1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Ever do for thee ellens to Gaza and Australia's Prime 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Minister Anthony Albanesi has released a statement condemning israelph for 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: starving the children of Gaza, in language that is much 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: stronger than the statement that New Zealand signed earlier this week. Unfortunately, 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: sees fine negotiations have again collapsed. Now former Prime Minister 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: and former head of the UN Development Agency Helen Clark 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: is with us high Helen Hi, Heather, is there any 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: chance that we can end this before those children die? 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: Or are the children going to die? 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: Children are now dying every day and you look at 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: those absolutely shocking, shocking images of the children. These children 12 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: are going to have permanent damage to their development, even 13 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: their mental development, if they live at all, the ones 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: who are so emaciated and starved. Let's remember that starvation 15 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: of a civilian population is a war crime and people 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: will be held accountable for this. But of course people 17 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: are dying while they are getting away with the use 18 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: of starvation as a war crime. So it is really 19 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: desperately urgent that the gates are open for the flow 20 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: of aid which is sitting at the border with the 21 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 2: many UN agencies from UNICEF, to the whos to many 22 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: to get it to the people, and that's just not 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: being allowed. 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: Is the world doing all it can? 25 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: No? Not can. So the US could change this. The 26 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: US could say to Natanya, who just stop it. We're 27 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 2: not going to put up with people being staffed to death. 28 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 2: It hasn't done that. I think the meeting that's supposed 29 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: to occur presumably online between the UK, French and German 30 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 2: leaders tomorrow will be very important. They need to be 31 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: speaking with one voice to Washington, DC to stop it 32 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: and to pledge all efforts that they can make to 33 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: support the humanitarian effort. But until the US puts pressure 34 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: on Israel, nothing is going to change. 35 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 3: And can we as a world put pressure on Trump? 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: We can, and New Zealand really does need to come 37 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: out much more strongly. You may have noticed today that 38 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: the President of France has announced that they are recognizing 39 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: the state of Palestine. New Zealand should be following. This 40 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 2: is a very important signal that we want an end 41 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 2: to the ongoing cycles of conflict and disaster. We want 42 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: the Palestinians to have their state as agreed with all 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: those years ago in the Oslo Accords that this has 44 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: to stop and New Zealand's voice needs to be a 45 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: lot louder. 46 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 3: Okay, And so what do you think, Helen. I mean, 47 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 3: you've been around a long time, You've watched a lot 48 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 3: of stuff happen in the world. Do you see this 49 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: ending anytime soon or unfortunately not? 50 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: I think the critical thing now is for those three 51 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: major European leaders to be on the phone to Trump 52 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: after their meeting tomorrow, to say stop it. We're poised 53 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: to throw everything at resolving this situation, but stop the siege. 54 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: It is a siege. Civilian populations are being starved as 55 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: a deliberate policy. 56 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, Helen, thanks very much appreciated. Helen Clark, former Prime Minister. 57 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live to 58 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 59 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.