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Speaker 1: Tough on power, sharp on insight.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Allen on the mic, asking Breakfast with the Defender,

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Speaker 2: embraced the impossible news togs.

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Speaker 3: He'd be morning and welcome coming up on the show today.

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Speaker 4: The Ossie government's response to the Bondai shooting is to

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Speaker 4: tighten up even further on the gun laws and also

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Speaker 4: ask some questions of the intelligence services who decided six years.

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Speaker 3: Ago that the young shooter was not a threat.

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Speaker 4: Will get you to Australia on that Stephen Joyce is

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Speaker 4: in studio ahead of the government opening its books, going

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Speaker 4: to ask where the surplus is going.

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Speaker 3: To be pushed out?

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Speaker 4: Yet again, it's the end of the road. Unfortunately, unfortunately

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Speaker 4: for Splore. This year's festival is the final one and

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Speaker 4: we have comedian Tom Sainsbury in after eight.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen in a way.

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Speaker 4: I'm pleased to tell you that the proposal to have

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Speaker 4: the number of jury trials in the UK is being

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Speaker 4: met with some pretty fierce resistance, to the point that

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Speaker 4: it is causing possibly the biggest mutiny against Keir Starmer yet.

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Speaker 4: And given the trouble he's already faced that saying a lot.

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Speaker 4: The problem is they think they're going to hand some

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Speaker 4: stuff to Nigel Farage. Basically on this front is well intentioned.

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Speaker 4: In the UK, the aim is basically to unclog the

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Speaker 4: courts that are clogged there, just like they are here,

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Speaker 4: and to do so by having the judges oversee the

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Speaker 4: lower level crimes and having juries just deal with the

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Speaker 3: It's well intentioned.

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Speaker 4: I mean, on the face of it, it would seem okay,

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Speaker 4: not necessarily a good idea though, because judges are not

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Speaker 4: learned in our own experience in this country In recent

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Speaker 4: years judges have gone off on their own tangent that

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Speaker 4: isn't always the same as where we are as a society.

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Speaker 4: They're going activists and they're going soft as long as

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Speaker 4: the offender can spin a sob story about their rough

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Speaker 4: childhood which made them a rapist. Do you remember the

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Speaker 4: case of the pew pew farmer who cut off the

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Speaker 4: little finger of the burglar whod broken into his house.

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Speaker 3: Happened about three years ago.

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Speaker 4: It was the third time this particular kid had broken in,

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Speaker 3: Nothing deterred him at all.

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Speaker 4: So what the farmer did is last time the kid

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Speaker 4: broke in, farmer overpowered him, held him down, cut off

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Speaker 4: his little finger. Jury found that far and not guilty,

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Speaker 4: which is an outcome which divided legal experts. Are you

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Speaker 4: sure a judge would have done the same and found

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Speaker 4: him not guilty as well? Are there not times where

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Speaker 4: what society actually needs is a group of people who

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Speaker 4: life risks and real life consequences and tolerance and exasperation

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Speaker 4: that we all feel about crime and then make a call,

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Speaker 4: rather than having a cloister judge who lives in a

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Speaker 4: world of theory doing that for us. Sure, all of

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Speaker 4: juries would have its own consequences.

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Speaker 1: Why news of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 4: In the worship of the Bondi terror attack, the Aussie

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Speaker 4: government is looking at gun regulation again.

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Speaker 5: The government is prepared to take whatever action is necessary.

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Speaker 6: Included in that is the need for tougher gun laws.

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Speaker 3: We're going to have more detail on that for you

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Speaker 3: after seven.

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Speaker 4: And then you've got the Dems like Elhanoma who want

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Speaker 4: to use the Ossi example to start the gun control

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Speaker 6: It is a tragedy has become a normal occurrence, not

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Speaker 6: Has worked really hard to create gun professional laws.

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Speaker 3: As you can imagine, there's already resistance.

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Speaker 7: It's also a reminder that gun control and the end

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Speaker 7: is not a solution. If nobody is allowed to have

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Speaker 4: UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer has also had a word

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Speaker 8: I want to reassure our Jewish communities here in the

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Speaker 4: In other news in the UK, the farm inheritance tax

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Speaker 4: coming in next year is still being questioned after Labour

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Speaker 9: We have all produced unanimous reports calling for this to

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Speaker 9: You don't even have to listen to the farmers out there.

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Speaker 9: You don't have to listen to the President at the NFU.

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Speaker 9: But funny do you not listen to your on party colleagues.

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Speaker 4: In the US, the death of film director Rob Ryan

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Speaker 1: At this time. The Los Angeles Police Department is.

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Speaker 10: Not seeking anyone as a suspect, or as a person

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Speaker 1: Now we move forward.

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Speaker 3: They have arrested his son Nick.

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Speaker 4: Finally, more details have emerged about the hero, Ahmed al

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Speaker 4: Ahmed in Bondi.

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Speaker 3: He was shot five times during.

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Speaker 4: The attack when he wrestled the gun off the younger

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Speaker 3: He was wrongly described as a fruit shop owner.

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Speaker 4: In fact, he owns a tobacco and convenience store, while

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Speaker 4: the other shooter was the fruit shop owner, and a

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Speaker 4: one point four million New Zealand dollars just in a

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Speaker 4: donation from the Jewish billionaire Bill Ackman.

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Speaker 4: In ninety seconds. Turns out that the hero actually may

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Speaker 4: Now it's not clear if he was in the police

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Speaker 3: Just quickly on BONDI.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Sydney Opera House last night was lit

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Speaker 4: up with the minora, which is the candle holder, the

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Speaker 4: Jewish candle holder that holds the seven candles, a big

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Speaker 3: Sixteen past six make a lot of money. Gregg Smith

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Speaker 3: degenerates with us Morning Greek, Morning Heaven. Now, what do

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Speaker 3: you make of those Kiwi service sector numbers?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so we're talking about green shoots yesterday we were

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Speaker 11: This is great. Heading into Christmas is retail p side

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. Hey, thank you very much, Greg. Enjoy the

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Speaker 5: Chris, well, are you here there?

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Speaker 1: You going very well?

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Speaker 18: It is a surprise to you again where he is

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Speaker 18: But there are I think one thing that's not covered

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Speaker 18: Look, that's certainly what it's suggesting. But you know, we've

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Speaker 4: Now, now the retail number strongest in eight years down

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Speaker 3: Are you doing that as well?

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Speaker 18: Look when you look at there's one number that stands

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Speaker 18: the new order number. So that's that's the most forward

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Speaker 18: far better year. So I think if you really read

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Speaker 18: receptor is the way we look at it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's fantastic news.

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Speaker 19: Chris.

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Speaker 3: You look after yourself.

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Speaker 4: radar of the domestic spy agency the AZO in Australia

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Speaker 4: in about October twenty nineteenth, around about six years ago.

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Speaker 4: And this was on account of the fact that he

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Speaker 4: had been in contact with somebody who was reasonably well

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Speaker 4: connected in the in the I community and whatnot. They

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Speaker 4: had a look at him, they thought, asked, Guy's not

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Speaker 4: It's just an acquaintance, not a big deal, not a

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Speaker 4: threat at all, and they shut the thing down and

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Speaker 4: they hadn't checked on him since then. Obviously bad call.

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Speaker 4: But is it an understandable bad call to have made?

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Speaker 4: Is this just one of those things you couldn't possibly prevent.

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Speaker 4: We'll have a chat to an intelligence expert out of

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Speaker 4: Australia for you. After seven. It's sixteen to.

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Speaker 2: Two International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance Peace of

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Speaker 2: mind for New Zealand business and out of.

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Speaker 3: France, we have Catherine Field. Morning Catherine, Good morning, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Now this business with the farmers is in its third day, isn't.

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Speaker 12: It It is indeed, I mean, I know we're used

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Speaker 12: to seeing farmers protesting and driving their tractors through the

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Speaker 12: streets of Paris angry about prices, but this one's a

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Speaker 12: little difficult. It involves herds that have been affected by

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Speaker 12: lumpy skin disease. Now this is something that all cattle

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Speaker 12: farmers know about, but for the general public it's come

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Speaker 12: as something new. It's a viral disease that affects cows.

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Speaker 12: As it's cattle, it can't be past your humans. But

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Speaker 12: it's fatal for cattle spread by insects, flies, mosquitoes. Now,

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Speaker 12: what the French government have done since they discovered this

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Speaker 12: first case back in June, they have been quite heavy handed,

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Speaker 12: the farmers are saying, in imposing the culling of herds

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Speaker 12: in which there are cases of this disease among the cattle.

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Speaker 12: Now farmers are saying, hey, surely you don't need to

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Speaker 12: cull all of the herd. This is terrible. Farmers already

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Speaker 12: having a hard time, and now the French government has said, well,

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Speaker 12: you know, this is what we're doing, but we're also

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Speaker 12: for cows cattle nearby there, say, in about a fifty

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Speaker 12: kilometer radius. They are going to be vaccinating those cattle. Now,

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Speaker 12: so far they're vaccinated one million, there's another million to go,

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Speaker 12: they say. But they're saying, you know, farmers are just saying, look,

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Speaker 12: you know, this is just heavy handed. Culling is not

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Speaker 12: only bad for the industry, bad for farmers, but it's

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Speaker 12: a terrible thing for a farmer to have to look

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Speaker 12: at at the end of the day that the government

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Speaker 12: is saying, look if unchecked, this could affect about one

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Speaker 12: and a half million cattle in France and it's about

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Speaker 12: ten percent of the national herd. And they so they're

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Speaker 12: quite prepared to sit down and talk about it, but

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Speaker 12: for the time being they're going to follow the lead

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Speaker 12: of Italy and also Spain. And when there is even

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Speaker 12: just one affected cow in the herd, then the whole

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Speaker 12: lot gets Lord, it's rough.

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Speaker 4: Now where are we at with the EU deciding whether

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Speaker 4: the plant based foods can be sold as burgers or sets,

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Speaker 4: sausages or steak or whatnot.

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Speaker 12: They come't they cannot decide whether who is that complicated?

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Speaker 12: Is it burger or burger? Is the sausages?

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Speaker 3: Is a steak a steak?

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Speaker 12: Now they've been asked to decide is it a veggie burger?

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Speaker 12: Is it our vegan sausages? Vegan sausages? Essentially, what the

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Speaker 12: big farming lobbies are saying that you've got to protect

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Speaker 12: meat names, label it as it is, keep the tradition,

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Speaker 12: keep clarity, preserve the true meaning of a sausage, true

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Speaker 12: meaning of a burger. Now you plant based foods, they say,

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Speaker 12: should not be sold as making meat. They're potentially different.

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Speaker 12: So but you know, and did you even see last

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Speaker 12: week we had former beetle Paul McCartney came out and

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Speaker 12: said let veggie burgers be. That was just incredible. Now

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Speaker 12: the big retail is in Germany, which is Europe's largest

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Speaker 12: market for these plant based foods, have said, listen, just

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Speaker 12: let it go. Consumers know all about this. Days have

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Speaker 12: moved on, Consumers know what they're buying. There's a whole

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Speaker 12: broad package of measures that protect these food is that

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Speaker 12: properly labeled?

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Speaker 5: Let it go?

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Speaker 12: But no, HEATHERA is all going to have to go

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Speaker 12: back to the drawing board next year, and they're gonna

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Speaker 12: have to come back together and then decide, of course

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Speaker 12: whether or not included in that list, whether liver or

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Speaker 12: remain liver and ham for remain od sake.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Catherine, there has to be a correlation, doesn't

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Speaker 4: there between a society getting this worked up about words

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Speaker 4: and its own downfall.

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Speaker 12: Don't you think it does seem odd that after all

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Speaker 12: these years, that when we've had plant based foods on

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Speaker 12: our supermarket shelves, that and there's so much else happening

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Speaker 12: in Europe at the moment, you all know.

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Speaker 3: Like war.

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Speaker 4: Listen, Katherine, can I just say thank you very much

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Speaker 4: because I realized this is the last time for the

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Speaker 4: year that you're going to be on the Mike Hostling

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Speaker 4: Breakfast Show. So thank you for you know, from my perspective,

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Speaker 4: obviously mostly listening, it has been a delight to listen

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Speaker 4: to you, and I'm sure for Mike it's been a

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Speaker 4: delight to chat to you.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for the year.

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Speaker 12: Oh, thank you, and I hope you have a lovely Christmas.

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Speaker 12: And I missed that New Zealand summer.

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Speaker 4: Oh well, you know, come back and have have a

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Speaker 4: who it's still here, casin Field, France correspondent. Listen Helmut Marco.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you've caught this, but he's this

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Speaker 4: is the outgoing red Bull chief. He reckons Max for

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Speaker 4: stapp and he's had a little word about this and

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Speaker 4: said Max for Stappan would have won this year's championship

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Speaker 4: had Christian Horner left earlier. Simply they should have got

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Speaker 4: rid of Horner sooner. We would have gotten things back

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Speaker 4: on track faster. This year Max would have become the

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Speaker 4: world champion. I'm absolutely convinced of it. Those last years

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Speaker 4: with Horner weren't pleasant. Dirty tricks were played, he said,

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Speaker 4: ten away from seven.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Ellen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast We're the

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Speaker 2: defender and used Tom sad b.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I've got a.

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Speaker 4: Toading a city council this morning. Now I've got to

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Speaker 4: call them out for this. And I don't want to

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Speaker 4: be harsh to toting a city council because I know,

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Speaker 4: I know, you know there's good people working in city councils.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know it's surprising to hear that, but

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Speaker 3: it is the case.

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Speaker 4: But what's happened is, if you haven't been keeping abreast

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Speaker 4: of this, there has been quite the kerfuffle going on

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Speaker 4: in toadunger about the asphalt. Because of what's gone on

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Speaker 4: is the developers, originally in various parts of the city

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Speaker 4: like Pappamore, laid all the streets with asphalt as they

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Speaker 4: made it really nice and people buy it, you know,

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Speaker 4: try sell the houses and stuff. But of course a

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Speaker 4: road only lasts so long, a street only lasts so long,

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Speaker 4: and then you've got to reseal it. And toting a

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Speaker 4: city council doesn't have as much money as the developers

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Speaker 4: because you know, it's a council. So it's decided to

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Speaker 4: go for the cheaper option of resealing it with chipseeal.

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Speaker 4: Now you know, the cost benefit analysis of chipseeal apparently

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Speaker 4: totally makes it, totally makes sense. But of course the

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Speaker 4: residents don't love it because now you kids can't ride

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Speaker 4: their skateboards on the street, and it's noisy outside, and

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Speaker 4: there's stones being flicked up, and the whole thing is

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Speaker 4: more unpleasant.

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Speaker 3: So they've been complaining about it.

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Speaker 4: Toting a city council has struck a compromise with them,

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Speaker 4: which I think is toting a city council playing silly buggers.

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Speaker 4: They have just written to about four hundred households of

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Speaker 4: seven Toadunger streets and told them, happy to.

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Speaker 3: Lay the asphalt if that's what you want, Happy to do.

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Speaker 4: It, if you could just confirm by December nineteen, which

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Speaker 4: is this week, this Friday, that you'll prepare to pay

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Speaker 4: four thousand, one hundred dollars by January twelve.

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Speaker 3: Happy to do that.

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Speaker 4: Now, who has got who's just like over Christmas time?

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Speaker 4: Yet banks sweet has no problem. Here's four thousand dollars

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Speaker 4: you send to your council. That's not going to happen.

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Speaker 4: But even more so, how could you possibly expect that

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Speaker 4: one hundred percent of the four hundred plus properties are

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Speaker 4: going to pat You can see that's not going to happen,

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Speaker 4: right Todunger City Council knows that's not going to happen,

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Speaker 4: so they game. They're just playing pretend. I think the

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Speaker 4: people of todong I just need to get used to

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Speaker 4: the idea. That's the chip sal coming at you six

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Speaker 4: away from seven.

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Speaker 1: All the ins and the outs.

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Speaker 2: It's the biz with business fiber, take your business productivity

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Speaker 2: to the next level.

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Speaker 3: Okay, do these numbers surprise you?

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Speaker 4: The Public Health Communications Center has provided a briefing on

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Speaker 4: cycle ways that they say show cycle ways provide positive

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Speaker 4: economic returns alongside health and safety benefits. Now, as part

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Speaker 4: of the briefing, they surveyed kiwis on their thoughts on

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Speaker 4: cycle ways.

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Speaker 3: Forty one percent of us said we would support.

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Speaker 4: More investment into cycle ways. Thirty five percent of us

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Speaker 4: said nah, don't spend any more on them. Crucially, though,

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Speaker 4: twenty four percent said they were either neutral or unsure,

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Speaker 4: So that is a big chunk that could swing it

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Speaker 4: either way. Cycle Ways were more popular and more investment

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Speaker 4: was wanted among these groups. Younger people, Maori other ethnic

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Speaker 4: groups and those in the higher income brackets.

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Speaker 3: There was also higher levels.

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Speaker 4: Of support among those who considered themselves center left voters.

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Speaker 4: None of that, of course, in the latter part of

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Speaker 4: that surprises you. It's just the forty one percent the

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Speaker 4: plurality who want more investment in the cycle ways, which

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Speaker 4: probably we would want.

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Speaker 3: To interrogate a little bit more, wouldn't we.

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Speaker 4: Hither, I can't believe your ignorance around naming artificial meat.

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Speaker 4: Already in some countries artificial meats are getting passed off

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Speaker 4: as real animal protein. Farmers have a right to protect

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Speaker 4: their industry and the okay, my problem with it is

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Speaker 4: if you have a plant based product that looks like

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Speaker 4: a patty and is designed to be a replacement of

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Speaker 4: a patty in a burger, like here I am with

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Speaker 4: my That's all I'm doing, by the way, is my

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Speaker 4: little beef burger with my beef patty. But you want

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Speaker 4: to eat a burger and you want to not have meat,

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Speaker 4: and so you're gonna put a plast backplant, then surely

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Speaker 4: to god it makes sense that we call it a

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Speaker 4: plant based patty. We go, this is a patty that's

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Speaker 4: not really a patty made of meat, and surely as

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Speaker 4: adults we can see the difference. Like, I don't know

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Speaker 4: about you, but if you see a plant based steak,

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Speaker 4: like you're going to look at that and go, what

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Speaker 4: the hell's wrong?

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Speaker 3: That's what that nah? So I think you can kind

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Speaker 3: of use your common sense.

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Speaker 4: I just think if we're going to get this tied

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Speaker 4: up about words, we're really focusing on the wrong thing.

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Speaker 4: As Catherine said, Hello, there's potentially a war about to happen.

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Speaker 3: How about you focus on that.

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Speaker 4: And this is why they wanted this is why the

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Speaker 4: UK wanted to get out of the EU. You can

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Speaker 4: sort of understand it anyway, listen. One of the things

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Speaker 4: that has emerged as a result of the Bonde shooting,

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Speaker 4: of course, is the questions around intelligence. The Israelis claim

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Speaker 4: that there may be links through to Iran and that

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Speaker 4: Iran was behind this. Will have a chat to a

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Speaker 4: security expert and just get a sense of whether that

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Speaker 4: is true or not. But also Charles Croutcher, our Australia correspondent,

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Speaker 4: will just run us through the latest m BONDAI and

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Speaker 4: in Australia News TALGSB.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 4: Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi has announced tougher gun laws

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Speaker 4: following the Bondi terror attack. Charles Croucher is Channel nine's

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Speaker 4: chief political editor and is with.

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Speaker 1: Us morning Charles Morning.

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Speaker 19: Ever.

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Speaker 4: Okay, what are we talking about here? Limiting the number

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Speaker 4: of guns, checking gun owners more regularly.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, that's the two headline ones, particularly following one of

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Speaker 20: the attackers that appears to have normally just been a

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Speaker 20: license gun owner but owned six licensed guns. Now, the

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Speaker 20: argument from the Prime Minister and the state premiers is

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Speaker 20: that's just too many without justifiable reasons. So that will

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Speaker 20: be part of the restrictions, cutting down on the number

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Speaker 20: of guns someone can known. There's also be more regular

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Speaker 20: checks on those good licenses. And one other sort of

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Speaker 20: element God added towards the end of the discussions in

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Speaker 20: National Cap yesterday was you have to be an Australian

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Speaker 20: citizen rather than just resident to become an Australian gun owner.

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 4: Okay, what are the questions that are likely to be

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Speaker 4: asked about the competence of the intelligence agencies here.

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Speaker 20: Well, it's a couple of questions. Firstly, what was missed?

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Speaker 20: If anything was missed? Mike Burgess, our AZO, that is,

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Speaker 20: our secret intelligence organization boss has been warning about the

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Speaker 20: potential for anti Semitic attacks for a while now our

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Speaker 20: terror threat level was it probable? But the question is

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Speaker 20: how do you were their red flags? Were there anything

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Speaker 20: of interest among these two men? One of them had

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Speaker 20: been investigated for some peripheral preferral links to Islamic state,

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Speaker 20: but that's six or seven years ago. So did they

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Speaker 20: drop off the with the checks not frequent enough? And

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Speaker 20: then clearly there was planning that went into this. Is

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Speaker 20: it something that was just known by the two men?

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Speaker 20: What to the rest of their family know and their associates, colleagues, etc.

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Speaker 20: And then obviously the big challenge how to prevent something

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Speaker 20: like this happening again? I mean New Zealand is all

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Speaker 20: tool where sadly of the confusion that happens in an

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Speaker 20: event like this, and the not not blame game, but

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Speaker 20: just the questions that are left unanswered of how in

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Speaker 20: countries like ours people can be driven to such hate

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Speaker 20: and such horrible actions.

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Speaker 4: How much trouble is Anthony Albinizi and his government and

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Speaker 4: for sitting on that anti Semitism and Envoys report for

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Speaker 4: about six months and doing nothing.

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Speaker 20: It's a flashpoint. I mean, there was a couple of

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Speaker 20: changes made. I went through Jillian Siegel's report again yesterday

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Speaker 20: to see if there were anything in there. The question

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Speaker 20: that can't be answered by particularly those really critical of

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Speaker 20: the Prime Minister at the moment, is what actual change

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Speaker 20: could have been made that could have prevented this. There

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Speaker 20: is a discussion of greater infrastructure and greater protection around

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Speaker 20: Jewish institutions, given this untaker event was happening in an

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Speaker 20: unusual place in a park. Effectively, this is a celebration.

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Speaker 20: Could security have been better, clearly it could have, but

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Speaker 20: even that wasn't a specifically spelled out in beyond Boys reports.

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Speaker 20: So there will be big questions. I mean that the

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Speaker 20: number one job of the governments to keep their citizens

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Speaker 20: safe and that has clearly failed this time around. Whether

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Speaker 20: there is a long lasting impact on the Prime Minister not,

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Speaker 20: But it will be largely defined by what the actions

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Speaker 20: are taken in the coming days and weeks. And I

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Speaker 20: think beyond all the tragedy. The Prime Minister was fully

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Speaker 20: aware of that yesterday when he called that many national

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Speaker 20: cad In terms of a response in gun laws for

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Speaker 20: the gold standard in Australia was John howard response to

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Speaker 20: port Arthur a generation ago that the semi automatic rifles

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Speaker 20: were banned. So I think that's what everyone's expecting something

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Speaker 20: similar this time around, with various the scope to do

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Speaker 20: something as bold, it's probably not, but some action, some

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Speaker 20: effort to prevent this from happening again is necessary.

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Speaker 3: Charles, it's good to talk to you. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Look after yourself. That's Charles Croucher, nine News chief Political.

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Speaker 1: Editor Kell du for see alis.

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Speaker 12: So.

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Speaker 3: Questions are of.

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Speaker 4: Course being raised about possible intelligence failings. As was just mentioned,

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Speaker 4: the Sun was across the radar of the Domestic Spy

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Speaker 4: Agency AZO as early as October twenty nineteen. They decided

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Speaker 4: though he was not a threat.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Michael Zacculin is the senior Lecturer of Terrorism and

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Speaker 4: Radicalization at the Australian National University.

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Speaker 3: Morning, Michael, Hi, how are you very well? Thank you?

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Speaker 4: Deciding he was not a threat in retrospect was a

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Speaker 4: massive misjudgment.

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Speaker 3: How did they get it?

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Speaker 20: So wrong.

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Speaker 16: Well, you have to take into account the fact that

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Speaker 16: that at the time they're probably watching dozens and dozens

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Speaker 16: of people, and so basically you have to make decisions

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Speaker 16: about who you believe eve is the most relevant threat

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Speaker 16: at that time, and in this case, he didn't meet

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Speaker 16: that criteria. And unfortunately, this is something that we've seen

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Speaker 16: time and time again if you go back and look

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Speaker 16: over the past sort of a couple of years in

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Speaker 16: other countries as well, is that often these individuals are

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Speaker 16: known or on the periphery for police or in law

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Speaker 16: enforcement and intelligence agencies. But the reality is is that

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Speaker 16: they're having to watch so many people and make decisions,

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Speaker 16: and other people are deemed to be more of a threat.

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Speaker 4: Does this I mean, does this mean that he took

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Speaker 4: whatever it was that he was consuming that radicalized him

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Speaker 4: offline so that whatever he was doing online wasn't triggering

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Speaker 4: the intelligence guys.

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Speaker 16: Oh, well, that depends. I mean. One of the things

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Speaker 16: that's very interesting about this case is the fact that

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Speaker 16: the father and son duo. The key is going to

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Speaker 16: be what happened sort of within that family. So was

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Speaker 16: this a case where the father also had extremist beliefs

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Speaker 16: and throughout this entire person's childhood. They were sort of,

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Speaker 16: It's less likely, but it's also possible that the son

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Speaker 16: sort of brought the father along. If you think about

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Speaker 16: the relationship between a father and son, just like sort

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Speaker 16: of any relationship, there's a power dynamic there and we

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Speaker 16: have seen that previously in other cases. You talk about

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Speaker 16: the Boston bombers, for example, who were brothers and one

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Speaker 16: was clearly radicalized and then brought the other brother along.

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Speaker 16: In Canada, there's the case of the Cotter family in

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Speaker 16: the two thousands, where essentially the father dragged along all

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Speaker 16: of his children into extremism. So it does happen, but

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Speaker 16: that's gonna be one of the interesting dynamics that they're

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Speaker 16: going to have to sort out is what was going

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Speaker 16: on within that family.

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Speaker 4: There are claims that Iran may have been involved in

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Speaker 4: this in some way or but behind it is that

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Speaker 4: likely to be nonsense or to be possible.

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Speaker 16: Well, you're going to you know, look under every stone

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Speaker 16: and to make the determination. There have been suggestions here

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Speaker 16: that some of the earlier anti semitism attacks over the

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Speaker 16: past sort of a year or so involved relationship between

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Speaker 16: members of the IRG, the Revolutionary Garden Iran and organized crime.

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Speaker 16: Here again the extent to what that is, you know,

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Speaker 16: how high up these people are in the food chain

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Speaker 16: are sort of either way formally or informally. That hasn't

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Speaker 16: become public yet. But again you're going to turn over

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Speaker 16: sort of every single, every single storm to make a

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Speaker 4: All right, Hey, Michael, thank you, Doctor Michael Zaculan, Senior

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Speaker 4: lecturer of Tourism and Radicalization at Australian National University.

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Speaker 1: Heather Dupasy got some new information.

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Speaker 4: On the Tom Phillips documentary that is being filmed by

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Speaker 4: Dame Julie Christi. The working title this is, according to

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Speaker 4: some documents the Heralds managed to obtain from police working

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Speaker 4: title the matter Korpa project expected to screen on an

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Speaker 4: international streaming platform like Netflix Disney. The police have in

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Speaker 4: signing the contract with Dame Julie Christie managed to secure

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Speaker 4: the ability to preview the documentary and to edit the documentary.

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Speaker 3: Now that's fine whatever.

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Speaker 4: However, what you should be aware and I'm not saying

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Speaker 4: that they're going to try to skew things to kind

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Speaker 4: of cast themselves in the best light here, but it

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Speaker 4: does leave that open as an availability, right. So it's

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Speaker 4: a little bit like Clark being in charge of the

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Speaker 4: Justinda documentary. You sort of get one view of things

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Speaker 4: if you're in charge of it. They do need to

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Speaker 4: this is Dame Julie Christie, and then they need to

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Speaker 4: seek the arrangement of family members in order to make

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Speaker 4: sure that they want to be part of this. The

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Speaker 4: documentary will screen in twenty twenty seven at the absolute earliest.

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Speaker 3: Importantly, it is subject to court proceedings.

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Speaker 2: Quarter past The Mike Asking Breakfast Fall Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: At be.

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Speaker 3: Governments opening the books today.

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Speaker 4: Obviously a big thing we're looking for there is where

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Speaker 4: the surplus gets pushed out by another year. So Steven Joyce,

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Speaker 4: former Finance Minister, will be in studio with us after

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Speaker 4: half past. It's eighteen past seven now. Spira Thought for

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Speaker 4: Students job Hunting at the moment got new data from

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Speaker 4: Student Job Search which shows there were nearly fifty thousand

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Speaker 4: applications in November that is up thirteen percent year on year.

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Speaker 4: Luis Avaca is the chief executive of Student Job Search.

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Speaker 3: And is with US now. Hi Louise Mary Mate. That

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Speaker 3: sounds a bit demoralizing, is it.

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Speaker 21: Well, look, it's fantastic to see so many applications coming in.

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Speaker 21: Students are keen and eager to work, and the job

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Speaker 21: market itself is recovering. So there are four two hundred

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Speaker 21: jobs available for students in November, which is also up

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Speaker 21: fifteen percent compared to twenty twenty four. So when we're

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Speaker 21: talking about the volume at the tail end of twenty

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Speaker 21: twenty five, we're continuing to see really strong recovery around

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Speaker 21: the volume for student employment. But the main issue, or

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Speaker 21: the flip side of this is that the student employment

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Speaker 21: landscape has completely changed, and while we have the volumes

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Speaker 21: back to pre COVID levels, the nature of the employments

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Speaker 21: shifted to more short term and casual work, which means

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Speaker 21: students need even more jobs to make up the necessary

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Speaker 21: hours to fund their study in life.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, if I'm looking for a silver lining here,

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Speaker 4: would it be that this kind of tough process separates

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Speaker 4: the whek from the chaff and sort of teaches you

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Speaker 4: how to sell yourself to an employer.

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Speaker 21: Well potentially, and students are so eager you can see

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Speaker 21: from the level of applications that students are really keen

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Speaker 21: to be working. They're absolutely fantastic resource, they're innovative, fantastic

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Speaker 21: problem solvers, they're just brilliant. We just hired six recently

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Speaker 21: at Student Job Search and they just lifted the place

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Speaker 21: so incredible. They're really hard working, diligent, they got.

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Speaker 3: The job done.

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Speaker 4: What do you guys give the kids advice on how

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Speaker 4: to land a job? And if you do, what is

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Speaker 4: the key piece of advice we do?

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Speaker 21: And we really encourage students at this tough time to

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Speaker 21: just keep persisting. You jump on our websites, continue to

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Speaker 21: apply for jobs, sharpen up the CV work networks, and

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Speaker 21: just possessed and take on any opportunity. What we know

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Speaker 21: is that once students get a start, then it often

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Speaker 21: leads to more work or something else down the line.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very good advice, Louise, Thanks very much, Louis Savaca,

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Speaker 4: chief executive at Student Job Search. Right, let's get back

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Speaker 1: Ever, dup cl whether I saw the clip.

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Speaker 4: Of the Bondi father and son shooters, and I was

899
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Speaker 4: surprised at the speed that the father was working, the

900
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Speaker 4: volt of the bolt action rifle.

901
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Speaker 3: He was using.

902
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Speaker 4: It seems that it's possible he may have had some training,

903
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 4: which has been suggested by people who have had a

904
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Speaker 4: look at the video as well and said, this guy

905
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Speaker 4: knows what he's doing. Seven twenty four Now, on the

906
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Speaker 4: businesses of Australia tightening up its gun laws, it does

907
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 4: feel a little bit like this runs the risk of

908
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Speaker 4: distracting from the bigger problem that they've actually got over there.

909
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 4: I mean, I think guns were not the biggest problem

910
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 4: on Sunday. Australia already has some of the tightest gun

911
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 4: laws in the world. This is actually a race relations

912
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Speaker 4: and religious problem over there. This attack was predictable. There

913
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 4: was no shortage of warnings that this might happen. Jewish

914
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Speaker 4: synagogues in the last few years have been set alight.

915
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Speaker 4: You've had the synagogues attacked, the businesses attacked, obviously Jewish people,

916
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Speaker 4: people who look obviously Jewish have been hassled. Israeli people

917
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Speaker 4: have been denied customer service. In Melbourne, cars have been

918
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Speaker 4: set alight in an anti Semitic attack. Two nurses, you

919
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 4: might recall in Sydney lost their jobs for bragging on

920
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 4: TikTok that they would kill Jewish patients. Now there is

921
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Speaker 4: a timeline that Time magazine has printed on its website

922
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Speaker 4: of all of the events in the last few years

923
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Speaker 4: leading up to Sunday, and it is actually confronting how

924
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Speaker 4: much has been going on. The Albanesi government knew there

925
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Speaker 4: was a problem brewing. They asked the Special Envoy on

926
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Speaker 4: Anti Semitism to give them a set of recommendations. For

927
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Speaker 4: the last six months that they've had those recommendations, they've

928
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Speaker 4: done basically nothing about it. So tightening up the gun

929
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Speaker 4: laws is what they're doing as a knee jerk thing.

930
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Speaker 3: Now, that is not a bad thing.

931
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Speaker 4: Checking up a license holder every few years rather than never,

932
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Speaker 4: it has got to be a good thing. But if

933
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Speaker 4: the Aussies think that what's just been announced is the

934
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Speaker 4: fix for what has just happened on Sunday, they are

935
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Speaker 4: misguided and they are allowing themselves to be distracted from

936
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Speaker 4: what is a very very big problem in their country. Ever,

937
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Speaker 4: do for see Ellen One of the very interesting things

938
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Speaker 4: that we were actually watching happen yesterday and didn't have

939
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Speaker 4: time to mention it was that, like almost immediately, social

940
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Speaker 4: media started pumping out fake stories about the Bondi shooting.

941
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Speaker 4: The most interesting one, I think was the fake story

942
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Speaker 4: about who the hero was, the guy who disarmed the shooter.

943
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Speaker 4: The fact that he was actually himself an Arab from

944
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Speaker 4: originally from Syria was erased and so instead of being

945
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Speaker 4: Ahmed al Ahmed, social media said it was a chap

946
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Speaker 4: with an English name Edward Crabtree. And somehow some body

947
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 4: or social media or AI god only knows, had concocted

948
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Speaker 4: an entirely fake article about the sky and he turned

949
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Speaker 4: into a forty three year old IT professional who was

950
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Speaker 4: in hospital and was giving an interview from the hospital

951
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Speaker 4: bed and talking about how he didn't think and he

952
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Speaker 4: just acted and what. Anyway, the article was from Iceland,

953
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Speaker 4: not even in Australia. The other fake story was that

954
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Speaker 4: the shooter was a former soldier in the IDF, the

955
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Speaker 4: Israeli Defense Force, who'd lost his mind after being stationed

956
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Speaker 4: in Gaza or third fake story is that it was

957
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Speaker 4: a false flag operation being done by Israel in order

958
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Speaker 4: to kind of whip up.

959
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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know sympathy for Jewish people anyway.

960
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Speaker 4: If you came across any of those three stories, not

961
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Speaker 4: real news togs aad beast Ephen Joyce.

962
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Speaker 2: Next, no fluff, just facts and fierce debate to hit

963
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Speaker 2: the dupe. See Allen on the mic Hosking Breakfast, where

964
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Speaker 2: the defender embraced the impossible news togs.

965
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Speaker 1: Hea'd be right.

966
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Speaker 3: You're the comedian Tom Sainsbury.

967
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Speaker 4: He's got himself a little TV show based on one

968
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Speaker 4: of his podcasts, and he's going to be with us

969
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 4: after eight o'clock. Right now, it is twenty three away

970
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 4: from eight. The government's going to open the books today

971
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Speaker 4: with a half year economic and fiscal update at one

972
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Speaker 4: o'clock this afternoon. Sounds like there is a chance we

973
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 4: could get be surprised to the positive, but it sounds

974
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Speaker 4: like there is a chance that Nikola Willis is going

975
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Speaker 4: to push the surplus out yes again in Stephen Joy's,

976
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Speaker 4: former finance minister, is with us in studio.

977
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: Morning Stephen morning, how are you. I'm very well, thank you,

978
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 3: thanks so much for coming in. It's lovely to see you.

979
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: Now.

980
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Speaker 3: How do you rate the chance she pushes out surplus.

981
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: Oh look, she might.

982
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 13: It doesn't matter too much either way. And I say that,

983
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 13: which just sounds weird. But as Bill English used to say,

984
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 13: you know, just getting to surplus is it's like landing

985
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 13: a seven four seven on an aircraft carrier. The actual

986
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 13: moment of arrival of surplus one year earlier, one year later,

987
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 13: there is such big numbers that it's the difference between

988
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 13: two very big numbers as to whether you're actually in surplus.

989
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 13: So I think more more important is the direction of travel.

990
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 13: Is are we bending down the cost of government? And

991
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 13: is revenue coming up now, whether it's twenty seven eight,

992
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 13: twenty eight, twenty nine, twenty nine thirty. Finally, it's probably

993
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 13: not going to make.

994
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: You don't think the pace of travel is really important?

995
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 13: To say, the pace of travel is very important. But

996
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 13: one year either way. My point is that one year

997
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 13: either way at all.

998
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 4: But the reason I'm asking you that because if it

999
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Speaker 4: happens again, it's not one year either way, it's three

1000
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 4: years either way, because it will be that Nikola has

1001
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 4: pushed it out by three years in total in the

1002
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Speaker 4: space of two years, which.

1003
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 13: I well, But again a couple of things. The size

1004
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 13: of the increase of spending was phenomenal. I mean, if

1005
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 13: you look at a graph which shows spending when I

1006
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 13: left office, you know it was like twenty The debt

1007
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 13: was twenty percent of GDP and now it's forty five

1008
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 13: in the forties. Yeah, So the amount of ramping up

1009
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 13: of expenditure of the government I don't think has We've

1010
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 13: got similar things in the living memory. So then you've

1011
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 13: got to try and bend that down. And with the best.

1012
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 4: Weemed it, why not cut it? If it's gone up

1013
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 4: so fast, like, up so high so fast, can you

1014
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 4: not bring it down just as as fast?

1015
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 13: And that's the that's the Ruth Richardson argument. I know,

1016
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 13: absolutely and yeah, and you could do more, but you

1017
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 13: get very quickly to teach us salaries and health salaries.

1018
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 13: That's because they're big chunks, right, and you can do

1019
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 13: a bit in the structure in Wellington, and they are

1020
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 13: I would argue probably early on they should have done more,

1021
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 13: but they were probably getting their heads around the whole

1022
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 13: place because they were new. That's not an excuse, but

1023
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 13: I'm just saying that it takes a while to wrestle

1024
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 13: the beast, so they could have done more in that

1025
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 13: but you know Wellington's Wellington's been in desperate negative economic

1026
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 13: straits for a while even with what they've done, so

1027
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 13: it is it is challenging to wrestle that machine down

1028
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 13: once it's got up such a huge head of steam.

1029
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 13: Now it's currently expenditures running about thirty two percent of

1030
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 13: thirty about thirty two percent of GDP or it's heading

1031
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 13: towards that way now. We had it down at about

1032
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 13: twenty nine, so it's about three percent.

1033
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 17: Is that core expenditure, that's government.

1034
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 13: Expenditure, core expenditure. So it's got to get back to

1035
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 13: around that under thirty level, and that does take time. Now,

1036
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 13: if you remember, take Bill English's time as Finance Minister.

1037
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 13: He had eight of the nine years I got. The

1038
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 13: last one he spent eight years after the Canterbury earthquakes

1039
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 13: and the GFC wrestling that thing back into surplus. And

1040
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 13: some of the commentators go on like he never had

1041
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 13: a surplus. Well, he did all the hard work, and

1042
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 13: they say, oh, Stephen Joyce had a surplus. Yeah, and

1043
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 13: that was lucky because after the eight years of hard work,

1044
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 13: I reaped the benefit of it. It takes a huge

1045
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 13: amount of time. Now, none of this has excuses. Yes,

1046
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 13: I've got to keep the pressure on. But then on

1047
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 13: the other side of the aisle there's you know, there's

1048
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 13: an outfit that really wants to get back and to

1049
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 13: spend some more money again, and they're trying to be

1050
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 13: sensible about it, but the reality is they would spend more.

1051
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 13: This is a big job to wrestle this thing under

1052
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 13: control today is not going to make anybody excited in

1053
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 13: a positive way. Taxpayers' Union is going to go out,

1054
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 13: It should be happening faster. The Left will be either

1055
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 13: keeping very quiet or criticizing the moves that have been made.

1056
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 13: So Nikola Willis has just got to put her head

1057
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 13: down and this is the hard yards, and the hard

1058
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 13: yards are going to run for another couple of years.

1059
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, we've got also this week, excuse me, I've

1060
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 4: got the GDP. And obviously we're expecting a big bounce

1061
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 4: back in Q three after what was terrible in Q two.

1062
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 4: But the revision of Q two I think might be

1063
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 4: a really interesting yan as well. Are you expecting a

1064
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 4: big revision here?

1065
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 13: Not particularly, And the quarterly figures do bounce around a lot.

1066
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 13: We know it was a pretty average year. We know

1067
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 13: next year is going to be better. The question is

1068
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 13: how much?

1069
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: What do you think.

1070
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 13: I think it'll be a bit better. There's a couple

1071
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 13: of things that worry me. There's the American economy and

1072
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 13: something weird happening there, because there's plenty weird happening at

1073
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 13: the moment, so that's a possibility. And then the other

1074
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 13: one that worries me a little bit as a state

1075
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 13: of the energy sector. And I think we've gone quiet

1076
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 13: on that because it's summer and it's not an issue.

1077
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 13: But I suspect we're going to have more challenges with

1078
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 13: electricity prices and the availability of energy at a reasonable price,

1079
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 13: and that's going to be a bit of a handbrake

1080
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 13: on the economic recovery. But I think overall will get better.

1081
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 13: But it's not going to help the government's fiscal books

1082
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 13: yet because that's that's all trailing. So the tax take

1083
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 13: and the decline and things like benefit payments doesn't happen

1084
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 13: until the economy's really back on its feet, so the

1085
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 13: government's not going to reap the benefit of that next

1086
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 13: year yet.

1087
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 3: So would you say next year is good?

1088
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 4: Because this is Simon Bridges argument, is that, yep, we're

1089
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 4: going to have an improvement, but it is not going

1090
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 4: to be blockbuster, and you need to good your loins

1091
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 4: and calm your farm.

1092
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 3: It's going to feel a bit hard.

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Speaker 13: It won't be a blockbuster, but it will feel pretty

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Speaker 13: good relative for the last year.

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Speaker 3: I think it will feel good.

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Speaker 13: We'll feel a lot better than the last three years.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 13: It's been really tough. A lot of businesses have done

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Speaker 13: it really really tough over the last three or four

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Speaker 13: years since COVID. Basically they had that sugar rush and

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00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 13: they had problems with supply and you know, a lot

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00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 13: of balance sheets have been very badly damage. And that's

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Speaker 13: one of the reasons we haven't gone well out of

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00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 13: this last recession is that a lot of companies had

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00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 13: much worse balance sheets than they had, say after the GFC,

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Speaker 13: and so they've struggled to get on their feet and

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00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 13: invest in the future. They're now starting to do that.

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00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 13: Confidence is starting to build. But yeah, it's going to

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Speaker 13: be it's going to be better, but not it's not

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Speaker 13: going to be a rockstar economy to a corner raise.

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Speaker 3: Not for a while, but hopefully soon. Now, have you

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00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 3: got anything nice planned for summer?

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00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 13: Yeap, sit on a beach have the family around for

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Speaker 13: Christmas in all.

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Speaker 3: And arllmal stuff brilliant.

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Speaker 4: I'm so pleased to hear it. You take yourself a

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00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 4: lovely break and thank you for coming in. Stephen tret

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Speaker 4: to chat you.

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Speaker 3: Steven Joyce, former Finance Minister. Sixteen away from eight The.

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Speaker 2: Vike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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Speaker 2: News Talks at be Either.

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Speaker 4: It's so wonderful to here Stephen Joyce again, it was

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Speaker 4: nice to have a Jatum mayhither. Is there any word

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00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 4: from Chloe or the Greens about the attacks now? Look, no,

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00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 4: nothing just yet. And I think while I just feel

1126
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 4: like it is important to reiterate this, this has got

1127
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 4: nothing What's happened in Australia has got nothing to do

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Speaker 4: with us A. It's got nothing to do with the

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Speaker 4: Green Party. It's got nothing to do with what's going

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00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 4: on in this country. This is not an US problem. However,

1131
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 4: it does kind of There are fair questions to ask

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00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 4: here about the tolerance that we have had as Western

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00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 4: liberal democracies for some of the stuff that gets said

1134
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 4: at some of these protests, and Chloe has been name

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00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 4: checked for not calling out quite radical things like people

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00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 4: who have banners, display banners or say globalize the Intofada,

1137
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 4: which you know, if you don't know what that means,

1138
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 4: it basically means, you know, kill Jewish people around the world.

1139
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 4: Not calling that out then is a tolerance for it,

1140
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 4: and so questions probably need to be asked about, like

1141
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 4: you need to tone down because the Greens need to

1142
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 4: tone down the retric in this stuff.

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Speaker 20: Right.

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00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 4: So anyway, no, she hasn't spoken about it. She will though,

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Speaker 4: of course it's a sitting day in Parliament today, it's

1146
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 4: the first sitting day of the week. She will presumably

1147
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 4: be doing the bridgewalk that they do at two o'clock

1148
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 4: or harpus one or whatever it is, and be asked

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00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 4: some questions about it.

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00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 3: So stand by to hear from her today.

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Speaker 4: I'd imagine, listen, got to tell you about this weird

1152
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 4: thing that's happening in the US. Apparently really really really

1153
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 4: wealthy like billionaire level wealthy Chinese businessmen are having hundreds

1154
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 4: and hundreds of surrogates in the US, and not hundreds

1155
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 4: and hundreds each, but in some cases some of them

1156
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 4: are having up to one hundred surrogate babies in the US.

1157
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 4: Now we know about this because this has been going

1158
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 4: through the courts in the US for a couple of years,

1159
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 4: and for the first time one of the judge's decisions

1160
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 4: has been reported by media over there, and it's the

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00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 4: case of a video game executive whose name is Jubo,

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00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 4: who's had a hundred kids, and he went to court

1163
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 4: seeking parental rights to four of these unborn children, and

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00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 4: the courts have declined. They said, na, you actually do

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00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 4: not have the right of a parent to these children.

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00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 4: You've had nothing, apart from obviously donating your sperm, nothing

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00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 4: to do with them, and it's leaving the kids in

1168
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 4: a very legally weird place. He already has these four

1169
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 4: that are being born, has another eight that they know of,

1170
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 4: and potentially up to one hundred. He said he wants

1171
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 4: to have all of the boys the children be boys,

1172
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 4: because boys are superior to girls, and then he wants

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Speaker 4: the boys to one day take over his business. And

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00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 4: how this basically runs over the US is that the

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Speaker 4: babies are born via surrogate and then they're raised by

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Speaker 4: Nanni's over there as they await paperwork to travel back

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Speaker 4: to China, and he doesn't meet them at the time.

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00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 4: And this is so like up to the time that

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Speaker 4: they arrive. In China, this is so widespread in the US,

1180
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 4: by the way, there are so many Chinese business people

1181
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 4: who are now doing it. Some of them just you know,

1182
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 4: unable to have children, just want a couple of kids

1183
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 4: like normal people. Some of them doing like kookie things

1184
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 4: like having ten girls because they want to marry them

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00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 4: off to powerful men. So much of this was going

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00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 4: on that there is many a thriving mini industry in

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00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 4: the US. There are surrogacy agencies, law firms, clinics, delivery agencies,

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00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 4: nanny services will pick the newborns up from the hospital

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Speaker 4: as soon as they arrive. Costs up to two hundred

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Speaker 4: thousand dollars per charter. The whole thing is completely nuts

1191
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 4: and has been happening and apparently like underneath everyone's noses.

1192
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 4: No one's even really fully aware of it. But now

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00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 4: that they are, looks like they're going to crack down

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00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 4: on it. And you can see for good reason. How

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Speaker 4: bizarre though, isn't it anyway? Explore next last year of

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Speaker 4: It ten away from Ete.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duper s Allen on the mic asking Breakfast with

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00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 2: Bailey's real estate news talks Eddie.

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Speaker 4: Heather Aren't Boys superior to Girls Mars. Conversation for another time, mate, possible,

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Speaker 4: but definitely a conversation seven away from eight. Now we

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00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 4: have an end of an era for the iconic Splore Festival.

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00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 4: The owners have announced this morning that next that this

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00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 4: year's festival actually will be the last, citing lower than

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00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 4: hoped ticket sales. Now John Minty explores festival owner and

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00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 4: is with us morning.

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Speaker 5: John, Heather, nice to be talking to her this morning.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's lovely to have a chat to you mate,

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00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 4: Thank you, although although on a sad subject, I mean

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00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 4: this must have been a tough call.

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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I've been involved in sport for twenty years and Spores

1212
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 5: has been running twenty seven years, so long it's running

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00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 5: festival in New Zealand. It is a beautiful event. Everyone

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00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 5: that comes and totally enjoys it, and I always had

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00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 5: this vision that it would last forever, long after me.

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00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 5: But yeah, just the last couple of years the market

1217
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 5: seems to have changed. We're not selling sufficient tickets to

1218
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 5: make it financially viable and the writing seemed to be

1219
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 5: on the wall. Tickets have been quite slow this year,

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00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,919
Speaker 5: so I just thought, well, you know, if we can't

1221
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 5: sustain it, let's just wrap it up next year and

1222
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 5: have one big party of celebration.

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Speaker 3: John, are you doing? Are you being premature and making

1224
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 3: this call?

1225
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 4: Because this has been the toughest recession that the country's

1226
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 4: been in decades and decades, and surely when we come

1227
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 4: out the other side and we've got money in our

1228
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 4: pockets again, we'll get into it.

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Speaker 19: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I've been thinking like that, heither, and we've been waiting

1231
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 5: all this year. I think, like all of us, for

1232
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 5: those green shoots and for people to be spending more.

1233
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 5: It's potentially premature. I mean, I could sort of hang

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00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 5: on for another year and just hope things get better

1235
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 5: for next year. But I've got to the point where

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00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 5: I've been involved in spore for twenty years and I

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00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 5: just feel that personally, from a financial point of view,

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00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 5: I just can't really take that risk again hoping that

1239
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 5: things will improve next year. They may or they may not,

1240
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 5: so I don't particularly want to take that risk.

1241
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 3: What do you think?

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00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 4: I mean, you're not obviously the only person who's found

1243
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 4: festivals very very difficult to run in the last few

1244
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 4: years because of the increased costs and the lack of

1245
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 4: cash and stuff.

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon the future of festivals are.

1247
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 5: I do worry about it. I mean, Spore is special

1248
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 5: because it's a three day camping festival, which is quite

1249
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 5: rare now and the benefit of three day camping festival

1250
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 5: it creates a community. People are committed to that whole

1251
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 5: three days that camping, make new friends, people get married

1252
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 5: at s four because they meet future partners. It's spoor,

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Speaker 5: So it's maybe the camping side. It's quite difficult for people.

1254
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 5: I mean, the younger generation are not so much into

1255
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 5: going into tense etc. So maybe it's more of a

1256
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 5: six hour concert in a park, which is more attractive

1257
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 5: as a trend. And I think a lot of it

1258
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 5: is to do with I guess the attractions of certain headliners.

1259
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 5: There is certain acts which attract a crowd, so it's

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00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 5: an easy decision for people to say to go and

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00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 5: see a particular artist, and those artists are increasingly charging two, three,

1262
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 5: four times as much as they used to, so that

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00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 5: scenario is quite difficult too, So it is quite a challenge.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, John listen, thanks for talking this through it and

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00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 4: beast of likeck and hopefully the thing does go very

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00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 4: well for its last one. That's John Minty Splaw Festival owner, heither,

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Speaker 4: did you get your iPhone sorted? I need a new

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00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 4: phone and I'm not sure I want to go iPhone again. Mate,

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00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 4: I don't blame you, actually, no, Well on the zoom

1270
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 4: call yesterday, screen sharing, trying to do that, trying to

1271
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 4: sync the text messages anyway.

1272
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 3: But I've got the computer here and I've got the

1273
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 3: boss here. It is completely overqualified for it.

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00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 4: He's going to sort it out in the eight o'clock news,

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00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 4: he says, So I'll talk to you afterwards. So Thomas Sainsbury,

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01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 4: one of his podcasts, is now being turned into a

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01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 4: TV show, which I think must be quite a thrill

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01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 4: for somebody.

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Speaker 3: He's going to be with us straight after the news

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Speaker 3: News twigs dB.

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Speaker 12: This time.

1282
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 2: I'm asking the questions others, won't Heather Dupless Allen on

1283
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: the Mike asking Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, doing real

1284
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 2: estate differently since nineteen seventy three, News togs Head Bada.

1285
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Speaker 3: Seven Past Day.

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Speaker 4: Tom Sainsbury, you know the name, He's back this time

1287
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 4: with a bit of a twist. You'll know Tom's podcast

1288
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 4: small Town Scandals done very well.

1289
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 3: It's about We're about to do a third season of it.

1290
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 4: But what's different is that his very first season is

1291
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 4: about to be turned from a podcast into an eight

1292
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 4: episode TV series and Tom Sainsbury's with us.

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Speaker 17: Now Morning Tom, Good Morning, Heather.

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Speaker 3: This feels like a really big moment for you.

1295
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 17: It, Yeah it is, and I've got to take a

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01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 17: moment to realize that.

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Speaker 15: But when you're kind of working on a TV show,

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Speaker 15: like it's just such a long process, Like I've lived

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Speaker 15: with this because it's all made, it's already we're kind

1300
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Speaker 15: of launching it. Well, it won't be out till early

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Speaker 15: next year in February, but we're launching that kind of

1302
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 15: the trailers coming out tomorrow. But when you kind of

1303
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 15: live with it to the minute of watching every little

1304
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 15: bit of it, it doesn't feel like a big moment, No,

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01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 15: because here, I've watched myself so many times and made

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Speaker 15: so many notes on my eat it, you know, on

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Speaker 15: the EDS and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like giving birth.

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Speaker 17: It's it's like giving a long labor. Not that I

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Speaker 17: would have.

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Speaker 4: Any idea, but I mean the reason Like when I

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Speaker 4: when I heard that this was happening, I thought, wow,

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Speaker 4: because for you, you have been intimately involved in actually

1314
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Speaker 4: the creator like you are the star of all of

1315
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Speaker 4: your shows, right, your podcasts are various things. That's it's

1316
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 4: not the first time though, that something you've created is

1317
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 4: starring other people.

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01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 15: Yeah, this is the this is the biggest thing I've

1319
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 15: ever done. And it had producers on board that were

1320
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 15: kind of looking after everything. There was a wardrobe person

1321
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 15: coming along and choosing all my clothes for me all that.

1322
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,439
Speaker 3: So you realized what it means to have money.

1323
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 17: I realized eggs, you got it.

1324
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Speaker 14: Look.

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Speaker 15: And the funny thing is we talked about me playing

1326
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Speaker 15: characters at the very beginning, like because in the podcast,

1327
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Speaker 15: I play all the characters and all the voices, and

1328
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 15: we talked about but just as soon as you do

1329
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Speaker 15: the kind of maths, it's the logistics two bonkers.

1330
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Speaker 4: So the actors who have replicated your characters, have they

1331
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 4: done a decent job that you're happy about.

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Speaker 15: They have done They've gone above and beyond. And it's

1333
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Speaker 15: still got the tone of the podcast. But we've got

1334
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,919
Speaker 15: we've got amazing, So we've got more Gunner O'Reilly who's

1335
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Speaker 15: just done whitelatics. But also, if you're a fan of

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Speaker 15: a show called The Good Life, do you know The

1337
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 15: Good Life so it was huge in the seventies and

1338
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Speaker 15: eighties in the UK. It was like a it was

1339
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 15: a sitcom of like kind of organic, self sufficient farmers

1340
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Speaker 15: on one side and then they kind of uppity neighbors

1341
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 15: and that was the a bench of it and the

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Speaker 15: interest in that. Felicity Kentle place my mother. So we

1343
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Speaker 15: went over to the UK to film four days over

1344
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 15: there with her as my mother, and we try to

1345
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 15: sell it as New Zealand, so.

1346
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Speaker 3: You try to sell the UK as well. That that

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01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 3: would have worked. I mean, is here to be collec scenes,

1348
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Speaker 3: isn't it?

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01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 19: There is?

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Speaker 15: We had to kind of have a gauze over the

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Speaker 15: window and there was a robin, a red wreast robin

1352
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 15: that just kept production and we're like shoes, you can't

1353
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 15: ever read Robin and the.

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Speaker 3: A it'll be fine.

1355
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 4: But so this is there was word that there would

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01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 4: be at least one kind of like well known, high

1357
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 4: profile actor type thing and this this will be her

1358
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,439
Speaker 4: right as MORGANA obviously.

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Speaker 15: Yes, this is her. This was kind of the UK

1360
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 15: because we have kind of BBC have kind of come

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01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 15: on board with the production as well, and so as

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01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 15: part of their deal, you've got to get someone from

1363
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 15: but we're like, my god, of course we love her.

1364
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 4: How do you sell a very very New Zealand show

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01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 4: in extremely thick New Zealand accents?

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Speaker 15: Got it to the BB see they there is this

1367
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 15: kind of I think Broken Wood Mysteries has kind of

1368
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 15: broken the seal.

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Speaker 3: There's this kind of.

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Speaker 15: Idea that when the format is something like a true crime,

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01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 15: which is my way, like a murder mystery true crime,

1372
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 15: that everyone can kind of get on board with that.

1373
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 15: And the Brits love that, and the fact that it's

1374
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,919
Speaker 15: set in pretty New Zealand, so there was a sense

1375
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 15: like we had to say on New Zealand quite well,

1376
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 15: we couldn't go into the grungier corners of it. That

1377
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 15: they were kind of kind of fine with that. I

1378
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 15: don't know whether we'll need subtitles for some of them.

1379
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 3: Really, is it that bad?

1380
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: No, it's not too bad.

1381
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 3: Seriously though. I mean, here you are.

1382
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 4: You've made your way in you know, on social media

1383
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 4: and in podcasts and stuff like that, and look, you're

1384
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 4: not new to television. Let's not pretend that this is

1385
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 4: your first you know, rodeo. But you are really getting

1386
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 4: deep into something that that I look at and I

1387
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 4: think Wow, that's brave and you know in this age

1388
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 4: of Tally do you ever think about that? Do you

1389
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 4: mean brave as in like weird television is at the

1390
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 4: moment we watch listen less Tally, we fund less and

1391
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 4: less Tally in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's worried for you, Tom.

1393
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 15: It's so tricky and it's it's also kind of like

1394
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 15: you just can't get funding from one source like we

1395
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 15: had to get it, you know, we had to get

1396
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 15: the BBC managed to kind of help and all that

1397
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 15: kind of stuff, So it is really stressful. You just yeah,

1398
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 15: it's an interesting one. I'm kind of not focusing on

1399
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 15: there and just hoping it finds some kind of fandom

1400
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 15: somewhere along the way and hopefully appeal to people that

1401
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 15: still like watching.

1402
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 4: Television, because when if you do it, if you do

1403
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 4: it well, like a tiger y t t in film,

1404
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 4: you can really make a big can't you.

1405
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 17: It's gamble, Yeah, yes, it's a gamble.

1406
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 15: Yes, I'm yes, it's a gamble.

1407
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 3: A gamble.

1408
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 15: You're winning it.

1409
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 3: I want to just take a break and then I'll

1410
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 3: come back to you.

1411
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 4: Tom Sainsbury key wee comedian eight past oh rather twelve

1412
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 4: Past eight the.

1413
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 2: Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 2: News Talks a.

1415
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 4: B Right, it's called a past state. You're back to

1416
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,439
Speaker 4: Tom Sainsbury, Keywi comedian Tom. Now, why aren't you doing

1417
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 4: the hardy videos, the social media videos of the Kiwi

1418
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 4: politicians anymore?

1419
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 17: Good question. It's there's two reasons.

1420
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 15: One of them was that I would they would always

1421
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 15: get hate comments, not about me, about the politicians and stuff,

1422
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 15: and some of them were so nasty and I'd go

1423
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 15: through and kind of delete them on that kind of stuff.

1424
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 15: But it just became a torrent and I became some

1425
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 15: of my videos became voices for absolute hatred, and I

1426
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 15: was like, I don't really want to be part of this.

1427
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 15: I knew where my line was, and even though people

1428
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 15: can interpret its hatred, I'm like, I still love these politicians,

1429
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 15: all of them. And the other one is is that

1430
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 15: I've just the Australian like Australia. Sometimes it is kind

1431
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 15: of nicnected with New Zealand and Australia. My followers in Australia,

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01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 15: which could be so many East Pads, but also there

1433
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 15: are so many Australians over there. None of it made

1434
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 15: any context to the EMO and to people in the

1435
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 15: UK as well. So it's kind of like Lou, they

1436
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 15: just weren't getting the numbers.

1437
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 4: Oh okay, of course because they're watching and not getting it.

1438
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 4: They're like thought for a hot little minute that the

1439
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 4: reason you weren't doing it was because our politicians are

1440
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 4: now so bloody boring.

1441
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 17: There is that too?

1442
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 19: Is it?

1443
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 16: Is?

1444
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 22: It is?

1445
01:06:58,200 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 2: That?

1446
01:06:58,480 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 22: Isn't it?

1447
01:06:59,080 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 20: There was?

1448
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 15: There was that wonderful time in that what was twenty

1449
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 15: seventeen was the election that kind of took it off

1450
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 15: and then we were amazing so many amazing characters. And

1451
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 15: also it's tricky with lux and you either go balled

1452
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 15: or you go his face and none of it, Like

1453
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 15: it's just monstrous either way, it's really hard to kind

1454
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 15: of and it's really hard to do.

1455
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 3: But also no disrespect to Chris Luxon. Again not that interesting.

1456
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 4: I mean, like we've still got Judith Collins, so we

1457
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 4: have a crusher, which is quite fun. I mean you

1458
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 4: could probably dip your toe a wee bit into like

1459
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 4: a Paul Goldsmith.

1460
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 17: Yes, but apart from that, yeah, not men starts Jones.

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01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, hip Shane Jones, I mean, and Shane Jones is

1462
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 4: almost a parody of Shane Jones.

1463
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 3: Yes, so you know it starts to get him. But

1464
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 3: I mean this is a testament to how popular you

1465
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 3: are overseas.

1466
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, it's amazing the Australian kind. And so I

1467
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 15: did a tour of Australia last year. I'll be doing

1468
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 15: one next year as well, and it's just amazing the

1469
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 15: Australians kind of embrace. We think we've got this kind

1470
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 15: of rival red with Australia, but every time you go

1471
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 15: over there, they just love the kiwis and they love

1472
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 15: going to the show.

1473
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 4: You know, we have a righte like we have this

1474
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 4: real chip on our shoulder about the Aussies. Whereas when, yeah,

1475
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 4: when we go over there, like welcome to your welcome

1476
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 4: to your actual home, the spiritual home. I mean maybe

1477
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 4: we need to have a little bit of a think

1478
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 4: about that, don't we. When you go over there, do

1479
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 4: you do you have an observation about I've been having

1480
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 4: a real crack at New Zealand audiences lately and I

1481
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 4: reckon we suck as a crowd.

1482
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 17: Yeah, good point.

1483
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 15: Well, they are just so much more realy to laugh,

1484
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 15: like you really have to sometimes you have to really

1485
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 15: work for a New Zealand audience to kind of win

1486
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 15: them over and so and sometimes you've had a really

1487
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 15: quiet audience and then some of them come up afterwards

1488
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 15: and go that was so funny. It was the first

1489
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 15: thing I've ever saying. You're like, what, I had no idea,

1490
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 15: but there is that.

1491
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 19: So it's up with us.

1492
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 4: What's going on?

1493
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 15: We just reserved and you know we're a bit more

1494
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 15: shy into it.

1495
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 3: Do you think that's what it is?

1496
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 15: I think it is.

1497
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 4: And so what we don't want we're away like we

1498
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 4: feel like other people are watching us if we're having.

1499
01:08:55,840 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 15: Fun, I think just demonstratively like any showing any kind

1500
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 15: of emotions. I just don't think we do.

1501
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 3: We keep it hidden? Okay, so that's what I think.

1502
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 3: What do you need to do?

1503
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 11: Then?

1504
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 4: Do you need to apply us all with free alcohol

1505
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 4: before you start show?

1506
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 15: As it always doesn't help. Well, there's a there's two

1507
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 15: wines is the perfect? If they go further than that,

1508
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 15: it can tip over. And then some of them start

1509
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 15: interacting with you like it's just you and them in

1510
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 15: the room like a back chat. I've been in those

1511
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 15: kinds of comedy shows. And do you have a preference

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01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 15: as to whether it's red or white wine, because I

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01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 15: find with the red wine.

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01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 4: It's one and a half and with the white one

1515
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 4: it's two. Yeah, because the red wines are quite an intoxicant.

1516
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 3: Do you drink before you go on stage?

1517
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 15: On occasion, I have a wine with me on stage,

1518
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,679
Speaker 15: and that helps me. Sometimes I'm a real cheap day,

1519
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 15: so it only takes one wine to kind of tip

1520
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 15: me into tipsy zone. So I've got to be careful

1521
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 15: with that. But sometimes if you ride it right with

1522
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 15: the hour show, it's just a beautiful kind of anyone's

1523
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 15: on board.

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Speaker 3: You are such an unlikely person to be on stage.

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Speaker 17: It's shy, it's been quiet, that's right.

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Speaker 3: How in God's name did you land in this job?

1527
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 12: Then?

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01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 20: I know what is it.

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01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:07,759
Speaker 15: I think it's I'm overrid like being a bit naughty

1530
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 15: and also making people laugh.

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Speaker 17: Wins, just wins.

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Speaker 4: Oh, so you prefer so like it? It makes you

1533
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 4: feel so good that you can overcome your weird year.

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01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 15: I was going to say you're weird sho sorry here,

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01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 15: that's absolutely true.

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Speaker 4: I mean I should say I know you from it

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01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 4: from a little bit back, so I'm allowed to say

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01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:25,560
Speaker 4: things like that.

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Speaker 3: I would like to think.

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01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 4: Because even I mean, even some of the weird stuff

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01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 4: that you do, like dancing on stage, takes a lot

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01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 4: of courage.

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Speaker 15: I would have thought, yeah, absolutely, And it's it's a

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Speaker 15: complicated thing because I also my heart lies in kind

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01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 15: of drama, and even like with the podcasts and stuff

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01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 15: like that, when I get to do the meat e

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01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 15: drama scenes with the other actors and things like that,

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01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 15: which are rare because it's mostly comedy, I just love

1549
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 15: delving into that kind of side of things. But I

1550
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 15: guess I'm just inherently a funny person and without really

1551
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 15: trying too much, and sometimes me just walking on stuff,

1552
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 15: Sometimes just me walking on stage is really sets the

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01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 15: audience off, and.

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Speaker 17: I just have to embrace that.

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01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 3: We just like looking at you.

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01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 5: I just like that.

1557
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 12: Now.

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01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 4: I was thinking, Okay, so here I was being all

1559
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 4: miserable about what's going on with television and stuff and

1560
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 4: are you actually doing the right thing with your career

1561
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 4: throwing your.

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Speaker 3: Lot in with this? But actually, is it not possible that?

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Speaker 16: Sure?

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01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 4: I mean, TV is having this existential problem and it's declining,

1565
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 4: and Shorty streets dying, outrageous fortune has gone, everything's collapsing.

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01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 4: But at the same time, you have social media now,

1567
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 4: and social media is the outlet and it's cheap and

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01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 4: much more.

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Speaker 3: It's democratized.

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Speaker 17: It hasn't it. Yeah?

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01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 15: Absolutely, And if there's some way of getting a channel

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01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 15: of like mena direct, so you kind of advertise to

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01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 15: the people in their homes on their phones and there's

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Speaker 15: a quick way that they can just click on and

1575
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 15: watch the first episode, then you're away.

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Speaker 4: Should we send out New Zealand on air funding away

1577
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Speaker 4: from television and into social media?

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Speaker 15: That's a really good question. I think what just looking

1579
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 15: at international trends, have you heard about the micro dramas? Yes, yes,

1580
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Speaker 15: I think we need to. I think some of that

1581
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 15: funding needs to go towards that, which in social media

1582
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 15: and online is perfect thing for that, so that these

1583
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 15: are episodes one to three minutes long that you're like,

1584
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,560
Speaker 15: what just blows your mind. But if you can do

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01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,440
Speaker 15: that successfully, it'll be amazing.

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Speaker 3: Which roll out on social media.

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Speaker 4: Tom, thank you so much and congratulations on you know,

1588
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Speaker 4: getting the TV deal, especially at this current time.

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Speaker 3: What an amazing thing to do.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Hell done you, Tom Sainsbury Key we comedian

1591
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Speaker 4: And when is it out? February February out in February

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Speaker 4: eight twenty one, Heather.

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Speaker 4: New Zealand's medium to larger enterprises and government agencies are

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Speaker 1: Heather do for CLA Heather and Tom.

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Speaker 4: I hope Tom's show is as good as broken would

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Speaker 4: If so, it will be great. Well done forgetting your

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Speaker 4: show made. Tom, that's actually true. I mean, in this

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Speaker 4: current age, it's an amazing thing to do. Speaking of shows,

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Speaker 4: I managed to finish watching the Just Durn movie, so

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01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 4: I'll give you my review if we get a chance

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Speaker 4: at some stage this later on the next half hour

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Speaker 4: or so. I need to get Oh, by the way,

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Speaker 4: I said that Tom's third season of the podcast is

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Speaker 4: coming out. It's actually out already, so you can go

1623
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Speaker 4: and feast your little ears on that. Donald Trump. Donald Trump,

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Speaker 4: I mean, you can make a big I'm not even

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01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 4: gonna make it. You mind, for you make up your

1626
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,719
Speaker 4: own mind about this. He's put out a truth social

1627
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 4: about Rob Reiner, who's of course died at the hands

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01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 4: it would appear allegedly of his son.

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Speaker 3: This is what it says.

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01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 4: Rob Reiner are tortured and struggling, but once very talented

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Speaker 4: movie director and comedy star, has passed away together with

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Speaker 4: his wife Michelle, reportedly due to the anger he caused

1633
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Speaker 4: others through his massive, unyielding and incurable affliction with a

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Speaker 4: mind crippling disease known as Trump derangement syndrome, sometimes referred

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Speaker 4: to as Teds. He was known to have driven people

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Speaker 4: crazy by his raging obsession of President Donald J. Trump Trump,

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01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 4: with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump

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01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 4: administration surpassed all goals and expectations of greatness, Lord, and

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01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 4: with the golden age of America upon us perhaps like

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01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 4: never before. And then, just in case you thought, look

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01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 4: that's a bit off, mate, too soon, they've literally just

1642
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 4: been found like and it's their son and the whole

1643
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 4: thing is incredibly sad. Just in case you thought your

1644
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 4: message messaging is off, he saves it at the very end.

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01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 4: May Robert Michelle rest h Donald Trump strikes again.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here we go. Rod Little is going to be

1647
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 3: with us out of the UK very shortly. And then

1648
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Speaker 3: I'll give you my thoughts on Matchisinda movie and.

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Speaker 2: News togs edb, opinionated, informed, unapologetic. Heather Duplessy Allen on

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Speaker 2: the Mic, asking breakfast with Vida, retirement, communities, life your Way,

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Speaker 2: news dogs dead b.

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Speaker 3: Right to the UK. Now, what's happened over there?

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Speaker 4: As they are being struck by the superflu and they've

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01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 4: got the junior doctor strike and that's going ahead.

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Speaker 3: Here's the Secretary of Health, Wiz Street and condemning it.

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Speaker 23: The BMA said this dispute was about pay, but we

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01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 23: gave them a twenty eight point nine percent pay rise.

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01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 23: Then they said it was also about jobs, so I

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01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 23: offered a deal to have the competition for jobs to

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01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 23: less than two applicants per post. It is now clear

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01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 23: what these strikes are really about, the bna's fantasy demand

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Speaker 23: for another twenty six percent pay rise on top of

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01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 23: the twenty eight point nine percent they have already received.

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Speaker 23: I am appealing to ordinary resident doctors to ignore the

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Speaker 23: BMA strike and go to work this week. Abandoning patients

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01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 23: in their hour of greatest need goes against everything a

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Speaker 23: career in medicine is meant to be about.

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with insign Eye insurance, peace of mind for

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Speaker 2: New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Rod little, are UK correspondent, is with us.

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Speaker 19: Morning Rod, Good morning Header.

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Speaker 4: Well, I can't imagine that the doctors have got the

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01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 4: sympathy of the voters.

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Speaker 19: No, no sympathy whatsoever with the voters. But there you

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01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 19: had a labor government minister urging strike breaking all union.

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Speaker 19: It's remarkable to his credit where Streeting hasn't given in

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Speaker 19: on the payments to doctors. But they've already had, as

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01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 19: we heard, you know, are wpping pay rise more than

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01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 19: the eye working out was more than twenty five percent.

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Speaker 19: They want, you know, thirty five percent. What we all do.

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Speaker 19: They claim that they've lost money because of the of

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01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 19: inflation since two thousand and six, two thousand and seven,

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01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 19: Well we all have. You know, it's an absurdity to

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01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 19: claim who you should be paid the exactly the same rate,

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01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 19: and it will cause chaos. You know, this strikes you

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01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 19: to take place on Wednesday. It's at a time when

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01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 19: flu cases have been rising about fifty percent per week.

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01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 19: This is the new superflu which we've got over here.

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01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 19: So it will cause a lot of problems. But I

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01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 19: think that if there's any sympathy it will be with

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Speaker 19: the government on this one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say so very much so. And we're shreeting.

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Speaker 4: I mean every time you hear him him front something

1694
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 4: like this, he becomes more and more I don't know,

1695
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 4: am I am I going to fine saying Prime Ministeria.

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Speaker 19: Doctord Wes, You're not going far enough. As far as

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Speaker 19: Wes is confidant, yes, he's certainly trying to sound very

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01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:13,759
Speaker 19: prime ministerial. Of course, having a go at the doctors

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01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 19: doesn't help him very much with the left wing of

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01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 19: his own party in Parliament. And the truth is, if

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01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 19: it came to a vote, he would not win the

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01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 19: leadership of the Labor Party. He is too far to

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01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 19: the right now. That is sorry. The only other good

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01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 19: candidate Shabaamhood.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was going to.

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01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 4: Ask about her, but then again she also would she

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01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 4: want to vote given what she is doing with migration

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01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 4: and cracking down there. I can't imagine that that will

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01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 4: go down well with the lift.

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Speaker 3: Of the party.

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Speaker 19: No, indeed she would a vote in the country, would

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01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 19: be very popular with the voters. But no, she wouldn't

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01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,879
Speaker 19: win with the vote of the backbenchers and the activists

1714
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 19: in the Labor Party, all of whom wants someone who

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01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 19: would lose the next general election by a country miles,

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01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 19: such as for example Ed Milliband, that's the favorite amongst

1717
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 19: the party party members, a man who has tried to

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01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:14,560
Speaker 19: impose net zero on us all and given Britain the

1719
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:17,759
Speaker 19: most costly energy prices in the developed world.

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Speaker 3: Welld is Labour going to give?

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01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to see there are calls for Labor to

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01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 4: give back the donations from Dale Vin's after his comments

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01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 4: on Australia and Gaza.

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Speaker 3: Are they actually going to do that?

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Speaker 19: I don't think they will do that, but opposition parties

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01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 19: have been very quick to say that they should. Delvins,

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Speaker 19: who's a pretty questionable kind of guy. Not long after

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01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 19: he made that statement about how basically the war on

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01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 19: cars have been to blame for Bondi Beach, he then

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01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 19: said that there's going to be a Holocaust this Christmas

1731
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Speaker 19: of Turkeys, so kind of downplaying the importance of the

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Speaker 19: Holocaust in the Jewish psyche, in the Jewish memory. Well,

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Speaker 19: it remains to be seen how strongly secure Starma will

1734
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Speaker 19: reject what Vince has said. I think it has to

1735
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 19: be very very strong. Otherwise the Labour Party is heading

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Speaker 19: into all the greater degree of difficulty with Jewish voters

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Speaker 19: and Jewish organizations who've already criticized it very very broadly.

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Speaker 20: In the past.

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01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I had long standing issues there. Now, what

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Speaker 4: do you make of the speech from the sex boss,

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Speaker 4: the new one?

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Speaker 19: Well, it's interesting. I know this is Blaze Rustavelli, the

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Speaker 19: first ever female boss of m I six, who is

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Speaker 19: saying that we're in a space between the peace and war,

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Speaker 19: But has also said that Russia is waging war on

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Speaker 19: a number of different unlimited fronts and trying to cause chaos,

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Speaker 19: and argued that we must treat Russia and China differently,

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Speaker 19: that their different approach should be required. You know, if

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Speaker 19: you're if you're over here at the moment, it is

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Speaker 19: becoming a refrain that we're either at war already or

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Speaker 19: on the cusp of that. We have Mark Rutterer, the

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Speaker 19: boss of NATO, saying very much the same thing a

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Speaker 19: few days ago last week that basically we're at war

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Speaker 19: now and we've got to be prepared to fight Russia.

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Speaker 19: And everyone keeps saying this, and yet you know, defense

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Speaker 19: expenditure doesn't increase as much as undoubtedly one would need

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Speaker 19: it to in terms of warfare, So I don't think

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Speaker 19: that anyone takes it really seriously in their hearts.

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Speaker 4: Rod, thank you very much appreciated. We'll have a chet

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Speaker 4: of you later on and you look after yourself for

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Speaker 4: the rest of the day. That's Rod Little, our UK correspondent.

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Speaker 4: I have a feeling that something that happened yesterday didn't

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Speaker 4: get quite the well. It got the coverage, you got

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Speaker 4: the widespread coverage, but I don't think the level of

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Speaker 4: kind of this is unusual, that kind of coverage that

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Speaker 4: pointed out how unusually it is.

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Speaker 3: I don't think happened.

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Speaker 4: Which was the statement that was put out for the

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Speaker 4: Reserve Bank governor yesterday?

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Speaker 3: This is the new one, Anna Bremen.

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Speaker 4: She put out a statement, she's given an interview I

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Speaker 4: think it was to one news or somebody, and then

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Speaker 4: put out a statement subsequently, which in and of itself

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Speaker 4: is kind of unusual. I mean, you cast your mind

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Speaker 4: back the last few Reserve Bank governors, how many of

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Speaker 4: them would just issue a press release for the sake

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Speaker 4: of it all, like unprompted. And what she was trying

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Speaker 4: to do in the statement is talk down the market

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Speaker 4: because of course the wholesale rates have gone up, and

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Speaker 4: then yesterday A and Z was just the latest and

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Speaker 4: the biggest bank actually to lift the fixed mortgage rays.

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Speaker 4: She reiterated that the forward path for the ocr published

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Speaker 4: in the November Monetary Policy Statement indicates a slight probability

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Speaker 4: of another rate cut in the near term, So she's

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Speaker 4: reiterating that to make sure that we do understand there

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Speaker 4: is the chance that there may be a count. However,

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Speaker 4: she said of economic conditions involvers as expected, then the

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Speaker 4: ocr is likely to remain at its current level.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, people who are closer to the markets will

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Speaker 4: be able to tell you whether that's had much of

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Speaker 4: an impact with the fact that she tries to do it.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's quite interesting. Sixteen away from.

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Speaker 2: Known the mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 4: I love that the man who's accused of swallowing the

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Speaker 4: faberget egg pendant who the police had to watch for

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Speaker 4: a week until he managed to expel it, has pleaded

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Speaker 4: not guilty when he appeared in court. I look forward

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Speaker 4: to his defense to explain how he's not guilty and

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Speaker 4: how it accidentally ended up in his mouth and then

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Speaker 4: down his throat. He's in custody. There's quite a ballsy

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Speaker 4: move from the cops keeping him in custody. But anyway,

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Speaker 4: they got him because it must. I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I won't comment on it, but keeping you keeping someone

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Speaker 4: in custody is usually an indication of something anyway.

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Speaker 3: Will appear in court again in February.

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Speaker 4: So twelve away from nine So I finished the Just

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Speaker 4: Cinda movie and I actually recommend it to you. I

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Speaker 4: think it is worth watching, partly because obviously it is.

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Speaker 4: It is a seminal moment for the like COVID is

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Speaker 4: a seminal moment for the world right, but it's also

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Speaker 4: especially a seminal you know, domestically, it was a seminal

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Speaker 4: moment for us as well in terms of politics.

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Speaker 3: And all the things we went through.

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Speaker 4: I recommend it because I think sometimes when we get

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Speaker 4: caught up in what is going on in politics, we're

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Speaker 4: kind of we have you can forget the person who

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Speaker 4: is the politician, and that that person has a family,

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Speaker 4: has children, has a private life, has hopes and aspirations,

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Speaker 4: and you know, and and just is a complete human being.

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Speaker 4: And I think that I think we did forget that,

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Speaker 4: and I think we still forget that. And the the

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Speaker 4: clearest example that we did forget that is that there

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Speaker 4: is a scene in the movie where they're at Clark's parents'

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Speaker 4: beach house in Gisbon and there are nutty protesters standing

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Speaker 4: outside protesting. It's like Christmas time, and there are kids inside.

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Speaker 4: There are the grandkids inside, multiple grandkids, and they're looking

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Speaker 4: out the window at these people protesting, which is just

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Speaker 4: like completely looney behavior anyway.

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Speaker 15: So I think it is.

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Speaker 4: I don't think you will necessarily end up feeling sorry

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Speaker 4: for her, but I do think that it will kind

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Speaker 4: of just round her out as a person to you. Potentially,

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Speaker 4: My overall impression watching the movie is how stuf Age

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Speaker 4: managed it was.

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Speaker 3: And I kind of mentioned this to you when I

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Speaker 3: first started watching the movie.

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Speaker 4: Always everything was a performance, right, none of it seems

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01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 4: very little of it is kind of caught spontaneously. So

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01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 4: there's a scene where Clark larringisben.

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Speaker 3: There's a COVID outbreak.

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01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,759
Speaker 4: Clark has to drive her to where the defense helicopter

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Speaker 4: is going to pick her up a take presumably back

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Speaker 4: to Wellington, and then Clark has to turn the camera

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Speaker 4: sort of on him and then prop it on the

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Speaker 4: dashboard and then he goes, ah, bugger and sort of

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Speaker 4: you know, and it's not a real it's not a

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Speaker 4: real bugger. It didn't really happen, just naturally he actually

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Speaker 4: did it for the camera. So you kind of always

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01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 4: feeling like, hmm, I'm watching you guys sort of play

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Speaker 4: acting this. And there is a scene where she's lying

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Speaker 4: in bed read one evening, reading her documents and Clark

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Speaker 4: picks up a washing brings him in a washing basket,

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Speaker 4: puts it down, walks out with it or whatever, and

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01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 4: she says to it, and he does the trip twice

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01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 4: and she says to him, are you fake carrying a

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Speaker 4: washing basket? And he admits he is. Just to kind

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Speaker 4: of underscore how much of it is a performance from

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Speaker 4: a national perse. I've got some texts from people who said,

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Speaker 4: you know, I feel embarrassed as a New Zealander, and

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Speaker 4: I can understand that because this film does not do

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Speaker 4: us a service right. It does us a disservice as

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Speaker 4: a country because it makes us look like we were

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Speaker 4: just ungrateful for the second Coming of Jesus and we

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01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 4: should have been more grateful for all the wonderful things.

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Speaker 4: There's no real interrogation at all, or even a mention

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Speaker 4: of why we might have been angry about what happened,

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01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 4: Auckland being in lockdown too long, the vaccines not being

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Speaker 4: ordered in time, people's rat kits being comf scated, because

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Speaker 4: all the crazy stuff that happened, as well, the stuff

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Speaker 4: with the EWE checkpoints.

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Speaker 1: None of that has mentioned.

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Speaker 4: It's just like we're just not happy because she's trying

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01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 4: to save our lives. But anyway, having said all of that,

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Speaker 4: go and watch it. I think there is value in

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01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 4: watching it, and it's available on Apple At the moment

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Speaker 4: nine away from.

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Speaker 2: Nine, Heather do putty, Allen, I'm a mic asking breakfast,

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Speaker 2: we're the defender and use togs dead b either.

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Speaker 4: Have you gone soft? No, politics is not about the politicians' families.

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01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 4: It's about what they stand for and do.

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Speaker 3: Yet that's totally fine.

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Speaker 4: Protest outside Actually, by the way, protest outside Parliament, not

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01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 4: outside the houses, but because that protest outards out Parliament.

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Speaker 4: When you have a watch of this film, you never

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01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 4: realized I'll go under her skin quite to that extent. Hither,

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01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 4: I have to pull you up on the fact that

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01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 4: what happened in Australia has no need for our political

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01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 4: parties to respond, the Greens being one.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's not really what I said. I think Chloe

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01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 3: does need to have.

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Speaker 4: Some questions asked of her and the Greens in general

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01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 4: about their tolerance of pretty outrageous language. But I don't

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01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 4: think that we should make the mistake of co opting

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Speaker 4: other people's trauma and grief, because that's the thing that

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01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 4: people do. That's just unbecoming right, this is this didn't

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Speaker 4: happen to us. It happened to the Jewish community in Australia.

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01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 4: So you know, you've got a kind of we have

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01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:42,639
Speaker 4: a completely different our race relations here, completely different six

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Speaker 4: away from nine.

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Speaker 1: Trending now warehouse the real house of fragrances.

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Speaker 4: So we have a bit of an update with the

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01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 4: Browns University shooting case that has left the FBI and

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01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 4: Cash Pattel with egg on their face. The FBI detained

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01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 4: a person of interest and his name in details went

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Speaker 4: all over the Internet and was reported by major news

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Speaker 4: outlets in the US, and Cash Battel celebrated the work

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Speaker 4: that was done by the FBI and capturing this guy.

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01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 4: It turns out though it was the wrong guy. They've

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Speaker 4: now released him and they're asking for more info. This

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Speaker 4: is the Rhode Island Attorney General.

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Speaker 10: Collectively, the team developed developed leads in a number of areas.

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Speaker 10: One was chased to ground. It led to the to

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Speaker 10: the to US detaining a person of interest. So those

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Speaker 10: words and how we choose those words when we're talking

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Speaker 10: about an investigation matter. That evidence now points in a

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Speaker 10: different direction. So what that means is that this person

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Speaker 10: of interest needs to be it should be released. I

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Speaker 10: think what is really unfortunate that this person's name was

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Speaker 10: leaked to the public. It's hard to put that back

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Speaker 10: in the bottom.

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Speaker 3: It's all keys.

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Speaker 4: Then the Providence Police Chief, Oscar Pariers put the blame

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Speaker 4: squarely on Patel.

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Speaker 1: This specific one.

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Speaker 22: It was actually picked up by the and they followed

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01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,839
Speaker 22: through with it, and they ended up coming and located

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Speaker 22: in this individual of interest, and at that point we

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Speaker 22: did our thoral investigation exam and ended up drafting some

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Speaker 22: search warrants, came up with some evidence.

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Speaker 4: So Patel has now earned the nickname Keystone Cash in

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Speaker 4: reference to the bumbling Keystone cops of slapstick fame, and

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Speaker 4: because this is now the third time that he has

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Speaker 4: tweeted out messages that they've got a perpetrator when in

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Speaker 4: fact it was the wrong person. He also did this

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Speaker 4: in the Charlie Kirk case. And as plenty of people

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Speaker 4: have pointed out, this is what happens when you put

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Speaker 4: a podcast or in charge of the FBI, which is

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Speaker 4: probably an entirely fair thing to say, I've got happy news.

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Speaker 3: The phone appears to be fixed.

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Speaker 4: I would recommend if you're thinking about switching away from

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Speaker 4: the iPhone. Unless you've got sort of like about two

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01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 4: or three technical guys who can just drop things and

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Speaker 4: help you at any minute, it's probably have a think

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Speaker 4: about that. What I would say is, in a modern age,

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Speaker 4: would you not like think about this? Would you not

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Speaker 4: rather have your car breakdown? Then you'll phone because at

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Speaker 4: least with your phone you can order yourself an uber,

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Speaker 4: but you can't if you haven't got a phone.

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Speaker 3: What can you do? See you tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to

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Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow

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