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Speaker 1: Barry So for senior political correspondent is with us. Hello Barry,

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Speaker 1: good afternoon. So Parliament cracked off with a debate here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well it wasn't really a debate. It was a

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Speaker 2: ministerial statement and it means that others are able to

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Speaker 2: reply to the minister and ask him questions. So it

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Speaker 2: was interesting to me is that there's never been any

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Speaker 2: love lost. You'll remember between Andrew Costa and Mark Mitchell.

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Speaker 2: You remember Mitchell, on taking office, presented Costa with a

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Speaker 2: list of expectations and it was a very public list

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Speaker 2: which he didn't agree with the way the police were

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Speaker 2: heading under labor And you know, Andrew cost was called

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Speaker 2: Cuddle's Costa for good reason. He was soft. He was

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Speaker 2: appointed by Jacinda Drn. The other candidate was Mike Clement.

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Speaker 2: Everybody thought that Mike Clement would get the job and

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Speaker 2: then out of the blue Andrew Costa came from nowhere

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Speaker 2: essentially and became the commissioner. So today in Parliament making

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Speaker 2: a statement after the damning IPCA report, Mark Mitchell pointed

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Speaker 2: the finger directly at the former Police Minister Andrew Costa.

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Speaker 3: The matter when referred to the IPCA saw the then

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Speaker 3: police commissioner attempt to influence the nature and extent of

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Speaker 3: the ipca's investigation and its time frame. Others in police

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Speaker 3: perceived this as a clear attempt to ensure the investigation

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Speaker 3: did not impact Skimming's prospects of being appointed as his successor.

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Speaker 3: The behavior outlined in the report is utterly disgraceful. We

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Speaker 3: cannot forget that at the very core of this as

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Speaker 3: a woman who was severely let down by the previous

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Speaker 3: police executive and the system. On the sixth of November

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, Andrew cost To informed me that there

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Speaker 3: was an IPCA investigation in Dejevim at Skimming surrounding an

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Speaker 3: affair that he had had and that had soured. He

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Speaker 3: informed me that there was a female before the courts

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Speaker 3: for Harassingki. The narrative I was presented was consistent with

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Speaker 3: the narrative highlighted in the IPCA report that Skimming was

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Speaker 3: a victim. I want to stress that at this stage

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Speaker 3: this is all I or the government knew. You.

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Speaker 2: Imagine how you'd feel left in the dark if that

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Speaker 2: was the information that was presented to you. You didn't

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Speaker 2: know there was anything wrong with us. Well following Mitchell

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Speaker 2: was the former police minister, Labour's Ginny Anderson, and then

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Speaker 2: the Green's Tamatha Paul, who at one stage talked about

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Speaker 2: abolishing the police. You'll remember here I am.

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Speaker 4: When a woman is brave enough to come forward with

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Speaker 4: serious allegations against a senior officer, she should be treated

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Speaker 4: with respect and have confidence that her complaint will be

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Speaker 4: investigated without fear or favor. That did not happen. This

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Speaker 4: was not just a failure of process. It was a

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Speaker 4: failure failure of leadership. When leadership fails, it damages the

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Speaker 4: morale within the organization and a rhodes public confidence outside it.

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Speaker 4: Strong leadership is not only about management, is about setting

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Speaker 4: an example of integrity, accountability and transparency.

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Speaker 5: The way that these allegations were covered up is perhaps

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Speaker 5: the most disturbing part. They took a relationship between a

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Speaker 5: senior police official and a woman twenty years his junior,

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Speaker 5: where a clear power and balance existed and where there

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Speaker 5: was alleged abuse, and they charged her. They charged her,

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Speaker 5: They failed her, And.

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Speaker 2: It's true really when you look at that. But it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I thought about other police commissioners who have left the

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Speaker 2: force under I guess indented the credibility. One was Peter Doone.

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Speaker 2: Of course, he was accused of approaching a police officer

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Speaker 2: who had pulled over his friend's car, his girlfriend's car

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Speaker 2: and a function. And then Mike Bush will remember knew

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Speaker 2: Louise Nicholas had raised concerns about Wally homaher saying that

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Speaker 2: the police should stick together in the face of rape allegations,

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Speaker 2: and didn't mention that when he was appointed Deputy Police Commissioners.

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Speaker 2: So you know, there have been other incidents, but nothing

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Speaker 2: because this is this is a systemic in the police

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Speaker 2: at the top. By the look of it.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I reckon label. We're feeling pretty pleased. It hasn't

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Speaker 1: it hasn't tumbled down. I mean, you know, after there

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Speaker 1: had to be a chance that after the capital gains

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Speaker 1: tax announcement that they would actually go down on the polls.

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Speaker 2: I've gone up, yeah, But you've got to remember with

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Speaker 2: capital gains, I mean there's a fair chunk of New

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Speaker 2: Zealanders that believe there should be a capital gains tax.

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Speaker 2: But you know, to me, they haven't explained it very well.

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Speaker 2: The Labor Party nevertheless.

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Speaker 1: But what's important is they've nicked the votes from the Greens,

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Speaker 1: so the cannibalizing their own block that's.

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Speaker 2: Right, and the center right block that are in part

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Speaker 2: now would still be able to lead. But look, it

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Speaker 2: really is the National Party. It is up point six

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Speaker 2: of a percent to thirty point two percent. They're still

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Speaker 2: behind Labor on thirty three point three percent. National won't

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Speaker 2: be happy with that, But like I've said on many occasions,

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Speaker 2: National inherited a dog in terms of the economy, and

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Speaker 2: it does take time to turn public opinion around when

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Speaker 2: it comes to dealing with an issue like that.

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Speaker 1: Again, some very quickly, because I've got a huge amount

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Speaker 1: of time. But tell me what Winnie Pee's up to.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, the Labor Party is playing Winston Peters and

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Speaker 2: his so called attack on the National Party. Labor and

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Speaker 2: its fight to regain the treasure adventures is making a

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Speaker 2: meal out of Peter's accusing National of not turning the

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Speaker 2: economy around quickly enough and lambasting the idea of assets.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to hear what Chris con said about

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Speaker 2: God here?

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters calls his explanations creative accounting of the worst

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Speaker 3: and doesn't believe what he says OnSSET sales. Why should

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Speaker 3: New Zealanders.

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Speaker 4: Look I think it's a pretty petty line from this

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Speaker 4: member on economics.

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Speaker 3: Right, he's the guy that actually lit the fire. He's

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Speaker 3: the arsonist that put the economy on fire.

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Speaker 5: Now he's complaining.

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Speaker 3: About the fire brigade putting it out again as literacy

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Speaker 3: on anything economics as abysmal.

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Speaker 2: He's going to get that, and he's going to get

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Speaker 2: that all theme. And actually, what National is doing, I've

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Speaker 2: noticed is taking the criticisms by Winston Peters on the chin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably the anything you can do. Thanks very much,

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Speaker 1: Bary Soper, Senior Political Correspondence.

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