1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:13,093 Speaker 1: from News Talks at be time. 3 00:00:12,933 --> 00:00:17,613 Speaker 2: To catch up with our sustainability commentator Kate all More dinner. Hey, 4 00:00:18,893 --> 00:00:20,813 Speaker 2: it's so good to be chatting with you. You and I 5 00:00:20,893 --> 00:00:23,573 Speaker 2: have a little bit in common at the moment in 6 00:00:23,653 --> 00:00:27,013 Speaker 2: that we are both expanding our families. I am a 7 00:00:27,013 --> 00:00:29,493 Speaker 2: couple of months a hear of you. I somehow don't 8 00:00:29,493 --> 00:00:32,733 Speaker 2: feel like I have quite as difficult a job as 9 00:00:32,733 --> 00:00:36,613 Speaker 2: you do in this department. But this morning you are 10 00:00:36,733 --> 00:00:39,013 Speaker 2: tackling a bit of a thorny issue for lots of 11 00:00:39,053 --> 00:00:42,693 Speaker 2: parents to be, which is how to be more sustainable 12 00:00:42,773 --> 00:00:47,573 Speaker 2: when it comes to baby stuff, And my goodness, this 13 00:00:47,613 --> 00:00:48,933 Speaker 2: is a Pandora's. 14 00:00:48,373 --> 00:00:52,853 Speaker 3: Box, it is. It is honestly like, I've always been 15 00:00:52,933 --> 00:00:55,173 Speaker 3: so excited for this season, knowing that I always want 16 00:00:55,213 --> 00:00:57,213 Speaker 3: to be a mum and you know, as ethically capes 17 00:00:57,293 --> 00:01:00,453 Speaker 3: that will be, you know, I'll carry my values over 18 00:01:00,613 --> 00:01:05,613 Speaker 3: into parents. But yeah, I am learning so much every day, mate, 19 00:01:05,813 --> 00:01:08,653 Speaker 3: ban brain full. But I'm actually really excited to try 20 00:01:08,653 --> 00:01:11,253 Speaker 3: all these things, you know, because I've always had an 21 00:01:11,373 --> 00:01:16,453 Speaker 3: imperfect sustainability and a value set, a belief that you 22 00:01:16,493 --> 00:01:19,293 Speaker 3: can't get it all right, But I'm just I'm intrigued 23 00:01:19,333 --> 00:01:22,773 Speaker 3: to try these things and to know reflect back and 24 00:01:22,813 --> 00:01:25,813 Speaker 3: knowing me as a without a child right now, I 25 00:01:25,813 --> 00:01:28,413 Speaker 3: have all these ideas, but to see if they actually 26 00:01:28,413 --> 00:01:28,813 Speaker 3: work well. 27 00:01:28,853 --> 00:01:31,853 Speaker 2: So, as someone who has to be pretty online for 28 00:01:31,933 --> 00:01:34,333 Speaker 2: the job, who's always on social media and stuff, have 29 00:01:34,453 --> 00:01:36,693 Speaker 2: you found that your social media has just been completely 30 00:01:36,773 --> 00:01:38,933 Speaker 2: overtaken with advertising for baby stuff? 31 00:01:39,653 --> 00:01:41,653 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah it is. 32 00:01:42,133 --> 00:01:44,573 Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. It just changes overnight, all of it. But 33 00:01:44,653 --> 00:01:46,853 Speaker 2: like all of my aunts, everything was like get this 34 00:01:46,933 --> 00:01:49,813 Speaker 2: for your baby, and this and this and this. Really 35 00:01:49,813 --> 00:01:50,773 Speaker 2: do I need this stuff? 36 00:01:51,173 --> 00:01:53,093 Speaker 3: I know, and it's so good at marketing. They're so 37 00:01:53,173 --> 00:01:55,573 Speaker 3: good at because you want the best for your child, right, 38 00:01:56,053 --> 00:01:58,293 Speaker 3: so you're you're like, well, of course I want the 39 00:01:58,333 --> 00:02:02,333 Speaker 3: best thing for my dady, so this. Yeah, they're so 40 00:02:02,453 --> 00:02:05,053 Speaker 3: clever and so sneaky that I'm also grateful. One of 41 00:02:05,093 --> 00:02:07,493 Speaker 3: the great things about being online presences you have this 42 00:02:07,573 --> 00:02:10,573 Speaker 3: whole community of people who understand your values and then 43 00:02:10,613 --> 00:02:13,373 Speaker 3: they're able to actually kind of give you the truth 44 00:02:13,413 --> 00:02:15,893 Speaker 3: around what you need what you don't. But even then, 45 00:02:15,973 --> 00:02:18,333 Speaker 3: some parents are like, oh, I really swore by this 46 00:02:18,373 --> 00:02:23,133 Speaker 3: particular baby nail, you know, cutting cats like it really 47 00:02:23,173 --> 00:02:25,693 Speaker 3: saved our lives. And then everyone therese says, oh that 48 00:02:25,693 --> 00:02:28,653 Speaker 3: that when the NINMVU is that, you know, my baby's 49 00:02:28,693 --> 00:02:31,533 Speaker 3: nails off. So everyone also has a different experience. 50 00:02:31,573 --> 00:02:34,333 Speaker 2: So maybe maybe kind of just trying to work out 51 00:02:34,373 --> 00:02:36,413 Speaker 2: exactly what you do need and don't need is a 52 00:02:36,453 --> 00:02:38,053 Speaker 2: good place to start if you're trying to have a 53 00:02:38,093 --> 00:02:40,333 Speaker 2: sustainable approach totally. 54 00:02:40,413 --> 00:02:43,733 Speaker 3: And also I found getting things sick in hand, So 55 00:02:43,813 --> 00:02:46,693 Speaker 3: even on that baby nail cats thing, sometimes people use it, 56 00:02:46,733 --> 00:02:50,253 Speaker 3: sometimes people don't. You know, it's really just so variable 57 00:02:50,413 --> 00:02:53,333 Speaker 3: depending on the baby and the situation. So you know, 58 00:02:53,333 --> 00:02:55,413 Speaker 3: I found one that was five dollars sick in hand, 59 00:02:55,573 --> 00:02:57,813 Speaker 3: and so if I don't end up using it, it's 60 00:02:57,893 --> 00:03:00,173 Speaker 3: kind of you know, I haven't invested in the big 61 00:03:00,253 --> 00:03:04,493 Speaker 3: piece of equipment. Most I'd say probably ninety five percent 62 00:03:04,573 --> 00:03:08,213 Speaker 3: of the items we have for this baby second hand 63 00:03:08,333 --> 00:03:11,133 Speaker 3: have been passed down from friends and family. Mainly a 64 00:03:11,213 --> 00:03:13,653 Speaker 3: few we've you know, brought from sick and hand shops 65 00:03:13,733 --> 00:03:17,853 Speaker 3: or trade me FA, Facebook, marketplace. But there's just an 66 00:03:17,853 --> 00:03:22,053 Speaker 3: abundance of baby stuff, as you will know that it exists, 67 00:03:22,053 --> 00:03:25,853 Speaker 3: and if we just keep circulating circulating it around, you know, 68 00:03:26,013 --> 00:03:28,733 Speaker 3: newborns aren'ts. I think when they get to kind of 69 00:03:29,053 --> 00:03:31,413 Speaker 3: walking age, they're thrashing their stuff a little bit more. 70 00:03:31,853 --> 00:03:35,413 Speaker 3: But especially for newborns, all that stuff can look like 71 00:03:35,493 --> 00:03:36,493 Speaker 3: it's perfectly brand new. 72 00:03:36,933 --> 00:03:39,413 Speaker 2: It's being used to sodare I ask, what are you 73 00:03:39,453 --> 00:03:40,253 Speaker 2: doing for nappies? 74 00:03:41,253 --> 00:03:44,413 Speaker 3: Yes? This is honestly, this is strangely the thing I'm 75 00:03:44,453 --> 00:03:48,693 Speaker 3: most excited about, because have you heard of elimination communication? 76 00:03:49,733 --> 00:03:52,453 Speaker 2: No, when you cut someone out of your life, whatever. 77 00:03:53,933 --> 00:03:56,893 Speaker 3: That sounds like it. No, it's when you like, you're 78 00:03:56,893 --> 00:04:02,973 Speaker 3: communicating around elimination, elimination being kus andes. So in other countries, 79 00:04:03,013 --> 00:04:04,733 Speaker 3: I know this is going to sound real whack, but 80 00:04:05,093 --> 00:04:08,693 Speaker 3: bear with me. In other countries it is completely normal. 81 00:04:09,533 --> 00:04:12,973 Speaker 3: And you know you can't actually buy neppies in large 82 00:04:13,053 --> 00:04:16,853 Speaker 3: bundles because elimination communication is what they need, what they 83 00:04:16,893 --> 00:04:21,053 Speaker 3: what they use. So it's basically it's a theory I've 84 00:04:21,053 --> 00:04:24,133 Speaker 3: been researching for years, so I'm excited to finally have 85 00:04:24,413 --> 00:04:28,373 Speaker 3: a little child to see if it works on. But 86 00:04:28,453 --> 00:04:31,093 Speaker 3: you're communicating with a child from day one, you know, 87 00:04:31,413 --> 00:04:34,733 Speaker 3: usually they the child has cues around if it needs 88 00:04:34,773 --> 00:04:38,053 Speaker 3: to be fed, if it needs to sleep. Babies always. 89 00:04:38,093 --> 00:04:40,493 Speaker 3: You'll know this from your know a few months old. 90 00:04:40,893 --> 00:04:43,853 Speaker 3: You can tell when they need different things, and it's 91 00:04:43,893 --> 00:04:46,733 Speaker 3: about recognizing those cues around when they need to go 92 00:04:46,893 --> 00:04:51,173 Speaker 3: toilets and acknowledging those cues and giving them a chance 93 00:04:51,293 --> 00:04:53,693 Speaker 3: to go on a potty, hold them over the toilets, 94 00:04:53,773 --> 00:04:54,693 Speaker 3: go on a sink. 95 00:04:54,973 --> 00:04:58,693 Speaker 2: Rather than you're going to do this when they're brain new. 96 00:04:58,693 --> 00:05:01,733 Speaker 2: When your baby's like step free shadows my plan. 97 00:05:02,293 --> 00:05:04,573 Speaker 3: It's my plan, and obviously we go in with a 98 00:05:04,613 --> 00:05:07,733 Speaker 3: plan and very prepared to to change it. But you know, 99 00:05:07,773 --> 00:05:09,493 Speaker 3: a lot of people say, oh, you know, you must 100 00:05:09,533 --> 00:05:10,893 Speaker 3: have so much time to be able to do that, 101 00:05:10,933 --> 00:05:13,413 Speaker 3: But most people and I've seen this, I've literally seen 102 00:05:13,413 --> 00:05:15,653 Speaker 3: it up close with friends in New Zealand to practice it. 103 00:05:15,933 --> 00:05:18,173 Speaker 3: They have a kid who you know ends up being 104 00:05:18,173 --> 00:05:22,373 Speaker 3: fourteen months old and they're potty trained, so it's a 105 00:05:22,533 --> 00:05:26,653 Speaker 3: two way communication. You also make que queuing sounds when 106 00:05:26,693 --> 00:05:30,133 Speaker 3: you're you know, I will be using reasonal nappies, but 107 00:05:30,173 --> 00:05:32,573 Speaker 3: I will be giving them an opportunity to go on 108 00:05:32,613 --> 00:05:35,133 Speaker 3: the potty and to go somewhere else, because no human, 109 00:05:35,573 --> 00:05:38,453 Speaker 3: if they're a day old or forty years old, wants 110 00:05:38,493 --> 00:05:43,653 Speaker 3: to folly themselves. You know, that's instinct. So yeah, it's differends. 111 00:05:43,693 --> 00:05:46,333 Speaker 3: So I means, hopefully I'm watching less three arsual nappies, 112 00:05:46,453 --> 00:05:49,053 Speaker 3: but I'm using that combination of the two. But talk 113 00:05:49,133 --> 00:05:49,973 Speaker 3: to me in a few months. 114 00:05:50,333 --> 00:05:52,213 Speaker 2: Yeah, no good. I mean, look, you got to do 115 00:05:52,253 --> 00:05:55,253 Speaker 2: what works for you. I mean, I yeah, I mean, 116 00:05:56,613 --> 00:05:58,653 Speaker 2: we'll talk in a few months and see how honestly, 117 00:05:58,773 --> 00:06:01,173 Speaker 2: I really hope that you can do this. I I 118 00:06:01,453 --> 00:06:03,053 Speaker 2: if anyone's going to be able to pull it off, 119 00:06:03,053 --> 00:06:06,333 Speaker 2: it's you. I reckon, you know, to try my best. 120 00:06:06,453 --> 00:06:10,573 Speaker 2: But when I think about it, it's actually not the 121 00:06:10,653 --> 00:06:13,813 Speaker 2: number twos. I mean I reckon that there might be cue. 122 00:06:13,813 --> 00:06:15,413 Speaker 2: I mean there are cues, of course, but there are 123 00:06:15,453 --> 00:06:18,013 Speaker 2: cues like some of the time, you know, for for 124 00:06:18,973 --> 00:06:21,493 Speaker 2: number twos and stuff, But the number ones there are 125 00:06:21,573 --> 00:06:25,013 Speaker 2: very few cues in my experience, and so I just 126 00:06:25,093 --> 00:06:27,453 Speaker 2: wonder if that might actually prove to be a trickier thing. 127 00:06:28,013 --> 00:06:31,453 Speaker 3: Totally. I think that's not one hundred percent thing either. Yeah, 128 00:06:31,453 --> 00:06:34,653 Speaker 3: you were to catch you know, fifty percent then more? 129 00:06:34,693 --> 00:06:35,533 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you. 130 00:06:35,493 --> 00:06:38,053 Speaker 3: Know, like I have a friend with an eight week 131 00:06:38,133 --> 00:06:42,693 Speaker 3: old and she was only changing one week, Like how cool? Wow? 132 00:06:42,853 --> 00:06:46,653 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing, that's incredible. Yeah, okay, it's a different, 133 00:06:46,733 --> 00:06:49,333 Speaker 2: different story in our house at the moment. What about 134 00:06:49,373 --> 00:06:51,253 Speaker 2: all the hand me downs and stuff, because you know, 135 00:06:51,413 --> 00:06:53,213 Speaker 2: obviously that's a big part of having a kid, and 136 00:06:53,973 --> 00:06:56,693 Speaker 2: you know, if you've got friends who had children as well, 137 00:06:56,693 --> 00:06:58,693 Speaker 2: they often say, oh, here's heaps of stuff. You know, 138 00:06:59,253 --> 00:06:59,933 Speaker 2: how do you handle that? 139 00:07:01,213 --> 00:07:05,573 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have. I think I'm stilling the values upfront. 140 00:07:05,773 --> 00:07:08,733 Speaker 3: And this is obviously the privilege I have of time 141 00:07:08,813 --> 00:07:12,853 Speaker 3: and kind of pre pregnancy, letting kind of everyone know 142 00:07:12,893 --> 00:07:15,693 Speaker 3: what our values are. So it has meant that when 143 00:07:15,733 --> 00:07:18,213 Speaker 3: it comes to gifts and things for the baby, people 144 00:07:18,213 --> 00:07:22,013 Speaker 3: already kind of cleared up and clear on what type 145 00:07:22,013 --> 00:07:25,053 Speaker 3: of things we may want. So if people do have 146 00:07:25,333 --> 00:07:29,453 Speaker 3: that privilege of time and instilling those those beforehand, that 147 00:07:29,573 --> 00:07:32,133 Speaker 3: is really really helpful because then it doesn't mean when 148 00:07:32,413 --> 00:07:35,333 Speaker 3: you're pregnant you have a baby, people then just you know, 149 00:07:35,493 --> 00:07:37,413 Speaker 3: throw all sorts of stuff at you. You're kind of 150 00:07:37,453 --> 00:07:41,213 Speaker 3: you've already established who you are and you're clear values 151 00:07:41,253 --> 00:07:44,533 Speaker 3: to your friends and family. So yeah, that's key if 152 00:07:44,573 --> 00:07:47,133 Speaker 3: you do have that privilege of kind of time and forethought. 153 00:07:47,853 --> 00:07:51,373 Speaker 3: But I think being really clear, I've found saying no 154 00:07:51,573 --> 00:07:53,733 Speaker 3: to people, you know, just that right, saying no, we 155 00:07:53,773 --> 00:07:56,373 Speaker 3: don't need a gift as actually can be quite rude 156 00:07:56,573 --> 00:08:00,893 Speaker 3: because you're you're blocking their kind of channel of showing 157 00:08:01,293 --> 00:08:03,093 Speaker 3: that they love you and they want to support you 158 00:08:03,133 --> 00:08:06,613 Speaker 3: and this child. And that's yeah, I think that the 159 00:08:06,693 --> 00:08:09,573 Speaker 3: road to completely lock that. And also they're probably just 160 00:08:09,613 --> 00:08:12,853 Speaker 3: going to get something anyway, So directing them to the 161 00:08:12,893 --> 00:08:17,093 Speaker 3: right places. So directing them to cubs is really great online, 162 00:08:17,093 --> 00:08:20,013 Speaker 3: so you can have a marketplace for kids stuff, you know, 163 00:08:20,173 --> 00:08:22,933 Speaker 3: directing them to maybe a particular item that you need 164 00:08:23,533 --> 00:08:25,853 Speaker 3: and telling them, you know, why you need it and 165 00:08:25,853 --> 00:08:29,453 Speaker 3: what kind of specifications. Just not saying a blanket no 166 00:08:29,693 --> 00:08:35,373 Speaker 3: because yeah, that doesn't that doesn't really work out of course, yeah, yeah. 167 00:08:35,413 --> 00:08:39,373 Speaker 3: And also just knowing like, honestly, we've not been given 168 00:08:39,373 --> 00:08:41,853 Speaker 3: any stuff that we don't need or that I'm you know, 169 00:08:41,933 --> 00:08:44,413 Speaker 3: don't suit our values, which I'm so grateful for that 170 00:08:44,413 --> 00:08:47,573 Speaker 3: people have really respected that. But I have had to 171 00:08:47,613 --> 00:08:51,773 Speaker 3: say no to you know, different things we may already have, 172 00:08:52,773 --> 00:08:55,293 Speaker 3: you know, multiple of that we don't need. And just 173 00:08:55,893 --> 00:08:58,933 Speaker 3: even on secondhand, you don't want to be just overwhelmed 174 00:08:58,933 --> 00:09:01,973 Speaker 3: in the whole of stuff in the house. Yeah, you're, yeah, 175 00:09:02,053 --> 00:09:04,853 Speaker 3: trying to look after a new little person. 176 00:09:05,013 --> 00:09:10,013 Speaker 2: So yeah, good luck, Kate. Really, I just I really 177 00:09:10,013 --> 00:09:12,653 Speaker 2: hope you enjoy things as much as as possible, and 178 00:09:12,813 --> 00:09:15,333 Speaker 2: it's just such an amazing little period. I'm going to 179 00:09:15,373 --> 00:09:17,293 Speaker 2: be thinking of you and obviously wishing you all the 180 00:09:17,293 --> 00:09:19,253 Speaker 2: best for this side of things, but you know, just 181 00:09:19,253 --> 00:09:20,693 Speaker 2: more generally, good luck. 182 00:09:21,053 --> 00:09:23,173 Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks. I'll probably need it. 183 00:09:24,653 --> 00:09:28,093 Speaker 2: You're going to be great, You're going to be a yeah. Yeah, 184 00:09:28,133 --> 00:09:30,213 Speaker 2: all right, Well we look forward to catching up really 185 00:09:30,253 --> 00:09:32,453 Speaker 2: soon Kate, or you can find her on the seat 186 00:09:32,453 --> 00:09:35,693 Speaker 2: on the social media platforms, of course, by searching ethically Kate. 187 00:09:36,333 --> 00:09:39,413 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 188 00:09:39,533 --> 00:09:42,333 Speaker 1: to News Talks ed B from nine am Saturday, or 189 00:09:42,413 --> 00:09:44,253 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio