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<v Speaker 2>also advice around how to structure your mortgage. So if

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<v Speaker 2>chat about restructuring your mortgage. But also if it is

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<v Speaker 2>the time to finally bite the bullet, mindset changes because

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<v Speaker 2>it's easy to sit there and watch the market do

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<v Speaker 2>must do this, and you never do. So what does

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<v Speaker 2>people to get into the market and finally bite the bullet.

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<v Speaker 2>After five o'clock, Jenny Hale from the Parenting Place joins us,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who needs to build the resilience first.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually perhaps it's the parents. Sometimes it's just one long

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<v Speaker 2>lots coming up tonight. Auckland f C and we've got

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<v Speaker 2>the Blues and Wina Pacifica which would be underway I

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<v Speaker 2>think it is not too far away, and the Highlanders

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<v Speaker 2>versus the Fiji and Drew it as well. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>lots to get our heads around. Welcome to the Weekend Collective.

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<v Speaker 1>Three, parenting, property, politics plus money, health and the week's debates.

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<v Speaker 1>talk Zevvy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes in time for our panel and look in no

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<v Speaker 2>particular order and without needing particular fanfare, because I always

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<v Speaker 2>try and make cheap jokes at their expense, but this

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<v Speaker 2>time I'm just going to say I'm grateful to have

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<v Speaker 2>you both here. Let's lead off with the silver Fox. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a slight compliment there or trolling. I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Pete wolf Camp the resident build to get a Pete.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you?

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<v Speaker 4>Greetings?

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<v Speaker 2>You are? You are looking relaxed And I was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>say her suit as well, just because you've got just

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, I'm growing out my winter beard's quite nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you grow a beard for winter?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>It's warmer. Really wouldn't you do? It does actually suit

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<v Speaker 2>you to the extent. I was thinking, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what you look like without a beard now, because it

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<v Speaker 2>looks like it just belongs. Thank you. You look good.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel that it belongs.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a transplant.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you see that story about men getting beard transplants?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, no day. Let's let's save that for

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<v Speaker 2>our science talks. We've got transplant talk coming up a

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<v Speaker 2>bit later on topic. Yes and equally say equally his suits.

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<v Speaker 5>But anyway, I'm also going out my winter beer.

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<v Speaker 1>You are?

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<v Speaker 2>You are a lovely set of curls there, Joe McCall,

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<v Speaker 2>editor at New Zealand Gardener, How are you going?

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<v Speaker 5>Takety boo?

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<v Speaker 2>Tickety boo? That's a good one. I don't know where

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<v Speaker 2>that Where does that come from? Is that a Victorian expression?

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<v Speaker 2>I love it?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know. I just think it sums up my

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<v Speaker 5>state of mind at this moment.

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<v Speaker 2>And actually, I mean, we did have some wet weather

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<v Speaker 2>last week, but we have actually had weeks of pretty

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<v Speaker 2>magnificent weather. And look at the weather here in Auckland.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully it's not bad. W You are beautiful. Love a

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<v Speaker 2>lovely autumn day, don't you?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh? I love this time of year, cool night, sunny days.

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<v Speaker 2>What does it mean to your garden?

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<v Speaker 5>The gard Oh, there's so much to do. It's such a.

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<v Speaker 4>Wonderful ground is still rock.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh the ground struve. We had that rain the other day,

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<v Speaker 5>so you know you're going to get a bit more

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<v Speaker 5>moisture over autumn hopefully.

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<v Speaker 2>The busiest season for the Keen garden.

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<v Speaker 5>It just never stops, tim But would you want it

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<v Speaker 5>to stop?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess in terms of food eating, growing things to eat,

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<v Speaker 2>is it busy all around or are their particular seasons

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<v Speaker 2>like is it spuk?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I mean you're coming into a quieter time of year,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, quiet more time to read New Zealand Gardener,

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<v Speaker 5>I say, but yeah, no, the busy planting of spring

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<v Speaker 5>and summer.

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<v Speaker 2>We're got to top season. We're going to touch on

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<v Speaker 2>one of the stories you've got actually in the New

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<v Speaker 2>Zealand Gardener just later on because it ties into one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things we're talking about. But let's get into

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<v Speaker 2>oh okay, let's do it tariff talk. Well, what was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Liberation Day became capitulation day, I think, and the tariffs

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<v Speaker 2>that we're sending the stock market into the spin where

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<v Speaker 2>we're pulled and he went back to still everyone's still

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<v Speaker 2>getting a ten percent tariff? Now what is it he's charging?

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has charged China still? I think now it's up

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<v Speaker 2>to one hundred and forty five, which I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that news is going to be quite bitten yet for

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<v Speaker 2>the stock markets. But when recovered, it's back China's I

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<v Speaker 2>think they're up to one hundred and twenty five percent

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<v Speaker 2>on US tariffs. Joe makes sense of it was all

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<v Speaker 2>for us. Thanks where you go, Oh.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't make sense. I mean you find yourself thinking,

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<v Speaker 5>is this is Trump has even me kind of doubting

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<v Speaker 5>reality now because you think is this planned? Is was

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<v Speaker 5>this intended? Is this capitulation? Will this be the point

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<v Speaker 5>where you've overreached yourself and you have to kind of

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<v Speaker 5>back down? But I feel like, you know, Trump's space,

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<v Speaker 5>He's he's created a reality now where he could say

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<v Speaker 5>the sky was green, you know, and they're going to

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<v Speaker 5>support him. So I don't know. I mean I would

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<v Speaker 5>say I think that you know, if it's China the America,

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<v Speaker 5>then what is it? America imports about four hundred and

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<v Speaker 5>forty billion products from and only experts about a quarter

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<v Speaker 5>of that. So you know, I don't think that the

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<v Speaker 5>loser is the consumer of the American consumer.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think we've seen that really start to

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<v Speaker 2>bite yet, although we see the stock market, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>having its connections and going up and down. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it went. I can't It is chaotic to get your

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<v Speaker 2>head around all the different issues, Pete, But what do

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<v Speaker 2>you make of it all on in a broad brush.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I've tried to as best I can, given

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<v Speaker 4>that it's obviously not my field of experience, to try

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<v Speaker 4>and get my head around, you know, what's behind the thinking.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I've actually gone out and tried to find

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<v Speaker 4>some podcasts from historians and economists talking about tariffs and

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<v Speaker 4>trying to understand it. And it does seem like he's

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<v Speaker 4>hooked into this loop of really old thinking because America

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<v Speaker 4>has tried to do tariffs in the past where it

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<v Speaker 4>goes and then that thinking that seems to be really

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<v Speaker 4>true for Trump is that I'm getting ripped off all

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<v Speaker 4>the time, that I can do a deal and we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to be better off. So the idea of a

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<v Speaker 4>tariff is that you know, somehow everything that we produce

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<v Speaker 4>is much better than what you produce, and that if

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<v Speaker 4>we buy something from you, you're ripping us off. That's

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<v Speaker 4>the that's the language he keeps using. Anything that comes

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<v Speaker 4>into the country, we're being ripped off for it. And

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<v Speaker 4>it might just be because what you make is not

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<v Speaker 4>particularly good or not particularly efficient or not particularly desirable.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, the twenty five percent tariff for the EU.

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<v Speaker 4>So the range rovers that people in Hollywood like driving,

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<v Speaker 4>and the Rolex watches that they like wearing, in the

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<v Speaker 4>French wine that they like drinking, all of that's going

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<v Speaker 4>to go out. Now, that's not going to affect the base.

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<v Speaker 4>But if he's doing what one hundred and twenty percent

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<v Speaker 4>plus tariffs on imported Chinese goods, which is what Joe

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<v Speaker 4>and Josephine Bloggs go and buy when they go to

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<v Speaker 4>Costco in Wisconsin, that's start that's going to start hurting,

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<v Speaker 4>right the four oh one case. I mean, we've all

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<v Speaker 4>done that exercise. We've looked at our key. We savor

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<v Speaker 4>to moralize.

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<v Speaker 2>By the looking at it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what, it's not a good thing to do.

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<v Speaker 4>I can issue you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the side effects is I think

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<v Speaker 2>people of people, a lot of people are doing a

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<v Speaker 2>crash course something economics because there's so much interesting information

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<v Speaker 2>about why tariffs work and how global trade works. I've

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<v Speaker 2>loved some of the memes. There are some great memes

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<v Speaker 2>where people have created they've basically taken images of Chinese

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<v Speaker 2>people working in an iPhone factory and they've put American

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<v Speaker 2>people who are you know, not specimens of the most physical,

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<v Speaker 2>not specimens of physical glory. And it's got I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's one of Elon Musk and Trump and JD. Vance all,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, trying to make the iPhones and highlighting the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that, like if the lesson along the lines is okay,

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<v Speaker 2>imagine if you did get iPhone manufacture, among other things

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<v Speaker 2>back to the States, Well, forget the tariffs. It's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be way more expensive because their lines production are

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<v Speaker 2>not as efficient as as otherwise.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that picks up on your point, Pete, is

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<v Speaker 5>that you know what problem is Trump trying to solve here,

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<v Speaker 5>and that the unemployment in America is at very low levels.

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<v Speaker 5>They're not this idea that you know, we're going to

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<v Speaker 5>bring it back to America. We're going to bring these

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<v Speaker 5>jobs back to America. I mean you're bringing in jobs

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<v Speaker 5>that are being done in another country for wages and

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<v Speaker 5>conditions that would not be tolerated by the American workforce.

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<v Speaker 5>And so there's a problem there. But that's not the

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<v Speaker 5>problem Trump solving, you know. So he's got this, Frank,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm speaking of crash course in economics. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 5>wish he would in fact enroll in a you know,

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<v Speaker 5>year one paper, because it's just this Frankenstein economic theory

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<v Speaker 5>that he's cobbled together, ignoring anything that he doesn't like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, and I mean there will still be those.

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<v Speaker 2>And you see Fox News trying to attribute some genius

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<v Speaker 2>to the madness, but it's just him doing things on

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<v Speaker 2>a web.

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<v Speaker 4>And going, Hey, the guy who's doing the whole Trump

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<v Speaker 4>things a certified moron.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Peter Navarro otherwise known as ron Vara, giving his

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<v Speaker 2>own testimony and stuff like that. Look, it does I

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<v Speaker 2>think that there was I read an article today about

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of what Trump does, there is a certain amount

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<v Speaker 2>of damage that he's been done full stop because the

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<v Speaker 2>tariffs are under a pause at the moment for ninety days.

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<v Speaker 2>But who knows what he's going to do when because

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<v Speaker 2>everything is on his whim. Yes, and he and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think any one of them. You can see what

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<v Speaker 2>the markets are doing, and in the end, regardless what

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<v Speaker 2>the markets do, the American consumer is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely hammered by this stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>And also, if you were you were making shoes and

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<v Speaker 5>you've been making them in China, would you bring your

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<v Speaker 5>production back to America? Given he just dropped the tariffs

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<v Speaker 5>on a whim. He took them back. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 5>you know, his actions are utterly unpredictable and often seem

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<v Speaker 5>to be absolutely against the state of goals he has made.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think you know that whole idea that well,

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<v Speaker 4>if we put the tariffs up, then it'll be more

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<v Speaker 4>attractive for people to manufacture these things back in wherever

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<v Speaker 4>in the States. But if you know it might cost

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<v Speaker 4>for fifteen years years time to build up a new

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<v Speaker 4>factory and tens of millions of dollars, you'll just sit

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<v Speaker 4>on your hands for the next three and a half

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<v Speaker 4>years to wait until he disappears and normal trends mission resumes,

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<v Speaker 4>in which case the entire economy just kind of sits

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<v Speaker 4>on its hands for the next couple of years.

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<v Speaker 5>Which is no good for anyone. I mean, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I would say it's either absolutely chaotic, it's a capitulation,

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<v Speaker 5>or his goal is to sew Mayhem, and that is

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<v Speaker 5>to create such what end just so you can create

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<v Speaker 5>such noise in the in the in the data that

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<v Speaker 5>you can just push the limits of what you can achieve.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently the thing that was the ice that tip the

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<v Speaker 2>tipped them back to getting rid of the terrace wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>actually so much the sheer market was the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>that looked like they've been a great big sell off

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<v Speaker 2>of government bonds, and that was something that made everyone

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<v Speaker 2>because so when that starts to happen, that means people

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<v Speaker 2>are losing faith in the solidity of the American system,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's really they suspect it was probably Japan and

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<v Speaker 2>China selling them off. But anyway, who knows what's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be up next. But as I say, there's so

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<v Speaker 2>many questions that come up with it. I can't keep

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<v Speaker 2>you literally.

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<v Speaker 5>Can't keep up in the hour we're on the weekend collective.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, yeah, yeah, well I think that Sleeps that

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<v Speaker 6>I found most useful was someone talking about his sort

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<v Speaker 6>of behavior being it's just a classic shakedown, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>that whole thing that I'm going to throw out these tariffs,

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<v Speaker 6>then people are going to come to me begging for

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<v Speaker 6>a deal.

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<v Speaker 4>And I feel really good about that. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>that display in the White House with Celenski, where you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the shouting and the pointing fingers and that you didn't

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<v Speaker 4>say think he just feels like a sort of standover

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<v Speaker 4>tactics of a bully.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I actually saw quite an interesting sort of way

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<v Speaker 5>of presenting this, which I think speaks to really a

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<v Speaker 5>point Pete, is that Trump doesn't really see the world

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<v Speaker 5>as there can be two winners in a situation. There's

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<v Speaker 5>a winner and a loser, and so he's like, you

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<v Speaker 5>have to be a loser for me to be a winner.

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<v Speaker 5>There can't be a mutually beneficial input export relationship. You

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<v Speaker 5>have to be the loser and we are the winners.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think there's something in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is worth checking out. The brilliant I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how they do it. It must just be AI. But

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<v Speaker 2>the penguins and the seals. Yes, on what's the name

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<v Speaker 2>of that? What are the name of those islands? The

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<v Speaker 2>Marshall was it? The McDonald I don't know, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>remember the name of them, but the Australian Territory where

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<v Speaker 2>they're taxic were.

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<v Speaker 4>Put basically just penguins.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's quite there's plenty of stuff to amuse

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<v Speaker 2>you on that stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>So he's also put tariffs on an island that's inhabited

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<v Speaker 4>inhabited only by American service personnel.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh bloody hell. Well, I still put it down to

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon. They did it with CGI, they said, hey

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<v Speaker 2>chat GPT. Yeah, yeah, anyway, anyway, look at the story

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<v Speaker 2>will continue to go. But it's just I think he's bonkers.

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<v Speaker 2>He's had a cognitive test, and you might know what's

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<v Speaker 2>blue and what's red. But in terms of any common sense,

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<v Speaker 2>comme out of the White House and nutty, let's move on,

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<v Speaker 2>shall we? Now? Of course that I mean, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>all part of it is part of the fact the

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<v Speaker 2>world does feel that we can't take the sort of

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<v Speaker 2>status quo of peaceful existence for granted as much. And

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<v Speaker 2>of course we've seen the government announced that it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be investing twelve billion over the next four years

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<v Speaker 2>for modern, compact combat capable and New Zealand Defense Force.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have a problem with us. I think we've

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<v Speaker 2>been underfunding the defense for a long time. Pete, I

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<v Speaker 2>tend to agree.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I've enjoyed the conversations around. You know, we

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<v Speaker 4>do need to be able to partake, We do need

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to stand alongside allies. I don't have

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<v Speaker 4>a great deal of time for the people that go, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>we should never have sold the Skyhawks. We need to

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<v Speaker 4>strike force. Those sorts of things. I can't see the

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<v Speaker 4>logical thinking behind that. But do we need to be

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<v Speaker 4>able to get people personnel to the other side of

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<v Speaker 4>the world quickly, efficiently and have them be able to

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<v Speaker 4>integrate into larger forces, Yes we do. Should they be

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<v Speaker 4>able to bring some of their own kit? Yes they

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<v Speaker 4>should so. Yeah, I think it's a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you reckon, Joe? Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>I have to say, I agree too. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 5>think we're getting the point. They're just going to bolt

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<v Speaker 5>a few torpedoes onto the new fairies. You know what

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<v Speaker 5>a brilliant code?

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<v Speaker 2>Now when you're off, no brilliant, No, no, no, we

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't talk about this anymore because that is brilliant. You've

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<v Speaker 2>probably given away a defense plan because who would suspect

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<v Speaker 2>that the Arahua could be so lethal?

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe the new role on roll off Fairies will be

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<v Speaker 4>able to load artillery into either end and a way.

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<v Speaker 2>You go, Oh my god, Joe, I think you've just

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<v Speaker 2>blown our plan because that is genius. It's like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>the key he is looking. They got this stupid ferry.

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell is that? Oh my god, abandon ship.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I would say we need a credible defense force,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and I don't think that should be a

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<v Speaker 5>strike force. I think, you know, but we do have

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<v Speaker 5>a role to play in the Pacific. I think we

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<v Speaker 5>have a role to plan disaster. I think we have

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<v Speaker 5>a role playing in the world. But I don't. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean it's so difficult, doesn't it, Because think, well,

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<v Speaker 5>there's so many areas are so underfunded. But then I think,

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<v Speaker 5>is this enough? You know, this just seems to bring

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<v Speaker 5>us back to sort of the underwhelming capacity of about

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<v Speaker 5>fifteen years ago. I don't think this puts anything into

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<v Speaker 5>wage increases.

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<v Speaker 4>No, apparently it's a different budget for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Although I think that the first I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>the wages are actually that bad when you first get

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<v Speaker 2>into the defense force. I think I'm not sure that's

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<v Speaker 2>the huge issue. They've got to upgrade the housing and

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of things. But there was a thought that

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<v Speaker 2>actually you would as you would just you guys were

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<v Speaker 2>both talking about this. I suddenly thought the other aspect

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<v Speaker 2>of this is is when you look at the mistakes

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<v Speaker 2>that we've seen, the man and minuither left the auto

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<v Speaker 2>pilot on it, and there was a question whether it

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<v Speaker 2>be unfair or not of the competency of people who

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<v Speaker 2>are in charge at the moment. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>one of the big important things is if you we've

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<v Speaker 2>sent its message not only that we're going to do

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<v Speaker 2>our part internationally, but we've also sent this message to

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who's thinking of joining the defense Force that you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, you're going to have more than just a

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<v Speaker 2>slingshot and a couple of rubber bands. You know, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to equip you properly. And it restores I hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>that there's a part of it that restores this confidences like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>look the career you can have here. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have great kit for you. This is what you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be doing, and you're going to be supported by

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<v Speaker 2>being well equipped. And because I think that's a massive thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I do too. I think that. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not saying this is the reason behind those sorts of

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<v Speaker 5>problems that we've had or you know, issues and errors,

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<v Speaker 5>but you do think that sort of erosion of MANA

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<v Speaker 5>is not nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And we can only go for so long by saying, well,

0:17:10.841 --> 0:17:13.641
<v Speaker 2>we've got great personal assays amazing. It's like, well, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what's the kit like? And I think Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing wrong with a bit of good kid, is there, Pete.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, do you go past everyn and again you

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<v Speaker 2>see some sort of new set of tools and you're like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm going to have to have that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I'll tell you what today, just sit by

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<v Speaker 4>the by. It's a very satisfying moment for me. Is

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<v Speaker 4>I pulled out it's called a little rebate plane, which

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<v Speaker 4>is an old fashioned thing which I've had for a

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<v Speaker 4>number of years. It's probably sixty or seventy years old,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe even older than that, and I keep it partly

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<v Speaker 4>for the historicity of it. But I used it today

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<v Speaker 4>and it worked beautifully. And the sense of satisfaction of

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<v Speaker 4>using something that's that old that still performs today was

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<v Speaker 4>just tremendous.

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<v Speaker 5>It sounds like you should join the defense on that front,

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<v Speaker 5>could use some of the old kits.

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<v Speaker 2>On that front. Just before you out of the break,

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<v Speaker 2>we had a leak in a hot water cylinder, a

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<v Speaker 2>catastrophic one, and so we've and it was ruined my night,

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<v Speaker 2>but anyway, it wasn't. It was a lone use evening

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<v Speaker 2>for talkback, right, And I just mentioned I said, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, I've had a really crappy sort of evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Leading up to coming in here, I talked about the

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<v Speaker 2>water cylinder failing after ten years, which I that's not

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<v Speaker 2>which is not good.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you have a tray under it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but it wasn't it was it wasn't plumbed to anything. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it would stop the old leak, but yeah, it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And so anyway, I've got a new plumber. He's not

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<v Speaker 2>a brilliant He's done a brilliant job. And I've got

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<v Speaker 2>a good tank. But the funny thing was, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>make them like they used to. I had calls from

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<v Speaker 2>people are like, I've still got the same tank that

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<v Speaker 2>we put it in nineteen sixty five, and I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I get stuffed.

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<v Speaker 4>It might be something to do with the water.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, seriously, let's explore that in the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we'll be back. We're going to be back talking

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<v Speaker 2>about We've got lots of things to talk about, genetic

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<v Speaker 2>modification and the amazing potential of science and the first

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<v Speaker 2>ever baby born by can you believe it, a womb transplant.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to be talking about that and other things,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as should we bring back the dire wolf.

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<v Speaker 2>Have they twenty five pars three new storks? He'd be

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<v Speaker 2>in the drown Nice welcome back through the Weekend Collective.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the panel with Pete wolf Camp and Joe McCarroll.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Tim Beveridge and a bit of hungry like the wolf.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, it's going to tie to a topic we've

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<v Speaker 2>got not too far away from here about the what

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<v Speaker 2>science count and can't do when it comes to bringing

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<v Speaker 2>back extinct species. But at first, guys, this this amazing

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<v Speaker 2>story about what science can do to make a transformational

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<v Speaker 2>changes in people's lives. So they're a woman who was

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<v Speaker 2>when she was a teenager, she was diagnosed with a

0:20:02.921 --> 0:20:06.681
<v Speaker 2>rare condition she didn't have a woman slash uterus, and

0:20:07.361 --> 0:20:11.601
<v Speaker 2>she had a transplant of a womb in twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>her sister's womb, and she has recently given birth to

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<v Speaker 2>a daughter. And I just find this it's mind blowing

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<v Speaker 2>what medicine can do. And I don't know, it just

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<v Speaker 2>blows me away, and a lovely story. Imagine a very

0:20:29.081 --> 0:20:32.001
<v Speaker 2>special child for that couple. But it is what do

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<v Speaker 2>you reckon, Joe? It's pretty phenomenal stuff, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, look I'm kind of slightly torn on this. I

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<v Speaker 5>thought it was a very moving story. I certainly shed

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<v Speaker 5>a tear or two when I saw, you know, the

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<v Speaker 5>couple and the happy couple. And you know, I've got

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<v Speaker 5>friends who have really struggled with fertility, and I know

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<v Speaker 5>the pain of that. You know, and I've seen it.

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<v Speaker 5>So you think this is incredible, And I agree with you, Tim,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, the scientist and the surgeon and the you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the professor. I've worked on this for decades. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>this is the first ever baby born by woman transplant

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<v Speaker 5>in the UK. Think like it's happened internationally forever on

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<v Speaker 5>the UK, yes, But at the same time, I'm just

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<v Speaker 5>a bit I don't know. I mean, organ donation to

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<v Speaker 5>save a life, but is having children a right or

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<v Speaker 5>a privilege?

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<v Speaker 2>You do what you can to have them, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, But.

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<v Speaker 5>Then you're like, well do you draw the line at

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<v Speaker 5>trans women? Like I feel this is this is a

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<v Speaker 5>really complicated, potentially dangerous surgery. I don't know a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of money has gone into it. You wonder about equity issues.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like it's it's complicated while taking nothing away

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<v Speaker 5>from the joy of that family and wishing them nothing

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<v Speaker 5>but the best with their little girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, if you follow that argument through though,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think that because I was thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>that the health challenges that we've got globally and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But to me, I think we have to still, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got to do what we can with the expertise and

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<v Speaker 2>with pushing science because it all has a flow on

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<v Speaker 2>effect with what science can achieve. So probably the first

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<v Speaker 2>in vitro, you know, the first fertility treatments that we're

0:22:07.841 --> 0:22:09.521
<v Speaker 2>only available to people who coul afford it, but have

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<v Speaker 2>now become more broadly based and allow on more and

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<v Speaker 2>more people. And I don't know, I just like science.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like using the word trickle down because it's

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<v Speaker 2>a trigger for people on the economic side, but I

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<v Speaker 2>do like the trickle down of science that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the s edge. And I don't know, what do you think, Pete.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I agree with Joe and some of those concerns around,

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<v Speaker 4>you know how sort of like in that space just

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<v Speaker 4>because you can do it, should you. But at the

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<v Speaker 4>same time, there is something particularly poignant about this story

0:22:36.961 --> 0:22:39.801
<v Speaker 4>in the sense that it is a sister offering this

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<v Speaker 4>to her sister, and so it is two members of

0:22:43.561 --> 0:22:46.761
<v Speaker 4>the same family looking after each other, and you know,

0:22:47.041 --> 0:22:52.521
<v Speaker 4>such an incredibly rare condition as well, to have that

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity for childbirth denied because your body just missed out

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<v Speaker 4>on something at earth sort of thing. So I look,

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's heartwarming and it's incredible, and you know,

0:23:04.521 --> 0:23:07.361
<v Speaker 4>potentially these other things that can be learned as well

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<v Speaker 4>around transplant surgeries and that sort of thing out of it.

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<v Speaker 4>And look, I hope that they're very happy. I wonder

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<v Speaker 4>if they'll try for another child as well.

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<v Speaker 2>BlimE me, it just blows me away that it's one

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<v Speaker 2>thing to sort of use someone else's eggs and stuff,

0:23:18.441 --> 0:23:22.001
<v Speaker 2>but to actually transplant it's just what surgery, what they

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<v Speaker 2>can do surgically blows me away.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think you can take from this, look at

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<v Speaker 5>what happens. This is the best of human potential, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>when people work together and they can achieve these incredible things.

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<v Speaker 5>I absolutely do take that away from this as well.

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<v Speaker 5>But you think, what in the long term will this

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<v Speaker 5>looks like? Will people be able to just buy a

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<v Speaker 5>womb from someone?

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't sound I can't imagine that. Yeah, I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 2>this being a widespread sort of thing. But it does

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<v Speaker 2>sound yeah, well, well anyway time will tell.

0:23:55.841 --> 0:24:00.241
<v Speaker 4>Traditional well traditional modern route to this same outcome would

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<v Speaker 4>be a surrogate. But then you use which is not uncommon, not.

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<v Speaker 5>Uncommon and absolutely a wonderful thing and lots of occasions.

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<v Speaker 5>But again something perhaps you could say there can be

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<v Speaker 5>ethical issues around while again agreeing that that's a wonderful

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<v Speaker 5>route to a family for some people.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, speaking of ethical issues just because you can, you should. Okay, Look,

0:24:19.961 --> 0:24:22.601
<v Speaker 2>I say this cynically. They say die wolves are back. Now.

0:24:22.641 --> 0:24:24.961
<v Speaker 2>Die wolves became sort of famous again because the Game

0:24:25.001 --> 0:24:28.161
<v Speaker 2>of Thrones featured them. They've been extinct I think for

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<v Speaker 2>about twelve thousand years, and researchers have claimed that they've

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<v Speaker 2>brought back, they've de extincted a species, and it's a

0:24:35.641 --> 0:24:39.241
<v Speaker 2>company called a biotech company called Colossal Biosciences. They announced

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<v Speaker 2>that they've resurrected the dire wolf. Basically, out of the

0:24:42.441 --> 0:24:46.361
<v Speaker 2>forty thousand genes of a gray wolf, they've changed about

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen of them with traits of the die wolves. And

0:24:50.601 --> 0:24:53.361
<v Speaker 2>so they're saying that they're die wolves, but they're not.

0:24:53.401 --> 0:24:56.281
<v Speaker 2>They're basically genetically modified gray wolves. And I tell you

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<v Speaker 2>what if the die wolves supposed to be a greatly

0:24:58.321 --> 0:25:02.001
<v Speaker 2>threatened species. These things look cuddly and fluffy, look like

0:25:02.041 --> 0:25:02.761
<v Speaker 2>they'd be more like.

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<v Speaker 4>Other question what happens to these two when they grow up?

0:25:06.201 --> 0:25:06.921
<v Speaker 2>What are they going to do?

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<v Speaker 4>Keep them on a farm, let them.

0:25:08.881 --> 0:25:14.401
<v Speaker 2>In some undisclosed location thing. But look, I think there

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<v Speaker 2>has been a breakthrough in terms of what they can

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<v Speaker 2>do with genetic modification and tweaking genes, and that can

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<v Speaker 2>make a big difference to a whole lot of things.

0:25:20.001 --> 0:25:23.521
<v Speaker 2>And sure, but the dire wall fok, it's a bit

0:25:23.521 --> 0:25:25.761
<v Speaker 2>of fun that they're saying it's back. It's not. But

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think of the whole thing?

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<v Speaker 5>Joe Well, I back in the day before I started

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<v Speaker 5>editing New Zealand Governor, I used to do entertainment reporting

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<v Speaker 5>and I remember being taken to Australia by Discovery Channel

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<v Speaker 5>because there was some scientist who was going to bring

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<v Speaker 5>back the Tasmanian devil.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's something that's on the agenda for these guys. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And I believe Tasmani and tiger.

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<v Speaker 5>Tasmani, which is the yeah, actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Soupil by the way, fun fact.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think he might have actually perhaps completely lost

0:26:03.521 --> 0:26:05.521
<v Speaker 5>the plot and maybe ended up in press or something

0:26:05.561 --> 0:26:09.721
<v Speaker 5>like that. You know it was. I remember at that

0:26:09.801 --> 0:26:13.561
<v Speaker 5>time thinking this seems pretty weird. Yeah, I wonder if

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<v Speaker 5>we should put the same energy into working on the

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<v Speaker 5>species we still.

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<v Speaker 2>Have, well, possibly, although if they have been extinct. Is

0:26:20.801 --> 0:26:24.721
<v Speaker 2>there anything you'd like to see bring back? I would

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<v Speaker 2>love to see. I don't know if you get a

0:26:27.281 --> 0:26:29.921
<v Speaker 2>barbecue big enough to put it on. That would need

0:26:29.921 --> 0:26:33.641
<v Speaker 2>a specially large one to one of those one of it.

0:26:33.681 --> 0:26:35.161
<v Speaker 2>They taste like a bit so they don't taste that

0:26:35.161 --> 0:26:37.041
<v Speaker 2>flash anyway, not that we bring them.

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<v Speaker 5>Back to They've been extinct for several fellows.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to see one of our sports. Gane suggested,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's the hardest eagle, which, yes, I'd love

0:26:46.721 --> 0:26:51.521
<v Speaker 2>to see that back, although from a distance, but actually

0:26:51.561 --> 0:26:53.961
<v Speaker 2>I would. I just I'm more Jurassic Park baby. I

0:26:54.001 --> 0:26:55.521
<v Speaker 2>want to see that t rex. I want to see

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<v Speaker 2>what it looks like and what sounded makes.

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<v Speaker 5>One of my great friends. Her parents always had a

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<v Speaker 5>dream that there'd be so many This is not extinct yet,

0:27:02.121 --> 0:27:03.681
<v Speaker 5>but there'd be so many cacapo that could have one

0:27:03.681 --> 0:27:04.561
<v Speaker 5>in the garden.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, your guy, what ties back in the we discussed

0:27:08.961 --> 0:27:11.241
<v Speaker 2>this last week that the Northland's got so many kiwis.

0:27:11.521 --> 0:27:14.041
<v Speaker 2>It was that the film of these two kiwis having

0:27:14.041 --> 0:27:17.721
<v Speaker 2>a fight in someone's backyard, which is a lovely story

0:27:18.121 --> 0:27:19.761
<v Speaker 2>up north that the key we are doing so well.

0:27:20.161 --> 0:27:22.721
<v Speaker 2>But so what would you You've got a story about?

0:27:24.081 --> 0:27:26.921
<v Speaker 2>This is slightly related about your peach tree.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yes, this is something I've written about in the

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<v Speaker 5>Open is Ship, New Zealand gardener. I had an apricot

0:27:32.041 --> 0:27:34.641
<v Speaker 5>tree in my garden which I planted a long time ago,

0:27:34.721 --> 0:27:36.281
<v Speaker 5>and it never really did anything. It really just kind

0:27:36.281 --> 0:27:39.041
<v Speaker 5>of suld, never put never produced any apricots. Apricots are

0:27:39.041 --> 0:27:42.841
<v Speaker 5>pretty marginal in Auckland anyway, and I eventually had to

0:27:42.881 --> 0:27:44.601
<v Speaker 5>get access to get a tree down at the back

0:27:44.641 --> 0:27:46.121
<v Speaker 5>and so I thought, well, that tree has never done

0:27:46.121 --> 0:27:48.081
<v Speaker 5>a thing for me, and I chainsawed it down at

0:27:48.121 --> 0:27:50.201
<v Speaker 5>the base and then the rootstop was left in the

0:27:50.201 --> 0:27:52.201
<v Speaker 5>ground and it threw up some more growth, and of

0:27:52.201 --> 0:27:54.601
<v Speaker 5>course I should have changsawt that down, but I just was, well,

0:27:54.881 --> 0:27:57.281
<v Speaker 5>you know, I'll get at some point. But then it

0:27:57.361 --> 0:28:02.641
<v Speaker 5>started producing peaches and I was like what But I

0:28:02.681 --> 0:28:05.001
<v Speaker 5>worked it out, which I'm sure listeners are weeked to

0:28:05.121 --> 0:28:07.921
<v Speaker 5>already that the rootstock of my original gardener, and the

0:28:08.001 --> 0:28:11.201
<v Speaker 5>apricot was a golden queen peach. So as this crape

0:28:11.201 --> 0:28:14.401
<v Speaker 5>pricot it was an absolute dud. But as a peach

0:28:14.481 --> 0:28:14.881
<v Speaker 5>it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah. And let's face it, I mean, apricots so overrated.

0:28:20.001 --> 0:28:21.161
<v Speaker 2>But give me a peach any day.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, oh no, no apricot, that's a hell all die on,

0:28:24.001 --> 0:28:25.961
<v Speaker 5>I love and you've got to go to the South

0:28:25.961 --> 0:28:26.561
<v Speaker 5>Island for them.

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<v Speaker 2>There's absolutely I have never rated apricots because you have

0:28:30.921 --> 0:28:32.561
<v Speaker 2>a peach and then you have an apricot and you go,

0:28:32.641 --> 0:28:34.161
<v Speaker 2>why am I waste more time with the apricots?

0:28:34.281 --> 0:28:38.161
<v Speaker 5>Peach just queen of fruit, best fruit of all.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, big clane, more controversial.

0:28:42.481 --> 0:28:47.881
<v Speaker 5>More park variety for choice. Anyone listening in the South.

0:28:48.321 --> 0:28:52.041
<v Speaker 2>Text on nine nine two apricots suck and peaches are amazing.

0:28:52.561 --> 0:28:55.921
<v Speaker 2>Whichever your view is said, both the same for you

0:28:55.961 --> 0:28:59.761
<v Speaker 2>actually anyway, Hey, look, speaking of things and ge and

0:28:59.801 --> 0:29:01.761
<v Speaker 2>cloning and all sorts of things, there's someone who's not

0:29:01.761 --> 0:29:03.961
<v Speaker 2>going to be need to be cloned because he's going

0:29:04.001 --> 0:29:06.841
<v Speaker 2>to live forever. And we're talking about Winston up next.

0:29:06.881 --> 0:29:12.041
<v Speaker 2>He's turned eighty sun.

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<v Speaker 3>Myself week, Yes, Welcome back to the Weekend Collective.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the panel. Joe mccarell and Pete wolf Camp. Ah,

0:29:28.561 --> 0:29:34.081
<v Speaker 2>my panels. I'm Tim Beverage and guys, look, Winnie Peters.

0:29:34.321 --> 0:29:39.321
<v Speaker 2>Winston Peters. He has turned eighty. He's been in politics

0:29:39.361 --> 0:29:41.841
<v Speaker 2>for fifty years. He's been in, he's been out, he's

0:29:41.841 --> 0:29:45.641
<v Speaker 2>been up and down, and he's now Minister of Foreign

0:29:45.681 --> 0:29:48.841
<v Speaker 2>Affairs and he's been deptly Prime Minister. And I can't

0:29:48.881 --> 0:29:53.001
<v Speaker 2>see Winston Peters feels like he's going to be around forever,

0:29:53.041 --> 0:29:53.321
<v Speaker 2>doesn't he.

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<v Speaker 4>Pete, there is an election next year, and you kind

0:29:58.001 --> 0:29:59.601
<v Speaker 4>of go, would that be a great time to go

0:29:59.681 --> 0:30:01.601
<v Speaker 4>out on top or do you think he'd stick around?

0:30:01.801 --> 0:30:06.201
<v Speaker 2>He's going to stick around. Yeah, there's no way he's

0:30:06.241 --> 0:30:07.601
<v Speaker 2>departing politics. Joe.

0:30:07.881 --> 0:30:10.321
<v Speaker 5>I don't think he's departing politics. So, I mean he's

0:30:10.361 --> 0:30:14.361
<v Speaker 5>been you know, over those fifty years, he's done a

0:30:14.401 --> 0:30:16.721
<v Speaker 5>mixed bag of things. I'd say, you know, he's held

0:30:16.761 --> 0:30:19.761
<v Speaker 5>the government to account on numerous occasions. I think he's

0:30:19.761 --> 0:30:22.801
<v Speaker 5>got very sharp political antennae. But I would say he

0:30:22.841 --> 0:30:26.001
<v Speaker 5>should use his gold card to get the bus home

0:30:26.801 --> 0:30:29.561
<v Speaker 5>and maybe take the imported culture war. He's desperately trying

0:30:29.601 --> 0:30:32.881
<v Speaker 5>to incite with him because yeah, I'm I'm you know,

0:30:32.881 --> 0:30:34.081
<v Speaker 5>I wish him a happy birthday.

0:30:34.321 --> 0:30:37.321
<v Speaker 2>But I think he's a pretty good foreign minister, though,

0:30:37.441 --> 0:30:39.281
<v Speaker 2>what did you say? I mean, regardless of whether you're

0:30:39.321 --> 0:30:42.641
<v Speaker 2>like see, there's there's two versions of Winston Peter's. There's

0:30:42.721 --> 0:30:45.161
<v Speaker 2>the version that I loathed in the campaign, who is

0:30:45.201 --> 0:30:47.641
<v Speaker 2>the populist who seemed to be just courting votes wherever

0:30:47.641 --> 0:30:49.241
<v Speaker 2>he could find them, and I don't know whether it

0:30:49.321 --> 0:30:51.081
<v Speaker 2>really aligned to what he thought or just where he

0:30:51.081 --> 0:30:53.361
<v Speaker 2>thought there were votes to be harvested. And then there's

0:30:53.401 --> 0:30:56.841
<v Speaker 2>the Winston Peters once he's in, who is actually as

0:30:56.881 --> 0:30:59.961
<v Speaker 2>a foreign minister, I think he's one of the I

0:31:00.001 --> 0:31:01.921
<v Speaker 2>think he's probably one of the best we've ever had.

0:31:02.401 --> 0:31:07.961
<v Speaker 2>And so he's two different people politicing Winston and then

0:31:08.001 --> 0:31:12.681
<v Speaker 2>there's statesman Winston and they're like two different people one

0:31:13.001 --> 0:31:15.961
<v Speaker 2>he uses one to become the other. And I can't

0:31:16.001 --> 0:31:18.281
<v Speaker 2>work out where I can't work out how I feel

0:31:18.321 --> 0:31:19.401
<v Speaker 2>about it. What do you think, Pete?

0:31:20.361 --> 0:31:22.401
<v Speaker 4>Look, I think the fact that he's out there doing

0:31:22.441 --> 0:31:24.481
<v Speaker 4>a really good job at the moment, and I don't

0:31:24.521 --> 0:31:26.881
<v Speaker 4>know that too many people would disagree with that the

0:31:26.921 --> 0:31:29.921
<v Speaker 4>fact that he's out there traveling, talking to people, being

0:31:29.961 --> 0:31:32.201
<v Speaker 4>face to face, going up to the islands now with

0:31:32.201 --> 0:31:34.601
<v Speaker 4>a cross party group, you know, those sorts of things.

0:31:34.641 --> 0:31:38.561
<v Speaker 4>That's refreshing given the attitude to sort of travel from

0:31:38.601 --> 0:31:42.641
<v Speaker 4>the previous foreign minister. So yeah, from that point of view,

0:31:42.641 --> 0:31:43.801
<v Speaker 4>he's also have you met.

0:31:43.761 --> 0:31:47.161
<v Speaker 2>Him, No, I've interviewed him a few times. Oh yes,

0:31:47.201 --> 0:31:49.921
<v Speaker 2>I have met him because I hosted a political debate

0:31:50.001 --> 0:31:54.881
<v Speaker 2>once from the North Harbor Business Association stuff and oh

0:31:54.961 --> 0:31:57.001
<v Speaker 2>no he was Was he the one that I can't

0:31:57.041 --> 0:31:57.681
<v Speaker 2>remember who was there?

0:31:57.721 --> 0:31:59.401
<v Speaker 4>He failed? Did you were doing it?

0:31:59.441 --> 0:32:00.161
<v Speaker 2>And took off that?

0:32:00.641 --> 0:32:04.721
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I was in a lecture hall at university about

0:32:05.121 --> 0:32:09.721
<v Speaker 4>Shiver was thirty something years ago, and he came out

0:32:09.761 --> 0:32:12.201
<v Speaker 4>and caught my eye and sort of and he's a

0:32:12.281 --> 0:32:15.761
<v Speaker 4>remarkable you know, thirty years ago is a remarkably charismatic figure.

0:32:15.801 --> 0:32:18.161
<v Speaker 4>And it's one of those encounters that I've never really forgotten.

0:32:18.201 --> 0:32:21.961
<v Speaker 4>So he certainly has the power of personality what he

0:32:22.041 --> 0:32:22.921
<v Speaker 4>chooses to do with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, and well here's the thing, Joe, you see putting

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<v Speaker 2>aside the politics, I think there's another really good thing

0:32:28.121 --> 0:32:32.041
<v Speaker 2>about this. So often we hear this sixty five in

0:32:32.121 --> 0:32:34.121
<v Speaker 2>a retirement age, in that sort of thing, and the

0:32:34.201 --> 0:32:36.961
<v Speaker 2>example of whether or not you agree with his politics,

0:32:36.961 --> 0:32:39.521
<v Speaker 2>the example that he's a guy who clearly has a purpose.

0:32:39.881 --> 0:32:42.281
<v Speaker 2>He still has, mean a reason to get out of bed.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was thinking that that is a great lesson

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<v Speaker 2>to anyone, regardless of what your age is, is a

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<v Speaker 2>view is keeping a purpose and a reason for doing whatever.

0:32:51.441 --> 0:32:53.841
<v Speaker 2>And the idea that you should retire or you don't

0:32:53.841 --> 0:32:55.721
<v Speaker 2>have anything to contribute when you're beyond the age of

0:32:55.761 --> 0:32:58.961
<v Speaker 2>sixty five, seventy, whatever it is, I think is getting

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<v Speaker 2>pushed to the sideline.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I think it's literally disenfranchising people to say,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, oh well, once you're at this age contribution

0:33:05.801 --> 0:33:08.521
<v Speaker 5>as mood, I think, you know, our parliament should be

0:33:08.561 --> 0:33:12.921
<v Speaker 5>representative and therefore there should be people who represent the

0:33:12.961 --> 0:33:15.601
<v Speaker 5>interests of older adults. Yeah, I think, you know, people

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<v Speaker 5>make people make a contribution at all ages and stages.

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<v Speaker 5>But but yeah, yeah, politically I would.

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<v Speaker 2>Say you're going to vote from next election, then.

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<v Speaker 5>I won't be voting.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a big part of the gold card establishment, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>And so I remember my dad used to think, I've

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<v Speaker 4>got a vote for Froim every time because he gave me

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<v Speaker 4>the gold card.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. Actually, one of the questions I asked

0:33:40.481 --> 0:33:43.721
<v Speaker 2>him in my last interviewed him was after when the

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<v Speaker 2>protests were at a State of the Nation address, and

0:33:47.001 --> 0:33:49.961
<v Speaker 2>I thought to myself, I reckon, he loves the protesters.

0:33:50.001 --> 0:33:51.521
<v Speaker 2>And I just said to him, I don't want to

0:33:51.521 --> 0:33:53.801
<v Speaker 2>ask a sort of cheeky question, but is there a

0:33:53.801 --> 0:33:55.161
<v Speaker 2>part of you that really, when it comes to the

0:33:55.161 --> 0:33:58.121
<v Speaker 2>cut and thrust, you actually love it when somebody stands

0:33:58.121 --> 0:33:59.961
<v Speaker 2>and makes the scene. You love the protesters, don't you?

0:34:00.001 --> 0:34:01.961
<v Speaker 2>And he just laughed and said, yeah, I love it,

0:34:03.441 --> 0:34:03.641
<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 5>But I must say it's not what I want for

0:34:05.521 --> 0:34:07.881
<v Speaker 5>my eighties, you know what I mean? Like, I mean

0:34:07.921 --> 0:34:09.881
<v Speaker 5>fair enough to keep working, fair enough to keep making

0:34:09.921 --> 0:34:14.161
<v Speaker 5>a contribution, but the idea of continuing in a job

0:34:14.201 --> 0:34:17.841
<v Speaker 5>which where the office politics are just guaranteed because it's politics,

0:34:17.881 --> 0:34:18.441
<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon that I'm going to open the copy of

0:34:22.041 --> 0:34:24.601
<v Speaker 2>the New Zealand Garden magazine if I'm still alive and

0:34:24.841 --> 0:34:29.521
<v Speaker 2>in about forty years time, and is still I thought

0:34:29.521 --> 0:34:33.481
<v Speaker 2>she said she was going to give it up anyway,

0:34:33.721 --> 0:34:36.281
<v Speaker 2>just quickly on the just tying on into that this

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<v Speaker 2>is a New Zealand first thing about the government being instructed,

0:34:40.881 --> 0:34:43.961
<v Speaker 2>government agencies being instructed when it comes to construction of

0:34:44.001 --> 0:34:47.721
<v Speaker 2>government buildings to do it with wool, have wool carpet

0:34:47.761 --> 0:34:50.281
<v Speaker 2>and things. And initially I was sort of like, well,

0:34:50.401 --> 0:34:52.921
<v Speaker 2>aren't we about a cost saving and going for you

0:34:52.921 --> 0:34:56.881
<v Speaker 2>know whatever, But it's I guess we are a wool

0:34:56.881 --> 0:34:59.961
<v Speaker 2>producing nation. We do it very well. And I will

0:34:59.961 --> 0:35:02.001
<v Speaker 2>ask the builder first. I think you'll have a hot

0:35:02.041 --> 0:35:04.561
<v Speaker 2>take on this, because there are all sorts of innovations

0:35:04.601 --> 0:35:08.881
<v Speaker 2>with with natural modern materials, will of hamp all sorts

0:35:08.881 --> 0:35:09.161
<v Speaker 2>of things.

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<v Speaker 4>The really interesting well, one of the interesting things was

0:35:11.281 --> 0:35:13.041
<v Speaker 4>as soon as that got over the line, then the

0:35:13.161 --> 0:35:16.601
<v Speaker 4>Timber Association we're knocking on the door going out of

0:35:16.601 --> 0:35:20.641
<v Speaker 4>the part going hey, look you know what about us? Right,

0:35:22.481 --> 0:35:24.841
<v Speaker 4>But it is such a fine line too, because you

0:35:24.841 --> 0:35:29.121
<v Speaker 4>can see where a directive from central government to industry

0:35:29.241 --> 0:35:31.881
<v Speaker 4>that we want to use these products or promote the

0:35:31.961 --> 0:35:35.321
<v Speaker 4>use of these products can lead to a certain complacency

0:35:35.641 --> 0:35:40.841
<v Speaker 4>and essentially getting ripped off. Right, So there is a

0:35:40.881 --> 0:35:43.201
<v Speaker 4>part of government where we want them to be effective

0:35:43.641 --> 0:35:47.561
<v Speaker 4>and cost efficient, but at the same time it's a

0:35:47.761 --> 0:35:51.121
<v Speaker 4>fantastic opportunity. I think what really got the wool growers

0:35:51.241 --> 0:35:54.081
<v Speaker 4>upset is that there was a directive from some minion

0:35:54.121 --> 0:35:56.881
<v Speaker 4>in the government that just mean, you can't consider wall carpet.

0:35:57.121 --> 0:35:59.041
<v Speaker 4>So even if you wanted it as a school, you

0:35:59.121 --> 0:36:02.041
<v Speaker 4>weren't allowed to choose it. And they were saying, well, look,

0:36:02.081 --> 0:36:04.241
<v Speaker 4>we think we should be in the mix in terms

0:36:04.281 --> 0:36:08.081
<v Speaker 4>of having some choice. So and there are huge benefits,

0:36:08.121 --> 0:36:10.561
<v Speaker 4>and look from a cost point of view, you go,

0:36:10.921 --> 0:36:13.161
<v Speaker 4>let's say it's I don't know, ten percent more expensive

0:36:13.201 --> 0:36:17.001
<v Speaker 4>to use wool, but it supports an entire industry. In

0:36:17.041 --> 0:36:19.921
<v Speaker 4>my mind, that's that's good use of taxpayers money.

0:36:20.121 --> 0:36:21.361
<v Speaker 2>What about you, Joe.

0:36:21.081 --> 0:36:24.441
<v Speaker 5>Oh, I mean my grandparents farmed in the money at Toto,

0:36:24.481 --> 0:36:26.321
<v Speaker 5>you know, I'm from a wall family. I think it

0:36:26.361 --> 0:36:30.761
<v Speaker 5>was absolutely bananas that we were not including wool in

0:36:30.761 --> 0:36:34.761
<v Speaker 5>the mix and really seeing the advantages of this incredible

0:36:34.881 --> 0:36:38.281
<v Speaker 5>natural fiber which we produce locally, which you know has

0:36:38.321 --> 0:36:41.881
<v Speaker 5>so many downstream environmental benefits, and favoring synthetic carpets in

0:36:41.921 --> 0:36:44.561
<v Speaker 5>terms of the microplastics they're going to introduce into into

0:36:44.601 --> 0:36:48.041
<v Speaker 5>the system which we live. I think it's bananas that

0:36:48.041 --> 0:36:52.361
<v Speaker 5>that was ever, just even that was a problem that

0:36:52.401 --> 0:36:55.321
<v Speaker 5>we had because I think wool is an incredible fiber

0:36:55.641 --> 0:36:57.881
<v Speaker 5>and we should be looking for ways to use it

0:36:57.921 --> 0:36:59.521
<v Speaker 5>because we are so ideally.

0:36:59.121 --> 0:37:01.121
<v Speaker 2>Set up it'll be nice for consumers. I guess if

0:37:01.121 --> 0:37:03.281
<v Speaker 2>what was more competitive, because we're looking at getting new

0:37:03.401 --> 0:37:06.041
<v Speaker 2>new carpet, and I'll be honest, we're not getting wool

0:37:06.121 --> 0:37:08.481
<v Speaker 2>unless I can find some miraculous steel which gives me

0:37:08.521 --> 0:37:10.641
<v Speaker 2>something that I can rely on, fading wise and all

0:37:10.681 --> 0:37:13.081
<v Speaker 2>that and cost wise. Because it's just so it's nice,

0:37:13.121 --> 0:37:15.801
<v Speaker 2>the government can do it, but still it's I think

0:37:15.801 --> 0:37:18.241
<v Speaker 2>it's still a bit of luxury product for some people.

0:37:18.281 --> 0:37:19.961
<v Speaker 5>But then at the same time, if we are supporting

0:37:19.961 --> 0:37:24.041
<v Speaker 5>that industry, then that industry will become more accessible to consumers,

0:37:24.041 --> 0:37:26.401
<v Speaker 5>which you know, the industry has to exist for us

0:37:26.401 --> 0:37:28.161
<v Speaker 5>to be able to afford the products that they create.

0:37:28.481 --> 0:37:30.961
<v Speaker 4>And I think too, there is that consumer consciousness right

0:37:31.001 --> 0:37:34.321
<v Speaker 4>that as consumers, if we're in a position to buy

0:37:34.601 --> 0:37:37.761
<v Speaker 4>with a certain consideration for the impact of the product

0:37:37.761 --> 0:37:40.441
<v Speaker 4>that we're buying, and we're in a position to do that,

0:37:41.081 --> 0:37:46.241
<v Speaker 4>then I think it's it's our moral responsibility to do

0:37:46.321 --> 0:37:48.481
<v Speaker 4>the right thing in terms of what we purchase. So

0:37:49.001 --> 0:37:52.041
<v Speaker 4>you know, if purchasing wool carpet is a better choice

0:37:52.241 --> 0:37:54.521
<v Speaker 4>then and you can make that choice maybe.

0:37:54.561 --> 0:37:56.761
<v Speaker 2>About the life of my fair lady principals Governor, now

0:37:56.761 --> 0:37:59.801
<v Speaker 2>I can't afford them. Yeah, I use that all the time.

0:38:02.561 --> 0:38:05.321
<v Speaker 2>We could get onto the EVS where all those other countries,

0:38:05.361 --> 0:38:07.681
<v Speaker 2>but I haven't set that for discussion where they decided

0:38:07.681 --> 0:38:10.481
<v Speaker 2>it was actually dirtier because they're being fueled by fossil fields.

0:38:10.481 --> 0:38:12.361
<v Speaker 2>But that's for another day because we're going to come

0:38:12.361 --> 0:38:15.401
<v Speaker 2>back and talk about blokes in their undies. This is

0:38:15.481 --> 0:38:18.361
<v Speaker 2>news Talk, said b It is nine minutes before. Yes,

0:38:18.441 --> 0:38:21.081
<v Speaker 2>welcome back to news Talks, said be. Joe McCarrell and

0:38:21.081 --> 0:38:24.361
<v Speaker 2>Pete wolf Camp. Now, the last story is there's there's been. Look,

0:38:24.401 --> 0:38:27.241
<v Speaker 2>it's probably not really a big controversy that's excited people,

0:38:27.241 --> 0:38:33.001
<v Speaker 2>but Robert Irwin, who's the son of the Steve Irwin,

0:38:33.481 --> 0:38:37.001
<v Speaker 2>he's featured in a Bonds commercial. It's a viral underwear

0:38:37.041 --> 0:38:40.121
<v Speaker 2>photo shoot and it has had some people going, well,

0:38:40.161 --> 0:38:43.841
<v Speaker 2>hang on a minute. Is that there was a woman

0:38:43.881 --> 0:38:46.321
<v Speaker 2>who was the host of a two GB and she

0:38:46.561 --> 0:38:49.681
<v Speaker 2>was basically expressing outrage that there is a double standard

0:38:50.001 --> 0:38:52.641
<v Speaker 2>that I have an issue with comments that are around

0:38:52.641 --> 0:38:56.041
<v Speaker 2>his photo that in the pursuit of gender equality, how

0:38:56.041 --> 0:38:58.721
<v Speaker 2>it's appalling for men to objectify women. Why is it

0:38:58.761 --> 0:39:02.841
<v Speaker 2>okay by today's standards to objectify men? Speaking as a man,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mind being objectified, do you people?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure I go that far, but I I

0:39:08.801 --> 0:39:11.001
<v Speaker 4>find it hard to figure out what the controversy is here.

0:39:11.081 --> 0:39:12.921
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I get it in the sense that the

0:39:12.961 --> 0:39:15.321
<v Speaker 4>idea is that we don't just look at each other

0:39:15.401 --> 0:39:19.921
<v Speaker 4>as some sort of object hence the objectification. But at

0:39:19.921 --> 0:39:22.361
<v Speaker 4>the same time, you know, he's obviously gone out to

0:39:22.401 --> 0:39:24.921
<v Speaker 4>do this to get a reaction. He's got the reactions

0:39:24.921 --> 0:39:25.441
<v Speaker 4>that he wanted.

0:39:25.561 --> 0:39:26.961
<v Speaker 2>He's doing an advert campaign.

0:39:26.961 --> 0:39:27.481
<v Speaker 4>It's an ad.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm a bit questionable about the snake he's draped with.

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<v Speaker 4>He's an expert in that field.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wouldn't want to do it, But I mean,

0:39:35.081 --> 0:39:36.721
<v Speaker 2>is there a double standard? Do you think, Joe? And

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<v Speaker 2>does it matter?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think there. I mean it's one of those

0:39:40.441 --> 0:39:42.841
<v Speaker 5>things which is just such an Angels on the head

0:39:42.841 --> 0:39:44.481
<v Speaker 5>of the Penn kind of question, because I'm like, it's

0:39:44.521 --> 0:39:47.641
<v Speaker 5>not it's not the same. Frankly, you know, the way

0:39:47.681 --> 0:39:49.081
<v Speaker 5>women are treated in the world the way men are

0:39:49.081 --> 0:39:50.961
<v Speaker 5>treated in the world. It's just not the same. You know,

0:39:51.041 --> 0:39:54.601
<v Speaker 5>you can't say it's the same. And therefore, and I

0:39:54.641 --> 0:39:58.081
<v Speaker 5>don't think he's had those photos taken. I'm not objectifying him.

0:39:58.201 --> 0:39:59.841
<v Speaker 5>I'm a little uncomfortable with it, but I think of

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<v Speaker 5>him as being.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you look at him and go, he's a

0:40:03.561 --> 0:40:05.401
<v Speaker 2>bit of all right, and you said to one of

0:40:05.401 --> 0:40:07.961
<v Speaker 2>your colleagues or some gosh, look have you seen the robin. Gosh,

0:40:07.961 --> 0:40:11.161
<v Speaker 2>he's grant, what a spunk muffin. I don't think I

0:40:11.161 --> 0:40:13.481
<v Speaker 2>don't think there be any problem with that, whereas maybe.

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<v Speaker 4>Gyses that thing. I mean, I'm not around the office

0:40:17.521 --> 0:40:19.761
<v Speaker 4>cooller or the water cooler in an office or something

0:40:19.801 --> 0:40:22.201
<v Speaker 4>like that. But you know, if you imagine a group

0:40:22.201 --> 0:40:24.321
<v Speaker 4>of women steering at the photograph of him, going oh,

0:40:24.321 --> 0:40:25.681
<v Speaker 4>he's a bit of a hotty and all the rest

0:40:25.721 --> 0:40:27.241
<v Speaker 4>of it, and then if I was with a group

0:40:27.281 --> 0:40:29.361
<v Speaker 4>of mates doing the same, would I be.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Pete, I think it's about time we saw the

0:40:32.001 --> 0:40:33.921
<v Speaker 2>Pete warf camp Can and we can make that up

0:40:33.961 --> 0:40:36.681
<v Speaker 2>for ourselves. Hey, guys, time flies, we're having fun. Peate

0:40:36.681 --> 0:40:39.721
<v Speaker 2>wolf camp Jamen Can lovely to see you guys. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>be back shortly with the One Roof Radio show. Wi

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