1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Nine two nine two is the text number. Standard text 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: fees apply. Now, remember how I told you yesterday about 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: those little green bins in Auckland and how expensive they are. Well, 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: it came up this morning when Simeon Brown was talking 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: to Mike Hoskang the. 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: It of the green bin which is saving rackpads two 7 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: or three percent on their own rates. Auckland Council could 8 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: do the same, Wayne Brown could do the same. You 9 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: could remove the requirement for that green bin and save 10 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: Auckland as two percent on their rates. 11 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: Now, what I told you yesterday is that it's been 12 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: estimated that for every ton of carbon that these little 13 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: green bins save in Auckland, it's costing Auckland is one thousand, 14 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: four hundred and forty dollars. Now you could just buy 15 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: a ton of carbon from the carbon auction for fifty dollars. 16 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: Justine has is the general manager of Waste Solutions at 17 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: Auckland Council. 18 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 3: Hey, Justin, Hi, thanks for having me. 19 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for joining us. Is that true? Is it 20 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: costing more than fourteen hundred dollars per ton per carbon 21 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: ton saved? 22 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 3: That is the current cost from a carbon perspectives, But really, really, 23 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: important to note that there's significant other benefits in terms 24 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 3: of waste minimization for the services. 25 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: What are the other benefits? 26 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 3: So reducing waste to landfill is absolutely critical in terms 27 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 3: of our waste minimization obligation. 28 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: Why does that ma sujusting because this is all but 29 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: this is all stuff that will just break down in 30 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: the landfill. Food. 31 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 3: Well, there's a significant cost to landfills, environmental, economic, the 32 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 3: cost of communities. So we regularly hear from communities that 33 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 3: they don't want more landfills. So in order to achieve that, 34 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: we need to achieve waste minimization. 35 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: Okay, what are the other benefits? 36 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 3: So the other benefits are repurposing and organic waste so 37 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 3: we can use the waste material from food scraps to 38 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 3: create things like energy fertilizers. So it's beneficial in terms 39 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 3: of a circular economy rather than just having to deal 40 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: with the byproduct. 41 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: Okay, now, okay, so per carbon ton saved, you're paying 42 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: fourteen hundred bucks, but you could literally just by a 43 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: unit of the carbon auction for fifty dollars. 44 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's why it's mist leading to just focus 45 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 3: on the carbon impact. As I say, there's multiple other 46 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 3: benefits for the service. It's also really important to note 47 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 3: that we are looking to grow participation in the service, 48 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 3: so that current cost per ton is based on our 49 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 3: current participation. But we are very interested in supporting Aucklanders 50 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 3: to participate in the service. Cost so per ton can reduce. 51 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: Okay, I see, so the more of us doing it, 52 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: the more it will reduce if the numbers. But here's 53 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: the problem with it, right, You're not going to be 54 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: able to bring the price down very much because if 55 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: twice as many of us do it as are doing 56 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: it now, we will only half that cost. It will 57 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: still cost us seven hundred and twenty dollars per carbon ton, 58 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: won't it. 59 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: That's true. But again there's multiple benefits to the service, 60 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: and it's part of our integrated service. 61 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: And Justine, if every single Aucklander did it, it's still 62 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: going to us about five hundred bucks per carbon ton, 63 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: isn't it. 64 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 3: So yes, there's still a cost to the service. This 65 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 3: doesn't look. 66 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: Like a good idea, like for a value for money, 67 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: which I feel like that's important to rate payers right now. 68 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: Value for money. This is a crap deal, isn't it. 69 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 3: So there's a reason why it's a region wide service 70 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: and again we are trying to support Aucklanders to participate 71 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: so that we can achieve the overall benefits of the service. Okay, 72 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 3: so carbon reduction is one of those benefits. 73 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: How much is this costing me? 74 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: Me? 75 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: Like as in one household, how much does it cost? 76 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: The cost is just over seventy dollars and as part 77 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: of your targeted rates, so it's approximately two dollars a week. 78 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,839 Speaker 1: Okay. Now the government, I know the Labor government made 79 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: this mandatory, but this government has said it's not mandatory anymore. 80 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: Why don't you opt out of it to save money 81 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: for us? 82 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 3: So the decision to proceive with for food script service 83 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: was made over a long period of time. Was first 84 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: adopted in our twenty twelve waste management minimization plan. So 85 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 3: there's been a lot of public consultation on this topic 86 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: to get to the decision to introduce the service. The 87 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 3: service would require a decision to exit the service from 88 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 3: our governing body, and as part of that advice, we 89 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 3: would need to help them understand what the cost of 90 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: removing the service would be. 91 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, when you say cost, you're obviously not 92 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: talking about money, are you? 93 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 3: I know the implications of withdrawing the service, Justine, of 94 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 3: which there would be multiple Yeah. 95 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: Justine, thank you. I really appreciate your time. 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