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Speaker 1: Good to be the government have had last crack the

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Speaker 1: emergency housing nightmare that's plagued this country for the past

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Speaker 1: handful of years. In the nine months since December, the

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Speaker 1: claim this morning is that the number of households and

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Speaker 1: emergency motels has dropped from thirty one hundred for thirteen hundred,

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Speaker 1: which is a saving numerically of half a million dollars

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Speaker 1: a day. At the Associate Housing Minister, Tom at Potuck

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Speaker 1: is with us morning, got the mine very well. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: just for clarification's sake, you talk households, do we know

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Speaker 1: how many actual people we're dealing with?

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Speaker 2: We do know how many actual people, but there is

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a change. Sometimes Parmo move out

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Speaker 2: but the children go somewhere else is a little bit

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Speaker 2: of flexibility in that. But I do have the numbers

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Speaker 2: to hand.

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Speaker 1: But it's thousands of people, presumably if you're dealing with

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Speaker 1: a couple of thousand households.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and certainly since December there's been nearly a couple

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Speaker 2: of thousand children come out of emergency households. And since

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Speaker 2: we made the decision around Priority one, of course, one

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Speaker 2: thousand round and eleven up to the end of August.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing it?

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Speaker 2: First of all, we're really focused on making sure that

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Speaker 2: those people who go into emergency net housing have a

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Speaker 2: genuine need bike for a short term stay in temporary accommodation.

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Speaker 2: It's not just turning up and saying I'm ready to go,

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Speaker 2: Please support me to go into emergency housing. It's making

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Speaker 2: sure they've taken the effort to have a look for

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Speaker 2: housing elsewhere and they're following the appropriate responsibilities framework.

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Speaker 1: So you're doing nothing miraculous because, of course, when you

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Speaker 1: made your emissional announcement a couple of weeks ago, everyone went, well,

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Speaker 1: I've disappeared. Where have they gone? They've all gone on

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Speaker 1: to the footpath or the cars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's not fair. That's completely unfair. We know

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Speaker 2: where most people leave in emergency housing are going to

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Speaker 2: about eighty percent nearly eighty percent when we arrived when

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Speaker 2: you where about fifty percent we're going. But now we've

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Speaker 2: got better data tracking and knowing where people are going to.

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Speaker 2: Generally there are some people and they don't have to

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Speaker 2: tell us where they're going. We don't know nearly twenty percent.

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Speaker 2: You have a decision we make mic was to prioritize

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Speaker 2: and to get them out of emergency housing. And that

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Speaker 2: was a decision we made in April, at the end

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Speaker 2: of April. And since then, as I've said, six hundred

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Speaker 2: and forty five to five oh with Tabatiki, two hundred

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Speaker 2: and eleven have gone into social.

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Speaker 1: Housing okay, and they will be in social housing for

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Speaker 1: how long we don't know. So essentially the trick you're

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Speaker 1: pulling here, as you're gone from emergency to social there's

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Speaker 1: still under some sort of state care.

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Speaker 2: No. I think that's a little bit unfair. With the

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Speaker 2: priority one that is true might but there's a whole

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Speaker 2: bunch of others that have gone out of emergency housing

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Speaker 2: into private housing. We know that because of the small

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Speaker 2: accommodation supplements that go through the system that support hundreds

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Speaker 2: of thousands of kiwis into private housing. But our real

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Speaker 2: message is, Mike, is fake decisions, Be accountable, be really

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Speaker 2: clear across government who's responsible for what. And also this

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Speaker 2: is with the Minister of Housing, make sure we start

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Speaker 2: firing up private development of private housing again.

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Speaker 1: Does this continue, do you think? Or is this just

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Speaker 1: the initial low hanging fruit where you can claim some

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Speaker 1: big numbers.

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Speaker 2: I think it's blue shirts might describe it, and there's

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Speaker 2: unrisk with people reverse back to transitional or emergency housing.

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Speaker 2: But we've got to take the steps now to reduce

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Speaker 2: the numbers, make sure the eligibility criteria clear, decision making

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Speaker 2: around responsibilities, and then we've got to try probably a

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Speaker 2: couple of other things that we're looking at around social outcomes,

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Speaker 2: contracting and trying a little bit a couple of different

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Speaker 2: methods to ensure that not only do people exit emergency housing,

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Speaker 2: but they stay out of emergency housing.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time time at PO Tiger Associate Housing Minister.

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