1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: It's hard to work out just how big a mess 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: America and his politics are right now. A former president 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: looking for a return to the White House, a convicted 4 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: criminal with more judicial action to come, of course, the 5 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: incumbent with the son in court on gun charges as 6 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: we speak at a bid at house in Congress, in 7 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: a state of almost permanent dead locker. But there is 8 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: a lesson or two in history here, the Forever War, 9 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: America's unending conflict with itself. It's out today. It's a 10 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: brilliant look at where America has been and how those 11 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: threads lead us to today's unresolved issues. It's written by 12 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 1: our very good friend Nick Bryant, who is back with us. 13 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 2: Nick. Good morning, Mike. Thank you for those kime words. 14 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: And it's a very very good book. I've only got 15 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: the electronic version, so I've been wading through it, so 16 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: when you get the hard copy out, I expect one 17 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: with a little signature at the front of you wouldn't mind. 18 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: Oh, You've always been very supportive, and my books are 19 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: always a labor of love, and it's great to shadow 20 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: with people who love America as well. I'm a fascinator, 21 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: but I know you're in that category. 22 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: And having said that, your last book, When America Stopped 23 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: Being Great, ended up I read in this book on 24 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: Biden's bookshelf. 25 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great story and a great thing to happen. 26 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: That was a die happy moment for me, Mike. I mean, 27 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: there's an audience of one that you want to target 28 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: with a book about America. It's a president of the 29 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 2: United States. I popped up on Morning Joe one morning, 30 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: you know that show on MSNBC, and I was talking 31 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: about this new book I'd written, When America Stopped Being Great. 32 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: I didn't realize that Biden was a huge fan of 33 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 2: Morning Joe, or at least he tends to watch it 34 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: most mornings. I think while he was shaving or something, 35 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 2: he heard me talking about it. The friend later that 36 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: day said, Joe Biden just mentioned your book. I couldn't 37 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: believe it. He hadn't mentioned it by name, but he 38 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: mentioned a new book that came out that sounded very 39 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 2: much like mine. And then a few weeks later, somebody 40 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: on Twitter notes, Nick Bryant will be happy with this. 41 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: It was a picture of Joe Biden in the White 42 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: House with Anthony Blincoln, his US Secretary of State, there 43 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: was a little pile of books on the shelf behind. Yes, 44 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: what I zoomed in and thought that my book was 45 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: amongst them, and it was such a thrill mic. I mean, 46 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: for somebody wh's been writing about American politics for most 47 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: of my adult life, who ended up with a book 48 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: in the over office, that was really was a special moment. 49 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: It's fantastic, you say, as was filled with very good lines. 50 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: The news cycle is the historical cycle in microcosm. So 51 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: in broad terms, you're arguing that if we looked a history, 52 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: we can see why we are here today. 53 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: Oh, we really can. But it's a history, mate, that 54 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: we tend to forget, or deliberately raise or just overlook. 55 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: I mean, what I argue in the book is that 56 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: Trump is just as much a product of American history 57 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: as Richard Nixon or John F. Kennedy or Ronald Reagan 58 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: or FDR or Abraham Lincoln. But it's the stuff that 59 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 2: we tend not to think much about these days. For instance, 60 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: you know, demagogues have always raised their heads in American history. 61 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: A lot of the presidents have had surprisingly authoritarian tendencies, 62 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: including some of the great heroes of the story Abraham Lincoln. 63 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: He shut down three hundred newspapers that he didn't like, 64 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 2: a clear violation of the First Amendment. He suspended Habeas 65 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: corpus during this Civil War, another violation of the Constitution. 66 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 2: FDR again, you know, a liberal hero. The Democrats absolutely 67 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: adore FDR. But similarly he was quite authoritarian in some ways, 68 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 2: trying to maximize them as much presidential power as he could. 69 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 2: But the thing is, Mike, I mean FDR. He busted 70 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: the norm set by George Washington that you only serve 71 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 2: two terms. He kept on winning re election and that's 72 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: the point. The American people like this kind of president 73 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: who was very strong, a kind of strong man president. 74 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: And Annada Roosevelt always said. The line in his inagural 75 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: address that got the biggest applause was not the famous one, 76 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: The only thing that they have to fear is fear itself. 77 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: It was actually where he said, you realize that might 78 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: have to alter the balance of the constitution here and 79 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: the wartime powers in peacetime. That got arousing a line 80 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: of applause, and it shows Americans always been recepted to 81 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: that kind of strong man leadership. 82 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So when the book starts an inauguration day 83 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: and you're on the first train out of Washington. You're 84 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: not staying behind with you mates for a drink. Was 85 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: that for you sort of the beginning of the end 86 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: that you kind of like you'd fallen in love with America, 87 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: arrived in America, covered America and something wasn't the same. 88 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, Washington that day was like a garrison tan. It 89 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: had thirty five thousand troops that were stopping American from 90 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 2: fighting American. That for me was absolutely tragic. They had 91 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: a green zone they called it in Washington. That was 92 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: terminology used in Baghdad. I mean literally, Washington looked like 93 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: Baghdad on the Potomac. And Biden's most memorable phrase from 94 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 2: the inaugural address was democracy has prevailed. But he didn't 95 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: say it in a sense of celebration. It was set 96 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: out of a sense of profound relief. And you know, 97 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: he was speaking on an inaugural platform. Might that only 98 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: two weeks earlier had been the staging post of January 99 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: sixth rebellion. And I remember turning up early that day 100 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: that US Capital was festooned with red, white and blue 101 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: bunting like all the inaugurals are. But it really could 102 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: have been still sequested by yellow police tape, and somebody 103 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: had decided to test the auto to you, and they 104 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: were putting on the words of the Gettysburg Address, Lincoln's 105 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 2: most famous sermon, and the word that day really struck me. 106 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: Lincoln had asked, can this nation endure? And I thought 107 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: that question still resonated all those years on as America 108 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 2: was just tearing itself apart. 109 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: You're also arguing the country has to make peace with 110 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: the two hundred years before the sixties, because we talk 111 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: about the sixties a lot. Do you think they ever will? 112 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: Do you think, as you said, that people don't think 113 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: about it. It is what it is, and we've got 114 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: this new, weird, crazy Norman. It will be what it 115 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: will be. 116 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: It's two Americas. But division has always been the default. 117 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the key argument of the book. Independence 118 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 2: or Victory over the British brought about independence, but it 119 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: didn't bring about instant nationhood. That wasn't a given. They 120 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 2: really had to work that. There was a feeling in 121 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: the early years, indeed, that America might become two, three, 122 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 2: four different confederations split along regional line. So you know, 123 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: the division has always been there. I'm pretty pessimistic about 124 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 2: American in this book. But what I don't think will 125 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: necessarily happen is that Americas slide into civil war, certainly 126 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: not on the scale or nature of the civil war 127 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: that we saw in the eighteen sixties. But what I 128 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: also think is America won't reach a state of civil peace. 129 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 2: The divisions are so deep now, the alternative realities that 130 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: Americans have are so deeply embedded. And one of the 131 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 2: big arguments of the book is one of the reasons 132 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: why America is so divided is that so much of 133 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: its history remains unresolved. 134 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: Nick interesting. At the end, you arrive in America, of 135 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: course at JFK. You leave JFK, Lady Liberty, New York. 136 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: You're looking at and you didn't look back. And that 137 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: was a couple of years ago. Now you end up 138 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: in Australia, start a new life. As you lead your 139 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: new life in Australia, have you looked back to you 140 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: regret it in any way, shape or form or not. 141 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: Mike, I haven't been back to America for almost three 142 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: years now now. During my adult life, I've never gone 143 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: more than twelve months without being in America. I've lived 144 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: in America for the biggest chunk of my adult life. 145 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: You know, I started covering Washington for the BBC in 146 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: the Clinton years. They sent me over for the Monica 147 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: Luizki Scanda, which at the court of the Bill Clinton scandal, 148 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: of course, and I covered Clinton. I covered Bush. I 149 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: was there on nine to eleven. I was there the 150 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: night Obama was elected. I the night Donald Trump was elected. 151 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: We were both there, weren't we. We were at the Hillary 152 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: Clinton what was supposed to be a celebration. You know, 153 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: I have been absolutely fixated with America, and my mind 154 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: frankly has not migrated. I mean, you know, the first 155 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: thing I do in the morning is check the New 156 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: York Times at the Washington Post and see what's happening 157 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: in America. But I haven't been back, and I think 158 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 2: that's crucial. You know. We were glad to get away. 159 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: In the end. I think, you know, my kids have 160 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: reached the age while they realized why they were doing 161 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: those shooter drills in their schools. My wife and I 162 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: had always said that would be the moment we leave. 163 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: Married an Australian who was born in New Zealand actually Takapuna, 164 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: and we decided to come back, and we haven't had 165 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: an urging to return. And I think this speaks of 166 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: I talk about a faith displaced. That I loved America 167 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: as a kid. It changed me togther as a teenager, 168 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: I became a lot more confident. Frankly, I ended up 169 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 2: at universities I would never even have thought of applying 170 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: to had I not gone to America as a sixteen 171 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: year old and really started living out a version of 172 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: my own American dream. And I've always loved America. At 173 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: times of my life, I would have happily taken up 174 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: American citizenship, and I still have that deep love for America. 175 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: But I don't want to live there, partly because it's 176 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: got so crazy, partly because it's got so violent, partly 177 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: frankly because it's willing to countenance the return of Trump. 178 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 2: I mean that looks like it's not a strong possible ability, 179 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 2: but certainly a pretty good possibility. So you know, for 180 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 2: all those reasons, I think we're better out of America. 181 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: Just switch countries. Briefly, because you've been in the UK 182 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: with the speech at Cambridge, I know recently, and you 183 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: write a very good piece in the Sidning Morning here 184 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: all the other day. I'm assuming you assume, like we 185 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: all assume, that the Tories are done for Is it 186 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: because the Tories have been in power so long and 187 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: all governments that have been in power for a long 188 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: time time does them or have they done something particularly 189 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: egregious and the polls might be right and it could 190 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: be a wipeout. 191 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 2: I think both of those things are true. I think 192 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 2: any government is trying to sort of win a fourth term, 193 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: which is essentially what the Tours are trying to do. Struggles, 194 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: you know, I think most governments tend to get booted 195 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: out after ten years, don't they. I mean, we've seen 196 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: that in India this very week. You know, Mody's obviously 197 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 2: going to be the prime minister, but with a reduced majority, 198 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: and it was a surprise to money. But again it's 199 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: that kind of anti incumbency feel of somebody who's been 200 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: around for a long time. But I also think the 201 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: chaos of the Tours is obviously a significant re I mean, 202 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 2: Britain's have more prime ministers over the last four or 203 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 2: five years in Australia in the ashes of political chaos 204 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: piecing in Australia at the moment, and I think that's 205 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: one of the reasons. I mean, Keir Starmer is a 206 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: pretty boring labor leader, you know. I described it in 207 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: that piece as you know, having all the charisma of 208 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: a packet of frozen peas. If there's any frozen peas 209 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: listening today. I apologize for the slur, but it's you know, 210 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: it's I think it's just a lot of people that 211 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: are set up for the sort of chaos of the tourist, 212 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 2: the post Brexit chaos of the tourism, even though they're 213 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: not particularly enthusiastic about a labor government. That's what we'll 214 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: get in Britain. 215 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, mate. I will be in New York and 216 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: October November, so you won't be. So that's a shame. 217 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: So we'll have to work out some way to get 218 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: together in the ensuing period. But in the meantime, all 219 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 1: the very best with his latest book. And it's always 220 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: a thrill to catch up and chat with you, Mike. 221 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: It's always a pleasure to talk to you. I will 222 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 2: hope to get there in Updow November, so let's have it. 223 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: Well, there you go, it's on, see you there. Nick 224 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: Bryant out of Sydney, for us this morning. What was 225 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: it the Travitt Center of the Cab. I'll look it 226 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: up and tell you in just a couple of moments. 227 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: It was a night to remember. 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