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Speaker 2: there was a slight compliment there or trolling. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: It's Pete wolf Camp the resident build to get a Pete.
Speaker 3: How are you?
Speaker 4: Greetings?
Speaker 2: You are? You are looking relaxed And I was gonna
Speaker 2: say her suit as well, just because you've got just
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I'm growing out my winter beard's quite nice.
Speaker 2: Do you grow a beard for winter?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It's warmer. Really wouldn't you do? It does actually suit
Speaker 2: you to the extent. I was thinking, I don't know
Speaker 2: what you look like without a beard now, because it
Speaker 2: looks like it just belongs. Thank you. You look good.
Speaker 4: I feel that it belongs.
Speaker 2: It's not a transplant.
Speaker 4: Did you see that story about men getting beard transplants?
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, no day. Let's let's save that for
Speaker 2: our science talks. We've got transplant talk coming up a
Speaker 2: bit later on topic. Yes and equally say equally his suits.
Speaker 5: But anyway, I'm also going out my winter beer.
Speaker 1: You are?
Speaker 2: You are a lovely set of curls there, Joe McCall,
Speaker 2: editor at New Zealand Gardener, How are you going?
Speaker 5: Takety boo?
Speaker 2: Tickety boo? That's a good one. I don't know where
Speaker 2: that Where does that come from? Is that a Victorian expression?
Speaker 2: I love it?
Speaker 5: I don't know. I just think it sums up my
Speaker 5: state of mind at this moment.
Speaker 2: And actually, I mean, we did have some wet weather
Speaker 2: last week, but we have actually had weeks of pretty
Speaker 2: magnificent weather. And look at the weather here in Auckland.
Speaker 2: Hopefully it's not bad. W You are beautiful. Love a
Speaker 2: lovely autumn day, don't you?
Speaker 5: Oh? I love this time of year, cool night, sunny days.
Speaker 2: What does it mean to your garden?
Speaker 5: The gard Oh, there's so much to do. It's such a.
Speaker 4: Wonderful ground is still rock.
Speaker 5: Oh the ground struve. We had that rain the other day,
Speaker 5: so you know you're going to get a bit more
Speaker 5: moisture over autumn hopefully.
Speaker 2: The busiest season for the Keen garden.
Speaker 5: It just never stops, tim But would you want it
Speaker 5: to stop?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: I guess in terms of food eating, growing things to eat,
Speaker 2: is it busy all around or are their particular seasons
Speaker 2: like is it spuk?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean you're coming into a quieter time of year,
Speaker 5: you know, quiet more time to read New Zealand Gardener,
Speaker 5: I say, but yeah, no, the busy planting of spring
Speaker 5: and summer.
Speaker 2: We're got to top season. We're going to touch on
Speaker 2: one of the stories you've got actually in the New
Speaker 2: Zealand Gardener just later on because it ties into one
Speaker 2: of the things we're talking about. But let's get into
Speaker 2: oh okay, let's do it tariff talk. Well, what was it?
Speaker 2: Liberation Day became capitulation day, I think, and the tariffs
Speaker 2: that we're sending the stock market into the spin where
Speaker 2: we're pulled and he went back to still everyone's still
Speaker 2: getting a ten percent tariff? Now what is it he's charging?
Speaker 2: Trump has charged China still? I think now it's up
Speaker 2: to one hundred and forty five, which I don't think
Speaker 2: that news is going to be quite bitten yet for
Speaker 2: the stock markets. But when recovered, it's back China's I
Speaker 2: think they're up to one hundred and twenty five percent
Speaker 2: on US tariffs. Joe makes sense of it was all
Speaker 2: for us. Thanks where you go, Oh.
Speaker 5: It doesn't make sense. I mean you find yourself thinking,
Speaker 5: is this is Trump has even me kind of doubting
Speaker 5: reality now because you think is this planned? Is was
Speaker 5: this intended? Is this capitulation? Will this be the point
Speaker 5: where you've overreached yourself and you have to kind of
Speaker 5: back down? But I feel like, you know, Trump's space,
Speaker 5: He's he's created a reality now where he could say
Speaker 5: the sky was green, you know, and they're going to
Speaker 5: support him. So I don't know. I mean I would
Speaker 5: say I think that you know, if it's China the America,
Speaker 5: then what is it? America imports about four hundred and
Speaker 5: forty billion products from and only experts about a quarter
Speaker 5: of that. So you know, I don't think that the
Speaker 5: loser is the consumer of the American consumer.
Speaker 2: And I don't think we've seen that really start to
Speaker 2: bite yet, although we see the stock market, you know,
Speaker 2: having its connections and going up and down. I think
Speaker 2: it went. I can't It is chaotic to get your
Speaker 2: head around all the different issues, Pete, But what do
Speaker 2: you make of it all on in a broad brush.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've tried to as best I can, given
Speaker 4: that it's obviously not my field of experience, to try
Speaker 4: and get my head around, you know, what's behind the thinking.
Speaker 4: And so I've actually gone out and tried to find
Speaker 4: some podcasts from historians and economists talking about tariffs and
Speaker 4: trying to understand it. And it does seem like he's
Speaker 4: hooked into this loop of really old thinking because America
Speaker 4: has tried to do tariffs in the past where it
Speaker 4: goes and then that thinking that seems to be really
Speaker 4: true for Trump is that I'm getting ripped off all
Speaker 4: the time, that I can do a deal and we're
Speaker 4: going to be better off. So the idea of a
Speaker 4: tariff is that you know, somehow everything that we produce
Speaker 4: is much better than what you produce, and that if
Speaker 4: we buy something from you, you're ripping us off. That's
Speaker 4: the that's the language he keeps using. Anything that comes
Speaker 4: into the country, we're being ripped off for it. And
Speaker 4: it might just be because what you make is not
Speaker 4: particularly good or not particularly efficient or not particularly desirable.
Speaker 4: And you know, the twenty five percent tariff for the EU.
Speaker 4: So the range rovers that people in Hollywood like driving,
Speaker 4: and the Rolex watches that they like wearing, in the
Speaker 4: French wine that they like drinking, all of that's going
Speaker 4: to go out. Now, that's not going to affect the base.
Speaker 4: But if he's doing what one hundred and twenty percent
Speaker 4: plus tariffs on imported Chinese goods, which is what Joe
Speaker 4: and Josephine Bloggs go and buy when they go to
Speaker 4: Costco in Wisconsin, that's start that's going to start hurting,
Speaker 4: right the four oh one case. I mean, we've all
Speaker 4: done that exercise. We've looked at our key. We savor
Speaker 4: to moralize.
Speaker 2: By the looking at it.
Speaker 4: You know what, it's not a good thing to do.
Speaker 4: I can issue you.
Speaker 2: I think one of the side effects is I think
Speaker 2: people of people, a lot of people are doing a
Speaker 2: crash course something economics because there's so much interesting information
Speaker 2: about why tariffs work and how global trade works. I've
Speaker 2: loved some of the memes. There are some great memes
Speaker 2: where people have created they've basically taken images of Chinese
Speaker 2: people working in an iPhone factory and they've put American
Speaker 2: people who are you know, not specimens of the most physical,
Speaker 2: not specimens of physical glory. And it's got I think
Speaker 2: there's one of Elon Musk and Trump and JD. Vance all,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to make the iPhones and highlighting the
Speaker 2: fact that, like if the lesson along the lines is okay,
Speaker 2: imagine if you did get iPhone manufacture, among other things
Speaker 2: back to the States, Well, forget the tariffs. It's going
Speaker 2: to be way more expensive because their lines production are
Speaker 2: not as efficient as as otherwise.
Speaker 5: I think that picks up on your point, Pete, is
Speaker 5: that you know what problem is Trump trying to solve here,
Speaker 5: and that the unemployment in America is at very low levels.
Speaker 5: They're not this idea that you know, we're going to
Speaker 5: bring it back to America. We're going to bring these
Speaker 5: jobs back to America. I mean you're bringing in jobs
Speaker 5: that are being done in another country for wages and
Speaker 5: conditions that would not be tolerated by the American workforce.
Speaker 5: And so there's a problem there. But that's not the
Speaker 5: problem Trump solving, you know. So he's got this, Frank,
Speaker 5: I'm speaking of crash course in economics. I mean, you
Speaker 5: wish he would in fact enroll in a you know,
Speaker 5: year one paper, because it's just this Frankenstein economic theory
Speaker 5: that he's cobbled together, ignoring anything that he doesn't like.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I mean there will still be those.
Speaker 2: And you see Fox News trying to attribute some genius
Speaker 2: to the madness, but it's just him doing things on
Speaker 2: a web.
Speaker 4: And going, Hey, the guy who's doing the whole Trump
Speaker 4: things a certified moron.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Peter Navarro otherwise known as ron Vara, giving his
Speaker 2: own testimony and stuff like that. Look, it does I
Speaker 2: think that there was I read an article today about
Speaker 2: regardless of what Trump does, there is a certain amount
Speaker 2: of damage that he's been done full stop because the
Speaker 2: tariffs are under a pause at the moment for ninety days.
Speaker 2: But who knows what he's going to do when because
Speaker 2: everything is on his whim. Yes, and he and I
Speaker 2: don't think any one of them. You can see what
Speaker 2: the markets are doing, and in the end, regardless what
Speaker 2: the markets do, the American consumer is going to be
Speaker 2: absolutely hammered by this stuff.
Speaker 5: And also, if you were you were making shoes and
Speaker 5: you've been making them in China, would you bring your
Speaker 5: production back to America? Given he just dropped the tariffs
Speaker 5: on a whim. He took them back. You know, it's
Speaker 5: you know, his actions are utterly unpredictable and often seem
Speaker 5: to be absolutely against the state of goals he has made.
Speaker 4: And I think you know that whole idea that well,
Speaker 4: if we put the tariffs up, then it'll be more
Speaker 4: attractive for people to manufacture these things back in wherever
Speaker 4: in the States. But if you know it might cost
Speaker 4: for fifteen years years time to build up a new
Speaker 4: factory and tens of millions of dollars, you'll just sit
Speaker 4: on your hands for the next three and a half
Speaker 4: years to wait until he disappears and normal trends mission resumes,
Speaker 4: in which case the entire economy just kind of sits
Speaker 4: on its hands for the next couple of years.
Speaker 5: Which is no good for anyone. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I would say it's either absolutely chaotic, it's a capitulation,
Speaker 5: or his goal is to sew Mayhem, and that is
Speaker 5: to create such what end just so you can create
Speaker 5: such noise in the in the in the data that
Speaker 5: you can just push the limits of what you can achieve.
Speaker 2: Apparently the thing that was the ice that tip the
Speaker 2: tipped them back to getting rid of the terrace wasn't
Speaker 2: actually so much the sheer market was the fact that
Speaker 2: that looked like they've been a great big sell off
Speaker 2: of government bonds, and that was something that made everyone
Speaker 2: because so when that starts to happen, that means people
Speaker 2: are losing faith in the solidity of the American system,
Speaker 2: and that's really they suspect it was probably Japan and
Speaker 2: China selling them off. But anyway, who knows what's going
Speaker 2: to be up next. But as I say, there's so
Speaker 2: many questions that come up with it. I can't keep
Speaker 2: you literally.
Speaker 5: Can't keep up in the hour we're on the weekend collective.
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, yeah, well I think that Sleeps that
Speaker 6: I found most useful was someone talking about his sort
Speaker 6: of behavior being it's just a classic shakedown, you know,
Speaker 6: that whole thing that I'm going to throw out these tariffs,
Speaker 6: then people are going to come to me begging for
Speaker 6: a deal.
Speaker 4: And I feel really good about that. And I think
Speaker 4: that display in the White House with Celenski, where you know,
Speaker 4: the shouting and the pointing fingers and that you didn't
Speaker 4: say think he just feels like a sort of standover
Speaker 4: tactics of a bully.
Speaker 5: Well, I actually saw quite an interesting sort of way
Speaker 5: of presenting this, which I think speaks to really a
Speaker 5: point Pete, is that Trump doesn't really see the world
Speaker 5: as there can be two winners in a situation. There's
Speaker 5: a winner and a loser, and so he's like, you
Speaker 5: have to be a loser for me to be a winner.
Speaker 5: There can't be a mutually beneficial input export relationship. You
Speaker 5: have to be the loser and we are the winners.
Speaker 5: And I think there's something in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is worth checking out. The brilliant I don't
Speaker 2: know how they do it. It must just be AI. But
Speaker 2: the penguins and the seals. Yes, on what's the name
Speaker 2: of that? What are the name of those islands? The
Speaker 2: Marshall was it? The McDonald I don't know, I can't
Speaker 2: remember the name of them, but the Australian Territory where
Speaker 2: they're taxic were.
Speaker 4: Put basically just penguins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's quite there's plenty of stuff to amuse
Speaker 2: you on that stuff.
Speaker 4: So he's also put tariffs on an island that's inhabited
Speaker 4: inhabited only by American service personnel.
Speaker 2: Oh bloody hell. Well, I still put it down to
Speaker 2: I reckon. They did it with CGI, they said, hey
Speaker 2: chat GPT. Yeah, yeah, anyway, anyway, look at the story
Speaker 2: will continue to go. But it's just I think he's bonkers.
Speaker 2: He's had a cognitive test, and you might know what's
Speaker 2: blue and what's red. But in terms of any common sense,
Speaker 2: comme out of the White House and nutty, let's move on,
Speaker 2: shall we? Now? Of course that I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: all part of it is part of the fact the
Speaker 2: world does feel that we can't take the sort of
Speaker 2: status quo of peaceful existence for granted as much. And
Speaker 2: of course we've seen the government announced that it's going
Speaker 2: to be investing twelve billion over the next four years
Speaker 2: for modern, compact combat capable and New Zealand Defense Force.
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with us. I think we've
Speaker 2: been underfunding the defense for a long time. Pete, I
Speaker 2: tend to agree.
Speaker 4: I think I've enjoyed the conversations around. You know, we
Speaker 4: do need to be able to partake, We do need
Speaker 4: to be able to stand alongside allies. I don't have
Speaker 4: a great deal of time for the people that go, oh,
Speaker 4: we should never have sold the Skyhawks. We need to
Speaker 4: strike force. Those sorts of things. I can't see the
Speaker 4: logical thinking behind that. But do we need to be
Speaker 4: able to get people personnel to the other side of
Speaker 4: the world quickly, efficiently and have them be able to
Speaker 4: integrate into larger forces, Yes we do. Should they be
Speaker 4: able to bring some of their own kit? Yes they
Speaker 4: should so. Yeah, I think it's a good thing.
Speaker 2: What do you reckon, Joe? Oh?
Speaker 5: I have to say, I agree too. I mean, I
Speaker 5: think we're getting the point. They're just going to bolt
Speaker 5: a few torpedoes onto the new fairies. You know what
Speaker 5: a brilliant code?
Speaker 2: Now when you're off, no brilliant, No, no, no, we
Speaker 2: shouldn't talk about this anymore because that is brilliant. You've
Speaker 2: probably given away a defense plan because who would suspect
Speaker 2: that the Arahua could be so lethal?
Speaker 4: Maybe the new role on roll off Fairies will be
Speaker 4: able to load artillery into either end and a way.
Speaker 2: You go, Oh my god, Joe, I think you've just
Speaker 2: blown our plan because that is genius. It's like, oh
Speaker 2: the key he is looking. They got this stupid ferry.
Speaker 2: What the hell is that? Oh my god, abandon ship.
Speaker 5: I mean, I would say we need a credible defense force,
Speaker 5: you know, and I don't think that should be a
Speaker 5: strike force. I think, you know, but we do have
Speaker 5: a role to play in the Pacific. I think we
Speaker 5: have a role to plan disaster. I think we have
Speaker 5: a role playing in the world. But I don't. I mean,
Speaker 5: I don't one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 5: I mean it's so difficult, doesn't it, Because think, well,
Speaker 5: there's so many areas are so underfunded. But then I think,
Speaker 5: is this enough? You know, this just seems to bring
Speaker 5: us back to sort of the underwhelming capacity of about
Speaker 5: fifteen years ago. I don't think this puts anything into
Speaker 5: wage increases.
Speaker 4: No, apparently it's a different budget for that.
Speaker 2: Although I think that the first I don't know if
Speaker 2: the wages are actually that bad when you first get
Speaker 2: into the defense force. I think I'm not sure that's
Speaker 2: the huge issue. They've got to upgrade the housing and
Speaker 2: all sorts of things. But there was a thought that
Speaker 2: actually you would as you would just you guys were
Speaker 2: both talking about this. I suddenly thought the other aspect
Speaker 2: of this is is when you look at the mistakes
Speaker 2: that we've seen, the man and minuither left the auto
Speaker 2: pilot on it, and there was a question whether it
Speaker 2: be unfair or not of the competency of people who
Speaker 2: are in charge at the moment. And I think that
Speaker 2: one of the big important things is if you we've
Speaker 2: sent its message not only that we're going to do
Speaker 2: our part internationally, but we've also sent this message to
Speaker 2: anyone who's thinking of joining the defense Force that you
Speaker 2: know what, you're going to have more than just a
Speaker 2: slingshot and a couple of rubber bands. You know, we're
Speaker 2: going to equip you properly. And it restores I hopefully
Speaker 2: that there's a part of it that restores this confidences like, hey,
Speaker 2: look the career you can have here. We're going to
Speaker 2: have great kit for you. This is what you're going
Speaker 2: to be doing, and you're going to be supported by
Speaker 2: being well equipped. And because I think that's a massive thing.
Speaker 5: Oh, I do too. I think that. I mean, I'm
Speaker 5: not saying this is the reason behind those sorts of
Speaker 5: problems that we've had or you know, issues and errors,
Speaker 5: but you do think that sort of erosion of MANA
Speaker 5: is not nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we can only go for so long by saying, well,
Speaker 2: we've got great personal assays amazing. It's like, well, but
Speaker 2: you know, what's the kit like? And I think Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with a bit of good kid, is there, Pete.
Speaker 2: You know, do you go past everyn and again you
Speaker 2: see some sort of new set of tools and you're like, well,
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to have to have that.
Speaker 4: You know, I'll tell you what today, just sit by
Speaker 4: the by. It's a very satisfying moment for me. Is
Speaker 4: I pulled out it's called a little rebate plane, which
Speaker 4: is an old fashioned thing which I've had for a
Speaker 4: number of years. It's probably sixty or seventy years old,
Speaker 4: maybe even older than that, and I keep it partly
Speaker 4: for the historicity of it. But I used it today
Speaker 4: and it worked beautifully. And the sense of satisfaction of
Speaker 4: using something that's that old that still performs today was
Speaker 4: just tremendous.
Speaker 5: It sounds like you should join the defense on that front,
Speaker 5: could use some of the old kits.
Speaker 2: On that front. Just before you out of the break,
Speaker 2: we had a leak in a hot water cylinder, a
Speaker 2: catastrophic one, and so we've and it was ruined my night,
Speaker 2: but anyway, it wasn't. It was a lone use evening
Speaker 2: for talkback, right, And I just mentioned I said, by
Speaker 2: the way, I've had a really crappy sort of evening.
Speaker 2: Leading up to coming in here, I talked about the
Speaker 2: water cylinder failing after ten years, which I that's not
Speaker 2: which is not good.
Speaker 4: Did you have a tray under it?
Speaker 2: Yes, but it wasn't it was it wasn't plumbed to anything. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: it would stop the old leak, but yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: And so anyway, I've got a new plumber. He's not
Speaker 2: a brilliant He's done a brilliant job. And I've got
Speaker 2: a good tank. But the funny thing was, they don't
Speaker 2: make them like they used to. I had calls from
Speaker 2: people are like, I've still got the same tank that
Speaker 2: we put it in nineteen sixty five, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I get stuffed.
Speaker 4: It might be something to do with the water.
Speaker 2: Well, no, seriously, let's explore that in the brain.
Speaker 1: Talk about that.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll be back. We're going to be back talking
Speaker 2: about We've got lots of things to talk about, genetic
Speaker 2: modification and the amazing potential of science and the first
Speaker 2: ever baby born by can you believe it, a womb transplant.
Speaker 2: We're going to be talking about that and other things,
Speaker 2: as well as should we bring back the dire wolf.
Speaker 2: Have they twenty five pars three new storks? He'd be
Speaker 2: in the drown Nice welcome back through the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 2: This is the panel with Pete wolf Camp and Joe McCarroll.
Speaker 2: I'm Tim Beveridge and a bit of hungry like the wolf.
Speaker 2: Of course, it's going to tie to a topic we've
Speaker 2: got not too far away from here about the what
Speaker 2: science count and can't do when it comes to bringing
Speaker 2: back extinct species. But at first, guys, this this amazing
Speaker 2: story about what science can do to make a transformational
Speaker 2: changes in people's lives. So they're a woman who was
Speaker 2: when she was a teenager, she was diagnosed with a
Speaker 2: rare condition she didn't have a woman slash uterus, and
Speaker 2: she had a transplant of a womb in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: her sister's womb, and she has recently given birth to
Speaker 2: a daughter. And I just find this it's mind blowing
Speaker 2: what medicine can do. And I don't know, it just
Speaker 2: blows me away, and a lovely story. Imagine a very
Speaker 2: special child for that couple. But it is what do
Speaker 2: you reckon, Joe? It's pretty phenomenal stuff, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, look I'm kind of slightly torn on this. I
Speaker 5: thought it was a very moving story. I certainly shed
Speaker 5: a tear or two when I saw, you know, the
Speaker 5: couple and the happy couple. And you know, I've got
Speaker 5: friends who have really struggled with fertility, and I know
Speaker 5: the pain of that. You know, and I've seen it.
Speaker 5: So you think this is incredible, And I agree with you, Tim,
Speaker 5: you know, the scientist and the surgeon and the you know,
Speaker 5: the professor. I've worked on this for decades. You know,
Speaker 5: this is the first ever baby born by woman transplant
Speaker 5: in the UK. Think like it's happened internationally forever on
Speaker 5: the UK, yes, But at the same time, I'm just
Speaker 5: a bit I don't know. I mean, organ donation to
Speaker 5: save a life, but is having children a right or
Speaker 5: a privilege?
Speaker 2: You do what you can to have them, I think,
Speaker 2: I guess, But.
Speaker 5: Then you're like, well do you draw the line at
Speaker 5: trans women? Like I feel this is this is a
Speaker 5: really complicated, potentially dangerous surgery. I don't know a lot
Speaker 5: of money has gone into it. You wonder about equity issues.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's it's complicated while taking nothing away
Speaker 5: from the joy of that family and wishing them nothing
Speaker 5: but the best with their little girl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you follow that argument through though,
Speaker 2: I mean I think that because I was thinking about
Speaker 2: that the health challenges that we've got globally and stuff.
Speaker 2: But to me, I think we have to still, we've
Speaker 2: got to do what we can with the expertise and
Speaker 2: with pushing science because it all has a flow on
Speaker 2: effect with what science can achieve. So probably the first
Speaker 2: in vitro, you know, the first fertility treatments that we're
Speaker 2: only available to people who coul afford it, but have
Speaker 2: now become more broadly based and allow on more and
Speaker 2: more people. And I don't know, I just like science.
Speaker 2: I don't like using the word trickle down because it's
Speaker 2: a trigger for people on the economic side, but I
Speaker 2: do like the trickle down of science that you know,
Speaker 2: the s edge. And I don't know, what do you think, Pete.
Speaker 4: Look, I agree with Joe and some of those concerns around,
Speaker 4: you know how sort of like in that space just
Speaker 4: because you can do it, should you. But at the
Speaker 4: same time, there is something particularly poignant about this story
Speaker 4: in the sense that it is a sister offering this
Speaker 4: to her sister, and so it is two members of
Speaker 4: the same family looking after each other, and you know,
Speaker 4: such an incredibly rare condition as well, to have that
Speaker 4: opportunity for childbirth denied because your body just missed out
Speaker 4: on something at earth sort of thing. So I look,
Speaker 4: I think it's heartwarming and it's incredible, and you know,
Speaker 4: potentially these other things that can be learned as well
Speaker 4: around transplant surgeries and that sort of thing out of it.
Speaker 4: And look, I hope that they're very happy. I wonder
Speaker 4: if they'll try for another child as well.
Speaker 2: BlimE me, it just blows me away that it's one
Speaker 2: thing to sort of use someone else's eggs and stuff,
Speaker 2: but to actually transplant it's just what surgery, what they
Speaker 2: can do surgically blows me away.
Speaker 5: And I think you can take from this, look at
Speaker 5: what happens. This is the best of human potential, you know,
Speaker 5: when people work together and they can achieve these incredible things.
Speaker 5: I absolutely do take that away from this as well.
Speaker 5: But you think, what in the long term will this
Speaker 5: looks like? Will people be able to just buy a
Speaker 5: womb from someone?
Speaker 2: Doesn't sound I can't imagine that. Yeah, I can't imagine
Speaker 2: this being a widespread sort of thing. But it does
Speaker 2: sound yeah, well, well anyway time will tell.
Speaker 4: Traditional well traditional modern route to this same outcome would
Speaker 4: be a surrogate. But then you use which is not uncommon, not.
Speaker 5: Uncommon and absolutely a wonderful thing and lots of occasions.
Speaker 5: But again something perhaps you could say there can be
Speaker 5: ethical issues around while again agreeing that that's a wonderful
Speaker 5: route to a family for some people.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of ethical issues just because you can, you should. Okay, Look,
Speaker 2: I say this cynically. They say die wolves are back. Now.
Speaker 2: Die wolves became sort of famous again because the Game
Speaker 2: of Thrones featured them. They've been extinct I think for
Speaker 2: about twelve thousand years, and researchers have claimed that they've
Speaker 2: brought back, they've de extincted a species, and it's a
Speaker 2: company called a biotech company called Colossal Biosciences. They announced
Speaker 2: that they've resurrected the dire wolf. Basically, out of the
Speaker 2: forty thousand genes of a gray wolf, they've changed about
Speaker 2: fourteen of them with traits of the die wolves. And
Speaker 2: so they're saying that they're die wolves, but they're not.
Speaker 2: They're basically genetically modified gray wolves. And I tell you
Speaker 2: what if the die wolves supposed to be a greatly
Speaker 2: threatened species. These things look cuddly and fluffy, look like
Speaker 2: they'd be more like.
Speaker 4: Other question what happens to these two when they grow up?
Speaker 2: What are they going to do?
Speaker 4: Keep them on a farm, let them.
Speaker 2: In some undisclosed location thing. But look, I think there
Speaker 2: has been a breakthrough in terms of what they can
Speaker 2: do with genetic modification and tweaking genes, and that can
Speaker 2: make a big difference to a whole lot of things.
Speaker 2: And sure, but the dire wall fok, it's a bit
Speaker 2: of fun that they're saying it's back. It's not. But
Speaker 2: what do you think of the whole thing?
Speaker 5: Joe Well, I back in the day before I started
Speaker 5: editing New Zealand Governor, I used to do entertainment reporting
Speaker 5: and I remember being taken to Australia by Discovery Channel
Speaker 5: because there was some scientist who was going to bring
Speaker 5: back the Tasmanian devil.
Speaker 2: Oh that's something that's on the agenda for these guys. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And I believe Tasmani and tiger.
Speaker 5: Tasmani, which is the yeah, actually.
Speaker 2: Soupil by the way, fun fact.
Speaker 5: But I think he might have actually perhaps completely lost
Speaker 5: the plot and maybe ended up in press or something
Speaker 5: like that. You know it was. I remember at that
Speaker 5: time thinking this seems pretty weird. Yeah, I wonder if
Speaker 5: we should put the same energy into working on the
Speaker 5: species we still.
Speaker 2: Have, well, possibly, although if they have been extinct. Is
Speaker 2: there anything you'd like to see bring back? I would
Speaker 2: love to see. I don't know if you get a
Speaker 2: barbecue big enough to put it on. That would need
Speaker 2: a specially large one to one of those one of it.
Speaker 2: They taste like a bit so they don't taste that
Speaker 2: flash anyway, not that we bring them.
Speaker 5: Back to They've been extinct for several fellows.
Speaker 2: I would love to see one of our sports. Gane suggested,
Speaker 2: I think it's the hardest eagle, which, yes, I'd love
Speaker 2: to see that back, although from a distance, but actually
Speaker 2: I would. I just I'm more Jurassic Park baby. I
Speaker 2: want to see that t rex. I want to see
Speaker 2: what it looks like and what sounded makes.
Speaker 5: One of my great friends. Her parents always had a
Speaker 5: dream that there'd be so many This is not extinct yet,
Speaker 5: but there'd be so many cacapo that could have one
Speaker 5: in the garden.
Speaker 2: Right, your guy, what ties back in the we discussed
Speaker 2: this last week that the Northland's got so many kiwis.
Speaker 2: It was that the film of these two kiwis having
Speaker 2: a fight in someone's backyard, which is a lovely story
Speaker 2: up north that the key we are doing so well.
Speaker 2: But so what would you You've got a story about?
Speaker 2: This is slightly related about your peach tree.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, this is something I've written about in the
Speaker 5: Open is Ship, New Zealand gardener. I had an apricot
Speaker 5: tree in my garden which I planted a long time ago,
Speaker 5: and it never really did anything. It really just kind
Speaker 5: of suld, never put never produced any apricots. Apricots are
Speaker 5: pretty marginal in Auckland anyway, and I eventually had to
Speaker 5: get access to get a tree down at the back
Speaker 5: and so I thought, well, that tree has never done
Speaker 5: a thing for me, and I chainsawed it down at
Speaker 5: the base and then the rootstop was left in the
Speaker 5: ground and it threw up some more growth, and of
Speaker 5: course I should have changsawt that down, but I just was, well,
Speaker 5: you know, I'll get at some point. But then it
Speaker 5: started producing peaches and I was like what But I
Speaker 5: worked it out, which I'm sure listeners are weeked to
Speaker 5: already that the rootstock of my original gardener, and the
Speaker 5: apricot was a golden queen peach. So as this crape
Speaker 5: pricot it was an absolute dud. But as a peach
Speaker 5: it is.
Speaker 2: Ah. And let's face it, I mean, apricots so overrated.
Speaker 2: But give me a peach any day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh no, no apricot, that's a hell all die on,
Speaker 5: I love and you've got to go to the South
Speaker 5: Island for them.
Speaker 2: There's absolutely I have never rated apricots because you have
Speaker 2: a peach and then you have an apricot and you go,
Speaker 2: why am I waste more time with the apricots?
Speaker 5: Peach just queen of fruit, best fruit of all.
Speaker 2: Wow, big clane, more controversial.
Speaker 5: More park variety for choice. Anyone listening in the South.
Speaker 2: Text on nine nine two apricots suck and peaches are amazing.
Speaker 2: Whichever your view is said, both the same for you
Speaker 2: actually anyway, Hey, look, speaking of things and ge and
Speaker 2: cloning and all sorts of things, there's someone who's not
Speaker 2: going to be need to be cloned because he's going
Speaker 2: to live forever. And we're talking about Winston up next.
Speaker 2: He's turned eighty sun.
Speaker 3: Myself week, Yes, Welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 2: This is the panel. Joe mccarell and Pete wolf Camp. Ah,
Speaker 2: my panels. I'm Tim Beverage and guys, look, Winnie Peters.
Speaker 2: Winston Peters. He has turned eighty. He's been in politics
Speaker 2: for fifty years. He's been in, he's been out, he's
Speaker 2: been up and down, and he's now Minister of Foreign
Speaker 2: Affairs and he's been deptly Prime Minister. And I can't
Speaker 2: see Winston Peters feels like he's going to be around forever,
Speaker 2: doesn't he.
Speaker 4: Pete, there is an election next year, and you kind
Speaker 4: of go, would that be a great time to go
Speaker 4: out on top or do you think he'd stick around?
Speaker 2: He's going to stick around. Yeah, there's no way he's
Speaker 2: departing politics. Joe.
Speaker 5: I don't think he's departing politics. So, I mean he's
Speaker 5: been you know, over those fifty years, he's done a
Speaker 5: mixed bag of things. I'd say, you know, he's held
Speaker 5: the government to account on numerous occasions. I think he's
Speaker 5: got very sharp political antennae. But I would say he
Speaker 5: should use his gold card to get the bus home
Speaker 5: and maybe take the imported culture war. He's desperately trying
Speaker 5: to incite with him because yeah, I'm I'm you know,
Speaker 5: I wish him a happy birthday.
Speaker 2: But I think he's a pretty good foreign minister, though,
Speaker 2: what did you say? I mean, regardless of whether you're
Speaker 2: like see, there's there's two versions of Winston Peter's. There's
Speaker 2: the version that I loathed in the campaign, who is
Speaker 2: the populist who seemed to be just courting votes wherever
Speaker 2: he could find them, and I don't know whether it
Speaker 2: really aligned to what he thought or just where he
Speaker 2: thought there were votes to be harvested. And then there's
Speaker 2: the Winston Peters once he's in, who is actually as
Speaker 2: a foreign minister, I think he's one of the I
Speaker 2: think he's probably one of the best we've ever had.
Speaker 2: And so he's two different people politicing Winston and then
Speaker 2: there's statesman Winston and they're like two different people one
Speaker 2: he uses one to become the other. And I can't
Speaker 2: work out where I can't work out how I feel
Speaker 2: about it. What do you think, Pete?
Speaker 4: Look, I think the fact that he's out there doing
Speaker 4: a really good job at the moment, and I don't
Speaker 4: know that too many people would disagree with that the
Speaker 4: fact that he's out there traveling, talking to people, being
Speaker 4: face to face, going up to the islands now with
Speaker 4: a cross party group, you know, those sorts of things.
Speaker 4: That's refreshing given the attitude to sort of travel from
Speaker 4: the previous foreign minister. So yeah, from that point of view,
Speaker 4: he's also have you met.
Speaker 2: Him, No, I've interviewed him a few times. Oh yes,
Speaker 2: I have met him because I hosted a political debate
Speaker 2: once from the North Harbor Business Association stuff and oh
Speaker 2: no he was Was he the one that I can't
Speaker 2: remember who was there?
Speaker 4: He failed? Did you were doing it?
Speaker 2: And took off that?
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was in a lecture hall at university about
Speaker 4: Shiver was thirty something years ago, and he came out
Speaker 4: and caught my eye and sort of and he's a
Speaker 4: remarkable you know, thirty years ago is a remarkably charismatic figure.
Speaker 4: And it's one of those encounters that I've never really forgotten.
Speaker 4: So he certainly has the power of personality what he
Speaker 4: chooses to do with it.
Speaker 2: Wait, and well here's the thing, Joe, you see putting
Speaker 2: aside the politics, I think there's another really good thing
Speaker 2: about this. So often we hear this sixty five in
Speaker 2: a retirement age, in that sort of thing, and the
Speaker 2: example of whether or not you agree with his politics,
Speaker 2: the example that he's a guy who clearly has a purpose.
Speaker 2: He still has, mean a reason to get out of bed.
Speaker 2: And I was thinking that that is a great lesson
Speaker 2: to anyone, regardless of what your age is, is a
Speaker 2: view is keeping a purpose and a reason for doing whatever.
Speaker 2: And the idea that you should retire or you don't
Speaker 2: have anything to contribute when you're beyond the age of
Speaker 2: sixty five, seventy, whatever it is, I think is getting
Speaker 2: pushed to the sideline.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's literally disenfranchising people to say,
Speaker 5: you know, oh well, once you're at this age contribution
Speaker 5: as mood, I think, you know, our parliament should be
Speaker 5: representative and therefore there should be people who represent the
Speaker 5: interests of older adults. Yeah, I think, you know, people
Speaker 5: make people make a contribution at all ages and stages.
Speaker 5: But but yeah, yeah, politically I would.
Speaker 2: Say you're going to vote from next election, then.
Speaker 5: I won't be voting.
Speaker 2: Obviously.
Speaker 4: He was a big part of the gold card establishment, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: And so I remember my dad used to think, I've
Speaker 4: got a vote for Froim every time because he gave me
Speaker 4: the gold card.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Actually, one of the questions I asked
Speaker 2: him in my last interviewed him was after when the
Speaker 2: protests were at a State of the Nation address, and
Speaker 2: I thought to myself, I reckon, he loves the protesters.
Speaker 2: And I just said to him, I don't want to
Speaker 2: ask a sort of cheeky question, but is there a
Speaker 2: part of you that really, when it comes to the
Speaker 2: cut and thrust, you actually love it when somebody stands
Speaker 2: and makes the scene. You love the protesters, don't you?
Speaker 2: And he just laughed and said, yeah, I love it,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 5: But I must say it's not what I want for
Speaker 5: my eighties, you know what I mean? Like, I mean
Speaker 5: fair enough to keep working, fair enough to keep making
Speaker 5: a contribution, but the idea of continuing in a job
Speaker 5: which where the office politics are just guaranteed because it's politics,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I reckon that I'm going to open the copy of
Speaker 2: the New Zealand Garden magazine if I'm still alive and
Speaker 2: in about forty years time, and is still I thought
Speaker 2: she said she was going to give it up anyway,
Speaker 2: just quickly on the just tying on into that this
Speaker 2: is a New Zealand first thing about the government being instructed,
Speaker 2: government agencies being instructed when it comes to construction of
Speaker 2: government buildings to do it with wool, have wool carpet
Speaker 2: and things. And initially I was sort of like, well,
Speaker 2: aren't we about a cost saving and going for you
Speaker 2: know whatever, But it's I guess we are a wool
Speaker 2: producing nation. We do it very well. And I will
Speaker 2: ask the builder first. I think you'll have a hot
Speaker 2: take on this, because there are all sorts of innovations
Speaker 2: with with natural modern materials, will of hamp all sorts
Speaker 2: of things.
Speaker 4: The really interesting well, one of the interesting things was
Speaker 4: as soon as that got over the line, then the
Speaker 4: Timber Association we're knocking on the door going out of
Speaker 4: the part going hey, look you know what about us? Right,
Speaker 4: But it is such a fine line too, because you
Speaker 4: can see where a directive from central government to industry
Speaker 4: that we want to use these products or promote the
Speaker 4: use of these products can lead to a certain complacency
Speaker 4: and essentially getting ripped off. Right, So there is a
Speaker 4: part of government where we want them to be effective
Speaker 4: and cost efficient, but at the same time it's a
Speaker 4: fantastic opportunity. I think what really got the wool growers
Speaker 4: upset is that there was a directive from some minion
Speaker 4: in the government that just mean, you can't consider wall carpet.
Speaker 4: So even if you wanted it as a school, you
Speaker 4: weren't allowed to choose it. And they were saying, well, look,
Speaker 4: we think we should be in the mix in terms
Speaker 4: of having some choice. So and there are huge benefits,
Speaker 4: and look from a cost point of view, you go,
Speaker 4: let's say it's I don't know, ten percent more expensive
Speaker 4: to use wool, but it supports an entire industry. In
Speaker 4: my mind, that's that's good use of taxpayers money.
Speaker 2: What about you, Joe.
Speaker 5: Oh, I mean my grandparents farmed in the money at Toto,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm from a wall family. I think it
Speaker 5: was absolutely bananas that we were not including wool in
Speaker 5: the mix and really seeing the advantages of this incredible
Speaker 5: natural fiber which we produce locally, which you know has
Speaker 5: so many downstream environmental benefits, and favoring synthetic carpets in
Speaker 5: terms of the microplastics they're going to introduce into into
Speaker 5: the system which we live. I think it's bananas that
Speaker 5: that was ever, just even that was a problem that
Speaker 5: we had because I think wool is an incredible fiber
Speaker 5: and we should be looking for ways to use it
Speaker 5: because we are so ideally.
Speaker 2: Set up it'll be nice for consumers. I guess if
Speaker 2: what was more competitive, because we're looking at getting new
Speaker 2: new carpet, and I'll be honest, we're not getting wool
Speaker 2: unless I can find some miraculous steel which gives me
Speaker 2: something that I can rely on, fading wise and all
Speaker 2: that and cost wise. Because it's just so it's nice,
Speaker 2: the government can do it, but still it's I think
Speaker 2: it's still a bit of luxury product for some people.
Speaker 5: But then at the same time, if we are supporting
Speaker 5: that industry, then that industry will become more accessible to consumers,
Speaker 5: which you know, the industry has to exist for us
Speaker 5: to be able to afford the products that they create.
Speaker 4: And I think too, there is that consumer consciousness right
Speaker 4: that as consumers, if we're in a position to buy
Speaker 4: with a certain consideration for the impact of the product
Speaker 4: that we're buying, and we're in a position to do that,
Speaker 4: then I think it's it's our moral responsibility to do
Speaker 4: the right thing in terms of what we purchase. So
Speaker 4: you know, if purchasing wool carpet is a better choice
Speaker 4: then and you can make that choice maybe.
Speaker 2: About the life of my fair lady principals Governor, now
Speaker 2: I can't afford them. Yeah, I use that all the time.
Speaker 2: We could get onto the EVS where all those other countries,
Speaker 2: but I haven't set that for discussion where they decided
Speaker 2: it was actually dirtier because they're being fueled by fossil fields.
Speaker 2: But that's for another day because we're going to come
Speaker 2: back and talk about blokes in their undies. This is
Speaker 2: news Talk, said b It is nine minutes before. Yes,
Speaker 2: welcome back to news Talks, said be. Joe McCarrell and
Speaker 2: Pete wolf Camp. Now, the last story is there's there's been. Look,
Speaker 2: it's probably not really a big controversy that's excited people,
Speaker 2: but Robert Irwin, who's the son of the Steve Irwin,
Speaker 2: he's featured in a Bonds commercial. It's a viral underwear
Speaker 2: photo shoot and it has had some people going, well,
Speaker 2: hang on a minute. Is that there was a woman
Speaker 2: who was the host of a two GB and she
Speaker 2: was basically expressing outrage that there is a double standard
Speaker 2: that I have an issue with comments that are around
Speaker 2: his photo that in the pursuit of gender equality, how
Speaker 2: it's appalling for men to objectify women. Why is it
Speaker 2: okay by today's standards to objectify men? Speaking as a man,
Speaker 2: I don't mind being objectified, do you people?
Speaker 4: I'm not sure I go that far, but I I
Speaker 4: find it hard to figure out what the controversy is here.
Speaker 4: I mean, I get it in the sense that the
Speaker 4: idea is that we don't just look at each other
Speaker 4: as some sort of object hence the objectification. But at
Speaker 4: the same time, you know, he's obviously gone out to
Speaker 4: do this to get a reaction. He's got the reactions
Speaker 4: that he wanted.
Speaker 2: He's doing an advert campaign.
Speaker 4: It's an ad.
Speaker 2: So I'm a bit questionable about the snake he's draped with.
Speaker 4: He's an expert in that field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't want to do it, But I mean,
Speaker 2: is there a double standard? Do you think, Joe? And
Speaker 2: does it matter?
Speaker 5: I don't think there. I mean it's one of those
Speaker 5: things which is just such an Angels on the head
Speaker 5: of the Penn kind of question, because I'm like, it's
Speaker 5: not it's not the same. Frankly, you know, the way
Speaker 5: women are treated in the world the way men are
Speaker 5: treated in the world. It's just not the same. You know,
Speaker 5: you can't say it's the same. And therefore, and I
Speaker 5: don't think he's had those photos taken. I'm not objectifying him.
Speaker 5: I'm a little uncomfortable with it, but I think of
Speaker 5: him as being.
Speaker 2: But if you look at him and go, he's a
Speaker 2: bit of all right, and you said to one of
Speaker 2: your colleagues or some gosh, look have you seen the robin. Gosh,
Speaker 2: he's grant, what a spunk muffin. I don't think I
Speaker 2: don't think there be any problem with that, whereas maybe.
Speaker 4: Gyses that thing. I mean, I'm not around the office
Speaker 4: cooller or the water cooler in an office or something
Speaker 4: like that. But you know, if you imagine a group
Speaker 4: of women steering at the photograph of him, going oh,
Speaker 4: he's a bit of a hotty and all the rest
Speaker 4: of it, and then if I was with a group
Speaker 4: of mates doing the same, would I be.
Speaker 2: Well, Pete, I think it's about time we saw the
Speaker 2: Pete warf camp Can and we can make that up
Speaker 2: for ourselves. Hey, guys, time flies, we're having fun. Peate
Speaker 2: wolf camp Jamen Can lovely to see you guys. We'll
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