thousand, three hundred

1995
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 2: kilometers back to London Gatwick thirty six hours later. So

1996
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 2: he was quite rightly apprehended. He was reported and now

1997
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 2: easy Jet have suspended him pending an investigation. But one

1998
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 2: would imagine that is the end of his career as

1999
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:56,760
Speaker 2: a pilot. Apparently he just started drinking from the minute

2000
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:57,679
Speaker 2: they got to the hotel.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and as you do, hey, Inda, thanks very much,

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. Into Brady UK correspondent Heather. The number one

2003
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 3: brand for convertibles is Mazda, who have committed to the

2004
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:08,679
Speaker 3: MX five, So go to Masda if you want fun,

2005
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 3: open top driving ideas. Thank you, Tim nine away from seven.

2006
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Speaker 4: It's the Heather Tip.

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Speaker 1: See allan Drive full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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Speaker 22: Here.

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Speaker 3: The MX five is a girls car. I know it's

2011
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 3: a girls car, Simon, but I'm a girl. It's just

2012
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 3: all be a surprise to you so I can. Actually

2013
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't drive it because I drive a Jeep. Because

2014
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 3: I do have a convertible. It's not really a convertible, though,

2015
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Speaker 3: is it. It's a drop top. It's like a soft

2016
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 3: top jeep. So it's just a bloody hassle to get that.

2017
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 3: When you take the roof off my jeep at the

2018
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 3: start of summer, you don't put it back on you

2019
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 3: you just check out on the car port, because that's

2020
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 3: just I don't know if you've ever tried to put

2021
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:48,720
Speaker 3: a jeep Brangler's roof back on the old because I

2022
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 3: don't drive a new one as well, like it's twenty

2023
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 3: something years old, twenty years old or something like that.

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01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 3: You can take a finger off when you're trying to

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01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:56,679
Speaker 3: put that roof back on, so it just stays off

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01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 3: all summer and then it goes back on in the winter.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, the point of the story is that I

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01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 3: probably shouldn't have been born a girl. I'm obviously something

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01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 3: I like to think. I'm a guiver, so I wouldn't

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01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:09,799
Speaker 3: be in an m X five, So thank you, Simon. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So Tofino Uppernui is the East Coast Ewe who have

2032
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 3: been caught in a little bit of a thing with

2033
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 3: the government because they they were almost there with their

2034
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 3: treaty settlements and then remember the government they wanted. They

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01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 3: wanted a little special clause in their treaty settlement whereby

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01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:26,600
Speaker 3: the government would admit that they never seated sovereignties to

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01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:28,640
Speaker 3: the crown. And then the government came out and we're like,

2038
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 3: we're not going to do that anymore because you did,

2039
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 3: or for all intents and purposes you now have to

2040
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,400
Speaker 3: so blah blah whatever. So as a result of this,

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01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 3: East Coast EWE Tofanoa Upnui has decided that it will

2042
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 3: now by the looks of things, just basically pump the

2043
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 3: brakes on the treaty settlement and they'll go no further.

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01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 3: Tepati Mai co leader and to Finnuik spokesperson that are

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01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:54,160
Speaker 3: w e y t t said the issue. Did you

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01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:56,200
Speaker 3: see the problem there? It didn't really matter what he

2047
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 3: says after that?

2048
01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 4: How is how is? How is it?

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01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 3: Awy the spokesperson for the EWE but also the spokesperson

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01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:05,120
Speaker 3: for the Maori party, and can they not see that?

2051
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 3: If that is the case, then we're all just going

2052
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:09,559
Speaker 3: to look at that and go, oh, that's political, so

2053
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 3: that's why you're doing that. It immediately undermines it, doesn't

2054
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 3: it anyway? Good luck to him has it and mesa,

2055
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 3: I've got happy news for you. Are not breaking up

2056
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 3: with Netflix. They have, in fact, just renegotiated the terms

2057
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 3: of the deal. They've signed another deal with Netflix. It's

2058
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 3: a multi year first look deal, so Netflix can look

2059
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 3: at their stuff and go first writ of refusal. Basically

2060
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 3: can look at it, go yeah, we'd love to broadcast that,

2061
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:34,759
Speaker 3: or for the most part, I would imagine no, because

2062
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 3: with Love Megan the cookery show has got four point

2063
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:41,280
Speaker 3: three million views and that's not a lot for Netflix.

2064
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:43,679
Speaker 3: That doesn't even put it in Netflix's top three hundred

2065
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 3: most popular shows Top three hundred most popular shows for

2066
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 3: the first half of this year five point three million,

2067
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:52,679
Speaker 3: compared to Adolescents, which has one hundred and forty five million.

2068
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:54,679
Speaker 3: So anyway, there you go, AND's.

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Speaker 14: Banquet by a block party to play us out tonight.

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01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 14: Why are we playing block party either because.

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01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 3: The concert clubs, three middle aged women are going to

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01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 3: block party tonight.

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01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:03,280
Speaker 5: That's right.

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01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 14: If you were on the fence about going to block

2075
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 14: party at Spark Arena in Auckland hither and the concert

2076
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 14: club will all be there. It's you know, it's going

2077
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 14: to be a good time. And apparently The show in

2078
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 14: christ Church on Sunday night reviewed very well. I'm looking

2079
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:14,880
Speaker 14: at one that's gave it four stars out of five.

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01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be a good one.

2081
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 11: Yeah.

2082
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 3: Now, as am I a little bit cooler than you

2083
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 3: thought I was? When you know I'm going to block party?

2084
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 14: No, I well no, because we are. Your favorite band

2085
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:24,720
Speaker 14: is Boy and Bear, So we know that you're into

2086
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:26,639
Speaker 14: stuff that's off the beaten track. Sometimes that's all good.

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01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 3: I take that as a compliment from ends. I'm Chuck.

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01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:33,799
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what they're like tomorrow. Enjoy your evenings.

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Speaker 22: This me.

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Speaker 17: Here, here, here here

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Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to

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Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow

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