1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: The Independent Police Conduct Authority is calling for new legislation 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: around how officers deal with protests, and we've sent a 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: few of those in the last few days, haven't we. 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: The changes would allow police and local authorities to set 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: conditions around the protest applications, the traffic management, and they 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: might even stop you from picketing outside private residence like 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: the PM's house. The current framework has also been called 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: unfit for purpose and inadequate. The chair of the IPCA 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: is Judge Kenneth Johnson. It's good to have you on 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: the show. What our protest is allowed to do at 11 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: the moment that you don't want them doing in the future. 12 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: What we're trying to do is ensure that police officers 13 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: don't have the large, well rather than difficult task of 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 2: enforcing a disparate group of criminal provisions in the context 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: of protests, but rather have an overarching that of legislation 16 00:00:54,440 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: that enables them to identify considerably more precision when activity 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: is stepping outside the bounds of what's been proposed. 18 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: But it isn't it obvious. I mean, if somebody punches 19 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: somebody else on approaches, you can arrest them. If somebody 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: walks onto a highway. That's you know, a safety issue. 21 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: You can arrest them, but that's versi. 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: Fatally the point the outcome of punching somebody is not 23 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: going to change at all. However, if you do give 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 2: notice and it's accepted that you'll be walking down Queen 25 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: Street or up lamp and Key or something on a 26 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: particular day, then walking down Queen Street or up Lampton Key, 27 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: it is not going to result in a charge of 28 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: blocking the highway or whatever the appropriate charge is under 29 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: the transport legislation. 30 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: But that's I mean, that's the rule now right. I 31 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: mean people that we have the hikoi over the Harbor 32 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: Bridge that was escorted by police. 33 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: That happens now, well, yes it does, but it doesn't. 34 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: It doesn't alter the fact that blocking the highway can 35 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: be can be an offense. The fact that it's not 36 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: enforced is a definition not always enforced anyway, it often 37 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: is enforced. For example, the Wellington Parliamentary protest. 38 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: What about you know, should it people be able to 39 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: pick it outside the Prime Minister's house, outside anyone's house. 40 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: Well, that's a particular issue, and you will have seen 41 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: from the report, if you've read the whole thing, I 42 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: imagine you have that we identify. 43 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 3: That as an area where the Government of the day 44 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: might like to give some consideration to whether that should 45 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 3: be lawful or not. And at the moment it's left 46 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: it awful to pick it outside the Prime Minister's house 47 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 3: if you want to, whether it should be or not 48 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: as not a matter for. 49 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: Us to determine. And it's an issue that we've raised 50 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: and identified what other countries do in that area, and 51 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: no doubt the Government of the day will give some 52 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: consideration to it in the fullness of time. 53 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure they will. Ken thank you very much for 54 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: your time. Kenneth Johnson Case, the chair of the IPCA, 55 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: I'm not entirely convinced, I have to say after that 56 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: at twenty away from six, not entirely convinced that that 57 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: would justify a completely new piece of legislation to deal 58 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: with protests in New Zealand. For more from Heather Duplessy 59 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: Allen Drive, listen live to news talks. It'd be from 60 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.