1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Barry Soper, Senior Political Correspondence with US. Now, Hey Barry, 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: good afternoon, Heather, Hey, Darlene, Tana. She is definitely outperforming expectations. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 2: Isn't she. Well, she's bought herself more time, hasn't she? 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: In Parliament? 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 3: Because the meeting that was set for this weekend on 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 3: the Sunday, they were scheduled to vote on whether she 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 3: should be ousted from Parliament with the wokers jumping legislation, 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 3: which he most certainly would have if they had basically 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 3: enacted that legislation. But now though, there's been an agreement 10 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 3: to delay the interim and junction on that meeting ahead 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 3: of a full hearing for September the twelfth. So she's 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 3: got that now that time that she can hang around 13 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: Parliament essentially doing nothing and await after that for the 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: Greens to make a decision. So who knows when that's 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: gonna happen. But I'll tell you what I think. What 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: she's ensured for herself, Heather, is that they will make 17 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 3: the decision to use as much as it'll be difficult 18 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 3: for them to do, to use the walker jumping legislation 19 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 3: and to get rid of in very short order. 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: So do you think that because of the game that 21 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: she's playing, it'll actually swing the party increasingly and by 22 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: the same I mean the members and the delegates increasingly 23 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: in behind what the party wants to do here. 24 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, I think it'll polarize the party, has no 25 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 3: doubt it's polarizing the public. I mean, here is a 26 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: person that's hanging on in Parliament really doing nothing effective, 27 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: even though she says she's got support, Well, in fact 28 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 3: she doesn't. She's what she's doing is upsetting the proportionality 29 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: of parliament and that is upsetting the three hundred and 30 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: thirty odd thousand voters they claim went out and voted 31 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: for them at the last election. 32 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: Is this also slightly embarrassing for the Greens though, that 33 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: they're being outmaneuvered by somebody who they consider to be 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: so useless. 35 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: Well, yes, the Greens. 36 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: In fact, what they should have done was they should 37 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: have decided earlier, right at the beginning, when they realized 38 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 3: that she wasn't going to go, They should have enacted 39 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: that legislation then and she would have been one and 40 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: truly gone by now. 41 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: But now she's bought more time. 42 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 3: You're right, she outwitted them and they've really now got 43 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 3: to wait and see what happens without interim injunction. 44 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: Hey, I see that basically all cars on the road 45 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 1: could be hit with the road user charges within about 46 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: three years. But does this mean so if we're all 47 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: paying road user charges, does that mean the fuel exercise 48 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: is gone? 49 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: Well, yes, exactly. 50 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 3: There was a speech given this after or this morning 51 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: by the Transport Minister, Simeon Brown, who seems to be 52 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: the minister of everything these days. 53 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: But he said that certainly they're. 54 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 3: Looking at scrapping the tax on petrol all together. And 55 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: that tax is seventy five cents eliter at the moment 56 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 3: and it's scheduled to increase by another twelve cents elite 57 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty seven. Now he's indicated that lock road 58 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 3: tolls will come between now and twenty twenty seven, and 59 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 3: he's cited three roads that will be looked at, and 60 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 3: that is the Takatimu North Link, the Mnuwatu Gorge and 61 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 3: the Otaki to north of Livin. They'll be all toll roads, 62 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: and there'll be more toll rolled roads in the country. 63 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 3: And really, when you look at the system the way 64 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 3: it's worked taxing fuel things have changed considerably. I mean, 65 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: the Highways Act was introduced to nineteen twenty two for 66 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: goodness sake, and it was meant to operate on a 67 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: user pays basic basis, the more you drive, the more 68 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: you pay. Well, as we know, there are more efficient 69 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 3: vehicles that can drive more and pay less, while inefficient 70 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 3: vehicles drive less and pay more. 71 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: So it's an inequitable system at. 72 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 3: The moment, and road user charges and tolls would seem 73 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: to be the way this government's going. 74 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: Why can we thank Ginny Anderson for the fact that 75 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: the toe fees are going to go up? 76 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: Oh? 77 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 3: Well, this was legislation that was introduced by her as 78 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 3: Police Minister on police road chases, and they essentially the 79 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 3: tow truck drivers. When the cops chased the car and impounded, 80 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 3: it was the tow truck drivers that had to come 81 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 3: and pick it up. Now there was legislation that was 82 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 3: introduced to on these. 83 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: Pursuits of cars. 84 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 3: Jenny Anderson was asked it was fear for her government 85 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 3: to introduce a policy it knew would leave tow truck 86 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 3: companies out of pocket, and she said in reply to that, 87 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 3: it's important that people who flee the police are accountable, 88 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 3: and it's important, she said, that police have the tools 89 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 3: that they should wish to if they should wish. 90 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: To use them. 91 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: So it was all as a result of that that 92 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: you look at ten to fifteen of the cars that 93 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: are impounded twenty eight days or more, they're usually abandoned, 94 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 3: and expecting that to rise as high as sixty percent 95 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: when they're impounded for more than six months. 96 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 2: So who picks up the tab for that? The old toys? 97 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: And I never thought I'd see the day that I'd 98 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: be defending toys publicly on radio. 99 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: How about that, Barry, Thank you very much, appreciate it, 100 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: very sober, Senior political correspondent. 101 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: For more from Heather Duplicy Allen Drive, listen live to 102 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 3: News Talk sa'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 103 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio.